00:10:12.820So when I see the people over here saying,
00:10:14.960no, Bernie, you can't have what you want because we'll
00:10:19.020turn into this, that's not a sensible argument because we
00:10:23.040have examples of people who have what Bernie wants us to have and they're not
00:10:27.140falling apart. But here's the problem.
00:10:31.260Why is it that the UK and Canada can have those
00:10:34.980things and yet we seem to think we can't afford it here?
00:10:39.400Here's why. Because we have a huge military.
00:10:43.180If the United States did not have an enormous military, could the UK and Canada have what they have?
00:10:52.380Probably not, because if we didn't have a huge military, they would have to have one,
00:10:59.280or they may have already been conquered or in a war with somebody else.
00:11:03.820So because we've put a priority on military spending,
00:11:07.920I suspect that that allows some of the free riders to give free health care.
00:11:14.200So it's not really ever an apples and oranges conversation.
00:11:18.500The only reason that they can do what Bernie wants is because we spend so much on the military.
00:11:24.120Now, if they were to do what President Trump suggests, let's say the NATO folks,
00:11:30.160If they were to substantially increase their spending so that we could at least draw down our spending over time, their economies might suffer a little bit.
00:11:42.740Ours might be able to give us some of the things that they enjoy.
00:11:46.720Now, there's, of course, the issue of whether any of this is better than what we have.
00:11:52.020But in terms of why they can have these things and we can't, it's probably because of the military, and our military is so large that we can protect them, and they become a little bit of free riders.
00:12:06.900Now, I tweeted around a quote of mine from earlier, which is the belief that capitalism can get you what socialism wants faster than socialism can get it.
00:12:22.020So socialism, the bad kind, where you got rid of your capitalism and you've got a top-down centralized system, that's not going to get you what you want.
00:12:34.860Just wanting it isn't going to get you what you want either.
00:12:38.360You need to create a lot of money, and you need a lot of ingenuity, and you probably need something that's closer to,
00:12:46.060I'm going to call it a Mark Cuban way of approaching it, which is to look at it sort of like an engineer and to say, how can you have a capitalist system that can get you as close as possible to inexpensive universal health care?
00:13:01.880How can you get as close as possible to having some kind of low cost or free college for people who want it without without getting into this left area that you don't want to be?
00:13:13.480Of course, nobody wants to be over here in fascism.
00:13:16.080So all I wanted to add to this conversation
00:13:18.920is that when the people who are in favor of capitalism
00:21:59.760Yeah, so the people over here who love capitalism will say, even if you get into this range, you've given up freedom because you're being taxed, you know, maybe involuntarily and you're told you can't have the health care you want and you're being forced to do stuff.
00:22:15.380Terrible argument because you already live in a country in which you are forced to do all manner of things.
00:22:21.960I mean, you have to drive a certain way, you've got to get a license for this, a tax for that,
00:22:27.460you've got to get approved for this, you've got to get a certified for that.
00:25:10.660I love it. I love the interaction with the chat. And the same applies here. I will be
00:25:15.540deleting a couple of people today after the show. Heads up. Okay. So, Owen, I'm going to come to
00:25:22.880you first. Like, imagine if Scott- I'm holding on. I'm holding on.
00:25:28.280Oh, my God. I mean, like, who knows what Scott would be saying now versus seven years ago,
00:25:35.380because holy shnike, we have really dipped a leg into the socialism pool now. So, oh my gosh,
00:25:45.900just give me your thoughts, whatever you're thinking. Well, I mean, if I were talking with
00:25:49.440Scott or responding to that, I would say like, well, first of all, I am a little triggered too
00:25:53.840by this topic just because it's something that I care a lot about and I've thought a lot about.
00:25:58.320And I think for the most part, I agree with most of Scott's arguments in the sense of like,
00:26:05.380You know, it's not like black and white. You don't want to use black and white thinking and say the only options are total socialism and total capitalism. And we aren't a total capitalist society. And health care is a great example. We're very close to socialist health care already. We have the Affordable Care Act. Some people call it Obamacare.
00:26:25.840it forces all these health insurers to cover a whole bunch of stuff that instead of having
00:26:31.140freedom of what you want covered and what you don't it gives subsidies to poor people and it
00:26:36.600takes more from the rich people so it's redistributing wealth as part of that and
00:26:40.820there's lots of rules that have been placed for a long time where if you go to an emergency room
00:26:45.260they have to treat you even if you don't have insurance even if you can't pay and um you know
00:26:51.140there's a lot of things in our system that are are government controlled and socialist there's
00:26:56.380another part of is the supply of doctors that there's only a certain number of residencies
00:27:00.960and the government sets that number and they have not changed it in many decades so the number of
00:27:06.240doctors that are created every year which is constrained by the number of residencies they
00:27:10.020can have to get trained is artificially controlled by the government and if you release that or
00:27:15.980increase that you would have more doctors and it would probably be cheaper because you would have
00:27:20.660more doctors and they complain about having you know not enough doctors in rural areas and things
00:27:25.640like that but they're creating that situation by having essentially a socialist element of that
00:27:32.640system and the same is true with all the other things that i think most of you probably know
00:27:37.620are somewhat socialist like social security and medicare and i mean it there's the list goes on
00:27:42.980and so i don't know how different we really are from some of the countries like uk and canada i
00:27:48.340know it is different in the sense they just say it's universal and it's paid for through taxes
00:27:52.260as opposed to being you know through buying health insurance but you know that part probably isn't
00:27:59.460really that important or different i think the i do think that a lot of things about those systems
00:28:05.980are worse one of which is there aren't as many incentives to do research and development because
00:28:11.580they can't make as much money when they develop those things and so they do piggyback and free
00:28:16.740ride off of our research and development for a lot of the medical care that they use and another
00:28:22.120thing that I've seen plenty of stories about is that under the UK and the Canada system it's very
00:28:27.060hard to get health care you have to wait a long time to see a specialist you might wait six months
00:28:31.520to see a specialist to get your knee fixed or to have your procedure whatever it is and some people
00:28:37.860might even be offered you know medical assistance and dying in Canada as opposed to waiting six
00:28:43.380months or a year to have their pain or their condition fixed. And some people I've even seen
00:28:48.620stories where someone with cataracts who couldn't see was told, well, you're retired, you don't
00:28:54.660work, so you don't need to see. So we're not going to pay for your cataract surgery.
00:28:58.940Now they're like, you don't need to see him. Would you like to die?0.68
00:29:01.900Yeah. And so there are a lot of problems with those systems. And I don't know if they're
00:29:06.960completely bankrupt, but I would say that that's what happens under a socialist system in those
00:29:11.560countries is that when you say you can basically use as much as you want and it doesn't cost you
00:29:16.580anything well of course we're going to cover anything we consider cosmetic which you know
00:29:20.900that already happens here too and but like they're they start taking things off the list or making
00:29:26.860conditions like i said where it's like certain people can't get certain procedures because they
00:29:30.600have to ration health care because that's the only way to control the cost and so you end up
00:29:35.980rationing health care and you say now you got to wait a long time to see your doctor or get your
00:29:40.820thing fixed and it just becomes like a you know much worse health care system and then what
00:29:47.400happens is the rich people come to america or find their own private health care and they get
00:29:52.180seen right away and the poor people are stuck with the substandard health care and so you're
00:29:56.420not even helping the poor people that you supposedly are trying to help by this system
00:30:00.240you're you're giving them worse health care but they would have otherwise aside from the health
00:30:06.740care i mean look at how far we've gone into socialism now like beside that you know like
00:30:13.380he's like as long as you know canada's fine um i see bj in the chat i think you'd agree canada's
00:30:20.260not fine um gad sad would agree montreal galaxy uh mike burt but you know i it was just interesting
00:30:31.700wait let me let me go to marcella first and get her take because if you guys could have seen us
00:30:35.700behind the scenes where marcella's going like like her head's exploding i'm like laughing i'm
00:30:41.340like oh my god it is so crazy different now let me let me get marcella and i'll come back to y'all
00:30:46.240and go ahead i think you know i i'm surprised i didn't get banned by scott at that time i probably
00:30:54.360was like you're wrong um but i knew better not to say that because i get banned but i want to say
00:30:59.760the venn diagrams kamala harris would be so happy that he showed a venn diagram um i will not debate
00:31:08.460the ideas the the specific facts that scott talks about because to me um arguably he's wrong and we
00:31:16.840can go into like the details and but since facts don't matter i won't go into that um as scott
00:31:23.440would have said i think the the idea of what he was talking about works out in regards to new york
00:31:31.780and what we're seeing in new york city happen what i think he would say about new york city kind of
00:31:37.160like he said about the uk and canada is that new york city is a free rider they are able to do and
00:31:44.940vote and have the little coffee and take their little breaks, read, you know, read about socialism
00:31:53.560and what, you know, utopia would look like because they're able to afford it because everybody else
00:32:00.080is working hard for them, kind of like the UK and Canada. He was saying about the U.S. having a huge
00:32:05.620military and then they're able to do this. I'm thinking it's the same as New York City. You can
00:32:14.560extrapolate that idea from there of what that would look like. But in regards to where we are
00:32:21.020now as a nation, I don't see ourselves in the capitalist diagram side of what was it on the
00:32:27.500right side. I see ourselves more inside where he put the UK and Canada. And we're devolving
00:32:34.800towards another side. And I think he's right about the title, fake debate. I don't think
00:32:43.000there's a debate i think that i think you know there's bubbles there's like this is the right
00:32:50.020thing and they can't people can't see the other way the other way but what i argue is reality
00:32:56.700reality is what equates who actually wins in the court of nature or whatever you want to call it
00:33:06.000the court of life um if if you look at germany and what you know east and west and if you look
00:33:15.360at haiti and the dominican republic very different type of outcomes um anytime you have0.74
00:33:23.920this type of you know when it evolves into social however he is right
00:33:28.560they just because you have free health care doesn't mean that you are in a socialist dictatorship
00:33:37.640right right but but it starts somewhere and sometimes it doesn't start with a military
00:33:46.200coop sometimes it starts with an idea like Karl Marx had back in the day so well all right so
00:33:55.660So there's much more to say about this during this show, but I want to get to a couple of clips. So what what we need to know is there were some elections yesterday and the the new Democrats, which is the Democrat Socialists of America, the DSA, you'll hear referenced, did very well.
00:34:15.800They did very well. And this means like the Chuck Schumer class, you know, who really got too woke, like they didn't stand up against the AOCs in the beginning.0.52
00:34:27.820So they lost the plot. They're doing very bad.
00:34:32.800So there's a big problem with the Democrats now because you're now if you're like a moderate Democrat, which there aren't that many of.
00:34:39.160But if you're a moderate Democrat now, you have a decision to make and you have to decide, like, do I want socialism and communism or do I need to get off this bus?
00:34:50.500And I think you need to get off the bus. So here's someone Scott liked to hear from Van Jones.
00:34:55.200I personally can't stand him, but let's have a Van Jones moment about what happened last night.
00:35:01.440Well, New York City matters because the two most exciting left-wing candidates are here, AOC and Mamdani.
00:35:09.620But also, this is the stronghold for the establishment, Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries.
00:35:14.120This is a battle between the establishment and this insurgency.
00:35:19.160And the roof is collapsing on the Democratic Party establishment tonight.
00:35:23.580If Mamdani gets a hat trick, three out of three, this is a new era for the Democratic Party.
00:35:29.880And you can't write off New York City because this is the place where both it's a power center for the establishment and the insurgency.
00:35:38.420And they're going head to head tonight. And right now, this is not no longer a movement.
00:35:43.200This is a movement and a machine at the same time. And there's just no way to sugarcoat this.
00:35:49.060If Mamdani pulls off the hat trick is a new era in Democratic Party politics.
00:35:53.460Well, and if you're a moderate Democrat who's on the election, who's on the ballot this November, Van, I mean, they're all going to get asked about the positions that we're hearing from from these other fellow Democrats.
00:36:05.400Well, look, I think, you know, from our front line, Democrats will be able to make their case for themselves.
00:36:10.140I think they'll be able to do OK. We got a lot of national security Democrats in other parts of the country.
00:36:14.600But this is a this is a big deal tonight. And I think that, look, I don't know.
00:36:19.860I don't know what you what you want me to say here. It is a straight up battle between the establishment and the insurgency and the establishment is getting its butt kicked tonight in New York City.0.97
00:36:31.680Yeah, that's pretty scary. So before we even get into that, did he get the hat trick?
00:36:36.900Let's hear from this is from Harry Enten. Let's listen to Harry Enten.
00:36:43.400This is another good one. And then we'll we'll come talk about it.
00:36:45.720Well, among Democrats themselves, the Democratic Socialists of America have a higher net favor
00:36:52.280than the Democratic Party does, at least those who are members of Congress.
00:38:40.240All right. So you can see how it's shifting. And now people, I mean, remember, tongue twide, I said, remember back in the day you would talk about socialism? And it was kind of like almost under your breath because it was like, nobody's a socialist. Kind of like how you were like, oh, nobody would ever call somebody a Nazi and nobody would ever just accuse someone of being racist.
00:39:04.440And now it's like, you know, pull the tablecloth out. This is where we're at. OK, so, Owen, I'm going to come to you on this one. Pretty amazing on how far the pendulum has swung for the Democrats. Where do you see this going?
00:39:20.600well i mean i just put in grok to just understand like what are the policies these people are
00:39:26.560actually pushing i think the medicare for all is part of it so health care is a big piece of that
00:39:32.060but they also want some sort of green new deal with public ownership so they want you know to
00:39:37.360take over the energy industry they want to have wealth taxes um they want to of course push unions
00:39:43.820and labor rights and all those sorts of things they want to consider housing as a right um they
00:39:49.780We want to have what they call criminal justice reform, which of course means, you know, defund
00:39:54.300the police and all that sort of thing.
00:45:04.880DSA handpicks street agitators, turns them into political candidates and backs them into office where they can be controlled to push DSA's extremist agenda.
00:45:14.620As an organizer, I tell people to organize me.
00:46:27.240Marcella, that was pretty horrifying, wasn't it?
00:46:31.600Yeah, but I wanted to talk about, um, the fact that they are doing this, the fact that
00:46:38.740they're growing this much when I see it and I actually know people that are part of DSA
00:46:44.740and it's brainwashing but it's so it's so well done yeah it's very persuasive and I have to say
00:46:58.440that they make these individuals who are usually very young college either in college or right
00:47:05.340after mostly right after college where you know their degree in our our degree is not panning out
00:47:14.780they're not getting any jobs they have to pay their loans whatsoever then they come into this
00:47:20.940point in their life that it's like oh nothing turned out i'm nothing you know and then there's
00:47:26.780this organization telling you hey you're one of us you can become something we'll recruit you
00:47:34.220we'll put you in office and and you know you'll do a you make a difference when when you are part
00:47:41.580of these groups they're not saying we're going to take over the means of production like a Karl
00:47:49.340Marx would say they're trying they're telling them we're fighting the ridge we're fighting for
00:47:55.020fairness we're fighting to for equality and justice and all the emotional branding stuff
00:48:02.140that you would get and it is appealing when you have nothing in your life going on for you you
00:48:09.100remember we're in a we're in a world now where post covet we're in a world where
00:48:15.500um people are the most lonely they've ever been um they are most most of them are not in a
00:48:23.740relationship they're not in um they don't have children they don't have a significant other so
00:48:31.260they see this as a family as kind of like where they go to to feel like you know so it's it's
00:48:40.140like a gang culture yes but but but it's even worse than that because they they they they
00:48:49.340think they're doing good for the world you know so they have this idea but what i what i would
00:48:55.900suggest is who is behind the essay because it when i looked at what you showed me right now
00:49:05.260it reminded me it didn't come to me until you showed this video erica is that you reminded me
00:49:11.420of latin america whenever el salvador was having the civil war with the guerrillas in and the
00:49:19.100the Sandinistas in Nicaragua, and then you have Chile where Allende took over and then Pinochet
00:49:28.800came in. But it reminded me of what the CIA did or may have done allegedly in these countries in
00:49:41.120order to destabilize the country. So this is kind of, I'm not saying is the CIA doing this,
00:49:46.440But it seems like it's the same play being done to the United States.
00:49:51.680It reminds me of how Obama got recruited.0.57
00:49:56.940And just I don't want to divert onto this, but I didn't know this till yesterday that at his presidential library opening in the third row was Bill Ayers and Dorn, terrorists from the.
00:50:12.960What are they called? The Weather Underground.
00:59:58.220they need to be things that inspire you that make you glad to be to wake up in the morning
01:00:04.860and be part of humanity that's why we did this
01:00:12.940this guy called tsiolkovsky one of the early russian rocket scientists the great saying
01:00:19.420earth is the cradle of humanity but you cannot stay in the cradle forever
01:00:23.100It is time to go forth, become a star-faring civilization, be out there among the stars, expand the scope and scale of human consciousness.
01:01:56.500two epidemics that are interacting with each other one is the loneliness and the other is narcissism
01:02:03.780I believe narcissism has gone from something that people had and you could stay away from them
01:02:10.980to something closer to an epidemic and I think social media has done that. What I've learned
01:02:16.820about this narcissism thing is I used to think it was people who thought they were great. I used
01:02:24.100to think it was people who thought they were great, this narcissism thing. It's not about people
01:02:28.980It's about people who have broken self-esteem, and the way that they deal with their broken self-esteem is by belittling other people, one-upping them, bragging, putting them down, shutting them down, thwarting them in any way you can.
01:02:47.540Now, I used to look at those people because they're everywhere, but man, are there more of them?