Rebel News Podcast - A training camp for school shooters is discovered in New Mexico — and the Media Party covers it up

00:00:00.000 Tonight, a training camp for school shooters is discovered in New Mexico, and the media party covers it up.

00:00:07.180 It's August 10th, and you're watching The Ezra Levant Show.

00:00:15.380 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:00:19.180 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:00:22.940 You come here once a year with a sign, and you feel morally superior.

00:00:25.900 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:00:36.700 Look at this headline here. It's from the CBC, of course, but it's the same in a hundred other media.

00:00:44.000 Man says body found at New Mexico compound is his missing grandson.

00:00:50.780 That sounds really sad. A missing grandson is found dead.

00:00:54.060 That's a very sad story, and it's even sadder when you read some more.

00:00:57.700 Here, let me continue.

00:01:00.420 Search for boy led police to desert site where remains 11 hungry children discovered.

00:01:08.180 Wow, 11 more hungry kids are found, and that grandpa is sad, I bet.

00:01:13.340 I wonder if the other 11 kids were his grandchildren, too.

00:01:16.880 Was the desert site where they were found, was the boy's father there, you know, the grandpa's son?

00:01:24.080 If so, that's a weird way to write a headline, don't you think?

00:01:26.880 To talk about the grandfather-grandson connection, but to leave out everything in the middle?

00:01:32.120 Here, let's read some more from this story.

00:01:34.220 A severely disabled Georgia boy, who authorities say was kidnapped by his father and marked for an exorcism,

00:01:42.880 was found buried at the ramshackle compound in the New Mexico desert that has been the focus of investigators for the past week,

00:01:50.360 the toddler's grandfather said Thursday.

00:01:52.800 Wow, that is a sad story and weird, but it looks like the father is the center of the story, actually, doesn't it?

00:02:00.220 I mean, weird that the grandpa is styled as the center of things so far.

00:02:04.760 Okay, let's read some more of this story.

00:02:07.440 New Mexico authorities, however, said they had yet to identify the remains discovered Monday,

00:02:12.740 and prosecutors said they were awaiting word on the cause of death before deciding on any charges.

00:02:17.820 Hmm, okay, so it might not have been a suspicious death then.

00:02:24.020 That's the question the journalists raised.

00:02:25.520 So I guess we know why the grandpa is sad anyways.

00:02:28.260 His grandson was found dead.

00:02:31.040 But we don't know if anything else was odd, although it sounds a little weird, those 11 hungry kids.

00:02:36.100 I mean, it's odd that the CBC would run a story about a grandpa in America whose grandson may or may not have been killed.

00:02:43.400 It's weird to run a story like that in Canada's national broadcaster.

00:02:47.820 I wonder if we're getting the whole story here.

00:02:50.020 Okay, let's read some more and find out.

00:02:52.940 The boy, Abdul Ghani Wahaj, would have turned four on Monday.

00:02:58.840 Prosecutors said he was snatched from his mother in December in Jonesboro, Georgia, near Atlanta.

00:03:04.860 Okay, now there's some drama.

00:03:06.240 The boy was snatched from his mother back in December.

00:03:09.560 I don't know if snatched means kidnapped.

00:03:11.540 I mean, it's vague, isn't it?

00:03:12.680 Are the mom and dad divorced?

00:03:15.120 If a mom takes a boy away, is that snatching?

00:03:19.140 I mean, was this a kidnapping?

00:03:20.280 Snatching isn't a word in the criminal code.

00:03:22.340 This is a weird story, isn't it?

00:03:23.900 But if you're like me, when weird stories about crime are afoot and things seem to be written to conceal the truth rather than reveal the truth,

00:03:33.540 you notice things like a name, Abdul Ghani Wahaj.

00:03:38.820 It's a Muslim name.

00:03:41.040 Now, why have they named the boy, but they haven't yet named the dad or the grandpa?

00:03:46.440 Especially since the story was built around the grandfather, right?

00:03:49.260 Okay, let's keep reading together.

00:03:50.200 The search for him led authorities to New Mexico, where 11 hungry children and a youngster's remains were found in recent days at a filthy compound shielded by old tires, wooden pallets, and an earthen wall studded with broken glass.

00:04:07.360 Okay, now this is really getting spooky, isn't it?

00:04:09.340 I mean, a compound with 11 hungry children, and it was surrounded by a wall studded with broken glass?

00:04:16.580 That sounds really weird.

00:04:17.620 Don't you think that's a little more salient, a little more central to the story than a grandpa being sad?

00:04:25.100 11 kids were found hungry in a desert compound, surrounded by homemade glass studded walls?

00:04:31.960 Who wrote this weird story?

00:04:33.780 Why have they buried the lead here?

00:04:36.040 Let me keep going.

00:04:37.360 The missing boy's grandfather, Siraj Wahaj, a Muslim cleric who leads a well-known New York City mosque,

00:04:44.160 told reporters he had learned from other family members that the remains were his grandsons.

00:04:50.240 Oh, my.

00:04:51.720 Siraj Wahaj, who runs a famous New York City mosque?

00:04:55.060 So it's not just a grandpa, is it?

00:04:57.520 He's a famous Muslim leader.

00:05:00.560 I'm going to come back to that in a moment.

00:05:02.000 Let's read the rest of the story.

00:05:03.040 I'm reading line by line.

00:05:04.440 This was, again, written by Associated Press, published in the CBC.

00:05:07.180 So this story was picked up in a lot of places and run word for word.

00:05:10.920 Let me just speed read through some more here.

00:05:12.760 I should tell you, I am not skipping a single word in this story.

00:05:16.020 I haven't missed anything.

00:05:17.380 I'm not hiding anything.

00:05:18.460 I'm just telling you exactly how this story is written line by line.

00:05:22.620 Here, let's keep going.

00:05:24.340 The imam, that's the grandpa, the imam said he did not know the cause of death.

00:05:29.640 Whoever is responsible, then that person should be held accountable, Wahaj said.

00:05:34.020 Yes, we must find the criminal.

00:05:36.860 I mean, again, isn't it his own son who allegedly snatched the boy?

00:05:41.920 But maybe someone else did something to him.

00:05:44.320 That's not known yet by police, is it?

00:05:47.620 Does anything in this story make sense so far?

00:05:49.900 Why don't we have the name of the dad?

00:05:53.200 That's weird.

00:05:54.080 Okay, here, I'm going to keep going.

00:05:56.100 In an interview with WSB TV in Atlanta, the boy's mother also called for justice,

00:06:03.080 as she described how her life had been taken from her after her son was abducted by his father,

00:06:08.700 which she said was out of character for him.

00:06:11.060 She and Siraj ibn Wahaj, the imam's son, had been married almost 14 years.

00:06:16.540 I wasn't able to save my son, Hakima Ramsey told the television station.

00:06:21.820 Are they still married?

00:06:22.920 It's not clear yet.

00:06:24.040 They say taken now, not snatched, not kidnapped.

00:06:27.580 Did she call the police about this?

00:06:29.980 No one knows yet.

00:06:30.820 The CBC doesn't tell us yet.

00:06:32.560 But finally, we know the dad's name, Siraj ibn Wahaj, the same name as his dad.

00:06:38.760 Why are we reading all the story in Canada at all?

00:06:41.540 Well, let's keep going because this is a lesson in the media.

00:06:44.040 That's what we're doing here.

00:06:45.080 In the CBC, in the Associated Press.

00:06:47.180 Let me keep going in this story here, okay?

00:06:49.120 A little bit extreme is the headline, the next sub-headline.

00:06:55.200 A little bit extreme.

00:06:56.440 So the very top headline in the story is about a sad grandpa.

00:07:01.680 And then it's about a snatched kid.

00:07:03.960 Then only later do we hear about a Muslim mosque.

00:07:06.320 And now, deep down in the story, under some more confusing details,

00:07:09.480 the word extreme makes its first appearance.

00:07:11.900 Extreme what, I wonder?

00:07:12.880 Well, they don't say yet, and they don't say for a while.

00:07:16.060 Here, let's keep reading some more.

00:07:18.220 In Facebook messages, Naima Rashid, Ramzi's sister-in-law,

00:07:23.380 told the Associated Press that she, too, was surprised by Wahaj's actions,

00:07:27.360 saying he had always valued the closeness of their family.

00:07:31.400 Rashid also recalled from Atlanta the deep bond between the boy and his mother,

00:07:35.740 who couldn't leave the room without him crying.

00:07:37.840 While the boy could not walk, Rashid remembers that he smiled and laughed

00:07:42.400 as he watched his cousin's play.

00:07:45.680 Of course, this is a hard time for her, Rashid said of the mother.

00:07:49.740 Ramzi, who is from Morocco, filed for divorce in December,

00:07:53.240 the same month neighbors say Siraj ibn Wahaj and others arrived in Amalia, New Mexico.

00:07:59.360 Okay, so they did file for divorce.

00:08:01.400 So maybe it was a kidnapping, but so far I don't know what that extreme word was referring to.

00:08:09.080 I know that there was a deep bond between a boy and his mother,

00:08:12.840 and they valued the closeness of their family.

00:08:15.280 That's apparently important news.

00:08:17.520 I guess it's news that a four-year-old boy has a deep bond with his mom.

00:08:22.400 But that was, keep going here,

00:08:25.540 that was important for the CBC to put in that story.

00:08:28.420 Not sure what that extreme part was about.

00:08:32.240 Hey, does anybody know what this story is actually reporting yet?

00:08:35.080 I mean, we're halfway through.

00:08:35.820 Do you know what this story is about?

00:08:38.440 I mean, how many people do you think would still be reading this weird ramble?

00:08:42.280 Okay, let's keep going.

00:08:44.940 A Georgia arrest warrant accused him of kidnapping his child.

00:08:48.740 Authorities said the father at some point told his wife

00:08:50.840 he wanted to perform an exorcism on the boy

00:08:52.780 who suffers seizures and requires constant attention

00:08:55.440 because of a lack of oxygen and blood flow at birth.

00:08:58.760 Okay, so he was accused of kidnapping.

00:09:02.880 That's weird that it only comes out now after they said snatched and taken.

00:09:06.740 He told his wife he wanted to perform an exorcism.

00:09:09.220 That's really weird, don't you think?

00:09:12.120 And weird that you'd bury a fact like that deep down in the story.

00:09:15.740 But look at this.

00:09:16.380 We're almost at the end of the story here.

00:09:17.920 It's almost an afterthought.

00:09:19.180 Look at this.

00:09:19.600 The child's father was among five adults

00:09:23.400 arrested on suspicion of child abuse

00:09:26.040 in the raid at the compound.

00:09:29.260 In court papers, prosecutors also said

00:09:30.900 Wahaj had been training children 1.00

00:09:32.620 there to carry out school shootings.

00:09:37.700 He was training children to carry out school shootings. 0.66

00:09:44.240 This was a training camp for mass murderers.

00:09:49.580 Now look at the headline right from the very top of the story one more time.

00:09:52.640 Man says body found at New Mexico compound is his missing grandson.

00:09:57.860 Is that the news here?

00:10:00.160 Or the sub-headline there?

00:10:01.940 Search for boy led police to desert site where remains.

00:10:05.160 Eleven hungry children were discovered.

00:10:06.740 Is the fact that they were hungry

00:10:08.540 the most interesting detail about this story?

00:10:11.020 Or the fact that they were being trained to be school shooters?

00:10:15.900 Let me keep reading the story.

00:10:17.260 Speaking at his Brooklyn mosque,

00:10:18.540 the elder Wahaj said he had no knowledge of any such training.

00:10:22.500 Oh, it sounds to me, it sounds crazy, but I don't know, he said.

00:10:28.220 I make no judgments yet because we don't know.

00:10:33.740 What a wise old grandfather.

00:10:36.360 He surely racked with pain because of the loss of his grandson.

00:10:40.140 They sound so close.

00:10:41.980 But he's very wise to counsel us not to rush to judgment.

00:10:44.980 I mean, yeah, sounds crazy, but we just don't know.

00:10:49.440 Let me read some more.

00:10:50.260 The imam's mosque has attracted a number of radicals over the years,

00:10:54.540 including a man who later helped bomb the World Trade Center in 1993.

00:10:59.560 In a video posted Thursday on Facebook,

00:11:01.840 mosque spokesperson Ali Abdul Karim Judan

00:11:04.720 called the case a domestic situation

00:11:06.720 and vehemently denied it had anything to do with extremism

00:11:10.560 because you know he's really plugged into that family.

00:11:13.780 But even that first part in 1993,

00:11:16.940 I mean, that's literally 25 years ago.

00:11:19.980 So that's probably nothing, right?

00:11:21.640 It's very unfair to assume there's anything wrong by it.

00:11:26.180 This is just all a domestic situation.

00:11:28.700 Stop even reading this story.

00:11:30.320 Let me read a little more, though,

00:11:31.620 even though they're trying their best to make a stop reading.

00:11:34.120 None of the charges had anything to do

00:11:36.320 with anybody teaching anybody shooting

00:11:39.200 to commit acts of terrorism

00:11:41.000 or to go in and shoot up any school, he said. 0.99

00:11:44.820 Because it's a Muslim and the circumstances 1.00

00:11:46.680 that are surrounding their situation,

00:11:48.240 they want to change the narrative.

00:11:50.320 The elder Wahaj said all 11 of the children,

00:11:53.480 ages 1 to 15,

00:11:54.540 were either his biological grandchildren

00:11:56.520 or members of his family through marriage.

00:11:58.940 Holy cow. 0.89

00:12:01.780 So we are deep, deep, deep, deep, deep in the story.

00:12:05.440 And only now are we getting to what the story is about.

00:12:08.860 Siraj ibn Wahaj has a compound

00:12:12.620 with 11 of his own children.

00:12:16.880 And police say he was training them to be school shooters.

00:12:19.720 But the grandpa, also called Siraj Wahaj,

00:12:21.880 he says it's nothing, don't rush to judgment.

00:12:25.220 And he has a spokesman saying

00:12:27.280 it's got nothing to do with extremism.

00:12:29.280 Let me keep reading here.

00:12:30.980 I'm very concerned with the condition of my grandchildren, he said.

00:12:35.380 He said he didn't understand why his son

00:12:37.260 had taken the family and disappeared into the desert

00:12:39.920 but suggested that psychiatric disorder was to blame.

00:12:43.000 Of course it always is, isn't it?

00:12:44.580 My son can be maybe a little bit extreme, he said,

00:12:48.500 though he added that he never thought

00:12:51.360 he was extreme enough to kill anyone.

00:12:54.140 High-strung, he said. 0.82

00:12:56.100 Extreme, eh?

00:12:57.320 Finally that word is explained.

00:12:59.280 High-strung.

00:12:59.960 You know high-strung people.

00:13:01.900 Oh, that guy, he drinks too much coffee.

00:13:04.020 He's too much go, go, go.

00:13:05.460 He's high-strung.

00:13:07.480 Now, I'm going to stop now, okay?

00:13:08.860 I mean, there are weird evasions

00:13:10.880 and euphemisms in this story.

00:13:12.340 It just gets weirder.

00:13:13.760 But besides more weird excuseology,

00:13:16.140 they did finally report that there were

00:13:18.820 five other adults at the compound, too.

00:13:20.780 That's pretty weird.

00:13:22.360 You know what they didn't put in this story,

00:13:24.700 published by the CBC, written by the Associated Press?

00:13:27.740 That grandpa, that lonely soul,

00:13:30.100 so worried about his grandson,

00:13:31.920 who thinks his son might be a bit extreme, 0.99

00:13:34.120 but it's probably a mental illness. 0.80

00:13:36.000 You know, he really wouldn't hurt a fly.

00:13:38.480 Do you know who Siraj Wahaj is?

00:13:39.960 Let's check in with a real newspaper,

00:13:44.500 the New York Post.

00:13:46.140 Here's a story.

00:13:47.840 1993 WTC plotter in Mike Meat.

00:13:52.340 What does that even mean?

00:13:53.300 That's a funny headline.

00:13:54.260 That's that trademark New York tabloid style.

00:13:56.720 WTC is World Trade Center.

00:14:00.200 As you may know, in 1993,

00:14:03.520 Muslim terrorists tried to blow up the towers 0.95

00:14:06.360 with a truck bomb at the bottom. 0.98

00:14:08.160 It was a trial run for the 9-11 attacks 0.96

00:14:12.960 eight years later.

00:14:14.320 They tried a truck bomb and it didn't work,

00:14:16.260 so then they flew jets into it.

00:14:18.160 Okay, so that's the WTC,

00:14:20.960 and the Mike in the headline

00:14:22.800 refers to Mike Bloomberg,

00:14:24.620 then the mayor of New York.

00:14:25.880 So this was a 2009 story.

00:14:27.580 So to the New York Post, this was a scandal.

00:14:30.800 Michael Bloomberg, the mayor,

00:14:33.120 was meeting with a plotter

00:14:35.120 from the 1993 terrorist attack

00:14:38.340 on the World Trade Center.

00:14:39.260 Here, let me read from a real news source,

00:14:41.320 not the fake news of the CBC.

00:14:43.040 Here's from the New York Post.

00:14:45.120 A controversial imam

00:14:46.740 who was an unindicted co-conspirator

00:14:49.800 in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing

00:14:52.280 was among a group of Muslim leaders

00:14:54.060 invited yesterday to a meeting

00:14:55.720 with Mayor Bloomberg at City Hall.

00:14:58.660 Siraj Wahaj has defended

00:15:00.760 the convicted World Trade Center bomb plotters,

00:15:03.680 called the FBI and CIA

00:15:05.760 the real terrorists,

00:15:07.880 and said he hopes all Americans 0.97

00:15:09.120 eventually become Muslim.

00:15:12.820 Now, so Siraj Wahaj himself

00:15:14.740 was not convicted of terrorism,

00:15:15.960 but he was a suspect.

00:15:17.220 He was an unindicted co-conspirator.

00:15:18.640 He wasn't convicted of anything.

00:15:20.500 He didn't really disabuse the notion, though, did he?

00:15:23.020 He called the U.S. the real terrorists 0.96

00:15:25.180 and says everyone should be Muslim. 0.96

00:15:27.240 Do you think that's a relevant point

00:15:28.760 that maybe should have been added

00:15:31.220 to the CBC story,

00:15:32.600 that he was an unindicted co-conspirator

00:15:34.700 in the World Trade Center terrorist attack?

00:15:36.260 Do you remember how the CBC described him?

00:15:38.440 Here, let me read that part again

00:15:39.300 from the CBC story.

00:15:40.980 The imam's mosque has attracted

00:15:43.560 a number of radicals over the years,

00:15:45.860 including a man who later

00:15:47.660 helped bomb the World Trade Center in 1993.

00:15:50.400 Yeah, no, no, no.

00:15:51.300 The imam himself, Siraj Wahaj,

00:15:53.920 that friendly grandpa,

00:15:55.620 he was an unindicted co-conspirator

00:15:57.780 in the terrorist attack.

00:15:58.640 He was also actually a character witness

00:16:00.560 for a terrorist,

00:16:01.860 but the CBC says,

00:16:02.800 oh, no, some other guy might have done it.

00:16:04.940 This is just a friendly grandpa

00:16:06.160 who's so concerned.

00:16:07.800 The CBC withheld that key fact from you.

00:16:10.140 The whole story is weird.

00:16:11.300 Would you not agree?

00:16:12.160 The whole story was unreporting,

00:16:14.500 anti-reporting, dis-reporting.

00:16:16.740 Look at this TV clip

00:16:17.680 in the local news.

00:16:19.380 Look at this.

00:16:20.060 Here's a tweet.

00:16:21.280 Heartbreak for a mother 0.94

00:16:22.380 of little boy kidnapped

00:16:23.740 from Metro Atlanta.

00:16:25.120 His father was arrested

00:16:26.100 at Compound in New Mexico.

00:16:28.100 Remains of a small child

00:16:29.140 believed to be the missing boy

00:16:30.540 were also found.

00:16:31.780 Hear more of our exclusive interview

00:16:33.360 at 544.

00:16:35.560 Oh, is that what the story is about?

00:16:38.240 Here, watch the video for a second.

00:16:39.760 I wasn't able to save my son's life.

00:16:45.820 I'm sure it is very sad.

00:16:48.580 I'm sure she means those tears.

00:16:50.620 After all, thanks to the CBC's reporting,

00:16:53.140 we know that she loved her son.

00:16:56.740 So yes, that is part of the story,

00:16:58.600 to be sure.

00:17:00.700 But is that really the most newsworthy fact here?

00:17:02.900 that a plotter

00:17:05.300 of the 1993 World Trade Center

00:17:06.680 a terrorist attack,

00:17:08.220 his son has a compound

00:17:10.380 in the New Mexico desert

00:17:11.640 training 11 grandchildren

00:17:14.840 of the terrorist plotter

00:17:16.560 to be school shooters.

00:17:18.940 Is the mother's grief

00:17:19.960 and the grandfather's grief,

00:17:21.920 is that the real news here?

00:17:25.080 Yeah, you bet it is.

00:17:26.400 When Islam is involved, 1.00

00:17:27.620 well, you know,

00:17:29.000 there is nothing

00:17:29.760 that the media party

00:17:31.160 obsesses about

00:17:31.900 more than a school shooting.

00:17:33.180 And with good reason,

00:17:34.160 a school shooting is terrifying.

00:17:35.340 It's every parent's nightmare.

00:17:36.340 It's so emotional.

00:17:37.500 It's a way to criticize

00:17:39.140 firearms ownership, isn't it?

00:17:40.440 Even we Canadians

00:17:41.320 know the names

00:17:42.300 of famous schools

00:17:43.460 that were shot.

00:17:44.260 Parkland, Sandy Hook, Columbine.

00:17:47.140 You could even say

00:17:47.960 the media lusts

00:17:50.020 for school shootings.

00:17:50.980 They certainly cover them 0.93

00:17:52.180 with lust.

00:17:53.160 But not in this case.

00:17:55.300 Isn't that funny?

00:17:55.960 An entire diabolical school

00:17:59.520 training camp

00:18:00.620 that, according to police,

00:18:02.500 was literally

00:18:03.140 a training camp

00:18:04.600 for school shootings.

00:18:07.760 But you really couldn't

00:18:09.840 even get that information

00:18:10.800 until you waded

00:18:11.400 through paragraph

00:18:11.960 after paragraph

00:18:12.920 after paragraph

00:18:13.860 of weird unreporting

00:18:15.980 about the grandpa

00:18:16.940 and a young disabled child.

00:18:19.600 All completely irrelevant

00:18:21.300 to the story

00:18:22.180 and the real facts,

00:18:23.980 the real identity

00:18:24.720 of this terrorist-loving family

00:18:26.420 were hidden.

00:18:28.560 It reminds me

00:18:29.320 of the coverage

00:18:29.720 of Faisal Hussain,

00:18:30.940 the Muslim mass shooter

00:18:31.960 in Toronto, 0.97

00:18:32.680 the other day

00:18:33.180 where police

00:18:33.700 withheld his identity

00:18:34.880 from the media

00:18:35.740 for a day.

00:18:38.160 Even after ISIS

00:18:39.400 claimed responsibility,

00:18:40.820 the media said,

00:18:41.420 no, no, no, no, no.

00:18:42.160 No, no.

00:18:43.180 Definitely not 0.99

00:18:43.780 a Muslim terrorist. 0.97

00:18:45.180 Imagine that. 1.00

00:18:46.900 There's something

00:18:47.700 the media lusts for

00:18:48.780 even more

00:18:49.400 than a school shooting

00:18:50.600 or the bizarre novel

00:18:52.420 terrifying Black Swan,

00:18:55.080 an event so impossible

00:18:56.200 to imagine,

00:18:56.760 like 9-11 itself

00:18:57.880 was a Black Swan,

00:18:58.880 something unthinkable

00:18:59.760 until it happened.

00:19:01.560 The Black Swan

00:19:02.420 of a school

00:19:03.860 for children

00:19:05.340 being taught 0.91

00:19:06.880 to murder 0.99

00:19:08.360 other children,

00:19:09.820 a school in the desert

00:19:11.260 in New Mexico,

00:19:12.640 an amazing,

00:19:14.080 shocking,

00:19:15.680 unfathomable story,

00:19:17.460 a story that would

00:19:19.160 be lusted after

00:19:20.120 by journalists

00:19:20.840 if it was

00:19:22.340 a white guy.

00:19:24.820 But if it was

00:19:25.680 a Muslim guy, 1.00

00:19:26.800 the son of a terrorist 1.00

00:19:27.740 plotter no less,

00:19:28.660 well then,

00:19:29.680 let's just not report it

00:19:31.800 other than that

00:19:32.600 sad, sad story

00:19:34.320 of the disabled boy

00:19:35.280 and his sad, sad mom

00:19:36.840 who really loved him.

00:19:39.920 I've said it before

00:19:40.880 and I'll say it again,

00:19:41.660 you just can't trust

00:19:43.240 a word

00:19:43.860 the mainstream media

00:19:45.680 says.

00:19:47.460 Stay with us

00:19:48.740 for more.

00:20:05.640 Welcome back.

00:20:06.640 Well, this week

00:20:07.140 we've been talking

00:20:07.820 a lot about

00:20:08.720 political censorship

00:20:09.760 on the internet,

00:20:10.840 especially about

00:20:11.540 Alex Jones

00:20:12.360 of InfoWars.

00:20:13.900 But it's not just

00:20:15.100 controversialists

00:20:16.340 like that.

00:20:16.840 it's major

00:20:18.160 mainstream debates

00:20:19.500 such as

00:20:20.160 the theory

00:20:21.000 of man-made

00:20:22.040 global warming

00:20:22.720 and what to do

00:20:24.100 about it,

00:20:24.620 if anything.

00:20:25.640 And here's what

00:20:26.480 scares me.

00:20:27.980 It's not just

00:20:28.940 radical,

00:20:32.380 troublemaking

00:20:33.100 entertainer journalists

00:20:34.420 who are being

00:20:35.100 censored.

00:20:35.860 And I respect

00:20:36.820 Alex Jones'

00:20:37.940 right to have

00:20:38.500 his free speech,

00:20:39.060 of course.

00:20:39.420 now YouTube

00:20:41.820 is positively

00:20:43.180 meddling

00:20:44.120 in any

00:20:47.300 videos

00:20:48.340 that bring

00:20:49.400 a skeptical

00:20:50.300 point of view

00:20:50.960 to the theory

00:20:51.560 of man-made

00:20:52.000 global warming.

00:20:52.480 Let me show you

00:20:53.000 this image here.

00:20:53.880 This is a video

00:20:54.720 by the prestigious

00:20:56.080 Prager University.

00:20:58.960 It's Richard

00:20:59.760 Lindzen

00:21:00.320 who is one of

00:21:01.640 the most thoughtful

00:21:02.360 thinkers and speakers

00:21:03.700 about global warming.

00:21:05.440 and you can see

00:21:06.320 appended

00:21:07.100 underneath the video

00:21:08.620 is a rebuttal,

00:21:11.000 a rebuttal

00:21:12.080 to his thesis

00:21:13.200 put there

00:21:14.820 by YouTube.

00:21:17.600 And joining us

00:21:18.260 now via Skype

00:21:19.280 is our friend

00:21:19.780 Mark Marana

00:21:20.300 to explain

00:21:21.260 this craziness.

00:21:23.940 Mark,

00:21:24.100 this isn't

00:21:24.600 actual censorship.

00:21:26.080 They're not knocking

00:21:26.920 this video off

00:21:27.680 the internet.

00:21:28.480 They're just putting

00:21:29.540 a corporate

00:21:31.120 rebuttal to it

00:21:33.000 underneath it.

00:21:34.000 I've never seen

00:21:34.740 that before.

00:21:37.360 Yeah,

00:21:37.980 this is all part

00:21:39.000 of a recent

00:21:39.960 or a long-going

00:21:41.180 campaign,

00:21:41.760 but recently

00:21:42.220 starting to show

00:21:43.080 impact

00:21:43.620 by the climate

00:21:44.520 activists

00:21:45.040 to censor

00:21:46.660 and shut down

00:21:47.540 the climate

00:21:48.040 debate

00:21:48.460 on social media,

00:21:50.180 on alternative

00:21:51.060 forms of

00:21:52.000 communication

00:21:53.040 and what they're

00:21:53.600 doing at YouTube,

00:21:54.360 as you just

00:21:54.780 pointed out.

00:21:55.960 It's YouTube

00:21:56.880 sourcing,

00:21:58.180 are you ready

00:21:58.600 for this,

00:21:59.120 Ezra?

00:21:59.840 Wikipedia

00:22:00.480 as the authority

00:22:02.300 to refute

00:22:03.420 MIT climate

00:22:04.500 scientist,

00:22:05.240 Dr.

00:22:05.600 Richard Lindzen,

00:22:06.320 who's done

00:22:06.600 hundreds of

00:22:07.080 peer-reviewed

00:22:07.560 studies and

00:22:09.260 has been at

00:22:10.560 the forefront

00:22:11.180 of the entire

00:22:12.440 climate change

00:22:13.220 debate for

00:22:14.080 35 plus years.

00:22:16.380 So this is how

00:22:17.100 YouTube,

00:22:18.200 you can just

00:22:18.600 imagine it now,

00:22:19.640 Ezra,

00:22:19.840 it's probably

00:22:20.180 some teenager

00:22:22.160 in a t-shirt

00:22:22.860 working part-time

00:22:24.260 for YouTube

00:22:24.820 and they're

00:22:25.260 posting up a

00:22:25.900 video,

00:22:26.200 but this is

00:22:26.540 very high up

00:22:27.260 in the corporate

00:22:27.760 offices.

00:22:28.820 My debate

00:22:29.520 with Bill Nye,

00:22:30.280 which is between

00:22:30.880 one and two

00:22:31.320 million views

00:22:32.000 from CNN

00:22:33.680 a few years

00:22:34.300 ago,

00:22:34.680 has now been

00:22:35.500 slimed,

00:22:36.420 so to speak.

00:22:37.280 It now has

00:22:38.240 this same

00:22:38.780 disclaimer.

00:22:40.080 Why?

00:22:40.840 They couldn't

00:22:41.320 let Bill Nye

00:22:41.960 speak for

00:22:42.380 himself,

00:22:42.880 but because

00:22:43.340 it features

00:22:43.920 me,

00:22:44.260 a skeptic.

00:22:44.840 Anything that

00:22:45.400 features anyone

00:22:46.860 who challenges

00:22:48.160 any part of

00:22:50.120 the climate

00:22:50.600 change narrative

00:22:51.420 put forth by

00:22:52.700 Al Gore and

00:22:53.960 the United

00:22:54.960 Nations will 0.94

00:22:55.620 now get this

00:22:56.600 YouTube

00:22:57.160 disclaimer,

00:22:58.680 explanation,

00:23:00.020 fact check,

00:23:00.920 if you will.

00:23:01.700 That's so

00:23:02.220 weird.

00:23:02.700 I mean,

00:23:03.000 the fact that

00:23:03.880 you were

00:23:04.180 debating Bill

00:23:05.000 Nye shows

00:23:05.780 that there

00:23:06.100 were two

00:23:06.460 sides of

00:23:07.000 the story

00:23:07.600 and Bill

00:23:08.460 Nye can

00:23:08.900 make his

00:23:09.320 case as

00:23:09.860 best as

00:23:10.240 he can

00:23:10.640 or if

00:23:10.900 he didn't

00:23:11.260 do well.

00:23:11.860 The fact

00:23:12.260 that YouTube

00:23:12.660 still came

00:23:13.580 in to

00:23:14.380 literally tilt

00:23:15.600 the scales,

00:23:16.740 to put their

00:23:17.160 finger on the

00:23:17.860 scale in a

00:23:19.320 debate is

00:23:20.080 crazy.

00:23:20.700 I know the

00:23:21.760 answer to

00:23:22.140 this,

00:23:22.340 but I'm

00:23:22.640 going to

00:23:22.760 ask you

00:23:23.100 anyways.

00:23:24.540 If they

00:23:25.160 put their

00:23:26.240 rebuttal under

00:23:27.580 Professor Richard

00:23:29.240 Lindzen,

00:23:30.080 like a

00:23:30.380 world-class

00:23:31.100 expert on

00:23:31.780 global warming,

00:23:32.980 who's a

00:23:33.840 skeptic,

00:23:34.520 do they put a

00:23:35.220 similar disclaimer

00:23:36.520 under the

00:23:37.300 pro-global

00:23:38.460 warming videos?

00:23:39.140 I mean,

00:23:39.360 I will

00:23:39.740 acknowledge that

00:23:40.940 there is a

00:23:41.400 debate about

00:23:42.280 the theory of

00:23:42.880 man-made global

00:23:43.460 warming,

00:23:44.040 that there is a

00:23:44.540 debate on what

00:23:45.260 to do about it,

00:23:45.960 if anything,

00:23:46.600 and how to do

00:23:47.340 it.

00:23:47.980 It's a

00:23:48.520 controversy,

00:23:49.260 which means

00:23:49.840 there's another

00:23:50.660 side of the

00:23:51.160 story.

00:23:51.460 I think I'm

00:23:52.260 right,

00:23:52.600 but I

00:23:52.860 acknowledge that

00:23:53.440 there's another

00:23:53.780 point of view.

00:23:54.740 Does Google at

00:23:55.600 least acknowledge

00:23:56.360 that there are

00:23:57.060 two points of view?

00:23:57.880 Are they even

00:24:00.960 handed in their

00:24:01.700 rebuttals,

00:24:02.180 or is this just

00:24:02.820 them weighing in

00:24:03.540 and saying,

00:24:03.940 nope,

00:24:04.900 if you're wrong,

00:24:06.340 we're going to

00:24:06.700 tell people he's

00:24:08.060 wrong?

00:24:10.460 Yeah,

00:24:10.980 no,

00:24:11.280 there's no even

00:24:12.320 hand in it.

00:24:13.180 In other words,

00:24:14.120 Al Gore,

00:24:15.420 John Kerry,

00:24:16.520 President Obama

00:24:17.460 are not going to

00:24:18.280 get these same

00:24:19.180 disclaimers at this

00:24:20.160 time.

00:24:20.560 You know why?

00:24:21.160 Because they agree

00:24:23.120 with the alleged

00:24:23.940 consensus.

00:24:24.980 They're not in

00:24:26.500 the wrong,

00:24:27.020 so YouTube

00:24:27.580 does not feel

00:24:28.280 the need to

00:24:28.860 put their

00:24:29.280 fact check up.

00:24:30.560 And by the

00:24:30.840 way,

00:24:31.680 the odd thing

00:24:32.520 about this

00:24:33.100 is YouTube,

00:24:34.320 whoever's behind

00:24:34.960 this policy at

00:24:35.820 YouTube,

00:24:36.240 you can just

00:24:36.580 imagine the

00:24:37.160 staff meeting,

00:24:38.040 they don't even

00:24:38.460 understand the

00:24:39.000 climate debate.

00:24:39.700 The actual

00:24:40.260 disclaimer that

00:24:41.120 they're putting

00:24:41.540 up,

00:24:41.940 sourcing

00:24:42.360 Wikipedia,

00:24:43.120 which by the

00:24:43.480 way,

00:24:43.660 Wikipedia's

00:24:44.340 climate change

00:24:45.000 pages change

00:24:46.460 about 100

00:24:46.900 times a day

00:24:47.660 between the

00:24:48.340 activists fighting

00:24:49.040 and just

00:24:49.400 constantly changing

00:24:50.160 stuff and

00:24:50.720 putting in

00:24:51.140 nonsense.

00:24:51.840 It's completely

00:24:53.200 the most

00:24:54.200 unreliable source

00:24:55.280 on climate you

00:24:55.960 can get,

00:24:56.280 number one.

00:24:56.680 And number

00:24:56.880 two,

00:24:57.780 the source,

00:24:58.660 the statement

00:24:59.280 that they're

00:24:59.660 actually issuing

00:25:00.480 to refute me,

00:25:02.100 Richard Lindzen,

00:25:02.840 any other skeptic

00:25:03.780 who dare question

00:25:04.700 it,

00:25:05.220 is that the

00:25:06.240 Earth has

00:25:07.400 warmed over the

00:25:08.340 last 100 plus

00:25:09.260 years or so.

00:25:10.060 And to their

00:25:10.840 mind,

00:25:11.240 a warming Earth

00:25:12.120 equals man-caused,

00:25:14.820 catastrophic,

00:25:15.880 and we must do

00:25:16.560 something about it.

00:25:17.580 And that to me

00:25:18.460 is shocking.

00:25:19.060 So their idea

00:25:19.840 of refuting a

00:25:20.580 skeptic is to

00:25:21.260 say the temperature's

00:25:22.400 gone up over 100

00:25:23.240 years.

00:25:23.560 And there's

00:25:23.940 not a single

00:25:24.340 skeptic who

00:25:25.280 will dispute

00:25:25.760 that because

00:25:26.280 of course our

00:25:27.440 temperatures have

00:25:28.020 warmed since

00:25:28.740 about 1850

00:25:29.680 when the end

00:25:30.140 of the Little

00:25:30.420 Ice Age.

00:25:30.940 So there's a

00:25:31.600 fundamental

00:25:32.020 misunderstanding of

00:25:33.320 the entire climate

00:25:34.540 debate, and then

00:25:35.760 there's an

00:25:36.060 outrageous source

00:25:37.020 of Wikipedia,

00:25:37.940 and then there's

00:25:38.500 the outrageous

00:25:38.880 selection process

00:25:40.000 of who they're

00:25:40.480 picking to give

00:25:42.320 this disclaimer

00:25:43.180 slash fact check

00:25:44.260 to.

00:25:44.900 Yeah.

00:25:45.160 And Wikipedia,

00:25:46.180 I mean, a lot of

00:25:46.600 people know what

00:25:47.200 Wikipedia is,

00:25:48.180 but just to

00:25:49.340 restate the

00:25:50.320 obvious, what's

00:25:51.620 so wonderful and

00:25:52.740 terrible about

00:25:53.580 Wikipedia is that

00:25:55.040 anyone in the

00:25:56.100 world can make an

00:25:57.180 edit on it.

00:25:58.240 Anyone can just

00:25:59.340 go and change

00:26:01.000 things.

00:26:01.440 Now, it could be

00:26:02.220 changed back and

00:26:03.060 there's sort of

00:26:03.520 battles, but it

00:26:05.320 literally is not

00:26:07.000 authoritative at all

00:26:09.240 because an infant,

00:26:13.320 a cat that is

00:26:15.580 typing on a

00:26:16.680 keyboard can change

00:26:18.340 Wikipedia because

00:26:19.580 that's just the

00:26:20.300 nature.

00:26:20.660 That's what makes

00:26:21.260 it so amazing is

00:26:22.180 you're tapping into

00:26:23.280 the aggregate wisdom

00:26:24.760 or folly of the

00:26:26.860 world.

00:26:27.320 It's not even that

00:26:28.420 they're relying on

00:26:29.180 some expert, some

00:26:30.300 Nobel Prize expert.

00:26:31.700 They're relying on

00:26:33.120 gossip, rumor.

00:26:35.380 It's as if someone

00:26:36.300 was going to the

00:26:36.980 YouTube comments

00:26:37.940 section, some

00:26:38.680 anonymous troll 0.66

00:26:39.440 said something. 0.62

00:26:40.400 That's what's so

00:26:41.200 laughable is to

00:26:42.300 rely on a

00:26:43.200 universally editable

00:26:45.080 source.

00:26:46.680 as some sort

00:26:47.400 of corrective

00:26:48.060 authority.

00:26:48.900 That's just 1.00

00:26:49.880 dumb. 0.99

00:26:52.100 It is, and it's 1.00

00:26:53.120 not just YouTube.

00:26:54.600 Facebook, I did a

00:26:56.160 video that's now

00:26:57.280 approaching 7 million

00:26:58.380 views.

00:26:59.020 And the Grist

00:27:00.280 magazine, the

00:27:01.100 video has gone

00:27:02.520 viral.

00:27:03.400 Media Matters for

00:27:04.160 America has now 0.60

00:27:04.820 said Facebook has a

00:27:06.840 climate denier

00:27:08.640 problem.

00:27:09.800 And they're using

00:27:10.420 my video of 6.5 million

00:27:12.900 views as a poster

00:27:13.940 child to go after

00:27:15.100 Mark Zuckerberg.

00:27:15.900 How are they going

00:27:16.740 after Mark Zuckerberg,

00:27:17.880 the founder of

00:27:18.460 Facebook?

00:27:19.400 Mark Zuckerberg is a

00:27:20.660 liberal.

00:27:21.240 Mark Zuckerberg

00:27:22.020 supports Al Gore,

00:27:23.600 the United Nations

00:27:24.320 climate view.

00:27:24.980 He's done and said

00:27:25.880 all the right things

00:27:26.620 about global warming.

00:27:27.620 His sin is he's 0.87

00:27:29.100 allowed climate

00:27:30.160 deniers to have

00:27:31.760 posts and videos

00:27:33.320 up on Facebook.

00:27:35.060 And they've

00:27:35.820 actually named

00:27:36.580 Mark Zuckerberg,

00:27:37.620 the Media Matters

00:27:39.220 for America,

00:27:39.840 funded by George

00:27:40.560 Soros, climate

00:27:41.800 misinformer of the

00:27:43.160 year for last

00:27:44.200 year for

00:27:44.800 allowing climate

00:27:45.860 skeptics to

00:27:46.680 appear on the

00:27:47.320 Facebook platform.

00:27:48.800 That is how

00:27:49.340 insane this is.

00:27:50.400 You can be a

00:27:50.940 climate activist in

00:27:52.580 good standing,

00:27:53.300 but if your

00:27:54.060 business model

00:27:54.860 allows for open

00:27:56.020 debate of any

00:27:56.840 kind, you are the

00:27:58.040 misinformer of the

00:27:58.920 year, which by the

00:27:59.500 way, I've won in

00:28:00.380 previous years.

00:28:01.780 And it's a big

00:28:02.420 deal.

00:28:02.860 Al Gore, when I won

00:28:03.600 the award, Al Gore

00:28:04.340 touted the award

00:28:05.360 that I won this

00:28:06.560 award.

00:28:06.940 It's supposed to be a

00:28:07.940 big dishonor.

00:28:08.780 Of course, I

00:28:09.340 welcomed it, but

00:28:10.260 they're going after

00:28:11.540 liberals are going

00:28:12.740 after liberals in

00:28:14.160 order to stop

00:28:14.920 Facebook.

00:28:15.540 So you have

00:28:15.780 YouTube and

00:28:16.380 Facebook now

00:28:17.240 shutting down

00:28:18.420 climate change.

00:28:19.880 You know what?

00:28:20.340 And that's, this is

00:28:21.120 the slippery slope

00:28:21.780 we talk about.

00:28:22.520 This is why we have

00:28:23.200 to fight for

00:28:23.640 freedom of speech

00:28:24.300 in the first

00:28:25.260 ditch, not the

00:28:25.900 last ditch.

00:28:26.520 You got to fight

00:28:27.420 for the Alex

00:28:28.540 Joneses of the 0.58

00:28:29.260 world because once

00:28:30.520 they take out

00:28:30.980 Alex Jones, next

00:28:31.880 is the Breitbards 0.97

00:28:32.780 of the world, the

00:28:33.400 rebels of the

00:28:33.900 world, and next

00:28:34.820 it's just even

00:28:35.560 literally PhDs in

00:28:37.680 climate science

00:28:39.220 like Richard

00:28:39.720 Lindzen, and it

00:28:40.840 wouldn't shock me

00:28:41.640 if ClimateDepot.com

00:28:43.740 one day were

00:28:44.720 just simply kicked

00:28:45.540 off of Facebook

00:28:46.340 because of left

00:28:47.480 wing pressure

00:28:47.940 groups.

00:28:48.720 Freedom of speech,

00:28:49.660 I think, is a

00:28:50.560 central issue of

00:28:51.360 our day, and I

00:28:52.460 believe that

00:28:53.080 deplatforming and

00:28:54.160 censorship has

00:28:54.820 actually become the

00:28:56.520 central value of

00:28:58.400 the progressive

00:28:58.980 left.

00:28:59.480 Mark, I hope you

00:29:00.100 fight back, and I

00:29:01.400 hope that others do

00:29:02.180 too, because they're

00:29:03.380 coming for you

00:29:03.860 today, they're

00:29:04.280 coming for the

00:29:04.760 rest of us

00:29:05.140 tomorrow.

00:29:05.420 Thank you, yeah,

00:29:08.000 and the thing is

00:29:08.640 they want to go

00:29:10.540 back to that era

00:29:11.560 of three network

00:29:12.580 TVs and PBS, and

00:29:14.400 that ended about

00:29:15.420 1995 officially,

00:29:17.400 really, with the

00:29:17.940 internet and all the

00:29:18.820 cable news and the

00:29:20.300 social media being

00:29:21.360 born a decade later.

00:29:23.000 They can't go back,

00:29:24.000 I don't think, but

00:29:24.700 they're going to do

00:29:25.120 everything they can.

00:29:26.360 I think there's too

00:29:27.100 many outlets, too

00:29:28.540 many sources, and if

00:29:29.800 YouTube does censor,

00:29:30.840 if Facebook does

00:29:31.620 censor, I think there

00:29:32.580 will be entrepreneurs

00:29:33.340 that come up and

00:29:34.540 start giving

00:29:35.100 alternatives.

00:29:35.820 I don't think the

00:29:36.380 people will stand

00:29:37.020 for it.

00:29:37.380 We're no longer

00:29:38.280 in the three-party

00:29:40.720 media, if you will,

00:29:42.040 of the three

00:29:42.380 networks.

00:29:42.840 We don't have to

00:29:43.540 tolerate this

00:29:44.200 anymore.

00:29:44.960 Well, I hope you're

00:29:45.520 right, as we've

00:29:46.100 talked about with

00:29:46.980 other guests in

00:29:47.740 recent days, it's

00:29:48.960 one thing to talk

00:29:49.640 about competition,

00:29:50.620 but as in the

00:29:52.340 case of standard

00:29:53.400 oil, sometimes it's

00:29:55.200 just impossible to

00:29:56.560 start a new

00:29:57.200 Facebook, start a

00:29:58.160 new oil refinery.

00:29:59.640 I don't know if

00:30:00.480 there's a role for

00:30:01.080 a trust buster like 1.00

00:30:02.840 Teddy Roosevelt.

00:30:03.440 We'll have to save

00:30:04.320 that conversation

00:30:05.040 for another day.

00:30:05.980 But thanks for

00:30:06.480 bringing this warning

00:30:07.160 with you today.

00:30:07.920 Great to see you

00:30:08.480 again, Mark.

00:30:11.080 Thank you, Ezra.

00:30:11.880 I appreciate it.

00:30:12.400 All right, there you

00:30:12.880 have it.

00:30:13.100 Mark Morano, he's

00:30:13.800 the boss of

00:30:14.300 ClimateDepot.com.

00:30:15.720 Very troubling that

00:30:16.820 YouTube would put in

00:30:18.260 their corporate

00:30:19.560 rebuttals, just slap

00:30:21.720 it on anything they

00:30:22.480 don't like, as if

00:30:23.980 some voice on high

00:30:25.140 was saying, don't

00:30:26.320 believe this.

00:30:27.080 I find that very

00:30:27.780 troubling, and I'm

00:30:28.760 absolutely certain our

00:30:30.420 rebel videos will be

00:30:32.040 tagged with that next.

00:30:32.780 Stay with us.

00:30:33.880 More ahead on the

00:30:34.360 rebel.

00:30:46.060 Welcome back.

00:30:46.780 Well, as you know, the

00:30:48.360 statue of John A.

00:30:49.400 MacDonald on the steps

00:30:50.400 of the City Hall in

00:30:52.220 Victoria will be taken

00:30:53.720 down.

00:30:54.180 No one less than the

00:30:54.880 mayor herself says it's

00:30:56.500 an important thing to do

00:30:58.320 in the name of

00:30:59.040 aboriginal reconciliation.

00:31:00.840 I only wonder when the

00:31:03.320 name of the city,

00:31:04.980 Victoria, will be

00:31:06.960 changed, of course,

00:31:07.940 named after the

00:31:08.840 queen.

00:31:09.220 And when you think

00:31:09.980 about it, British

00:31:11.080 Columbia is the name

00:31:13.400 of the entire

00:31:14.000 province, and we'd

00:31:15.260 better get rid of 0.99

00:31:15.960 that racist 0.88

00:31:17.080 obsolescence as well.

00:31:19.220 I'm only half

00:31:20.160 joking.

00:31:20.640 I think we are

00:31:21.220 denuding our country

00:31:22.660 of its history.

00:31:24.020 Joining me now to

00:31:24.580 talk about this is

00:31:25.680 our friend John

00:31:26.300 Gormley, who's the

00:31:27.600 host on Rolko Radio

00:31:29.040 in Saskatchewan, on

00:31:30.300 650 CKOM and

00:31:31.860 980 CJME.

00:31:33.780 John, great to see

00:31:34.360 you again.

00:31:34.600 Thanks for being on

00:31:35.080 the show.

00:31:36.120 Thank you, Ezra.

00:31:36.920 Good to see you.

00:31:37.780 You know, one of the

00:31:39.060 things that gets me

00:31:39.680 about this historical

00:31:40.580 destruction, it feels

00:31:44.100 Stalinist to wipe out 0.98

00:31:46.380 someone from history

00:31:47.300 like those erasing,

00:31:48.840 when Stalin would

00:31:49.820 erase someone from an 0.99

00:31:51.120 old photograph and

00:31:51.880 they had fallen out of

00:31:52.620 favor.

00:31:53.520 Whatever flaws in our

00:31:55.900 past, surely we

00:31:57.620 shouldn't wipe it

00:31:59.300 clean and not even

00:32:00.200 learn from it.

00:32:00.940 Surely everyone,

00:32:02.560 especially the founder

00:32:03.560 of our great country,

00:32:05.120 should be studied, not

00:32:06.700 un-person.

00:32:08.420 That's my thoughts.

00:32:09.220 What are yours?

00:32:10.600 Well, my thoughts are

00:32:11.400 exactly yours on this.

00:32:12.840 The doctrine of what

00:32:13.740 they call presentism is

00:32:15.700 really rearing its head

00:32:16.860 here.

00:32:17.420 And this is where we

00:32:18.260 take a snapshot today of

00:32:21.080 values, social mores,

00:32:23.100 even the law.

00:32:23.880 And so, through this

00:32:25.440 present lens, we look

00:32:27.180 back and then we go

00:32:28.740 look for things that

00:32:30.580 don't comport with our

00:32:32.360 values today.

00:32:33.480 Then, of course, if you

00:32:34.500 weigh in a whole bunch of

00:32:36.000 political correctness and

00:32:37.000 post-modernism, then we

00:32:38.700 can also get very

00:32:39.480 offended.

00:32:40.580 You know, the mayor in

00:32:41.260 Victoria, and you know

00:32:42.540 what she was up to,

00:32:43.380 because on her campaign

00:32:44.380 page, she's got a 0.97

00:32:46.660 snippet of Hansard, which

00:32:48.220 is the record of the

00:32:48.940 House of Commons, from

00:32:50.400 the 1880s, where

00:32:52.580 Johnny MacDonald goes

00:32:54.000 on at great length

00:32:55.000 about, you know, the

00:32:56.100 savages, referring to

00:32:57.480 indigenous people as

00:32:58.400 savages, which, again,

00:33:00.280 was not a term unused

00:33:02.100 by many people in the

00:33:04.000 19th century.

00:33:05.140 So, again, using this

00:33:06.720 presentism, it's pretty

00:33:08.620 easy to pick Johnny

00:33:10.040 MacDonald as low-hanging

00:33:11.600 fruit, because, of

00:33:12.900 course, he was the

00:33:13.440 architect of the failed

00:33:15.380 residential schools

00:33:16.340 program.

00:33:17.600 Yeah, you know what?

00:33:18.360 The use of language is

00:33:19.840 particularly interesting.

00:33:21.060 I mean, is it

00:33:23.320 African-American?

00:33:24.900 Is it Afro-American? 0.63

00:33:26.680 Is it person of

00:33:28.280 color?

00:33:28.700 Is it colored person?

00:33:29.860 All these fine

00:33:31.300 nuances, each one of

00:33:34.280 those names I've just

00:33:35.260 said there was

00:33:36.940 fashionable in its

00:33:37.800 time.

00:33:38.120 There's a great

00:33:38.740 charity called the

00:33:40.180 NAACP, National

00:33:42.340 Association for the

00:33:43.300 Advancement of

00:33:44.140 Colored People.

00:33:45.260 There's something

00:33:45.720 called the United

00:33:46.500 Negro College Fund.

00:33:48.860 Obviously, these are

00:33:50.160 pro-black organizations. 0.96

00:33:52.360 No one would look 0.70

00:33:53.040 back and say, you

00:33:53.820 said Negro, you 0.99

00:33:54.840 said colored, you're 1.00

00:33:56.340 racist. 0.95

00:33:56.760 They weren't racist

00:33:57.460 at all.

00:33:57.840 Those were, in fact,

00:33:58.840 considered modern and

00:34:00.980 positive phrases.

00:34:02.920 It's hard for us to

00:34:04.180 believe that the word

00:34:04.880 savage was anything

00:34:05.900 positive, although I

00:34:06.900 suppose it means wild

00:34:08.340 or untamed in some

00:34:09.580 meanings.

00:34:10.400 But Aboriginal,

00:34:12.060 indigenous, First

00:34:12.920 Nation, the law

00:34:14.440 itself is called the

00:34:15.260 Indian Act.

00:34:15.820 And if that's what

00:34:16.860 we're, this is what

00:34:17.940 really gets me, John,

00:34:18.700 I'd love your thoughts

00:34:19.260 on this.

00:34:19.940 If we're just being so

00:34:21.640 punctilious, well, you

00:34:22.940 said Aboriginal instead 0.76

00:34:24.960 of indigenous, aren't we

00:34:26.580 really ignoring the

00:34:27.680 problem, which is you

00:34:28.740 can use whatever fancy

00:34:30.220 phrase you like, but

00:34:32.140 unless you're dealing

00:34:32.820 with Aboriginal

00:34:33.420 unemployment, social

00:34:35.320 dysfunction, alcoholism,

00:34:37.140 crime, the real things

00:34:38.380 that actually hurt real

00:34:39.620 Aboriginal people, you 1.00

00:34:41.460 can use whatever fancy

00:34:42.620 phrase you want, and

00:34:43.540 it's all showboating.

00:34:44.560 It is, and in an odd

00:34:47.860 way, you know, if it's

00:34:49.080 showboating and virtue

00:34:50.220 signaling, the beauty

00:34:52.160 of presentism, of

00:34:53.840 course, is everybody

00:34:54.680 you're going after is

00:34:56.640 dead.

00:34:57.420 So it's particularly

00:34:59.000 easy because, of

00:35:00.220 course, you know, one

00:35:01.220 of the value sets of

00:35:02.340 this kind of thinking

00:35:03.140 isn't generally

00:35:04.620 typified by a great

00:35:06.200 deal of courage in any

00:35:07.260 event.

00:35:07.900 You know, usually it's

00:35:08.600 anonymous cowardice,

00:35:10.400 but my goodness, to go

00:35:11.860 after dead people, what

00:35:13.540 you're doing with John

00:35:14.440 Amy McDonald, interesting

00:35:16.120 story, very much along the

00:35:17.360 same line, out of

00:35:18.620 Liverpool.

00:35:19.980 And Liverpool, which, of

00:35:21.740 course, great port city in

00:35:22.980 Britain, shipped things in

00:35:25.420 and out for centuries, and

00:35:27.900 most of the famous streets

00:35:29.060 in Liverpool are named

00:35:30.440 after the shipping barons and

00:35:32.780 magnates, and slaves were

00:35:36.200 routinely, you know, 200

00:35:37.740 years ago, shipped in and out

00:35:39.240 of Liverpool.

00:35:39.660 And one of the shipping

00:35:41.440 magnates, of course, was a

00:35:43.300 virulent anti-abolitionist

00:35:45.340 pro-slave trader named James

00:35:47.760 Penny, after whom Penny Lane

00:35:51.140 is named.

00:35:52.340 So as they've been redoing

00:35:54.000 these, Penny Lane was 0.86

00:35:55.260 actually on the list, and then

00:35:56.260 they realized, you know, there

00:35:57.640 were those four kids from

00:35:58.840 Liverpool, maybe you heard of

00:36:00.400 them, the Beatles.

00:36:00.860 So they've left Penny Lane

00:36:02.480 alone.

00:36:02.980 But this is the lengths to

00:36:04.720 which this exercise is carried

00:36:06.300 out.

00:36:06.680 And you're absolutely right.

00:36:07.980 It's not just going back and

00:36:09.420 applying the values.

00:36:11.540 It's avoiding today's real

00:36:14.360 issues by spending this much

00:36:15.740 time on those.

00:36:17.100 You know, one of my favorite

00:36:18.880 interviews I've ever done in my

00:36:20.140 life was a big hour-long sit

00:36:22.540 down with Chief Clarence Louis of

00:36:25.000 the Soyuz Indian Band.

00:36:27.180 Very entrepreneurial, completely

00:36:29.040 employment and economic

00:36:30.800 development oriented.

00:36:32.540 And he has tough talk.

00:36:33.660 He's politically incorrect.

00:36:35.680 But he's got very low

00:36:37.740 unemployment, very low substance

00:36:39.940 abuse on his reserve.

00:36:40.940 In fact, white folks come onto 0.87

00:36:43.120 the reserve to work.

00:36:44.100 There's so much industry there.

00:36:45.880 One of my favorite things about

00:36:47.180 Chief Louis, and I don't know if

00:36:48.660 you've had the pleasure of

00:36:49.560 meeting him, John, is he wears

00:36:52.040 all his gear, his Indian brand.

00:36:55.940 He's got an Indian brand

00:36:58.540 motorcycle jacket.

00:37:00.200 You know, he's like, he loves

00:37:01.260 the word Indian.

00:37:03.160 And my point is, and why do I

00:37:05.500 mention that?

00:37:06.820 Because I've never heard a real

00:37:08.980 Indian who cares about jobs or 1.00

00:37:11.260 work or helping his people.

00:37:12.640 Never in my life have I heard a

00:37:15.260 real Aboriginal person say, you 0.56

00:37:17.200 know what makes me mad?

00:37:19.180 You know what holds us back?

00:37:21.340 That John A.

00:37:22.280 McDonald and the statue.

00:37:23.380 Like, I've never in my life heard

00:37:25.960 a real Aboriginal person put that

00:37:28.260 on a list of problems, grievances,

00:37:31.120 let alone, you know, I mean, my

00:37:32.600 point about Clarence Louis is he's

00:37:34.200 not fussed about Indian,

00:37:35.840 Aboriginal, Indigenous.

00:37:37.500 I don't think real people care.

00:37:39.640 I think this is mainly white, 0.78

00:37:41.920 liberal showboats. 0.75

00:37:43.080 There is a lot of that.

00:37:45.580 But there's also within the

00:37:47.480 Indigenous community an exceedingly

00:37:50.420 activist core now.

00:37:52.820 And they work very closely with the

00:37:56.040 aforementioned, you know, white law

00:37:57.960 professors and white activists of

00:37:59.980 various sorts.

00:38:00.960 But it's very much now become the

00:38:04.200 issue.

00:38:04.880 I mean, you know, here in the

00:38:06.620 heartland of Canada on the prairies,

00:38:08.000 the number of times the word

00:38:09.940 colonizer, settler, colonialist,

00:38:13.540 this is the kind of language is

00:38:15.060 thrown around a great deal.

00:38:16.300 And you're right, not by anybody in

00:38:18.960 the Aboriginal community who's getting 0.99

00:38:21.020 on with doing positive stuff.

00:38:23.260 But it's part of and I find it

00:38:25.700 fascinating that in the truth and

00:38:26.860 reconciliation movement, when we set

00:38:29.460 up the TRC, as it was called years

00:38:32.400 ago, it was modeled on South Africa.

00:38:34.420 And one of the fundamental parts of

00:38:37.960 being able to reconcile was, first of

00:38:40.200 all, telling the truth.

00:38:41.580 Yeah.

00:38:41.820 But then moving through an acceptance

00:38:44.160 of forgiveness and a moving ahead.

00:38:47.420 Right.

00:38:47.800 And I think, for example, your model in

00:38:50.840 Victoria, this mayor is doing this for

00:38:53.840 reconciliation.

00:38:54.980 So help me understand how we reconcile

00:38:57.800 to build ahead and bigger by going back

00:39:01.180 to debates in the 1860s and removing

00:39:04.100 someone's statue.

00:39:05.060 So I think we've got to get a little

00:39:06.780 bit of work done on where the role of

00:39:09.400 the past is as we help it define our

00:39:12.080 future.

00:39:12.660 Yeah.

00:39:12.900 You know, I really appreciate you

00:39:14.800 telling and reminding me that there is

00:39:17.520 a core of radical activists within the

00:39:19.380 Aboriginal community.

00:39:20.060 I would imagine the vast majority of

00:39:22.680 them are subsidized in some way by tax

00:39:25.660 money, by academia or as I guess Tom

00:39:30.260 Flanagan and others would say the

00:39:31.640 Indian industry, which is largely white,

00:39:33.600 of course.

00:39:34.560 And it reminds me of Black Lives Matter. 0.57

00:39:36.700 I mean, I think most normal African

00:39:39.500 Americans, you know, they have economic

00:39:41.720 challenges, too.

00:39:42.540 They have lower economic success.

00:39:44.300 So jobs is the main thing.

00:39:46.760 And, you know, they have family, you know,

00:39:49.280 there's prison reform issues and drug

00:39:52.220 issues and the like.

00:39:53.900 To be obsessed with race, I think, is not

00:39:58.460 a true economic solution.

00:39:59.720 And it separates.

00:40:00.820 I think the whole Black Lives Matter

00:40:02.740 movement in America pulled the races

00:40:06.180 further apart and all closer together.

00:40:08.380 And I sense that some of this extremism

00:40:10.820 has the same purpose.

00:40:12.740 It's identity politics to make us classify

00:40:15.500 ourselves as white or Aboriginal or whatever

00:40:19.620 instead of just Canadian.

00:40:20.920 I think it's actually the opposite of

00:40:23.680 reconciliation.

00:40:24.160 John, my theory is it is about dividing us

00:40:27.500 and then making us see ourselves as racial

00:40:30.320 tokens rather than just friends and

00:40:32.460 neighbours.

00:40:32.780 I don't think that's I don't think that's off

00:40:36.280 the mark at all.

00:40:37.160 And, you know, again, I distinguish, as you

00:40:40.460 do, I think, from the people who are on the

00:40:43.400 front lines getting things done.

00:40:45.680 You know, a province like ours in Saskatchewan

00:40:47.520 is in this respect important because we have the

00:40:50.620 highest percentage of Indigenous population.

00:40:53.560 It's about 17 percent.

00:40:55.280 There are amazing success stories, university

00:40:59.120 enrollment rates, high school completion rates.

00:41:01.280 Everything's changing, but still the outcomes

00:41:04.680 today because of substance abuse, family

00:41:07.260 dysfunction and a lot of that, yes, traceable

00:41:10.020 back to residential schools.

00:41:11.840 So the important exercise and the Truth and

00:41:14.420 Reconciliation Commission was telling the

00:41:16.680 truth, getting the answers, facing the really

00:41:19.560 harsh realities.

00:41:20.900 But for the average person in the Indigenous

00:41:23.440 community today, most of them live in the city

00:41:26.260 because, again, the reserves are very difficult

00:41:29.260 places to have economic activity and jobs.

00:41:32.360 But the average Indigenous person today is looking at

00:41:36.900 a whole bunch of issues and it's not based on my

00:41:40.420 place because of race.

00:41:42.260 The people, I think, who are doing the wedge issue in

00:41:45.140 the identity politics, there's a bigger game at play

00:41:48.380 here and it's not moving the great robust community, which

00:41:53.440 is Indigenous people, non-Indigenous people, not

00:41:55.540 moving that community ahead.

00:41:56.980 Yes, I'm worried that it's also going to burn up goodwill

00:42:01.380 in otherwise sympathetic old stock white Canadians, for want

00:42:06.300 of a better phrase.

00:42:07.060 I think that there is a lot of goodwill in Canada towards

00:42:09.660 Aboriginal people, some of the issues you've just raised.

00:42:11.800 And I think if these gratuitous swipes at John A.

00:42:16.000 Macdonald or other symbols, they don't move Aboriginal 1.00

00:42:18.380 people ahead, but they make the rest of the community a

00:42:22.260 little bit, it's rough and it's not, it's the opposite of

00:42:27.660 reconciliation.

00:42:28.180 It's almost like a vengeance.

00:42:30.020 I don't think it's moving anyone forward.

00:42:32.820 Last word to you, John.

00:42:34.880 You've got to speak to people's hearts.

00:42:36.820 You've got to speak to what brings us together into a

00:42:39.040 virtuous circle and I think there is, there's a fatigue with

00:42:44.120 a lot of activism, not just racially based activism, but

00:42:47.420 activism in general.

00:42:48.600 So, I think you've got to see past and see through that

00:42:52.020 because it's frankly not worth the time to slow dynamic

00:42:56.400 people down and the whole issue is how do we move ahead?

00:42:59.380 Yeah, right on.

00:43:00.360 Well, John, I know you cover this well because as you say,

00:43:02.420 Saskatchewan and your neighbour province, Manitoba, these

00:43:06.020 are very real practical matters as opposed to places

00:43:08.980 like Toronto where the Aboriginal population is not as

00:43:12.740 significant.

00:43:14.160 Great to see you again, my friend.

00:43:15.100 Thanks for spending the time with us.

00:43:17.120 Always.

00:43:17.620 Thank you, Ezra.

00:43:18.180 All right, there you have it.

00:43:19.040 John Gormley, he's with Rolko Radio.

00:43:21.420 He's the star of Saskatchewan and those of us outside

00:43:24.540 Saskatchewan who get his wisdom from time to time via Skype

00:43:27.540 as we did today.

00:43:28.820 Stay with us.

00:43:29.620 More ahead on The Rebel.

00:43:30.620 Hey, welcome back.

00:43:42.220 On my monologue yesterday about the city of Victoria wanting

00:43:44.700 to remove a statue of Sir John A. Macdonald instead of working

00:43:47.840 on real Aboriginal issues, Don writes,

00:43:49.660 John A. Macdonald was a visionary who imagined and consequently

00:43:53.580 engineered one of the finest countries on the planet.

00:43:56.420 He also had the practical will and the backbone to order and

00:43:59.280 oversee the building of the Canadian Pacific Railway, which tied

00:44:02.140 it all together.

00:44:03.140 The over-indoctrinated and profoundly under-informed Lilliputians 1.00

00:44:07.420 who would presume to reduce this great man to a mere racist

00:44:10.180 neither understand the meaning of the word, the context of the time,

00:44:13.800 nor, most importantly, the content of their own souls.

00:44:16.580 There's a lot in there, Don.

00:44:20.720 But yeah, I think it also goes to the fact that we aren't taught

00:44:23.220 our own history, are we?

00:44:25.860 Bruce writes, Victoria's leftists figure they can de-person

00:44:29.860 historical figures in some sort of memory hole, and like

00:44:32.820 communist dictatorships, statues keep getting replaced

00:44:35.000 according to who is in power.

00:44:38.080 That's exactly right.

00:44:39.180 It's terrifying.

00:44:39.980 You know, there's this authoritarian streak.

00:44:41.720 I've studied Mao Zedong a little bit.

00:44:44.040 He had such terrifying ideas.

00:44:46.800 You know, he wanted to replace people's names with numbers.

00:44:50.220 Can you believe that?

00:44:51.720 That's so diabolical.

00:44:54.400 He wanted to raise everything to the ground, to start everything

00:44:58.000 at year zero.

00:44:59.020 That's that same instinct we see even here in Canada.

00:45:02.840 Susan writes, how do you judge history by current standards and

00:45:05.320 continue to make our nation great?

00:45:07.180 It just doesn't work.

00:45:08.480 Enough of the apologies and rewriting of history.

00:45:10.760 Read it, learn, and move forward in a well-educated manner.

00:45:14.040 Yeah, and, you know, as I tried to say, every single continent on the

00:45:19.600 earth has had violence, has had slavery.

00:45:25.080 We know this.

00:45:26.300 You can sort of think slowly and calmly about it and remember and know

00:45:29.940 and realize that there were slaving aboriginal tribes in North America

00:45:35.200 when Cortez and Diaz landed with the conquistadors in Central America.

00:45:39.520 They were in a massive war, various empires at the time.

00:45:45.440 The idea that Canadian society or Western society is this evil place of

00:45:52.080 slavery is the exact opposite.

00:45:53.520 In fact, it was really the first place to rebel and outlaw slavery.

00:45:58.020 And you could say that the U.S. Civil War was a couple hundred thousand

00:46:03.500 Northern Americans deciding to lay down their lives to end, in part, slavery.

00:46:08.260 That was what the Civil War was about, in part.

00:46:11.260 I don't know any other country that has sacrificed hundreds of thousands of its own

00:46:15.580 citizens to end slavery.

00:46:18.820 But that's the West.

00:46:19.660 Yeah, there are things in the West from our history that we can learn from.

00:46:23.800 But to condemn the West, well, that's disproportionate.

00:46:27.800 And I think it's ahistorical.

00:46:30.640 Well, that's our show for today until Monday.

00:46:33.860 On behalf of all of us here at Rubble World Headquarters, good night.

00:46:37.160 And keep fighting for freedom.

00:46:38.400 We'll be right back.

Rebel News Podcast - August 11, 2018

A training camp for school shooters is discovered in New Mexico — and the Media Party covers it up

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