A 20-year-old man in London, Ontario kills a Muslim family with his car. Was it terrorism？
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On Sunday night, a 20-year-old man in London Ontario allegedly drove his car into a Muslim family, killing four people and injuring another. Is this a hate crime, an anti-Muslim attack, or was it an act of terrorism?
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Hello, my rebels. Today, I talk about a very touchy subject, a very sympathetic subject,
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a terrible subject, a sad subject, and a politicized subject, namely the accused mass
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murder by Nathaniel Veltman of the Afzal family on the streets of London, Ontario.
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Is it a murder? Is it terrorism? Was it motivated by anti-Muslim sentiment?
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Well, those are questions that will get answered in the days and weeks ahead.
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But what are the politicians doing about it already? I'll get into some of the answers there,
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Tonight, a 20-year-old man in London, Ontario, kills a Muslim family with his car.
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Or was it terrorism? It's June 9th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.
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The only thing I have to say to the government, the wire publisher, is because it's my bloody right
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to do something. On Sunday night, a 20-year-old man in London, Ontario, allegedly drove his car
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into a Muslim family, the Afzals. On the street, killing four people, injuring another. Nathaniel
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Veltman has been charged with four counts of first-degree murder and one count of attempted
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murder. The victims are Muslim. The suspect, Veltman, is a Dutch Christian name, not Jewish,
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and I mention that only because it's relevant to some of the political reaction we've seen.
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I'll get to that a bit later. This is a terrible event. It's a terrible crime. It's been front-page
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news. Politicians of every stripe have made public speeches about it, in part because the victims were
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Muslim and it is allegedly a hate crime. One witness said Veltman was wearing a helmet and what
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looked like a bulletproof vest. Another witness said Veltman was laughing when he was arrested.
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Now, national police resources are being deployed, so it's being taken very seriously. There's also
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a chance that means it could be politicized by a very political Trudeau RCMP. But as of yet,
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Veltman has not been charged with a hate crime or with terrorism, though that may come. Witnesses say
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he was barreling down the road at a very high speed. One question that will likely have to be
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answered is, was he looking to kill Muslim people in particular, or was the Muslim family he happened
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to hit just the unlucky random victims? Because if I understand the facts correctly, the collision
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didn't happen outside a mosque or at a Muslim event, but on a busy street. Did Veltman know he'd be
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hitting Muslims? Did he see people who were visibly Muslims? I understand that the women were not
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wearing hijabs, for example. Is that a fact? Did he swerve into them? For what reason? I don't think
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all of that relevant information has been reported yet. It won't lessen the pain of the loss. Four
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people are dead, but it will color the nature of the crime, won't it? So what do I think? What should
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we think? Well, obviously we're against violence. We're against murder. And if violence has a
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political or religious motive, that's a working definition of terrorism. We're against that, of
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course. So far, I've seen no reports of Veltman's social media footprints. Anything he's said or done on
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Facebook or Instagram or whatever that might yield a clue to his state of mind. Facebook Canada says
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they've deleted an account that they think is connected with them. I wonder what they have
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removed from public view. I suppose it'll come out closer to the trial. I'm curious about that.
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But in some ways, I'm also glad Facebook took down his page. If he were following or liking other
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pages on Facebook, those people would obviously be blamed, even if there was no connection to the
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killing. I remember that Alexandre Bissonnette, the murderer at the Quebec City Mosque, followed Facebook
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pages related to the NDP, the separatist party in Quebec, and also Donald Trump. Well, guess which
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one of them was blamed by the media for the murder? So in that sense, I'm loathe to do a political
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commentary about this tragedy just yet. We don't have all the facts in yet. And I don't know how much
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there would be to say other than to condemn it and to have sympathy with the victims. When a Jewish
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synagogue was attacked in Pittsburgh a few years ago, it was a mass murder of 11 people. I didn't
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feel the need to opine on it as news commentary. I obviously am against the murder. It was politically
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and in that case, anti-Semitic motivations. It's a reminder that evil exists among us. But I frankly
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didn't feel compelled to make a larger political statement based on it, even though it was my tribe
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that was attacked. I guess I could have opined that violent anti-Semitism is not over, which would be
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useful to say only in that I think the media has stopped caring so much about it ever since anti-Semitism
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has become a de facto cause of the left, especially on campuses and in the Democratic Party in the
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States and the Labor Party in the UK. But as to the crime in London, Ontario, sometimes it takes a
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while, maybe days, maybe weeks, to distinguish a political crime from a crime of madness or another
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non-political motive, such as someone seeking media notoriety. I mean, for example, here's Nicholas
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Cruz, who murdered 17 people in a Florida school a few years back in what actually became America's worst
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Hello, my name is Nick, and I'm going to be the next school shooter of 2018. My goal is at least 20 people
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with an AR-15 and a couple of trace rounds. I think I can do a good time. Location is Stone Douglas
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in Parkland, Florida. It's going to be a big event. And when you see me on the news, you'll all know who I am.
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So is that Florida mass shooting political? The murderer was so antisocial, he moved schools six
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times in three years. There were literally dozens of complaints to the local police department about him
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as a teenager in the years before the killing. A school counselor reported to the police that he
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was both suicidal and wanted to buy a gun, but no one did anything to stop it. After that Florida
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shooting, there was a political inquiry into it. It revealed how the school system ignored warning
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signs, and it showed that on the day of the shooting, local police were, well, they were cowardly.
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They hid rather than rushing in to save. The local sheriff, in fact, was eventually suspended
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by the governor and other police resigned. And some students from that school became activists,
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including a leftist named David Hogg and a conservative named Kyle Kashuv. So that's the
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politics of that. What is going on here in London? I don't know if there were systemic failures
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that can have a political wrinkle to them. I think a lot will depend on the facts.
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Was it a deliberate targeting of Muslims? What was Veltman's motive? But even though I don't think
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those facts are known yet, well, there has already been a very political response. Of course,
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I understand a public response. It's a tragedy, and most likely a crime. But I think the response
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has gone much beyond that for political reasons. Here's Justin Trudeau announcing that it was
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terrorism. Now, police haven't said that. Veltman hasn't been charged with that. Maybe Trudeau is
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using the word in its plain meaning. It is a terrifying and heartbreaking crime. But is it normal for a
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politician so senior, who is the boss of the RCMP, to announce publicly before a trial, and the facts
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are aired before the investigation is likely even done, to announce a conclusion like that? And to
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mention right-wingers? Do we know that? Or is that just Trudeau's usual shtick of calling anyone
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who opposes him both racist and violent and trying to hang this around the neck of Trudeau's political
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Their lives were taken in a brutal, cowardly, and brazen act of violence. This killing was
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no accident. This was a terrorist attack motivated by hatred in the heart of one of our communities.
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They were all targeted because of their Muslim faith. This is happening here in Canada. And
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Mr. Speaker, we stand with the people of London and with Muslim communities across the country.
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We're going to continue to fund initiatives like the Security Infrastructure Program to
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help protect communities at risk and their schools and places of worship. We'll continue to fight
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hate online and offline, which includes taking even more action to dismantle far-right hate
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groups like we did with the Proud Boys by adding them to Canada's terror listing. And we'll
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continue doing everything we can to keep communities safe.
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Who knows? Maybe those things will all prove to be true. Maybe Trudeau was briefed privately
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in a way the public hasn't been. Maybe the RCMP has already come to their conclusion. Could
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be. The reports of a helmet, body armor, speeding car, laughter, they certainly point to a terrible
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motivation. But unlike the Pittsburgh synagogue, which was obviously a Jewish target, this was
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on a more neutral highway. I guess I'm just saying it adds another question that may well
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be answered, but I don't know if it's been answered yet. You know, there was another mass
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attack in Canada on the street just two months ago, actually. Look at this story. North Vancouver
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stabbing attack. Suspect's friend says she's shocked as police search for motive. This guy,
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Yannick Bandaugo, if I'm saying it right, he allegedly stabbed seven people on the street,
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murdering one woman, wounding the others. Six of the seven victims were women. That could
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be a coincidence. I don't know. But there wasn't a national reaction in the same way there is
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to the London attack. In fact, the news pretty much went away in a day out there in Vancouver.
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There wasn't a national movement of mourning. It didn't get the Ecole Polytechnique treatment,
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the Montreal Massacre treatment, even though it was six women. I don't know why, other than my
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earlier point, crimes are not inherently political. Madness can be a factor. And let's be candid,
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please. The accused in the Vancouver stabbings is a visible minority, which doesn't fit the woke
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political narrative of what did Trudeau say, right-wing white supremacists, whatever. Again,
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I say, let's wait for a trial for the facts to come out. But that's not what's happening in
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London, Ontario. It's political from the beginning. If Veltman did deliberately murder these people
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because they're Muslim, well, I believe in capital punishment for murder. So that's my view. And if
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he was motivated by politics or religion, we'll charge him with terrorism too. I don't think we have
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that yet. But what we do have is a media political class that already knows its script. For example,
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the government of Ontario is brutally shutting down businesses, churches, protests against the
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lockdown. But they specifically lifted those rules for a memorial for the London family,
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the Apsels. Now, I appreciate that. I'm sure the community does too. But either you say the rules
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are scientific and health-based or you don't. Why is this funeral exempt but no other funerals are?
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Why is this political cause exempt but no others are? Well, actually, come to think of it, Black Lives
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Matter was exempt from anti-gathering rules too, come to think of it. Look, I want all of us to be able
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to meet in happy occasions and sad occasions. I don't believe the pandemic is an acute threat. But if the
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government really does, why would they allow a super-spreader event like this? Because they
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don't really believe it's a super-spreader event. Or if they do, they believe in politics even more.
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But let me show you just one moment from an otherwise touching memorial. It's a local London
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imam. This guy, Munir El-Khassam. He spoke very briefly at the memorial. I'm going to show you his
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whole speech. And it was nice. He was talking about community support until suddenly it went off the
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rails. And he connected the attack on the Afzal family done by, allegedly, this 20-year-old Dutch
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Christian. This imam connected it to the recent war between Israel and the terrorist group Hamas,
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which is based in the Gaza Strip. Now, you can be pro-Israel or you can be pro-Hamas. I think if
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you're for Hamas, a terrorist group that's literally banned in Canada, I think you have some explaining
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to do. But it is a point of view. But what does that have to do with this case at all? Nathaniel
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Veltman sounds like a Jewish name, but it isn't. But so what? That seems to be enough for this imam.
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Was he some instrument of Israel? Did Israel get in the car and barrel down the street and try and
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pick off Muslims? Well, here, watch the imam's whole speech and you decide for yourself.
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Bismillah ar-Rahman ar-Rahim. Brother Bilal Rahal asked me to share final words. Well, I don't have to
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speak. Each and everyone who's present here is a final word. You all said everything that needs to be
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said except one angle I would like to share with our officials. Now, there's a reason why they say the
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world is a small village. Every country has a foreign policy. I just want to say whatever is happening
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in Jerusalem and Gaza is is related to whatever happened in London, Ontario. Period. Thank you.
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So he links this killing on the street to foreign policy. This 20-year-old kid is now an instrument
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of foreign policy. He links it to Jerusalem. He specifically tells the politicians to believe
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him on that. And when he's done, wild cheering and a chant I couldn't quite make out. So you're
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blaming the Jews. I mean, it's one thing to blame Veltman. I get it. It sounds like he pretty clearly
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did this according to witnesses. Why he did it is yet unclear. That's my real question. But this wasn't
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a condemnation of Veltman. This was an explicit message to the politicians and the attendants.
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Absolutely clearly blaming foreign policy and I suppose Canadian support for Israel. Blaming Israel.
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Israel? How's Israel to blame? Is it because Veltman sounds like a Jewish name?
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That cheering. Holy cow. That cheering at a memorial. That was pretty boisterous cheering, wasn't it?
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Right. This mass killing of the Afzal family, an innocent family cut down on the street,
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is an awful tragedy. It sounds like it was murder. And it certainly could be terrorism or motivated by
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anti-Muslim hatred. Could be. If so, throw the book at them. But in Canada, even if Trudeau has a really
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urgent tweet to make, we usually have the trial first before announcing a conclusion or a conviction.
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We have to get along peacefully in Canada. We have to eschew violence. And I think that applies to
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everyone, including an imam who got wild applause for blaming Israel while Canadian politicians of every
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party sat there in silence. Stay with us for more.
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Hey, welcome back. Well, yesterday I showed you that Manitoba is the first Canadian province
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to bring in a vaccine passport. I showed you also that you must agree to disclose your information
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to third parties. They don't quite say who. But of course, Manitoba is just a province. It doesn't
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control things like international borders or real passports. That's under the purview of the federal
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government. Well, today, the government of Canada and the Liberals say they are contemplating an actual
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vaccine passport where, if you want to be able to travel freely back and forth into Canada from a
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foreign place, you must get the vaccine. Here's Trudeau on that in question period today.
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To ensure that somebody tests negative before they leave an approved accommodation by the government
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when they come into Canada by plane has worked in order to detect cases and to protect Canadians
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from bringing in variants of COVID-19. We know that we must continue to protect Canadians
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as a priority during this pandemic. But we also recognize that people who are fully vaccinated
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So he's contemplating ending the 14-day COVID jail quarantine hotels and removing the quarantine in
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particular, if I'm understanding him correctly, here to correct me if I'm wrong is our friend Andrew
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Lawton from The Andrew Lawton Show at tnc.news. Andrew, did I correctly understand him? I mean,
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he just came out with this a moment ago. I understand that they're aiming to end their hotel quarantine
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hotels. I think those are likely to be struck down by the federal court. Rebel News, JCCF, and others
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were in court last week, and I heard that the government had a really bad go of it. I think the COVID
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jails are on their way out. But what do you make, did I understand correctly, that there wouldn't be
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a 14-day quarantine at all if you had vaccination? So what they announced today, and by the way,
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they haven't even committed to a start date. They're saying they'd like to do this sometime in
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early July, is for people who are fully vaccinated and provide proof of that, you would need to get a
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departure test before you get on a plane for Canada, like now. And then on arrival, you would also
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take another test at the airport or when you get home in the case of land crossings. And then you
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have to go into quarantine until that arrival test comes back negative. So your quarantine is basically
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as long as it takes for that test that you take at the airport or once you cross the border to come
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back. So two days, perhaps. Well, Trudeau phrased that you'll get more freedom if you take the jab,
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but that's another way of saying you'll get less freedom if you don't. One of the things that I've
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noticed, and it's been very frustrating to me, Andrew, is that there was a point in time when
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freedoms were infringed based on health care measures. So how many people are in intensive
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care units? How many people are in the hospital? How many people are dying? In fact, you'll remember
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the rationale for the lockdown at the very beginning was two weeks to flatten the curve. And by flatten
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the curve, they meant we can't all get sick at once. That'll overwhelm our hospitals. We've got
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to slow the rate that we're getting sick. We can't stop people from getting sick. You know, life goes
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on, but we can't overwhelm the hospitals. That's why in the States, they sent those hospital ships of
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the U.S. Navy to LA and New York to take the overflow. It was never needed. But at least back then,
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Andrew, the test was, can we make sure we don't overwhelm the hospitals? That's not happening.
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Hospitalizations are down. Deaths are down. Intensive care units are down. And even cases,
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which is the weakest measure, is down. So now they're tying our liberty to whether or not we take
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an experimental medication. It's not actually tied to how healthy we are, is it?
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No. And if it were, it would simply be about getting the test result. And that's been the
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basis. Well, it's not been the basis of the government's program completely. But up until
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this point, you get tested. And whether you're positive or negative, it's the same thing. You
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have to quarantine for 14 days. So the reality of them saying that this is going to be the
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determining factor in how much freedom you have misses the mark that they've already taken a lot of
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that liberty away. And liberty is supposed to be something that's there. And in very narrow
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circumstances, for absolute necessities, it can kind of be abridged in special circumstances.
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They've made no liberty the default position. And now they're meeting out little bits and nibbles and
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crumbs of liberty here and there. Yeah. And another thing I want to point out is, at least when I was
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trying to delve into the Manitoba vaccine passport, I don't think it contemplated people who are
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naturally immune. And by that, I mean people who got sick and got better. In fact, a lot of people,
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the vast majority of people get sick from the virus and they don't have to go to the hospital,
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let alone the ICU. In fact, we saw that incredible case the other day of a golf champ on the PGA Tour.
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He literally didn't know he was sick. He was six strokes ahead. He was winning a million dollar
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purse. And they came up to him on the green and say, tap, tap, tap, buddy, you're sick. You don't
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know. You got to get off the green right now. It was so crazy. He will be immune because he's had the
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disease. He will not be exempt, even though I would put it to you, he has a better immunity than people
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getting a jab. I think, if I understand correctly, being naturally immune, getting the disease and
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recovering from it will not give you this exemption, at least not under the Manitoba system, as far as I
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can say. And I don't know, I just feel like this is really moving away from actual healthcare
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measurements to the profiteers of the pandemic. There's nine new pharmaceutical billionaires
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this year alone. I just, I think it's all the worst conspiracy theories coming true that this isn't
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about health. It's about vaccinations. I see this as being more about the political
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contradictions that come because on one hand, you've had a government say, get vaccinated. This
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is going to be the way out of the pandemic. And then people who have done their part, who have gotten
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vaccinated, whether in Canada with four months between doses or people that have gone to Florida or
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Arizona and gotten vaccinated there. Up until now, they've been coming home and forced to quarantine,
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forced to keep their masks on, forced to do all of this stuff that the government's making everyone
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do. And the government's answer has been, we're all in this together. And now that slightly more
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people are vaccinated, the government's having to do something to make it worth people's while to
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be vaccinated. But for them, having said all along that these are the silver bullet to get us through
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the pandemic, the policy hasn't really aligned with that. And to your point about acquired
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immunity, when you enter Canada, if you have, you have to supply a negative test taken within 72
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hours, unless you can prove that you've had COVID through a positive test from, you know, up until
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I think a year prior. So in that sense, yes, if you have acquired immunity, you get out of the having
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to do a negative test, but it doesn't get you out of quarantine. So which is it? Are you safe if you
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have had COVID in the past or are you not? And there is a litany of these contradictions and
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inconsistencies in the government's approach to this. Whereas just general risk, general well-being,
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vaccination status, COVID antibodies through acquired immunity, all of these things are given
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different weight in different directions by the liberals. Yeah, I don't think there's any science
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behind it. I want to say one thing. I think this is a way of teasing people like they're doing a lot
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of obedience training, a lot of conditioning here. Give, take away, make you grateful. Oh, you should be
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so grateful. You know, you're going to be able to go to a patio this summer. You certainly won't be
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trusted to go into a real dining room, but you can go to a patio. So they're training you to be very
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excited. But I should say that in Canada, although the majority of people now have had one shot of the
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vaccine, less than 10% have had two. And that's the standard they're actually proposing to use for
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this vaccine passport. So that's another way of saying we're going to be locked down for an enormous
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time yet to come. And by the way, as people see that, you know, the deaths and the hospitalizations
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are down and everyone's back, people are not going to want to take that second jab, at least not
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everyone. I mean, we've played the clip before of half of Anthony Fauci's staff just refusing to take
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the vax. They don't feel they need it. It's not worth the risk. I think this is just another
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psychological trick to give people a false ray of hope that they really don't intend to follow
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through with. But I've become extremely pessimistic in the last year. Well, I certainly think
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skepticism is not misplaced given all the different directions the government has taken this. You are
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very correct, though, is that the government has been saying that everyone needs to get vaccinated,
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everyone needs to get fully vaccinated, and they're going to reach a point where people just don't see
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it as being a big priority. They are not going to wait the four months or they'll forget, they'll
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lose out on when their appointment is, whatever the case may be. Or I think more importantly,
00:27:51.200
people will feel that, well, if they got their first dose in June, by the time their second dose
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is going to come around, it's going to be October. And by that point, if things are open,
00:28:00.700
it doesn't really matter. And I think the initial wave of people that were really excited and taking
00:28:06.140
their vaccine selfies and posting their stickers, there are only so many of those people. There are a lot
00:28:11.100
of folks that like when the flu shot comes out every year, they aren't anti-vax, they aren't pro-vax,
00:28:16.180
they're kind of just, if I get around to it, I'll get it. And the liberals, I don't think,
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quite banked on how big that population might be of people that are not against it, they just,
00:28:27.040
they aren't in a hurry. Well, here's the thing. I mean, anytime you tell people they're not allowed
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to ask questions, they're not allowed to discuss something, their spider senses start tingling.
00:28:36.860
And there's been so much misinformation and disinformation from official sources. I mean,
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we still don't know where the virus came from. For a year, you couldn't be skeptical and say,
00:28:49.480
oh, I think maybe it came from the Wuhan Institute of Virology. For a year, you said something like
00:28:53.380
that, Facebook would kick you off, YouTube would censor you. Now, that seems like, frankly,
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it's the preferred hypothesis of what happened. You saw Anthony Fauci, you saw Teresa Temp saying,
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yes, masks, no masks. Yes, like the rules are changing. You're not allowed to question it.
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There's so much government peer pressure. I think that has actually created skeptics,
00:29:16.200
created conspiracy theorists. And I think that where there may have been people who said,
00:29:24.200
well, sure, I'll try the vaccine before. Now there's such peer pressure and political pressure
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from the entire establishment. And now they're offering lotteries. They're giving you free money
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to take the vaccine. I think some people will go along with it because they don't care. But I think
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they are creating a hardcore of resistant dissidents who think that this is an appalling Orwellian move,
00:29:50.100
just using health as an excuse. I think they've bungled it. And I'm not anti-vax myself. I've had my
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shots on every other thing. But it really makes me... I don't want to take these experimental drugs.
00:30:02.040
They're experimental now. They haven't been tested fully yet. And the government pushing them so hard
00:30:06.680
on me is making me twice as skeptical. Look, people are going to make decisions that are right
00:30:13.280
for them. And any time we move into a territory that takes away that individual right to choose
00:30:20.360
or makes it so that you have a choice, but it's not really a real choice. If, you know, for example,
00:30:26.560
well, you don't have to get vaccinated, but if you don't, you won't be able to go to school.
00:30:30.360
You won't be able to go into your office. You won't be able to do this. At a certain point,
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it becomes not a choice. And I do think that's a significant risk, which is why even a lot of left-wing
00:30:39.780
civil liberties groups have spoken up in response to the Manitoba vaccine passport in particular and said,
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well, hang on. There are a lot of questions with this that the government is not willing to address.
00:30:50.800
Well, can you give me that news? What left-wing civil liberties group has spoken out against that?
00:30:56.340
Well, the CCLA. The CCLA spoke up and said it had significant concerns with vaccine passports.
00:31:02.700
All right. Well, maybe we'll get a nice tweet from them or something. Maybe... I swear they've been
00:31:06.280
the most lazy watchdog I've ever seen. You know, I look again to Florida, as I so often do,
00:31:12.780
and the governor there. Like, the cruise ship industry in Florida is enormous. Multiple cruise
00:31:18.140
ship companies are based there. They all sail from there. I think Florida is the number one cruise
00:31:24.040
state, frankly. It's a huge industry. They were planning on having vaccine passports for their
00:31:30.620
customers. But Ron DeSantis, the governor, said that that's illegal and they would be fined $5,000
00:31:39.020
per instance. So he stared down a major industry and they blinked. I think it takes that kind of guts
00:31:48.000
to stamp out this vaccine passport idea in the private sector, or you're going to see it in sports
00:31:55.920
events, in musical events, in any group events. You're going to see it in woke companies, banks.
00:32:02.740
They're going to say, you can't even come in without a vax passport. I think, you know, it's going to be
00:32:08.420
up to governors like Ron DeSantis to stamp it out. And hopefully we'll be the domino effect
00:32:13.140
beneficiaries of that. But I can't think of a single politician or company in Canada that would stand
00:32:19.740
No. And the challenge, of course, that I said this months ago, that a vaccine passport in some form
00:32:25.480
was inevitable. And I got a lot of backlash from it. But the point that I made was that I don't
00:32:30.240
believe as Canadians, for example, we have the right to tell Italy or the UK or France what
00:32:36.460
their rules should be as sovereign nations. And the point that I made is that we know that a number
00:32:40.900
of other countries are going to put in some requirements. And your choice is, do I go to
00:32:44.900
that country or do I not? Within your own country, it's a very different story, though. And despite being
00:32:49.880
someone who is completely on board with vaccines, and I still support individual choice on the matter,
00:32:54.920
I'm very uneasy with creating a society in which this becomes your license to enjoy your constitutional
00:33:03.140
Yeah. Well, I've spoken with our constitutional lawyers who have been challenging, first of all,
00:33:11.440
we were in court last week for the COVID jail hotels. We're challenging the Saskatchewan
00:33:16.920
government's ban on gatherings. I think we might have to challenge these vaccine passports,
00:33:22.040
too. So I'll keep our viewers posted on that. And it's great to see you again. Thanks for letting
00:33:25.780
me rant a little bit here. I feel like we're entering, actually, in some ways, a worse phase
00:33:31.240
here. They're so desperate to keep the state of emergency going that they're going to...
00:33:35.540
I think the health risk has long since passed. And I mean, listen, the number of cases is the
00:33:43.920
lowest it's been in nearly a year. But they are ratcheting up the rules almost to make up for
00:33:49.760
the lack of real evidence of problem. I think we're in dark days. It's great to see you again,
00:33:53.760
my friend. And thanks for taking the time to be with us today.
00:33:58.640
There you have it. Andrew Lawton, the host of The Andrew Lawton Show on TNC.new. Stay with us more ahead.
00:34:03.680
Hey, welcome back. On my show last night, Grace writes,
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help, I'm from Manitoba. I don't trust the vaccine, but it seems like I will be a prisoner in my
00:34:23.500
province if I don't. Well, that's the crazy thing is they're making you positively inject
00:34:30.580
something in your blood or you're not allowed to live your life. Even if you're healthy, even if
00:34:35.780
you've had the disease and have recovered and are naturally immune to it, they're taking away your
00:34:40.740
rights if you don't participate in a medical experiment. I say that because these drugs haven't
00:34:45.460
finished their experimentation yet. They're still in trials. Robert writes, since when did elected
00:34:51.020
officials become dictators without a vote? Well, that's a really good question. I think because the
00:34:59.000
rest of the system allowed them to, the opposition parties, the media, the courts.
00:35:04.700
Matt writes, I've never been more disappointed in a conservative leader than I have been
00:35:07.960
with Doug Ford. Well, then it sounds like you haven't met Brian Pallister or even Jason Kenney.
00:35:14.520
Yeah, I think we're in dark days, my friends, and I think even though the pandemic itself is abating,
00:35:19.640
well, the lockdowns are just getting started with the vaccine passports.
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That's the show for today. Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us at Rebel World Headquarters,
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to you at home. Good night. Keep fighting for freedom.