Real Coffee with Scott Adams - The Scott Adams School - 05⧸21⧸26 GAD SAAD! Suicidal Empathy #1 on the NY Times Best Seller list

00:00:00.000 guys can you see him yet oh we're live good morning everyone hi everybody

00:00:06.060 dr gad sad can i call you gad please okay i love this image of you because this is

00:00:14.080 the background and the face i've been listening to for so many years and to be talking to you is

00:00:20.360 such a dream i have so much to say but i'm gonna try to rein some of it in but you guys are we so

00:00:27.420 excited. Hooray. Yeah. Do people call you Dr. Sad? It sounds like a Marvel comic villain.

00:00:33.520 Oh, I insist that my wife calls me Dr. Sad in the bedroom.

00:00:40.660 Oh, she is a good sport. Oh my gosh, you guys, welcome in. It is May 21st,

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00:02:07.720 house so gad first of all he just mentioned the new york times might i mention the new york times

00:02:16.220 as well? Do it. Okay. Well, congratulations. You are a number one New York Times bestseller

00:02:26.580 for suicidal empathy. Congratulations. I have a little clip. Hang on.

00:02:32.040 So much. Hold on. I'm going to put you on speaker. One sec. Go.

00:02:41.580 Hey, this is Eric. Am I speaking to number one New York Times bestseller?

00:02:46.220 oh my god yes

00:02:51.800 oh my gosh that is so fun i love that joy how did that feel you know it's it i told my wife after i

00:03:06.300 said i never let out such a heartfelt visceral scream of complete existential happiness it was

00:03:15.100 really it was such a wonderful feeling a truly episodic memory in my life's trajectory it was

00:03:21.300 beautiful oh i'm so happy that you caught it on video and that we got to see i can only imagine

00:03:26.640 that that's the dream right you write this book and it's your your blood sweat and tears and then

00:03:31.140 this is the result exactly actually so i had texted uh my you know my harper collins team

00:03:38.120 because they say that we're going to contact you between 4 to 6 p.m.

00:03:44.700 And we don't know exactly when it will happen.

00:03:47.560 It depends when the New York Times emails us and communicates with us.

00:03:52.620 And so I was on the stationary bike outside.

00:03:57.460 That's why I was in my gym clothes.

00:03:59.480 And so I texted him.

00:04:00.500 I said, before you call me, text me to let me know

00:04:05.220 so that my family can actually record the moments.

00:04:09.200 I was so happy to have thought of that

00:04:10.820 because we would have lost that moment.

00:04:12.880 But now it is recorded in the annals of my life.

00:04:17.320 Well, the chat is congratulating you.

00:04:20.000 They are thrilled for you as we are.

00:04:21.880 Owen and I are really,

00:04:23.100 we're both almost done with your book, I Love It.

00:04:26.620 Thank you.

00:04:27.200 It's the exact topic I really wanted.

00:04:30.420 and um and by the way for if anyone's never read um any of gad's books they're amazing and

00:04:38.900 what you need to know is he's really funny and he's got a really funny dry sarcastic sense of

00:04:45.120 humor i hope you don't mind that description but i find myself laughing out loud all the time

00:04:49.980 because you just like sneak in these little dry one-liners and i love it it keeps us paying

00:04:55.720 attention you know it's it's it's thank you for saying that uh i often tell people that when

00:05:01.740 people approach me on the street probably the number one you know fan statement i get i mean

00:05:10.840 yes there's all the professorial stuff and the fancy intellectual stuff but they say you are the

00:05:16.200 funniest guy we've ever met and that really actually means a lot to me because i'm in the

00:05:21.560 business of trying to persuade people about a set of ideas. So depending on whom I'm speaking

00:05:29.820 with, I will alter my modality. So sometimes you have to be professorial, sometimes you have to be

00:05:37.580 sarcastic, all possible weaponry I'm willing to use if I can get to persuade you.

00:05:44.540 Absolutely. It's a great, it's a great hook for people that are worried. And I mean, like with a

00:05:49.780 title scholar declaration of independence center for the study you're not expecting humor for the

00:05:57.340 study of american freedom oh sorry for the study of american freedom hello oh my gosh right so i'm

00:06:03.200 like okay i don't know what that means but it's important well and i i don't know how much you

00:06:08.740 followed or knew scott adams but he was very into persuasion and hypnosis and even in his writing

00:06:14.440 he he made extensive use of that and um so i'd be interested to know like how do you go about

00:06:21.120 trying to make your writing persuasive so i think it's first i never had the pleasure of

00:06:27.080 meeting scott of course i was familiar with some of his his work and i knew of him but we never

00:06:32.620 actually interacted with one another regrettably uh look i think good writing is

00:06:40.760 good storytelling, right? So academic writing should be a form of storytelling, right? So

00:06:49.040 what I try to do in my books, certainly in my trade books, meaning the books meant for the

00:06:53.760 general public, is I try to mix and strike a balance between academic writing where everything

00:07:02.000 is very referenced. I'm using psychological theories, psychiatric theories, evolutionary

00:07:07.640 psychology, history, political science, but I always try to infuse it with personal narratives

00:07:15.320 because those are the sticky parts that people can remember, right? I could talk to you about

00:07:20.440 the dangers of parasitic taxation as I do in chapter seven of Suicide Empathy, but if I then

00:07:28.020 tell you how parasitic taxation affected me personally, now it really hooks you. So it really

00:07:36.200 is a fine balance that you have to try to achieve in threading that needle oh you do it so so well

00:07:44.480 the the reason oh and by the way um i don't want to forget you're moving to america to the u.s right

00:07:51.560 i am i am so this past year i was a visiting scholar at the forgive me for saying it again

00:07:59.420 but it's always nice yes i love it so this year i'm a i'm a scholar at the declaration of

00:08:05.240 Independence Center for the Study of American Freedom at Ole Miss. Starting next year,

00:08:12.000 the SADs will be coming over to America, where I'll be the distinguished professor of said center.

00:08:19.760 I mean, that's so much more intimidating. I'm nervous now. I'm nervous.

00:08:25.500 And to my earlier point, I will expect my wife in the bedroom to say,

00:08:30.880 hello, Hare Distinguished Professor.

00:08:33.820 Oh, yeah.

00:08:34.980 Yeah, good luck with that.

00:08:35.980 Let us know how that goes, that conversation.

00:08:38.540 We'll be curious.

00:08:39.260 What motivated the move?

00:08:41.340 Is it mostly because of what was happening in Canada

00:08:43.700 that you wanted to leave,

00:08:44.640 or was it more just about the position that you got?

00:08:47.360 It's a bit of both.

00:08:48.660 So number one, while,

00:08:51.580 and I don't say this just to be courteous

00:08:53.900 to my longstanding university.

00:08:57.460 I really mean it that while Concordia

00:09:00.420 you know has been a wonderful place i spent you know 32 years there i became a professor in 1994

00:09:06.180 uh there you know there's sort of an end to every story uh old miss was offering me very little

00:09:14.340 teaching where i could spend most of my time writing uh my values are much more aligned with

00:09:21.280 american freedoms i tell people that i'm american in spirit that that's that's not a slight on

00:09:26.360 Canada, but you know, Canada is much more of a socialist country. It's much more of a suicidally

00:09:32.000 empathetic country. So while there are many features of Canada that I loved, I didn't like

00:09:36.540 the taxation. I didn't like the big welfare state. I didn't like the whack-a-mole of the tall poppy

00:09:43.300 syndrome. Every time somebody tries to stand out from the rest of the people, then there's somebody

00:09:49.200 who's whacking you down, whether it be your institution or the government, because we should

00:09:53.400 all be equal. It's unfair that Gadsad writes best-selling books and makes a lot of, you know,

00:09:59.900 gets a lot of attention for that. Let's steal everything from him and give it, you know, to

00:10:05.080 Gazan refugees who will be out to kill Gadsad. So let's use Gadsad's book royalties to then bring 1.00

00:10:12.920 in people who wish to kill Gadsad. So I didn't like that. I didn't, frankly, I never acclimatized

00:10:18.960 to the weather, even though we came to Canada in the 1970s. So you'd think that I might have

00:10:23.940 moved to it. From Lebanon, right? From Lebanon. I'm Mediterranean. Southern California is the

00:10:31.720 type of environment that my genes are prepared to withstand. And so for all of these varied reasons,

00:10:38.520 I think it was the right time. And then here comes Ole Miss. They offer me this dream position

00:10:43.840 where I could spend all my day talking about freedom, teaching about freedom.

00:10:48.260 So it was a no-brainer.

00:10:49.900 That is amazing.

00:10:51.040 Yeah, I was going to say, I remember just watching you through the plandemic 1.00

00:10:53.920 and just how everything was so crazy. 0.95

00:10:56.860 And I would watch you and Viva.

00:11:00.760 I forget which other Canadians are up there, but I'm like, oh my God,

00:11:04.240 what is happening up there?

00:11:06.600 And just terrible.

00:11:08.400 And even also what, I'm not mad at Canada personally,

00:11:12.700 but you know, even what you see happening with Jordan Peterson and you know, it's, it's crazy.

00:11:17.860 Like you used to think Canada was so simple and like they never bothered anybody and you never

00:11:22.040 even really thought about Canada, which is kind of a good place to be. But now it's just amazing

00:11:27.640 what's going on in Canada. We talk about it a lot on the show, but you said, you said the magic

00:11:32.920 word, suicidal empathy. Um, one of the reasons I was so excited about this book in particular,

00:11:40.240 I was trying to think back, you know, my first feeling of this suicidal empathy and seeing it

00:11:48.320 everywhere was immediately after 9-11 here. I live on the Jersey shore. I can see New York

00:11:55.600 right here across the water. And the smoke came over my house for two weeks and we lost lots of

00:12:02.060 friends and people we knew and it unbelievable. Um, so, and then immediately I was being told,

00:12:09.660 you can't not like the people like, you know, who are doing this. Like you can't,

00:12:15.060 you can't lump everybody in together. You can't say all. And I'm like, well, I'm not,

00:12:18.940 I'm not saying all of anybody's bad, but don't tell me I can't be upset with the people that

00:12:23.920 did this or say something about it. And then I started to learn more about how this particular

00:12:29.900 group of people I'm just like not naming names in general because you know whatever you want to

00:12:33.520 think but this particular group of people have a you know a lifelong plan to take over the world

00:12:41.380 and you know it's a as Scott would call it a slow moving disaster he used to say don't worry it's a

00:12:47.520 slow moving disaster and when we can see it we're really good as Americans in adjusting and you know

00:12:53.920 pivoting and whatever but I feel like this suicidal empathy which you can explain in one second

00:12:59.540 has created Ilhan Omar and, well, I mean, the names go on and on. So they've now planted

00:13:07.160 themselves all over the country in positions of power and people are still like, no, no, no,

00:13:13.180 you can't say anything bad about these people. So could you explain, a lot of people were a

00:13:18.700 little confused with the title. It's not quite about suicide, although it is, but if you could

00:13:23.740 explain what it means. Right. Wonderful. And so I'll explain what suicidal empathy is and then

00:13:28.820 I could link it to some of the issues that you just raised. So empathy is a wonderful virtue to

00:13:36.320 possess. We are a social species. As a social species, it makes sense for us to have the

00:13:43.120 social lubricant of empathy, because for you and I to have a meaningful conversation,

00:13:48.360 I need to put myself in your mind and vice versa. That's called theory of mind or cognitive empathy.

00:13:54.840 so the book is certainly not as many of the hit pieces that are starting to come out on me

00:14:00.560 it's not an attack on empathy per se as a matter of fact as an evolutionary psychologist

00:14:06.040 i fully recognize that empathy is an evolved evolutionary based trait so empathy is great but

00:14:15.580 like aristotle explained to us several thousand years ago in his nicomachean ethics when he talked

00:14:22.800 about the golden mean. Too little of something is not good. Too much of something is not good.

00:14:28.300 And much of life is about finding that sweet spot. In his case, he was talking about courage. So if

00:14:34.440 a soldier is not in the least bit courageous, if he's cowardly, that's a bad thing. If the soldier

00:14:40.120 is so courageous that he starts engaging in reckless behavior, then he's going to quickly die.

00:14:46.520 the optimal level of courage is some intermediate point. Well, I argue that that exact same principle

00:14:53.100 applies to empathy. Too little or no empathy could be that you're a psychopath. That's what 0.90

00:15:00.540 typically psychopaths exhibit, little to no empathy. Too much empathy, when it hyper activates,

00:15:07.440 when it hyper fires in the wrong situations, targeting the wrong, inappropriate targets of

00:15:15.760 your empathy, you have the perfect cocktail for suicidal empathy. Now, why do I use the term

00:15:20.720 suicide? And here I'm going to draw a historical and cross-cultural comparison with Japanese

00:15:27.760 society. So in the samurai culture of Japanese society, where it's very much based on honor

00:15:36.180 and shame, where you never want to lose face, if a samurai were to engage in an action that brought

00:15:42.880 him or his group, shame, the only way to seek redemption and penance was to commit seppuku,

00:15:52.720 which is self-disembowelment, right? That's the only means by which I could regain lost face. 0.81

00:15:59.780 Well, I argue that the West is committing civilizational seppuku,

00:16:05.280 civilizational suicide by dysregulated empathy.

00:16:09.740 wow oh and did you want to i know you had a question in there well yeah i mean i think um

00:16:16.940 i as i've been reading through your book you point out that like liberals seem to be more

00:16:21.120 susceptible to this idea or this you know disorder whatever you want to call it um than

00:16:27.580 conservatives and that i think you also point out that women are more susceptible to this than men

00:16:33.440 and and my question about that is really just like why why are they more susceptible to it

00:16:38.860 is it that they're blind to it like they just don't see what's going on because that at least

00:16:44.060 in my personal experience that's kind of what i see where like at one point i i was talking to a

00:16:50.200 woman that was in a job search and i was pointing out this was maybe five or so years ago i was

00:16:55.580 like oh have you seen any of this dei stuff come up where they're asking you to either like make

00:16:59.580 a dei statement or do this other stuff which is right right in line with your suicidal empathy

00:17:03.820 the idea and at first she was like oh no i don't see any of that that's not happening and i'm like

00:17:08.900 no it really is happening and and i provided some evidence and then you know and i and i even put

00:17:14.960 it out i'm like you have you know white male sons aren't you concerned that they're going to be

00:17:20.080 basically discriminated against and eventually her response was well we did discriminate against

00:17:24.280 black people so we should be doing that and i just i couldn't fathom how a mother would not

00:17:30.580 have the instinct to protect her own sons from discrimination yeah i mean that's that's a great

00:17:37.860 example but as depending on where you are currently in your reading of the book i've got many more

00:17:43.500 hallucinatory examples than the one you provided let me share a few just to to to amass a collection

00:17:51.680 of such stories a a norwegian man and indigenous in the sense that he's a white norwegian right not

00:17:59.640 a Somali Norwegian, right? So a Norwegian man is sodomized by a Somali immigrant. Now, because 0.90

00:18:06.980 the Scandinavians are very, very kind and much more enlightened than us, they don't believe in

00:18:12.360 long prison sentences. So after he served a few years in prison, he was going to be deported back

00:18:19.780 to Mogadishu. The guy that was raped by the Somali sodomizer felt a complete existential 0.66

00:18:29.440 angst and guilt because if he were to be deported, he wouldn't be able to maximally flourish to his 0.83

00:18:37.120 full potential in Mogadishu. Well, I'm here as your resident evolutionary psychologist to tell

00:18:43.160 you that our emotional system did not evolve to empathize with our sodomizers. So that's one. 0.99

00:18:51.600 Let me give you a few others since, you know, as I said, storytelling is a good way to

00:18:57.180 demonstrate a phenomenon. A woman is gang raped in Germany by a bunch of men who are speaking

00:19:06.500 Arabic and Farsi. When the police comes to interview her to get a better sense of who

00:19:13.380 the perpetrators are, she lies and says that they're speaking in German because she's incredibly

00:19:20.040 worried that if she tells the truth, which is that it was Arabic guys and Iranian guys who were 0.61

00:19:26.900 raping her, then that might marginalize noble Middle Eastern men. Story three, and then I'll 0.72

00:19:33.880 cede the floor back to you a very enlightened super progressive to your point white liberal 1.00

00:19:41.780 woman who wanted to squash the antiquated stereotype that black men ever commit any

00:19:50.760 violence because there is no there is absolutely zero epidemiological evidence that any black man

00:19:57.740 has ever committed any violence. So she decided to go to Haiti to demonstrate that, you know,

00:20:04.940 in Port-au-Prince, in the Haitian capital, it's just everybody's in love and walks around singing

00:20:10.940 John Lennon songs. Well, she was sort of slapped by reality when a Haitian man took her to the

00:20:17.540 rooftop and raped her violently all night. And she was surprised that he would continue with his rape 0.98

00:20:24.480 when she told him that she herself was a BLM supporter and a Malcolm X scholar that didn't 0.98

00:20:32.300 stop him from raping her. But then she concluded at the end of the rape, when she wrote her essay 0.91

00:20:39.100 post-rape, that she was very thankful for the experience because his rape demonstrated how 0.94

00:20:48.780 evil white supremacy had forced him in taking out his rage on her. So when a Haitian man 0.98

00:20:57.900 rapes a white woman in Port-au-Prince, Haiti, it goes back to the white supremacy of the United 0.98

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00:21:44.760 You guys, it's real. This is real. So I know somebody asked, I think Andy asked,

00:22:02.520 so how does this start? How does suicidal empathy start? And then I'll go with my next question.

00:22:08.560 Yeah, great question.

00:22:09.540 So it's a one-two punch of my earlier book, my 2020 book, The Parasitic Mind, and then

00:22:16.960 Suicidal Empathy.

00:22:17.740 And let me explain why it's a one-two punch.

00:22:20.120 We are both a thinking and feeling animal, right?

00:22:23.300 Our cognitive system is important, but also we have an emotional system. 0.94

00:22:27.900 So this idea that it's reason versus emotion, one or the other, is silly.

00:22:32.760 We've evolved both systems to help us navigate through the world.

00:22:36.380 Now, if I wish to completely hijack your ability to engage in critical thinking, I have to do two things.

00:22:44.020 I have to parasitize your cognitive system. 0.99

00:22:47.400 That was the parasitic mind. 0.99

00:22:49.140 But then I also have to parasitize your affective system, your emotional system, hence the suicidal empathy. 0.89

00:22:56.020 Okay, but that all sounds a bit professorial and abstract.

00:22:59.140 So let me give you a concrete example.

00:23:01.340 cultural relativism is a parasitic idea that i discuss in the parasitic mind cultural relativism

00:23:09.440 purports that it is wrong to ever judge other cultural beliefs and practices that would make

00:23:16.280 you racist that would make you a cultural colonizer so if another society wishes to engage in female 0.96

00:23:25.320 genital mutilation of five-year-old girls shut up racist if they wish to engage in child brides 1.00

00:23:31.120 shut up racist. If they wish to engage in honor killings, shut up racist. So cultural relativism 1.00

00:23:37.720 renders you impotent to make such judgments. And now you see how that parasitic idea is going to

00:23:45.240 lead to suicidal empathy. So now if I am an immigration policymaker, I've already been

00:23:52.060 infected with cultural relativism as a parasitic idea, then I don't wish to say, hey, wait a minute,

00:23:59.300 Not all incoming immigrants are equally congruent with our values, because that would be racist, as I learned through my indoctrination of cultural relativism. Therefore, come on in, everybody. All immigrants are equally likely to assimilate within the American experience.

00:24:19.320 So my internalizing and being parasitized by cultural relativism led to my open border,

00:24:27.560 suicidally empathetic position.

00:24:29.820 So the next book title could be Sticks and Stones May Break My Bones,

00:24:33.760 But Names Will Never Hurt Me.

00:24:35.080 And it's so crazy to me how people are so brainwashed into not wanting to be called a name.

00:24:41.880 It's none of your business what other people call you if you know who you are, is my theory.

00:24:46.340 So, you know, if I'm not running around trying to be hurtful and racist or whatever is or ism there is, and I'm just speaking from what I see without blinders or being brainwashed, you know, I don't really care what you call me because shutting our mouths is creating what we're seeing around us now and it's not good.

00:25:08.640 And, you know, so I, I feel like, you know, is, is it, what do we need to do?

00:25:14.440 What do we need to do as a culture and how do people become unafraid to speak?

00:25:20.460 And, you know, it, their lives really depend on it.

00:25:23.460 Our future, your kids' futures, your grandkids, there's not the, the America that we grew

00:25:29.300 up in is not going to be here.

00:25:31.000 And it's not a slow moving disaster anymore.

00:25:34.200 As Scott would say, it, the, the train has left the station and it is barreling.

00:25:38.000 So what do we do, Ged? I don't know what to do.

00:25:41.620 Yeah, perfect setup for my response. Thank you for that.

00:25:46.520 In the last chapter of the parasitic mind, I have a call to action.

00:25:52.520 But the one that I think resonated most with people, again, part of sort of my using a particular type of powerful phraseology, is I said, activate your inner honey badger.

00:26:06.540 And the reason why I specifically chose the honey badger, because of all animals that exist, the honey badger has been ranked officially by animal behaviorists and zoologists as the fiercest, most ferocious of all animals.

00:26:24.840 Now, for those of you who don't know, the honey badger, the African honey badger, is the size of a small to medium-sized dog.

00:26:34.460 But if it comes across a bunch of adult lions, the adult lions go, I'm sorry, sir, I didn't mean to interfere with your day.

00:26:45.880 Let us cross to the other side of the African savanna so that we don't disturb you, sir.

00:26:50.880 Now, how could it be that such an animal could, you know, elicit such respect from so many different supposedly ferocious animals?

00:27:00.280 Well, because it walks very tall, right?

00:27:04.060 So it may be small, but it's the tallest, biggest, baddest of all animals.

00:27:09.440 So when I tell people activate your inner honey badger, I'm not imploring them to be violent or physically violent.

00:27:17.000 I'm saying stand tall and defend your principles.

00:27:19.960 The reason why, you know, hashtag men too can menstruate, hashtag men too can bear children, the reason why this astonishing departure from reality could flourish so that today we have debates as to what constitutes male or female,

00:27:41.460 when until 15 minutes ago, the 117 billion people that had existed on Earth, that's an actual real

00:27:49.500 estimate, they seem to know perfectly well how to navigate the very difficult conundrum of what

00:27:55.940 constitutes male or female. But 15 minutes ago, after I took my progressive biology course at

00:28:02.020 Oberlin College, I lost that ability. But our ancestors knew exactly with whom to couple,

00:28:08.020 to reproduce, but we no longer had that. Well, the reason why you were able to be so parasitized by

00:28:14.260 that is because most people, because they suffer from pathological cowardice and pathological

00:28:22.320 apathy, just nodded their head to be nice and get along and said, yeah, yeah, of course, men too can

00:28:29.140 menstruate. So activate your inner honey badger means don't be a coward. Now that doesn't mean 0.95

00:28:35.780 you have to be impolite. That doesn't mean you have to be unkind. But your professor says something

00:28:40.600 insane, raise your hand and challenge them. You're at the bar and your friend says something that's

00:28:46.800 insane, politely challenge them. Look, I just had a very intense three hour or however long it was

00:28:54.080 appearance on Joe Rogan's show where, you know, Joe and I go back many years. We're very good

00:29:01.640 friends. We were talking about a very difficult subject, about Israel and so on. And a lot of

00:29:08.920 issues were raised. And yet, we had the difficult conversation, and then we hugged it out at the

00:29:15.300 end. So you don't have to be disagreeable to have difficult conversations. Don't be a coward.

00:29:21.560 Yes. And also, you know, so I've been put into situations where, you know, somebody's like,

00:29:28.720 oh, so-and-so is no longer a woman. Now she's a man. And I'm like, listen, whatever. But I don't

00:29:37.860 want to play the game. So I'm going to stay in reality and you guys can bend over backwards to

00:29:44.600 accommodate this person's issue. I'll be polite, but I'm not going to call her a he. I'm not going

00:29:51.580 to pretend she's a male. I'll do my best to not have anything happen. But I think what we should

00:29:59.080 know is that just because somebody else is delusional doesn't mean you have to play that

00:30:04.240 game. That would make you delusional. So I remember before my father died, I was trying

00:30:10.160 to explain to him this pronoun thing. My father was, I mean, you don't even have to be very

00:30:15.800 intelligent, but he was a very intelligent man. And I was like, well, dad, no, that person says

00:30:21.520 there are they he's like what do you mean and i'm like i can't i can't do this to you i can't i don't

00:30:26.260 even want to explain it to you it is so stupid and i just i just never because i'm a normal

00:30:32.400 thinking person could never go along with any of this stuff and i'm glad to see that you know 0.96

00:30:38.380 most people that were you know falling that way were like well wait you know and they came back

00:30:43.800 to center thank god um owen i'm sure you have a hundred questions i i could talk well i i kind of

00:30:49.500 want to return to what i was asking about before like you know one of the things scott would 0.98

00:30:52.700 sometimes say when someone was saying something insane was you know are they stupid lying or 0.99

00:30:56.840 brainwashed and i i kind of have that question about the suicidal empathy like do you think 1.00

00:31:01.680 this is an intentional thing that people are trying to brainwash people to destroy our country

00:31:06.580 or do you think it's just rooted more in the evolutionary psychology where um you know people

00:31:14.080 are just like valuing the social, you know, the, the social approval aspect over all the other

00:31:22.000 things to the point of pathology or, or are they even aware of it? I like, do they, are they

00:31:28.020 thinking this is really what the truth is or do they know that they're lying? Like, what do you

00:31:32.940 think about that? Yeah. So it's a bit of both and, but a lot more of the parasitic infestation.

00:31:41.180 that's not willful but let me explain both so for example if you are the muslim brotherhood 0.99

00:31:47.200 then it is a willful attempt to you know hijack your capacity to think right the muslim brotherhood 0.68

00:31:55.420 among many other islamic groups so that kind of goes to your earlier uh question when you talk

00:32:00.840 about ilhan omar and so on uh the muslim brotherhood said we're going to conquer the west

00:32:05.680 by three means. By the womb of our women, right? We produce more than you, right? Demography is

00:32:14.420 destiny. Number two, by hijra. Hijra is the Arabic word for immigration. How wonderful it is that 1.00

00:32:22.080 then the West adopts an open border policy. Thank you, West. And then number three, by using your

00:32:28.540 miserable freedoms against you. So then in that case, that's the willful part that you're talking

00:32:34.760 about a nefarious group that understands that there is a frailty in the architecture of the

00:32:41.500 human mind certainly of the western mind and then they use that but the more general reason why

00:32:47.960 people can be parasitized is actually because of a fundamental frailty in the architecture of the

00:32:55.160 human mind and let me explain what i mean by that so in the old days 300 years ago in various areas 0.84

00:33:03.060 all over the world but certainly let's say in the northeast this was a very good way to organize 1.00

00:33:08.720 the neighborhood if you thought that linda was a potential witch let's grab her and throw her 0.99

00:33:14.540 into water and if she ends up uh drowning oops i guess she wasn't a witch but if she does uh if

00:33:23.000 she does swim then that proves that she is a witch but then that parasitic idea we were able to

00:33:30.580 vanquish it and defeat it but then new parasitic ideas came up so the the uniqueness of the current

00:33:38.020 reality that we're facing is that there's a bunch of parasitic ideas that were spawned on university 0.95

00:33:44.440 campuses because it really takes intellectuals to come up with some of the dumbest ideas 0.64

00:33:51.040 and these ideas once they converge to a tipping point led to the destruction of the edifices of 0.96

00:34:00.160 reality, right? So, and now let me explain why I use the parasitic framework to understand

00:34:08.220 how people could be so removed from reality. The field of parasitology is the study of host

00:34:15.360 parasite interactions. So, for example, a tapeworm is a parasite, but that ends up in your intestinal

00:34:22.860 tract. On the other hand, a neuroparasite, which is a subfield of parasitology, is when the

00:34:30.000 parasites that infect infest you have to end up in your brain altering your neuronal circuitry

00:34:39.220 to suit their interests and the classic example I give but there are many many others

00:34:43.800 a wood cricket abhors water right it wants nothing to do with water but when it is parasitized by a

00:34:52.060 hair worm, the hair worm needs the wood cricket to jump into water, merrily commit suicide,

00:35:00.680 hence suicidal empathy, because the hair worm can only complete its reproductive cycle in water.

00:35:07.620 So once that hair worm has parasitized the hapless wood cricket's brain, it is now just

00:35:15.720 a vehicle for the best interest of the neuro parasite so now let me link that specifically

00:35:23.120 to a human context and i actually verbatim you know uh covered that uh conversation in in the

00:35:31.520 in uh suicidal empathy so there's a street uh interviewer you know these are the guys that go

00:35:36.980 into the street and intercept somebody he is interviewing he intercepts a woman i think it

00:35:42.200 was in manchester england at a free free palestine free gaza stuff and he says oh you're here for free

00:35:49.860 free palestine she goes yes yes you know palestine palestine she's british she's got nothing to do 0.75

00:35:54.340 with palestine yeah yeah yeah keffia right and he says oh do you know what they do to you know gay 0.75

00:36:01.780 people in in gaza she goes i do i'm queer myself he goes oh you're queer but you support gaza do 0.61

00:36:10.120 you know what they would do to you in Gaza? She goes, yes. What do you mean? They would kill you. 0.59

00:36:15.640 She goes, yes. He goes, but you still support them? She goes, absolutely. Just because they 0.97

00:36:21.080 would kill me doesn't mean that they shouldn't be deserving of my support. There's your wood

00:36:26.340 cricket, right? So that person is not somebody who is at the World Economic Forum meeting at Davos

00:36:35.640 right well she has been infected by an ideological neuroparasite so to conclude yes there is in some

00:36:45.460 cases willful manipulation of the human mind but in most cases it's parasitic ideas that lead to

00:36:53.100 suicidal empathy oh my gosh you know scott would often tell us that when he was young he thought

00:37:00.220 um like when he was a kid he thought people were maybe 90 rational and 10 irrational and then when

00:37:06.720 he was training hypnosis he learned that it's the opposite we're 90 irrational and 10 rational and

00:37:12.820 and i think he's also told us that emotions are much stronger than any kind of rational argument

00:37:19.000 in terms of persuasion so it seems if you're you know if your argument is that the parasitic mind

00:37:24.200 was more about the critical thinking but the suicidal empathy idea is more about emotions

00:37:29.220 that the suicidal empathy might be much more powerful of the two and that's why that's why

00:37:36.080 forgive me for interrupting you it's very rude of me that's why it's a instant number one new

00:37:40.960 york times bestseller to your point yeah and and i i guess my question is like if if we're trying

00:37:48.300 to persuade you know a liberal or somebody who's been infected are are there emotional arguments

00:37:54.360 that you would suggest using to try and use that same technique to counter it?

00:37:59.820 There are, albeit, again, it's a false dichotomy to draw a distinction between reason and emotion.

00:38:08.780 Both of these systems have evolutionarily rational signatures.

00:38:13.920 The problem arises when you invoke the wrong system in the wrong occasion, right?

00:38:19.600 If I'm cutting through a dark alley because it'll save me 20 minutes of walking to get home, and I notice that there are a bunch of young men loitering in that dark alley, I will have an affective response, right? An emotional response. My heartbeat will go up. I might start perspiring. My breathing will become more shallow. My blood pressure will go up.

00:38:43.480 All of these are autonomic, affective, emotional responses that make perfect evolutionary sense.

00:38:50.880 If I were trying to do well on a calculus exam, I shouldn't be invoking my affective system.

00:38:57.100 I should be invoking my cognitive system.

00:38:59.360 So these are not, you know, systems intention.

00:39:04.920 The challenge in life is to invoke the right one in the right situation.

00:39:08.120 But to answer your question more directly, the way that I would try to convince the person who is suffering from suicidal empathy would be to actually give them examples that demonstrate how their empathy calculus is now broken.

00:39:26.320 So let me give you one such analogy.

00:39:29.060 In experimental philosophy, there is the classic trolley problem.

00:39:32.960 The trolley problem is where you're trying to test people's ability to engage in trade-off

00:39:39.460 calculations, right? So here's an example of a trolley problem. The trolley is barreling down

00:39:46.400 towards three of your biological children. Now, you can pull a lever, and if the lever is pulled,

00:39:54.620 it diverts the trolley to hit five random strangers. Now, you can see the tension here,

00:40:01.680 Right. Five is a bigger number than three. So if the calculus was simply do that, which minimizes, you know, the number of people dead, then everybody would build the trolley.

00:40:15.140 But if you recognize that we've evolved an evolutionary calculus that engages in these rational calculus trade-offs, then it wouldn't make you Hitler to say, well, sorry, but I would probably jump and save my biological children first.

00:40:34.580 So what you have to do is explain to the suicidally empathetic person that empathy is beautiful, but it has to be constrained by an evolutionary relevant calculus.

00:40:48.500 I know that sounds very fancy and professorial, but that's the only way to do it.

00:40:52.360 And the reason why I use the trolley problem is because it is a vivid storytelling. 0.98

00:40:58.260 Even the degenerate imbecile who suffers from suicidal empathy would be hard pressed to say, I wouldn't save my three biological children. 0.97

00:41:08.340 And therefore, through a mean, a Socratic mean, I have cornered you into realizing that we don't have an infinite well of empathy. 0.99

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00:41:48.620 I love that.

00:41:49.920 And also, the other thing that just really gets me are these awfuls, as Michael Malice

00:41:57.140 would say, taking up for everybody else's issues.

00:42:01.200 It's so insulting and so degrading and embarrassing. 0.98

00:42:06.860 And as a white woman, I'm just like, go away, go home, go do your job, stop worrying about 0.98

00:42:14.720 everyone else's stuff. 0.99

00:42:15.840 And, you know, that goes for, you know, the whole thing with, you know, black people can't get IDs to vote. 1.00

00:42:21.920 Like, don't be ridiculous. 0.99

00:42:23.240 Like, how are they supposed to? 0.98

00:42:25.740 So with suicidal empathy, you know, it reaches as far as things like I am very worried about Islam personally. 0.54

00:42:34.020 That's just me, Erica.

00:42:35.600 Where's my sign?

00:42:36.820 That's just my opinion.

00:42:38.860 Not to upset anybody.

00:42:40.220 but you know also as close as you know we definitely have an issue with you know groups 1.00

00:42:47.240 of black people that are running amok right now destroying cities and towns it just happened 1.00

00:42:53.380 five minutes down the road from me um it's happening everywhere and we have to stop 1.00

00:42:58.960 being afraid to be called a racist because we're pointing out a problem and if you can't like they

00:43:06.080 say if you can't talk about the problem and you can't you know narrow down to what it is how are

00:43:12.000 you ever going to fix it so with something um i mean this is not what you were expecting but

00:43:18.480 with something like this issue because i just see like when the summer comes this like increases

00:43:23.360 when the weather is warmer and everybody's rowdy so how do you stop whatever they're calling them

00:43:29.120 what are they calling these you guys like teen something teen takeovers teen takeovers right

00:43:35.040 like oh oh it's just teenager takeovers um they're violent they're wild they're jumping on people's

00:43:40.320 cars there's fights there's stabbings there's this there's that how do we call it out without

00:43:47.760 people being afraid to call it out and how do we stop something like that right uh well first if

00:43:54.560 you forgive me for putting you on the spot the fact that you said i don't want to offend anybody

00:43:59.920 i don't want to upset anybody you have to get rid of that reflex right and thank you for pointing

00:44:04.640 that out because I've also, you're right, as I was saying it, I kind of felt it because I've also

00:44:09.920 made a commitment to do my best, I have to remember, not to do a pre-qualifier before I speak.

00:44:16.420 Exactly. Look, in one of the chapters of suicidal empathy, I talk about forbidden knowledge,

00:44:23.340 right? Forbidden knowledge is the fancy term for what's called the consequentialist ethic. So again,

00:44:29.660 forgive me for using some professorial terms, but I think it's worthwhile for your audience.

00:44:34.640 There are two types of ethical systems.

00:44:37.140 There's what's called deontological ethics.

00:44:39.620 This would be an absolute statement.

00:44:41.640 So if I say it is never okay to lie, that would be a deontological statement.

00:44:47.240 If I say it is okay to lie to spare someone's feelings, for example, I always joke, although

00:44:54.080 I'm being serious, if you wish to have a happy, long-lasting marriage, if you ever hear the

00:45:00.680 following question, do I look fat in those jeans? Put on your consequentialist hat very quickly and

00:45:07.200 say, no, sweetie, you've never looked more beautiful. I might be lying because maybe my

00:45:12.220 spouse has put on a bit of weight, but I care very much about her feelings. I want to elevate her. 0.88

00:45:17.600 Therefore, I might engage in a small white lie. Now, for many things in life, it perfectly makes

00:45:23.420 sense for us to be consequentialist. That's okay. But there are certain principles that have to be

00:45:29.860 deontological by definition, right? Presumption of innocence in the judicial system has to be

00:45:36.260 deontological. Freedom of inquiry has to be deontological. Freedom of speech has to be

00:45:42.060 deontological. So forbidden knowledge is where you're using a consequentialist ethic for something

00:45:49.400 that should be deontological, meaning let's not do the research on this phenomenon or highlight

00:45:56.640 the empirical reality of this phenomenon, because if we do so, it might further marginalize this

00:46:03.880 community. So don't say that some immigration groups are less likely to assimilate within the

00:46:10.300 American experience than others, because that is hurtful. Don't say that the youths that are

00:46:16.140 engaging in these teen takeovers, by the way, in the early 90s, that phenomenon used to be called

00:46:21.320 wolfing because they dissent to you on wolves. So don't say that that teen takeover tends to have

00:46:29.400 people of a certain skin you because that seems racist and white supremacist. You know what?

00:46:36.440 Truth is more important than your hurt feelings. I have zero bigotry in my heart, but the most

00:46:43.680 fundamental ideal that I seek to ascribe to, well, there are two ideals, freedom and truth.

00:46:51.320 So if the truth hurts your feelings, then F your feelings.

00:46:55.860 I agree.

00:46:56.520 Thank you.

00:46:57.080 I hope everybody can take that and feel that.

00:47:00.800 And I think that's great advice.

00:47:02.680 Owen, what question did you want to get in?

00:47:05.120 Well, so I know you mentioned in your book that women are more empathetic than men,

00:47:11.240 generally speaking, on average, statistically.

00:47:14.040 Do you think part of the reason that some of the suicidal empathy is getting so much 1.00

00:47:18.080 traction in the united states is that we just have a lot more women in positions of power and 0.99

00:47:22.500 that they're able to set policies and things like that i mean certainly in some institutions the 0.94

00:47:29.180 rise in suicidal empathy in those institutions is because of the greater feminization of those

00:47:35.160 institutions so for example in academia we now have instead of the epistemology of truth which

00:47:43.940 should be epistemology means philosophy of knowledge right so instead of having an epistemology

00:47:49.840 of truth which is what you would expect in a university that adheres to the scientific method

00:47:55.060 we now have an epistemology of care what the f does epistemology of care mean right i mean the 0.98

00:48:02.620 distribution of prime numbers is the distribution of prime numbers irrespective of your bullshit 0.95

00:48:08.220 hurt feelings, right? Now, that epistemology of care arises from the infantilization and 0.98

00:48:16.460 feminization of the university. So in one sense, what you're saying is true, but I don't want to

00:48:22.720 put suicidal empathy only on the broad shoulders of womanhood, right? Because there's a lot of also

00:48:29.600 castrated men who are suicidally empathetic. So it's a one-two punch. It's the feminization

00:48:36.960 of our culture that increases the likelihood of suicidal empathy but it's also the fact that we

00:48:43.740 have pathologized half of humanity called or what is that word i'm looking for oh men uh so so by

00:48:51.920 castrating and pathologizing men as a form of toxicity right i mean it's toxic masculinity

00:48:59.920 you end up with the perfect cocktail for suicidal empathy yeah and i mean part of the way i look at

00:49:05.560 is the the you know that there's this oppressor victim thing going on with liberals kind of

00:49:11.480 elevating the victim and wanting to essentially be the victim um and looking for the oppressor

00:49:16.920 that's out there whether it's real or not and um kind of choosing which groups are demonized which

00:49:23.240 groups are better they have the whole intersectional thing where the more different things you have you

00:49:27.160 can maybe elevate your status as a victim which is so bizarre to me but um it seems real um and

00:49:33.560 It seems to me like that's one of the bigger underpinnings of this is that when you elevate the status of a person based on being a victim, they see they can get status points with that.

00:49:43.600 And they're trying to kind of compete to be the biggest victim.

00:49:45.840 And then on the other side of that, they're trying to also give those status points out to the biggest victims rather than merit or achievement or people who are actually accomplishing things.

00:49:58.360 And it seems so backwards to me, but I guess I still don't understand why that happens.

00:50:03.560 Well, by the way, but to your point about victimhood, in Parasitic Mind, I talk about

00:50:08.720 the homeostasis of victimology. So a homeostatic system is one. So for example, the thermostat

00:50:16.840 in a hotel room is a homeostatic system because you set the bar, the temperature that you'd like

00:50:24.480 it at, and then the homeostatic system either activates the heating or the air conditioning

00:50:33.040 to reach that level. So applying that principle to victimology is, look, we need to have a set

00:50:40.100 level of victimology in order to adhere to the narrative that the United States is a transphobic, 0.91

00:50:46.600 Islamophobic, sitting on stolen land, white supremacist society. And because we need to 0.93

00:50:51.980 reach that homeostasis level of victimology, if we can't come up with actual examples, then no

00:50:58.680 problem. You'll just manufacture him, Jussie Smollett. You'll just manufacture him, Senator

00:51:04.280 Chief Lieselot, Elizabeth Warren. But now, here's the interesting part. One of the questions I

00:51:13.080 often ask is, how is it that you could be so outspoken, Professor Saad, in academia and you've

00:51:21.260 yet to be cancelled? And here's one of many reasons why it's not easy, thank God, to cancel me.

00:51:28.680 it's because I outscore all the bullshitters in real victimology. I'm the king of holding the

00:51:37.580 card. I'm a childhood war refugee who escaped execution in the Middle East. So your bullshit

00:51:46.580 story about what might have happened 300 years ago to the Navajo when they fought whomever, 1.00

00:51:52.940 that might be very nice. And it's part of your intergenerational history. But I don't need to

00:51:58.380 invoke 300 years ago what happened to my ancestors. I escaped execution. My parents were kidnapped by

00:52:06.300 Fatah and tortured. My grandparents escaped Syria. My brother-in-law's family escaped Alexandria,

00:52:14.320 Egypt. So it becomes very difficult when someone wants to play the victimology game with me

00:52:19.980 to outrank me. So they usually run away and I use their calculus to defeat the idiots. 1.00

00:52:26.560 And it seems like the more boxes people check, blue hair, you know, used to be a man, now I'm 1.00

00:52:32.820 pretending I'm a woman, like the worse it is. And I'll say it again, I love using my woman card on 1.00

00:52:40.380 here. But as the only woman on this panel right now, I think women are messing up a lot of things. 1.00

00:52:47.160 Whoa, whoa, whoa. How do you know I'm not a woman? 1.00

00:52:49.920 because I know because I'm not stupid. I mean, look at that face, that man right there. 0.98

00:52:57.680 But seriously, I think women are really messing up a lot of things. And, you know, everyone laughs 1.00

00:53:03.180 at me. Some people get mad at me in the chat. But I was just I always say, like, I'm happy to give

00:53:08.020 up my right to vote if it means all women can't vote because it's so crazy. So, you know, if 0.91

00:53:14.880 anyone's afraid to say I think women really are a pain in the ass. And I think that they're afraid 1.00

00:53:19.900 of like not keeping their friend group and being popular. And it's like that petty.

00:53:25.160 And then I think for the women out there, like the queer British woman who's okay with, you know, 0.93

00:53:30.920 she'd be killed if she went over to Palestine. You know, they just, they're just lost. They're 1.00

00:53:36.680 lost or lonely. They probably grew up on social media and they don't have any real friends or

00:53:41.080 connections. And that's why I'm also all for bringing back mental institutions. Like, where 0.64

00:53:47.440 do they go we need to put these people somewhere they need help because i don't know how you fix

00:53:51.540 this it is really broken and i don't know how you know people are going to start out breeding 0.99

00:53:57.080 islam for example if we keep you know i mean it's it's an obvious calculation to just

00:54:03.700 feminize men and is there anything worse than a male feminist no so i don't know and i can i

00:54:12.060 share with you please uh so i had a theory that i first proposed in the parasitic mind which

00:54:19.420 exactly applies to what you just said about the feminization of men uh and forgive me can i use

00:54:25.620 an f word because it's an actual zoological scientific term absolutely oh in zoology there 0.97

00:54:31.640 is something called the sneaky fucker strategy and the sneaky fucker refer i mean the the fancy 0.98

00:54:38.900 a scientific term is kleptogamy. Kleptogamy, forgive me for the phone, let me just close this. 0.98

00:54:46.320 Kleptogamy refers to the stealing of mating opportunities. Now, let me explain what that

00:54:51.480 means. And this, by the way, was a theory that was developed in the 1970s. And then I took that

00:54:57.860 theory and then used it to explain male feminists. Okay, so bear with me. So in many species,

00:55:04.720 there are multiple types of males in that species. The fancy term would be multiple

00:55:11.200 male phenotypes. There is the usual male with the typical secondary sexual characteristics.

00:55:18.820 He looks like a male. But then there's another type of male that mimics female morphology.

00:55:26.180 So when the sneaky fucker comes along in front of the big male, he dupes the big male into thinking that he is a female who then goes around and surreptitiously mates with the females, unbeknownst to the male that was guarding the females. 0.97

00:55:46.060 So for example, you see that in some fish species. So because I'm well aware of many animal behavior, you know, as an evolutionary psychologist, that was my epiphany. I said, aha, male feminists are engaging in the sneaky fucker strategy. So there you go. 0.98

00:56:04.700 One thousand percent. And we've seen people get in trouble for this, too. And even, you know, they've been, you know, I don't want to say charged. I don't know if they were all if they were charged, but people that are male feminists have been accused of being abusive to women. So, yes. So they're sort of like the sneaky fucker honey badger of men.

00:56:25.180 Look, I'm so kind. I'm empathetic. You don't have to really be threatened by me because I wear a 1.00

00:56:32.320 cloth and I cry when I put the gas into my car because I know that I am participating in the

00:56:40.140 rape of Mother Earth. So someone as empathetic as me, you don't have to worry. Slip into that

00:56:46.320 lingerie and let's watch a movie together. You're safe with me, sweetie.

00:56:49.820 That's right. So true. And the honey badger story also reminds me, I feel like Greg Gutfeld is the honey badger of late night. He's, he's small, but he's tall and he's confident and he's dominating. And that's immediately who I thought of when you were talking about that and all those other loser late night hosts. And then you got Greg, go Greg. Oh my gosh, you guys, we have five minutes left. We have four minutes left. Who's counting? Oh, and go ahead, sneak in some questions.

00:57:18.000 Well, I wanted to mention, I did really, I was very amused by your new term for rape that you called it undocumented lovemaking. I thought that was hilarious. And I guess the question, or I don't know, the statement, maybe it's more of a comment, but, you know, it seems like you do that, what I would call embrace and amplify. 0.99

00:57:42.300 And that's something Scott Adams would teach us as one of the persuasion techniques, that it's often better to mock people and to use that embrace and amplify just to make it seem ridiculous.

00:57:51.720 And I think you're very brilliant at that.

00:57:54.740 Oh, you're very kind.

00:57:55.520 Thank you for the sweet words. 0.98

00:57:57.860 That's specifically why, to your point, that's why dictators, they will first go and kill off the satirists, the one with the sharp tongue, the one with the venomous pen. 0.85

00:58:11.740 because my biggest threat as a dictator is the guy who through his very surgical satire 1.00

00:58:19.680 can eradicate all my facade and bullshit. I don't have to go after the tall guys with big muscles. 0.99

00:58:26.720 Those are easy to handle. But the guy with the sharp tongue, I've got to get rid of him. So

00:58:31.500 that's exactly the point that you're making. Well, ladies in the chat, and men too, if you

00:58:36.740 feel like it. Yes or no. I mean, are you more attracted to a man with wit, you know, that can

00:58:43.360 stimulate your brain or a man that can, I mean, is it the wit? Yes or no. Like what's the most

00:58:51.760 attractive quality? I'm just going to watch, but we can, we can keep talking. But for me,

00:58:55.620 I don't get the live chat. It's not updating on mine. You know what? You're probably better off,

00:59:00.900 but I'll give you the results. We're an unruly bunch.

00:59:05.940 The final question I have is I learned about Jonathan Haidt's moral foundations theory,

00:59:11.360 and he talks about how there's these six dimensions like care, fairness, loyalty,

00:59:15.760 authority, sanctity, and liberty. And he points out that liberals really only care about the first

00:59:20.420 two, care and fairness. And then maybe it's a different theory, but I've seen the statistics

00:59:26.740 that like liberals care more about what's far away

00:59:29.580 rather than what's close to them or the people far away.

00:59:32.340 And do you think those are the factors

00:59:34.380 that are really causing liberals

00:59:35.920 to sort of fall prey to the suicidal empathy?

00:59:38.980 I mean, in part, there are other factors.

00:59:41.300 I mean, the liberals or the Democrats or the progressives,

00:59:45.560 I mean, literally call themselves the party of empathy, right?

00:59:48.600 Barack Obama was colloquially referred to

00:59:51.460 as the empathizer in chief, right?

00:59:54.380 He talked about the empathy gap.

00:59:56.300 So, yes, I'm an admirer of Jonathan Haidt, and I know him, and his moral framework is a good one.

01:00:05.540 But it's certainly not the only framework that can explain suicidal empathy.

01:00:09.820 But I would add to the point of what were the two?

01:00:14.520 It was fairness.

01:00:15.260 What was the other one?

01:00:16.560 Care. 0.53

01:00:17.200 Care.

01:00:17.740 Okay.

01:00:17.920 Well, and I hope that Jonathan, if he ever hears this, won't be upset, or Steven Pinker's.

01:00:24.240 What I think they suffer from, while they are perfectly lovely people who do great academic work, they've got zero hunter, honey badger abilities.

01:00:36.740 So while they can do the pontification, the professorial stuff, they cross their legs in a very just 100% there or that's not what wins the battle.

01:00:50.260 What wins the battle is knowing when to use which modality. I can tuck my children to bed

01:00:58.880 with the infinite love that I possess for my children, but if you come at me in a dark alley, 1.00

01:01:05.940 I'm going to fight you to the death if you try to mug me or rape me. It didn't change who I am. 1.00

01:01:12.380 I'm inherently a nice, sweet, affable person, but depending on the situation, I could be loving

01:01:18.500 or I could be the honey badger and brutal the problem with folks like Steven Pinker and Jonathan

01:01:26.680 Haidt is that they ascribe to the care part they're always about politeness and niceness

01:01:35.280 I am as polite and as nice as anybody else in the right circumstance but I'm an MMA fighter in the

01:01:43.100 other circumstance. If we could inject into them this little thing called testosterone,

01:01:49.040 they would be better warriors and would be better at joining me and actually fighting this stuff

01:01:54.360 rather than always crossing their legs. Maybe we can try and replace the SSRIs with testosterone. 0.97

01:02:00.180 Indeed. Exactly. I love that. Well, we promised we'd stick to an hour. I just want to let

01:02:04.800 everybody know if you aren't already following Dr. Gadsad, what is wrong with you? But he also

01:02:10.480 shares food photos he loves animals and i'm sorry you lost your beautiful baby recently your your

01:02:18.100 dog oh my god this man loves dogs like nobody's business and oh i've been watching you with your

01:02:25.000 animal photos for a thousand years dogs are godly they are that's all of our noble virtues that we

01:02:31.180 aspire to have and none of our faults they're perfect that's right they're perfect um don't

01:02:37.260 tell my cat okay so anyway so please follow him also your exercise journey you love soccer like

01:02:43.760 you're funny he he has it he's the whole package so please you know if you're you're like oh my

01:02:49.680 gosh he's so intellectual just go you're gonna learn so much and love him um owen and i thank

01:02:55.420 you so much marcella in the chat marcella thanks for hanging with the chat today she's our other

01:03:00.040 host um we so appreciate you coming on we know scott would be so thrilled seeing what's happening

01:03:07.180 here and that he is. Did you enjoy being on with us today? I absolutely loved it. I love the free

01:03:14.420 flowing conversation. You're both delightful, even though I didn't get the pleasure of seeing

01:03:19.760 Owen move, but I was still enamored by your beautiful voice. And so thank you so much for

01:03:28.220 having me on. We appreciate it. We hope you'll come back and join us again one day. Thank you.

01:03:34.200 And as we say goodbye, we always give our thanks to Scott and to Shelly that they allow this show to go on and continue and that, you know, Scott wanted us all to stay together and keep moving forward, which I think we're doing beautifully.

01:03:47.400 And we're going to just have a closing sip to Scott, everybody in the chat.

01:03:51.280 Thank you so, so much for being here.

01:03:52.940 We'll be back.

01:03:53.900 Yeah.

01:03:54.220 Cheers to Scott, you guys.

01:03:55.560 We'll see you tomorrow morning.

01:03:57.320 To Scott.

01:03:58.120 Be the honey badger.

01:03:59.460 Thank you.

01:04:00.060 Be the honey badger.

01:04:01.220 Cheers. 0.91

01:04:01.540 should i log off i can kick you out nicely

01:04:06.860 thank you bye guys bye

01:04:10.860 oh owen we're still live don't we love him yeah it was great thanks mindy there's my friend mindy

01:04:21.780 he's so great so you guys thank you so so much i hope you um enjoyed gad sad as much as we did

01:04:28.360 Marcella thank you so much for hanging in the chat with the locals all right so

01:04:34.300 we'll be back tomorrow it's fun day Friday tomorrow already Owen mm-hmm oh

01:04:40.060 and are you gonna wear like a fun outfit tomorrow for fun Friday I could see if I

01:04:45.100 could pull that off maybe we'll see love it all right you guys my nose is itching

01:04:50.260 and it's time to go love you guys so much and we'll see you in the morning

01:04:54.980 Bye, everyone.

Real Coffee with Scott Adams - May 21, 2026

The Scott Adams School - 05⧸21⧸26 GAD SAAD! Suicidal Empathy #1 on the NY Times Best Seller list

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