00:19:03.140So he's looking over at Scott Pesant and Marco Rubio.
00:19:07.020That's who he's talking to when he says, no more communication with them, don't even talk to them, no visits, nothing.
00:19:12.980So, yeah, I feel like the tone is different.
00:19:15.300I feel like he's a little bit more serious now.
00:19:18.660Joel, I'll come to you first on this one.
00:19:20.880So are you sensing that things are, I don't know, more serious with him now?
00:19:28.000It's hard to know because I don't know what it means to cut off a trade with Spain.
00:19:34.000The government has not been helpful in the Middle East.
00:19:36.000they've been very anti-israel and it sort of illustrates a classic principle of scapegoating
00:19:41.400the spanish prime minister's wife is under suspicion of corruption she's got a bunch of
00:19:47.120corruption allegations against her and the worse that scandal gets the more the prime minister
00:19:51.860starts beating the middle east issue and attacking israel it's sort of a classic don't look at the
00:19:58.140corruption look over here at this other thing so they've said and done some some pretty hostile
00:20:02.320things they've also been unhelpful with the american war effort generally so you know it's
00:20:11.280not a surprise that that he'd have a problem with them at the same time i don't know how we really
00:20:15.260cut off trade to a member of the eu maybe we cut off visits that's easy enough to do
00:20:20.220but i i you know you have to think he's going to get some attention by saying
00:20:24.080um i think there's a strain of politics in europe right now which is to try to interfere
00:20:31.220determined to interfere with the president uh in any way possible hello this is my this is my
00:20:37.040four-year-old um anyway and i'm about to get interrupted again by by a call for a radio
00:20:44.760interview but um yeah i mean we'll see where this goes i think the president could end up
00:20:50.920just simply making a decision and and uh we'll see i do think the iranian regime is taking a
00:20:56.040huge risk. I mean, if the president is giving you this much, then you should take it, but they're
00:21:02.060not. Right. Okay. So Owen, I'll come to you on this one now. Whether it's on Greenland or Denmark
00:21:10.420or anything he's talking about, what are you feeling from him? I mean, to me, it seems like
00:21:18.540it's just a continuation of his policies for those things. I think he has been talking about
00:21:25.800greenland for a long time i think people it makes the news just because he's bringing it up again
00:21:29.820because i think people were hoping it would just go away i don't think it will um you know i think
00:21:35.720to me it seems like he's sort of playing the long game with that where he's not you know invading
00:21:40.200greenland or anything but he's just bringing up to normalize the conversation and to continue it
00:21:46.000until it becomes the obvious solution i mean i think that's the strategy and um as far as iran
00:21:52.060goes, I agree with Joel that they are probably getting the best deal they're ever going to get
00:21:56.380in terms of ending this, but I just don't think they have control. I don't think they have a
00:22:01.280unified government at this point. So I think it's kind of impossible for them to really
00:22:05.260rein everybody in and say, okay, we're all going to get together and do this. It seems like they
00:22:09.640have the hardliners and the people who want to make a deal and then maybe just some loose cannons
00:22:14.980in between. And so it just seems like it's a hard thing for them to pull off.
00:22:20.500Yeah. And what about the whole thing with Spain? I mean, I just I just am sensing frustration. And I also feel like maybe he said the Spain thing also to appease the head of NATO, who is, like you said, having a hard time with Spain, maybe to show like, hey, I'm your buddy or something.
00:22:39.180um well i think it's a certainly a card that trump can play you know he's done it in the past where
00:22:46.080he just like says i'm going to blow up your trade and then suddenly they come to the table and say
00:22:49.700let's make a deal so i think he does have a lot of um leverage over spain um and i do think they're
00:22:56.600probably not being very cooperative not just from nato but in general you know their policies seem
00:23:01.700amongst the more extreme i mean they're the ones that are kind of saying we're going to give
00:23:07.040blanket asylum to all illegal immigrants i posted a story today that says like 70 percent of the
00:23:13.600people who are going to spain who claim to be unaccompanied minors are actually adults
00:23:18.100like 70 wow um that's creepy and uh you know so they seem to be going in the wrong direction0.84
00:23:27.340everywhere and so i you know if we can bring them back to the table and say you got to get in line
00:23:32.360with what we need here, I think it would be a good thing. But I don't know. I don't really
00:23:38.360care that much about Spain either. I mean, I'd rather have Trump focusing on what's going on
00:23:42.080in America. Same, same, same. So Marcella, hilarious listening to him. We were laughing
00:23:48.460for sure. He's very entertaining. So on any of those three clips, take it away. You only have
00:23:55.500five minutes left with us. Yeah, I only have like six minutes. Take it, sister. I hate Spain. So I
00:24:02.220am so happy that he hates Spain like I do. Wait, why? I've always hated Spain. Anybody from Latin
00:24:09.280America hates Spain. But anyways, I won't go into that. But it's just the people that I love,
00:24:17.680but the government has always been, you know, it's the third term of Pedro Sanchez, the prime
00:24:25.020minister of spain he's a socialist um you know nothing they never do anything that they promise
00:24:32.260and it's uh well we can go into why socialism sucks and all that but but we got it you know
00:24:41.460i think he's right they're not bringing in uh none of these european countries are actually
00:24:47.020bringing it into NATO. They want to be living their life, you know, having 30 to 60 day vacations
00:24:56.540and they want America to defend them, you know, and they don't want to pay for it.
00:25:02.420So I'm glad Trump is the first president that is asking to increase their commitment to NATO
00:25:08.740because they seem to be very like, oh, we must meet with NATO and have NATO. You mean,
00:25:15.400more you mean um you mean us you mean america you know and so it's like this idea uh anyways
00:25:23.440greenland the greenlanders are freaking out uh whenever trump brings this up because they they
00:25:31.680don't like it one of the reasons that that they don't like it is because the u.s can already be
00:25:39.460there. They can already have multiple control militarily. They already have a station there.
00:25:48.880They have different things there. They have military there. So they're wondering, so their
00:25:54.960suspicion is that, is it time? Their suspicion, and you're looking for a clip. Their suspicion
00:26:05.200is that there's perhaps they want the oil. That's their suspicion. And there has been an American
00:26:12.860company there recently that wanted to extract the oil from certain area. They have to get like the
00:26:21.120okay of Denmark. They have to get the okay of the Greenlanders and all sorts of things. And it takes
00:26:27.000a while, but they're figuring that it's not the military issue because the U.S. has already
00:26:33.240control over the military, they're thinking, oh, you want all the oil. Greenland is very rich in
00:26:38.660oil and very, like they're doing very good. So, oh, okay. Andy is keeping track of my time.
00:26:49.120So funny. Yeah. So I think, I mean, some Greenlanders like it, but I'm sure the majority
00:26:54.940are worried about it. And with good reason, if they're thinking it's about the oil, I mean,
00:27:00.040would make sense that that would be an option um i don't know and trump's been talking about
00:27:07.180the panama canal for as long as i can remember so it would be in their best interest for
00:27:12.600greenland for the u.s to take over greenland one of the things you might not know is that
00:27:17.340greenlanders cannot own any land so if you have a property it's the property but the land is owned
00:27:23.540by the government always so there's certain things that trump can give them that they don't
00:27:32.200have they don't have certain rights that to the land to this to that to exploring to even creating
00:27:39.160their population is exploding they don't have so you know maybe call me trump so i can like help
00:27:46.800you out with yeah certain things president trump please call marcella you can um her dms are maybe
00:27:53.420open i'm sure for you they are um and she'll help you figure that out thank you i like that um and
00:28:00.160that's i didn't know they didn't own their land that's kind of sucky but all right um marcella
00:28:05.320do you want to say goodbye yeah i'll say goodbye marcella no it's so sad don't go this is not right
00:28:13.220you know owen just does the irish goodbye which is less bad
00:28:19.280listen to what owen says because i have one more minute so i'll listen to it i'm part irish so
00:28:26.300that makes sense for me i do the irish goodbye i think you should just tell the judge that you
00:28:31.600need to reschedule i mean i don't know what you're doing here oh yeah he'll be happy with that um
00:28:37.560all right so then on so that was that was all i really pulled for nato i mean we will see what
00:28:43.560happens tonight with iran and you know what kind of bombing campaign there's going to be or not
00:28:49.560i'm so i just so want to focus on this country you guys like you have no idea um all right so
00:28:56.420let me move on then marcella i'm going to a new topic in uh virginia this is just just to show us
00:29:05.600all was that your timer oh god bless bless your soul marcella have fun in court today marcella0.85
00:29:12.400kick some butt would you she does not want to go you guys i don't want to go i love you guys0.85
00:29:19.120bye look at her like she's getting sent away to jail you won't stop you if you want to stay1.00
00:29:24.400and just blow off court barcelia you want me to kick you out or you want to comment on i'm 12
00:29:31.400whenever you say yes anyways have fun you guys and uh i see joel's still there so he'll be back
00:29:39.580He'll be back. Yeah. And you'll be back tomorrow. Yes. Okay. Thank God. I'll kick you out. Okay.
00:29:45.960Bye. Okay. Bye. I feel bad. Okay. There she goes. All right. So this is in Virginia. So we always
00:29:52.380talk about like how the politicians just hate us so much. Here's another example. So Owen and I
00:30:01.040were talking about this a little bit before the show, you know, where these people pass laws and
00:30:06.120then they were like but we're exempt we're exempt like we don't have to have obamacare we don't you
00:30:10.380know but you little minions down there have to so here is one about gun laws in virginia which is0.96
00:30:18.100home of abigail spamburger but listen to this um madam president i wish the senator from eastern0.99
00:30:26.400fairfax could hear himself could hear himself because this job we think this job has gotten0.99
00:30:33.640dangerous in the last couple years? Well, how many Virginians out there believe that they're in a
00:30:39.080situation where they need to protect themselves, but yet we don't listen to them? Well, not me,
00:30:46.900but this body's not going to listen to them because they think they need to have this protection.
00:30:53.820We're going to carve something out for General Assembly members. That, to me, is beyond the pale.
00:31:02.100General Assembly. We are a citizen legislature. We are citizens just like everybody else. We go
00:31:10.960back home. We interact with their constituents. We're a part of the community. We are no better
00:31:16.900than anybody else. And we should never vote for a bill that gives us a special privilege
00:31:24.940over any other citizen senator from western amen i mean good for him for speaking up and saying that
00:31:34.760i i don't know what happens after that owen but um it i'm guessing they just move on and pass the
00:31:42.500bill but it is ridiculous i totally agree with him i think anytime the the any kind of either
00:31:49.380state or federal congress passes legislation that says well we're exempt from this law it's like
00:31:56.320so blatant in terms of saying we're going to do something bad for other people but we're not going
00:32:01.480to do it to ourselves and we're just gonna you know treat ourselves like we're special and i
00:32:07.340think it should almost be unconstitutional to do things like that i think we should be just
00:32:12.140not allowed to say we're gonna exempt congress from something that we subject everyone else to
00:32:18.060it because it's like the opposite of the philosophy of the constitution it's like it's like treating
00:32:23.180them like monarchy or like a ruling class yes and i mean i think everybody that's watching this right
00:32:31.320now would agree that wouldn't you feel so much better if they had to live by the same laws they're
00:32:37.460passing and don't you love how they're always giving themselves a raise when everyone else is
00:32:43.640like losing jobs and you're just like the like the nerve and they have all this vacation time
00:32:49.420like it's all so backwards and it sends such a terrible message and you know i gave um marjorie
00:32:56.260taylor green like a lot of um props for staying and working like what she was like you know it's
00:33:03.520just gross like everyone's going on vacation and you know we have the government shut down and we
00:33:07.960have this and we have that and i'm like yeah that's kind of what i want to see from all of
00:33:11.140politicians act like you care and also that's another reason why you need term limits like
00:33:16.340these people they're they've just got it made it's so gross um i forget what other laws there were
00:33:22.500but they don't they don't um do anything that we have to do so it's pretty crazy to say we're going
00:33:28.100to take your guns away and good luck but we're going to keep ours because we're more important0.51
00:33:33.780than you like what an insult i don't know what virginians are gonna do um owen anymore i'm hoping
00:33:41.540they'll realize their mistake and they'll reverse it next time they can at least but um it doesn't
00:33:46.980seem like the way things go i don't but again it's hard to know whether it's through some kind
00:33:51.140of legitimate election or whether there was a whole bunch of influence or corruption or fraud
00:33:56.500or whatever because it seems like we find that everywhere we go yeah you guys sorry that we're
00:34:01.620a little haphazard but with marcella having to leave and then joel came late but now joel's gone
00:34:06.100he's just gone just so you know if he comes back i'll let you know so we're a little bit like choppy
00:34:11.460so i'm just gonna run a couple more clips that we have because there are things that i wanted to
00:34:15.620show you guys and talk about anyway so this is good it gives owen and i a chance to clear out the
00:34:20.660the deck here um so owen has no idea what's coming next so it'll be fun okay i've been wanting to
00:34:26.500to play this one. So the other day I posted on my socials that if Ron DeSantis could Florida
00:34:37.400America, I so want him for president. I mean, he just does the most common sense, smart things
00:34:46.400all the time for the people of Florida. And I'm just like, oh, oh, flavor. You can joyfully adapt.
00:34:52.940I love that. Oh, and someone offered to come tell jokes, Dr. Von Hardy. Okay, so listen to this,
00:34:59.100you guys. You know what one of my biggest issues is, which is Islam. Just listen to Ron DeSantis1.00
00:35:06.020on this issue. Governor Ron DeSantis says he wants to label several groups as terrorist
00:35:11.500organizations under a new Florida law that just took effect. Governor DeSantis named the Council
00:35:17.480on American Islamic Relations, also known as CARE, the Muslim Brotherhood, and Antifa
00:35:22.640as groups that he's targeting. The law allows Florida law enforcement to recommend organizations
00:35:27.720for this label, but the state cabinet has to vote on it. Yeah, Russ, the new state law
00:35:32.660took effect yesterday, and Governor DeSantis says that safety starts with first identifying
00:35:38.120a threat. That's why he designated the Council on American Islamic Relations, the Muslim0.97
00:35:43.120Brotherhood and dozens more organizations to be terrorist organizations. We've got to draw a very0.82
00:35:48.960strong line in the sand here. We've seen this creep throughout the country over many, many
00:35:54.020years. The new law also prohibits courts from imposing any stipulations of religious law
00:35:59.320with a specific focus on Sharia law. Critics say it violates the rights of freedom of speech
00:36:04.980and due process. DeSantis says the new law will also strip funding from schools and local
00:36:10.720governments with ties to these organizations you know let's just say you know you had a school
00:36:16.320with ties to care in the muslim brotherhood uh you know do you want florida scholarship money
00:36:23.280going to those to those schools of course you wouldn't want that the florida cabinet will have
00:36:28.640to ratify all 90 plus organizations as terrorist organizations before those
00:36:33.920designations can become official the governor said he expects the law to face legal challenges
00:36:40.720Oh, just like so much common sense. I know people are like, oh, his personality is dull or I didn't like this or like that. But I mean, it's so much common sense. And I feel like obviously he's a governor, so he's not having to deal with, you know, international issues, but he's so America focused. And I feel like Owen, like, I feel like we're really missing the America focus. What do you think about what he's doing there?
00:37:05.700Well, I agree with a lot of the things DeSantis has pushed through, and I think he's been one of the best, if not the best, at actually making changes at the state level to push things in the direction that at least people like us on the right or conservative leaning would want.
00:37:22.160I think it's the right way to go because I think it should also probably cement the population over time.
00:37:32.580I mean, you know, if someone is like one of these woke liberals that is going to be screaming every day and crying every day, maybe they'll leave and maybe it'll attract more people that would vote the way that we want people to vote.
00:37:42.860And, you know, I suppose you could make the same argument for the other side that, you know, places like Washington and Oregon, when they pass all these woke laws, it might cement their ability to maintain their voter base.
00:37:56.700So maybe that's what it is. But I do think it's, you know, markedly different in Florida.
00:38:02.580in terms of all these things as far as this particular thing i i guess i would have to
00:38:06.380understand more about what it would really mean like i i on the surface designating someone as
00:38:12.360a terrorist organization doesn't really mean anything it and and it sounds like this is just
00:38:17.600the ability to recommend it that then another body has to actually vote on it which means it
00:38:23.020may or may not happen but even if it did happen i would just then ask the question okay what does
00:38:26.960that mean because at the federal level like we talked about this in the past with domestic
00:38:31.780terrorists you know muslim brotherhood and others um antifa and things like that but it i don't
00:38:38.500think that really has any teeth like it doesn't really mean anything to designate someone as a
00:38:43.060domestic terrorist organization it doesn't give any additional authorities it doesn't mean you
00:38:47.700can go arrest them it doesn't mean anything really as far as i can tell and so i i would ask the same
00:38:53.700question at the state level like okay if you do get the muslim brotherhood or care or some of these
00:38:58.640other things to be designated as a terrorist organization what does that mean what does it
00:39:02.500change and maybe there are maybe there is a good answer for it I mean maybe that means you can't
00:39:07.200donate money to them or you can't you know like maybe it does give law enforcement some additional
00:39:12.720capabilities at the state level because I just don't know what the how that how that works but
00:39:17.280I would still want to have answers to that question to know is this just theater or is this
00:39:22.900something real yeah i agree i i because what's happening at that delaney hall or whatever it's
00:39:29.900called in newark with all the pro ice pro protesting out there a lot of those people
00:39:34.920are antifa and i'm like well doesn't that mean that there are domestic terrorists and then if
00:39:39.180you're a terrorist wouldn't you be in jail so i do wonder what that means although i have a feeling
00:39:45.560in florida it means more than it does on the federal level but you're right i'd like to see
00:39:50.660what that means. Maybe we could dig into that a little bit further and find out. And someone
00:39:56.160mentioned Andy Ngo. So you guys, if you don't know Andy Ngo, his last name is spelled N as in Nancy,
00:40:02.240G-O. He has been covering Antifa since, oh my gosh, like 2015-ish. So check him out because
00:40:11.700the man has literally put his life on the line. He's one of the few people I will donate to
00:40:17.340just like privately to help him because he's, he's doing such great work, but I don't know.
00:40:24.160I just, you know, somebody said DeSantis picks up the free money on the table. Yeah. I mean,
00:40:28.560it's common sense money he's picking up. And again, also, I feel like that's such a sense
00:40:35.060of patriotism to be doing these things to keep America safe. And that's kind of all I care about
00:40:40.540right now um because i i feel so much less safe than i have ever you know ever in my time and then
00:40:48.540i and then you have people say no it's the golden age it's the safest time to be in america and i'm
00:40:52.640like where is that happening uh you know i'm like are you just gaslighting me because i don't see it
00:40:58.960i think partly it's both are true i i do think there is a lot more left-wing violence than there
00:41:05.060ever has been in recent years at least and i think you know the the racial divide and all the
00:41:13.000violence that has gone up a lot as well but i think if you look at statistics even with the
00:41:19.360fact that all the data is wrong or corrupt or whatever i still would say like compared to let's
00:41:24.220say the 80s or 90s maybe you know crime has gone down a lot just in general like there's just a lot
00:41:31.200less in terms of murders rapes arson robbery whatever i mean if you look at most of the
00:41:35.880statistics sure it was a lot worse yeah i mean just like per capita and stuff i'm pretty sure
00:41:42.140i could pull up the stats but um you know i think to some extent i don't i don't think it could be
00:41:48.020completely made up that it's like not safer now than it was back then but i think you just didn't
00:41:54.620hear about it in the news all the time back then like there were lots of things going on in places
00:41:58.760like New York city where people were getting robbed and stabbed and murdered and whatever.
00:42:02.160And you just, unless you read the newspaper, you wouldn't even see the stories. And even if you
00:42:05.920did, you might only see one or two of them and you wouldn't see a lot of them. I mean, I, again,
00:42:11.220I'm not minimizing the problems. I think there are real problems. I mean, I live in, I live near
00:42:15.040Chicago. Like I, I, I see the stats on that all the time and they're ridiculous and I don't know0.79
00:42:20.120why more isn't being done to stop it. So it's not like there isn't a problem, but I think it depends
00:42:24.660on the lens you put on it right like if you go back 30 40 50 years it's different i think it has
00:42:30.260gone up in recent years compared to let's say five or ten years ago maybe the crime is also different0.98
00:42:36.740now because you know let's just call it out i mean like i'm seeing so much black crime that and and0.71
00:42:46.260black on black crime, racist stuff, the teen takeovers. And I don't know, everything just0.87
00:42:55.280seemed... And when people are getting in a fight now, it's not like two dudes duking it out. It's
00:43:00.520like, I'm going to get you on the ground so 67 people can stomp on your head. It's like,0.99
00:43:06.120what are we doing? Or just someone shooting guns off because they don't give a shit about anybody's0.99
00:43:11.520life. I'm not even thinking about you as a human being, a life with a family or anyone that cares0.99
00:43:17.220about you. It just all seems so different now. Maybe that's not anyone else's opinion, but
00:43:25.000that's just how I feel like it's all so escalated and so much more nasty. And then also watching
00:43:33.680these judges not putting anyone in jail because of their skin color or because they are here
00:43:41.360illegally and i'm just like what laws are we in for like what is happening here so um you know
00:43:47.680yeah the good old days though of of a base or maybe in the 70s chunks but the good old days
00:43:52.640of just like a basic brawl was usually like two people and then all their friends trying to break
00:43:58.960it up now it's everybody with their cameras and like let's see how extreme it can go and you put
00:44:03.840a camera on anyone they're going to perform to the max so i feel like that's a problem too i don't
00:44:09.200don't know i don't like it i don't like it um can i again i'm not trying to say there isn't a
00:44:14.220problem there is yeah yeah and i think a lot of times especially in some of the bigger cities
00:44:18.260things are i think getting worse but i i think um it it's just the you know crime in general
00:44:25.780i think there has been a lot of measures have been taken over decades and maybe that some of
00:44:30.560it is just you know other trends that have made it less likely that these things happen i mean
00:44:35.380And some of it might even be like we I see stories regularly how we just don't hang out with each other anymore.
00:44:39.760We don't have parties. We don't go out as much like people are just at home a lot more.
00:44:44.720And so maybe that naturally just leads to less crime.
00:44:47.860But because, you know, there are these natural factors like when the temperature goes up, there's more crime, you know, and it's like some of these things just have an effect.
00:44:58.340But I think, you know, we're much more in a surveillance state now.
00:45:04.040they probably get put in jail or prison a lot more in general i mean we you know and we hear
00:45:09.000stories especially on the right about them releasing the prisoners but the other side of
00:45:13.300that is they're releasing them because they ran out of room like they don't have enough space for
00:45:17.860all the prisoners um and so i think you know it is something that again could be improved and should
00:45:25.500be improved and i do think we should take that one or two percent and just lock them up like
00:45:29.340trump has said recently i think where it's like hey the two percent is doing like half the crime
00:45:33.460or whatever you know we can solve that right like just get rid of that two percent i think is what
00:45:38.380he said i don't know that he meant it in a you know hang them sort of way alligator moats you0.77
00:45:44.160know but you know if you could get those people in prison and keep them in prison or somehow
00:45:49.680keep them away from everybody else you probably would increase our safety by a lot so
00:45:54.400i guess that was my timer i'm not sure why that went off no that scared me that sounded like a
00:45:59.760big nuclear don't worry i don't need to go it's just me um not that i ever can't talk by myself
00:46:06.720lord knows um all right so all right so we'll see about that and also the other thing i wanted to
00:46:11.740say too is watching our politicians be so disgusting um this is like another level two
00:46:18.520where i feel like makes me feel less safe just their just their language and you know calling
00:46:24.460people racist like you know they're literally literally putting targets on people's back so
00:46:28.800you know, it's all, it's just different. It's different. It's ugly. It's nasty. It's ramped
00:46:33.460up. People are really going cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs out there. So, um, I did want to play
00:46:40.020one other clip, you guys, I got so much positive feedback and so much, um, I don't know, so many
00:46:46.460great comments about people like with their kids in the trades or that you took notes on yesterday's
00:46:51.720shows. And, you know, when we were talking about micro, there's another clip from that podcast,
00:46:56.540that I picked up today. And the person that posted it was WDYFW underscore pod clips. I just wanted
00:47:08.320to shout them out. So that was a mouthful. So this is their clip. But I it's so funny. He's
00:47:14.680saying like kind of all the things I said about the welding and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Let's
00:47:18.880let's take a listen. Take notes. Let's go. But I'll tell you something else about the skilled
00:47:23.200trades man they they lead into more small businesses than more people will seem capable
00:47:31.540of realizing and that path nobody talks about and i see it all the time did you say they leave
00:47:38.160small businesses lead lead to the formation of them i i could literally give you a list of people
00:47:46.340who I helped get a welding certificate for six, seven, eight, 10 years ago, whatever.
00:47:55.240People think in their minds, ah, that's it. He's going to be a welder. So he's going to weld.
00:47:59.080And that's it. Maybe he'll TIG weld. Maybe he'll MIG weld. Maybe he'll underwater weld. Those
00:48:03.340guys make a lot of coin, right? Whatever it is. But that's what this person's going to be.
00:48:09.580So many times that certification leads to a plumbing certification or an electrical
00:48:14.600certification. And there's like this hierarchy within the trades. And then they buy a van and
00:48:19.880they hire their buddies. They got an HVAC buddy, right? And now they got two vans and now they
00:48:24.400have a mechanical contracting company. And now you've got a dozen guys, men, women, whatever.
00:48:31.520And they didn't go to college and they're running this business, you know, and like
00:48:38.180knives whiskey success it's like there's so many paths to that and and the trades don't get their
00:48:49.300their due in my opinion so many of the people i've profiled on dirty jobs nobody believes this
00:48:55.960but i'm telling you you watch the show growing up right i know for a fact 40 of the people
00:49:03.320we profiled were multi-millionaires. We never talked about it. They certainly never talked
00:49:10.280about it. And nobody assumed that kind of success because they were normally covered in mud or blood
00:49:17.480or shit or something worse. You just don't equate that kind of success with that optics.0.97
00:49:24.520But it's always been there. It's always been right in front of us. And we're just,
00:49:28.120we so screwed up as a society to make that entire part of our workforce and our entire educational
00:49:38.100rubric like a vocational consolation prize but we did it and we're still doing it
00:49:47.120genius because it's so true right we just said this yesterday people made it like you were
00:49:53.580less than if you did something vocational. No, we screwed up. We really screwed up,
00:50:00.280you guys. He's so right. I mean, I think the whole no child left behind and everybody needs
00:50:06.140to go to college idea was just a massive screw up. And I would say even the same thing about
00:50:13.100stay-at-home moms being denigrated as less than. It's like all these things that are really
00:50:21.280important um have been just made out to be oh you're you know you're a loser or you're somehow
00:50:28.760less than other people if you do those things and um you know again i'm not trying to say like0.78
00:50:34.820nobody no women should be the workforce or any of that i'm not saying any of that but i'm saying
00:50:39.440like there is this perception today i think with many women if not even most women that if you
00:50:46.160don't have a career you're somehow less than everyone else and that if you're a stay-at-home
00:50:51.680mom you're not important or something and it's like one of the most noble things a woman can do0.64
00:50:58.100is to raise their children and raise them what better for your child than to have its mom and
00:51:04.180and uh you know i think the same is true in a different way for the trades it's like you know
00:51:11.260there are a lot of people that probably it's not the best thing for them to go to college
00:51:15.160and and it doesn't mean they're stupid it just means that's just not the best fit for them and
00:51:20.760it's also i think my gross point is just we need those people we need those trades like we there's0.95
00:51:26.560demand for those skills and people exist that could be doing those jobs but they were taught
00:51:33.320not to pursue them and they were taught that they weren't worthwhile and in many cases i would say
00:51:38.260they were lied to in the sense of like how much money you can make or how good your career would
00:51:42.260be because i think many of these people were tricked into going to college and taking on like
00:51:47.000a hundred thousand dollars in student loans and then they end up not finding any job that can
00:51:51.500ever pay it off and they end up not making any more money than if they had gone into a trade in
00:51:56.180fact they might have done much better i mean i've seen the math calculations where it's like okay
00:52:00.280this guy went to college and took out a bunch of debt and maybe he did get a slightly higher salary
00:52:05.040coming out of it but the person who went right out of high school into the trade is suddenly making
00:52:10.600a really high hourly rate, he didn't take on any debt. And so he was making money those four years
00:52:16.260while the other person was paying a hundred thousand or more dollars. Now it's almost like
00:52:19.680a hundred thousand dollars a year. I mean, it's like really bad. I mean, at the top schools,
00:52:24.240I think it is close to a hundred thousand dollars a year. So you're talking about $400,000. I mean,
00:52:28.540maybe some people get scholarships, but it's still, it's a massive amount of money and you're
00:52:32.800not making any money during that times and you're not building the skills, you're not moving ahead.
00:52:37.580And so, you know, if you take an equivalent person that might be really smart and capable, they could go into one of those trades.
00:52:43.940And then maybe by the time they've been in for 10 years, which means only like six years out of school, right, they might be like 26 or whatever, or 28, maybe, you know, maybe they're ready to start their own business.
00:52:55.180And if they have the intelligence and the skill set and they've been smart about it, they could probably just say, okay, now I'm running my own HVAC contractor or my own general contractor or my own whatever specialty they went into.
00:53:06.200And even if they just stay in their job, I mean, I'm not a big fan of unions, but they do have this seniority system.
00:53:13.220So you kind of automatically keep getting more per hour and all this other stuff.
00:53:17.180And you do really well financially from what I can see.
00:53:20.520Again, it may not be like, you know, the top of what you could potentially make as a college graduate.
00:53:27.440But most people who get college degrees don't end up there either.
00:53:32.600And they don't end up using their degree either.
00:53:34.560um but you know like yesterday so there's a a high rise on 33rd street new york city
00:53:41.620that's having a vicious structural problem and they're afraid the building's going to collapse
00:53:46.380and anyway this one guy's like you know they they went for the money uh you know when pricing out
00:53:51.500this job to they were adding like 14 floors or something to the building the steel's buckling
00:53:56.860and he said they went for the to like get the best deal on the job instead of going with the
00:54:02.600people who are you know proficient tradesmen and we knew what we were doing and now they've got a
00:54:07.700problem where this whole building might come down and ironically it's the pfizer building um that
00:54:12.580could i saw that story and i i but i also have to think like there's got to be some failure there
00:54:18.840beyond just that like there there had as i understand especially with high-rise buildings
00:54:23.800like this like somebody has to approve the plans somebody has to inspect the work like
00:54:27.740you're supposed to do all these things did they just bribe these people to look the other way i
00:54:32.220Maybe. I mean, maybe, but if they hired like this whole union one, that never would have happened. But then I was like, you know what, there's such a need now, you know, just for this building for very skilled tradespeople for every facet of this building.
00:54:48.800And the other thing I wanted to say was, you know, I remember in high school, you know, we, yeah, we had home ec and whatever they called it, food technology was one. And then there was like the auto shop and the wood shop and whatever. And, you know, like I can remember, I went to a very snooty high school, you guys in a very, very wealthy town. And, you know, the guys in auto shop, I love them.
00:55:14.400but people will be like, oh, they're like the dirt bags and whatever. They're the same people
00:55:19.580that are like Jerry Seinfeld's mechanic today, or Jay Leno's mechanic, or like the people with
00:55:27.080these bougie cars. You know how much money these people make? So it's so funny how people are like,
00:55:33.000no, it's so beneath whatever. It can be whatever you want it to be. But how many people always are
00:55:40.160I need a good mechanic. Does anyone know someone for my air conditioning who you really trust?
00:55:46.200It's not just a friend of yours, but someone that you know is good. Those are the people that mean
00:55:50.740the most in our lives. An accountant, all right, whatever. Lawyers have to follow the law as long
00:55:57.240as it's nothing crazy, crazy. But when you're doing something in your home and you're spending
00:56:01.420your money, which is so expensive, your money, you want the best people and you do anything
00:56:08.500you know for to have like a good trades person in your pocket so um you can't tell i sound like a
00:56:15.380normal person yay um so you know it's just it's just something that's really needed and like we
00:56:20.980were saying yesterday the the really devoted electricians and hvac and builders and you name
00:56:30.260it they're they're going to be retiring like very soon so you know welders and everything so please
00:56:37.940get this word out to people. My friend's sending her daughter to college after she has one more
00:56:43.240year in high school. And I'm like, why are you doing that? What's the point? There's nothing
00:56:48.020she's interested in at all. And they're going to go into some form of a, not debt, but they're
00:56:54.840going to have big, big, big bills. And she's like, I love her, but she's flaky. She's young. She0.99
00:57:02.220doesn't know what she wants to do. So I'm like, get her out in the world, get experience, start
00:57:06.140making money right away. And just so you know, um, I can speak to that. I did not go to college.
00:57:11.220I, I opted out of college and I went right into working. My talent stack is insane. You guys,
00:57:17.640if I told you all the different jobs I've had, you would be like, what are you? 95 years old
00:57:21.900who've had all those jobs in your lifetime. But I, you know, whenever Scott talked about a talent
00:57:26.600stack, I'm like, amen, because I feel like I know not even a little, I know like a decent
00:57:32.800amount of a lot of different things. And so maybe that made me not nervous, not embarrassed, not
00:57:39.600shy. It taught me how to deal with different types of people and how to grow and do whatever.
00:57:44.220And so I just don't think stereotypes are healthy. And I think people should go out into the world
00:57:51.180and just start being useful as fast as you can. And don't ever feel like, oh, I have friends that
00:57:59.900like i didn't go to college and i'm so embarrassed that someone's gonna ask me where i went to school
00:58:04.860and i'm like thinking that's never even occurred to me to be like you know someone's gonna ask me
00:58:10.920if i went to college i didn't go to college i'll tell you my whole story one day you guys will laugh
00:58:15.480we'll do it on on uh scott's private locals but it's funny um but anyway that's kind of all i
00:58:21.220wanted to say about all that um anything in closing owen we've hit our time no i think i
00:58:27.160mean this has been a good discussion and i agree with everything you said and i think it's it is
00:58:31.640the snobby people and i think i saw sjv asking what a bougie was it's basically a snob someone
00:58:36.620only wants the best stuff and looks down on everybody that doesn't have the best stuff
00:58:40.600bougie it's yeah never mind yeah that's it um all right well you guys thank you yeah we lost
00:58:48.360joel and marcella hopefully they will be found again but i do know that um joel is very excited
00:58:54.760about how the biography is going. So, uh, like I said, he called me yesterday morning before the
00:59:00.860show and he just said that, um, Joshua Lysak and him, they've been having great success with the
00:59:08.180book. Like there, there's a great momentum going. Um, and so they're both going to kind of rotate
00:59:13.500and come on and keep us updated as we get closer to the book launch. All right. Um, okay. So I
00:59:21.940think that's it you guys should I play an Akira song on the way out oh and if you have to dip out
00:59:26.340I totally get it I do okay all right great so we'll we'll just do um a closing sip and we'll
00:59:32.740say thank you to Scott and Shelly for allowing this show to continue don't forget Friday we have
00:59:38.120a oh I announced this yesterday at the end we have a new guest professor coming on his name is Jesse
00:59:44.660Kelly so if you don't know him get used to him he's a perfect Friday guest host he's a lot of
00:59:51.860fun you're gonna love him he's just speaks his mind all right so you guys get out there be useful
00:59:57.420do all the things and let's have a closing sip to our very beloved scott adams to scott to scott
01:00:04.360suburban let me answer you wait where'd you go why isn't owen live he isn't live because he has
01:00:15.520um a job it's not like a cia job we joke around but he has a job that might not appreciate him
01:00:23.200being on a show that has any kind of politics in it so he's always been i mean i know who he is
01:00:30.080scott know who he is and marcella knows um but he's always had a private persona just so he
01:00:36.000doesn't have to have his personal life ruined and so um it was always known that owen would be
01:00:42.720be, um, just an image. That's why nothing crazy. Okay. Let's do it. Let's do. Oh, you guys,
01:00:52.720which one, which one? How about get out? Let's do get out. Somebody asked me for a reframe
01:01:00.640to help them get out of their head and, you know, stop having ruminations and bad thoughts.
01:01:06.880and i suggested the reframe of that i tried myself and it worked where you just say get out
01:01:15.140where you just say get out akira get out
01:01:20.780you just say get out just get out of your head now the frame that makes it work