Rebel News Podcast - A 20-year-old man in London, Ontario kills a Muslim family with his car. Was it terrorism？

00:00:00.000 Hello, my rebels. Today, I talk about a very touchy subject, a very sympathetic subject,

00:00:06.440 a terrible subject, a sad subject, and a politicized subject, namely the accused mass

00:00:14.200 murder by Nathaniel Veltman of the Afzal family on the streets of London, Ontario.

00:00:20.940 Is it a murder? Is it terrorism? Was it motivated by anti-Muslim sentiment?

00:00:27.980 Well, those are questions that will get answered in the days and weeks ahead.

00:00:33.160 But what are the politicians doing about it already? I'll get into some of the answers there,

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00:01:33.060 Tonight, a 20-year-old man in London, Ontario, kills a Muslim family with his car.

00:01:38.700 Or was it terrorism? It's June 9th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.

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00:01:49.260 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:53.320 The only thing I have to say to the government, the wire publisher, is because it's my bloody right

00:01:58.520 to do something. On Sunday night, a 20-year-old man in London, Ontario, allegedly drove his car

00:02:08.940 into a Muslim family, the Afzals. On the street, killing four people, injuring another. Nathaniel 1.00

00:02:17.860 Veltman has been charged with four counts of first-degree murder and one count of attempted

00:02:22.160 murder. The victims are Muslim. The suspect, Veltman, is a Dutch Christian name, not Jewish, 0.84

00:02:29.120 and I mention that only because it's relevant to some of the political reaction we've seen.

00:02:32.620 I'll get to that a bit later. This is a terrible event. It's a terrible crime. It's been front-page

00:02:39.340 news. Politicians of every stripe have made public speeches about it, in part because the victims were

00:02:44.620 Muslim and it is allegedly a hate crime. One witness said Veltman was wearing a helmet and what

00:02:50.200 looked like a bulletproof vest. Another witness said Veltman was laughing when he was arrested.

00:02:55.860 Now, national police resources are being deployed, so it's being taken very seriously. There's also

00:03:01.040 a chance that means it could be politicized by a very political Trudeau RCMP. But as of yet,

00:03:08.600 Veltman has not been charged with a hate crime or with terrorism, though that may come. Witnesses say

00:03:15.940 he was barreling down the road at a very high speed. One question that will likely have to be

00:03:21.820 answered is, was he looking to kill Muslim people in particular, or was the Muslim family he happened 0.98

00:03:28.100 to hit just the unlucky random victims? Because if I understand the facts correctly, the collision 0.97

00:03:34.140 didn't happen outside a mosque or at a Muslim event, but on a busy street. Did Veltman know he'd be

00:03:41.860 hitting Muslims? Did he see people who were visibly Muslims? I understand that the women were not 0.96

00:03:48.000 wearing hijabs, for example. Is that a fact? Did he swerve into them? For what reason? I don't think 0.99

00:03:55.160 all of that relevant information has been reported yet. It won't lessen the pain of the loss. Four

00:04:01.240 people are dead, but it will color the nature of the crime, won't it? So what do I think? What should

00:04:08.200 we think? Well, obviously we're against violence. We're against murder. And if violence has a

00:04:16.120 political or religious motive, that's a working definition of terrorism. We're against that, of

00:04:21.340 course. So far, I've seen no reports of Veltman's social media footprints. Anything he's said or done on

00:04:29.100 Facebook or Instagram or whatever that might yield a clue to his state of mind. Facebook Canada says

00:04:36.180 they've deleted an account that they think is connected with them. I wonder what they have

00:04:40.900 removed from public view. I suppose it'll come out closer to the trial. I'm curious about that.

00:04:46.600 But in some ways, I'm also glad Facebook took down his page. If he were following or liking other

00:04:53.080 pages on Facebook, those people would obviously be blamed, even if there was no connection to the

00:04:57.840 killing. I remember that Alexandre Bissonnette, the murderer at the Quebec City Mosque, followed Facebook

00:05:03.700 pages related to the NDP, the separatist party in Quebec, and also Donald Trump. Well, guess which

00:05:13.060 one of them was blamed by the media for the murder? So in that sense, I'm loathe to do a political

00:05:19.600 commentary about this tragedy just yet. We don't have all the facts in yet. And I don't know how much

00:05:27.780 there would be to say other than to condemn it and to have sympathy with the victims. When a Jewish 0.99

00:05:33.680 synagogue was attacked in Pittsburgh a few years ago, it was a mass murder of 11 people. I didn't

00:05:39.800 feel the need to opine on it as news commentary. I obviously am against the murder. It was politically

00:05:46.200 and in that case, anti-Semitic motivations. It's a reminder that evil exists among us. But I frankly

00:05:52.800 didn't feel compelled to make a larger political statement based on it, even though it was my tribe

00:05:58.000 that was attacked. I guess I could have opined that violent anti-Semitism is not over, which would be

00:06:04.560 useful to say only in that I think the media has stopped caring so much about it ever since anti-Semitism

00:06:09.720 has become a de facto cause of the left, especially on campuses and in the Democratic Party in the

00:06:16.200 States and the Labor Party in the UK. But as to the crime in London, Ontario, sometimes it takes a

00:06:23.380 while, maybe days, maybe weeks, to distinguish a political crime from a crime of madness or another

00:06:29.280 non-political motive, such as someone seeking media notoriety. I mean, for example, here's Nicholas

00:06:34.980 Cruz, who murdered 17 people in a Florida school a few years back in what actually became America's worst

00:06:42.640 school shootings.

00:06:46.200 Hello, my name is Nick, and I'm going to be the next school shooter of 2018. My goal is at least 20 people

00:07:00.800 with an AR-15 and a couple of trace rounds. I think I can do a good time. Location is Stone Douglas

00:07:09.060 in Parkland, Florida. It's going to be a big event. And when you see me on the news, you'll all know who I am.

00:07:21.660 So is that Florida mass shooting political? The murderer was so antisocial, he moved schools six

00:07:28.720 times in three years. There were literally dozens of complaints to the local police department about him

00:07:35.640 as a teenager in the years before the killing. A school counselor reported to the police that he

00:07:41.460 was both suicidal and wanted to buy a gun, but no one did anything to stop it. After that Florida

00:07:47.920 shooting, there was a political inquiry into it. It revealed how the school system ignored warning

00:07:52.600 signs, and it showed that on the day of the shooting, local police were, well, they were cowardly.

00:07:57.980 They hid rather than rushing in to save. The local sheriff, in fact, was eventually suspended

00:08:04.720 by the governor and other police resigned. And some students from that school became activists,

00:08:09.660 including a leftist named David Hogg and a conservative named Kyle Kashuv. So that's the

00:08:15.640 politics of that. What is going on here in London? I don't know if there were systemic failures

00:08:23.180 that can have a political wrinkle to them. I think a lot will depend on the facts.

00:08:29.260 Was it a deliberate targeting of Muslims? What was Veltman's motive? But even though I don't think

00:08:36.440 those facts are known yet, well, there has already been a very political response. Of course,

00:08:43.440 I understand a public response. It's a tragedy, and most likely a crime. But I think the response

00:08:50.000 has gone much beyond that for political reasons. Here's Justin Trudeau announcing that it was

00:08:57.540 terrorism. Now, police haven't said that. Veltman hasn't been charged with that. Maybe Trudeau is

00:09:04.180 using the word in its plain meaning. It is a terrifying and heartbreaking crime. But is it normal for a 1.00

00:09:10.920 politician so senior, who is the boss of the RCMP, to announce publicly before a trial, and the facts

00:09:19.420 are aired before the investigation is likely even done, to announce a conclusion like that? And to

00:09:26.280 mention right-wingers? Do we know that? Or is that just Trudeau's usual shtick of calling anyone

00:09:32.560 who opposes him both racist and violent and trying to hang this around the neck of Trudeau's political

00:09:39.000 enemies? 0.66

00:09:40.000 Their lives were taken in a brutal, cowardly, and brazen act of violence. This killing was

00:09:48.680 no accident. This was a terrorist attack motivated by hatred in the heart of one of our communities.

00:09:58.340 They were all targeted because of their Muslim faith. This is happening here in Canada. And 0.98

00:10:08.580 it has to stop.

00:10:10.620 Mr. Speaker, we stand with the people of London and with Muslim communities across the country.

00:10:18.240 We're going to continue to fund initiatives like the Security Infrastructure Program to

00:10:22.280 help protect communities at risk and their schools and places of worship. We'll continue to fight

00:10:29.520 hate online and offline, which includes taking even more action to dismantle far-right hate

00:10:37.840 groups like we did with the Proud Boys by adding them to Canada's terror listing. And we'll

00:10:44.200 continue doing everything we can to keep communities safe.

00:10:49.400 Who knows? Maybe those things will all prove to be true. Maybe Trudeau was briefed privately

00:10:56.340 in a way the public hasn't been. Maybe the RCMP has already come to their conclusion. Could

00:11:01.680 be. The reports of a helmet, body armor, speeding car, laughter, they certainly point to a terrible

00:11:08.940 motivation. But unlike the Pittsburgh synagogue, which was obviously a Jewish target, this was

00:11:15.840 on a more neutral highway. I guess I'm just saying it adds another question that may well

00:11:20.680 be answered, but I don't know if it's been answered yet. You know, there was another mass

00:11:25.620 attack in Canada on the street just two months ago, actually. Look at this story. North Vancouver

00:11:33.460 stabbing attack. Suspect's friend says she's shocked as police search for motive. This guy,

00:11:39.800 Yannick Bandaugo, if I'm saying it right, he allegedly stabbed seven people on the street,

00:11:47.180 murdering one woman, wounding the others. Six of the seven victims were women. That could

00:11:53.860 be a coincidence. I don't know. But there wasn't a national reaction in the same way there is

00:11:59.400 to the London attack. In fact, the news pretty much went away in a day out there in Vancouver.

00:12:04.900 There wasn't a national movement of mourning. It didn't get the Ecole Polytechnique treatment,

00:12:10.860 the Montreal Massacre treatment, even though it was six women. I don't know why, other than my

00:12:16.760 earlier point, crimes are not inherently political. Madness can be a factor. And let's be candid,

00:12:22.320 please. The accused in the Vancouver stabbings is a visible minority, which doesn't fit the woke 0.90

00:12:27.860 political narrative of what did Trudeau say, right-wing white supremacists, whatever. Again,

00:12:34.140 I say, let's wait for a trial for the facts to come out. But that's not what's happening in

00:12:39.620 London, Ontario. It's political from the beginning. If Veltman did deliberately murder these people

00:12:45.820 because they're Muslim, well, I believe in capital punishment for murder. So that's my view. And if 1.00

00:12:50.360 he was motivated by politics or religion, we'll charge him with terrorism too. I don't think we have

00:12:56.740 that yet. But what we do have is a media political class that already knows its script. For example,

00:13:04.220 the government of Ontario is brutally shutting down businesses, churches, protests against the

00:13:08.900 lockdown. But they specifically lifted those rules for a memorial for the London family,

00:13:14.300 the Apsels. Now, I appreciate that. I'm sure the community does too. But either you say the rules 0.99

00:13:19.900 are scientific and health-based or you don't. Why is this funeral exempt but no other funerals are?

00:13:26.180 Why is this political cause exempt but no others are? Well, actually, come to think of it, Black Lives

00:13:31.420 Matter was exempt from anti-gathering rules too, come to think of it. Look, I want all of us to be able

00:13:36.920 to meet in happy occasions and sad occasions. I don't believe the pandemic is an acute threat. But if the

00:13:44.340 government really does, why would they allow a super-spreader event like this? Because they 0.92

00:13:50.060 don't really believe it's a super-spreader event. Or if they do, they believe in politics even more.

00:13:57.480 But let me show you just one moment from an otherwise touching memorial. It's a local London

00:14:04.780 imam. This guy, Munir El-Khassam. He spoke very briefly at the memorial. I'm going to show you his

00:14:13.180 whole speech. And it was nice. He was talking about community support until suddenly it went off the

00:14:19.740 rails. And he connected the attack on the Afzal family done by, allegedly, this 20-year-old Dutch

00:14:29.580 Christian. This imam connected it to the recent war between Israel and the terrorist group Hamas,

00:14:38.360 which is based in the Gaza Strip. Now, you can be pro-Israel or you can be pro-Hamas. I think if

00:14:44.300 you're for Hamas, a terrorist group that's literally banned in Canada, I think you have some explaining

00:14:50.300 to do. But it is a point of view. But what does that have to do with this case at all? Nathaniel

00:14:58.440 Veltman sounds like a Jewish name, but it isn't. But so what? That seems to be enough for this imam. 0.89

00:15:04.240 Was he some instrument of Israel? Did Israel get in the car and barrel down the street and try and

00:15:10.140 pick off Muslims? Well, here, watch the imam's whole speech and you decide for yourself. 0.98

00:15:17.460 Bismillah ar-Rahman ar-Rahim. Brother Bilal Rahal asked me to share final words. Well, I don't have to

00:15:27.180 speak. Each and everyone who's present here is a final word. You all said everything that needs to be

00:15:37.080 said except one angle I would like to share with our officials. Now, there's a reason why they say the

00:15:48.580 world is a small village. Every country has a foreign policy. I just want to say whatever is happening

00:16:00.480 in Jerusalem and Gaza is is related to whatever happened in London, Ontario. Period. Thank you.

00:16:14.260 So he links this killing on the street to foreign policy. This 20-year-old kid is now an instrument

00:16:28.400 of foreign policy. He links it to Jerusalem. He specifically tells the politicians to believe

00:16:34.400 him on that. And when he's done, wild cheering and a chant I couldn't quite make out. So you're

00:16:44.560 blaming the Jews. I mean, it's one thing to blame Veltman. I get it. It sounds like he pretty clearly 0.99

00:16:50.380 did this according to witnesses. Why he did it is yet unclear. That's my real question. But this wasn't

00:16:58.360 a condemnation of Veltman. This was an explicit message to the politicians and the attendants.

00:17:03.060 Absolutely clearly blaming foreign policy and I suppose Canadian support for Israel. Blaming Israel.

00:17:12.700 Israel? How's Israel to blame? Is it because Veltman sounds like a Jewish name?

00:17:19.820 That cheering. Holy cow. That cheering at a memorial. That was pretty boisterous cheering, wasn't it?

00:17:26.960 Right. This mass killing of the Afzal family, an innocent family cut down on the street,

00:17:34.880 is an awful tragedy. It sounds like it was murder. And it certainly could be terrorism or motivated by

00:17:41.320 anti-Muslim hatred. Could be. If so, throw the book at them. But in Canada, even if Trudeau has a really

00:17:47.520 urgent tweet to make, we usually have the trial first before announcing a conclusion or a conviction.

00:17:55.200 We have to get along peacefully in Canada. We have to eschew violence. And I think that applies to

00:18:01.720 everyone, including an imam who got wild applause for blaming Israel while Canadian politicians of every

00:18:10.420 party sat there in silence. Stay with us for more.

00:18:15.340 Hey, welcome back. Well, yesterday I showed you that Manitoba is the first Canadian province

00:18:32.320 to bring in a vaccine passport. I showed you also that you must agree to disclose your information

00:18:40.840 to third parties. They don't quite say who. But of course, Manitoba is just a province. It doesn't

00:18:47.720 control things like international borders or real passports. That's under the purview of the federal

00:18:53.460 government. Well, today, the government of Canada and the Liberals say they are contemplating an actual

00:18:59.420 vaccine passport where, if you want to be able to travel freely back and forth into Canada from a

00:19:05.840 foreign place, you must get the vaccine. Here's Trudeau on that in question period today.

00:19:12.280 To ensure that somebody tests negative before they leave an approved accommodation by the government

00:19:19.820 when they come into Canada by plane has worked in order to detect cases and to protect Canadians

00:19:27.600 from bringing in variants of COVID-19. We know that we must continue to protect Canadians

00:19:35.040 as a priority during this pandemic. But we also recognize that people who are fully vaccinated

00:19:42.360 should be able to have more freedoms.

00:19:44.980 So he's contemplating ending the 14-day COVID jail quarantine hotels and removing the quarantine in

00:19:52.980 particular, if I'm understanding him correctly, here to correct me if I'm wrong is our friend Andrew

00:19:57.740 Lawton from The Andrew Lawton Show at tnc.news. Andrew, did I correctly understand him? I mean,

00:20:03.200 he just came out with this a moment ago. I understand that they're aiming to end their hotel quarantine

00:20:09.420 hotels. I think those are likely to be struck down by the federal court. Rebel News, JCCF, and others

00:20:16.060 were in court last week, and I heard that the government had a really bad go of it. I think the COVID

00:20:20.840 jails are on their way out. But what do you make, did I understand correctly, that there wouldn't be

00:20:25.760 a 14-day quarantine at all if you had vaccination? So what they announced today, and by the way,

00:20:32.520 they haven't even committed to a start date. They're saying they'd like to do this sometime in

00:20:37.600 early July, is for people who are fully vaccinated and provide proof of that, you would need to get a

00:20:44.120 departure test before you get on a plane for Canada, like now. And then on arrival, you would also

00:20:49.240 take another test at the airport or when you get home in the case of land crossings. And then you

00:20:54.880 have to go into quarantine until that arrival test comes back negative. So your quarantine is basically

00:21:01.120 as long as it takes for that test that you take at the airport or once you cross the border to come

00:21:06.360 back. So two days, perhaps. Well, Trudeau phrased that you'll get more freedom if you take the jab,

00:21:13.980 but that's another way of saying you'll get less freedom if you don't. One of the things that I've

00:21:19.840 noticed, and it's been very frustrating to me, Andrew, is that there was a point in time when

00:21:24.680 freedoms were infringed based on health care measures. So how many people are in intensive

00:21:34.740 care units? How many people are in the hospital? How many people are dying? In fact, you'll remember

00:21:40.020 the rationale for the lockdown at the very beginning was two weeks to flatten the curve. And by flatten

00:21:44.680 the curve, they meant we can't all get sick at once. That'll overwhelm our hospitals. We've got

00:21:48.920 to slow the rate that we're getting sick. We can't stop people from getting sick. You know, life goes

00:21:55.360 on, but we can't overwhelm the hospitals. That's why in the States, they sent those hospital ships of

00:22:00.380 the U.S. Navy to LA and New York to take the overflow. It was never needed. But at least back then,

00:22:05.700 Andrew, the test was, can we make sure we don't overwhelm the hospitals? That's not happening.

00:22:14.360 Hospitalizations are down. Deaths are down. Intensive care units are down. And even cases,

00:22:20.000 which is the weakest measure, is down. So now they're tying our liberty to whether or not we take

00:22:25.680 an experimental medication. It's not actually tied to how healthy we are, is it?

00:22:31.360 No. And if it were, it would simply be about getting the test result. And that's been the

00:22:37.800 basis. Well, it's not been the basis of the government's program completely. But up until

00:22:41.820 this point, you get tested. And whether you're positive or negative, it's the same thing. You

00:22:46.360 have to quarantine for 14 days. So the reality of them saying that this is going to be the

00:22:52.940 determining factor in how much freedom you have misses the mark that they've already taken a lot of

00:22:58.520 that liberty away. And liberty is supposed to be something that's there. And in very narrow

00:23:03.880 circumstances, for absolute necessities, it can kind of be abridged in special circumstances.

00:23:09.560 They've made no liberty the default position. And now they're meeting out little bits and nibbles and

00:23:15.580 crumbs of liberty here and there. Yeah. And another thing I want to point out is, at least when I was

00:23:21.160 trying to delve into the Manitoba vaccine passport, I don't think it contemplated people who are

00:23:28.480 naturally immune. And by that, I mean people who got sick and got better. In fact, a lot of people,

00:23:34.000 the vast majority of people get sick from the virus and they don't have to go to the hospital,

00:23:39.320 let alone the ICU. In fact, we saw that incredible case the other day of a golf champ on the PGA Tour.

00:23:44.940 He literally didn't know he was sick. He was six strokes ahead. He was winning a million dollar

00:23:51.120 purse. And they came up to him on the green and say, tap, tap, tap, buddy, you're sick. You don't

00:23:55.480 know. You got to get off the green right now. It was so crazy. He will be immune because he's had the

00:24:02.980 disease. He will not be exempt, even though I would put it to you, he has a better immunity than people

00:24:08.080 getting a jab. I think, if I understand correctly, being naturally immune, getting the disease and

00:24:13.940 recovering from it will not give you this exemption, at least not under the Manitoba system, as far as I

00:24:18.780 can say. And I don't know, I just feel like this is really moving away from actual healthcare

00:24:24.520 measurements to the profiteers of the pandemic. There's nine new pharmaceutical billionaires

00:24:31.900 this year alone. I just, I think it's all the worst conspiracy theories coming true that this isn't

00:24:39.080 about health. It's about vaccinations. I see this as being more about the political

00:24:45.140 contradictions that come because on one hand, you've had a government say, get vaccinated. This

00:24:50.980 is going to be the way out of the pandemic. And then people who have done their part, who have gotten

00:24:54.820 vaccinated, whether in Canada with four months between doses or people that have gone to Florida or

00:25:00.380 Arizona and gotten vaccinated there. Up until now, they've been coming home and forced to quarantine,

00:25:05.580 forced to keep their masks on, forced to do all of this stuff that the government's making everyone

00:25:10.000 do. And the government's answer has been, we're all in this together. And now that slightly more

00:25:14.720 people are vaccinated, the government's having to do something to make it worth people's while to

00:25:19.880 be vaccinated. But for them, having said all along that these are the silver bullet to get us through

00:25:25.280 the pandemic, the policy hasn't really aligned with that. And to your point about acquired

00:25:29.900 immunity, when you enter Canada, if you have, you have to supply a negative test taken within 72

00:25:36.400 hours, unless you can prove that you've had COVID through a positive test from, you know, up until

00:25:42.400 I think a year prior. So in that sense, yes, if you have acquired immunity, you get out of the having

00:25:47.500 to do a negative test, but it doesn't get you out of quarantine. So which is it? Are you safe if you

00:25:52.300 have had COVID in the past or are you not? And there is a litany of these contradictions and

00:25:57.820 inconsistencies in the government's approach to this. Whereas just general risk, general well-being,

00:26:04.660 vaccination status, COVID antibodies through acquired immunity, all of these things are given

00:26:09.960 different weight in different directions by the liberals. Yeah, I don't think there's any science

00:26:13.960 behind it. I want to say one thing. I think this is a way of teasing people like they're doing a lot

00:26:19.060 of obedience training, a lot of conditioning here. Give, take away, make you grateful. Oh, you should be

00:26:24.420 so grateful. You know, you're going to be able to go to a patio this summer. You certainly won't be

00:26:29.640 trusted to go into a real dining room, but you can go to a patio. So they're training you to be very

00:26:34.560 excited. But I should say that in Canada, although the majority of people now have had one shot of the

00:26:43.980 vaccine, less than 10% have had two. And that's the standard they're actually proposing to use for

00:26:50.460 this vaccine passport. So that's another way of saying we're going to be locked down for an enormous 0.98

00:26:56.060 time yet to come. And by the way, as people see that, you know, the deaths and the hospitalizations

00:27:02.000 are down and everyone's back, people are not going to want to take that second jab, at least not

00:27:06.020 everyone. I mean, we've played the clip before of half of Anthony Fauci's staff just refusing to take

00:27:11.600 the vax. They don't feel they need it. It's not worth the risk. I think this is just another

00:27:15.760 psychological trick to give people a false ray of hope that they really don't intend to follow

00:27:22.960 through with. But I've become extremely pessimistic in the last year. Well, I certainly think

00:27:28.120 skepticism is not misplaced given all the different directions the government has taken this. You are

00:27:33.640 very correct, though, is that the government has been saying that everyone needs to get vaccinated,

00:27:38.020 everyone needs to get fully vaccinated, and they're going to reach a point where people just don't see

00:27:42.440 it as being a big priority. They are not going to wait the four months or they'll forget, they'll

00:27:47.120 lose out on when their appointment is, whatever the case may be. Or I think more importantly,

00:27:51.200 people will feel that, well, if they got their first dose in June, by the time their second dose

00:27:56.440 is going to come around, it's going to be October. And by that point, if things are open,

00:28:00.700 it doesn't really matter. And I think the initial wave of people that were really excited and taking

00:28:06.140 their vaccine selfies and posting their stickers, there are only so many of those people. There are a lot

00:28:11.100 of folks that like when the flu shot comes out every year, they aren't anti-vax, they aren't pro-vax,

00:28:16.180 they're kind of just, if I get around to it, I'll get it. And the liberals, I don't think,

00:28:20.560 quite banked on how big that population might be of people that are not against it, they just,

00:28:27.040 they aren't in a hurry. Well, here's the thing. I mean, anytime you tell people they're not allowed

00:28:31.760 to ask questions, they're not allowed to discuss something, their spider senses start tingling.

00:28:36.860 And there's been so much misinformation and disinformation from official sources. I mean,

00:28:43.400 we still don't know where the virus came from. For a year, you couldn't be skeptical and say,

00:28:49.480 oh, I think maybe it came from the Wuhan Institute of Virology. For a year, you said something like

00:28:53.380 that, Facebook would kick you off, YouTube would censor you. Now, that seems like, frankly,

00:28:58.600 it's the preferred hypothesis of what happened. You saw Anthony Fauci, you saw Teresa Temp saying,

00:29:04.660 yes, masks, no masks. Yes, like the rules are changing. You're not allowed to question it.

00:29:10.540 There's so much government peer pressure. I think that has actually created skeptics,

00:29:16.200 created conspiracy theorists. And I think that where there may have been people who said,

00:29:24.200 well, sure, I'll try the vaccine before. Now there's such peer pressure and political pressure

00:29:29.580 from the entire establishment. And now they're offering lotteries. They're giving you free money

00:29:34.600 to take the vaccine. I think some people will go along with it because they don't care. But I think

00:29:39.740 they are creating a hardcore of resistant dissidents who think that this is an appalling Orwellian move,

00:29:50.100 just using health as an excuse. I think they've bungled it. And I'm not anti-vax myself. I've had my

00:29:56.020 shots on every other thing. But it really makes me... I don't want to take these experimental drugs.

00:30:02.040 They're experimental now. They haven't been tested fully yet. And the government pushing them so hard

00:30:06.680 on me is making me twice as skeptical. Look, people are going to make decisions that are right

00:30:13.280 for them. And any time we move into a territory that takes away that individual right to choose

00:30:20.360 or makes it so that you have a choice, but it's not really a real choice. If, you know, for example,

00:30:26.560 well, you don't have to get vaccinated, but if you don't, you won't be able to go to school.

00:30:30.360 You won't be able to go into your office. You won't be able to do this. At a certain point,

00:30:34.420 it becomes not a choice. And I do think that's a significant risk, which is why even a lot of left-wing

00:30:39.780 civil liberties groups have spoken up in response to the Manitoba vaccine passport in particular and said,

00:30:45.700 well, hang on. There are a lot of questions with this that the government is not willing to address.

00:30:50.800 Well, can you give me that news? What left-wing civil liberties group has spoken out against that?

00:30:56.340 Well, the CCLA. The CCLA spoke up and said it had significant concerns with vaccine passports.

00:31:02.700 All right. Well, maybe we'll get a nice tweet from them or something. Maybe... I swear they've been

00:31:06.280 the most lazy watchdog I've ever seen. You know, I look again to Florida, as I so often do,

00:31:12.780 and the governor there. Like, the cruise ship industry in Florida is enormous. Multiple cruise

00:31:18.140 ship companies are based there. They all sail from there. I think Florida is the number one cruise

00:31:24.040 state, frankly. It's a huge industry. They were planning on having vaccine passports for their

00:31:30.620 customers. But Ron DeSantis, the governor, said that that's illegal and they would be fined $5,000

00:31:39.020 per instance. So he stared down a major industry and they blinked. I think it takes that kind of guts

00:31:48.000 to stamp out this vaccine passport idea in the private sector, or you're going to see it in sports

00:31:55.920 events, in musical events, in any group events. You're going to see it in woke companies, banks.

00:32:02.740 They're going to say, you can't even come in without a vax passport. I think, you know, it's going to be

00:32:08.420 up to governors like Ron DeSantis to stamp it out. And hopefully we'll be the domino effect

00:32:13.140 beneficiaries of that. But I can't think of a single politician or company in Canada that would stand

00:32:18.140 up to it.

00:32:19.740 No. And the challenge, of course, that I said this months ago, that a vaccine passport in some form 0.81

00:32:25.480 was inevitable. And I got a lot of backlash from it. But the point that I made was that I don't

00:32:30.240 believe as Canadians, for example, we have the right to tell Italy or the UK or France what

00:32:36.460 their rules should be as sovereign nations. And the point that I made is that we know that a number

00:32:40.900 of other countries are going to put in some requirements. And your choice is, do I go to

00:32:44.900 that country or do I not? Within your own country, it's a very different story, though. And despite being

00:32:49.880 someone who is completely on board with vaccines, and I still support individual choice on the matter,

00:32:54.920 I'm very uneasy with creating a society in which this becomes your license to enjoy your constitutional

00:33:02.040 freedoms.

00:33:03.140 Yeah. Well, I've spoken with our constitutional lawyers who have been challenging, first of all,

00:33:11.440 we were in court last week for the COVID jail hotels. We're challenging the Saskatchewan

00:33:16.920 government's ban on gatherings. I think we might have to challenge these vaccine passports, 1.00

00:33:22.040 too. So I'll keep our viewers posted on that. And it's great to see you again. Thanks for letting

00:33:25.780 me rant a little bit here. I feel like we're entering, actually, in some ways, a worse phase

00:33:31.240 here. They're so desperate to keep the state of emergency going that they're going to...

00:33:35.540 I think the health risk has long since passed. And I mean, listen, the number of cases is the

00:33:43.920 lowest it's been in nearly a year. But they are ratcheting up the rules almost to make up for

00:33:49.760 the lack of real evidence of problem. I think we're in dark days. It's great to see you again,

00:33:53.760 my friend. And thanks for taking the time to be with us today.

00:33:57.440 Always a pleasure. Thanks, Ezra.

00:33:58.640 There you have it. Andrew Lawton, the host of The Andrew Lawton Show on TNC.new. Stay with us more ahead.

00:34:03.680 Hey, welcome back. On my show last night, Grace writes,

00:34:19.080 help, I'm from Manitoba. I don't trust the vaccine, but it seems like I will be a prisoner in my

00:34:23.500 province if I don't. Well, that's the crazy thing is they're making you positively inject

00:34:30.580 something in your blood or you're not allowed to live your life. Even if you're healthy, even if

00:34:35.780 you've had the disease and have recovered and are naturally immune to it, they're taking away your

00:34:40.740 rights if you don't participate in a medical experiment. I say that because these drugs haven't

00:34:45.460 finished their experimentation yet. They're still in trials. Robert writes, since when did elected

00:34:51.020 officials become dictators without a vote? Well, that's a really good question. I think because the

00:34:59.000 rest of the system allowed them to, the opposition parties, the media, the courts.

00:35:04.700 Matt writes, I've never been more disappointed in a conservative leader than I have been

00:35:07.960 with Doug Ford. Well, then it sounds like you haven't met Brian Pallister or even Jason Kenney.

00:35:14.520 Yeah, I think we're in dark days, my friends, and I think even though the pandemic itself is abating,

00:35:19.640 well, the lockdowns are just getting started with the vaccine passports.

00:35:23.780 That's the show for today. Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us at Rebel World Headquarters,

00:35:27.840 to you at home. Good night. Keep fighting for freedom.

00:35:30.860 Thank you.

Rebel News Podcast - June 10, 2021

A 20-year-old man in London, Ontario kills a Muslim family with his car. Was it terrorism？

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