00:20:41.540You could say that the weave of a healthy society
00:20:43.460made of the threads of mutual witnessing. Modern individualistic society breaks these threads and
00:20:48.740leaves people feeling isolated. We don't feel seen, we don't really see anyone else. I work to act all
00:20:54.340the time as though I'm being actively watched by the people I respect most in the world,
00:20:58.580and that is an effort to return to a healthier model of human society. It's also true, nothing
00:21:03.460is secret in community, really. Everything we ever do is part of us and people around us will see it.
00:21:07.700So it's good practice to act in ways that you want to be witnessed by your entire community,
00:21:11.620past, present, and future. That's integrity. But notice the differences. Surveillance is not a
00:21:18.660two-way thread of mutual witnessing. It is a one-way watching from anonymous powers far larger
00:21:25.380than you. Palantir watching you 24-7-365 is the opposite of healthy co-witnessing in community.
00:21:32.000Community co-witnessing encourages us to be better people. It is a healthy, natural, democratic,
00:21:36.380pro-social pressure. It's power together that we collectively wield to shape our communities.
00:21:41.620Corporate and state surveillance is power over.
00:21:44.620It is a vast authoritarian demon whose eyes are always on you, but who you can never fully see,
00:21:49.620shaping your behavior to align with its will, to expand its profits and power.
00:21:53.620Palantir is aptly named. For anyone who understood Tolkien,
00:21:56.620it's absolutely wild that Peter Thiel named his evil global surveillance corporation
00:22:00.620after the most famously corrupt and corrupting tools of mass surveillance in Tolkien's world.
00:22:06.620Some may argue that surveillance in a democratic system reinforces
00:22:09.620enforces the democratically decided standard of behavior. I disagree. I believe that blind
00:22:14.180surveillance is inherently authoritarian for the reasons I laid out above. But more to the point,
00:22:18.680that's not the world we live in. Statistically, for many decades, the government of the United
00:22:22.800States has passed the laws that billionaires and corporations want, not what the population wants.
00:22:27.340So no matter how you cut it, the U.S. is not any kind of democracy. I don't mean that it's a
00:22:32.440constitutional republic as opposed to a pure democracy. I mean it doesn't abide by the
00:22:36.080constitution either. In a technical sense, it is a corporate oligarchy dressing up as a democratic
00:22:40.720constitutional republic. So even if you believe that under a healthy system of governance,
00:22:45.280surveillance could be positive, we don't have that. We have a brutal corporate oligarchy,
00:22:50.560which is well down the path of becoming a full-blown authoritarian state. It is within
00:22:55.300that context that we're discussing the explosion of state surveillance driven by AI now. So let's
00:23:00.760keep the conversation in reality and not pretend that the will of corporate techno-fascist AIs
00:23:05.560behind these cameras is somehow representative of the will of the population state surveillance
00:23:10.600is an authoritarian practice always the more surveillance the less free and democratic
00:23:15.720and the more authoritarian the point of surveillance is for the rich to control
00:23:20.040the behavior of the poor only and always so act accordingly i enjoyed his little ted talk when i
00:23:29.080found it um marcella you know you're our attorney and you know what people's rights are better than
00:23:36.520most you know what do you think about what he's saying do you feel like he hits the nail on the
00:23:41.080head or do we need to be surveilled well there is room for surveillance you know each of us has
00:23:50.200cameras outside of our house to surveil the outside so there's public space and there's
00:23:55.720private space which is how fourth amendment cases are decided um your right to privacy
00:24:02.840is only to certain areas however there there was a case recently that um the court the supreme
00:24:10.600court went a different way um than uh than usual and it was regarding geo location so
00:24:18.520So your cell phone is figuring out where you are at all times, and basically they said that you have a privacy to this, that if the police is going to search for this, that they need a warrant, and if they don't have a warrant and they use it, then it's wrong.
00:24:36.420So there has to be probable cause to explain, okay, we need to reach in and find it. In this particular case, they didn't use a warrant and they, I mean, I could get the specifics wrong and the facts, but it basically, it constituted Fourth Amendment rights to, which is different than what they're used to.
00:25:01.880They're used to having you. There's been cases where trash left outside, outside of like if you put your trash can out there, there is no privacy to it.
00:25:13.960So so police can go in, look for DNA samples or whatever they want and take it away because it's a curvature.
00:25:21.680It's it's outside your house. So in regards to what he's saying, there's certain areas, you know, pursuant to law that this can be done.
00:25:31.080you can surveil people inserted in public areas right um however um if you're going to
00:25:41.560do what you say they're going to do if they're going to hear a gun and they're going to go there
00:25:46.520without uh there is there's there's there's different things that they can use uh the police
00:25:54.760can use to indicate like there is this emergency action so if you if you if there's an emergency
00:26:02.080at your house and they hear lots of scuffle and all that they can break into your house even if
00:26:07.920they don't have a warrant from a judge because to get a warrant from a judge takes like a few
00:26:12.000at least a few minutes if not an hour or more so what he's saying legally you can do now there's
00:26:22.480been cases in regards to this recordings that have a video is not always king in the courtroom
00:26:31.260um so a video of of you being there at a certain place doesn't mean that you caused the crime
00:26:38.640however they could pin the crime on you they can accuse you of that crime there was a case
00:26:46.120recently where a lady was near um she was caught on those cameras that you're talking about
00:26:53.320and her car was there and they accused her of stealing a package oh i saw that yeah and then
00:26:59.560they were like oh she stole it she was right there but they they had the actual video of the actual
00:27:05.880stealing of the package and it was a different person so and he and the police officer was like
00:27:13.240i'm a hundred percent confident it was you when he showed up at her house she was like
00:27:19.160they could say whatever they want right and that's when you were like not saying anything
00:27:23.640i want my lawyer right so um so it's it's tragic in a way that this is happening but legally
00:27:31.160speaking i mean i would think that somebody needs to sue um usually it's the aclu i know
00:27:39.000that a lot of people here don't like them um they sometimes do good you know like the the or any
00:27:45.880other entity can sue uh to make this um an issue in regards to but most likely it's a loose loose
00:27:54.520because it's a public place now the sounds that come from your house is that public
00:28:01.400so it's yeah so i i'm hoping this is the right i you know what i i'm not saying i love this but i
00:28:09.320kind of love this i love how like the hot topic word of the moment is vigilante because i keep
00:28:17.560seeing like this vigilante justice now and i'm hoping this is the right clip let me just take
00:28:22.760a quick peek camera has been cut down completely sprayed over with an american flag on it and not
00:28:28.600Not far away, there's another flock camera on the ground as well.
00:28:31.800HPD says it's investigating this, but so far, there are more questions than answers.
00:28:37.540These cameras, meant to help solve crimes, now becoming the target of one,
00:28:41.860both cut in half and covered in spray paint.
00:28:44.880Yeah, I didn't realize that the cameras were there until you actually pointed that out.
00:28:48.000Juan Rodriguez's business, Spar Houston, is located by Washington Avenue and Westcott,
00:28:54.200These are flock cameras, meant to read license plates and alert police if they're connected to crimes.
00:29:00.360Rodriguez says he didn't see who did this, but he's left wondering why they did.
00:29:05.460That's what it sounds like it would be, somebody just protesting, their rights are being violated or something like that.
00:29:10.680Flock cameras have been used in the city of Houston since 2021, according to the company.
00:29:15.680The Houston Police Department tells us they were notified these cameras were damaged on the morning of July 4th.
00:29:21.440As far as the repair costs, HPD says it depends on who is responsible for these specific cameras.
00:29:27.600While some cameras are installed through city contracts, others are done with neighborhoods or private groups that choose to share footage with police.
00:29:36.440HPD couldn't confirm who was responsible for these cameras, only saying this is an ongoing investigation.
00:29:42.820ABC 13 reached out to Flock asking if they were aware of this situation and what the repair process would look like.
00:29:49.100They didn't answer those questions, but did say, quote, damaging public safety equipment is illegal and puts the community at risk, which is why we strongly condemn this type of behavior.
00:29:59.440I think one thing that you can add to all this is, at least in California, I would have
00:30:10.580to look up New Jersey and even Canada, but is that if you are recording someone, because
00:30:17.400all of us have a recording device all the time, and we can record anyone that's near
00:30:21.900us, you actually have to inform in California that you're recording them.
00:30:27.320at your house you should probably put I should do that too should put a thing that says it that
00:30:34.500you're being recorded you know you've seen those signs that say you know smile you're on camera or
00:30:39.080something um so what this guy was saying the business owner is like he didn't even know they
00:30:45.680were there so one of the things is like how can you use this without notifying people that you're
00:30:51.800actually surveilling them. Um, yeah. And I'm going to take a picture when I, uh, go into
00:30:58.500this town again, it's right, right near me. I'm going to take a picture of the one that they
00:31:03.060installed of several of these, like along this whole stretch, they look so freaky. And I think
00:31:11.240that they're like a thousand times worse than this flock camera thing. And, um, I'm going to
00:31:16.660get the down low on it. I'm going to get out there and do some investigative journalism,
00:31:20.080because it's like enough of everybody with their cameras, with their phones, with the like, oh my
00:31:26.680God, leave me alone. And it is so true. Like, you know, you do act differently. I mean, okay. Like
00:31:31.800if it makes, you know, terrible people act a little better, that would be great. But I don't
00:31:36.440see that stopping anytime soon. But it's like, God, you know, it's like, don't tread on me,
00:31:42.260get my Gadsden flag. What do you think about all of this, BJ?
00:31:45.260I don't know. Look, I'm no fan of government surveillance, as you can imagine, being what I've gone through with certain things.
00:31:56.580But maybe I'm going to take the other side for a reason.
00:32:01.360You know, Scott always talked about he wanted to present the best argument on both sides.
00:32:07.580And I think there's a lot of things at play right now that we're not considering.
00:32:11.420I think the first thing is, if your filter for the world is everything is malicious,
00:32:17.520then you're going to be really upset about every little thing that we see.
00:32:21.380And justifiably so sometimes, of course.
00:32:24.440But what is happening in the world right now related to streets, for example, streets and highways?
00:32:30.180Well, now for the first time, we have cars that you can buy that the average person can afford that have 1,000 horsepower.
00:34:10.360They knew basically nothing about me or anybody else.
00:34:13.160And this is from like the highest levels of intelligence gathering in Canada.
00:34:17.920So I think the human factor will always show that the Dilbert filter applies to just about everything.
00:34:25.380And I think maybe there are people in government or local governments, state governments,
00:34:30.180that take a reactionary approach to, well, maybe we just need cameras everywhere.
00:34:34.780The next thing is, you know, they're going to have kill switches on cars and everybody's freaking out.
00:34:41.440Oh, wow. Yeah. Right. But you are ready. Yeah.
00:34:44.440But if you see people getting involved in high speed chases hitting 220 miles an hour on city streets and killing 10 people when they hit something, that wasn't the case 20 years ago.
00:34:56.640The technology to make a car go so fast is a relatively new advance in the auto sector.
00:35:03.300So I think there's just a lot of things, and not everything is malicious. Most things, it's just incompetence, stupidity, or reactionary thinking. And you know what is the opposite of reactionary thinking? Something that Russell Acuff gave the world that Scott Adams always talked about, which is systems thinking.0.99
00:35:20.240and because you have many people in the world that a few people that do systems thinking
00:35:24.700some of them are in government by the way and then a whole bunch of linear thinkers
00:35:28.760you just get a whole mishmash of things just don't work nearly as well as we think they are
00:35:34.360and marcella i'm guessing with your experience in law that you kind of see some there's a balance
00:35:41.540yeah yeah exactly and you know what i was thinking just now you made me think of other things you
00:35:47.240made me think um follow the money right so these companies what is it what's the well i won't
00:35:54.980mention names but the companies that sell the surveillance equipment um that's right beyond
00:36:00.660the whole scope of whether we should be surveilled or not um they need to look into that because
00:36:06.980there's probably a lot of room for any kind well and also kind of we we have that here and sometimes
00:36:13.520you know somebody's elected to office or usually a backroom person in politics they have a family
00:36:20.140or a friend member who's involved in a company they want to become a contractor so they submit
00:36:25.940an rfp and they manage to get the contract for the technology but it doesn't work and they know
00:36:31.600it doesn't work but because their business is failing but the best way to save a dead business
00:36:37.140is just get a government contract put stuff up you've done you've abided by all the terms of
00:36:41.660invoice in the contract but it doesn't actually do anything there's a lot of that that goes on
00:36:46.300in government as well i take i pretty much i'm on the opposite side of bj i understand but marcel is
00:36:53.100saying that there could be balance yes okay like sometimes cameras strategically placed can help
00:36:58.860solve crimes of course um but i am more of the like the over surveillance you know i did it's
00:37:08.300just too much and it's like this preemptive surveillance that they're doing you know there's
00:37:13.340not an issue but you're preemptively just watching everybody there's cameras on every freaking corner
00:37:19.500absolutely follow the money because as you can see in politics we have no reason to trust any
00:37:25.580of these people everybody's on the dole everybody's got someone who's lining their pockets for favors
00:37:32.300Um, and they're, and they never take anything away. So once surveillance gets put in, they're
00:37:38.220never taking it out and it's only going to go, Oh, we, we have better surveillance now. And this
00:37:42.880one's even more sensitive and this one can cover further. And so it's just, to me, the start of a
00:37:48.400slippery slope that it's just going to get wider and bigger until you eat the bugs. So, um, I don't
00:37:54.880like it. And I think leave me the F alone is how I feel. Um, and I love whoever's cutting down
00:38:02.060those flock cameras. And I hope they do it where I live. And I hope they get this big, giant
00:38:07.500nuclear bomb looking thing they put up in these towns near me. I hope they cut those down. I'm0.98
00:38:12.500not suggesting it. It's just a fantasy. And don't blame me if anyone does that. But I don't want to
00:38:18.940be surveilled. I want the police to do their jobs. I want our laws to actually work. And if somebody
00:38:28.560commits a crime, they go to jail and they stay there and they pay a penalty and whatever. I'm
00:38:33.180fully into shaming and mocking people and making them feel horrible. Like we need to go back to
00:38:40.260the basics. So that's where I'm at. I agree with you. I'm just trying to show, I'm trying to make
00:38:47.280the best argument on the other side. But my question for you is this, I think for many people,
00:38:52.800the problem is not the fact that the, you know, law enforcement, let's say, or agencies want to
00:38:58.120have better tracking so they can preemptively you know enforce I think the problem is tell me if you
00:39:03.680agree with this the problem is the lack of enforcement or choosing when to enforce and
00:39:10.360when to interpret the law based on somebody's identity genitor genitals their identity their0.85
00:39:18.800genitals like for example if you saw radical enforcement of Muslim Brotherhood extremists0.84
00:39:27.000in the country that they're all being deported or thrown in jail or guantana or whatever0.66
00:39:31.640my guess is you probably have more confidence and faith in the system and you'd give them a little
00:39:37.900bit more leeway because they're putting up a camera and all of a sudden they arrested a bunch
00:39:41.520of terrorists right would that change your perspective or no what do you think well for me
00:39:46.900it's it has to be applied equally so if it has to be applied equally so if you're you can see you
00:39:55.480know everyone's got their own camera phone out there it's like there's enough there's enough
00:40:00.000out there every no one's helping anybody they're filming things that are happening so if you know0.58
00:40:05.060if i don't even want to say radical islam if islam is doing something there's 8 000 people0.73
00:40:10.240recording it we can see it all on the interwebs there's no shortage of footage everybody wants0.72
00:40:16.580to you know get the shot um i want the law distributed equally amongst everybody and i
00:40:24.000don't care who you are, you know, like Paul Pelosi, how many DUIs is he going to get and
00:40:29.020whatever? And they're just like, oh, you know, okay. No, it's got to be equal. And that's why
00:40:33.980we have no confidence or faith in anything, any kind of authority, because we see that it's,
00:40:39.640you know, it's picking. And also we don't want to upset the Muslim people. And we, oh my God,1.00
00:40:46.260just apply it equally. That's it. That's all I'm looking for. That's me. So no, I don't like it.
00:40:53.420But my point is, if you saw equal enforcement of the law, then you probably have a little
00:41:00.120bit more trust, not absolute, but a little bit more, right?
00:42:16.800And his message is just always so simple and smart.
00:42:20.640And so for parents out there, if you've got like a new kid or your kids getting into that
00:42:25.960age of like, you know, high school into college, please heed his advice.
00:42:31.500The blue collar jobs, A, are where the money's at because there's such a shortage of trades
00:42:36.700people, such a shortage, people that can do just anything with their hands that are working.
00:42:42.640And also, you can just go right from high school, right into a trade.
00:42:47.180You could be an intern, learn a trade as an apprentice, and in like five years, have your own business, and you're a millionaire in no time with no debt.
00:42:56.200So anyway, let's listen to Mike Rowe and hear what he says.
00:42:59.740Dude, Larry Fink, who runs BlackRock, told me that the companies in his portfolio alone needed 300,000 electricians.
00:43:14.900What's coming is an infrastructure build out that's being calculated at nine to ten trillion dollars over the next nine years.
00:43:26.000A lot of it's data centers, but it's a lot of other stuff, too.
00:43:29.740And we can get into data centers and AI. It's all fascinating to me, but it's all kind of academic if you can't build them. And if you can't build them because of a shortage of skilled labor, that'll go down in history of one of the greatest unforced errors of all time.
00:43:48.620And that's what people are beginning to realize.