Rebel News Podcast - A major police force in the UK declares war on — insults

00:00:00.000 Tonight, a major police force in the UK has declared war on insults, not crimes, insults.

00:00:07.380 It's September 10th and you're watching The Ezra Levant Show.

00:00:16.020 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:00:19.840 There's 8,500 customers here and you won't give them an answer.

00:00:23.540 You come here once a year with a sign and you feel morally superior.

00:00:26.540 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:00:37.360 Look at this ad I saw yesterday from the South Yorkshire Police.

00:00:42.800 In addition to reporting hate crime, I'm quoting from it,

00:00:46.440 in addition to reporting hate crime, please report non-crime hate incidents,

00:00:52.440 which can include things like offensive or insulting comments online, in person, or in writing.

00:00:59.400 Hate will not be tolerated in South Yorkshire.

00:01:01.780 Report it and put a stop to it.

00:01:03.300 Hate hurts South Yorkshire.

00:01:05.380 So it's not just crimes.

00:01:08.300 They're specific about that.

00:01:10.100 Anything mean.

00:01:12.240 Well, not even mean.

00:01:13.200 I mean, that's my word, mean.

00:01:14.480 Their word is anything offensive.

00:01:17.360 But people can take offense to anything, including innocuous things that aren't meant to be mean.

00:01:21.980 That's the thing about being offended.

00:01:23.660 It's your own emotional reaction to the world.

00:01:26.040 In a way, if you're offended, it's just your own inability to control your own emotions.

00:01:30.940 It's all about you and your subjective worldview.

00:01:32.980 It's not what people do to you.

00:01:34.840 See, crimes, actual crimes that police investigate,

00:01:37.740 those have to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

00:01:40.140 Those can be objectively measured.

00:01:41.460 If not, there would be no point in having any courts and any rules and any procedures.

00:01:45.820 Those things are all designed to put some predictability in the world.

00:01:49.700 A precedent, rule of law, we call it, not rule of those with the thinnest skin. 1.00

00:01:55.420 You can't be convicted of a crime unless you meet certain objective standards.

00:01:59.020 Did you actually do something illegal?

00:02:01.000 Did you actually have a guilty mind?

00:02:03.220 Was what you did heinous enough to be called a crime?

00:02:06.820 None of that is here.

00:02:07.940 It's just you getting offended by something you read on somebody's Facebook page

00:02:12.680 and maybe getting offended on purpose, even if it didn't really offend you.

00:02:17.000 There's a lot of that going on these days, isn't there?

00:02:18.960 People who aren't really shocked and appalled by things,

00:02:21.880 but they say they are because the more outraged you show yourself to be,

00:02:25.040 the more righteous you obviously are.

00:02:27.280 Well, now add to that the fact that a major police force will come and be your little army

00:02:32.340 to back up your emotional reaction.

00:02:34.600 Until now, if you were easily offended by things,

00:02:37.340 if you were professionally offended by things like so many special interest groups are,

00:02:41.100 you had to rely on your own tantrum or some sort of public mob,

00:02:45.400 an online mob, not a real mob, to get your way.

00:02:48.160 But now you can have a police force with guns rushing in to aid you, I guess.

00:02:55.280 Every bully now knows what they have to do to get the police to help them in their little feud,

00:03:00.460 their little quarrel, to take side in some private dispute.

00:03:03.420 Just say you're offended and the cops will come on by.

00:03:07.060 It's insane.

00:03:08.180 Let me read the little word, the words in the photo too.

00:03:11.740 You see those in the red box there.

00:03:16.040 Hate crime is an incident or crime which is perceived to be motivated by prejudice or hostility

00:03:24.620 against a person's race, faith, disability, sexual orientation, gender identity.

00:03:31.020 But that's not quite right, is it?

00:03:33.600 I accept that there is such a thing as a hate crime.

00:03:36.600 It's a crime that's motivated by hatred.

00:03:39.380 That could be a motive, sure.

00:03:42.520 But the crime still has to exist. 0.99

00:03:44.040 If you punch someone in the face because they're black or because they're gay, for example, 0.99

00:03:49.600 that's a hate crime. 0.99

00:03:50.500 But a hate crime needs the crime part, not just the hate part.

00:03:55.260 But not in this weird definition.

00:03:56.820 They say a hate crime can be a crime, which is obviously true, 1.00

00:04:01.100 or just an incident.

00:04:03.480 What?

00:04:04.500 So a hate crime doesn't actually have to be a crime?

00:04:06.900 That doesn't make any sense.

00:04:08.240 A hate's the adjective.

00:04:09.080 Crime is the thing.

00:04:10.440 But none of this makes any sense.

00:04:11.900 I'm going to read just one more nutty part because these words here were clearly written

00:04:16.000 by social justice warriors, by political activists, not by real police, by any definition

00:04:20.680 that we have, not by judges or any legislature.

00:04:23.440 Do you see the words right under the picture there?

00:04:27.220 Hate hurts.

00:04:29.440 Report it and put a stop to it.

00:04:31.540 Hate can hurt your feelings.

00:04:35.320 If you feel like you're hated by someone, that could make you feel sad or mad.

00:04:43.660 Or maybe they mean hate hurts in that if you feel the emotion of hate, you yourself, the

00:04:49.580 hater, are hurt.

00:04:52.080 And that's probably true also, don't you think?

00:04:54.080 If you're full of hatred, you probably have some underlying grievance.

00:04:58.140 You're probably hurt by something.

00:05:00.840 But what does any of this have to do with the police?

00:05:04.560 Hate itself doesn't actually hurt anybody.

00:05:06.760 It's not an action.

00:05:07.780 It's not a punch in the face.

00:05:09.980 And hate itself is not a crime.

00:05:11.440 It's an emotional feeling.

00:05:12.800 You can't legislate it away or police it away.

00:05:16.620 In fact, if you try to tell people that they're not allowed to feel feelings, including hate,

00:05:20.980 I don't think that's going to stop them from feeling that way.

00:05:23.820 In fact, I think it's probably going to make them even angrier.

00:05:27.080 The peaceful expression of negative emotions through words, through poems, you know, through

00:05:32.660 the interpretive dance, whatever, including the peaceful expression of hate through offensive

00:05:37.260 words, it may not be pretty, but it is prettier than the alternative, which is people who aren't

00:05:42.600 allowed to express themselves peacefully, people who are censored or sued or arrested for

00:05:47.840 their feelings, if the state starts hassling you, investigating you, policing you, prosecuting

00:05:53.060 you for having the wrong feelings, don't expect those people to suddenly say, you know, I was

00:05:57.760 really mad about something, but the government threatened me not to be mad about it.

00:06:01.820 So, wow, that really worked.

00:06:03.300 I'm totally not mad about it anymore.

00:06:05.220 That is not how it works.

00:06:07.760 I put it to you, there's a correlation between countries where there is no freedom of speech

00:06:11.580 and no freedom of political dissent and no right to be offensive and no right to be

00:06:15.940 offended.

00:06:16.300 There's a correlation between places without those freedoms and violence, terrorism, assassination,

00:06:23.020 whatever, because if you can't address your grievances, if you can't air them, if you can't

00:06:27.060 have a real shot to fix the world peacefully through words, well, then maybe you will try

00:06:33.180 to fix the world in a non-peaceful manner if that's all that's left to you.

00:06:38.240 But the insanity goes a little deeper.

00:06:40.420 You probably didn't notice it at first when I showed you the tweet, but look in there.

00:06:44.080 When you zoom right into the image closely, do you see all those little pictures of people

00:06:49.000 on them?

00:06:50.180 There's a whole bunch of hijabs there, for example.

00:06:52.860 These are people who apparently are offended.

00:06:55.560 These are what offended people look like, I'm guessing.

00:06:58.900 What a happy photo shoot that must have been, inviting in a bunch of models and telling them

00:07:03.340 to pose for photos.

00:07:04.300 But don't smile, people.

00:07:05.280 Stop smiling, look angry and sullen and entitled.

00:07:09.900 I think that's what they did here.

00:07:11.640 But if you look at those little faces and look at the words written, you see there's a word

00:07:15.320 written on each of those little faces?

00:07:17.860 Let me read them to you.

00:07:19.480 Victimized.

00:07:20.080 Do you see that word there?

00:07:21.320 Fear.

00:07:22.700 Hurt.

00:07:23.940 Alone.

00:07:25.480 Sad.

00:07:27.160 Humiliated.

00:07:28.520 Anxiety.

00:07:29.000 Can you see those words?

00:07:29.920 You've got to look sort of closely there.

00:07:31.240 Is that what the South Yorkshire police are now fighting?

00:07:36.960 People who feel sad?

00:07:40.360 Because I thought fighting against the natural human emotion of hate was going to be tough.

00:07:45.020 Now the South Yorkshire police are trying to eliminate the natural human emotion of sadness

00:07:50.660 and being alone, which actually is not an emotion.

00:07:56.160 You can be alone on purpose.

00:07:57.780 You can be alone because you have been a bad person and no one wants to spend time with

00:08:02.740 you.

00:08:03.000 So it's good that you're alone or you can be alone because you like peace and quiet and

00:08:07.380 you are an introvert and you think the world has gone crazy, including the police.

00:08:11.120 You don't want to talk to the South Yorkshire police because that makes you anxious.

00:08:15.500 Another one of the bad words.

00:08:16.600 Seriously, is being anxious a reason to call 911?

00:08:21.760 That was on there.

00:08:22.900 Anxiety.

00:08:23.360 You saw that, right?

00:08:24.020 I put it to you that this will cause anxiety, not solve it.

00:08:29.780 What tools would a British policeman have anyways to combat loneliness or anxiety or sadness?

00:08:35.820 Do they get some sort of training in the British police academy these days on how to make people

00:08:40.380 less sad?

00:08:42.380 Well, this video will put a smile on your face.

00:08:45.480 It's the launch of new rainbow painted police cars in Yorkshire.

00:08:49.140 Take a look.

00:08:49.560 We challenge Hull as part of UK City of Culture, week 29, to raise a rainbow.

00:08:57.040 I think those are Toyota Priuses.

00:09:17.980 I can't quite tell.

00:09:18.840 You know, I wish some of this effort and energy that the police are putting into feelings and

00:09:24.180 rainbows and unicorns was put into solving real crimes in Yorkshire.

00:09:29.540 Just two days ago, this Muslim woman named Ayaan Ali stabbed a man in the downtown shopping 0.87

00:09:37.480 market in South Yorkshire.

00:09:40.060 Maybe if she had seen those rainbow cars, she'd have felt less hate or less sad or less lonely

00:09:46.700 or something.

00:09:47.340 Or maybe she just would have laughed at the cops instead of getting all stabby. 0.98

00:09:53.760 Or maybe the opposite.

00:09:54.580 Maybe she would have known that all the police that day were at a special diversity and feelings

00:09:59.080 training session at the police headquarters.

00:10:02.100 So she'd be left alone to do her stabbing.

00:10:05.520 Or maybe she knows that if the police approached her, she could just call them racist and say 0.56

00:10:10.380 they're committing a hate crime against her or a hate incident or just making her anxious.

00:10:15.240 So they should back off or she'll file a hate complaint. 1.00

00:10:19.660 Don't laugh. 0.86

00:10:22.120 1,400 indigenous working class British girls were systematically raped. 0.87

00:10:28.060 And I don't mean raped once each. 0.75

00:10:31.380 I mean raped hundreds of times each. 0.91

00:10:34.640 Sometimes dozens of times a night.

00:10:37.180 Literally millions of rapes in South Yorkshire, right under the nose of the South Yorkshire police

00:10:43.860 there, in the city of Rotherham alone.

00:10:45.920 That's a city of just 250,000 people. 0.99

00:10:47.780 But Pakistani Muslim rape gangs targeted young British girls, literally children, and tricked 1.00

00:10:53.120 them and trapped them and extorted them and raped them and in some cases murdered them. 1.00

00:10:57.080 1,400 girls. 0.85

00:10:59.140 That's what a public inquiry found.

00:11:01.100 They said that was a conservative estimate.

00:11:02.980 It was probably more.

00:11:04.920 Here's the official report on that mass rape incident.

00:11:08.380 It happened over more than a decade.

00:11:12.420 You can find it online quickly.

00:11:13.660 I encourage you to read it.

00:11:15.560 The police knew all about these rapes.

00:11:17.760 They detected them almost immediately, as you can imagine.

00:11:21.480 But time and again, they were worried about being called racist.

00:11:25.980 That's right.

00:11:26.720 It's right in their report. 1.00

00:11:27.720 They didn't stop these Pakistani Muslim rapists because they were brown and Muslim and immigrants 1.00

00:11:31.660 while the children that were being raped were white and Christian and British, so the police 0.99

00:11:36.660 thought that abiding rapists was better than being called racists.

00:11:43.500 These are the people who now seek to get into the hurt feelings business. 1.00

00:11:47.620 And my friends, if you think this is so kooky, so stupid, so foolish that it could only happen 1.00

00:11:54.540 in the United Kingdom, well, sounds like you haven't been paying attention to the transformation 1.00

00:11:59.360 of Canada's police and social justice warriors from the RCMP on down.

00:12:06.880 Stay with us for more today.

00:12:24.540 Well, we've had him on our show several times, and he's been an Alberta political figure on

00:12:32.380 the right for many years, not just as an elected MLA, but before that, as an advocate for the

00:12:39.340 Canadian Taxpayers Federation in that province, and he's also spoken at some of our rallies in

00:12:45.360 Alberta against the carbon tax and in support of pipeline projects.

00:12:50.920 But Derek Fildebrandt has gotten on the wrong side of the United Conservative Party, getting

00:12:57.340 into quarrels with its leadership over some missteps he himself has made, and then over

00:13:03.260 nominations in his own riding.

00:13:06.160 So Derek has decided to start his own political party, and he joins us now to talk about it.

00:13:12.760 Derek Fildebrandt, nice to see you again.

00:13:15.760 Thanks for having me back on the show, Ezra.

00:13:17.620 Did I accurately sum things up?

00:13:19.860 Why don't we just refresh our viewers' memories?

00:13:23.860 How was it that you went from being a leading MLA in the conservative opposition, the Wildrose

00:13:29.940 Party, to being an independent MLA on the outs with the United Conservatives?

00:13:35.200 I think that's important to go over because it informs your decisions going forward.

00:13:40.820 Why are you no longer an MLA under Jason Kenney's party?

00:13:44.800 Well, a year ago, you know, there was a series of news stories that were released, one after

00:13:54.380 another after another, that were planted there by political opponents and opponents in the

00:14:00.660 media.

00:14:01.300 Some of them were real mistakes that I had made, for which I took responsibility and corrected.

00:14:07.760 Others were largely fabricated or spun, which had little semblance in truth or reality at

00:14:14.220 all.

00:14:14.820 But I felt the need at the time because many of these things had been done almost exactly

00:14:21.120 the same by many of my colleagues in the UCP.

00:14:24.500 I felt the need at the time just to not defend myself because it would have harmed many of

00:14:30.320 my colleagues for who had done the exact same things.

00:14:34.740 And so I sort of jumped on the grenade, stepped aside from the party, what I thought was going

00:14:39.040 to be temporarily, and let things roll on.

00:14:43.440 Then in late November, early December of last year, I sat down with Jason Kenney and we discussed

00:14:54.500 the path forward.

00:14:55.340 And he said, he said, Derek, we want you to back, we want you to run in the next election

00:15:00.880 and you can run in any constituency in Alberta, except for your own, because my own constituency

00:15:07.180 had been redrawn by the NDP for the next election.

00:15:10.900 And right now I'm Strathmore Brooks and my neighboring riding is Chestermere-Rockview.

00:15:16.620 And they kind of combined half of each of them into a new constituency of Chestermere-Strathmore.

00:15:22.860 And there was an incumbent, Tory MLA, Lila, here in the next door riding, and she happens 0.99

00:15:31.300 to be one of the only two women and three visible minorities in the Tory caucus.

00:15:35.280 And so when I sat down with Jason, he said, you can't run in that riding.

00:15:38.800 And I said, why?

00:15:41.560 You know, you committed to this grassroots guarantee where local conservatives would get

00:15:44.580 to pick who their candidate is, not yourself or any other party backroomers.

00:15:49.060 And he said, yeah, but in this case, it's different.

00:15:51.740 And his exact quote was, how would it look if a blonde bearded redneck were to defeat one 0.98

00:15:56.000 of our only women and visible minorities in the caucus? 0.96

00:15:58.540 We just can't let it happen.

00:15:59.680 And so Jason and I had drifted apart from there and, you know, I had made some missteps, but

00:16:08.580 he had given every indication in plain language that it was all water under the bridge and

00:16:15.320 no big deal and that everything would be fine until they kind of flipped the switch and said

00:16:21.820 that I would not be welcome back.

00:16:23.460 And you know what?

00:16:23.960 In hindsight, I've had time to look back and I'm very glad that happened because I may have

00:16:29.280 still had the blinders on to not be able to see the absolute corruption within the Tory

00:16:34.620 party, that this is not the United Conservative Party that I believed that we were founding

00:16:39.700 when I was working hard to merge the Wild Rose and PC parties.

00:16:43.140 I thought we would take the best of both parties.

00:16:45.100 But instead, we have just recreated the corrupt old Tory party and its entitlement to power.

00:16:50.680 And I want nothing to do with it.

00:16:53.580 And that's why.

00:16:54.500 I mean, that's pretty heavy talk.

00:16:55.860 I mean, the word corruption, of course, is financial corruption.

00:16:59.020 And I'm sure you don't mean that there's political corruption, which you probably I'm guessing

00:17:04.000 you mean in terms of violating political or or ethical norms.

00:17:09.180 That's pretty heavy talk.

00:17:10.760 And I think conservatives who don't have skin in the game with you or with Jason Kenney would

00:17:17.800 say, that looks like sour grapes if you if you made some missteps and we don't need to

00:17:23.240 rehash them.

00:17:24.460 But if you made some missteps and I know that Jason Kenney has said you were not candid with

00:17:28.680 him as a leader.

00:17:30.380 But if you're now not allowed to run, I mean, what would you say to someone who's saying,

00:17:34.440 well, you couldn't get your way in the party.

00:17:36.560 So you're taking your marbles and you're starting your own party.

00:17:39.620 And it's it's it's not really about corruption.

00:17:42.600 It's about getting your own seat in the legislature.

00:17:45.800 Well, I'll say this.

00:17:46.760 Jason Kenney is lying through his teeth.

00:17:48.500 He's a career politician who's done nothing about politics since the day he was born.

00:17:53.240 And he'll say and do anything for power.

00:17:56.500 I mean, look, I mean, you know, Jason Kenney and I have our share of disagreements, but

00:18:00.780 I got to tell you, when I look at you and I look at Jason Kenney, I see actually a similar

00:18:04.860 career path.

00:18:06.140 Taxpayers Federation guy and then provincial MLA.

00:18:09.960 He went to the federal MP.

00:18:11.360 I think you guys are pretty similar, actually, in terms of.

00:18:15.500 Well, yeah, well, I've done more than just politics and I I never campaigned on never

00:18:21.780 accepting a pension and then being eligible now for a three million dollar pension, that

00:18:27.220 kind of hypocrisy.

00:18:28.200 So, look, when Jason Kenney and us were bringing the Tory, the new Tory party together, we said

00:18:36.700 that there would be open Democratic grassroots nominations.

00:18:39.060 And he very clearly has broken that in my case and in dozens of other cases across Alberta

00:18:44.320 where good conservative candidates have been either disqualified from running or where they've

00:18:51.280 just been rigging the rules and tilting the field within nomination races.

00:18:55.680 So it's not a matter of, you know, if you lose something fair and square, you can accept

00:19:01.200 it and go on.

00:19:02.200 But in the case of my constituency, the people were didn't conservatives were denied even

00:19:06.160 the right to choose their own conservative candidate.

00:19:08.440 They appointed Lila Ahir because of race and skin color. 1.00

00:19:12.580 They didn't let myself run.

00:19:14.480 And then they bullied and refused to let anybody else run.

00:19:17.700 Even regular Joe Blows, who did not want her as the candidate for being too liberal and

00:19:22.820 too tokenistic.

00:19:23.900 They wanted a real nomination.

00:19:25.880 And the party would not let people in my constituency select their own candidate.

00:19:30.900 So there's a reason that from the Strathmore side of my old constituency, every single last

00:19:36.800 Wildrose board member is not with the Tories.

00:19:38.960 They're with the Freedom Conservative Party here.

00:19:41.180 OK, well, let's talk about that.

00:19:44.380 I'll just say that if you're not able to pick who your local conservative candidate is,

00:19:48.440 then you don't have a Democratic say in the party.

00:19:50.920 And you're just expected to vote for the candidate put in front of you like this was a Soviet election.

00:19:55.500 Well, I mean, I'm not sure when you started scorching Jason, but it's no surprise that

00:20:00.520 he wouldn't want you, if you call a fella corrupt and a career politician.

00:20:04.640 Well, I didn't say any of it.

00:20:06.140 No, I was on the best.

00:20:07.780 I was nothing but polite and nice with him until he decided that the people in my constituency

00:20:12.860 would not have the right to select their own candidate.

00:20:15.980 Well, I mean, Derek, as you know, we've supported you in the past when you've been at odds with

00:20:19.200 your party leaders.

00:20:19.800 When Brian Jean suspended you from shadow cabinet over your comments on Kathleen Wynne,

00:20:25.500 we actually set up a petition called Save Derek.

00:20:28.500 And I think we were partly to credit for getting it back in the fold.

00:20:32.000 So we're fans of Derek Fildebrandt.

00:20:34.420 We're fans of Jason Kenney, although we have some disagreements with him.

00:20:37.660 But let's put the past aside because you have a new project.

00:20:41.000 And I remember our last discussion, you brooded the idea of a new party.

00:20:44.980 I think you even talked briefly about Western separatism.

00:20:48.060 I think you might have had a wine liner about that, if my memory serves me correctly.

00:20:52.660 You have gone ahead and started this new Freedom Conservative Party.

00:20:57.020 Tell me a little bit about that.

00:20:58.460 You actually took the legal structure of an existing small party.

00:21:01.920 So you're not you don't have to sign up thousands of new members from scratch.

00:21:05.740 So you are you right now a functioning legal political party in Alberta right now?

00:21:10.340 Yes, we are.

00:21:12.240 So, you know, after my disagreements with Jason, I consider running as an independent in my constituency.

00:21:17.400 But then when I saw the the absolute corruption of nominations across the province and the party,

00:21:24.000 the Tories starting to take a lot of liberal like positions, mimicking the NDP on things like government ownership of the pipeline,

00:21:30.820 refusing to let their MLAs vote for or against Bill 9, taking away free speech rate for pro-lifers or voting for Bill 2,

00:21:39.600 which was an NDP bill that established race and gender quotas in the private sector.

00:21:44.880 All of these things led up to me believing that this was not just the local disagreement and a problem in my constituency,

00:21:50.580 but it was a problem across Alberta.

00:21:52.320 So we we came together with some conservatives, libertarians and Alberta patriots.

00:21:57.560 And we founded the Freedom Conservative Party of Alberta.

00:22:00.440 We used the registration and legal foundation of the Alberta First Party so that we didn't spend nine months going out collecting signatures.

00:22:08.320 And we're able to start work right away.

00:22:11.380 And so we've we've got a great team together from across the province.

00:22:14.860 We've been building up, signing up members, raising money.

00:22:18.000 And we are having our founding convention in on October 20th in Chestermere.

00:22:24.140 And folks can find out more information at freedomconservativeparty.ca.

00:22:29.520 And we flashed briefly your website on the screen there.

00:22:32.700 I have a couple of questions about it.

00:22:35.560 Jason Kenney's success, whatever other criticisms you have of him, was he came in, took over the progressive conservative party itself and forced it, really.

00:22:49.040 I mean, or let it, encouraged it, cajoled it, poked it into a merger with Wildrose.

00:22:55.520 And I don't know if that would have happened without him.

00:22:57.980 So the whole theme was Unite the Right, a replica of what Stephen Harper had done federally.

00:23:03.100 Now, I was always in the position that that wasn't even necessary because the NDP vote in 2015 was such an anomaly.

00:23:11.120 And every by-election we've seen federally and provincially shows that they're going to be wiped out.

00:23:16.240 So I never really believed in the necessity to it, but Albertans seemed to like it, and so it is done.

00:23:24.040 Aren't what, isn't what you're doing the exact opposite?

00:23:27.300 You're doing splittism.

00:23:28.980 You're splitting.

00:23:30.380 Instead of uniting the right, you're dividing the right.

00:23:33.140 And isn't that exactly what most conservatives in Alberta, in both the Wildrose and the former PC party, wanted to do against?

00:23:42.500 And, I mean, again, I believe Rachel Nolte's going to be crushed like a bowl of eggs, but isn't splittism against what conservatives want in Alberta? 0.96

00:23:54.040 Well, I'd pose the question a different way.

00:23:57.080 I'd say who is actually dividing conservatives, federally and provincially?

00:24:00.820 You know, my party has left me, federally and provincially.

00:24:06.640 The parties have been undemocratic, not letting the members make the decisions that they have a right, a legal right and a moral right to make, both on policies and selecting candidates and their leaders.

00:24:18.680 If the leadership and elites of those parties abandon what they're supposed to be standing for and their duty to their members, it is them who is dividing conservatives.

00:24:26.940 Now, I was perhaps one of the very first people in Alberta to be pushing to merge the Wildrose and PC parties like yourself.

00:24:37.960 I didn't believe that was actually necessary to defeat the NDP.

00:24:40.880 It was an anomaly for a number of reasons, but I nonetheless felt it was probably the right thing to do.

00:24:48.300 But under the right circumstances, and I believe that, you know, there's a lot of backroom politics people have no idea about.

00:24:55.920 But during the negotiation process, there were some real problems, particularly coming from on the Wildrose side. 0.99

00:25:04.540 To be fair to Jason, these problems were probably primarily coming from our side, which was really putting the cart before the horse and having the leadership race done too quickly before we even had a constitution for the party.

00:25:16.920 And this meant that the way things were done is the members didn't even get the right to the constitution of their own party.

00:25:22.520 So they had conservative members.

00:25:24.260 That may all be true, but that's water under the bridge.

00:25:27.160 That party doesn't exist anymore.

00:25:28.500 By the way, you might recall, I encouraged you to throw your own hat into the ring.

00:25:32.660 I mean, I was hoping you had done so.

00:25:34.280 But that's all past tense.

00:25:35.660 Now, everyone's looking towards 2019, the next election.

00:25:39.800 So what I'm saying, though, is that it's not good enough just to get rid of the NDP.

00:25:43.800 The Tories are not the party I believed we were founded.

00:25:48.160 They are proposing a 40-degree change from the NDP.

00:25:52.640 I believe we need a 180-degree change.

00:25:55.400 I don't want to keep one major item that the NDP has done.

00:26:00.200 I want to completely destroy the legacy of both Rachel Notley, Jim Prentice, Alison Redford, and Ed Stelmack.

00:26:07.620 We can't simply turn the clock back to 2015.

00:26:09.920 You've got to remember that we had eight years of relatively bad government in Alberta with massive deficits, overspending, and an unaccountable government for three premiers before Rachel Notley.

00:26:21.300 Rachel Notley just made it worse.

00:26:22.980 All right, well, let me get back to—

00:26:23.920 Turning back the clock to 2015.

00:26:25.540 Well, just turning back the clock to 2015, I don't think, is going to be the answer, which is why I believe we need a bolder and more aggressive conservative party, a more grassroots conservative party that isn't captive to special interests.

00:26:37.180 All right, there's some ridings where I think the NDP vote in 2019 is going to be single digits, and your own riding is probably one of them, and many Calgary ridings.

00:26:48.440 But there are some ridings, maybe in Lethbridge, probably not, in Edmonton for sure, where the NDP might still be able to re-elect some MLAs.

00:27:00.880 And you never know what can happen between now and then in politics.

00:27:04.960 A year is a long time.

00:27:06.740 Are you not risking re-electing NDP MLAs in Edmonton or other less right-wing ridings than your own by fielding Freedom Conservative Party candidates to split the right-wing vote?

00:27:21.100 No, we're not, because we're not fielding candidates in any of those constituencies.

00:27:26.600 So we made a very conscious decision when we founded the Freedom Conservative Party that, as bad as the Tories are, they are admittedly better than the NDP.

00:27:36.320 Now, better than the NDP is a pretty low bar to meet, and we think in most of the province that is naturally conservative, people shouldn't have to just settle for better than the NDP.

00:27:46.400 But in constituencies where the NDP have any real chance of winning, we have decided we will not be fielding candidates there.

00:27:55.860 So how do you list those?

00:27:57.760 Is that 10 ridings?

00:27:59.380 Is that 40 ridings?

00:28:00.800 How many ridings are you willing to stay away from to not risk splitting the vote?

00:28:06.540 So it's going to be based on a case-by-case basis from the last combination of results in the last election, more recent polling, and circumstances on the ground, such as who our candidates are and who the other candidates are.

00:28:21.580 And so, you know, as a broad generalization, I can tell you that in most of rural and small-town Alberta, places like my constituency, the NDP have absolutely 0% chance of winning, and we will be fielding candidates.

00:28:34.280 In parts of some of the outer parts of Calgary, in the south and in the west, we will be fielding candidates.

00:28:44.040 But in the more downtown areas of Calgary, in Lethbridge, and in parts of the far north, and probably the vast majority of Edmonton, we will not be fielding candidates because we feel that our position on the ballot there could actually potentially help to elect the NDP.

00:29:01.120 Now, I don't think, even if we ran candidates everywhere, I think the NDP are going to get absolutely crotched in the next election, no matter what.

00:29:08.880 But we also don't want to help contribute to the election of any NDPs, period, even if they're not in a position to be in government.

00:29:18.420 We want us to be the second biggest party in the legislature.

00:29:21.360 Let me ask you this.

00:29:24.140 Sorry, go ahead.

00:29:24.920 I mean, you have had a prominent career, we mentioned, with the Taxpayers Federation and with the Wild Rose.

00:29:34.600 Pardon me, I'm coughing.

00:29:35.540 What would you say to people who said, well, this is just a one-man band, this is a vanity project, instead of running as an independent, independents have a very poor track record in Canada, this is really a party of one.

00:29:49.960 Would you acknowledge that or would you say it's more than that?

00:29:53.120 Are there any other personalities involved?

00:29:55.840 Are there any other prospective candidates?

00:29:57.940 At your convention next month, will there be other talent that is showcased?

00:30:02.340 Who else is with you?

00:30:03.360 Well, the people saying that are generally the people who are afraid of what we can do.

00:30:09.740 They know that we've got significant support across Calgary, rural and small-town Alberta, even building up in Edmonton, even though we don't intend to run candidates there.

00:30:21.360 No, we've got a great team.

00:30:23.600 We've got a board of governors from across the province.

00:30:25.780 We're attracting some really great candidates who will be announcing that they'll be seeking nominations in the next few months.

00:30:32.400 We're going to, some of those people will be at our convention in October.

00:30:37.620 We've got, no, we've got a really great team here.

00:30:39.840 And one of the problems really in all Canadian politics, Alberta federally and in most provinces, is that political parties are almost all one-man bands, where the leader is not just the main face of the party, which is inevitable, but they control everything.

00:30:55.400 And they don't even let their MLAs vote freely or their MPs vote freely.

00:30:59.000 They won't let them speak up.

00:31:00.360 If they happen to have a different opinion than the leader on, say, supply management or free speech rights, they're told to shut up.

00:31:07.380 And we're not like that.

00:31:09.200 We are the only party, I believe, in Canada that has abolished the position of party whip.

00:31:15.440 Now, right now, it's the caucuses I just made myself.

00:31:18.660 So that's a rather, that's a symbolic move at this point.

00:31:21.640 But it is in our founding documents that we will not even have the position of a party whip.

00:31:28.000 So it is very important to us to have a team that we've got.

00:31:31.260 Sorry, go ahead.

00:31:31.800 You mentioned there's, you're going to have some great candidates, and I'm sure you'll want to time that strategically, probably, at your October conference.

00:31:39.200 But is there anyone else you can name at this point that the public would recognize and say, oh, there seems to be a crystallization of other people?

00:31:49.680 Like you mentioned, I think you said dozens of ridings where the United Conservative Party has been heavy-handed.

00:31:57.060 Have, can you name someone else who has joined your movement?

00:32:01.800 I would be breaking confidence if I were to mention any of the folks who might be more household names in Alberta.

00:32:09.440 But we certainly have had, you know, especially some of the ridings where there's been a very corrupted nomination process,

00:32:17.880 where Conservatives have not been allowed to select their candidate in a fair and free race.

00:32:22.940 And in others, we've had a lot of good candidates come forward.

00:32:26.660 We have not opened our MLA nominations yet because we're going through our leadership process at this very moment.

00:32:34.300 And we're going towards our founding policy convention and leadership vote in October, as I said.

00:32:39.580 But when that's done, we're going to be opening up the nomination process in constituencies for candidates to come forward.

00:32:44.980 But, yeah, no, I can't, I'd be breaking confidence if I mentioned those names right now because they're not public.

00:32:51.880 But they will be coming forward as we open up the nominations.

00:32:54.240 Well, and I'm sure that's true.

00:32:55.820 I mean, things have to happen in their due course of time.

00:32:58.360 Well, listen, I'm grateful for your time today.

00:33:00.420 I've had a number of critical questions because there's a, I mean, I acknowledge that Jason Kenney has been timid on certain files.

00:33:08.980 And I'm not privy to the kind of shenanigans that go on in nominations.

00:33:14.620 That seems to happen in every party.

00:33:16.820 But let me end with a more positive note.

00:33:21.460 I think that Alberta traditionally has had a conservative-ish government and the opposition parties were usually on the left.

00:33:30.580 It might be something that is more reflective of the province's true character and might be better governance if the dominant party, let's say the government, next year were the United Conservative Party.

00:33:43.440 But there was a principled right-wing opposition that helped keep it honest because the alternative is for the media party to pull Jason Kenney and the UCP to the left, which is, I believe, what has happened.

00:33:57.820 Everything, every misstep that Jason Kenney has made, every watering down of policy, even your description of the nomination stakes in Chestermere, it's all driven by his concern about the perception that the media party will have of him.

00:34:15.740 Having a counterweight to Jason Kenney on the right to balance the media party on the left could be a salutary thing.

00:34:22.880 I just don't know how serious a movement the Freedom Conservative Party is.

00:34:27.440 I guess maybe you'll show us at your October convention.

00:34:32.160 Indeed.

00:34:32.900 And I put this to you.

00:34:34.840 There's a potential not just to be an opposition party on the right, but potentially to hold the balance of power.

00:34:40.540 If the NDP were to hold most of Edmonton, which is a possibility, and the Tories were to knock the NDP out of much of the rural far north and Calgary,

00:34:52.580 and the FCP were to form a strong caucus, you could see the potential where the FCP would hold the balance of power after the next election.

00:35:01.180 So, kind of on the opposite side of how the Greens hold the balance of power in British Columbia and work with the NDP,

00:35:09.480 you know, the Freedom Conservative Party would be willing to work with the Tories after the next election in some kind of agreement or coalition,

00:35:17.020 if we were able to, you know, if we're able to agree on some key governing priorities.

00:35:21.820 And that would be a much more conservative government than just the Tories governing alone.

00:35:27.300 It would be a significantly more conservative government.

00:35:29.500 It would be a more accountable government.

00:35:31.020 And without the ability of a single-party leader to whip everything,

00:35:35.740 it would be a government that would actually have to listen to people and let MLAs vote and speak freely,

00:35:42.480 rather than just be told to shut up and follow the party line every time.

00:35:47.440 Well, it would be very interesting, and I think a lot of the proof will be in your founding convention,

00:35:52.220 if it's more than just the Derek Fildebrand party, if these other personalities do come,

00:35:56.360 if you have grassroots people.

00:35:58.200 I think that's actually, that's my own view, my own opinion, is that's going to be a key moment.

00:36:02.880 I think we will pay attention to it and we'll cover it, and we look forward to seeing what happens.

00:36:07.900 We care about Alberta and we think it needs to be fixed.

00:36:10.200 So, thanks for spending time with us today.

00:36:13.340 Well, I'll tell you this, you won't be banned from this conservative convention.

00:36:18.820 That's right.

00:36:19.840 All right, well, thanks, Derek.

00:36:21.100 I appreciate the update in answering my most candid questions.

00:36:25.100 No problem.

00:36:26.200 Thanks a lot.

00:36:26.980 You're welcome.

00:36:27.780 Well, that's Derek Fildebrand, been on our show many times before in different capacities,

00:36:31.820 a new capacity today as the new interim leader of the Freedom Conservative Party.

00:36:37.200 I put my questions to him.

00:36:38.320 What do you think?

00:36:39.360 Am I too critical?

00:36:40.420 Am I too negative?

00:36:41.200 Am I too soft on the fella?

00:36:43.220 Send me an email to ezra at therebel.media, and we will continue to cover the phenomenon

00:36:48.100 to see if it does grow into what Derek says it will.

00:36:52.060 Stay with us.

00:36:53.480 More ahead on The Rebel.

00:36:54.300 Welcome back on my monologue Friday about Brazil's leading presidential candidate, Jair Bolsonaro,

00:37:11.600 getting stabbed and the normalized violence against the political right.

00:37:15.400 Peter writes, the worst part is that the mainstream media either ignores the violence against

00:37:20.100 conservatives, cheers it on, or at the very least implies that the victim deserves it.

00:37:24.580 All that attitude does is encourage it.

00:37:26.600 It is becoming, by the day, increasingly dangerous to hold conservative values.

00:37:30.280 Yeah, and the labeling, far-right, all-right, neo-Nazi, we all know, even those of us who are young and have no family connection to the Second World War,

00:37:44.060 we all know that the word Nazi is the purest evil of our age.

00:37:48.360 So if you call someone a Nazi, and we know that we sacrificed millions of lives to fight the Nazis,

00:37:55.380 and the Nazis killed millions of people, if you call someone a Nazi, you're basically saying they're killable.

00:38:01.380 That's the ultimate extension of that. 0.99

00:38:03.100 So it starts with, de-platform someone, get someone fired, punch them in the face. 0.98

00:38:09.640 Then it goes to stabbing, like Bolsonaro, and then it goes to murder. 0.95

00:38:13.960 That's what the media party is doing.

00:38:15.940 They are normalizing violence, which will lead to murder.

00:38:22.360 Deplorable John writes,

00:38:24.320 Frank Buckley is my kind of guest, Ezra, and you must have him back on.

00:38:27.520 The way he triggered Barton was marvelous and very entertaining.

00:38:30.940 Great show, man.

00:38:33.100 Yeah, I really liked him.

00:38:34.260 I don't think I had followed him closely before.

00:38:37.460 He's an interesting guy, because he is a smart professor of law.

00:38:40.600 I mean, that's a pretty smart dude.

00:38:42.880 But he's got that fighting spirit, doesn't he?

00:38:44.900 He likes to scrap.

00:38:45.680 He's also got a bit of a sense of humor.

00:38:47.580 He's also an author, and he obviously is a pundit.

00:38:49.600 He's a Trump speecher.

00:38:50.440 I didn't really know that much about him, but we talked for almost 20 minutes.

00:38:54.880 I know I talk too much.

00:38:56.000 I always do.

00:38:56.480 Hey, by the way, in the first 24 hours we put that video on YouTube,

00:39:00.400 it got about 150,000 views.

00:39:03.560 So you're not the only one who liked it.

00:39:05.860 It's quite something.

00:39:06.820 I think there's a real appetite for the other side of the story on these NAFTA negotiations,

00:39:10.780 not because Canadians are feeling un-Canadian.

00:39:13.520 That's not that.

00:39:15.220 It's that Canadians can detect that Justin Trudeau and Chrystia Freeland are totally botching the

00:39:20.280 negotiations, which should have been the easiest negotiation in the world.

00:39:23.300 And Trudeau's made it bizarre and complex, and he's going to wreck it.

00:39:28.160 And the media party in Canada, especially the CBC, says, no, no, it's all wonderful.

00:39:32.780 And people know they're not getting the whole story.

00:39:37.380 What was so interesting about that was Reshminer, the CBC anchor,

00:39:41.520 when Frank Buckley said Chrystia Freeland was blowing it. 0.99

00:39:45.560 She wasn't mad or hostile.

00:39:46.980 She was just stunned that anyone could say such a thing about Precious Chrystia.

00:39:52.240 She just never heard of it before.

00:39:54.360 Ron writes, I also enjoyed the professor and his opinions of Freeland.

00:39:58.520 He said that the White House doesn't like her, which is a popular opinion.

00:40:02.260 Negotiators are supposed to be, like salespeople, very likable.

00:40:05.360 The Russians don't seem to like her either, as they have also banned Freeland from entering Russia.

00:40:10.840 Yeah, I mean, can I point something out that's pretty obvious?

00:40:15.800 The United States has their equivalent of a foreign ministry called the Secretary of State.

00:40:20.900 His name is Mike Pompeo, used to be the CIA director.

00:40:24.460 Now he's being promoted.

00:40:26.660 He's not doing these negotiations.

00:40:28.520 I mean, I'm sure he gets reports maybe even on a daily basis.

00:40:32.640 And he'll probably be there at some sort of signing ceremony.

00:40:36.440 But Mike Pompeo is a politician.

00:40:39.140 And he's a former military man, actually went to West Point.

00:40:42.960 But he's not a professional negotiator.

00:40:46.520 And so he is not leading the negotiations for the Americans.

00:40:51.840 There's a trade representative.

00:40:54.580 Ambassador Lighthizer is his name.

00:40:56.480 That's all he does.

00:40:57.820 That's all he's done for years.

00:40:59.960 Just negotiate trade deals.

00:41:02.140 So he's an expert.

00:41:03.080 I don't know his pedigree.

00:41:04.240 I'd have to check him out.

00:41:05.780 I bet he's got a law degree.

00:41:06.660 I bet he's got a lot of experience haggling, negotiating the fine points of things.

00:41:11.580 He's probably a lawyer, probably business.

00:41:14.020 I mean, I'm just guessing.

00:41:15.200 But, you know, this is all he does is negotiate.

00:41:18.760 He is a professional negotiator.

00:41:20.540 And he's not selected from Congress.

00:41:23.700 He's not even a cabinet appointee.

00:41:25.200 He's appointed just for that.

00:41:27.360 Do you see my point?

00:41:29.000 He's probably the best trade negotiator in America.

00:41:31.780 Why are we sending Chrystia Freeland down as our negotiator? 0.99

00:41:37.680 Is she the best trade negotiator in Canada?

00:41:42.280 I don't know if she's a lawyer.

00:41:43.940 I don't think she is.

00:41:44.560 I think she's just a journalist and a chatty politician. 1.00

00:41:51.820 Why is our foreign minister doing the negotiations?

00:41:54.380 Why don't we have a professional, calm, sophisticated, experienced, quiet lawyer doing it?

00:42:02.320 Why are we negotiating in the media?

00:42:06.220 Why is it Chrystia Freeland going down there when I believe what Frank Buckley said is that

00:42:11.560 Chrystia Freeland is irritating them? 0.99

00:42:13.220 I mean, she gives speeches poking at them.

00:42:15.080 When was the last time you saw a speech by Robert Lighthizer, the American trade rep,

00:42:19.940 denouncing Justin Trudeau?

00:42:21.040 He would never do that.

00:42:22.300 He has one job.

00:42:23.080 Get the best deal for America possible.

00:42:25.100 We have people like that in Canada, by the way.

00:42:27.960 The people who helped negotiate the Canada-U.S. free trade agreement more than about 30 years

00:42:32.640 ago now.

00:42:33.420 The people who negotiated the NAFTA agreement.

00:42:35.980 We have professionals, even people who've worked for the conservatives in the past.

00:42:40.180 They would do this for the aid of the country.

00:42:41.540 Even Brian Mulroney.

00:42:42.760 He's a blarney kind of politician, but he actually was a lawyer and a negotiator in business.

00:42:49.200 I don't know if you know that about Brian Mulroney.

00:42:50.480 Why are we putting such an irritating, unskilled, inexperienced blatherskite as our point person 1.00

00:42:59.620 here?

00:43:00.140 Why?

00:43:00.500 In fact, I saw news, forgive me for going on, Gerald Butts, the principal secretary to

00:43:07.320 Justin Trudeau, and Katie Telford, chief of staff to Justin Trudeau, they went down to

00:43:11.120 meet with Lighthizer too.

00:43:13.100 They're skilled people at campaigning and at managing staff and at ideological matters,

00:43:19.660 but are Gerald Butts or Katie Telford, are they experienced, sophisticated, world-class

00:43:26.960 trade deal negotiators?

00:43:29.120 I don't think they are.

00:43:32.240 Why are we making this weird personnel decision?

00:43:36.800 Why is it all political people on our side and all trade negotiators on their side?

00:43:42.660 Don't you see how we're going to be bamboozled or just lose?

00:43:47.960 All right.

00:43:48.500 Sorry for the five-minute answer to the question, but it is quite something.

00:43:51.880 And I think that's what spooked Reshmi Nair, is the revelation that maybe, maybe, maybe not

00:43:58.280 everyone in Washington, D.C. thinks Christian Freeland is the bee's knees, as I called it.

00:44:04.400 All right.

00:44:04.640 That's our show for today.

00:44:06.080 On behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night and

00:44:10.360 keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - September 11, 2018

A major police force in the UK declares war on — insults

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