00:08:29.380If they were an attractive female,1.00
00:08:31.020the groups kept them and sexually exploited them for money,1.00
00:08:34.480or if they were sometimes just workers,
00:08:37.320and the groups would keep them as, you know,
00:08:39.960really no other way to say it other than slave labor, right?
00:08:42.980So people who were able to escape that, you know, then they have to testify against people, right? And so I would keep them safe for a little while until the U.S. government got their act together and could provide funding for the witnesses, right?
00:09:01.660and in the process of that i started realizing that everyone the government was going after
00:09:08.340were these like low-level people involved in the human trafficking and i was like but what about
00:09:13.080these guys in mexico you know like they uh that guy headed this he keeps getting implicated in
00:09:20.320all of these cases right and we're going after all of the underlings why don't we go after that guy
00:09:25.660and they're like well we can't go after that guy i'm like what do you mean you can't go after that
00:09:28.880guy and they're like that's a that guy's very connected to mexico he's a cartel boss he's this
00:09:34.620and i'm like what do you mean we can't go after that guy you know and that bothered me so i started
00:09:41.660looking into exactly because my whole life right i've been an organizer and activist and that's
00:09:47.460what i do right as i look at a situation that seems insurmountable where people i feel people
00:09:53.000of being done wrong. And I find a clever way, even if it rocks the boat, hopefully it does rock the
00:09:59.400boat, to hold those people accountable. And so I decided to go after those guys. And I decided that
00:10:06.440enough people already wanted to kill me and were mad at me for things I had done. There were enough
00:10:11.880Palestinian groups who were mad at me because I spied on them when they were funding suicide
00:10:18.320bombings right there were enough radical groups of every stripe who were mad at me and i was like
00:10:24.400what does it really matter if like some other guys might want to kill me right i already have
00:10:28.560i have to live that way anyways so i just i went after him and the way i did it was uh was through
00:10:35.600media and through media attention right and to the way breitbart did it was to look for fledgling
00:10:41.920candidates or people who wanted to run for office and uh they didn't really have a lot of core
00:10:47.520issues and was to suggest that the border and cartels become core issues to that candidate,
00:10:52.980right? And we can educate that candidate and his network on his or her network on the issues and
00:11:00.200make that an issue for them in campaigning. And well, here we are today, right? So that's what
00:11:06.620we did. And the details of how we did that and how we developed writing programs in Mexico to
00:11:12.700bring attention to cartels how we navigated that i guess we'll get into today but the gist of it is
00:11:19.340is we simply we simply put our heads together and found a way to to hold cartels accountable
00:11:27.760you know to actually go after those people who were at the the leadership of the the center of
00:11:33.480these awful things that were happening in our country to people was this um part where you
00:11:39.420were advising candidates about cartel issues. Is that before or after Trump went into office?
00:11:45.460It was before. So it was before. So the Trump thing is interesting because I think Trump's,
00:11:54.000and it's not that Trump doesn't legitimately care about the border. He obviously does,
00:11:58.280right? I mean, whether you like him or dislike him, the guy cares about the issue.
00:12:04.100His network cares about the issue. Specifically, Stephen Miller cares about the issue.
00:12:09.420But I can say that I think at the time, you know, Breitbart was, you know, Andrew had passed away. Breitbart was headed by Steve Bannon. And Steve Bannon and Trump were talking long before Trump ran for office, right?
00:12:25.320And I think it was Bannon who really pushed the border as his key issue.
00:12:31.980And, you know, again, I'm not really that political as a person.
00:12:53.420and people can argue that they're like what are you talking about like we all know what I'm talking
00:12:57.440about like I don't like the things you have to do and so I generally avoid that but but but having
00:13:03.920a candidate who cared about the issue the whole cartel thing was interesting because
00:13:07.700at the time I was you know I felt like what I had went through having worked undercover with
00:13:16.060FBI and testified I felt like border patrol agents were were being treated the same way I was treated
00:13:22.780by media, right? They had no voice. And there was an organization called the National Border Patrol
00:13:28.860Council, which was the union that represents Border Patrol agents. And I decided that we would
00:13:36.440just give them a voice, you know, to counteract what, you know, give them a voice in a space where
00:13:41.820they didn't have one. And so during 2000, I guess it was 14 or 15, they were really intensely behind,
00:13:51.240And, you know, they liked John McCain and they liked Ted Cruz, right?
00:13:56.500And so what happened was they ended up endorsing Donald Trump when it was just Trump and Cruz left.
00:14:05.120And I think that's what really pushed Trump over the edge, right?
00:14:09.660Maybe he would have won that primary anyways, but I think that played a part.
00:14:13.240And so a very significant moment was, you know, I'm trying to not get into too much of how the sausage was made, but I want to walk a line here, but I don't want to get into personal conversations.
00:14:27.560But the gist of it was is that, you know, if Trump promised to give Border Patrol agents through the National Border Patrol Council direct access to the president so that they could circumvent all of the political filters, the bureaucratic filters that happened going up through the agencies, right, so the agents on the ground would have direct access to him.
00:14:50.940And if he would commit to that openly and commit that his administration would go to war against Mexican cartels, then the National Border Patrol Council would endorse him.
00:15:02.300And I guess now, in for this interview, co-hosted with Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller came on.
00:15:10.100We had talked beforehand and he committed to all of that for the Trump administration.
00:15:16.540and uh and shortly thereafter the national border control council endorsed him
00:15:22.500took the wind out of ted cruz's sails and uh put that wind into donald trump's sails
00:15:28.740and uh and trump ultimately has like he's kept those promises yeah it comes to that for sure
00:15:38.820for sure again regardless of how people feel about him i recognize there are a million issues
00:18:47.820We just were worried about our nation's laws.
00:18:49.980We were worried about people just disregarding our nation's laws.
00:18:53.440And the idea that, like, people want a better life, yeah, sure, we want them to have a better life if they want to come here and work for it, you know?
00:19:02.080That idea is, it's like a, you know, how many of you remember being like 20 years old and you're sitting in some coffee shop, right?
00:19:12.840Maybe you smoked a bar grip or a pipe or something, I don't know, maybe not.
00:19:15.920And then you went back inside and y'all sat there all night talking about how you would achieve world peace and if the world leaders would all just get together, you know, maybe smoke what we just smoked, like, and just eat a meal and break bread and talk.
00:19:31.040We could resolve that, you know, that kind of thinking, this idealistic, uninformed thinking, right?
00:19:38.340I think plenty of people on the right, myself included, had that at one point and we had the best of intentions.
00:19:43.900But when you really put the pedal to the metal, right, you say, okay, clearly we cannot allow every person in this world, especially ones who want to kill us, especially ones who don't believe in freedom of speech, right, especially ones who want to –
00:20:04.900I mean, what if you took a country where 70% of the male population believes in female genital mutilation, and then you just immediately move them over here, let them move here to one small state, to Rhode Island, right?
00:20:19.740Like, all of a sudden, they start to influence the politics and the policies of Rhode Island, right?
00:20:24.960Because there's such a large number of people who have come at once.
00:28:26.960And someone could point out some obscure Christian group, right, who I also wouldn't want to live near because they're crazy.
00:28:34.140but I would like to point out that you would be pointing out an obscure Christian sect0.67
00:28:40.680and not the dominant culture of a religion, right? There's nothing in the dominant culture
00:28:46.700of Christianity that I find offensive. There's nothing in the dominant culture of Christianity
00:28:51.960globally that makes me feel scared. I wish I could buy whiskey on Sundays in Texas. I mean,0.86
00:29:00.320There's things like that, you know, that I think they have a role in or had a role in historically.0.99
00:29:07.180But there's nothing that makes me feel like my way of life and the things I believe in the most are threatened by overall Christian culture.0.94
00:30:21.560I came as an immigrant here due to political issues in my country.
00:30:27.760My father was assassinated there and I had to leave immediately with my family.0.99
00:30:32.660But what I notice is what you're saying is true.0.99
00:30:37.900But the other issue that the U.S. faces is the children of these immigrants are also very radicalized.0.95
00:30:48.480And they actually are allowed, you know, because of birthright citizenship or whatever it is, you know, they were born here. They've only lived here. When I talk to somebody from born from a Salvadorian here recently, they are like, oh, the Salvador is great. The United States sucks. The United States is horrible.1.00
00:31:10.440and I'm like, I wish I was completely 100% American0.66
00:31:15.440and I wish I could give up my citizenship in El Salvador.
00:36:59.280That they would never have said because they came here
00:37:01.800and maybe didn't have legal status right away or something.
00:37:04.080You have these, yeah, it manifests, I think it manifests intensely in the next generation, you know, the ones who have the legal protections to do it, who can't be deported or who can't have their, you know, their immigration papers, you know, scrutinized for inconsistencies.
00:37:21.280Yeah, like, I think that makes perfect sense.0.73
00:37:24.240And again, I, you know, people ask me all the time, they're like, why wouldn't Iran want a nuclear bomb?
00:37:29.100Or why wouldn't those people want this too?
00:37:30.740Or why would, and I'm like, I get it, man.
00:37:33.100Like, I, you know, a lot of things can be true all at the same time, right?
00:37:39.380And also, just because I may understand where someone's coming from, right?
00:37:43.660Like, so if I have one bologna sandwich and my daughter is starving and we're in a post-apocalyptic world, right, and I want my daughter to eat that bologna sandwich and someone else comes over and is like, give me the bologna sandwich.
00:37:58.440I understand why they want my bologna sandwich.
00:46:08.100And when I met Andrew, I worked undercover with the FBI.
00:46:12.940uh and you know ultimately the right the right defended me and celebrated me for having done
00:46:24.460that you know and the left attacked me for it and years later years later I uh
00:46:34.300you know the right would say how could you question the integrity of the bureau and the
00:46:38.140women who serve us you know protect us and uh the left was like no blah blah blah blah you know
00:46:43.780and then years later i'm sitting here watching and the left is saying how can you attack the
00:46:48.880integrity of the fbi and the right is attacking the fbi right you know and uh i'm like oh my
00:46:55.180like whiplash right like watching how faiths change in society based on what benefits that
00:46:59.920particular network political network at the time right right so people are going to like this but
00:47:06.860The only way that we're not going to get blown up, you know, by people like that, it's going to be through law enforcement keeping an eye on what they're doing, right?
00:47:17.580If not everyone, but people who say crazy things, people who do crazy things, people who insinuate they're going to do crazy things, that's how most bomb plots and death plots from that community are caught.
00:47:34.560it's because someone in that community says something right to law enforcement and then
00:47:40.200law enforcement infiltrates those organizations that's how it happens right um that's ultimately
00:47:46.500what's going to happen at any time you have a long-term investigation right like so a local cop
00:47:52.380sees you do something and they arrest you for it a federal agent no like what they do is they see
00:48:00.700do something and then they wonder how many other people are involved and how deep does the plot go
00:48:05.980so what they do is they watch you right that's that's what they have to do whether it's creepy
00:48:11.580or not that's that's the reality of what goes on and anytime you have an investigation like that
00:48:19.260you're going to have long-term involvement of informants or confidential human sources
00:48:24.300operational sources you're going to have long-term law enforcement involvement which means
00:48:29.020off the get-go every possible defense is going to be entrapment there's no way around the fact that
00:48:36.380any good defense attorney is going to claim that because it's always grayish right it's always
00:48:41.260there's always that possibility maybe they were trapped we don't know like there's always that
00:48:45.740right and because there was such a long-term investigation almost every case is going to end
00:48:52.620with a plea deal get it because there's so much evidence against you there's so much overwhelming
00:48:58.780evidence, you have no choice but to take a plea deal. So then once that's done, everyone comes
00:49:07.060back and is like, well, the informant entrapped him, you know, or maybe the informant entrapped
00:49:12.980him. Well, why does everyone, why does the government force everyone into plea deals
00:49:16.340as to let them have their day in court or, you know, and we start this stuff. We did
00:49:20.420it as a movement. We did it ourselves in 2000. We did a lot on January 6th. I know the vast
00:49:32.020majority of people who were there were not violent people. I know they were there protesting. I know
00:49:36.560a lot of innocent people got caught up in that. I know a lot of the people who went in the Capitol
00:49:41.160went through the front door and thought they were allowed to, right? I know that. But I also know
00:49:47.060that there were people there who were trying to do some stuff that we can't be allowed to,
00:49:50.600right? Let's be honest about it. Same thing with the left at the 2008 Republican National
00:49:56.840Convention. The vast majority of the Democrats there protesting, they weren't a part of that
00:50:01.760stuff. Was there a small group of people using that ignorance and that energy to try to do some
00:50:08.340really bad things? There were, right? You get it? There were. And so we have to, one, is kind of
00:50:16.100step back and realize what is actually necessary for us to keep ourselves safe now that we've0.92
00:50:22.240brought in millions upon millions of Muslims and the best data suggests 25 to 27 percent of them0.99
00:50:29.160are sympathetic towards us getting killed and we offend their religion, right?0.94
00:50:35.100What do we have to do now to keep ourselves and our children safe? And the solution of that case0.74
00:51:09.240You know, we probably have to stop attacking law enforcement as a whole every time somebody we might sympathize with gets in trouble for something crazy.
00:51:20.800Give them more power and also understand you guys not to be a Debbie Downer, but, you know, these communities are also infiltrating law enforcement.
00:51:47.580I think politically, right, and culturally, we probably need to be a little more presumption of support before we just pick them apart when it's politically convenient.
00:52:02.040Because that's going to be what keeps us safe.
00:52:04.060I mean, you know, someone talked to me the other day
00:52:06.160and they said, well, you know, most political deaths
00:52:08.680that occur since 2002 are from the right.
00:52:12.660And I said, okay, hold on, hold on there.
00:53:03.080The right, if somebody's a nut job or crazy, they tend to do things very alone. We're individualists. We're not collectivists. We tend to not include a bunch of people into whatever we're doing. I don't include a bunch of people into my economic well-being. I'm responsible for myself. You're responsible for yourself. He's responsible for himself. She's responsible for herself. We're not collectivists.
00:53:28.600So we tend to do things alone. So so that makes it if only one or two people know about something bad that's going to happen, you're not going to find out about it until after it happens.
00:53:39.720Right. But just because law enforcement is very successful for the most part in preventing left of center violence plots because of these dynamics I just discussed, doesn't mean that nobody said anything or had law enforcement not been there, that there wouldn't be more acts of violence from the left.
00:53:57.200It doesn't mean that are from Muslims.
00:54:53.520not everyone agrees with me i recognize that um but i tend to be that way right so the idea that
00:55:01.040you know if i wore a star of david or if i wore an israeli shirt or bumper sticker the idea there
00:55:07.120are people who would want to hurt me because i have that advocacy you know yeah and uh and i
00:55:14.000want law enforcement i deserve law enforcement in this country to keep me safe from those people
00:55:19.040Right. And I think we have to start looking at things differently and having some real
00:55:23.680conversations if we want to stay safe. And I think that ultimately we just have to stop importing1.00
00:55:29.360mass numbers of people from places in the world that are very, very different from us.1.00
00:55:33.840You know, do some people come? Sure. You know, are there cases where I want there to be
00:55:40.160political asylum? Yeah, there are. But I think when you have the vast majority of people from0.85
00:55:46.160south of our border applying for political asylum after they were coached by mexican cartel0.99
00:55:54.080transnational criminal networks on how to do so i think we have a problem you know what i mean
00:56:00.800so scott would always say to us to be useful you know be useful that was his motto he lived his
00:56:07.520life that way till his very last breath uh literally um what is something based on our
00:56:14.800conversation today that we can do to be useful to help preserve our way of life and our country
00:56:22.000and our freedom and our safety well i think the biggest thing is is being informed right
00:56:28.800let's talk about news editor i used to be i still write i used to be a writer right i used to be a
00:56:33.840journalist and i still am a journalist but at that time i would write about a situation okay
00:56:40.000As an editor, I still do that, but my job is to understand the context that situation occurs within that someone who works under me is writing about and to make sure that we're best informing our readers, okay?
00:59:59.840I'm not going to give you the details.
01:00:00.860But when I pulled up to this wreck, there were people circling this at a distance, right?
01:00:08.120But no one was actually trying to help.
01:00:11.820Until I ran and jumped on the vehicle and started trying to pull someone out, then all of a sudden, all of the people around me started to do it.
01:00:19.800You know, they all started helping, right?
01:00:22.060Well, that applies to everything in life.
01:00:25.520And it applies specifically to what you just asked, okay?
01:00:29.240what can you do? Be informed, right? Be sharp. And when you see something that needs to be said
01:00:37.760or needs to be done, start to try to do it. Because a lot of people around you, they care,
01:00:44.880they just need that spark, right? They need that leader to emerge and take the first step
01:00:50.940before they will. They need somebody to jump in the pool first before they'll jump in.
01:08:32.060if you want to meet people here's the best way to do it you have to join
01:08:47.180activities there is no other way to meet people and inform lasting friendships
01:08:55.100Hear this clearly. There's no other way to do it. You have to join an activity, a club, a sport, a gym, an organization, a political movement, nothing else.
01:09:10.780right you can't just make a friend like good luck you could try but i don't think i've ever seen
01:09:19.200at work hiya you know baba hearing good things about you i think we could be friends
01:09:25.600do something do something enjoy the thing make a sport form a club of your own