00:16:37.660they have not had a great response from the federal government so far, from what I'm hearing,
00:16:42.260that there isn't a great amount of debris clearance. There's not a lot of money yet
00:16:46.660coming in there. And if the reason for that is that Washington state is governed by Democrats
00:16:55.320and that Seattle is governed by socialists or whatever, that's really not a good reason.
00:16:59.440And the people who are going to be hurt by that are actually the Trump voters
00:17:01.920on the eastern side of the mountains so this really can't be about partisan labels and i'm
00:17:08.620as partisan as anybody when it comes to the big national issues international issues but what i've
00:17:13.520really learned since the fire is that you have to take the d's and the r's and just throw them away
00:17:17.160when it comes to rebuilding your community because it doesn't help anybody the only way it helps is
00:17:21.660if people can use their political connections in instrumental ways to help the community so
00:17:27.460I have Democrats coming to me saying, hey, can you talk to your friends in the Republican
00:17:32.940caucus in the Senate? Can you talk to the White House? Can you talk to the media? I was on Fox
00:17:38.040Business today talking about it. And people are asking me that. I ask Democratic friends when
00:17:42.860there are issues that arise, can you talk to Democratic officials about this? Can you get
00:17:46.780us a meeting with a Democratic congressman who might not meet with me, but maybe they'll meet
00:17:50.420with you and talk about this issue. So you learn to use political connections on either side to
00:17:57.100benefit your community, and you have to do that. You respect each other's political identities,
00:18:01.460each other's broader political beliefs, but you work together in that way. And I think that's how
00:18:05.440things need to happen locally. And to some extent, that needs to be reflected nationally as well. We
00:18:11.780really cannot withhold aid based on political identity. Now, we can withhold it for other
00:18:17.420reasons if we know it's going to be wasted. But I think there's a path forward. I think the
00:18:21.940president could simply sign a law with a couple extra paragraphs. You know, 9-11 is coming up,
00:18:26.400the 25th anniversary later this week. After 9-11, Congress established the 9-11 victimization
00:18:32.580fund or the victim's compensation fund. And there are two paragraphs in that law that created what
00:18:40.040was called a special master to oversee the funds to make sure that it was actually going to be
00:18:43.540spent on the families of the victims. And it was run by a guy named Kenneth Feinberg, who has since
00:18:49.000gone on to do similar things after other disasters. He had great respect from everybody. And you need
00:18:54.920somebody like that to handle the money that comes to disaster areas, federally declared disaster
00:19:00.660areas in states that have massive financial problems like California does. So anyway,
00:19:06.300that's the issue I'm on a soapbox about today is making sure that President Trump
00:19:12.020sets politics aside, Gavin Newsom sets politics aside, and they get together and at least get
00:19:17.760the emergency funding to people who need it. Because honestly, it just doesn't matter. At
00:19:22.620local level, it does not matter. You just have to get that aid. Otherwise people are in serious
00:19:26.800trouble. And no, it's not indefinite, but people are still struggling. People are struggling to
00:19:31.120rebuild. People are selling because they can't afford to keep their homes anymore. It's still
00:19:35.000a disaster that's ongoing. And so it needs to be. Yeah. Well, when you see the high speed rail to
00:19:40.120nowhere and a butterfly bridge that connects to nothing, you're just like, okay, there's some
00:19:46.600money that you wasted. And when Nick Shirley is exposing everything he's exposing, it's pretty
00:19:52.120frustrating marcella you're there in la you know what do you think about what joel's saying
00:19:57.800so for the further extension for fema doesn't california have to ask for it and submit a new
00:20:04.680request or can trump do it i mean i guess trump can do it without the request right because um
00:20:12.440california asked for one more year i i don't know exactly and those are all good questions
00:20:17.560But I just don't sense right now a level of commitment from either side.
00:20:21.980And what's interesting is that I talked to people in the White House right after the fire, and they were very eager to help California.
00:20:28.960The people I talked to, they were saying things like, well, we're just going to give them whatever they ask for, because traditionally that's what happens.
00:20:35.660And I was a little disappointed by that because I wanted to see some financial oversight.
00:20:39.780But I shrugged and said, OK, I guess that's what happens.
00:20:42.900But over time, that attitude changed and it changed because of Gavin Newsom.
00:20:46.000Gavin Newsom decided to pick a fight with the administration. And you might say, oh, it's very
00:20:49.980petty of Trump to respond in that way. But it's not actually petty because Newsom is suing Trump
00:20:54.940to stop nationwide policies using cherry-picked courts in California and other Ninth Circuit
00:21:01.680jurisdictions. And he's trying to stop Trump from governing. That's not something Trump can ignore.
00:21:07.820So I think Newsom's behaved incredibly irresponsibly. Look, he's not a guy who's
00:21:13.200good at getting things done all right he just isn't he's good at posturing he's good at the
00:21:17.820social issues if you're a democrat you know he's not been good on african-american issues i see him
00:21:23.180now posting pictures of himself in selma you know they all go to selma and they all do the march and
00:21:28.600they all do this and that i mean it's actually pathetic to sort of you know via dolorosa of
00:21:34.280democratic uh nominations you know you've got to hit all the stations to get to the actually joel
00:21:39.640Well, can I show you a clip that I saw of Newsom today?
00:21:42.180Because it's under my heading of, I had to see it.
00:22:35.520He has a lot of trouble with body language.
00:22:38.420first of all he looks very thin i don't know if that's the camera angle or the lighting but i
00:22:44.200had noticed i hadn't noticed that before he's lost weight he's lost now now i don't know if that's
00:22:50.740deliberate but that does not look good it looks unhealthy actually he looks too skinny
00:22:54.860um you know you've got uh el sayed in michigan you know pumping iron trying to look bigger i
00:23:00.340don't know what newsom's play is there but he's maybe he's done some crazy you know ozempic thing
00:23:05.420I have no idea. Not to knock, you know, it's a helpful drug for people. But, you know, Newsom,
00:23:11.900I don't know, he's lost weight. The other thing is, I was, I was going to say, at least he didn't
00:23:15.600cross his legs, and then he crossed his legs. So this leg crossing thing, I mean, look, we all have
00:23:20.540different postures that feel comfortable to us. I'm not saying that anything is right or wrong,
00:23:25.220a right way to sit, wrong way to sit. But my goodness, man, I mean, if you're trying to look
00:23:29.180presidential, you don't do and I'm with apologies to the women in the audience. If you're a man,
00:23:34.560you don't do the feminine leg crossing thing it's just not what you do it doesn't it doesn't convey
00:23:40.260strength it conveys all of this yeah well he's always done that jazz hands craziness but it
00:23:46.720doesn't even match what he's saying like it's like yeah so wacky it's a way of trying to be
00:23:53.560expressive it's almost a way of trying to keep his mind engaged that kind of thing is almost a
00:23:58.380technique when you're bored to make sure that you're still paying attention he looks like he's
00:24:02.320on coke to me like we all watched him right we all said cocaine last week i i love playing these
00:24:08.560weird clips of him he's like pulling on his jacket and his sleeves and he's like doing this thing
00:24:14.200but like what he's talking about was like serious and you know what the sweater thing is right you
00:24:18.860know you know that's a reference to mr rogers oh car no no it's his reference to jimmy carter
00:24:24.400right because jimmy carter did these fireside chats with with the sweater and he turned the
00:24:28.760thermostat down in the White House. And it was famously lampooned, I think, by Chevy Chase or
00:24:33.300whoever on Saturday Night Live. So he's kind of like reaching in his pop culture memory.
00:24:39.020And he's trying to be all cute, like you mentioned that I might be president. But
00:24:43.080you know, it's, he doesn't come across as serious in any way. And again, the leg crossing thing,
00:24:49.880what he's doing by crossing his legs in that interview is saying, my comfort is what I'm
00:24:57.740focused on. I'm focused on my comfort. I'm not really focused on being a leader in a way, or I'm
00:25:04.900not focused on interacting with the audience. She has great posture. She has great body language in
00:25:11.220that interview. She looks powerful. He is fidgeting, squirming. Maybe they should have moved the chair
00:25:16.480back about six inches. He looks too close to her. Maybe they kept it close for some camera angle
00:25:21.300reason i don't know but uh it just looks bad and then you know he he's trying to again to spin this
00:25:28.580idea that he is different from other democrats this is a general election message not a party
00:25:34.420based kind of message but you notice he mentions there people don't like my guests what he's
00:25:38.920talking about are democrats who don't like his guests they don't like steve bannon they don't
00:25:42.140like charlie kirk they don't like you know the conservatives by the way he will not interview a
00:25:46.720California conservative. The only exception is Savage. He interviewed Savage from Savage Nation
00:25:53.620because they have a long personal relationship, Savage being from San Francisco, but they will
00:25:57.700not interview a California conservative. Who are they? What's that? Who's a California conservative?
00:26:03.840Well, if you're not going to talk to me, talk to John Fleischman or talk to Susan Crabtree
00:26:08.240or talk to Katie Grimes. I mean, talk to writers who have a real handle on California political
00:26:16.200issues. Talk to Ashley Zavala. She's not a conservative. She works for KCRA in Sacramento,
00:26:21.460but she's one of the best political reporters in California. She knows chapter and verse on just
00:26:26.740about everything going on. He won't talk to one of those people. He won't have one of them on his
00:26:30.120podcast because they're going to ask him, why haven't you built any reservoirs? Why haven't
00:26:34.900you made the highways better? Where are the desalination plants? What about this high-speed
00:26:39.640rail we're throwing money at? What are you doing? And so he doesn't want to answer those questions.
00:26:45.840There's your challenge, Governor Newsom. Talk to them. Talk to any one of them, and then we'll think that you're a little bit more serious. That's the challenge.
00:26:54.080I did volunteer myself when he started this, but they wrote back as if it was possible, but it's not, obviously. They don't want to talk to somebody who would challenge him.
00:27:04.160No, absolutely not. Do you have time to stay?
00:27:08.180I'm going to stay today. I've got my little earpiece in. I'm going to listen to my editorial call on the earpiece while we talk.
00:27:15.620I'm so glad you can stay because I want to give two amazing opposing examples of something Scott
00:27:25.780would have a field day with. And, um, okay. So remember yesterday we were talking about Amy
00:27:32.360Acton. Owen brought up a story about Amy Acton and how somebody charged forward in the crowd
00:27:38.040that had holstered guns, um, and that it was scary. And then I said, Oh, is that like the,
00:27:42.720the drunk sounding lady like Kamala. So I just want you guys to hear two different ways of
00:27:50.620speaking. And one is not effective and one is very effective, but let's start with Amy Acton.
00:27:57.000So she's running in Ohio against Vivek Ramaswamy. She's running unopposed as a Democrat.
00:28:03.800It's so astounding to me that after watching Kamala for all these years, that this is actually
00:28:09.920how people let her go out and speak. It's like drunk 2.0. Let's go.
00:28:19.760She's warming up. That's great. Hi, everybody. Happy Labor Day. Oh, good to see everyone.
00:28:31.040It is so good to see you all here today. It's a little warm. Thank you. It's a little hot,
00:28:38.460but we are absolutely sitting in that inflection point i am honored to be here and honored to be
00:28:46.180with all of you in this moment look i'm a doctor i am not a politician i'm becoming one right in
00:28:53.300front of your eyes my last election was in high school okay i did win so we were one for one in
00:29:02.880elected office. We're on a winning streak. Oh, my God. So she just freaks me out. She's like
00:29:12.820Hillary and Kamala mushed together, slurring her words. It's a little bit of that. What was his
00:29:20.540name? Who who did the fatal scream and then ruined his campaign? Oh, my God. I can't.
00:34:11.760You know, like, so this worker power thing, it's supposedly going to be helping workers.
00:34:16.380But it's really kind of communist because what it's saying is that workers need to
00:34:21.480constantly seek more power using a government institution to do so.
00:34:26.960And we're not talking about economic power.
00:34:28.280We're talking about political power. It's kind of like Fidel Castro saying that the revolution continued, you know, once he already had seized power.
00:34:34.840I mean, it's kind of like it's 189th time we've tried this and it's going to be sort of a joke.
00:34:42.880But that's what's happening to the Democratic Party. It's what's going to happen to the country.
00:34:47.260And so Republicans need a way to say that and to present that to people. I think that's what's going to happen.
00:34:51.220OK, so interesting. Yes. And hi, Owen. Welcome in.
00:34:58.280let's get his mic up and running so i i want i i agree it's all interesting but joel this
00:35:05.980clip i am so excited for you to be here to listen to because all i could think of was
00:35:12.780i don't want to give it away oh no you guys will all feel the same way is just
00:35:17.620scott approving of how masterful jared kushner is in his response to that loser richard engel
00:35:27.680um so richard engel wants to ask him like a obnoxious little gotcha question but listen to
00:35:34.580how this is this is not about whether you guys like him don't like him whatever just listen to
00:35:40.160how he answers and god give me the strength please to just remember to be this calm and
00:35:46.840thoughtful and rational when i speak to people but let's take a let's take a look richard engel
00:35:53.540from NBC News. This is for Mr. Witkoff and Jared Kushner. You have been involved in numerous
00:36:00.960negotiations around the world. Why should people have any confidence in your capacity to succeed
00:36:07.520here? You were involved in the Gaza negotiations, but Gaza remains a wasteland. There's been real,
00:36:14.160no progress there. Iran, you were involved in those negotiations. The war is still going on.
00:36:19.580you've been involved in several rounds of negotiations. In this conflict, it's only
00:36:24.040getting more intense. So you're relaunching negotiations now. What's the likelihood they
00:36:30.300will succeed when other negotiations you've been involved in have not? These are some of the
00:36:35.340hardest problem sets in the world, you know, and I think that you have to try and you have to bring
00:36:40.300to it. Obviously, Steve and I bring different approaches to these things, but we work very
00:36:45.540well together as partners. But we're not bringing our approaches. We're really representing
00:36:49.220President Trump and we're doing it the way that he wants to see these things done. And working
00:36:52.960with President Trump, you know, in the first term, obviously, we achieved a lot of unthinkable
00:36:57.520things, whether it was achieving the Abraham Accords, which nobody thought was possible. We
00:37:01.860achieved the USMCA, the biggest trade deal in history, made a great deal with China. And the
00:37:07.520list just goes on and on. We just celebrated the World Cup in America. That was a deal that I led
00:37:11.200on President Trump's behalf to win for America. The same thing with the Olympics that will be
00:37:15.560coming up. So, you know, you have to take on hard things. The tone of your question was a little bit
00:37:20.160like, why haven't you done every single impossible thing possible? We are very honored to be able to
00:37:25.320have the opportunity to work on these under President Trump's leadership. And we're very
00:37:30.000committed to giving it everything we can. And I think President Trump has a track record of doing
00:37:34.980impossible things. I think the last administration, they didn't go to Russia. I mean, I think they had
00:37:39.480one visit with the CIA director. But, you know, there's a war. I mean, every day there are soldiers
00:37:44.560on the front line from both sides and they want to go home to their families and their people
00:37:48.080in these cities who have who have bombs dropping and their lives are very disrupted and they want
00:37:52.960to see that put to an end and so if the answer was simple then somebody would have solved it but I
00:37:59.460think President Trump's general framework is that if something is worthy and important and will have
00:38:04.260a big impact he doesn't matter how much he'll get criticized by people in the press or different
00:38:09.000critics he wants to go after it and he's asked Steve and I to do that on his behalf and we'll
00:38:13.960do our best to try to get an outcome. And so I know that if we don't try, we will not succeed
00:38:17.940and nothing will change. And it's just important to try. And that's what we're going to try to do.
00:38:22.260So I can't guarantee that there will be success. But what I can promise you and promise everyone
00:38:28.520here in Ukraine and even everyone in Russia is that on behalf of President Trump, Steve and I
00:38:33.200are going to be doing everything we can. We have been doing everything we can to try and find a way
00:38:37.560out of a mess that was created before President Trump's time, which has had a huge toll. And so
00:38:43.240we're going to do our best to try and make progress genius i mean he let richard engel
00:38:50.680ramble on and show that he's a jackass because he is you know what like everybody's so tired
00:38:56.500of questions like that like everyone just wants to do like a gotcha i want to point out something
00:39:01.140wrong with you why don't you try lifting people up for a change stupid media i'm so sick of you
00:39:06.400but jared was like you know what i'm jared kushner i'm calm i'm rational i'm smart i know what i'm
00:39:12.940doing i'm obviously a badass amazing negotiator and here's the answer buddy and i felt like there
00:39:19.840was a lot of scott adams technique in there and jared was a or is a big fan of scott and um i
00:39:27.720appreciated that measured answer and uh joel i thought of you right away when i saw this and
00:39:34.380i actually sent a dm to jared just whether he ever sees it or not but i was just like man oh man
00:39:42.280is Scott like beaming with the way you responded with that answer? Do you agree?
00:39:47.720Well, I think Scott would call that the high ground maneuver, what he did. So the way I would
00:39:52.840have answered that question, not being a persuasion expert as Scott was, would be to list the
00:39:59.320successes that Kushner has had. I would have been defensive. I would have said,
00:40:04.240what are you talking about? I failed. I did the Abraham Accords. I did USMCA. I did the Olympics.
00:40:08.420I did the World Cup. I mean, you're just wrong. That would have been an okay response. But the
00:40:15.260reason this response is so good is he left that part until the end. And what he did instead was
00:40:20.200he reframed it using the high ground maneuver. What's the high ground maneuver? It's if you
00:40:25.660don't try, then it's really impossible. And I'm trying. And that's what I'm doing. I mean,
00:40:30.960you know, and so how can you disagree with that? Everything is worth trying to get to peace,
00:40:37.180to avoid war, to send these soldiers home. And then he sort of throws it back at him and said,
00:40:44.320what you're saying to me is you haven't done all these impossible things, but you're definitely
00:40:49.080not going to do them if you don't try. So we are trying. Oh, and by the way, we also succeeded in
00:40:53.280this case, in this case, in this case. So he kind of gets there eventually as a subset of things
00:40:58.300that happen when you try, but he resets it in a bigger way. Like if you try, you can do it. If
00:41:03.700you don't try you can never do it so i think that's the what scott would call the high ground
00:41:08.580maneuver and it was very effective by the way yeah um i interviewed jared for the scott adams
00:41:15.500biography i also interviewed ivanka trump who if anything was an even bigger fan of scott's than
00:41:22.800jared and so i mean they were both fans that's that's 100 accurate ivanka trump loved scott
00:41:29.920and she was very effective in the white house she's playing much more of a backseat kind of
00:41:36.740role now not really directly involved she's on instagram a lot she did this incredible video
00:41:41.040yesterday of herself riding a horse across a beach which was i showed it to my wife because
00:41:46.860my wife used to do that sort of thing you know in the era before children and bills and stuff like
00:41:51.500that and my wife was like oh my gosh ivanka's living my dream life you know and oh yeah not
00:41:57.280in a jealous way but like that's i'm so glad somebody's enjoying life that way now you know
00:42:01.520but um look they do live a charmed life and people resent that maybe i don't know but
00:42:05.300he he's very effective the funny thing is again back to the point about talking points you know
00:42:09.740when you go on these shows richard engel and these democrats are sharing the same ideas i
00:42:16.240don't know if it's in conference calls or on social media but gavin newsom said almost exactly
00:42:20.560the same thing or his spokesman said it through the gavin newsom press office x account where he
00:42:26.280basically said why are you sending Kushner to solve this problem you know he doesn't do anything
00:42:31.320he's never done anything he's just related to the president I mean that's pretty much exactly what
00:42:36.040Richard Engel was saying so it's like they just delete the facts they just they they delete the
00:42:41.780successes and they just live in the now of Russia hasn't been solved yet and they all share the same
00:42:49.140ideas and they're just going to repeat this over and over again for several days and all the all
00:42:52.900the news shows you know it's like scott said there are some some of them lead it they're called the
00:42:56.520designated liars you know you've got adam schiff and the others and and then you know you've got
00:43:01.120you've got to just try to say something different to shake up the conversation and kushner uses a
00:43:05.560very a very effective technique maybe he got it from scott you know you just reset it you use the
00:43:10.900moral high ground maneuver you know hey we're trying if you don't try you can't succeed i would
00:43:15.420say he absolutely got it from scott because that whole thing about impossible things isn't that
00:43:20.400right out of win bigly like didn't scott say over and over again that's that trump was the one
00:43:25.680president that could do impossible things yes yeah i mean as soon as i heard it i just clicked
00:43:32.040right into scott i was like oh my gosh this was so chef's kiss amazing i loved it and uh and
00:43:39.780kushner read win bigly by the way i mean that that's a book we know for sure he read i just
00:43:44.260think there's no question this came from scott that was scott talking on that screen we also
00:43:48.520have read Winn-Bigley. When Scott met with Trump in the Oval Office, and there's going to be a
00:43:54.540little more information in the book about the Oval Office meeting than you've seen before,
00:43:58.080but when Trump met with Scott, Trump was very familiar with Winn-Bigley. And we don't think
00:44:04.160of Trump as a book reader necessarily. He's well-informed, but we don't necessarily think
00:44:09.040of him reading books. It's possible he read Winn-Bigley, but he certainly was familiar with
00:44:13.020the contents because he asked Scott specific questions about things in the book. So, you know,
00:44:19.420Winn-Bigley was very, very influential in the first Trump administration.
00:44:23.320Oh, yeah. Marcella, I feel like I picture President Trump being like,
00:44:27.400someone just tell me all the good parts of the book about me. Just let me know what they are.
00:44:32.580I'm sure he knows. I'm sure he's informed.
00:44:36.800I don't want to give any spoilers in the book, but Trump said to Scott,
00:44:40.620I didn't realize I was doing that, but I read it and now I guess I do.
00:44:57.720Let me just get Marcella in here first because I just want to hear her reaction to what she
00:45:01.600thought about Jared and just the persuasion of it and the Scott Adams of it.
00:45:06.620i think the main thing that i got out of the video not just what he said but how he said it
00:45:12.780how calm he was and i mean he's the perfect i mean ivanka has the perfect husband right there
00:45:19.240um it's something that he learned either you know by scott and also just in general like
00:45:26.960dealing with difficult issues um this is not the first rodeo he's on and he's solving impossible
00:45:34.760problems but the way that he just talked and he got a little very much like scott too
00:45:42.280yeah the way that he talked was very sweet slow even the guy you could see richard angle like you
00:45:49.560could see him thinking thinking like oh i'm an idiot i can do it yeah like you could see that
00:45:56.360in him and i liked i like the the the what is it the cadence of the talk it's not just what
00:46:04.440he said which joel was right about the high ground maneuver but it's also the way that it was said
00:46:09.420was very persuasive fully great and don't you like how he got his little dig in at richard engel
00:46:14.440even you know he's like well i felt like that question was a little bit you know i was just
00:46:17.840like good but not so much where he became defensive no it was just it got to that line
00:46:25.140yes all right oh and let us have it beautiful i just want to i want to go back to what you said
00:46:30.280about what happened in the Oval Office because like that resonates with me. That happened to
00:46:34.400me once with someone that was a mentor of mine where like he didn't understand why he was so
00:46:41.020effective. He just would act out of instinct, right? Like he wouldn't know why he was doing
00:46:46.180what he was doing. He would just do it. And then there was a situation where like someone else
00:46:50.940tried to copy him and it went terribly and he didn't understand why. And I had to explain it
00:46:55.480to him. I'm like, I know exactly why. Here's what you do. Here's what's different about that person
00:47:00.120and here's why it works for you and why it doesn't. But it had to be another person
00:47:04.000telling him. And I think the reason for that in my mind is when you're a master at something,
00:47:09.840you don't think about it while you're doing it. You just do it. It just comes out of you.
00:47:14.700And I think that's true with any kind of mastery. I mean, the easy example anybody can relate to is
00:47:19.820riding a bike. You know, when you're first learning to ride a bike, you're thinking about
00:47:23.320everything, the pedals, steering, all that stuff. But once you're a master at it, you don't think
00:47:28.160about it. You just get on a bike and ride. And so I think that's what's going on in that situation
00:47:33.180is that Trump probably is doing all the things Scott was describing, but he's not thinking about
00:47:38.200it in those terms when he's doing it. Yeah. It comes naturally to him. And that's what Scott
00:47:42.880would say too. He always said, I think it's just something in him. It comes naturally to him.
00:47:50.160He's never seen anything like it. And I agree. I know a few people that are like that and it's
00:47:55.560just who they are. And it's amazing. Can I agree and disagree? Yeah, of course. I think you guys
00:48:02.440are mostly right. But I also would point out we've seen Trump think things through in this way
00:48:07.480in public, actually, most notably with nicknames. Remember, he told us for weeks that he was coming
00:48:14.680up busy coming up with a nickname for Hillary Clinton and he was going to reveal it. But he
00:48:18.120was thinking about it. And maybe we try this and maybe we try that. We could see him doing this
00:48:23.660kind of a b testing sometimes also of different ideas you know he would say what what slogan do
00:48:28.600you like better keep america great or whatever other one was you know make america great again
00:48:33.020again or whatever it was right he so we kind of it's a bit of both right i mean he he's probably
00:48:38.920got so much of it in him already that it is instinct but there's even that even that is
00:48:45.340part of the genius yeah but we i think i want to give credit to scott for pointing out that some
00:48:52.100of this is probably thought through and not just you know you you're born with this kind of talent
00:48:57.340I mean some of it is some of it is deliberate yeah or like you tried it and it worked and he's
00:49:02.340like oh this worked this was received well let's keep doing things like this yeah I mean I first
00:49:07.560of all I agree like I don't think it's all subconscious and I also don't think it's all
00:49:11.460natural from birth like I think he practiced this over the course of his life and he got good at
00:49:16.100these things and he knew what he was doing when he was practicing it I would guess but once he got
00:49:21.520good enough at it. He didn't need to think about everything every step of the way anymore. And
00:49:25.780that's just how mastery of any skill is. And I think it, you know, especially if you're talking
00:49:31.220about in the moment, like in a press conference like that, like you can't just like stop and
00:49:35.320think through, okay, am I going to take the high ground maneuver or am I going to do, like, you
00:49:39.100have to talk. You just got a question asked, like it's time to answer. You just got to go.
00:49:44.440And so if you're not already practiced at it and you kind of instinctively know what to say,
00:49:48.060then it's not going to work. But once you're a master at it and you've prepared for it,
00:49:54.400not just preparing for that particular question, but that sort of situation, then it just flows
00:49:59.820out of you. And I think that's what I was seeing. But I really think that was Scott Adams talking
00:50:04.320on that stage. I mean, I think a lot of those ideas came from Scott. Yeah, I do too. I'm glad,
00:50:11.720Owen, that it resonated with you like that because it was so obvious to me. I don't know why something
00:50:16.820just hit me over the head i was like whoo um all right so another thing that i had to see that you
00:50:23.460have to see it's not that bad but i i just i please help me help me everybody help me this
00:50:32.500is lindsey clancy's lawyer this morning talking to another genius journalist george stephanopoulos
00:50:39.620um listen to what he says in like the last 15 seconds what's next for lindsey i'd like to
00:50:46.820To say that perhaps Donald Trump, who felt compelled to speak out about this case, may very well, Mr. President, I would hope that you would consider this young lady, the type of person she is, what she's been through, and consider a pardon.
00:53:33.960Because that's the goal, I think, you have to have when you go on any show like this or any other.
00:53:39.880You've got to say something different because everybody's heard it already.
00:53:43.040Everybody can imagine, you know, we all divide into camps, right, based on whether we think Clancy should go free or Clancy should get the death penalty or whatever.
00:53:51.820Like, you know, very little daylight between those.
00:53:54.220And Marcella comes in and says, well, let me look at it.
00:53:56.760Let's look at it from a totally different perspective.
00:53:58.420I mean, let's look at what's happening here.
00:53:59.800He's not just kind of being the best defense lawyer he can be and you hate him or you love him, but he's also using a technique here that is changing the way we're going to debate this.
00:54:10.640You know, so it's it's and it's kind of like a trap for for Trump to fall into as well.
00:54:17.180Yeah, I'll say this about it. I mean, I kind of you can't really joke about this.
00:54:20.740It's the most horrific case, but I did sort of tell a joke off camera.
00:54:26.300I was on Fox News at night a couple of weeks ago.