00:12:37.680In California, the Trump administration says the state owes the federal government more than a billion dollars for health care given to illegal immigrants.
00:12:46.800William Lajeunesse has a story from L.A.
00:12:49.700Well, Dana, there are two stories here, right?
00:12:51.600One is how rising costs have forced blue states to roll back health care for those without legal status.
00:12:57.860The other is the White House crackdown on eligibility.
00:13:01.420If states can't confirm those getting care are U.S. citizens, they have to pay the feds back.
00:13:08.140We are auditing aggressively, and we don't like what we see.
00:13:11.680In March, the Trump administration began auditing states that provide illegal immigrants with routine health care paid for by American taxpayers.
00:13:21.140Their findings, seven states and the District of Columbia owe nearly $1.4 billion for using federal, not state, money for immigrant care.
00:13:30.680Topping the list, California, followed by New York and Illinois.
00:13:38.040listen it was almost three of us represented but new jersey good for you you're probably fourth
00:13:46.680so marcella what the heck is happening i mean it's i hope they they have money to pay for it
00:13:55.960there's budget issues in california so basically what it means is that cms is really cracking down
00:14:01.800on them using Medicaid funds to pay for non-emergency for illegal immigrants.
00:14:11.960So they have a program where federal funds can be used only for emergency services for non-citizens.
00:14:22.040But they were using it for regular, allegedly, they were using it for regular services.
00:14:30.640So one of the things that came out is that, like he said, CMS preliminary audit identified California as the largest offender, but Illinois is Washington, Oregon, Colorado, D.C. with over $1 billion in question.
00:14:46.720Total across states was, so California was the $1 billion, but across states it's about $1.3 billion.
00:14:59.820jeez yeah it's quite a lot of fraud i think we can like you know maybe balance the budget
00:15:08.700with all this crack with the payback yeah so not after you pay back the government
00:15:13.900billion dollars well the crackdown is also for future uh items cms and hhs have increased
00:15:23.740oversight which does not allow further you know craziness with yeah but if the federal government
00:15:30.300was paying for it then they're not going to pay for it anymore so that would be budget neutral
00:15:34.220and then you got to find that billion dollars to pay back the federal government that you already
00:15:38.280paid out to people so seems like you've got a bigger budget hole to deal with so the billion
00:15:43.500has to go back into the tax coffer so to speak right yeah so oh boy oh boy i think this is great
00:15:53.240because they'll limit the fraud you know people are going to be afraid well i like how they want
00:15:57.640to try to worry about the future for all that they know is coming too so this is why i voted
00:16:04.040for trump finally oh and what do you want to say anything more about that that's pretty brutal
00:16:11.880i mean i think it's ridiculous it seems like california is by and far the worst offender
00:16:16.920um you know certainly illinois is number three on the list i'm not defending them at all but it's
00:16:21.320It's not nearly the magnitude of what we're seeing in California.
00:16:24.800So I think it's pretty incredible with the level of fraud and the amounts in places like
00:16:30.500Minnesota, but it seems like California may be the worst in the country for fraud, just
00:16:35.920based on all the stories we're seeing.
00:16:37.260Do you think this fraud being brought to light stemmed from Nick Shirley?
00:16:46.060I think he definitely played a role in it.
00:16:48.080And I know after he was done in Minnesota, he headed out to California, and then they found all these hospice centers and things that were going on.
00:16:54.840I think you could argue that the Medicaid to illegal immigrants, you know, I guess you could call it fraud.
00:17:02.780I don't know that it was necessarily fraud because it wasn't necessarily like it was a totally fake service in all cases.
00:17:09.800I mean, maybe it was in some cases that people were just faking it and submitting Medicaid claims that never were given to anybody.
00:17:15.320That would be fraud. But I think some of it might just be that California decided we're just going to give everybody eligibility when that's not really allowed by the law. And so, you know, it's breaking the law, but I don't know if I would necessarily call it fraud. But I think it does seem like even the hospice fraud and all the other kinds of fraud seem to be much bigger in California than anywhere else.
00:17:35.460yeah um so you have uh dr oz dr memet oz and uh jd vance i guess they're all like so dr oz is
00:17:47.700working on the medicaid fraud vance is working on fraud in general so all right i mean i like
00:17:54.500that because the only people working on fraud before were the fraudsters so this is this is a
00:18:00.000good turnabout um just to clarify yeah um this particular 1 billion that uh california would owe
00:18:07.920to the federal government is not fraud it's just they didn't follow the rules um but it wouldn't
00:18:14.780be fraud like owen said but the other thing is that they started this preliminary audit cms started
00:18:21.440it uh in the middle uh late to 2025 before the nick shirley stuff so it was an ongoing thing
00:18:29.200It's just, I think it was always ongoing, even under Biden. It's just nobody cracked down.
00:18:34.520Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just like, yeah. I like, you know, I want to say so many things,
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00:18:47.000I think one thing will lead to another, to another, it will have a snowball effect and,
00:18:52.000you know exposing it is good um all right so owen i want to toss over to you for uh one of your
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00:20:03.640Sure. So there's a story about an angry mom that defeated a data center.0.97
00:20:08.720This was in Wisconsin, and apparently she was an activist,
00:20:14.520um had did some organizing before relating to environmental things and multiple sclerosis and
00:20:21.640things like that but um she learned about this data center proposal that was 12 miles away from
00:20:27.160where she was living and didn't like that idea and decided to try and fight it she started some
00:20:31.760kind of facebook group to inform people about it and it got like 2 000 members within the first two
00:20:38.140days. And as of now, it's like 3,700 people. And she got a bunch of publicity. And then the
00:20:45.900facility got shut down. The place, I think it's a development firm, Cloverleaf, withdrew its plans.
00:20:53.120So they had a lack of support from local officials. So it seems like this woman made1.00
00:20:56.760a big difference and got rid of the AI data center that was planned for Wisconsin.0.99
00:21:01.180You know, it makes a difference. The pushback's uncomfortable for these people. And I know we
00:21:05.240have one scheduled to go in in Marlboro, New Jersey. So if anyone lives over there, I know
00:21:12.640they're making a big stink about it. Join in on the stink because look, this woman, you know,1.00
00:21:17.420because she just wouldn't give up, they gave up. So make a stink if you need to. Go ahead, Owen.1.00
00:21:23.120Sorry, I cut you off. No, I mean, and I think for people who might be interested in this or fighting
00:21:28.320it, I think a lot of it has to do with power costs in terms of the energy costs of these data
00:21:34.560centers that it might be borne out by the taxpayers or by the people using utility payers
00:21:39.960where it can certainly jack up the energy prices. And also there is a water concern in terms of how
00:21:48.500much water it's using. So depending on how much water supply you have in your area, that may be
00:21:53.160an issue as well. I think it's maybe less of an issue for people like me near Chicago because
00:21:56.800we've got this big lake right next to us of fresh water. But in many parts of the country,
00:22:00.740it's much more scarce and might be a bigger issue to say if they're using a bunch of the water that
00:22:05.380means they're taking it away from someone else um so you know i'm not necessarily anti-data center
00:22:11.620but i you know totally understand why someone might not want one in their backyard and well
00:22:16.260yeah let's not want to pay for it let's talk about that owen because i see people in the chat saying
00:22:20.580like you know why do you want to kill our future and whatever you have to understand you guys
00:22:24.740they're building these data centers basically on the edges of neighborhoods the noise the light
00:22:32.740pollution the noise pollution um and like owen said like draining of resources uh like the you
00:22:40.020know the one place they wanted to put it you know cuts off like a natural water flow you know like
00:22:45.860a stream that delivers water and well water and this and that like it's really it's really a
00:22:51.940a disruption. It's not like you're just putting in a building. You're creating this small city
00:22:57.840in one building is the way I'm seeing it and all of the pollution. So now these people live there.
00:23:03.340They're like, oh my God, they can't even go out in their backyard. So now there goes their real
00:23:09.760estate. They can't even sell and get out. They're not going to make any money. So they either live
00:23:15.520with it, they lose their money in their real estate. So it's a big disruptor. There's got to be
00:23:20.480a better way, a better place, a better design. I mean, people are creative. So if anyone's out
00:23:27.240there and they're like, wait, I want to come up with a better design. But Owen, don't you think
00:23:31.220that's the gist of what's happening? It's like where they're building them and then
00:23:34.260all the infrastructure problems they're causing. Yeah. I mean, the Trump administration has at
00:23:40.320least tried to get some agreement with these different data center providers or with the
00:23:44.100hyperscalers, the AI companies that they should provide their own power and not just
00:23:49.760take it from the people around and make everything more expensive. I'm not sure if that's
00:23:54.580always happening. So that's one question. I do think it makes sense that whoever is building
00:24:01.300or using the data center should be the ones bearing the brunt of the cost and not putting
00:24:05.320it on the people that live there. But I think there are all sorts of technological developments
00:24:11.120coming. I post stories on a regular basis. I think I posted at least one today about some new
00:24:16.160technology i think it was some kind of copper tubing or something for um heat exchange that
00:24:21.940would potentially reduce the energy cost by like 98 or something so there there are potential
00:24:27.220developments that might make it much less of an issue from an energy perspective and i personally
00:24:32.440don't put as much stock in the water issue just because people treat water when they talk about
00:24:38.500it like that like it's a one-time resource like as if the water goes away it's like no the water
00:24:44.320is recycled and it goes back into the environment and um but i do understand that you know if
00:24:50.620they're taking millions of gallons of clean water out of the treated water then that is a limited
00:24:56.280resource and you need to take that into account to say you can't just allocate a whole bunch of
00:25:00.840it to a new data center and not have any impact on what was happening before and again in many
00:25:06.540areas of the country they are having droughts they're having problems with water supply and so
00:25:11.180it's a much bigger issue and so you may need to just pick the right places to say where is there
00:25:15.400plenty of water like Chicago where you can say there's a big lake we can just pump more of it
00:25:20.500and it's not such a big deal and it's not going to raise the price a lot but I do think all these
00:25:25.580things should be taken into account and I think we should certainly be prioritizing whatever
00:25:29.360technological developments we can to make it energy efficient and to make it not impact people
00:25:34.360and to your point if there is noise or light pollution or other things then those should be
00:25:37.980taken into account as well, where you don't want to impact someone's lifestyle or joy of life
00:25:44.940just by putting this big data center right next to where they live.0.89
00:25:48.280And their real estate value too, that just sucks. It's like so many people are impacted by one of
00:25:53.140these buildings. And I'm not saying they're not important, but I feel like I always want to
00:25:57.940propose to our New Jersey politicians, whoever, that you have to stop tearing down forests and
00:26:06.620all this stuff to put new plazas in of all things or new condos. I feel like you should have to take
00:26:12.880a dilapidated place that has like one store open in the whole plaza. You have to take that place,
00:26:19.960knock it all down, rebuild, do something like that. So do that like with a data center,
00:26:23.920like somewhere that's already commercial property. Even if you have to make like
00:26:28.180two smaller ones instead of one giant one, then do that. But the way they're infringing just
00:26:34.760kind of stinks you know what you guys because like we complain about you know half the people
00:26:38.760complain about pollution the environment whatever um and then other people are like you know we want
00:26:45.880to go back to the old days like me um and be more nostalgic but yes like the world keeps moving
00:26:51.880forward but you know we can't just pollute everything because time's marching on you know
00:26:59.080we i think we just have to take a beat and i just think that there's really really really really
00:27:02.920smart people who could come up with a better way to do these data centers before they all
00:27:07.640get plopped in in places and then they'll never be taken out um i don't know i think we are going
00:27:13.400a little too fast personally marcella do you want to say anything about this well i i want more data
00:27:19.800centers i want data centers everywhere but i i think wisconsin that lady i wonder who was behind
00:27:26.920her a lot of these data center uh issues that you're talking about i feel like china would
00:27:33.000would benefit from us not building as many data centers but you know there are issues i give you
00:27:39.720that there's noise issues uh there is not all of them have the noise issue but there are some that
00:27:46.680do they're just businesses they're trying to do business in different places and every you know
00:27:53.720know it's local you know they get to decide whether they want it there or not but one of the
00:27:59.560things that they need is power and nuclear should be an option you know um that hasn't been open
00:28:06.880to them you know i maybe owen has more information on that but that it probably would be the solution
00:28:13.400to this water issue or you know how to power them yeah i mean again i i'm all for technological
00:28:20.960solutions wherever we can get that and reduce the energy impact reduce the water impact other
00:28:26.000things i think um some many of those things are possible and again i'm not against data centers
00:28:30.900i'm not like fighting for you know stopping all new data centers same partly i'm just reporting
00:28:35.960the news this is not just an isolated case like this is happening all over the country where
00:28:39.820people are fighting back against these data centers and i think it's something like 40 percent
00:28:43.900of them have been either delayed or canceled so this is a huge trend that people are fighting
00:28:47.940back against these things so even if you're pro data center you you should at least be aware that
00:28:53.380there's a lot of pushback being generated against these things and there are a lot of people that
00:28:58.660are fighting back and saying i don't want it in my neighborhood i don't want it in my state
00:29:01.920you know or i don't want it at all but um it is a big impact and it may be a factor in terms of even
00:29:07.880how much we can scale ai and how are how competitive we can be compared to other countries0.79
00:29:12.800because i doubt we have these same issues in china you know china just decides what they want0.96
00:29:17.640to do and they build a whole bunch of stuff and nobody gets the right to push back the way they
00:29:20.860can in the United States. Okay. Well, I'm looking at, you know, the, the comments are completely
00:29:27.600all mixed, which they should be, you know, they should be because everybody has different interests
00:29:31.900and different information. Um, and we all live in different parts of the country. And I, you know,
00:29:37.780I see some people have water issues. I have said, put them in all the public schools that need to
00:29:42.800be shut down. You know, I love it. I love it. I mean, there's areas in the United States that
00:29:51.580have no one in it, you know, and has water. So I don't know why they're trying to put it in
00:29:57.480certain areas where there's people or whatever, you know. And they don't Alcatraz. Put them in
00:30:02.260Alcatraz. And there's not many people, right, Owen, in a data center? Like there's not like
00:30:07.400employees, like two people in each one or something. Yeah. I mean, that may be one of
00:30:10.580the arguments about why they want it to be in a particular area. They want it to be near people
00:30:14.380so they can find people to work there. But I think I saw a metric recently that there was
00:30:18.360somewhere around $50 million of spending to generate one job
00:30:22.800in a data center. So it's a limited number of jobs.
00:30:27.060And now, again, that doesn't mean there's only one person in the data center, but it does mean
00:30:30.660it's not like this massive army of people. It's not like a factory where you have
00:30:34.020assembly lines full of people doing things. It's basically a pretty low
00:30:38.620touch from a human perspective. You set it up once and then it runs for a long time and you
00:30:43.460need a few people to swap out whatever breaks, but otherwise it pretty much operates 24 seven
00:30:47.640on its own. And so it's a relatively small impact from a jobs perspective relative to the amount of
00:30:53.040investment that you're making. Okay. Well, this is like a perfect little segue for me. So I'm
00:31:00.540doing a news story. No. So I, a lot of you that have known me for a while know that I was speaking
00:31:08.020of China, that this is like a very important issue to me. And I don't know how many people
00:31:13.000here know who Jimmy Lai is. You spell the last name L-A-I, Jimmy Lai. So I asked Chester to help
00:31:22.220me write up like the things I want you to understand about him. And then I want to play a
00:31:26.300clip. Okay. So this is Jimmy Lai. He was born in mainland China in 1947 and fled to Hong Kong as a
00:31:35.660stowaway at age 12, escaping poverty and political turmoil during the Mao era.
00:31:41.540He worked in factories, built a successful clothing business with the Giordano retail
00:31:47.400chain, and later founded Apple Daily, which is a newspaper, in 1995. The newspaper became
00:31:55.120widely known for investigative reporting and for criticizing corruption, abuses of power,
00:32:00.680and the growing influence of Beijing over Hong Kong while advocating for free speech and democratic
00:32:07.820freedoms. So what you need to know too. So if you don't understand, I mean, I did not know all this
00:32:14.760before I was invited to a private screening of the documentary about Jimmy Lai a couple of years ago.
00:32:20.560And I met some of his family and people who, you know, he was their mentor and people that
00:32:26.460are in the documentary. Um, but what, all right. So he says as China, all right. So as China's
00:32:32.120government increased its control over Hong Kong, uh, many residents believe Beijing was violating
00:32:38.060the original handover agreement. Um, I want to, I just want to tell you guys, let me just see if I
00:32:43.600have this here. Okay. So this is what I want you to know, cause this is what I did not know at
00:32:47.760first. Okay. So Hong Kong was controlled by great Britain for more than 150 years after the British
00:32:55.700took it from China during the opium wars. In 1997, Britain handed Hong Kong back to China
00:33:03.900under an agreement called One Country, Two Systems, which promised Hong Kong could keep its own courts,
00:33:12.200free press, open economy, and civil liberties for 50 years until 2047. The agreement was intended
00:33:20.900to preserve Hong Kong's freedoms while still making it part of China. So Hong Kong went from
00:33:28.120this old world, just kind of very, very poor area into almost like a Dubai. So they got these0.53
00:33:39.220freedoms. They turned into like a Dubai. I mean, I have family and friends. It was on my bucket0.56
00:33:43.340list to travel there gorgeous like whole like metropolitan amazingness so um so as china so
00:33:51.580then the last part as china's government increased its control over hong kong many residents believe
00:33:57.260beijing was violating the original handover agreement tensions escalated and in 2019
00:34:04.700over a proposed extradition law that would have allowed hong kong residents to be sent to mainland
00:34:10.460China for trial. Millions protested, viewing the law as a threat to Hong Kong's judicial
00:34:16.300independence and civil liberties. So China just started creeping back in. And these people were
00:34:23.460living in a freedom, almost like America. Whatever Britain had, they had. They had
00:34:29.600free speech to an extent. I mean, they did. And civil liberties and all that stuff. And so when
00:34:36.460Jimmy Lai started this paper in 95, he was just, he's telling the truth about everything, criticizing
00:34:43.320China, if he had to, whatever it was. So then China starts creeping back into Hong Kong. And
00:34:48.720now they're saying like, well, maybe we're going to take you from Hong Kong now and bring you to
00:34:52.740China and put you in our courts and see what we think about you. So I remember this during the
00:34:58.220pandemic that these uprisings started in Hong Kong and there was protests in the street and they were
00:35:04.200you know very brave very very brave to be in hong kong and say like f you to china you know
00:35:11.080we want to you know we're supposed to be here at least till 2047 that was the agreement so um
00:35:17.960anyway so jimmy lie openly supported the protest movement and after china imposed the national
00:35:24.360security law in 2020 apple daily his newspaper was forced to shut down and lie was arrested
00:35:31.320multiple times and he remains in prison today under the security law but it's so much worse i
00:35:37.320mean you guys i'm definitely going to ask you to please help me amplify this message because
00:35:45.160president trump is going to china he promised before he got elected so many people said to him
00:35:52.040please you have to get jimmy lie out of prison he's he's old now he has diabetes not only that
00:35:59.640they've had him in solitary confinement for five years like solitary confinement for five years
00:36:07.640he has a family he has a wife and if you ever cared about freedom or like somebody that you
00:36:15.320see that cares the most about democracy and freedom he is the poster man of this um what
00:36:23.320he risks so i want to play you a little clip um this clip is from his documentary it's just kind
00:36:29.800of edited together and uh let's talk about him on the other side i was one of the review guy
00:36:36.200who was very controversial who was very outspoken living in the truth is an effective tool against
00:36:45.160totalitarian power speaking truth to power is something that powerful dictatorships
00:36:52.760are terrified by and i think jimmy understood that that's why he started the paper that's why
00:36:58.600he kept it that's why he made it into essentially a part of the movement everybody was so chicken
00:37:06.040out so scared that they went into self-censorship to avoid offending the communists so many
00:37:16.840businessmen keep quiet because they have investments in China. So Hong Kong people
00:37:22.360always have a soft spot for a guy willing to speak out as Jimmy does.0.90
00:37:27.400It's almost certain that they would put me in jail.
00:37:30.920When he was arrested, he was shackled and perp-walked through his own offices.
00:37:35.240Anything I have is this place. This place is freedom. I owe freedom my life.
00:37:46.840This man is so amazing. You guys, I remember when I was invited to this documentary,
00:38:00.640I called Scott. I'm like, okay, I'm going to see this thing with these people. I'm like really
00:38:05.620excited. And then we talked about, he didn't know about Jimmy Lai at that point. And then after I
00:38:10.740was just like, Oh, like we have to do whatever we can. And it's just, it's amazing because if you
00:38:16.660go on to X or Google and you start to look him up, you will, a lot of people are really rooting for
00:38:22.640him. There's a lot of very big voices. Um, they asked president Trump about Jimmy lie, I think
00:38:28.520again, yesterday in the oval. Um, and you know, he said, I'll, you know, I'm going to look into
00:38:33.580it. Yeah. You know, he's a great guy. I'll look into it. I'll look into it, but I just don't feel
00:38:37.480like it's urgent enough. This man literally did nothing but stand up to communism and stand for
00:38:45.760truth and freedom. So I will also, maybe Sandy in the chat, you can help me, but there's an
00:38:52.920amazing documentary. It's free. It's on YouTube. It's called The Hong Kongers. And it's the story
00:38:58.360about what's going on with China and Jimmy Lai. And if you want to watch a great documentary,
00:39:03.260it's free and just click play on it. And, you know, it's really fascinating. So please help
00:39:08.760me amplify this message about Jimmy Lai. There's other journalists and reporters that were also
00:39:14.040imprisoned, but they wanted to really make an example out of him. So please help me help Jimmy
00:39:21.980Lai. And let's get a message to President Trump while he's negotiating for things. Get this man
00:39:28.060out of prison. It's disgusting at this point. All right. Thank you for your attention to this
00:39:32.240matter i was one of the refugees okay so that was that now i'm gonna move back over um i don't know
00:39:39.240if you guys want to say anything about him or just go on to the next story either way is fine
00:39:43.180just uh president trump release uh make chi release jimmy li you know that's what we want
00:39:52.560we want him to be released yeah and also possibly to leave that hong kong area i don't know
00:40:01.060because that's the thing is once he's released is this is are things going to change for him
00:40:06.260i don't know yeah he has a wife and kids and you know like you just saw bill mcgern on there from
00:40:12.520wall street journal uh is he wall street journal or the post i forgot but anyway i'm friends with
00:40:18.600him on x and a couple other people that were in his documentary and we're just like rooting and
00:40:24.940praying and whatever but when you see this documentary and i think some of you will watch
00:40:29.080it, I hope. You're going to just be so outraged that this injustice is happening. So please,
00:40:35.980thank you. This is like a personal plea from me to you. Owen, anything about this?
00:40:42.300I mean, I support what you're saying. And I don't know if I have much to add. I hope he is released.
00:40:47.560And I think it's a big injustice. And I'm hoping that the Hong Kong people can maintain their
00:40:52.620sovereignty as best they can. I think it's a tough situation given how big China is and how
00:40:57.000much influence they have and i'm not necessarily optimistic about that front but i you know i can
00:41:01.920certainly hope that things will get better for them yeah and you know what great britain like
00:41:07.560get it together you know like what are you doing all right so let's move on um marcella let's come
00:41:14.460to you with your next uh news update thanks you guys um a news update well like we were saying
00:41:23.300Trump is going to visit China. He said about Jimmy Lai, he's going to raise it to the Chinese
00:41:30.220leadership. But not only that, he's leaving today for the summit to meet Chinese President
00:41:36.620Xi Jinping. And sorry if I mispronounced that. Anybody in the chat?
00:53:50.960Not negative for that country and for us.
00:53:53.360So I agree and good and good riddance, I hope.
00:53:57.820Um, so to Marcella and Owen, I'm just throwing this out there because somebody mentioned it in
00:54:03.480the chat and yes, you guys. So the clock ran out for Fauci, right. For, uh, the statute of
00:54:10.980limitations for him to be charged, um, for all of his wrongdoings. And I'm not going to say
00:54:19.780allegedly because it's true. So, um, I don't know what, yeah, what does happen now? Do either of
00:54:27.220did either of you happen to read any of that i mean i i saw that like now people are going to be
00:54:32.100having like whistleblowers coming out and talking about things from behind the scenes
00:54:37.060you know great that's really courageous now that the time ran out but what do we think is going to
00:54:41.380happen next with uh with everything we know now about the vaccines and covet and the lying
00:54:48.420stella just took a header right on to me well i mean you hope something happens but i i feel like
00:54:55.780you know ran paul is all by himself like hopefully something does happen um and so this doesn't occur
00:55:03.060again i but can you prosecute him under that statute no um but you can make him come to
00:55:14.420to testify again and maybe he can lie again allegedly well somebody was saying and i've
00:55:20.580seen this also that you actually i forgot you can be um prosecuted for murder so if there are murder
00:55:29.060charges that's that's a workaround and i would say that that happened but yeah i mean you still have
00:55:34.900that pardon issue but then you have the auto pen uh capacity issues so then you'd have to bring
00:55:42.500biden and the democrats down from there to show that he had no capacity which i don't know if
00:55:48.420president trump is ready to do i mean i i did post a story today or yesterday about um how the
00:55:55.640doj is still considering starting a criminal investigation against fauci um there's of course
00:56:00.880potential for state offenses that are not you know covered by the federal pardons so it may be
00:56:05.920something that could be doing done at the state level um and i think there there is from a statute
00:56:11.420of limitations standpoint he could still be charged for lying to congress in 2024 because
00:56:16.000there, he said he didn't use his personal email for NIH business, which was a lie.
00:56:20.800So there's still some potential that he could be prosecuted, but I'm not really hopeful.
00:56:26.580And I think the pardon thing might be one of the factors that, you know, I mean, I do
00:56:33.060think we probably should test it and see if we can get it done.
00:56:36.000But it could be something that some people don't want to test because they don't want
00:56:40.700to necessarily open the door to saying, you know, now we have legitimacy tests for pardons
00:56:44.940Or on the other side, they could say we don't want, you know, to potentially open the door for all sorts of other pardons to be questioned in the future.
00:56:52.780So I unfortunately don't think it's going to happen, but I would certainly like to see it happen.