Real Coffee with Scott Adams - The Scott Adams School - 06⧸23⧸26 Joshua Lisec Joins Erica and Owen. News & Nonsense

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00:00:06.680 Good morning, good morning, good morning. Welcome in, you guys. Just letting mine catch up with

00:00:14.920 you guys. Oh, I feel like I'm pretty in sync. Okay. Hi, everybody. It's me and Owen and Joshua.

00:00:21.900 I could hear his tires screeching around the corner. He's almost at the office.

00:00:25.420 so he will be here in a second but let's come on in and hang out for a second give a chance for

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00:02:07.520 you guys poof good morning joshua how are you good morning eric i'm pretty dandy good to be

00:02:14.160 here with you all oh lovely oh i love dandy i say dandy all the time i think i need more light you

00:02:19.560 guys, I am so out of sorts today. I cannot figure my life out. I mean, not that I was trying to do

00:02:26.440 the whole thing in one day, but maybe Joshua can help me with some kind of system to figure out

00:02:31.700 my entire life. So Joshua, how have you been? We've missed you. We're so excited to have you

00:02:37.320 back today. I missed you all as well. I've been a busy author and co-author. I announced a new book

00:02:44.620 a couple of weeks ago, my fifth LISAC book of the year.

00:02:49.860 And then, of course, there's still the project I'm collaborating on

00:02:52.260 with Joel Pollack of Scott's Official Biography.

00:02:55.460 That'll be coming out later in this year in time for the holiday season.

00:02:59.020 So that'll be good.

00:02:59.940 But there's a lot going on here.

00:03:02.420 Tell us about the new book.

00:03:04.700 Oh, yes, the new book.

00:03:05.580 Yes.

00:03:06.180 So I live in Dayton, Ohio.

00:03:09.740 And near Dayton, Ohio is a city called Springfield.

00:03:13.560 And of course, Springfield is now famously known for, they're eating the cats, they're eating the dogs, okay, the sort of the viral pet consumption meme from September 2024, right around the time of the presidential debates. 0.96

00:03:27.400 Now, for the past approximately five years at that time, Springfield had played involuntary host to an immense Haitian migrant influx. 0.85

00:03:42.020 So 2010, Haiti, of course, suffered the natural disaster.

00:03:46.220 There was basically an exodus of millions of people from the country.

00:03:51.520 Many of them ended up in South America, Brazil and Chile specifically.

00:03:55.740 And even though Haitian culture and American culture are, let's say, distinct, unique unto

00:04:05.520 themselves. And Haitians in Springfield have had, shall we say, a generally difficult time with

00:04:15.140 assimilating and integrating, which we'll come back to in a moment. But 2021, you have President

00:04:21.520 Biden, you have Secretary Mayorkas, you have a wide open border, and you then have as many as 10 0.85

00:04:30.100 to 20 million undocumented migrants, aka illegal aliens, call them what you want, coming over the

00:04:37.160 border. And there were these massive caravans of tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands even,

00:04:45.620 of Haitians who basically walked from Chile and Brazil all the way up through South America,

00:04:53.240 through some of the most dangerous parts of of the world many of them died in journey i don't

00:05:00.900 think that number of how many haitian migrants actually died um disease crime uh boat capsizing

00:05:11.100 getting eaten by jungle animals literally happening uh and then continued walking

00:05:16.960 basically or or going by boat from the northern tip of south america to florida and then you know

00:05:22.400 Miami, because Miami has quite a Haitian community, are then walking all the way up through

00:05:26.660 Mexico. And one of the better known spots that they stopped and built kind of basically a migrant 0.98

00:05:33.320 camp was in Del Rio, Texas, across the Rio Grande. An immense trial of great suffering.

00:05:39.760 Now, these Haitians were promised the American dream, specifically Springfield, Ohio. People 0.99

00:05:45.240 that I spoke to, I interviewed dozens of people who are, I would say, the most in the know with

00:05:52.480 Why did so many Haitians come to Springfield?

00:05:54.920 Where did they come from?

00:05:56.300 I spoke with Haitians also.

00:05:58.680 And many of them believed that Springfield had great housing, great jobs, great neighborhoods, great community, great, all of these things.

00:06:05.180 Okay, sort of this 10 out of 10 dream was pitched to the Haitian people who were migrating up through, you know, during the Biden administration.

00:06:13.280 Well, Springfield, like many B, C, and D tier cities in America, unfortunately, but also in Ohio,

00:06:21.880 has suffered from all of the prior administrations, immigration policies, and globalization of the

00:06:30.560 economy, resulting in jobs getting shipped out, factories going out of business, many large

00:06:38.080 businesses and smaller businesses that had depended on those businesses going out of business.

00:06:42.180 so this sort of catastrophic cascade, then you have the opioid crisis, you have addiction,

00:06:47.120 you have Ohio being, I believe it is the state with the highest per capita drug overdose rate,

00:06:54.600 largely because of the interstates, Interstate 75 and Interstate 70, that cross, that intersect in

00:07:00.600 Ohio, near me, actually, here in Dayton, Ohio. And all of these ills were piling up on one another.

00:07:07.940 You had something between 20,000 and 30,000 Springfielders leaving over the last 40 years,

00:07:14.960 sort of this cascading effect of moving out.

00:07:18.840 Formerly, Springfield was one of the most prosperous cities in the United States.

00:07:22.660 It was a great city that played host to all manner of factories and inventors.

00:07:27.200 And there's museums still all around Clark County showing the fantastic history of this

00:07:32.000 once glorious city.

00:07:33.540 So Springfield was a city that was struggling to kind of, what are we going to be?

00:07:37.940 here in the future. And then you get, depending on who you talk to, between 15,000 and 34,000

00:07:44.740 Haitian migrants, uniquely unassimilated to the American way of life, kind of dropped on the tap.

00:07:52.080 And at that time, Springfield was only 60,000 people. So that's, you know, between, between 1.00

00:07:57.340 25% and over 50% of your population size growing overnight. Did you say why Springfield?

00:08:04.180 experience of the haitian migrants is very different in south america and haiti although

00:08:09.280 some did come from haiti to springfield this is very did you did you say why springfield in

00:08:15.940 particular yes i think a number of reasons i explore those in the book um when you look at

00:08:22.920 follow the money heuristic it does actually seem to show that that was the case the first springfield

00:08:29.940 migrant who is Haitian goes back to 2018. So you go from like one person, it is identified who this

00:08:38.380 one woman was. And she's actually originally from New York. So not exactly like Haitian kind of

00:08:44.660 showing up off the boat or through the jungle. But there is a combination of word of mouth and

00:08:52.420 temp agencies who began placing Haitian workers, paying them significantly less than United States

00:09:00.880 American citizen, native-born heritage resident, paying them significantly less at temporary jobs

00:09:07.040 and making hand over fist and cash money off of these workers. Both the, I would say, anti-influx 0.99

00:09:16.880 citizens I spoke with and those advocating for the Haitians' well-being both were very upset by

00:09:23.900 the fact that these American jobs were not advertised and handed out to Haitian migrants

00:09:31.080 and temporary workers and being getting paid significantly less. A number of Americans that

00:09:38.660 I spoke with, Ohioans and Springfield residents, they lost job opportunities. They lost housing

00:09:44.140 that they had lived in. So you saw all manner of costs going up around town. Car insurance,

00:09:50.480 because so many of the Haitians did not know how to drive, and there were accidents, including 1.00

00:09:54.260 the killing of Springfield residents via Haitian drivers. Immense destruction of property around 1.00

00:10:02.380 town. Very, very dangerous. One of the people I'm talking to, you know, Sidney Cross from him,

00:10:08.260 He's a homeless minister who now has found himself dealing with this influx of Haitians 1.00

00:10:15.540 resulting in single mothers, generally poor people just trying to piece it together, getting 1.00

00:10:21.300 cast out of their housing basically because the rent's going up 50 to 200 percent because 0.89

00:10:26.280 now the Haitians can pay more because they're getting all these welfare benefits, but it's 0.93

00:10:30.400 not quite enough to keep them not from having to get a job. 1.00

00:10:35.540 But then they're stuffing Haitians 20, 30, even 100 in a single house. 1.00

00:10:42.400 What?

00:10:43.140 They're illegally charging them per person.

00:10:46.240 Wow.

00:10:46.920 Per person.

00:10:47.640 This seems like a huge RICO conspiracy.

00:10:50.080 It was, well, I don't know so much that it was that.

00:10:52.620 It was, we can make a lot of money really fast off of people who don't know any better.

00:10:56.160 Oh, yeah.

00:10:57.060 And to the detriment of our heritage residents.

00:11:01.140 It just seems like it's highly coordinated with a whole bunch of people making all this stuff happen, and it's illegal, right?

00:11:07.960 So, I mean, if they're breaking the law left and right and they're all coordinating to do it, it seems like this big RICO case that could be made. 0.79

00:11:17.320 The Haitian influx into Springfield, Ohio, is a representative case study of immigration in the United States today. 0.66

00:11:24.500 I think that's why this is so important.

00:11:27.060 And I thought no one had ever actually written a book about this.

00:11:30.640 This is probably the most, it might be the most consequential story of the 2024 presidential

00:11:36.200 election, aside from the other book that I did called Bulletproof about the assassination

00:11:41.900 attempts on Donald Trump.

00:11:43.500 That, of course, being the other obvious one.

00:11:45.900 Joshua, what's the name of this book?

00:11:47.140 I went there in 2024.

00:11:48.840 Vivek Ramaswamy, Tiffany Justice, formerly of Moms, were doing a kind of a town hall

00:11:55.580 of both Haitian business people and local leaders and whatnot.

00:11:58.400 not and i'm there with the people and uh i'm trying to get in and there is outside a little

00:12:05.780 man from politico allegedly politico is how i describe him uh in the book and he uh he comes

00:12:13.560 um he comes up to me and he starts asking me questions about my experience and and where i'm

00:12:18.020 from and how i know springfield what my thoughts are and before i'm able to answer any questions

00:12:22.480 uh you know what he does is he simply announces oh oh oh it's all been debunked he has a really

00:12:27.840 high nasally voice. It's like, oh, it's all been debunked. It's all debunked. It's all been

00:12:31.160 debunked. That, of course, is referring to, I wasn't sure. Is he talking about like the cats

00:12:36.280 and the dogs thing? What is he talking about? And he used the passive voice, which is something

00:12:40.560 really sneaky that your journalibs will do where something hasn't actually been debunked. They just

00:12:47.240 want you to kind of go along with that. And I wanted to ask him, so are you the one who did

00:12:55.020 the debunking? Like, did you go out to the neighborhoods? Did you do the gumshoe journalism,

00:12:58.680 detective work? Did you do any of that? No? No, didn't do any of that? Okay. So that left a bad 0.56

00:13:04.320 taste in my mouth, so to speak. Ha ha. Because this official story has been hoaxed away. Okay,

00:13:10.300 let's just, it's announced it's a hoax. What is it? PolitiFact announced that the Haitians of

00:13:15.420 Springfield story was the lie of the year. Called it the lie of the year. And it quite bothered me

00:13:22.640 that that language was used because I had kind of heard through the local grapevine that a lot of

00:13:29.620 terrible things have been happening in Springfield to the heritage residents, but also too, and with

00:13:34.040 the Haitians. It's not like these people from an underdeveloped country originally are maliciously

00:13:41.820 showing up and just harming the locals. That's not exactly happening. But if you understand

00:13:48.180 Haitian culture, it's unique. We'll call it that. There's an anthropologist I quote liberally in the

00:13:54.480 book who describes Haiti as more African than Africa in the values, the customs, the language,

00:14:01.120 so on and so on and so forth. And you might expect someone who comes literally from, let's say,

00:14:07.720 classical Africa, coming into Ohio, Midwestern town, probably not to have the best time of their 0.99

00:14:15.960 lies for anyone. That said, I decided, and I was put up to it by Jack Posobiec, he encouraged me, 1.00

00:14:23.540 do the book, do the book, you got to do the book, call it Haitians of Springfield. So

00:14:26.660 Jack Posobiec gave me the title of the book. All right, wait, is that what it's called?

00:14:31.040 Haitians of Springfield? Haitians of Springfield. Okay, guys, that was your answer.

00:14:35.520 Yes. And so it releases October 6. Like, like, in between a couple of other books I have going on,

00:14:41.020 one of which is unelected that I'm dealing with Jenica Pounds.

00:14:45.620 And funny enough, she provided some help on this book,

00:14:48.660 looking up some of the data and confirming what the citizens suspected.

00:14:53.740 This, you know, kind of doing a sample of the Clark County justice system.

00:14:58.200 It does seem, and we present this in the book,

00:15:00.180 it does seem that the justice system of Clark County,

00:15:05.220 it has a two tiered system.

00:15:07.700 It does seem that way, where the residents are punished with one standard, but if you're 1.00

00:15:13.760 a Haitian, you have a lower standard. 1.00

00:15:16.600 That does seem to be the case. 1.00

00:15:18.820 It also does seem to be the case, and this has been documented on video, this is so many

00:15:24.000 anonymous sources, it's crazy, that I interviewed that asked to be left anonymous because they

00:15:27.860 will lose their job, they will lose everything if it comes out that they were the source.

00:15:32.220 There's immense fear in Springfield because of the pro-Haitian migrant, let's say, I will

00:15:40.960 call it propaganda of Clark County that basically says, you go along with this or you are racist.

00:15:49.140 Do you want to be outed as a racist?

00:15:51.180 Do you want to be known that you're a racist?

00:15:54.740 Do you want that to be the story?

00:15:57.400 Is that what you want?

00:15:58.780 And there's not that many jobs available in Springfield as once there had been.

00:16:03.400 And so it's a bit of a hard time that people are having.

00:16:07.460 And I feel quite compassionate for everyone involved.

00:16:11.980 Now, on the matter of the story that began all this, the eating the cats, eating the dogs thing,

00:16:17.220 something interesting that I found is that no one ever said anything about dogs.

00:16:24.760 No one ever said anything about dogs.

00:16:26.000 I go there and I'm going to quote Representative Phil Plummer.

00:16:30.220 He was a former Montgomery County Sheriff.

00:16:31.880 He's now a state legislator. 0.99

00:16:33.760 And by the way, because of all the problems with the Haitian drivers, he got it put into 0.88

00:16:39.220 the state budget for one of the years after multiple killings of Springfield residents 0.50

00:16:44.400 by the Haitian drivers.

00:16:46.860 He got it put into the budget that even if you're over 18, you have to complete driver's

00:16:54.460 education.

00:16:54.920 you have to complete certification courses you have to do all the things that like an under 18 1.00

00:16:59.180 person would to get a license because what we're happening is Haitians over 18 were coming and just 1.00

00:17:04.200 buying cars how are they buying cars it's another interesting story like new cars or gently used 0.99

00:17:11.160 cars when they come across del rio and they have literally like all their entire belongings net

00:17:17.960 worth like in a backpack? How do they show up and buy a $14,000 car? So speaking of there being lots

00:17:26.760 of money being made, and Jenica Pounds in the book called Unelected, we talk about the NGO

00:17:32.840 administrative complex. I dive deep into the NGO administrative complex of Clark County,

00:17:39.340 Springfield, Ohio specifically, that is uniquely focused on Haitian welfare and well-being and

00:17:45.900 elevating this community with as many opportunities and as many freebies, gimmies, and stimmies as

00:17:51.360 they can possibly get, basically maxing it out. And it's rather odd because you have these

00:17:56.620 organizations in Springfield dedicated to maximal supporting, maximum supporting of Haitian migrants

00:18:04.780 who are not from Springfield. So why is this, why is this happening? Heritage residents are

00:18:11.280 pissed, I will say. I mentioned the homeless minister that I was interviewing for this. 1.00

00:18:15.900 gave me so many wild stories, including groups of Haitians going to food pantries, right? For like 0.72

00:18:22.160 for the homeless and the other privilege, going to the food pantries, getting items and products

00:18:27.060 there like for free, and then going and then selling them on the street. That's what you do

00:18:33.420 in Haiti. All right. That's just what you do in a low trust underdeveloped culture. So many of the

00:18:38.560 of the issues is the cultural incompatibility. And you might remember that viral New York cop

00:18:44.340 speaking to the so-called tunnel Jews right there in that community that was building the illegal

00:18:48.820 tunnels under the synagogue in New York City, the Italian-American police officer said,

00:18:54.460 and this is the story of the Haitians of Springfield, we don't do that in America.

00:18:59.560 A safer Ontario means more police and prosecutors making sure my car doesn't get stolen.

00:19:04.700 It means building new jails to keep criminals behind bars.

00:19:08.200 And it means there's no need to worry when I play at the park.

00:19:11.260 We're making every corner of Ontario safer to make all of Ontario safer.

00:19:16.240 That's how we protect Ontario.

00:19:18.280 For all of us.

00:19:20.240 Learn how at Ontario.ca slash Safer Ontario.

00:19:23.440 Paid for by the Government of Ontario.

00:19:30.040 And that lesson I think has insufficiently been taught to this community. 0.79

00:19:34.800 But again, it's between 15 and 34,000 Haitians. 1.00

00:19:39.280 How exactly are you going to do that when they all show up in the span of a few months

00:19:43.000 and their select few, like basically fewer than about a half dozen to a dozen individuals

00:19:48.440 who have built vast fortunes off of the presence of the Haitians of Springfield? 0.82

00:19:55.460 It's not exactly something that you might call a conspiracy, but what it is, is naked 0.99

00:20:01.360 opportunism, naked opportunism.

00:20:03.740 and the city benefits as an as an organization as an impersonal entity the city benefits from

00:20:10.980 all this presence of new people because now they get to plan and say look look how fast we're

00:20:15.960 growing as a community right look at all the business that we can now attract look at all

00:20:20.500 the land that we can develop and purchase look at all the data centers that we can build that's

00:20:24.080 that's a new thing that people are upset about is these new housing developments being built

00:20:27.840 and then there's a data center going up right next to it and the people buying who had bought

00:20:32.520 those houses didn't know about the data center and so now their backyard is this vast industrial

00:20:37.720 complex okay data center you know smoke and steam and all this stuff that's a great backyard view

00:20:42.340 because there had been a forest there previously so now you've got dozens of people outside about

00:20:45.980 that it is just frankly a mess and i mentioned uh representative phil plumber and the cats and

00:20:51.900 dogs situation so i never met anyone who said anything about a dog but what i think happened

00:20:58.280 after speaking to dozens of people and the dozens of people who have spoken to the hundreds of

00:21:02.260 people uh and i would spend like hours days i spent 10 weeks in springfield uh and what i would

00:21:08.060 do is i would do drive-alongs and ride-alongs with residents with elected leaders i spoke with

00:21:13.620 first responders and the law enforcement former law enforcement probably the most significant

00:21:18.200 interview that i did was with the sheriff of clark county she was a sheriff from 2017 to 2025

00:21:23.840 she saw literally everything her her perspective is i say i don't say this negatively i say this

00:21:32.780 with accuracy it was ghastly what she witnessed and she gave me it all i mentioned phil plumber

00:21:39.620 speaking of sheriff but of montgomery county next door sheriff plumber and then and now a 0.82

00:21:45.740 representative he was the guy who got it in the bill that specifically these haitian drivers but

00:21:50.040 everyone, you have to actually have the driver's ed. So you're not flipping your car. You're not

00:21:54.480 crashing it in apartment buildings. You're not crashing it in defenses. You're not doing a hit

00:21:58.460 and run and then fleeing, which was a big deal that I, that I found over and over the homeless

00:22:03.540 minister. I'm sitting there interviewing him for maybe our third conversation and a buddy calls

00:22:08.180 him, Hey, you know, my wife just got rear-ended by a Haitian. And then he was, he was trying to

00:22:12.440 get his, his information, but he didn't produce a driver's license or insurance. Uh, um, and then

00:22:18.880 he tried to flee the scene and she tried to hold him there. And then 15 Haitians showed up to 0.97

00:22:22.580 intimidate her. And there's this big fight, this big argument breaking out, you know, and he's

00:22:26.600 calling his friend to try to counsel him on what to do. I'm just sitting here and this spontaneously

00:22:30.700 happens. Like all things that had been debunked, I debunked the debunking simply by showing up to

00:22:38.000 Springfield and watching what's going on and talking to people. It surprised me how easy it

00:22:43.260 was to reveal that the hoax is itself a hoax. It's the strangest news story that I think there is

00:22:51.160 in the United States in the last number of years, where the news story that there's no story here,

00:22:57.920 that's the story. Do you understand? The story is that the official story is there is no story.

00:23:03.520 That's the story. And I got it all in 115,000 words. They said, give me a 65,000 word book,

00:23:09.280 sky first publishing said well here's 119 and i probably could have had to be 600 pages there's

00:23:16.420 a lot that i caught that i cut out or there's so many redundancies hearing the same story over and

00:23:21.140 over again phil plumber at vivek's event i'm standing outside getting interviewed and kind

00:23:29.220 of pelted with interview requests there in 2024 september and inside phil plumber's talking to

00:23:34.680 Vivek. And Phil Plummer begins with, I don't know about the the cats and the ducks. It was never

00:23:40.500 cats and dogs. I think what happened is somebody typing out cats and ducks, sending it up the chain

00:23:48.100 into the Trump campaign. I think someone's cats and ducks was auto corrected to cats and dogs

00:23:54.300 because that phrase is far more common in our language than cats and ducks. No one ever said

00:24:00.540 anything about dog it was always the cats and the ducks and i want you to know that someone on

00:24:05.280 locals witnessed someone eating a swan and there's someone on youtube that said they were eating the

00:24:11.440 squirrels too well i would not surprise me uh everywhere i went around town there was like oh

00:24:16.800 yeah you know i i saw a few haitians um they picked up wood ducks or not wood ducks but like

00:24:22.720 the pekin ducks from the park wood ducks at snyder park you know this one student at who gave me his

00:24:28.340 name, by the way. He's like, oh, I don't care. A Wittenberg University student. There's a bunch

00:24:31.840 of universities in Clark County in that area. I'm just driving down the road. Here's the day I was

00:24:37.040 there. Here's what I saw. This big white van Haitian gets out. He runs over there. He chases

00:24:42.260 after a Canadian goose, grabs it by the neck, and it's flailing and flapping its wings. And then he

00:24:47.300 jumps in the back of the van, and then they pull off. And I'm like, what the hell did I just see?

00:24:50.240 Maybe there is something to this. But that story, over and over and over and over again. I'm like,

00:24:56.580 Well, it happened so fast, and I was driving.

00:24:58.280 How am I going to get my phone out, and am I going to go back?

00:25:00.560 And they're gone, you know.

00:25:04.020 That story was just overwhelmingly common without.

00:25:07.100 There's sort of this truth amongst the locals that this is all happening.

00:25:12.740 And yet, when that story goes to the national media, the national media treats it like Bigfoot sightings.

00:25:20.660 Right.

00:25:20.940 That is the veracity that is granted the heritage citizens of Springfield, I believe, largely because they're a working class, conservative, Trump voting, predominantly white community. 0.99

00:25:35.960 So they're sort of the basket of deplorables, so to speak, the heritage residents of Springfield.

00:25:42.580 And so they're already disdained by the managerial elite within the media and those circles.

00:25:49.860 and so there's this there's this divide of classism like well obviously you're not telling

00:25:54.520 the truth about about Haitians oh and if the things that are happening are happening well 0.90

00:25:58.940 that's good you deserve it and so there's that two part of the story uh that that that that's 0.63

00:26:04.760 there it's not happening uh and you're racist for saying it is oh it is happening well good 0.55

00:26:09.200 because you're racist you deserve it and a let's say an observation that i had which was confirmed 0.88

00:26:16.580 by several locals who are very much in the know 0.95

00:26:20.240 is something like the reason Springfield was selected

00:26:27.420 to have the Haitians,

00:26:30.640 the reason why the Haitians are still there 0.96

00:26:32.880 in the immense numbers that they are,

00:26:34.160 between 8,000 and 12,000 is the current estimate that I got. 1.00

00:26:38.740 The reason there are so many Haitians in Springfield 1.00

00:26:40.900 is to punish Springfield. 0.95

00:26:42.280 and that observation does bear itself out and again i don't punish them for what

00:26:51.500 for being white for being working class for being conservative for being largely christian

00:26:58.620 for being trump supporters for being mega you know for hosting donald trump in 2016 during his

00:27:06.340 during his original campaign. One of the local entrepreneurs and also who doubles as an

00:27:12.420 investigative journalist that I spoke with, he pointed out that several factories, several

00:27:19.100 businesses opened or their plans were announced during the first Trump administration and were

00:27:25.380 Trump success stories for his first administration with new trade and new business and expansion and

00:27:31.040 all these things. Success stories of the first Trump administration that were announced

00:27:35.300 were immediately co-opted during the Biden administration

00:27:39.100 to benefit immigrants or migrants,

00:27:43.780 many of which technically are illegal aliens

00:27:45.740 because they were not correctly processed.

00:27:48.680 It's like you tear down the border wall

00:27:52.420 and you just let people come into the border. 0.61

00:27:55.680 Technically, those still are illegal immigrants.

00:27:58.540 But if there's temporary protected status, TPS,

00:28:01.960 they are protected from deportation.

00:28:04.480 so i in the book i call them schrodinger's immigrants uh very much like you know schrodinger's

00:28:10.260 cat uh quantum uh reality let's say thought experiment it's like they're both legal and

00:28:15.340 illegal at the same time and one story that i'm breaking in the book is that there's uh

00:28:22.600 evidence of uh fraud that i uncovered to the surprise of no one and i cover that in the book

00:28:31.420 and it seems that it was done by a particular organization that exists uh in in uh in Springfield

00:28:40.360 um and they were just a little bit sloppy about it so that's all coming up it's all coming out

00:28:46.440 in the book awesome so it's the the Haitians of Springfield um a lot of people are excited

00:28:53.100 to get this book I'm seeing in the chat um also on I don't do you know Brandon Darby Joshua

00:29:01.500 The name is familiar.

00:29:03.380 Okay.

00:29:03.760 Well, he's going to come on on Thursday, which is just like another fitting guest to have this week with this story.

00:29:09.860 You know, when you import these disasters, you know, you import a disaster, you get the disaster here.

00:29:16.980 And so just why are they still here?

00:29:21.580 And like, why aren't they out?

00:29:24.480 Why aren't we getting them out?

00:29:26.300 And, you know, we know they're there.

00:29:28.100 They're wreaking havoc. 1.00

00:29:29.180 And then this is also obviously making everybody think of the Somalian community in Minnesota and their frauds. 0.95

00:29:37.060 So it seems like – and I know there's other ones, and I can't think of them right now. 0.72

00:29:40.560 Columbus, which is just east of Springfield on Interstate 70.

00:29:46.160 So where I live – Dayton is like 1775.

00:29:49.040 The next city to the east is Springfield.

00:29:50.820 The next city after that is Columbus.

00:29:54.320 And I spoke with Sheriff Plummer.

00:29:57.240 His district is Montgomery County, again, just west of Springfield.

00:30:01.540 And, you know, when he was the sheriff, he was able to decrease the size of and the influence of foreign, basically the mob and the cartels in the Dayton, Ohio area.

00:30:14.260 He was pilloried in local media as like an authoritarian sheriff, you know, who was overly punishing.

00:30:21.020 But, of course, the reality on the ground is there's ovosis happening left and right.

00:30:25.600 Like Dayton led the nation per kappa on opioid deaths.

00:30:29.140 And so the crackdown was necessary.

00:30:31.080 Kind of a proto-Bukele, naive Bukele of El Salvador type situation. 0.99

00:30:36.800 I would liken Sheriff Plummer's, let's say, time in office to that. 0.80

00:30:43.960 And he's able to whittle down the cartel's influence to just three.

00:30:47.240 Well, he's no longer the sheriff.

00:30:48.760 And there's now nine active in Montgomery County.

00:30:52.120 someone else that I spoke with who believes that they're involved in the Haitian community in

00:30:57.900 Springfield as well there was a um an investigator that I was speaking with who shared some things

00:31:04.680 with me but he didn't want to go any further in investigating any of those connections in

00:31:08.960 Springfield he's like he's like I don't I don't want my head to be cut off with a pocket knife

00:31:14.240 Joshua do you know about the cartels and what they do like I would rather not so kind of you're on

00:31:18.840 your own as bad as you can imagine it is it's it's worse i'm thinking about that mean if only

00:31:25.680 you knew how bad things really are and again this was all relatively easy to find to this day i get

00:31:32.900 once a day someone sends me two three four sometimes this one lady sent me over 50 photos

00:31:38.700 the other day about all the photos that she and her friends have taken of haitians flipping cars 0.98

00:31:44.220 They call them the Haitian stunt drivers. 0.99

00:31:46.140 Apparently what they do is, in America, right, it's like I right foot when we drive to go 1.00

00:31:52.340 back and forth between the accelerator and the brake. 1.00

00:31:54.880 Well, apparently the Haitians have their left foot on the brake and right foot on the accelerator, 0.95

00:31:58.540 which we don't do that in America. 1.00

00:32:01.220 And the result is flipped cars.

00:32:03.880 And of course, on the cover of the book, Haitians in Springfield, is one of these quasi-flipped

00:32:08.260 cars that someone was parking in a parking lot.

00:32:10.780 And this fellow witness, he sent me the photo and gave us permission to use it on the cover.

00:32:15.880 And there's two Haitians standing outside looking rather confused as to how this ended up.

00:32:21.200 One of the most bizarre stories that I think is, let's say, demonstrative of the clash between, let's say, government, Haitian, and resident, heritage citizen, is this fellow sent me a picture.

00:32:38.220 By the way, it got community noted.

00:32:40.080 People said I was lying on X.

00:32:41.560 I got community noted.

00:32:43.380 So the story went like this.

00:32:45.540 This fellow, this homeowner,

00:32:47.180 hears an explosion about 3 a.m.

00:32:49.260 He goes outside.

00:32:51.040 He sees that a Haitian has crashed into,

00:32:54.500 a Haitian went airborne, 0.97

00:32:56.220 blew through his fence, 0.80

00:32:57.840 bounced off the yard of his backyard,

00:32:59.940 left ghastly tire marks,

00:33:01.340 and exploded the car into his garage

00:33:04.400 where his pets were.

00:33:06.500 And he killed all of his pets, but one.

00:33:09.640 of them but one he said there was little animal splatter everywhere oh joshua and then the haitian

00:33:17.400 gets out it gets worse and he goes the haitian gets out god and tries to run away literally

00:33:22.280 literally like takes off running and it's like what are you what are you doing so the homeowner

00:33:26.200 chase you know dials the police chases after the haitian and the police show up and the police

00:33:34.040 assume because of that anti-white racism i told you about that attitude because of the classism

00:33:38.760 the police sick themselves on the white homeowner assuming that oh oh oh he he has to be the guilty

00:33:46.420 one in this and then they treat the Haitian like he is the victim in this scenario and so it's

00:33:54.700 adding injury to injury eventually the police call in the uh the the Clark County Sheriff uh

00:34:01.600 the Clark County Sheriff comes they administer the breathalyzer test of the Haitian turns out

00:34:05.560 the Haitian was a drunk driver here in this scenario. There's a lot of that over town.

00:34:10.560 There's also a lot of pop-up illegal nightclubs where Haitians just show up with ice chests just 0.72

00:34:18.200 selling beer and alcohol for cash, cash money. What planet are we on? Somebody help bring me 0.95

00:34:25.180 back to reality. What the hell is going on in this country? If I was speeding, I'm going to

00:34:32.180 get a freaking ticket like what is happening make it well here's the issue here's the issue erica

00:34:38.160 so if you have tps but i believe it's if you if you get it's either it's either like two or two

00:34:44.340 or three misdemeanors you lose tps and you have to get deported so what what i what i discovered

00:34:51.420 is it seems to be policy now from the top and i point to talk about this in the book

00:34:59.240 that if you, as the police, pull over the Haitian for no license, no insurance, fender bender,

00:35:08.620 fleeing the scene of the accident, any of these traffic infractions that might result in a

00:35:12.660 misdemeanor, DUI, OVI, all of the above, do not write them up. Don't take the report. Don't write

00:35:21.220 them up because we need them in the city. We need them in the city. And so heritage residents are

00:35:26.000 absolutely pissed because you know i got rear-ended by a haitian smelled of alcohol no driver's license 0.81

00:35:33.600 no proof of insurance didn't speak english the police showed up and let him go and now i'm 0.97

00:35:39.820 responsible for paying for the repairs to my vehicle either i can't afford them or my insurance

00:35:45.580 is now going to go up because i have to make a claim it's just if only you knew how bad things

00:35:51.720 really are and why hasn't everyone in city leadership been replaced by now well um they

00:35:58.160 are what you as far as i can tell you they're what you might what you might call um rhinos you know

00:36:02.080 republicans in name only you've heard that before they're they seem to be elitist i'll put it that

00:36:08.500 way and in terms of you know we're the educated cosmopolitan open-minded immigrant uh friendly 0.97

00:36:15.320 people, welcoming people, and you are the backwards, racist, bigoted Trump supporters, 0.94

00:36:22.000 you know, who wear tennis shoes, jeans, hoodies, and ball caps. And we're in three-piece suits. 0.98

00:36:28.040 And you actually see that class divide. It's obvious whenever you go around town and you

00:36:33.140 witness this. City commission meetings are a real hoot because the residents get up there and it's

00:36:39.740 like from 1984, what is it? Like the five minutes of hate or 15 minutes of hate or two minutes of

00:36:44.940 whatever it's called right where the the heritage residents just get up there and just lay into the 0.99

00:36:50.540 city commission and they're up there you know mayor and the city city commissioners you know

00:36:54.620 just like staring at their phones or whatever just goofing off and you know just not like not

00:36:59.580 really paying attention and it's like thank you for your remarks uh up next and then they

00:37:04.460 allow the next person it's like no no they don't care nothing no it's so it's so obnoxious it's

00:37:09.420 so rude and dismissive what they do in those meetings uh yes yes so what everyone's like just

00:37:15.820 like why vote for these people you know california's starting to look better and better it's

00:37:21.180 not you're just you know nervous um but i i just i i don't so and someone else said you should give

00:37:30.140 a signed copy to um mark wayne mullen and um oh my god what's her name harmeet dylan love her

00:37:37.900 But I don't understand. So we basically are can say that the police in this area are like the police in Mexico, like they work with a cartel like they're I mean, if you're a police officer and you're not upholding the law, isn't that a problem?

00:37:54.380 some of the remarks that i heard from uh the former sheriff deborah chett is her name that

00:38:01.700 those are all going in the book again it's this is this is the interesting thing about it is it's

00:38:06.940 is it's it's not explicitly overly conspiratorial as far as i can as far as i can tell it's

00:38:16.840 It's almost like the zeitgeist is we like the Haitians. 0.81

00:38:23.200 And that is a threat, if you know what I mean, where it's like, well, I can't say that because then I'll get shamed by all of my coworkers and I'll get written up by HR. 0.96

00:38:35.860 So I say nothing or I can't produce that I wrote up this report because then I'll be shamed and I might lose my job.

00:38:42.580 Joshua, this is where we have to bring in Gadsad's book, Suicidal Empathy, because we're going hard

00:38:47.780 on this book in the school. And that's exactly what that is, you guys. I know you recognize it

00:38:54.160 right now because we talk about it so much, but that having fear of being shamed or being called

00:39:00.860 a name is how we end up in situations like this. And might you lose your job? Maybe, but what's

00:39:09.160 worse in the short term, you know, you, you want to, you want to stand up and do something. You

00:39:15.240 want to be useful. You want to make a difference. You want to save your country, but you don't want

00:39:19.160 to be a Marine. This is how you do it. Um, don't, don't give a shit about the names people call you.

00:39:26.200 It doesn't matter. It's just a fricking name, you know, but, but what's in your heart and what are 0.98

00:39:30.940 you saying and why are you saying it, you know, is for the benefit of your community and the future

00:39:38.260 for your children and your grandchildren and the country at large um i can't deal with this

00:39:45.380 suicidal empathy anymore i can't stand it anymore we you know we've just been so quiet watching

00:39:52.180 you know watching somalia in minnesota and watching those um politicians that are in on it 0.86

00:39:59.460 no like like call it out like am i racist for wanting every somalian out of here i don't know 0.99

00:40:05.620 i don't care i want every one of them out of here i want every freaking illegal haitian 0.98

00:40:10.580 the hell out of here well here's the issue here's the issue erica so so uh the reason that the so 0.94

00:40:16.660 the the tps was supposed to expire thanks to trump in february of this past year january february of

00:40:21.460 this year 2026 well the biden appointed judiciary across the country they said basically their

00:40:28.580 argument for staying the tps revoking and keeping it in place with something like this

00:40:35.620 Secretary Kristi Noem, when she was Department of Homeland Security Secretary, 0.98

00:40:39.620 she put in the expiration as soon as she legally could, demonstrating an anti-immigration,

00:40:48.500 specifically an anti-non-white immigration bias. Therefore, due to the racial element,

00:40:56.400 and this is a subtext, Noem is white, the Haitians are black. Oh, you're just racist. 0.99

00:41:02.720 So the Haitians have to stay because you're racist. 0.99

00:41:06.460 That is explicit from the Biden-appointed judiciary. 0.75

00:41:10.260 I don't know what else to say.

00:41:12.260 And by the way, these judges, I believe there's an Asian, a Latina, and an African-American, the judges.

00:41:19.760 None of them are white.

00:41:21.400 So the racialized aspect of this is obvious and is not going away.

00:41:27.940 And that's how the heritage residents and citizens that I spoke with feel.

00:41:32.040 is like, they're here because, and they stay here and they get away with these things because

00:41:38.400 they're not white. And this is what's interesting. The, the, the, the three are 0.89

00:41:42.860 for being racist and bigoted and whatnot, but there are as many, there are as many 8,000 Hispanics

00:41:48.160 in Clark County and they get along really well. People I spoke with, like Republican organizers,

00:41:53.820 vocal local activists, I would follow them around town and go around with them. And they would say,

00:41:58.940 oh yeah our neighbors are from el salvador they're great you know they gave my kid a they

00:42:02.780 gave my kid a puppy you know people across the street our kids play together teaching them some

00:42:06.820 english and it's like we we get along with hispanics from mexico from honduras from nicaragua

00:42:12.000 from el salvador because our cultures are similar and and they show up and they want to participate

00:42:17.200 in our community and we go eat at their restaurants and they hang we hang out in the backyard you know

00:42:21.720 and they there is there's a sense of acculturation that happens and i noticed this myself also in

00:42:27.460 parts of montgomery county and green county where i have lived uh and and the haitian culture is

00:42:34.060 uniquely different so the practice of voodoo is a real thing in haiti and now in springfield

00:42:41.900 people say they're eating the cats are eating the local wildlife as far as we and this is why that

00:42:47.220 story was debunked oh the haitians are not uh abducting get it like spell it like a duck they're

00:42:53.900 not abducting local wildlife and pets like to eat them that's not happening but no one ever said

00:43:00.400 they were no one i spoke with ever alleged the following that they're actually eating cats or

00:43:07.500 eating dogs that was the kind of a meme plex that was created from the story and again i believe

00:43:13.560 because of the autocorrect i think happened somewhere in the telephone game chain all the

00:43:19.540 way up into the Trump campaign. No one ever said anything about dogs. It was always ducks.

00:43:24.200 Well, the story was, and I believe that it's due to practice of the voodoo religion and the animal 0.99

00:43:31.880 sacrifices that they regularly do. Animal sacrifice is very much a common practice in Haiti and within 1.00

00:43:38.140 that culture, within the religious, you know, there's an old saying that the Dominicans have,

00:43:43.080 who I interviewed, by the way, what are Haitians actually like in their culture? Why don't you

00:43:47.900 talked to their next door neighbor on Hispaniola, the Dominicans. No one ever had as part of this 1.00

00:43:53.540 story, so I did. And they have a saying, the Dominicans, that their Haitian neighbors are

00:43:59.420 50% Protestant, 50% Catholic, 100% voodoo. And that's what seems to be the case, is that the 0.96

00:44:08.740 animal abductions and killings occurring were for the practice of voodoo. Now, typically it's 0.94

00:44:15.380 killing goats as part of the religion, goats or chickens. But if goats or chickens are not

00:44:21.240 available to sacrifice it to various voodoo spirits, because they believe they have to, 0.53

00:44:25.120 as part of the religious practice, their spirits and whatnot require blood sacrifice. 0.93

00:44:32.180 It's like, guys, it's 2026. What are we doing here? So some of these spirits, they will allow

00:44:39.680 other animals to be used. The impetus for me to do this book was back in January. I spoke with

00:44:46.300 the Springfield landlord who had previously rented two Haitians. And I mentioned the large 0.99

00:44:52.680 numbers of Haitians, usually all single men living in a single house, this one single family home 0.69

00:44:58.360 to a family, a small family of Haitians. Well, it turns out they then sublet to a total of 15. 0.99

00:45:06.520 So there's 15 people living in a house and he has to evict them because for some reason, their living environment was stripping everything down to the studs.

00:45:18.040 I hear stories of removing toilets and they just go in, you know, just go in like to the hole in the ground, like remove the toilet in some of these, some of these houses.

00:45:26.080 I was shown pictures and I got to see one of these places and it looks like a zombie apocalypse happened 20 years ago.

00:45:32.440 like all the countertops are gone uh all shelving all doors are gone like and when did they move out

00:45:39.880 last week did it like take everything with them imagine everything is gone and there's holes on

00:45:46.780 the walls and holes in the ceiling you can see from the first floor up to the second floor

00:45:49.980 like what what are we doing here guys what's happening what the hell in any case this

00:45:55.640 particular house, he believed that they were basically breeding mice. He said that there

00:46:02.700 were approximately 100 mice kept in containers all around the house as if they were intentionally

00:46:10.820 raising and growing and breeding mice, probably not to eat, but he suspected possibly it was

00:46:17.020 voodoo practice that was there. There have been dead pigs, dead cats, dead ducks, dead geese.

00:46:25.640 there's a video that a fellow named Taylor Hanson was sent and we found the apartment,

00:46:29.940 found the people that were interviewed that originally took it. So the official story is

00:46:34.060 you see on camera is black gentlemen in athletic wear with a machete butchering an animal in the

00:46:40.840 front yard of this apartment complex. Okay. He's hacking away at it. The community note on it is

00:46:46.420 that this is like a racist debunked hoax or something like that. Well, it turns out it's a

00:46:51.540 butchering a pig in the front yard of a car of an apartment complex that's literally what it shows

00:46:59.000 and it's actually what happened uh there and yet if you look it up it's officially debunked i think

00:47:05.440 there's even a snopes article about this oh it's this it's a racist hoax and it's there on the

00:47:11.560 video how many more racist hoax this is what i say it was easy i talked to the person who posted

00:47:16.920 the video. Where did he get it from? Who was it? Oh, wow. Interesting. Was anyone else interviewed?

00:47:22.540 Yes, they were. Here it is on the video. This is like, what are we doing here, guys? It's so

00:47:27.900 easy to show all of this. And you just sit in any Springfield restaurant and you'll start hearing

00:47:35.240 someone talk about what they saw today. Oh yeah, Haitian blew through the fence in my front yard. 1.00

00:47:41.720 you know that that metal fence that iron fence has been there since 1900 it survived 126 years 1.00

00:47:48.820 survived all the world wars it survived every recession every depression it did not survive

00:47:53.080 the haitian immigrant influx and i heard that specific phrase we survived this we survived this

00:47:58.540 we could not survive the haitian influx and again there's no reason to impugn the motives of the

00:48:05.760 Haitians. They were promised the American dream. The TPS, the temporary protected status, kind of

00:48:12.680 meant you can be here for a little while and work. It wasn't necessarily a thing where you're going

00:48:18.980 to assimilate and live here and learn the language and all of these things because it's like, oh,

00:48:24.180 it's temporary. Maybe while things stabilize in Haiti or in your home country, the Biden

00:48:28.740 administration, a four-year-long type deal. So why would you put down roots and integrate into the

00:48:34.620 local community if you're probably going to leave maybe you will maybe it won't who knows there was

00:48:40.800 a sense of well temporary uh stay here so imagine you're you're staying in a hotel in another

00:48:47.740 country are you going to learn the language meet all the locals start putting down roots

00:48:50.900 even if it's for an extended stay like a vacation not not really not really but you'll continue to

00:48:57.240 live your life as an american kind of doing your thing you're not immediately going to adopt the

00:49:01.580 norms, values, and customs of the country in which you're staying on vacation, that's probably not

00:49:07.660 really a thing. But it's a bit of a mess. Many of the, even Republicans and conservatives I

00:49:13.800 interviewed, are rather upset with the Trump administration. They feel like they've been

00:49:17.400 forgotten. It's just, it's a rather sad story. And I did the other thing that no one else had done

00:49:24.420 that day. That little wiry fellow from Politico, he asked me what I think should be done with the

00:49:30.780 which i should what i think the uh outcome should be all this what's the solution and i said well

00:49:38.020 i don't live here why don't we why don't why don't you ask the locals what do the locals want

00:49:42.420 and if you look up there has never been a professional or academic poll

00:49:48.820 of registered voters of springfield ohio or clark county so you know what i did i commissioned and

00:49:56.360 paid for the first one. Good. And I believe the reason it had not been done is they knew what

00:50:05.040 they were going to hear. And that's exactly what we did. Now, it should be pointed out that business

00:50:10.740 leaders, community leaders, Haitian leaders, very important, and of course, your elected officials,

00:50:17.940 everybody, they continually have said since like 2023, there was a child that was killed by a

00:50:24.320 Haitian driver. A bus was turned over. I interviewed a bus driver. I interviewed eyewitnesses to this

00:50:30.420 just awful, awful scenario. And by the way, I'll come back to the poll in a moment. But the father

00:50:36.580 of the boy who was killed when the Haitian crashed into the bus and flipped the bus over and

00:50:41.960 multiple children were severely injured, which is including lifelong disfigurations of these

00:50:47.360 children, the father of that child said something to the effect of, I wish my son had been killed 0.99

00:50:56.120 by a white man. And I'm thinking, I wish his son had not been killed at all. That's the extent to 0.98

00:51:03.060 which the suicidal empathy is present in Springfield amongst the people. That said, coming

00:51:10.740 back to the poll. All the local leaders will say it's only a slim vocal minority. It's a tiny

00:51:17.660 minority that is negative about Springfield. Oh, it's a tiny minority. We love our Haitian

00:51:23.240 neighbors. They use that phrase a lot. It's a co-opted Christian idea, love your neighbor as

00:51:29.120 yourself. So because these people are master persuaders, Scott Adams lesson now enters,

00:51:34.760 they use words that people feel good about already. And they kind of take that emotion

00:51:40.160 and then put it on the other thing.

00:51:41.820 It's like a state transfer.

00:51:44.860 Love your neighbor as yourself. 0.99

00:51:46.960 Haitians are your neighbors.

00:51:48.140 Our Haitian neighbors.

00:51:49.420 We love our Haitian neighbors.

00:51:51.440 And guess what?

00:51:52.220 Around the time TPS was supposed to expire,

00:51:54.460 they had a pro-Haitian rally.

00:51:57.060 Guess what it was called?

00:51:58.380 Love thy neighbor.

00:52:00.800 So they continue to say,

00:52:02.260 we love our Haitian neighbors. 0.97

00:52:03.240 It's only a small, vocal, racist, bigoted minority.

00:52:06.160 It's absolutely not.

00:52:07.580 It's absolutely not.

00:52:08.420 I don't have the exact numbers in front of me, but approximately two-thirds of registered voters

00:52:15.100 of Springfield we polled want all Haitians deported. Of course they do. Of course they do, 1.00

00:52:21.880 you guys. All right, Joshua, we got to see. There's a number of other questions we asked,

00:52:25.660 like what have been your experience with the population in general? What's your opinion of

00:52:29.480 the Haitians, like as a community? What about your own personal individual experiences? What

00:52:34.780 are the different suggestions that have happened that you would like to see occur? What's the one

00:52:40.080 solution you believe is best? And approximately two thirds say no more TPS status and get them

00:52:45.040 out of here. And that's an overwhelming majority. And also an overwhelming majority had either

00:52:51.700 somewhat negative or very negative experience overall. But of course it was still, so it's like

00:52:58.040 80% of registered Democrats approve of the Haitian influx, and approximately 70% of registered

00:53:07.040 Republicans do not approve of the influx. It was a bit like that. Now, when you break it down by 0.95

00:53:14.620 race, race is an unavoidable topic here, obviously. A majority of African American or Black residents

00:53:24.400 of Springfield approve of the Haitian influx. A majority of whites obviously do not, but

00:53:31.480 get this, even more negative on the Haitian influx than the white voters were, were the

00:53:38.780 Hispanic, Asian, and Jewish respondents. Even more so negative than the whites, interestingly enough.

00:53:48.420 Someone in the comments describes it not suicidal empathy, but a homicidal sympathy.

00:53:55.140 This is what's interesting, is I don't, I think there's two things happening with Gadsad's

00:54:01.540 suicidal empathy here.

00:54:03.540 Mike Cernovich pointed this out yesterday.

00:54:08.200 Do they actually have empathy?

00:54:10.960 If you speak to your local NPR American family member, friend, ex-friend, more like, don't

00:54:17.580 forget the hyphen there, an NPR American. An NPR American is someone who believes the elite news

00:54:22.820 sources like the New York Times, NPR, any of the left-wing blogs that are quoted therein by NPR and

00:54:29.620 New York Times, any person who comes on as a commentator for any of these shows. Do they

00:54:35.440 actually have empathy? That is not demonstrated. I think in many cases, it's a projection

00:54:43.540 where it's something like what we witness with the TPS.

00:54:48.980 Why is TPS still in place?

00:54:50.320 It's something like that.

00:54:51.680 You are my political enemy, you Trump supporters,

00:54:53.900 you Trump voters, you Trump administration.

00:54:55.840 You're my political enemies 1.00

00:54:57.280 and you have a hard time with the Haitian influx. 1.00

00:55:01.100 Well, I hate you, therefore we need to have more Haitians. 1.00

00:55:04.680 We need to keep Haitians present 1.00

00:55:05.900 because of how much I hate you. 1.00

00:55:07.080 You don't like them and I don't like you, 1.00

00:55:08.440 so I love Haitians now. 1.00

00:55:09.780 It does seem to be something like that. 0.96

00:55:12.720 The enemy of my enemy is my friend type of scenario where it's not based on a love actually

00:55:19.080 or a sympathy. 0.95

00:55:20.020 Because think about it, if you actually sympathized with the Haitians, what would you be doing?

00:55:26.820 Well, you would be helping them go through the legal process to be a permanent resident 0.61

00:55:32.460 legally and not try to keep them in this vulnerable TPS place.

00:55:39.080 You would actually be helping them.

00:55:40.580 And I did, by the way, meet several conservative Republican Trump voters who had been doing that

00:55:47.460 with their local Haitian neighbors. Very much opposed to the overall influx, but having like 0.98

00:55:53.620 Haitian friends, Haitian neighbors who they met, who immediately they wanted to learn the language,

00:55:59.100 they wanted to assimilate, they wanted to dress American, speak American, talk American,

00:56:02.880 and become a local. Now that's, apparently that's not the vast majority from what I understand,

00:56:08.660 But there were a few individuals who wanted to be American and fully American, not even have a dual citizenship thing, but no longer be Haitian, be an American and wanted to live like it.

00:56:19.080 And some of those people, they voluntarily deported back to a different country so they could actually reapply for a status that gets them here legally and safely.

00:56:29.000 But it otherwise seems like the majority of the Haitian immigrant influx that's in Springfield and their so-called advocates are kind of trying to keep as many there as possible in a legal limbo, which makes them remain vulnerable.

00:56:46.960 And now there's this strange dynamic where all the Haitian children who were born, their power of attorney is being set up as local NGOs.

00:56:57.340 So local NGOs having power of attorney over the Haitian children, with kind of the strategy being the Haitian children born in Clark County, Springfield, remain living here. 0.60

00:57:06.800 In case when TPS status is, if it does need expire or what have you, the Haitian parents leave, the Haitian kids stay here under the NGO administrative complex as the kids of this.

00:57:22.720 The Clark County Health Commissioner at a December meeting that someone sent me a recording of, he said that the Haitian children, they're our children, they're our future, he said. 0.80

00:57:35.300 there is a minority health fair the clark county minority health fair i went to in the research of

00:57:40.360 this of course minority means what like it means i got latino asian south asian indian you know

00:57:46.580 black what have you haitian so i'm walking through the halls of the minority health fair clark county

00:57:54.480 this past i think it was march or april i'm working on the book you know and there's like

00:57:58.080 every you know everything is in haitian creole and also english there's some stuff that's in

00:58:02.300 English. I'm walking the halls, you know, minority health fair, again, very important, and I'm kind

00:58:09.580 of looking around, you know, and I see they have the honor rolls of this school on the walls. It's

00:58:15.100 hosted to the school. I see the honor rolls, and I'm looking at the honor rolls, okay, and there are

00:58:21.140 like 15 students here on this one, and this one, this one picture of all the students, the honor

00:58:24.760 role. And I just, I notice, I do a little noticing, Owen and Erica, I do a little noticing.

00:58:31.740 And I notice that I notice of the 15 honor roll students,

00:58:39.660 only four of them are white. I noticed on the next, the next honor roll, the next grade over,

00:58:47.600 17 students.

00:58:49.580 12 of them are not white.

00:58:54.000 Only five of them are white. 0.94

00:58:55.380 I go to the next one. 0.91

00:58:56.860 There's 10.

00:58:59.120 Only one of them is white. 0.94

00:59:02.700 Minority health fair. 0.99

00:59:06.020 Oh. 0.71

00:59:08.600 That's what that means.

00:59:11.300 Yep.

00:59:11.780 But at that moment, one of the only white families at the entire event walks past me. 0.58

00:59:20.120 And I realized, oh, yeah, that's going in the book.

00:59:24.380 That's going in the book.

00:59:25.500 Yeah.

00:59:26.320 More than once, a local resident told me, we are being replaced.

00:59:33.300 This is population replacement.

00:59:35.600 the intelligentsia the elite of springfield the cosmopolitan educated liberals they don't like us

00:59:43.500 they said we're the working class we're the salt of the earth people they don't like us they don't

00:59:48.980 want us they want us gone joshua with that thought because that to me is what we all see happening

00:59:59.800 you know if you're really paying attention we've all heard about this whole replacement theory

01:00:04.520 um would you come back and talk to us about that um because yeah we see it um this has been

01:00:14.500 so amazing everybody's just like riveted i mean i asked joshua one question and then i just got

01:00:20.640 to sit back which was amazing and i mean we could go on and on i always promise one hour unless we

01:00:27.560 you know say ahead of time you guys um fascinating it's the haitians of springfield it's not out

01:00:34.320 yet but it's going to be out in october you said october 6th yes it's available on on amazon now

01:00:40.400 for pre-order and the hardcover edition pre-order it you guys um so joshua can you come back sooner

01:00:45.760 than later because i think it's good to keep a flow going with this and maybe we can nail you

01:00:51.360 down next week one day no pressure you have to answer me now but that would be great um because

01:00:56.080 i don't want to forget the momentum and where we left off and everybody really really is thoroughly

01:01:01.600 enjoying this conversation. Um, it's great. Uh, I just, I think it helps us become aware of what's

01:01:08.660 happening around us. And so we don't become victims of what they are trying to do to us.

01:01:16.060 Um, very interesting, Joshua. Thank you so, so much. Um, I can't wait to get the book. Um,

01:01:24.300 you guys listen, let's do a, um, a thank you to Joshua for coming and we'll have Brandon Darby

01:01:32.220 on, on Thursday. Who's also, uh, he worked, uh, for Breitbart and he, he's, I'll give you more of

01:01:40.540 his story later, but he's very interesting and has a ton to say about what happens when you import

01:01:47.380 the third world. So this will be an interesting week for this kind of a topic. So you guys and

01:01:54.640 the animals, you guys, let's pray for all the animals after this conversation today. All right,

01:02:00.320 you guys, let's have a thank you to Scott and Shelly for allowing this show to go on. Owen,

01:02:05.080 thank you so much for being here too with everybody. Marcella returns tomorrow. Maybe

01:02:11.240 she'll give us some soccer updates and scores and you guys let's be useful i'm going to play out

01:02:17.720 with a song but joshua and um owen if you have to go feel free to jump off okay guys let's have a

01:02:24.040 closing sip to our beloved scott adams to scott to scott let's hear the basket case thanks joshua

01:02:37.440 Thank you.

01:02:43.200 If it'll play.

01:02:46.800 Let's see, you guys.

01:02:49.020 I want to hear a Scott song.

01:02:50.660 I need to do it.

01:02:53.340 Let's see which one we'll play.

01:02:55.160 Nope.

01:02:57.460 You want me to sing for you, you guys?

01:03:01.640 Oh, my gosh.

01:03:03.000 I could refresh and play a song.

01:03:05.380 No, thanks.

01:03:06.280 or I could sing for you or we could just say goodbye here right now. Thank you, YouTube and

01:03:12.900 X. I'm going to say goodbye to you guys first. Appreciate you guys being here. And

01:03:19.160 nope, I have to refresh. Let's refresh you guys. Stay with me.

01:03:36.280 Let's see if this works.

01:03:55.280 Okay.

01:03:56.260 Are we back?

01:03:57.160 Are we back?

01:03:58.000 Are we back?

01:04:03.560 Hmm.

01:04:06.280 oh, okay. Glad the center of your head comment didn't throw you off.

01:04:16.740 What about the center of my head? Now I need to know.

01:04:23.180 Okay. I'm going to play a song. You guys, um, wasn't that great. I just, you know,

01:04:28.360 I had clips and news and I didn't pre-plan with Joshua, but I was like, let's go

01:04:34.300 reunited and it feels so good. Tim, you never left. All right. I'm going to read your chat.

01:04:44.940 Don't mix your, oh, I saw that. I won't. Okay. Thank you. Yes, yes, yes. Okay. Let's do, 0.96

01:04:52.680 all right. Let's take a quick vote. No, let's do basket case theory. If it works, it works. Let's

01:04:56.860 try it everybody do you ever feel to yourself

01:05:21.360 man i am so weird if anybody found out how weird i am i'd be in trouble because man i'm so weird

01:05:31.340 well i would like to introduce to you the basket case theory something i developed when i was a

01:05:38.140 young man to explain what i was witnessing it goes like this if you meet a stranger

01:05:45.180 could be somebody you want to date or just somebody you work with maybe just a friend

01:05:49.940 When you meet them, don't they seem pretty complete?

01:05:54.420 Have their act together pretty well?

01:05:56.440 Man, that stranger.

01:05:58.160 I wish I could be like that stranger because that stranger doesn't have anything weird about them.

01:06:03.800 They've got their act together and on the inside pretty confident and pretty capable.

01:06:10.160 And then time goes by.

01:06:13.780 And you learn more about your date or your friend or your co-worker.

01:06:18.320 And suddenly, there's a flaw

01:06:21.840 Oh, I didn't see that on day one

01:06:24.300 But there does seem to be a flaw

01:06:26.640 Maybe a little weirdness

01:06:28.640 Day 10, looks like there's more than one flaw

01:06:32.020 Two years later, well, I guess everybody's all done

01:06:35.780 That's the best case theory

01:06:40.580 Everybody looks good until you get to know them

01:06:47.620 Once you get to know a human being

01:06:51.100 There are always basket cases

01:06:52.780 Well, I guess everybody's talking about that

01:06:55.320 That's the basket case theory

01:06:59.800 Everybody looks good

01:07:04.860 Until you get to know them

01:07:06.840 Once you get to know a human being

01:07:10.300 There are always basket cases

01:07:12.000 Always

01:07:13.520 Just different kinds of baskets 0.99

01:07:16.620 as soon as you realize that every fucking person is a basket case you're free 0.99

01:07:25.260 you're free 0.99

01:07:27.780 what is it that bothers you more than anything as long as you're healthy and you have a job

01:07:37.300 What bothers you more than anything

01:07:43.360 Is what people think of you

01:07:45.340 Or what you think they think of you

01:07:47.740 Or what they might think of you

01:07:49.960 Or how they would treat you

01:07:51.260 If you did this embarrassing thing

01:07:54.980 You're not better than me

01:08:02.560 That's good case theory

01:08:04.640 You're not better than me

01:08:07.140 There's just people you don't know that well

01:08:09.680 That's it

01:08:11.280 There's nothing else to the story

01:08:14.340 You just don't know them that well

01:08:16.700 If you did

01:08:21.100 You wouldn't be impressed 0.99

01:08:23.500 Everybody's fucked up 0.99

01:08:26.260 That's the best we can't say right 1.00

01:08:31.060 Everybody looks good

01:08:36.060 Until you get to know them

01:08:38.020 Once you get to know a human being

01:08:41.520 They're always bad

01:08:42.700 Well, I guess everybody's locked up

01:08:45.480 That's the best in case theory

01:08:50.200 Everybody looks good

01:08:55.260 Until you get to know them

01:08:57.280 Once you get to know a human being

01:09:00.700 They're always bad

01:09:06.060 Thank you.

01:09:36.060 I love it too, you guys. I love it too. And shout out to Akira who has gifted us the songs and has

01:09:45.900 given me permission to play them for you anytime, anytime I want to. And I love it. Sometimes I just

01:09:54.060 need to hear him and I think we all feel the same way. Thank you, you guys. Oh, and somebody made

01:10:01.920 great thumbnails today for this show, but I didn't get them until this morning. So if anyone ever

01:10:10.280 wants to make the little AI thumbnails for us, they just have to be a YouTube friendly, meaning

01:10:15.720 I think the size and the gigabytes, I'm making up words, but we would love them because I try to do

01:10:25.040 a different one every day. Okay. You guys are the best. That was heavy today. I felt that that was

01:10:29.720 a heavy show. I get very worked up and frustrated. And you know me, I could go on a rant, but someone

01:10:35.340 always stops my rant, which I appreciate because I'll just keep going. But okay, you guys, I'm

01:10:41.340 going to go feed the cat that the people, the Haitians in Ohio would starve if they tried to 1.00

01:10:47.080 eat Stella. There's nothing going on there, but I'm going to go stuff her with some special kidney 1.00

01:10:54.200 failure food. Oh my goodness. All right, you guys, let's see. I know Dr. Von Hardy has been 1.00

01:11:01.140 making me amazing thumbnails. So please, please, please. We are more informed. Okay. Super heavy

01:11:08.620 and emotional topic. Nothing wrong with a good rant. You know it. Thanks, Bart. All right, guys.

01:11:14.920 Bye-bye, bye-bye, bye-bye, bye-bye. Love you guys. I'll see you tomorrow with Marcella.

01:11:20.260 Yippee. All right. Say bye. I don't want to, I don't want to click off on anyone while they're

01:11:26.600 saying something. I hate that. I feel bad. Okay. See you tomorrow. Love you.

01:11:33.480 I'll give her a hug tomorrow. I'll give her a big soft squeeze.

Real Coffee with Scott Adams - June 23, 2026

The Scott Adams School - 06⧸23⧸26 Joshua Lisec Joins Erica and Owen. News & Nonsense

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