00:20:49.380okay we're done yeah yep okay so owen and i were on a delay for some reason oh you guys were okay
00:21:03.020Yeah. I remember this like it was yesterday, this conversation. And I'm like, well, can't I think she's dumb because she's dumb to me. But, you know, come on, Scott.
00:21:15.800I think you have to separate like what you know what her capabilities are from whether you agree with her or what you you know what you want to happen.
00:21:22.700Like, that's, I guess it's important in terms of, like, how you respond to it or what we should do in response to it or what the Republicans should do in response to it.
00:21:32.060Because if you underestimate her, then she has the advantage, not you.
00:21:37.240Yeah, she is super persuasive and convincing.
00:21:41.260And, I mean, I know people that are like, oh, AOC.
00:21:44.240And I'm like, but you know everything she said was wrong, right?
00:21:47.100And then I'm like, no, you don't know that.
00:21:48.300You just are hearing her and she sounds so convincing.
00:21:51.220and she speaks with such conviction that you're like oh must be true and nobody fact checks so
00:21:58.060oh i mean scott you know we can all see that she does have talent she's annoying the baby voice
00:22:05.060that little high talking baby voice like puts me right over the edge i mean can you see her talking
00:22:11.080to like president chi like well anyway so i i would just say like that's she's from a different
00:22:20.080generation than some of the older Americans. I don't want to put us in that category necessarily,
00:22:24.820but we are. I mean, we're older than she is. And I think that's part of how she's connecting to
00:22:30.340the younger generations. And I think that's what we have to watch out for is that college kids,
00:22:36.680Gen Z, millennials, they're going to connect a lot more with her than boomers or even a lot of
00:22:43.160Gen X. But we're getting to the point where they're a pretty significant part of the voting
00:22:47.520population right but okay so the way i always see a presidential candidate is i never really think
00:22:55.200of here at home and who's voting here i'm always thinking about the people they have to meet from
00:23:00.880other countries and will they respect this person or not meaning will they respect our president or
00:23:07.120not and how will they you know there there's a lot of now this is one reason why i'm like sketchy
00:23:13.920about having a female president you guys this is my opinion it's okay but a lot of men and a lot
00:23:20.740of cultures and other countries don't care for women leaders and they might not get the same
00:23:27.760respect or opportunities that a man would and i want america to be at the best advantage and i
00:23:33.860certainly just can't see like i think about aoc next to like georgia maloney i mean i try to
00:23:41.180picture like would maloney even take aoc seriously i don't know that's that's my thing what do you0.99
00:23:47.260think marcella about the about would she be taken seriously if out of side of this country i mean
00:23:52.520they didn't take bush seriously so i mean they're gonna take her seriously because she has similar
00:23:58.500politics maybe not italy prime minister um but other you know globalist or however you want to
00:24:06.860say the EU, they'll take her more seriously. They'll take her as Obama. They'll, they'll be0.69
00:24:12.500more, they'll take, you know, it depends on their politics, right? So like, for example, George Bush
00:24:18.580was not taken seriously by certain European countries. They didn't find, they always thought
00:24:27.020that he was not intelligent enough, not Clinton enough, and they disagreed with him. So they
00:24:33.600called him whatever they call trump now so i just think it's depending on the politics but
00:24:39.520overall they'll respect america because of how powerful we are so i i think it's going to be
00:24:47.760based on politics if they respect her her age and gender are going to have something to do with it
00:24:54.640but that's okay what i would add is just a lot of what you just said erica is exactly the criticism
00:25:01.120that the left and democrats had for trump he's not presidential he doesn't talk like a president
00:25:07.280no one's going to respect him they're going to think he's a clown they're not going to you know
00:25:10.800it was all that kind of stuff and i'm not trying to you know elevate aoc by saying this i'm just
00:25:17.280saying like the the democrats are probably not going to see it that way and certainly a lot of
00:25:23.160women are not going to see it that way that do connect with her and i do think it's a question
00:25:27.760of how the average man on the democrat side especially because that's really what matters
00:25:32.280right i mean no republicans are going to vote for her right but the independents and the democrats
00:25:37.240are what we're talking about here and so that you know that's where i don't think they're going to
00:25:43.100see it as we can't elect her because no one's going to respect her i think they would love to1.00
00:25:47.400have a woman president i know they all wanted hillary and that is different i mean she probably1.00
00:25:52.140was more like what you're describing where she was very much trying to be the you know strong1.00
00:25:58.380respected woman like the you know i'm yeah i'm professional i'm smart i'm you know polished all
00:26:04.780that but again we're kind of moving on like we're you know trump set the frame where you don't need
00:26:10.380it you don't need any of that to get elected president recently our company softball team
00:26:14.720lost the big game by one run then dale tried to console us with the quote winning isn't everything
00:33:44.260I really want to see her in a debate, like even with like Tulsi, just anybody, actually. All right. So, Owen, you take it away.
00:33:53.460Yeah, well, so I came across this because I've been following American Demug for a while. Many of you are probably familiar with him. He's been a member of Scott Adams community for a long time, and he created a whole website with a bunch of debunks that was based on Scott pointing out all the hoaxes.
00:34:08.900so that's the context and and he did a brilliant analysis and he's been doing a lot of this he's
00:34:14.420definitely follow american debunk if you're not already because he has a lot of great things to
00:34:18.500say and i think he's just you know one of scott's best students i would say like he's picked up so
00:34:23.440much from scott and he's really talented with this and he does a lot of breakdowns like this so
00:34:28.100he he did a breakdown of this clip and he was saying you know this is like a lot more sophisticated
00:34:33.320than a lot of people realize and he walks through like you know the the hypnosis and the other
00:34:40.440techniques that that aoc was using and so the first is frame control and he describes it and
00:34:48.240i apologize if i get any of this wrong american debunk you're welcome to come on the show and
00:34:51.480correct me um but he he says you know from frame control like the host kind of says you know did
00:34:59.320woke go too far and that's sort of a trap framing and so instead of responding to that he just says
00:35:05.700she doesn't answer that question at all she goes and creates her own frame and says you know here's
00:35:11.540the new frame woke one was this early solutions oriented you know stage in a larger process so
00:35:18.160it's like distancing the current democrats especially the progressives i would think
00:35:23.720from, you know, what was going on in this, what they call woke one. And that she frames it more
00:35:31.580like a natural part of problem solving. Like, well, we were trying things, we were trying to
00:35:35.220solve a problem and we didn't have the solution right away, but you know, we tried these and now
00:35:38.940we're doing something better. And so it's, it's a way of creating her own frame. And then she creates
00:35:44.160what America D-Bunk calls mental distance. So by talking about it in the context of COVID,
00:35:49.600that's like a an nlp sort of technique to say like okay that was that was then like you know
00:35:58.000that was back in covid like that was six years ago and so by linking it to then you can say well
00:36:05.080you know as all this other stuff was going on and you you also create and maybe even reactivate this
00:36:11.620emotional climate in people's minds like oh yeah i remember it was so crazy back then and and
00:36:16.840everything else was there. And then you link that to this woke one as like, well, that was
00:36:21.640well-intentioned response to all those problems at that time. And then she anchors it to that time
00:36:27.820to say, well, that's a closed chapter, like that's done, you know? And that's what American
00:36:31.940D-Bunk points out as like neuro-linguistic programming. Like, you know, you link it to
00:36:36.640that time so that it doesn't still apply to now. And so it's a way of sort of distancing herself
00:36:43.240from all that it's like this hypnosis technique and she does that and then she said and then he
00:36:47.520says you know this woke one branding um is also intentional that it's like oh you'd expect a rough
00:36:55.060draft to be messy you know you're not going to get it right the first time like that's that's what
00:36:58.900that woke one stuff was and then she also i think is is going through what scott adams often talked
00:37:05.340about which is to test ideas you saw scott do this over and over again where he would frame things in
00:37:10.000a certain way and try it out and if it resonated he would keep it and if he didn't he would try
00:37:14.240something else and so one of the things he points out is like she doesn't take credit for this woke
00:37:19.780one she says oh that was this councilman from back home where I'm from like he came up with
00:37:25.340this idea and that gives her the flexibility to say this isn't my branding this isn't my
00:37:29.640idea this is someone else's idea that I'm just telling you about and so if it doesn't work if
00:37:35.520it blows up in her face then she can say well that wasn't me that was this other person and
00:37:39.860you know okay we'll try something else now so she's also you know not linking herself to it
00:37:45.960and um so I think you know that's the highlights of it I think it there's a lot in there but I
00:37:52.420think it does show I think and I think his conclusion is she has a lot of talent here
00:37:59.000she has a lot of persuasion skill and that resonates back to what Scott said in the earlier
00:38:02.800clip where it's like she's really smart and she's really good at persuasion she has all these
00:38:08.280techniques and she's starting to get better at using them. So I think it's a kind of a warning,
00:38:12.560like we're up against a strong force here. We're up against what Scott called blue Trump. And,
00:38:17.900um, you know, you can see he has a lot of posts about this. He's, it's kind of his current theme.
00:38:21.900I think it's his pin post too, to say, Hey guys, we need to watch out. AOC is coming and she's
00:38:26.260strong. Um, okay. I see your comments on YouTube and you're saying to read everything, but I don't
00:38:35.960know where you want me to read. So Kay says, y'all are changing Scott's words or trying to,
00:38:44.520but I'm not sure if you could just tell us what you mean. So we want everybody to feel
00:38:49.520heard over there. So yeah, I agree with American Debunk on that. But the thing that left me
00:39:01.080feeling weird was when she said yeah uh woke one was whatever she said um i take that as like wait
00:39:08.480till you see woke too like it's gonna be even worse that's how i hear it so i don't know why
00:39:14.540everyone's like oh that was so funny i'm like oh no that's scary to me uh it is i i mean i i don't
00:39:20.380think she at all said we're not gonna go that direction i think she just said we're gonna do it
00:39:25.460right this time and and in my mind i mean as a republican or as a conservative i would think of
00:39:30.520it like basically almost like you know we just didn't do communism right last time we're going
00:39:35.920to do it right this time i mean it's that kind of framing but and i also would warn people that
00:39:41.160like a lot of what we see now in my opinion is these progressive radical leftists are pretending
00:39:49.580not to be radical and they're pretending that they're going to be reasonable moderate people
00:39:54.460and that they're going to do what the right thing is um but then once they get into office everything
00:39:59.160gets thrown out the window and they do what they were going to do and and they go right back to
00:40:03.060that radical thing and i have no doubt that hong would have done that if she had gotten in and i
00:40:07.120have no doubt i mean because you saw it was spanberger and i mean like that's what they're
00:40:11.480doing right that's their strategy right now is they're gonna talk a good game and try and appeal
00:40:16.640to the broad groups across america especially the independents that they need and then as soon as
00:40:24.420they get in office that that's gone you know they're back to whatever their donors are and
00:40:29.100George Soros and whoever else put them in and that's what their orders are coming from but
00:40:34.020again you have to separate the campaign person from the real person and I honestly I think Trump
00:40:39.820is maybe one of the only politicians that I remember that isn't like that like he actually
00:40:45.920did campaign on a certain set of promises and in my opinion at least he's tried very hard to
00:40:51.180deliver on all of those promises. Now, there may be a few areas where you could argue the otherwise
00:40:56.280like foreign wars with Iran. It's the prime example in my mind. But otherwise, like, you know,0.87
00:41:02.120he said, I want to have no tax on tips. I want to have no tax on Social Security. And there may
00:41:06.560have been some tweaks to it. Like it's not no tax at all on any tips and it's not no tax at all on
00:41:12.520all Social Security. But he did deliver a lot of that. And the same on the border and all the other
00:41:17.600things that he campaigned on but to me that's the break from the norm the norm is say whatever
00:41:23.440i need to say to get elected and then do what i want to do once i'm in right okay so kay i see
00:41:29.440your response maybe you were talking about not the host but people that are in the chat and marcella
00:41:35.760if you can help me with this okay is saying erica some viewers are trying to say how scott would
00:41:41.200feel now compared to what you have shown clips of him trying to morph his personality and words
00:41:47.360into something he didn't say i think i mean i think that just kind of happens naturally because
00:41:52.580we do like to imagine what scott might think about things all the time um so i don't know
00:41:59.480if that's intentional or not but go ahead i would just say god would still think she's persuasive
00:42:05.820just like you showed the clip she he would still agree with everything he said now even more so0.98
00:42:12.140because she's more authentic charismatic um and she's good looking so she has everything that
00:42:20.060politicians remember all of you guys are saying what did she do in her past0.98
00:42:24.780what what kind of policies does she have remember facts don't matter i think we learned that from0.98
00:42:30.060trump so she is attention grabbing and the media is going to back her and that's all she needs1.00
00:43:03.680Like no matter, I mean, you could feed it every single statement Scott ever made and say, I want you to act exactly the same.
00:43:10.140And it wouldn't, you know, it would come up with something different that may or may not have been what Scott would say, but nobody knows.
00:43:17.720Right. And so I think it's dangerous anytime you deviate from what someone actually said or what they thought, and you can't really know what they thought, you know, that Scott taught us about not mind reading.
00:43:30.700And so, you know, I think it's okay to speculate and say, this is what I think Scott would say.
00:43:38.440And I do that sometimes, but I also have to recognize it's what I'm thinking.
00:53:42.640Yeah, the president posted on True Social and he was very clear that ensuring that Iran never has a nuclear weapon is the number one priority for the United States.
00:53:51.200I asked the president about the communication with the Iranians, and interestingly, President Trump confirmed to Fox News that there is a back channel with the IRGC.
00:54:00.620These are the hardline officials inside of Iran, and that the United States and officials in Washington are speaking directly with IRGC officials in Iran.
00:54:10.700This is another indication that the Trump administration is not just dealing with the political echelon in Tehran,
00:54:15.960but also some of these hardliners that have launched attacks against U.S. forces
00:54:20.200and, of course, in the Strait of Hormuz.
00:54:22.500But the critical headline here is the president's patience as it relates to dealing with the Iranians.0.54
00:54:27.820He said there is no timeline, and so this 60-day window that is expiring today
00:54:32.260is largely irrelevant in terms of the president's thinking as it relates to Iran.
00:54:37.400And again, he indicated the United States has a lot of mid-level weapons to use
00:54:42.900But he calls on the Iranians to raise the white flag of surrender.
00:54:47.660And again, as this moves forward here, there are these parallel talks taking place between Iran and Oman.
00:54:52.780The president warning Oman not to get in the way of the U.S. naval blockade
00:54:57.200and the efforts to control the Strait of Hormuz.
00:54:59.580And we know that that naval blockade is costing the Iranian regime hundreds of millions of dollars each day.
00:55:04.820And this economic pressure, coupled with the sanctions that are expected to be announced this week by the U.S. Treasury,
00:55:10.160it's adding more domestic pressure on the regime and those officials in tehran to change their
00:55:15.620behavior possibly come back to the negotiating table as a lot of rhetoric is still floating
00:55:20.040around the middle east you know one thing i have not heard trey is about the red sea and the houthi
00:55:23.960rebels so there was a little more to that but that's a lot that's a lot and um how do you guys
00:55:31.840feel just your feelings about president trump saying that the number one priority for the u.s
00:55:38.820is the nuclear issue um i just want to know in the chat get a read on you guys and while you're
00:55:45.800answering about how that makes you feel if you agree with that priority um marcella you know
00:55:51.900that that was a lot going on there so now we're we're i guess threatening omans
00:55:57.760we're like oh man oh man um you know he don't know what kind of bubble president trump is in
00:56:08.520But I don't agree with him. I think the priority should be the U.S. and should be the U.S. not losing their government to communism, socialism now, then communism later.
00:56:21.740Um, that's what I would want. I would want his focus. Um, and also, you know, for him to prioritize why we elected him, which is the things that he promised, which one was peace. Um, and that's not going to happen.
00:56:41.360And if he thinks Iran is going to, you know, basically collapse because of the issues that we're having now economically, they'd rather kill their own people and eat them than, unfortunately, than lose to the U.S.
00:57:02.940Like, he should know better than that, you know.
00:57:06.440but maybe he has like that you know scott would say maybe he would say oh there's like some plan
00:57:14.020behind it so i have to give him the benefit of the doubt of course and and see what what turns
00:57:19.780up before the mid turns yeah okay so for sure he knows things we don't know um yes sean we can
00:57:27.300multitask but we're talking about israel hamas ukraine russia now oman and jordan and iran and
00:57:38.880it's like holy crap you know it's a lot so sean's point is that we can multitask that's true but
00:57:48.020your president your commander-in-chief is saying that the number one objective of the united states0.94
00:57:53.180is Iran and stopping them from a nuclear weapon. His number one objective should be America first.
00:58:01.080That's what I am not agreeing with. Not that he can't do the Iran thing.0.99
00:58:08.160Right. All right, Owen, what are your thoughts on where his focus is?
00:58:13.080I think I'm in alignment with Marcela. I think I'd rather he's focusing on what's most pressing
00:58:18.480within our country. I have been saying for a long time that I would like this whole Iran thing to1.00
00:58:23.100just come to a close. And I think it's going to hurt midterms. I think if we end up not keeping
00:58:29.140control of Congress, I would pin it on this. I would pin it on the fact that what you're hearing
00:58:35.420from Trump is that's where his mind is. And I understand he might be multitasking and he is.
00:58:41.540I mean, I see evidence that there's all sorts of things going on with lowering drug prices and
00:58:46.260trying to make housing more affordable, trying to make food more affordable. I see those headlines.
00:58:51.420But when you hear, like, my focus is keeping Iran from having a nuclear weapon, I don't want to discount that as a risk. I mean, that's an existential risk to us as well as Israel. But at the same time, it's like, okay, if that's where his primary focus is, then it's not on us.0.66
00:59:10.040And it's not on the problems that voters are going to be caring about in November.
00:59:15.140And that means if we lose control of Congress, then a lot less happens over the next two years.
00:59:21.080And it also makes people think, well, maybe we should, you know, elect someone else in 28 that does care about what's really the pain point of the average American citizen as opposed to what's going on halfway across the world.
00:59:35.820So, Owen, in two minutes, a lot of people in the chats are saying, well, you know, Iran not having a nuke is a priority. I'm afraid of them having a nuke. But that's like a separate type of issue. Like, yeah, you don't want anyone to have a nuke. That's your enemy. But so what would you say to those people?0.53
00:59:56.000well again i think it's a legitimate concern i i and i don't think we should ignore it but at the
01:00:02.240same time i don't know i mean it's hard for us to know what the truth is on like how close are they
01:00:07.820and what you know what even what would they do if they had one but like i i think um there i'm i'm
01:00:16.240mainly just speaking to the political optics of this more than anything and the persuasion and
01:00:20.800things like that. If the media is focused on this all the time, and certainly Trump contributes to
01:00:28.180that by what he tells them and what he says is his top priority, and even just how his actions
01:00:34.200are speaking in terms of where are we spending billions or trillions of dollars and what's
01:00:41.160dominating the headlines because of that, then again, I just think it's going to hurt us
01:00:46.520politically. And I think it's going to mean that, you know, we may end up in a much worse place
01:00:51.460across many fronts if Democrats have control of Congress in the next two years or about how many
01:00:57.500times can we impeach Trump? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's what it'll be. I just I just don't want
01:01:02.960to even deal with that again. That was brutal. All right. So good. Good show, you guys. You know,
01:01:09.440it's interesting things that we're talking about. And I'm assuming it's just going to get more
01:01:14.820interesting as time goes by. Yeah. Hayden Panettiere has died at the age of 36. I didn't
01:01:21.200hear what happened. She's an actor. She used to be in my soap opera. She was very talented
01:01:25.300and I know she had a lot of, um, mental health issues and some other sketchy stuff going on,
01:01:32.280but you know, rest in peace, uh, Hayden. And, um, listen, you guys tomorrow we have Joshua
01:01:39.300elisek wednesday mark mitchell formerly from rasmussen reports he was like their guy um he's
01:01:47.860no longer with them and has started his own polling company and scott and mark used to trade a lot of
01:01:54.34025 percent polls so he's going to be here uh talking to us he even offered to come to my studio
01:02:00.660which is you know right here in my house and i was like that's not necessary but
01:02:04.420that'd be cool we're practically neighbors we live very close to each other so um that'll be
01:02:10.680fun and on thursday brian romley will be here so we have the the middle of the week we are
01:02:16.280chunky with guests so that's going to be fun and then we'll end it most likely with the home team
01:02:21.800on friday okay so thanks you guys for being here we're gonna say thank you to scott and
01:02:27.540shelly for allowing the show to continue it's a great time with you guys and um let's let's get
01:02:34.740out there you guys let's be useful let's think about what would scott do what would scott say
01:02:39.580but um work on your affirmations write them down and i'll stay for an akira song if anyone wants
01:02:46.560to hang out if not you guys can jet and um let's have a closing sip to scott okay to scott let's
01:02:54.380by you guys all right i'm just gonna i'm gonna like blindly pick a song ready
01:03:05.860i picked the payoff all right we're going with the payoff what if laziness is a habit of thinking
01:03:14.740about the cost of things or the effort instead of thinking about the payoff