00:02:15.020The weekend was full of festivities and a little bit of insanity and crazy weather and all this other stuff, but we were celebrating the 250th birthday of this amazing country, America, and who better to help us wrap up all things that we've been talking about.
00:02:35.980So I asked Walter, can we chat about MKUltra? We talked about it last week, and you guys were so
00:02:43.220amazing with your feedback. Many of you had never heard about it. And Walter's like, let's do it.
00:02:48.120So Walter, are you ready to get into some MKUltra and a little bit of America today?
00:02:54.100Well, I'm always ready for everything. I walk down the street ready for everything. If someone
00:02:59.260came up to me and wanted to discuss those subjects, I'd sit down with them. But I have
00:03:03.760forgotten more than I, you know, may still know about MKUltra because it's been a preoccupation
00:03:10.660of mine since I was a college student, first found out about it in the late 70s, right after it had
00:03:16.300ended. Allegedly. Well, as I say, they change code names, they don't end things. If they work,
00:03:24.500you can be sure they're not ending them. If they don't work, they keep going trying to make them
00:03:29.280work. So I'm sure very few of these endeavors ever end. All right. Well, so Owen and Marcella,
00:03:37.340we had a lot of fun talking about this last week. Can I stop you with something? I just saw the
00:03:44.360book Chaos go up and I've got to alert the audience to something very strange. In the book Chaos,
00:03:51.680which is about the Manson family and the possible links of Charles Manson to the MK Ultra program,
00:03:56.840There is a mysterious CIA agent whose job was to penetrate the L.A. music and hippie scene of the late 60s.
00:08:20.000this could explain a lot of charade's comedy yeah when were you born charade 73
00:08:29.420wait a minute wait a minute i too okay i'm just gonna stop it there because i want to talk to
00:08:37.560you walter i love that i love charade by the way um and obviously greg so is that true that they
00:08:45.680think maybe some of the shenanigans today are linked it's true that i think it i mean let's
00:08:52.720let's be real what kind of hearings have we uh and secrets have we been privy to in the first
00:09:00.800part of the trump administration jfk assassination now we're supposedly in the middle of a
00:09:07.600disclosure about ufos it's kind of coming and going uh it's hard to say where it will end
00:09:13.120and this mk ultra business it's it's clear that the secrets of the cold war and the secrets of
00:09:19.360the american intelligence system are of some relevance to people on the inside in a way that
00:09:26.880they haven't quite revealed to us i mean yeah transparency blah blah blah you know um openness
00:09:34.160and all those other words but i think they are uh trying to how can i put it cultivate the
00:09:42.480american mind for revelations that might be disturbing and even more uh relevant to our
00:09:50.000moment than these old cia programs all right so yeah so yeah you know if one of the chief0.65
00:10:00.000goals of mk ultra was to prepare assassins to wipe minds brainwash people such that they would be
00:10:09.680willing to carry out morally repugnant acts uh it could be quite relevant we've certainly had a
00:10:16.160rash of rash of mysterious assassinations uh committed by the sort of people that mk ultra
00:10:23.280focused on young impressionable men yeah and i mean i mean this show could go so deep and so
00:10:32.720down rabbit holes based on the assassination attempts um but that's like for erica after dark
00:10:39.600nothing i don't want to link this whole group to that stuff but um it is something um actually will
00:10:46.240you tell them also when we were talking before the show about the year in vegas and what you
00:10:51.600were saying about the people that they'd bring out to the desert well in general the history of
00:10:57.760the u.s government's experimentation on its people and its citizens is uh probably as dark uh uh an
00:11:06.240episode in our history as exists in vegas they you know according to the locals and and this is
00:11:13.520affirmed and confirmed by a lot of other historical uh testimony they would pick people up off the
00:11:21.840street you know and believe me in vegas uh people on the street to be picked up are everywhere you
00:11:27.840know last night's party has left them unconscious in a corner and they would bring them on out to
00:11:33.760the what was called the nevada test site where they tested the atomic bomb and uh and and there
00:11:40.000were you know many tests it wasn't that they did it twice and use them uh as witnesses uh put them
00:11:48.960into trenches, blow up an atomic bomb, and then test them to see what effects it had. So MKUltra0.53
00:11:58.120was experimentation of another kind. It usually used things like LSD, hallucinogenic drugs,
00:12:05.300sleep deprivation, extreme sexual stimulation was another one. I thought one of the most
00:12:12.120interesting uh aspects of the new hearing was this testimony about a program called midnight climax
00:12:20.920in which the uh cia basically had observers behind one-way glass or some other sort of veil
00:12:29.240watching men cavort with prostitutes and then it would drug them with lsd and i don't know
00:12:36.840observe even more closely what they did what they said what they wanted well the the witness
00:12:44.520uh in the hearings said that in fact they never really harvested any useful information from this
00:12:50.760program but the agents involved did sleep with the prostitutes quite often in fact they basically
00:12:59.000created an excuse for an in-house brothel i was kind of thinking the same thing and i think what
00:13:04.120kind of freaked out people that had never heard of MKUltra is that we do do some sick things to
00:13:12.840people. And I think people may have thought that's just something like in a movie or you're watching
00:13:19.220House of Cards or some other crazy movie. But again, you guys, I'm just saying it because I
00:13:26.180don't want my car to blow up. Allegedly, my opinion and everyone on this show that, yeah,
00:13:30.680we do really messed up things. And if you didn't know that, it's kind of a hard pill to swallow
00:13:36.240when you first start learning these things. It's very hard to experiment on the citizens
00:13:42.000of a democratic system, which is based on consent. And so you've got a bunch of options if you want
00:13:50.600to do it. And they were determined to do it because they believed that the results of these
00:13:56.140experiments would allow them to win the cold war beat communist china beat russia and so on and so0.66
00:14:02.780they either had to lie about them or they had to intoxicate or compromise people to get them
00:14:09.020involved or they had to you know use their own people which they did in many cases i mean uh mk
00:14:17.420ultra drove crazy many cia agents and and and government operatives who one of whom famously
00:14:24.780committed suicide by jumping out a window or perhaps being pushed. It's unclear. So
00:14:30.220these experiments, which I would submit, went right on through COVID. I mean, what was COVID
00:14:38.540but a mass experiment in what people would take, what they'd believe, what they'd say,
00:14:43.860what they'd do, what they wouldn't do in a so-called pandemic? As I say, the thing about
00:14:50.600mk ultra disclosure that i find a little bit one-sided is we are not getting the social
00:14:59.080psychology side we're getting the side of that sort of sexy and dramatic about people you know
00:15:04.920taking lsd or cavorting with prostitutes but we're not finding out what they learned about moving
00:15:11.960millions of people using the media which i think has been really their chief concern frankly
00:15:19.080Yeah, you want a few remote control killers, but what you really want is a population that will believe what you tell them, even though it's untrue.
00:15:30.220And techniques for doing that have been studied, I can tell you, from long before MKUltra came along and are still being studied and used on social media and mainstream media.
00:15:43.980Marcella, I saw you squirming. What did you want to say?
00:15:47.500no it's just you you brought up good points about covid and how it was you know you went from
00:15:56.000oh everything's okay to like no we must form a line we must get toilet paper we must do this
00:16:02.040we must do that and i'm wondering mk ultra was an american um experimentation on people but i'm
00:16:11.280wondering how far China has gone with experimentation on their own people.
00:16:16.260And I'm wondering whether they have their own, I'm sure they do,0.72
00:17:27.700It was about getting everyone on the same page.
00:17:30.580It was the first injection of hypnotically, because Scott was the right man at the right time in the sense that he understood hypnosis, of hypnotically induced action.
00:17:46.260It gave everybody something they could do that melded them into a great herd of, you know, lemmings.
00:17:53.640And suddenly we're all at the grocery store, looking at one another, pulling down big 120.57
00:18:00.240packs of Charmin off the shelves, pushing them in our carts, and we suddenly are operating
00:20:57.840the low point of COVID illogic for me was on a plane.
00:21:02.340And, you know, remember masks were incredibly important on planes and the flight attendant pushes up the Coke tray or the, you know, the cart and says something to me.
00:21:19.920Well, she said, what? Because I'm speaking through a mask.
00:21:23.160She said, what? So I pull the mask down and said, put the mask back up.
00:21:27.940Well, you either want to hear me speak clearly, or you want me to wear a mask, but it can't be both. And her, and was a she in this case, her sternness with me was also troubling.
00:21:44.700because what masks did was they turned us into prisoners and guards. There's a famous Stanford
00:21:51.660prison experiment, which is part of the history of American social psychological experimentation
00:21:58.380in which they divided test subjects into guards and prisoners in order to see just how sadistic
00:22:05.200they could get normal people to behave if they were given uniforms and the status of guards.
00:22:11.840And we gave flight attendants and other people the status of guards in this vast experiment.
00:22:17.200We found out that they could be stern, illogical, rather sadistic and unrelenting if given a little bit of authority.
00:22:26.080And we found out that people on planes would apologize for taking down their mask in order to speak because they were commanded to be more clear.
00:22:35.740And I don't think anybody wants to remember COVID particularly who wasn't really seriously affected by it because our behavior was so shameful, so childish, so ridiculous, and really, I think, humiliating that we've put it all in the past.
00:22:59.160And I do agree that there's enough of us now that are just like, absolutely never again0.67
00:23:05.140are we going to allow you to control the masses with nonsense.
00:23:11.020You know, yes, we thought that that was our nature as Americans before COVID came along.
00:23:17.900We thought we were rebellious, independent individualists who, you know, thought for
00:23:22.720ourselves and questioned authority and so on.
00:23:25.780We were told that that's exactly who we were.
00:23:28.000Well, we found out otherwise. And I'm afraid that the confidence of a lot of COVID skeptics, meaning people who found the whole experiment rather distasteful and horrifying, is probably misplaced because though there are a lot of people who won't get fooled again, the who song won't get fooled again is 50 years old.
00:23:51.320And we did get fooled again, meaning it's probably innate in us that we're going to respond to authority largely with submission.
00:24:00.740I hope that the vaccine aftermath will persuade more people, though, to stay strong.
00:24:09.220OK, so for me, I've disclosed this before.
00:26:40.800And in case of the vaccine, there are a lot of people who the last for whom the last thing they want to do is admit that that the government and industry mass psychology campaign convinced them to stick into their bloodstream and into the heart of their genetic material, not just their bloodstream.
00:27:04.240the the the the you know heart of their cellular makeup an unknown substance with unknown effects
00:27:13.660and and rather than and rather than admit to themselves that they were fools or that they0.97
00:27:19.120were dupes or that they were innocents or that they were exploited or that they're dying now0.96
00:27:24.900because of it they want to switch to something else you know let's get mad about capitalism
00:27:32.420See, a lot of what I see right now in the revolutionary fervor in America to find, you know, to find bad guys, Epstein, etc., not that they weren't bad, is, I think, displaced anger and displaced conflict from people who were so willingly and easily duped.0.99
00:27:56.420And they have to have something to be mad about that isn't themselves for being so damn stupid and especially so careless with their children's lives.0.99
00:28:06.960Oh, man, I know. It's so true. Owen, did you want to jump in here?1.00
00:28:10.560well it it seems kind of obvious to me in one respect how this was all a psyop because like
00:28:18.280if you remember the operation warp speed like under trump all the press started coming out
00:28:24.920early on saying i'm not taking that vaccine that's not we can't trust that it's going too fast
00:28:29.520and then the narrative completely flipped just to the completely other side saying this is safe and
00:28:35.760effective it's the you know the best thing ever and there was no you know scientific basis for
00:28:40.900any of that trump and biden that was but remember they withheld the actual vaccine until after trump
00:28:47.740was out of office yeah because the rollout of the thing uh socially you know getting people actually
00:28:55.080to sit down in walgreens and all the other places i mean in montana they vaccinated people in bars
00:29:01.300You know, imagine getting vaccinated in a little bar casino on the side roads of Montana.
00:29:08.340Well, I can tell you that's where it happened a lot of the time.
00:29:12.960They knew that Trump couldn't be trusted to actually execute on this weird program.
00:29:21.920He wanted the credit, apparently, and his own ego was big enough that he wanted the credit for its development.
00:29:28.640But there was no way they were going to trust him without actually getting it into people's bodies.
00:29:34.200And for that, they saved the automaton, the nearly malfunctioning robot, Joe Biden.
00:48:39.400What is really what you really don't want to do is get up off your ass, which I'm saying only because it's with coaches and my dad and people like that who scourged me with that.0.99
00:48:55.300The biggest the biggest asset that people like Mondani has have are the laziness of other people.
00:49:04.160And one way to cover our laziness is to say, yeah, it doesn't matter what we do or we'll be treated badly or we'll lose our jobs.
00:49:11.720We'll have a little courage and find out what happens.
00:49:15.260Yes, I fully agree that that's that's a better way of putting it.
00:49:19.520You guys, you think I get spicy, but that's the way to say it.
00:49:22.440Like, stop being lazy and don't be a you know what and just get up and do the thing and make other people uncomfortable.
00:49:29.720You know, we're watching the World Cup right now, a lot of us, whether we are soccer fans or not.
00:49:35.480Because if you go to a restaurant, it's up on the TV, especially here in Vegas, where they, you know, the betting capital of the world.
00:49:42.400And imagine one side, one of the two soccer teams deciding that it was giving up because it didn't want to be screamed at by the fans of the other side.
00:49:55.440You know, imagine one side deciding that the rules of soccer are unfair and just sitting down or refusing to come out on the field or not kick.
00:50:07.660In the end, one of Donald Trump's crude, vulgar, but I think very true behavioral lessons is you fight back, you fight back, you fight back.
00:50:23.380you don't look good. You maybe don't sound good. You maybe use coarse language, but mostly you
00:50:28.780fight. And, you know, America almost lost a civil war. I mean, the federal government of the United
00:50:35.060States, the North, nearly lost a civil war because it really wasn't willing to go dirty.
00:50:42.340When it did, it won. When Sherman and Grant and the other generals who kind of didn't give a damn
00:50:49.600and were victory at all costs type got in the seat, it won.
00:51:18.140Wait, I'm being experimented on? Well, I'm kicking over the table. You know, there's a little girl in all of us who I think is underappreciated, who when she's losing the Monopoly game, you know, sort of gets up and says, I'm not playing anymore. Well, it is very legitimate to say, I'm not playing. You're going to play my game now.
00:51:43.480yeah i love that i love that walter i'm always saying you know don't be afraid you guys and and
00:51:50.820also don't feel like you have to go up to the most radical person you're not changing that person's
00:51:55.900mind you're not changing the mind of the professional protester but there are so many
00:51:59.900moderate people that they too uh you know don't want like a confrontation but if you can like
00:52:07.440talk to people and just say listen you know what do you want your country to be taken over is that
00:52:11.780you want for your grandkids you know look around don't you see the changes and what's happening
00:52:17.060you know you don't have to you don't have to be like a walter kern or scott adams to have a
00:52:22.740discussion with somebody discuss things with people that you know and just let them know how
00:52:28.500you feel and i think also like we talked about this like for i was saying back with covid
00:52:33.540if maybe if we had said to people more like listen i'm not getting the vaccine i don't trust it blah
00:52:38.580blah, blah, blah. Maybe some other neighbors would have been like, you know what? That's a
00:52:41.700good point. And when people start to see other people having a conversation, more people will
00:52:47.420come to it. But if you only see these lunatics screaming at you and calling names, you're like,
00:52:51.880I'm not going to get involved in this. I don't want to have this drama, but have the drama.0.90
00:52:56.540Just have it enough. I like it when lunatics scream at me.0.97
00:52:59.720I mean, a lot of people don't, but a lot of people are afraid of that. I don't care either.0.58
00:53:03.400listen, Italian, New Jersey, I'm all for it. But some people, you know, they don't like the
00:53:08.080conflict and they don't want to deal with it. But you know what? Other people will hear what
00:53:11.580you're saying that aren't lunatics and maybe be like, you know what? I feel the same way too.
00:53:16.340I'm so glad you said something. I've been feeling this way. And now you've like created an atmosphere
00:53:21.680for more people to come out of the closet and say, I do want to fight for my country. And I
00:53:26.720do see it slipping away, but they won't know that you feel that way if you don't say something.
00:53:30.420the key to what you should do in any um in any conflict usually lies in doing what your enemy
00:53:40.500is doing successfully and doing it more okay um it doesn't lie in being too big for the conflict
00:53:48.280but also all you have to remember when you watch a mom donnie or somebody like that is that they're
00:53:56.320lying because your own experience tells you that America is a very different place than he's
00:54:02.160describing. I go to a gym in Las Vegas here. You know, I'm looked up at sometimes as, you know,
00:54:08.860the quintessential straight white male, the guy who doesn't know anything. And probably I have
00:54:13.800money because I went to an Ivy League college and so on. Well, I go to a gym in Las Vegas
00:54:18.540that is the biggest melting pot I ever have witnessed on the American shores. Las Vegas
00:59:33.620You can, you can be one of us, you know, because when you look at a picture of President Trump and his family and they look shiny and.
00:59:40.980wonderfully dressed you know sometimes I'm like oh can I ever look like that you know and so he
00:59:48.180he that's why I think he he it was the decisions to have those people next to him and have that
00:59:56.280desk was well he's the best looking of all of them isn't that strange he's somebody who obviously
01:00:02.460spends a lot of time at the mirror his wife too is very good looking and and they're both they
01:00:07.840They both care about their dress, their grooming, their his mustache and, you know, his his smile and his dimples.
01:00:15.840You're like, oh, yeah, he wanted a situation in which in which he could pop, you know, in which he looked even better compared to the others.
01:00:24.080But strangely, I think he blended into them rather than them.
01:00:28.480I agree. A frame is the only one sitting, too.
01:00:31.820Yeah. So the other move sitting there.
01:00:34.840You can stand and hold their flags, that oppressor.
01:00:39.480The other point I want to make while you were talking, you're just amazing the way that you talk, the way that you make someone think while you're talking.
01:00:50.380One of the things that I realized, I didn't realize it before, is you're right.
01:00:55.580Biden had to come because Trump could not lead this project of what COVID was supposed to be.
01:01:02.920And one of the things is, like, I'm thinking back to MKUltra and how you can control someone's mind so easily.
01:01:09.080You need somebody that is very susceptible to control in their mind.
01:01:15.580Because Joe Biden was a very different person before he took office.
01:01:19.220And then once he took office, I don't know.
01:01:23.780Well, he was a very different person maybe back in the 80s.
01:01:26.960But, you know, anybody who followed Joe Biden closely knew that he was burnt toast by, you know, by the time 2015 rolled around, just about.