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A soldier from the British Army was fired for standing next to someone and smiling. That just happened to a soldier from The Rebel. It s October 10, 2019, and you re watching The Ezra Levant Show on the Ezra Levant Podcast.


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00:00:00.000 Tonight, imagine being fired for standing next to someone and smiling.
00:00:04.520 That just happened to a soldier from the British Army.
00:00:07.640 It's October 10, and you're watching The Ezra Levant Show.
00:00:15.980 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
00:00:19.780 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
00:00:23.520 You come here once a year with a sign, and you feel morally superior.
00:00:26.500 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my
00:00:31.520 bloody right to do so.
00:00:37.140 How bad is deplatforming these days?
00:00:40.680 You know what I mean?
00:00:41.640 Leftists getting you kicked off of Facebook for having the wrong ideas, getting speakers
00:00:45.680 banned from conferences, getting people fired from jobs, even riots like this one to stop
00:00:51.040 a Republican speaker at University of California, Berkeley.
00:00:54.540 Formerly the most free speech-oriented place in the world, really, now a place where they
00:00:59.460 riot, deplatforming, taking away the platform.
00:01:02.620 It happens all the time.
00:01:03.800 It's the chief tactic of the left over the past few years.
00:01:07.960 It's easier for them to scream at people or even punch people rather than to persuade people.
00:01:12.680 That would require knowledge and facts and arguments.
00:01:15.860 And actually, a big part of debating is listening when you think about it.
00:01:18.820 And the left doesn't do that these days.
00:01:22.640 And the screaming and the threats have a strategic effect, too.
00:01:27.260 It not only damages the person it aims at right then and there, but it scares everyone else,
00:01:33.700 either into submission or into actually joining with the mob.
00:01:37.620 That's how it works when the media calls up conservative politicians to demand they disavow
00:01:43.240 someone.
00:01:43.960 It's really a way for the media to control politicians.
00:01:46.000 We've seen that even here in Canada.
00:01:47.740 When the state broadcaster asks conservatives about us here at The Rebel, it's not a real question.
00:01:53.180 No one who watches the CBC cares about that.
00:01:56.300 It's the CBC's own way of saying, hey, Mr. Conservative politician, are you a real right-winger?
00:02:02.620 Or are you a gentle, CBC-friendly conservative?
00:02:05.480 This is the litmus test.
00:02:06.760 And if you don't answer me right, we're going to call you racist.
00:02:09.300 That's Wendy Mesley's signature move.
00:02:11.840 It's Paul Wells' signature move.
00:02:13.920 It worked on Andrew Scheer and Jason Kenney.
00:02:15.700 It didn't work on Maxime Bernier.
00:02:17.600 Remember this?
00:02:18.660 Rebel Media, for example, does seem to be fond of you.
00:02:22.220 It's been accused, of course, of being supportive of white supremacist views.
00:02:25.980 Ezra Levant, they have a million subscribers on YouTube, 150,000 followers on Facebook.
00:02:34.440 Do you want his support?
00:02:36.620 Do you want his audience?
00:02:40.060 That's deplatforming, isn't it?
00:02:41.860 That's marginalizing.
00:02:42.920 Well, here is a deplatforming story of the likes I have never seen before.
00:02:47.520 And it regards our former U.K. reporter, Tommy Robinson.
00:02:51.240 Tommy was just pulled over.
00:02:52.320 He had just pulled over.
00:02:53.300 He was driving on the highway.
00:02:54.840 He just pulled over at a highway rest stop.
00:02:56.480 You know, it's got the gas station and some fast food restaurants.
00:02:59.320 Just pulled over at the same time as four busloads of young British soldiers did, too.
00:03:05.200 Now, Tommy's a fairly well-known figure in the U.K. now, and he loves the military.
00:03:10.860 It's actually what got him involved in activism in the first place.
00:03:13.820 He saw British soldiers coming back from Afghanistan, and they were being treated with gross disrespect by Muslim extremists in the U.K.
00:03:21.200 And even after Tommy started doing reporting for us, he loved the troops.
00:03:26.040 Remember when we crowdfunded this high-tech wheelchair for a veteran who had been overlooked by the Ministry of Defense over there?
00:03:32.320 And remember, we helped this Navy vet, Chris Eade was his name, get a proper pension.
00:03:38.420 So Tommy loves the troops.
00:03:39.640 That's what he does.
00:03:40.560 He just does all these little projects.
00:03:42.860 And the troops love Tommy in return.
00:03:44.640 So this is how it went at the truck stop on the highway in the United Kingdom.
00:03:50.160 The most honourable morning I've ever had, anyway.
00:03:52.140 So no big deal.
00:04:07.780 Friendly selfies.
00:04:09.020 No politics were discussed, really.
00:04:10.540 These were just young lads.
00:04:12.280 Junior soldiers, I don't know if that's the phrase.
00:04:14.020 I think they're more than cadets.
00:04:15.400 They're just young soldiers.
00:04:16.760 Probably most of them in their late teens.
00:04:18.600 So they wouldn't even probably even have a deep knowledge of Tommy's whole political career dating back a decade.
00:04:24.760 I bet they know him more from our YouTube videos and from his Facebook page.
00:04:28.440 Something he's only really been doing in earnest for a couple of years.
00:04:33.060 So Tommy's a citizen journalist who loves soldiers and stands for British values as opposed to Sharia values.
00:04:39.420 That sounds good to me.
00:04:40.220 Sounds good to those soldiers.
00:04:41.620 Of course they want to selfie with him because Tommy's like them.
00:04:44.480 He comes from a patriotic British working class background.
00:04:46.780 Tommy stands up for the forgotten Britain, what in America would be called flyover country or the rust belt.
00:04:53.420 You know, people who the British singer Morrissey would sadly call nobody's nothings in the eyes of the fancy people.
00:04:59.940 So yeah, these working class Brits love the last vocal patriot in the British public swear.
00:05:05.980 And so as surely as day follows night, people who don't like Tommy Robinson and don't like the military and don't like working class Brits, well, they freaked out.
00:05:17.540 But about what did they freak out?
00:05:20.420 Did these troops say something political?
00:05:23.400 Did they do something political?
00:05:25.620 Did they endorse a candidate in an election?
00:05:28.040 I mean, just brainstorming here.
00:05:29.580 Or did they, oh, I don't know, stand next to the flag of a banned terrorist group called Hezbollah and give an approving speech?
00:05:38.140 No, no, that would be Jeremy Corbyn, the head of the Labour Party and possibly the next prime minister over there.
00:05:43.920 Did these lads do that?
00:05:45.180 Did these young soldiers do that?
00:05:46.220 No, they did not.
00:05:47.000 Did they themselves say anything, in fact, other than a few complimentary greetings and chanting his name briefly?
00:05:52.180 They posted some of these photos to their own private Facebook pages.
00:05:56.600 I'm sure a few of them were public Facebook pages.
00:05:59.120 But did they do anything wrong?
00:06:01.320 Did they even say anything wrong?
00:06:04.300 Well, you bet they did.
00:06:06.340 So says the Muslim imam for the British Armed Forces.
00:06:10.100 There is such a thing, I'll have you know.
00:06:12.380 And in fact, before any investigation of these men was even complete, they had been judged.
00:06:17.700 I don't know, maybe that's how it works in Sharia law.
00:06:19.680 Because it was a Muslim imam issuing this edict, not some military panel or some court of law.
00:06:26.840 Here's the Guardian newspaper.
00:06:30.200 Imam Asim Hafiz, an Islamic religious advisor to the Armed Forces, said,
00:06:36.100 Any form of racism, discrimination or extremism is taken extremely seriously and will be dealt with accordingly.
00:06:41.960 The Armed Forces remain absolutely committed to welcoming individuals from across all faiths and cultures to its ranks.
00:06:49.680 Did you know that the British Army had a Muslim religious advisor?
00:06:53.900 Now you know.
00:06:55.240 And apparently he has the power.
00:06:57.520 I don't know.
00:06:57.980 Did he?
00:06:58.460 Was he the one who kicked out recruits?
00:07:00.280 For standing next to someone at a truck stop?
00:07:04.120 Oh, and for the racism, discrimination and extremism.
00:07:07.720 Can you please tell me?
00:07:09.280 Or could the Guardian or could Imam Hafiz?
00:07:11.640 Please, what discrimination did those soldiers do there?
00:07:15.400 What extremism did they do there?
00:07:17.100 What racism did they do there?
00:07:20.160 By the way, as I think I've told you when I first met Tommy in person a couple years ago,
00:07:24.760 he was accompanied by his best friend since childhood.
00:07:27.860 Who just happens to be a black man?
00:07:30.860 Tommy is constantly working with Sikhs in Britain who are also concerned about similar issues.
00:07:36.720 So, not sure where the racism is.
00:07:39.660 I think Tommy has more visible minority friends than any white liberal at the Guardian.
00:07:44.600 But I'd never stopped the Guardian's insults before.
00:07:47.600 Look, this wasn't the rule of law.
00:07:50.880 This wasn't the rule of court, even a military court.
00:07:53.200 This wasn't an actual offense or an actual problem.
00:07:55.680 This was a political complaint, a deplatforming.
00:07:59.920 In fact, look at the next sentence in that same Guardian story.
00:08:02.160 They say,
00:08:32.160 Now, I've watched a lot of Tommy's videos over the last year and a half.
00:08:36.560 I don't think I've ever seen him claim to represent the army at all, ever.
00:08:40.220 In fact, he's pretty careful about that.
00:08:42.540 He said he was honored to meet those young troops.
00:08:46.260 And the Muslim Council, they didn't talk about Islam.
00:08:49.460 They didn't talk about Muslims.
00:08:51.040 The Muslim Council of the UK did.
00:08:53.000 But by mentioning what Muslim soldiers in the two world wars did,
00:08:57.460 that's interesting.
00:08:58.460 But it's maybe not something the Muslim Council wants to raise.
00:09:01.680 Here's a story in Germany's Deutsche Welle called
00:09:05.300 How Nazis Courted the Islamic World During World War II.
00:09:09.900 Tens of thousands of Muslims fought for the Nazis in World War II.
00:09:14.600 Deutsche Welle spoke with historian David Motedel
00:09:16.860 about whether pragmatism or anti-Semitism
00:09:19.300 drove Adolf Hitler's overtures and why some Muslim leaders backed him.
00:09:23.000 Yeah, I don't think the Muslim Council wants to talk about that.
00:09:26.940 You know, the Palestinians back then?
00:09:28.780 Well, there was something called the Palestine Brigade.
00:09:31.740 But those were the Jews living in Palestine in the Holy Land.
00:09:36.200 They went to fight with the British against Hitler.
00:09:39.820 But nice distraction there, Muslim Council.
00:09:42.060 But back to Tommy.
00:09:42.960 What did he do wrong at the truck stop?
00:09:45.380 What did the soldiers do wrong at the truck stop?
00:09:48.640 Well, nothing.
00:09:50.520 They can't really de-platform Tommy any more than they have done.
00:09:53.780 I mean, he was sent to prison for 13 months for doing a video outside a court.
00:09:58.160 Not sure what you can do on top of that.
00:10:00.840 But the young lads who took their photos with Tommy,
00:10:03.580 who dared to say,
00:10:04.300 Well, they were immediately investigated.
00:10:09.480 Their own personal cell phones were seized by their commanding officers,
00:10:13.660 and they were told to unlock them.
00:10:15.200 And they were searched for any traces of pro-Tommy sentiment,
00:10:18.720 even in private messages,
00:10:20.080 as in saying you like the guy in private on your own Facebook page,
00:10:25.120 or maybe in a text to a friend.
00:10:26.900 Apparently that is the new test for being a racist.
00:10:30.200 If you told your friend that you met Tommy Robinson at a truck stop,
00:10:35.060 or even if you don't really know who Tommy Robinson is,
00:10:37.680 but you maybe heard his name,
00:10:39.060 maybe, and maybe you've seen a video of him,
00:10:40.640 and look, everyone else in your group is posing for a selfie with him,
00:10:43.580 and you thought you'd do so too,
00:10:44.640 because you're a cohesive group of lads.
00:10:47.560 Well, obviously, you're engaging in Islamophobic discrimination.
00:10:51.220 And you know the Muslim Council of the UK is a good group of guys
00:10:54.320 with really sound judgment that the people in the British Army
00:10:57.960 should totally listen to.
00:10:58.800 I mean, until just a few years ago,
00:11:00.200 the Muslim Council of the UK literally boycotted Holocaust Memorial Day.
00:11:06.540 They were against it.
00:11:08.420 Now, I don't know if they simply deny that the Holocaust happened,
00:11:11.620 or frankly, if they supported the Holocaust,
00:11:15.000 but they boycotted Holocaust Memorial Day.
00:11:18.380 Here's the same Guardian newspaper
00:11:20.020 that's so concerned about selfies with Tommy.
00:11:22.260 They actually ran an op-ed
00:11:23.740 when the Muslim Council finally changed its mind and said,
00:11:27.100 all right, fine.
00:11:28.720 Whoa, I admit the Holocaust existed.
00:11:31.720 The Guardian actually wrote, published this op-ed
00:11:34.020 saying that the Muslim Council had gone soft.
00:11:36.700 So that's the Guardian newspaper.
00:11:40.220 That's one of the media outlets judging Tommy and these soldiers.
00:11:44.520 Let me show you that this isn't a conspiracy theory.
00:11:47.680 I'm not drawing lines or seeing ghosts where there aren't them.
00:11:52.280 The British Army really is under the direction of imams and pressure groups.
00:11:55.720 Look at this tweet.
00:11:57.240 Now, I saw this tweet myself when it was posted,
00:12:00.120 but it was soon deleted.
00:12:02.940 It's from the official British Army account.
00:12:04.800 And let me read it to you.
00:12:05.420 It says,
00:12:05.680 The British Army is proud to be diverse and inclusive.
00:12:09.900 Today, 7th Infantry Brigade, based in the West Midlands,
00:12:12.980 is hosting a retreat for Muslim imams at Amport House,
00:12:16.040 the home of army chaplaincy.
00:12:17.760 The group is studying the role of Muslim chaplaincy in the army.
00:12:21.480 And I'm not sure if you can make it out at the bottom,
00:12:23.320 but there is a photo of about a dozen Muslim imams.
00:12:27.720 Did you know that's going on?
00:12:30.640 You doubt it's going on here in Canada, too.
00:12:32.940 Well, now you know it's going on in the British Army.
00:12:36.820 But I love that line,
00:12:37.680 proud to be diverse and inclusive.
00:12:39.720 Yeah, there weren't any women in that picture,
00:12:42.980 if you didn't notice.
00:12:44.080 Because that kind of diversity ain't allowed.
00:12:47.060 They're not so friendly to gays either.
00:12:49.620 But really, as usual,
00:12:50.680 when leftists say they're inclusive and diverse,
00:12:52.580 they just don't mean inclusive and diverse to other points of view.
00:12:56.360 Such as, I don't know,
00:12:58.300 towards Tommy Robinson's style of patriotism of British values.
00:13:01.060 Sometimes that's not included in their inclusion.
00:13:04.660 Liberals always claim to be so open-minded to other points of view,
00:13:06.900 but then they are shocked when other people actually have other points of view.
00:13:10.420 These Muslim imams are welcome,
00:13:12.200 but the other point of view, well, put it this way,
00:13:14.380 a Facebook picture of Tommy Robinson
00:13:16.280 is now enough to get you fired from your career.
00:13:21.220 Now, do you think any soldier would be fired for posing
00:13:23.220 in a selfie with a Muslim imam
00:13:25.540 who has a reactionary point of view?
00:13:28.260 It was actually extreme and discriminatory,
00:13:30.800 to use the words of the army imam.
00:13:32.740 Well, look at this.
00:13:33.480 Here's a picture of a few British police,
00:13:35.620 not soldiers, I grant you, but police,
00:13:37.960 giving a salute with a Muslim man
00:13:40.360 who has taught them a friendly hand gesture,
00:13:43.700 raising the index finger.
00:13:44.960 That's so friendly.
00:13:45.920 It's not like our middle finger,
00:13:47.380 which is a bad symbol.
00:13:48.520 Well, this just means one.
00:13:50.320 It's the, oh, it's the symbol of Muslim extremism.
00:13:54.380 It's an ISIS salute.
00:13:55.260 It's a symbol of unity.
00:13:57.220 It's a repudiation of Christianity's concept of the Trinity of God.
00:14:00.580 It's what Muslim terrorists show other fundamentalists.
00:14:05.220 They go like this.
00:14:06.500 That's the symbol.
00:14:08.900 Pretty sure those cops weren't fired.
00:14:11.040 I bet, in fact, they got some attaboys from the chief.
00:14:13.460 And I think it's probably true
00:14:15.260 that they didn't even know what they were doing
00:14:16.700 when they went like this.
00:14:17.580 But you see the tilt here.
00:14:21.020 Look at how far it's tilted.
00:14:23.800 I'm about to show you a recruiting video
00:14:25.660 from the British Army.
00:14:26.840 I'm going to show the whole thing.
00:14:27.860 It's only 40 seconds.
00:14:29.200 Take a look.
00:14:29.640 Take a look.
00:14:47.580 That's a real ad for the British Army.
00:15:12.080 Imagine that.
00:15:13.800 You're out on patrol in Afghanistan.
00:15:15.700 I don't know where those mountains were.
00:15:16.880 Probably in Afghanistan.
00:15:18.900 But your whole squad will now stop to accommodate five prayers a day.
00:15:25.440 And you can take your boots off.
00:15:26.660 You can take your helmet off.
00:15:28.060 And you saw that other guy mute the radio call.
00:15:30.960 Shh.
00:15:31.440 Tell the general.
00:15:32.540 He's got to wait.
00:15:33.640 It's prayer time.
00:15:35.980 Look, there's an important Muslim prayer that takes precedence.
00:15:38.660 Whatever the general wants, he'll have to wait.
00:15:41.540 That is a real ad.
00:15:42.380 That is not satire.
00:15:44.360 So that's permitted in the British Army.
00:15:46.000 I wonder if Taliban terrorists would stop shooting at the Brits
00:15:50.140 while a British Muslim soldier stopped the patrol to pray.
00:15:55.760 Look, I get it.
00:15:56.680 This is the story in the Times of London a couple years back.
00:15:59.900 It's the most prestigious newspaper in the United Kingdom.
00:16:02.780 The headline, hundreds more UK Muslims choose jihad than army.
00:16:06.540 Let me read a few of the first lines.
00:16:08.660 More than twice as many British Muslims have traveled to Syria and Iraq to wage jihad
00:16:13.200 than have joined the British military over the past three years.
00:16:16.820 The difference could be even greater after it was claimed last night
00:16:21.180 that the number of Britons who too have fought with the Islamic State, ISIS,
00:16:25.200 and other extremist groups in the region was much higher
00:16:27.360 than the 400 to 500 identified by police.
00:16:31.320 One member of parliament said that more than 1,500 British militants
00:16:35.060 had joined the fight to create a caliphate
00:16:36.840 while a leading figure in the Muslim community put the figure between 600 and 1,000.
00:16:42.100 About 560 Muslims serve in the British Army.
00:16:44.460 So, yeah, it's a challenge.
00:16:48.280 I'm not sure if that recruitment ad, though, is going to help
00:16:52.320 or the Muslim imams or kicking out indigenous white Brits
00:16:56.340 who happen to love the Queen, but that's just what happened.
00:17:00.620 Look at this story today in Sky News.
00:17:03.720 Soldier in Tommy Robinson video to be discharged from army.
00:17:08.480 I'll read some more.
00:17:09.140 Sky News is told the recruit had a long record of disciplinary problems
00:17:12.980 and this was the last straw that broke the camel's back.
00:17:16.680 Oh, what a racist analogy.
00:17:19.680 Hang on. Hang on.
00:17:21.000 Who leaked that soldier's personnel file?
00:17:24.080 Why was that leaked before the hearing even happened?
00:17:28.620 Is the British media at all concerned about the invasion of political privacy
00:17:31.360 and personal freedom?
00:17:32.800 Having every soldier of their phone searched?
00:17:35.300 Do they really support firing soldiers
00:17:37.260 because they stand next to someone at a truck stop and smile?
00:17:42.460 Well, of course, if the person involved is Tommy Robinson.
00:17:45.900 Same way they didn't care that a Brit was sentenced to 13 years in prison
00:17:48.500 for reporting outside a court.
00:17:50.220 First time a reporter's been sentenced to prison in the UK for contempt since the 1940s.
00:17:54.320 Look, the British media don't care
00:17:55.880 because they love the transformation of the British Army into something unrecognizable.
00:17:59.740 I don't think they really like the new British Army,
00:18:03.080 but they hate the old British Army.
00:18:05.020 Male, strong, British, patriotic, killed things.
00:18:10.700 The Army is the last redoubt of patriots
00:18:12.800 and people who just plain love the United Kingdom
00:18:14.660 and want to fight for it.
00:18:15.960 Not a lot of them left, but there are a few.
00:18:17.380 They're mainly in the armed forces.
00:18:18.680 So the armed forces must be destroyed,
00:18:20.880 just like liberals in America, just to pull a random example.
00:18:24.460 They love what's going on in the NFL at the hands of Black Lives Matter.
00:18:28.880 Liberals don't actually watch football.
00:18:31.040 They don't really care.
00:18:32.440 They just want to destroy a symbol of patriotism and masculinity.
00:18:37.040 Well, the British armed forces are the last best thing about the UK, aren't they?
00:18:40.340 They actually kill Taliban terrorists.
00:18:42.960 They're so rude that way.
00:18:45.220 This story's getting bigger, not smaller.
00:18:47.540 Last night, Tommy set up a petition with us at standwithourlads.com.
00:18:54.460 Standwithourlads.com.
00:18:55.340 Now, in 24 hours, more than 100,000 people have signed that petition.
00:19:03.680 That is amazing.
00:19:05.160 We've been doing petitions here at the Rebel for three and a half years,
00:19:08.000 and we have never done one that has got so many signatures so quickly.
00:19:13.040 I think this shows the importance of the military
00:19:15.080 and the outrage over this extreme politically correct meddling by the Muslim Council.
00:19:20.840 But it's just as important for the military brass, too, that this happen,
00:19:28.400 that Tommy be crushed and any Tommy sympathizers be crushed.
00:19:32.260 I hope to be able to show you evidence as soon as tomorrow
00:19:36.640 that the Minister of Defense himself has been directly involved in the purge of these young troops.
00:19:44.600 The Minister has taken a personal interest.
00:19:48.160 I have proof. I need permission to show it. I hope to show you tomorrow.
00:19:52.460 That's how seriously they want to stomp out patriotism and national pride
00:19:55.620 and any resistance to the Islamification of the armed forces.
00:19:59.760 We'll see who wins this showdown.
00:20:01.960 The 100,000 petition signers and Tommy, or the brass.
00:20:05.480 I love Tommy. I love Great Britain.
00:20:07.380 But I've seen enough over my travels there in the last two years
00:20:10.480 to know how this is going to end.
00:20:14.840 They will literally kick out dozens, hundreds,
00:20:21.060 even thousands of British soldiers
00:20:24.140 in the name of political correctness.
00:20:26.440 They will kick them all out if necessary.
00:20:30.880 Just you watch.
00:20:33.040 Stay with us for more.
00:20:33.940 Like I said, I've learned my lesson.
00:20:52.460 In four years, I've learned a lot of things.
00:20:54.120 I mean, if I was going back home to do something like that,
00:20:58.440 I wouldn't have contacted the government for help.
00:21:01.280 I would have tried to snuck in.
00:21:04.140 Like I said, I just want to go back home
00:21:06.200 with my family and kids
00:21:08.900 and just forget about this whole thing, man,
00:21:13.040 if it's possible.
00:21:13.780 It's four years.
00:21:16.900 I mean, it's pretty much taken everything out of me.
00:21:22.380 Most of the time I was doing recon,
00:21:24.440 even with the sniping units, I was a spotter.
00:21:27.700 I mean, we didn't take much shots or things like that
00:21:30.220 because of the nature of war here.
00:21:32.280 I mean, distances are very far.
00:21:36.960 And even when we shot, I mean,
00:21:38.340 we never went up looking around
00:21:39.700 trying to see if we killed someone.
00:21:41.760 That is an ISIS terrorist from Canada.
00:21:49.300 His name is Muhammad Ali.
00:21:51.460 And he's actually, he was caught
00:21:53.200 trying to sneak out of the Islamic State
00:21:57.300 and make his way back to Canada
00:21:59.200 when he was captured by Kurdish forces
00:22:01.820 who were holding him.
00:22:03.320 He's out there doing terrorism with his wife and kids.
00:22:06.740 And he wants to come back to Canada.
00:22:08.540 And you heard the man.
00:22:09.820 He's learned his lesson, folks.
00:22:11.580 And he's just tired.
00:22:13.420 He's ready to come home.
00:22:14.640 And as Justin Trudeau said,
00:22:16.440 as a Canadian is a Canadian,
00:22:18.720 he'll surely be brought back.
00:22:20.140 Or will he?
00:22:21.280 Muhammad Ali says he has not yet spoken on the phone
00:22:24.200 or be contacted by any of Trudeau's diplomats.
00:22:27.240 Joining us now to talk about the possible scenarios
00:22:29.640 that could play out here
00:22:30.640 is our friend Lee Humphrey,
00:22:32.660 the founder of Veterans for the Conservative Party of Canada
00:22:35.500 and president of James International Security Consulting.
00:22:39.560 Ali, great to have you here.
00:22:40.780 Thanks very much.
00:22:41.860 What do you make of the case of Muhammad Ali?
00:22:46.280 Well, you know, the first thing that pops into my head
00:22:48.940 when I hear that clip, Ezra,
00:22:50.280 is how disgusting it is that he thinks he's a victim
00:22:54.240 in any way, shape or form.
00:22:55.640 He purposefully chose to leave Canada in 2014,
00:23:01.160 in April of 2014.
00:23:02.880 He went to work in northern Alberta
00:23:06.040 after leaving school to raise money
00:23:08.460 so he could travel abroad.
00:23:10.920 He told his father about it.
00:23:12.640 His father took him to an imam
00:23:14.540 to try and talk him out of it.
00:23:17.020 And he wasn't to be dissuaded.
00:23:19.220 He was going to go.
00:23:20.480 And now suddenly, you know,
00:23:22.940 we're to feel he's the victim?
00:23:24.800 I don't think so.
00:23:26.260 You know, I'm reminded of Omar Khadr
00:23:28.900 when he was captured.
00:23:30.800 The Taliban and al-Qaeda,
00:23:32.940 and of course ISIS is an offshoot of al-Qaeda,
00:23:35.380 train their terrorists
00:23:37.300 that when they're captured,
00:23:39.040 there's certain things they should say or do
00:23:41.040 to press the emotional or legal buttons in the West.
00:23:45.040 One of the things they always say
00:23:46.720 is that they were tortured,
00:23:48.340 whether or not it's true
00:23:49.240 because they know that that will,
00:23:51.500 you know, cause all sorts of legal machinery
00:23:54.200 to come to their aid
00:23:55.220 and it'll also be a PR war.
00:23:58.040 I don't believe that a man
00:24:00.520 who's willing to murder you
00:24:02.000 isn't also willing to lie to you.
00:24:05.260 Lee, I guess what I'm saying is
00:24:06.520 I don't believe a word he's saying
00:24:08.320 and I think he's doing a practiced
00:24:11.160 beg or lie or takia, as they might say,
00:24:15.480 because he'd rather be in Canada
00:24:17.680 than in a Kurdish prison.
00:24:19.240 Yeah, absolutely.
00:24:20.620 He'll say whatever he needs to say
00:24:22.380 and appear to be the innocent victim
00:24:24.900 of all of this
00:24:26.060 and that he was only a spotter
00:24:27.520 and not a shooter,
00:24:29.040 as if that makes a difference,
00:24:31.080 so that he can come home
00:24:33.420 and, as he says, forget about this.
00:24:35.780 But there is no forgetting
00:24:37.260 about committing terrorism
00:24:38.620 on a genocidal scale
00:24:40.520 against, you know,
00:24:43.160 both Iraq and Syria
00:24:45.020 and trying to take over
00:24:47.320 the Sahil region
00:24:48.840 or the Alsham region,
00:24:51.980 sorry.
00:24:53.140 You know, it's time,
00:24:55.520 I think, Canada
00:24:56.920 really decided
00:24:58.540 whether we want to enforce
00:24:59.920 our terrorism laws
00:25:01.140 or whether we want to keep playing
00:25:03.100 the silly game
00:25:04.180 of sticking our head in the sand,
00:25:06.400 bringing folks home
00:25:07.520 and following this mantra
00:25:09.700 that we'll simply deny
00:25:11.060 that terrorism
00:25:12.360 could be carried out
00:25:13.920 by young Canadians abroad,
00:25:15.880 let alone at home.
00:25:17.080 You know, the attack
00:25:20.680 against terrorism
00:25:21.620 through the courts,
00:25:23.400 prosecuting,
00:25:24.960 lawyering,
00:25:25.900 beyond a reasonable doubt,
00:25:27.380 beyond a balance
00:25:28.220 of probability,
00:25:30.040 these are not,
00:25:31.160 the legal process
00:25:32.200 is not properly suited
00:25:33.780 to war.
00:25:35.060 There's no meticulous
00:25:36.880 gathering of evidence,
00:25:38.040 there's no untampered evidence,
00:25:39.640 there's, you know,
00:25:40.420 there's no witnesses,
00:25:41.540 there's a,
00:25:42.060 it's,
00:25:42.880 prosecuting someone
00:25:43.840 for what they do overseas
00:25:44.900 is not the best way
00:25:47.320 to do it.
00:25:48.440 Our criminal code
00:25:49.480 has provisions
00:25:50.260 that allow us
00:25:51.260 to prosecute someone
00:25:52.780 simply for going over there
00:25:55.080 to avoid the evidentiary
00:25:58.080 and procedural hassles.
00:25:59.720 I mean,
00:26:00.040 imagine trying to get a witness,
00:26:02.160 you know,
00:26:03.160 a transient terrorist
00:26:04.560 or soldier in the field,
00:26:05.500 it makes no sense.
00:26:06.580 We could prosecute them
00:26:08.400 simply for going over there
00:26:09.940 and providing support
00:26:12.220 and moral support
00:26:13.860 and tangible support
00:26:15.400 to ISIS right there.
00:26:16.560 That is a criminal act
00:26:18.400 under our criminal code,
00:26:19.360 isn't it?
00:26:20.660 Absolutely.
00:26:21.460 And that is the number one reason
00:26:23.180 why that piece of the law
00:26:25.720 was put into place
00:26:26.840 because it was very clear
00:26:28.400 that it is difficult
00:26:29.660 to gather evidence
00:26:30.740 in a war zone.
00:26:33.120 It is very difficult
00:26:34.760 to have that meet the burden
00:26:36.860 of proof standards
00:26:38.380 in the Canadian justice system.
00:26:40.880 So what is very clear
00:26:43.600 in almost every one
00:26:45.120 of these terrorist cases
00:26:46.300 is that these folks
00:26:47.680 either went and fought
00:26:50.380 with ISIL
00:26:52.620 or they attempted to.
00:26:55.360 So that is the relevant piece
00:26:57.580 of the legal or the law
00:27:00.800 that should be applied
00:27:02.300 and could be easily applied.
00:27:04.080 And it's exactly
00:27:05.000 what our allies use
00:27:07.040 for their domestic terrorists
00:27:10.860 that travel abroad
00:27:12.100 and then attempt
00:27:13.080 to come home.
00:27:15.140 Have any Canadians
00:27:17.260 who have gone overseas
00:27:18.720 to fight with ISIS
00:27:19.720 or ISIL,
00:27:20.440 depending on how you say it,
00:27:21.960 have any of them
00:27:22.920 been charged?
00:27:23.580 We know that dozens,
00:27:25.380 maybe even scores,
00:27:27.120 have returned to Canada.
00:27:28.380 Has there been any prosecution
00:27:29.600 or even any arrests
00:27:30.880 that we know about?
00:27:32.820 None that I'm aware of.
00:27:33.980 I know that most of these folks
00:27:37.180 have been interviewed
00:27:38.040 upon arrival.
00:27:40.200 They've been interrogated
00:27:42.280 for a short period of time.
00:27:43.960 They've been warned
00:27:44.560 that they will be followed
00:27:45.640 or tracked.
00:27:47.260 But there's been no charges,
00:27:49.420 no arrests,
00:27:50.280 no attempted charges
00:27:51.580 that have gone to court
00:27:53.620 and failed.
00:27:54.480 So, you know,
00:27:55.720 it appears that the government
00:27:57.020 is incredibly reluctant
00:27:58.520 to even go down this path
00:28:00.860 under the administration
00:28:04.300 of Prime Minister Trudeau.
00:28:07.480 You know,
00:28:08.240 it was,
00:28:09.660 interestingly enough,
00:28:10.720 a foreign journalist,
00:28:11.980 Rukmini Kalamacki
00:28:13.080 is her name,
00:28:13.800 with the New York Times
00:28:14.940 who interviewed
00:28:16.420 an ISIS terrorist
00:28:18.500 who came back to Canada,
00:28:20.140 interviewed him
00:28:20.700 at some length
00:28:21.640 and he was boasting
00:28:22.880 in the New York Times
00:28:24.260 of being a murderer overseas
00:28:27.620 and being an enforcer.
00:28:28.840 So, I mean,
00:28:31.900 you have these folks
00:28:32.840 aren't hiding it.
00:28:34.020 I mean,
00:28:34.260 this fella here
00:28:34.920 is probably lying
00:28:35.920 about the fact
00:28:37.420 that he, quote,
00:28:38.000 was only a sniper spotter.
00:28:39.640 As you point out,
00:28:40.260 it doesn't matter.
00:28:41.100 He helped kill
00:28:41.820 how many innocents.
00:28:43.280 He's probably lying
00:28:44.400 about what other things
00:28:45.180 he did personally.
00:28:45.900 He's probably lying
00:28:46.460 about his remorse.
00:28:47.760 But he doesn't have to lie
00:28:49.860 because there are other
00:28:51.200 terrorist returnees
00:28:52.780 in Canada
00:28:53.300 who shout it out,
00:28:54.960 who boast about it.
00:28:56.180 There was a Yazidi woman
00:28:57.320 who said she saw
00:28:58.740 her ISIS rapist
00:29:00.080 on a public bus
00:29:01.680 in Ontario.
00:29:02.980 These folks
00:29:03.600 don't even need to hide
00:29:04.620 because no one's chasing them,
00:29:05.720 am I right?
00:29:07.520 That's the problem.
00:29:08.700 I mean,
00:29:09.080 we have countless
00:29:10.720 social media postings
00:29:13.140 by these folks
00:29:14.220 boasting of their achievements
00:29:16.600 while in country.
00:29:18.060 It is not beyond
00:29:19.940 the ability
00:29:20.980 of the Canadian government
00:29:22.260 to determine
00:29:23.900 that those social media posts
00:29:25.520 were actually posted
00:29:27.740 where they say
00:29:28.880 they were posted from.
00:29:30.760 And these people
00:29:32.480 are boasting
00:29:33.320 of their achievements.
00:29:35.220 This gentleman,
00:29:36.660 he did say
00:29:37.980 that he was mostly a spotter,
00:29:39.820 but he did take some shots.
00:29:41.580 He said he was sick
00:29:42.840 of killing
00:29:43.500 after four years.
00:29:45.600 You know,
00:29:45.840 this is exhibit one
00:29:47.420 of a confession.
00:29:49.320 And the only reason
00:29:51.480 I can think of
00:29:52.460 that Canadian authorities
00:29:54.180 may not have interviewed him
00:29:55.920 at this point
00:29:56.660 or haven't interviewed him
00:29:57.780 at this point
00:29:58.880 is they're afraid
00:30:00.400 of the potential lawsuit
00:30:03.340 because the Americans
00:30:04.540 and the British
00:30:05.120 have interrogated him.
00:30:07.220 And they,
00:30:08.200 you know,
00:30:08.540 they're looking at
00:30:09.140 the Omar Khadar case
00:30:10.300 and saying,
00:30:11.300 oh my God,
00:30:11.840 if we send Canadians
00:30:12.960 in to interview this guy
00:30:14.620 while he's in the custody
00:30:16.200 of somebody else,
00:30:17.440 we'll have another
00:30:18.860 human rights violation
00:30:20.180 on our hands
00:30:20.940 and we'll be forking out
00:30:22.160 $10.5 million again.
00:30:23.880 Yeah.
00:30:24.180 You know,
00:30:24.680 I think you're absolutely right
00:30:26.020 because it wasn't just
00:30:26.880 Cotter.
00:30:27.340 Two or three other
00:30:28.660 accused terrorists
00:30:30.780 were awarded
00:30:31.540 about $10 million each.
00:30:32.740 And I see that
00:30:33.180 there was another terrorist
00:30:33.880 suing the Canadian government
00:30:35.700 for tens of millions
00:30:37.040 with very little connection
00:30:37.960 to Canada.
00:30:38.680 I think you're so right
00:30:39.640 about that.
00:30:40.140 Let me ask you a question
00:30:41.900 about Guantanamo Bay
00:30:43.060 because I,
00:30:45.560 you know,
00:30:46.440 George W. Bush
00:30:48.080 created Guantanamo Bay
00:30:49.940 to hold detainees
00:30:51.980 who were not prisoners
00:30:53.120 of war
00:30:53.700 under the definition
00:30:55.060 of the Geneva Conventions.
00:30:58.040 I've read those conventions
00:30:58.840 several times
00:30:59.560 and it's clear
00:31:00.520 you have to meet
00:31:01.200 certain standards
00:31:01.940 to be given
00:31:02.780 the rights
00:31:04.420 of a soldier.
00:31:05.280 I mean,
00:31:05.480 for example,
00:31:05.900 when we captured
00:31:06.860 tens of thousands
00:31:07.800 of German soldiers
00:31:09.400 in the Second World War,
00:31:10.700 we didn't prosecute them
00:31:12.000 and we didn't put them
00:31:13.300 in a regular prison
00:31:14.200 because they hadn't done
00:31:15.460 anything, quote,
00:31:16.200 wrong by just being
00:31:17.280 regular soldiers.
00:31:18.280 We just put them
00:31:18.860 in prisoner war camps
00:31:19.660 until the war was done
00:31:21.300 but they had to
00:31:22.040 wear a uniform,
00:31:24.520 be part of a chain
00:31:25.400 of command,
00:31:26.720 bear their weapons
00:31:27.500 openly,
00:31:28.340 not sneakily
00:31:29.120 like a terrorist,
00:31:30.180 and they had to
00:31:30.680 generally follow
00:31:31.400 the laws and customs
00:31:32.740 of war.
00:31:33.160 So if you were just
00:31:33.700 some, you know,
00:31:34.620 18-year-old conscript
00:31:35.960 in the Wehrmacht,
00:31:36.900 you weren't going
00:31:37.480 to be prosecuted
00:31:38.180 for a war crime.
00:31:38.920 You'd just be held
00:31:39.680 until the war was over.
00:31:42.220 You couldn't leave.
00:31:43.680 That's sort of
00:31:44.520 what Guantanamo Bay was,
00:31:45.920 a POW camp,
00:31:47.540 but for terrorists
00:31:49.220 who didn't rise
00:31:50.140 to the level
00:31:50.860 of an actual soldier.
00:31:52.880 Do we need
00:31:54.040 some sort of
00:31:54.900 an indefinite detention
00:31:56.760 like POW camps were,
00:31:58.880 like Guantanamo Bay is,
00:32:00.500 do we need
00:32:01.020 some sort of
00:32:01.580 Canadian place
00:32:02.780 where we put
00:32:03.740 these terrorists
00:32:04.540 until,
00:32:06.000 as we did
00:32:06.520 with the Wehrmacht soldiers
00:32:07.520 in World War II
00:32:08.160 until the war
00:32:09.440 was over?
00:32:11.920 It's an interesting
00:32:12.880 question,
00:32:13.380 and that's exactly
00:32:15.020 what Guantanamo
00:32:15.880 was created for.
00:32:18.000 And, in fact,
00:32:18.800 the U.S.
00:32:19.260 took an additional
00:32:19.960 step whereby
00:32:21.020 they gave
00:32:22.640 those prisoners
00:32:24.060 not the status
00:32:25.580 of PW
00:32:26.560 or prisoner
00:32:27.420 of war,
00:32:28.120 but they gave
00:32:28.860 them the rights
00:32:29.640 inherent to
00:32:30.660 prisoners of war
00:32:31.680 in terms of
00:32:33.440 the quality
00:32:33.960 of health care
00:32:34.660 they got,
00:32:35.340 recreational facilities,
00:32:36.840 et cetera.
00:32:38.060 And so,
00:32:39.700 it allowed
00:32:40.320 the United States
00:32:41.240 time to hold
00:32:42.420 people either
00:32:43.340 until the war
00:32:44.220 was over
00:32:44.760 or until those
00:32:45.820 people were
00:32:46.260 no longer
00:32:46.760 threats,
00:32:47.520 or they could
00:32:48.320 be transferred
00:32:48.920 to their host
00:32:49.640 nations
00:32:50.200 and dealt
00:32:51.220 with safely
00:32:51.980 there.
00:32:52.960 Obviously,
00:32:53.580 there was
00:32:54.260 some recidivism
00:32:55.760 back to the
00:32:56.960 battlefield,
00:32:58.300 but for the
00:32:59.200 most part,
00:32:59.820 it worked well.
00:33:00.620 whether Canada
00:33:02.400 needs to do
00:33:03.240 that or
00:33:03.940 whether the
00:33:04.840 international
00:33:06.540 Western group
00:33:09.080 of countries
00:33:09.780 need to come
00:33:10.480 together and
00:33:11.860 create a
00:33:12.740 facility similar
00:33:13.780 to perhaps
00:33:14.560 what we had
00:33:15.100 in Berlin,
00:33:16.800 where,
00:33:18.520 you know,
00:33:18.960 at one point
00:33:19.700 it was only
00:33:20.120 holding one
00:33:20.700 Nazi prisoner
00:33:21.460 until he
00:33:21.980 passed away,
00:33:23.700 but some
00:33:24.280 form of an
00:33:25.060 international
00:33:25.640 prison where
00:33:26.340 you can
00:33:26.680 maintain the
00:33:27.440 rights and
00:33:28.940 the standards
00:33:29.940 that Western
00:33:30.660 nations expect
00:33:31.660 their prisoners
00:33:32.260 to be held
00:33:32.880 in for the
00:33:34.160 duration of
00:33:35.500 a war or
00:33:36.300 until their
00:33:36.840 cases can be
00:33:37.700 adjudicated
00:33:38.400 properly and
00:33:39.900 they're deemed
00:33:40.320 not to be
00:33:40.900 threats.
00:33:41.480 The alternative
00:33:42.680 to that is
00:33:43.460 we've seen
00:33:44.320 the United
00:33:44.740 Kingdom
00:33:45.340 withdraw the
00:33:46.780 citizenship of
00:33:47.780 at least nine
00:33:48.660 ISIS terrorists
00:33:50.180 that are being
00:33:50.840 held by the
00:33:51.740 SDF in the
00:33:54.600 Kurdish region.
00:33:56.540 Canada could
00:33:57.280 do the same
00:33:57.880 specifically with
00:33:58.660 this gentleman
00:33:59.220 and his
00:33:59.920 wife,
00:34:00.480 although the
00:34:01.680 complicating
00:34:02.300 factor in
00:34:02.980 this case
00:34:03.480 would be the
00:34:04.060 children who
00:34:05.780 were born to
00:34:06.520 two Canadian
00:34:07.840 citizens,
00:34:08.780 although they're
00:34:09.380 citizens by
00:34:10.460 residency,
00:34:11.160 not by birth,
00:34:12.740 but it becomes
00:34:13.500 a complicating
00:34:14.140 factor for sure.
00:34:15.960 But the
00:34:16.540 terrorist himself,
00:34:18.580 they could
00:34:18.960 certainly withdraw
00:34:20.320 his citizenship
00:34:21.220 and many of
00:34:22.680 the others.
00:34:23.360 Those born in
00:34:24.240 Canada like
00:34:24.940 Cotter would
00:34:26.260 have to be
00:34:26.820 repatriated at
00:34:27.920 some point
00:34:28.780 once either the
00:34:32.440 war was done
00:34:33.360 or they had
00:34:33.960 completed their
00:34:34.600 sentence as in
00:34:35.280 the case of
00:34:35.780 Cotter.
00:34:36.720 So, you know,
00:34:37.360 the short
00:34:37.740 answer is I
00:34:38.840 don't know if
00:34:39.360 Canada could
00:34:40.380 afford to do
00:34:41.000 something like
00:34:41.580 that on its
00:34:42.140 own for such a
00:34:42.840 small number,
00:34:43.680 but in
00:34:45.320 conjunction with
00:34:46.200 our allies like
00:34:47.300 the United
00:34:47.720 Kingdom,
00:34:48.400 France,
00:34:49.540 Germany,
00:34:50.580 Italy,
00:34:51.660 the United
00:34:52.380 States,
00:34:52.920 other countries
00:34:53.560 that have
00:34:53.960 larger numbers,
00:34:55.460 perhaps this is
00:34:56.320 a good solution.
00:34:57.440 Yeah.
00:34:57.700 You know,
00:34:58.160 I don't want to
00:34:59.020 try and be a
00:35:00.160 legislator,
00:35:01.060 I just don't
00:35:01.720 know enough
00:35:02.200 about the
00:35:02.600 laws of war,
00:35:03.520 but the one
00:35:03.980 thing that I
00:35:04.500 found very
00:35:04.900 interesting when
00:35:05.520 I learned
00:35:05.860 about prison
00:35:07.100 of war camps
00:35:07.620 is it was not
00:35:08.480 a penitentiary,
00:35:09.180 these people
00:35:09.500 were not being
00:35:09.920 punished,
00:35:10.740 they were just
00:35:11.060 being kept
00:35:11.640 because if they
00:35:12.740 were to let go
00:35:13.740 it was assumed
00:35:14.340 they would rejoin
00:35:15.420 the army and
00:35:15.920 keep fighting.
00:35:16.500 So this was
00:35:16.880 just a way to
00:35:17.860 get them off
00:35:18.460 the field of
00:35:19.100 battle till
00:35:20.160 Germany was no
00:35:21.000 longer our
00:35:21.520 enemy and then
00:35:22.080 they could
00:35:22.380 go home,
00:35:22.760 some of them
00:35:23.060 actually stayed
00:35:23.740 here.
00:35:24.340 I think that
00:35:25.100 Al-Qaeda and
00:35:25.840 the Taliban
00:35:26.280 will fight
00:35:27.120 the West
00:35:27.720 forever.
00:35:29.700 I don't think
00:35:30.560 that's something
00:35:31.160 that would
00:35:31.760 accept a
00:35:32.800 surrender,
00:35:33.340 it's not in
00:35:33.920 the ideological
00:35:34.900 nature of
00:35:35.960 Islamic extremism.
00:35:37.700 So if these
00:35:38.500 folks would
00:35:39.140 remain in
00:35:39.760 detention
00:35:40.160 forever,
00:35:41.400 that's a price
00:35:42.580 that I think
00:35:43.460 they should
00:35:44.300 pay and again
00:35:45.280 we're not
00:35:45.880 punishing them
00:35:47.020 as a murderer
00:35:47.740 because we
00:35:48.140 haven't convicted
00:35:48.820 them of that,
00:35:50.020 we're just
00:35:50.420 holding them,
00:35:51.000 I don't want
00:35:51.520 that guy,
00:35:52.100 Muhammad Ali
00:35:53.160 wandering around
00:35:53.900 schools,
00:35:54.440 I don't want
00:35:54.920 them wandering
00:35:55.960 by synagogues
00:35:56.880 or churches
00:35:57.380 or daycares,
00:35:58.260 I don't want
00:35:58.740 them collaborating
00:36:01.020 with other
00:36:01.860 radicals.
00:36:02.620 Let me ask you
00:36:03.960 one last
00:36:04.500 question,
00:36:04.660 I'm sort of
00:36:05.620 meandering and
00:36:06.240 daydreaming about
00:36:07.040 things that we
00:36:07.540 could do,
00:36:08.540 I think maybe
00:36:10.040 that doesn't make
00:36:10.660 me much different
00:36:11.240 from Trudeau and
00:36:12.120 Ralph Goodale,
00:36:13.020 they clearly don't
00:36:13.860 know what to do
00:36:14.540 or want to do
00:36:15.580 anything either,
00:36:16.280 do they?
00:36:16.640 Well, they seem
00:36:18.380 to be inserting
00:36:19.080 a political
00:36:20.060 piece to this
00:36:21.320 in the sense
00:36:21.900 that there's
00:36:22.840 an election
00:36:23.240 coming,
00:36:24.300 they recognized
00:36:25.380 when they made
00:36:26.600 that payment
00:36:27.200 to Omar
00:36:27.760 Cotter that
00:36:28.700 the backlash
00:36:29.600 was far
00:36:30.620 greater than
00:36:31.300 they ever
00:36:31.700 anticipated,
00:36:32.980 that with each
00:36:33.880 terrorist attack
00:36:34.860 in Canada
00:36:35.540 that they
00:36:36.620 attempt to
00:36:37.300 deny,
00:36:38.020 that Canadians
00:36:38.800 can see through
00:36:39.720 this and they
00:36:40.380 see it through,
00:36:41.980 Trudeau and
00:36:42.920 Goodale are
00:36:43.440 seeing it through
00:36:44.100 a political lens
00:36:45.040 and how it
00:36:45.640 could damage
00:36:46.200 them in the
00:36:46.720 next election
00:36:47.420 or how it
00:36:48.360 could benefit
00:36:48.960 the Conservative
00:36:49.620 Party,
00:36:50.100 which is much
00:36:50.680 tougher on
00:36:51.280 these issues.
00:36:52.460 So you're
00:36:53.640 not getting
00:36:54.380 an accurate
00:36:55.680 assessment by
00:36:57.720 the security
00:36:58.320 services to
00:36:59.860 the Minister
00:37:00.540 of Public
00:37:01.340 Safety who
00:37:02.640 then moves
00:37:03.240 forward.
00:37:04.120 You know,
00:37:04.420 there's the
00:37:05.020 Gerald Butts
00:37:05.680 lens that it's
00:37:06.440 all going
00:37:07.000 through before
00:37:08.900 any actions
00:37:10.360 are taken.
00:37:11.720 And this
00:37:12.140 should be,
00:37:12.900 you know,
00:37:13.480 like many
00:37:14.000 things,
00:37:14.440 like veterans
00:37:15.000 issues,
00:37:15.420 like military
00:37:16.280 issues,
00:37:16.760 like procurement
00:37:17.580 for military.
00:37:18.840 This should be
00:37:19.460 a nonpartisan
00:37:20.520 issue.
00:37:21.440 This is about
00:37:21.960 the safety
00:37:22.420 of Canadians.
00:37:23.220 You mentioned
00:37:23.740 a Yosidi woman
00:37:25.000 being terrorized
00:37:26.300 again at
00:37:27.340 home.
00:37:28.860 We can't let
00:37:29.660 that happen
00:37:30.260 to our citizens
00:37:31.240 who,
00:37:32.260 through no
00:37:32.720 fault of their
00:37:33.340 own,
00:37:34.000 have to live
00:37:34.660 in fear
00:37:35.340 because terrorists
00:37:36.900 who were weary
00:37:37.800 on the battlefield
00:37:38.620 may regain
00:37:40.060 their strength,
00:37:40.940 their composure,
00:37:42.180 and rediscover
00:37:43.360 their ideology
00:37:44.260 when they're
00:37:44.720 back here
00:37:45.180 at home.
00:37:46.540 Well,
00:37:47.340 I am scared
00:37:48.980 about it.
00:37:49.720 And as I said
00:37:50.460 about Omar
00:37:50.880 Cotter,
00:37:51.300 I'm less scared
00:37:52.240 that he will
00:37:53.240 actually murder
00:37:54.100 someone again
00:37:55.120 because he's
00:37:56.080 much more powerful
00:37:56.920 than just a
00:37:58.020 piece of
00:37:58.780 cannon fodder
00:37:59.500 as he was
00:38:00.240 a dozen years
00:38:01.260 ago.
00:38:01.680 Now he's a
00:38:02.440 propagandist,
00:38:03.280 an organizer,
00:38:04.360 an inspirer,
00:38:05.380 a connector.
00:38:06.360 He has his
00:38:06.960 father's name
00:38:07.660 and most
00:38:08.040 importantly,
00:38:09.140 he's the guy
00:38:09.780 who beat
00:38:10.300 Guantanamo Bay.
00:38:11.160 He's the guy
00:38:11.720 who beat
00:38:12.120 the rap
00:38:12.600 and is walking
00:38:13.440 free with
00:38:13.900 10.5 million
00:38:14.820 in his jeans.
00:38:15.740 The very fact
00:38:16.480 that he struts
00:38:17.080 around free
00:38:17.660 is much more
00:38:18.540 inspiring and
00:38:19.960 terrifying
00:38:20.620 to young
00:38:22.540 Muslim radicals
00:38:23.460 who would be
00:38:23.860 contemplating that
00:38:24.600 life than if
00:38:25.480 he would just
00:38:25.900 throw a grenade
00:38:26.580 at a Jewish
00:38:27.180 school bus.
00:38:28.160 I think
00:38:28.660 bringing these
00:38:30.280 terrorists home
00:38:32.100 and giving them
00:38:32.660 money is actually
00:38:33.900 more dangerous
00:38:34.680 than the murders
00:38:35.820 they would cause.
00:38:36.480 Last word to
00:38:37.060 you, Lee.
00:38:38.620 Absolutely.
00:38:39.320 These guys
00:38:39.720 are rock stars.
00:38:41.020 They have
00:38:41.620 fought for the
00:38:42.300 A-team
00:38:42.980 and they have
00:38:44.060 survived
00:38:44.760 and they are
00:38:46.100 now coming
00:38:46.760 home and
00:38:47.580 they will be
00:38:48.400 welcomed with
00:38:49.600 open arms
00:38:50.420 in certain
00:38:51.200 mosques by
00:38:52.000 certain groups
00:38:52.740 of people
00:38:53.280 and they will
00:38:54.920 be listened
00:38:55.560 to and
00:38:57.140 idolized over
00:38:58.500 and over
00:38:59.040 and over
00:38:59.480 again about
00:39:00.740 how they
00:39:01.400 went and
00:39:02.360 committed
00:39:03.920 jihad in
00:39:05.140 the name
00:39:05.600 of Muhammad.
00:39:07.480 and we
00:39:09.540 have a duty
00:39:10.160 to our
00:39:11.060 fellow citizens
00:39:11.800 to make
00:39:12.380 sure that
00:39:13.560 these guys
00:39:14.160 cannot be
00:39:14.820 used for
00:39:15.680 propaganda
00:39:16.280 purposes to
00:39:17.160 motivate others
00:39:18.120 to commit
00:39:19.020 acts of terror
00:39:19.900 whether it's
00:39:20.520 here,
00:39:21.000 whether it's
00:39:21.400 in Europe
00:39:21.860 or whether
00:39:22.740 it's against
00:39:23.580 the Canadian
00:39:24.100 armed forces
00:39:24.800 in Iraq
00:39:25.440 or in
00:39:26.100 Mali for
00:39:26.580 that matter.
00:39:27.480 Yeah.
00:39:28.000 Well this is
00:39:28.900 terrifying.
00:39:29.520 I have to tell
00:39:30.020 you I'm a
00:39:30.360 pessimist on
00:39:30.920 this, Lee.
00:39:31.300 I believe that
00:39:31.960 this Muhammad
00:39:32.500 Ali will come
00:39:33.140 back to Canada.
00:39:34.060 I believe he
00:39:34.620 will be made
00:39:35.200 a millionaire
00:39:35.640 and I
00:39:36.420 believe he
00:39:36.880 will be
00:39:37.460 put on
00:39:38.240 an honored
00:39:38.860 speaking circuit
00:39:40.500 and I think
00:39:41.040 all of those
00:39:41.460 things will
00:39:41.800 happen if
00:39:42.240 Justin Trudeau
00:39:43.720 is re-elected.
00:39:44.520 So I think
00:39:45.360 that's just
00:39:46.120 how it is.
00:39:46.800 I'm sorry I
00:39:47.380 could keep
00:39:47.640 going on this
00:39:48.180 for a while
00:39:48.540 but it would
00:39:49.020 just be me
00:39:49.480 ranting.
00:39:50.760 Lee, great to
00:39:51.180 see you.
00:39:51.460 Thanks for
00:39:51.780 fighting the
00:39:52.140 good fight
00:39:52.460 as you
00:39:52.680 always did.
00:39:53.100 You fought
00:39:53.360 the fight
00:39:53.680 in the
00:39:53.880 battlefield
00:39:54.180 and now
00:39:54.620 you're
00:39:54.780 fighting the
00:39:55.160 fight in
00:39:55.420 the court
00:39:55.680 of a
00:39:55.880 public
00:39:56.100 opinion.
00:39:56.540 Thank you
00:39:56.780 for that.
00:39:58.060 Thank you
00:39:58.540 Ezra and
00:39:58.960 you're spot
00:39:59.400 on in your
00:39:59.840 assessment.
00:40:00.260 Alright, there
00:40:01.480 you have it.
00:40:01.840 That's Lee
00:40:02.220 Humphrey and
00:40:02.840 by the way
00:40:03.420 he'll be one
00:40:04.320 of our
00:40:04.580 speakers at
00:40:05.360 The Rebel
00:40:05.820 Live in
00:40:06.680 Calgary on
00:40:07.880 Saturday,
00:40:08.640 November 10th.
00:40:09.480 We've also
00:40:10.120 invited a
00:40:10.880 range of
00:40:11.240 other speakers
00:40:11.720 from Lindsay
00:40:12.560 Shepard, the
00:40:13.080 free speech
00:40:13.540 activist.
00:40:14.940 We've invited
00:40:15.380 Andrew Scheer,
00:40:16.400 the leader of
00:40:17.020 the Federal
00:40:17.400 Conservative Party
00:40:18.120 and Jason
00:40:18.600 Kenney, the
00:40:19.340 leader of the
00:40:19.800 United Conservative
00:40:20.540 Party provincially.
00:40:21.660 We've also
00:40:22.140 invited Maxime
00:40:22.920 Bernier federally
00:40:24.260 and he has
00:40:24.820 RSVP'd.
00:40:25.520 We'll keep
00:40:25.780 you posted on
00:40:26.380 that.
00:40:27.000 For more
00:40:27.260 details go to
00:40:28.000 therebelllive.com.
00:40:29.620 Stay with
00:40:30.140 us.
00:40:30.880 More ahead
00:40:31.320 on the
00:40:31.540 rough.
00:40:43.560 Welcome
00:40:44.120 back.
00:40:44.440 On my
00:40:44.640 monologue
00:40:44.960 yesterday about
00:40:45.540 leftist violence
00:40:46.420 in lawless
00:40:47.120 liberal America,
00:40:47.840 Peter writes,
00:40:49.540 the Antifa
00:40:50.200 violent types
00:40:51.280 want to tear
00:40:52.000 down our
00:40:52.420 society.
00:40:52.880 They depend
00:40:53.260 upon our
00:40:54.320 cultural civility
00:40:55.440 to enact
00:40:56.000 their violence.
00:40:57.320 Well, there's
00:40:58.340 some truth
00:40:58.820 there.
00:40:59.120 I think
00:40:59.720 they are
00:41:00.980 like babies
00:41:01.560 and they're
00:41:01.960 looking for
00:41:02.400 limits.
00:41:02.800 I mean, you
00:41:03.020 know how
00:41:03.300 babies are
00:41:04.160 and even
00:41:04.360 kids and
00:41:04.920 I suppose
00:41:05.120 grown-ups
00:41:05.520 too.
00:41:05.940 They want
00:41:06.300 to know
00:41:06.460 what the
00:41:06.660 limit is
00:41:07.000 and so
00:41:07.260 they keep
00:41:07.560 pushing and
00:41:08.040 pushing to
00:41:08.400 see what
00:41:08.660 they get
00:41:09.300 away with.
00:41:09.860 I think
00:41:10.080 they like
00:41:10.600 speaking ill
00:41:12.000 against the
00:41:12.500 man and
00:41:13.000 defying
00:41:13.420 authority.
00:41:14.540 But I
00:41:14.800 think it's
00:41:15.700 also, and I
00:41:16.460 think I
00:41:16.660 mentioned this
00:41:17.080 yesterday, that
00:41:18.800 happened in
00:41:19.320 Portland.
00:41:20.380 It wouldn't
00:41:21.140 happen in
00:41:22.220 Dallas, Texas
00:41:23.400 because
00:41:24.680 conservatives are
00:41:26.240 generally a
00:41:27.480 little bit more
00:41:27.940 physical and
00:41:28.720 tough.
00:41:29.120 And gun
00:41:29.720 owning and
00:41:30.240 gun shooting.
00:41:30.980 So I think
00:41:31.400 that's what
00:41:31.740 happens when
00:41:32.900 everyone says
00:41:33.580 this is going
00:41:34.020 to be a
00:41:34.360 peaceful,
00:41:34.900 harmonious
00:41:35.400 place.
00:41:36.460 But one
00:41:37.460 group of
00:41:37.960 people says,
00:41:38.860 well, we're
00:41:39.160 not.
00:41:40.360 Unfortunately, that
00:41:41.160 makes other
00:41:41.600 people toughen up
00:41:42.360 too.
00:41:43.160 I don't want a
00:41:44.720 civil war in
00:41:45.360 America.
00:41:45.840 It will be
00:41:46.240 brutal.
00:41:46.900 But these
00:41:47.720 lefty, vegan,
00:41:50.600 anti-foot types
00:41:51.640 would be crushed
00:41:52.820 by the good old
00:41:53.760 boys.
00:41:54.080 It's just a
00:41:54.800 fact.
00:41:56.860 Alberta
00:41:57.200 Maga writes,
00:41:59.540 funny how
00:41:59.920 these clowns
00:42:00.440 love the
00:42:00.780 courts when
00:42:01.220 they are full
00:42:01.600 of liberal
00:42:01.980 judges.
00:42:04.240 Now, I'm
00:42:04.820 not sure.
00:42:05.380 Oh, you're
00:42:05.740 talking about
00:42:07.380 Brett Kavanaugh.
00:42:09.720 Well, absolutely,
00:42:10.620 yeah.
00:42:11.760 One thing I
00:42:12.760 like about the
00:42:13.600 United States
00:42:14.120 that I wish we
00:42:14.860 had here in
00:42:15.460 Canada is
00:42:16.840 they have a
00:42:17.280 healthy
00:42:17.680 disrespect for
00:42:19.700 the court.
00:42:20.000 Now, they
00:42:20.240 respect the
00:42:20.820 court.
00:42:21.040 We talked
00:42:21.840 yesterday about
00:42:22.420 the gorgeous
00:42:22.960 13-ton bronze
00:42:25.240 doors, and I
00:42:27.120 encourage you to
00:42:27.680 look that up.
00:42:28.140 It's a very
00:42:28.600 interesting piece
00:42:29.600 of history and
00:42:30.680 philosophy.
00:42:31.240 Those doors are
00:42:31.840 very symbolic.
00:42:33.580 We ought to
00:42:34.220 respect the
00:42:34.800 courts, and in
00:42:35.280 a way we have
00:42:35.620 to love the
00:42:36.040 courts.
00:42:38.000 But we should
00:42:38.820 disrespect the
00:42:39.540 people in it
00:42:40.300 just enough.
00:42:41.080 And what I mean
00:42:41.460 by that is they
00:42:42.160 are not high
00:42:42.980 priests, they're
00:42:43.820 not wizards,
00:42:44.960 they're not morally
00:42:45.720 superior to you
00:42:46.620 or I.
00:42:47.300 They are people
00:42:47.840 entrusted with
00:42:48.840 powers, occupying a
00:42:50.660 high office, but
00:42:51.640 they themselves
00:42:52.260 are not gods.
00:42:54.480 And we know
00:42:55.240 this because we
00:42:55.960 put them through
00:42:56.560 a grinding,
00:42:57.560 grilling nomination
00:42:59.060 and confirmation
00:42:59.760 in the United
00:43:00.460 States, but we
00:43:01.440 don't do that in
00:43:02.180 Canada, do we?
00:43:04.480 In Canada, you're
00:43:05.380 basically told by
00:43:06.100 the prime minister
00:43:06.640 who the judge is.
00:43:07.260 You're told.
00:43:08.420 They have a
00:43:09.180 symbolic Q&A,
00:43:11.000 gentle Q&A session
00:43:12.060 for about an hour
00:43:12.840 in Parliament.
00:43:13.880 No one asks
00:43:14.520 anything tough.
00:43:15.080 There's no time
00:43:15.600 for background
00:43:16.060 checks.
00:43:16.700 No one would
00:43:17.140 dare bring
00:43:18.020 allegations as
00:43:18.860 were brought
00:43:19.180 against Brett
00:43:19.640 Kavanaugh.
00:43:20.660 It's all an
00:43:22.920 inside job in
00:43:24.120 Canada.
00:43:25.600 And when the
00:43:26.580 Supreme Court in
00:43:27.160 Canada issues a
00:43:27.940 ruling of extreme
00:43:29.860 social importance,
00:43:31.280 for example,
00:43:32.160 saying the
00:43:32.680 Trans Mountain
00:43:33.160 Pipeline is not
00:43:33.860 going to go ahead
00:43:34.380 because the
00:43:35.540 hundreds of days
00:43:36.440 of consultation
00:43:37.060 with Aboriginal
00:43:37.640 people, it
00:43:38.420 needed to be
00:43:38.840 200 days or
00:43:39.820 whatever.
00:43:40.840 Oh, well, the
00:43:41.380 Supreme Court
00:43:41.840 said so, so
00:43:42.620 there's no...
00:43:43.200 I mean, you saw
00:43:43.760 that the other
00:43:44.180 day when Premier
00:43:45.540 Doug Ford used
00:43:46.280 the notwithstanding
00:43:46.920 clause to shake
00:43:48.800 away a radical
00:43:49.880 judge.
00:43:50.300 How dare you?
00:43:51.600 Those judges
00:43:52.180 are saints.
00:43:52.740 No, they're not.
00:43:54.100 That's what I mean.
00:43:54.840 I think we ought
00:43:55.300 to respect any
00:43:55.940 person as we
00:43:56.940 would respect
00:43:57.360 any person.
00:43:58.280 We definitely
00:43:58.820 ought to respect
00:43:59.320 the office of
00:44:00.000 the courts and
00:44:00.740 the law itself.
00:44:02.460 But I think the
00:44:03.560 people who occupy
00:44:05.360 those offices,
00:44:06.180 especially the more
00:44:06.840 political they get,
00:44:07.740 they deserve the
00:44:08.840 same reaction from
00:44:10.360 us that we give to
00:44:11.040 other branches of
00:44:11.780 the government like
00:44:12.680 our elected
00:44:13.260 politicians.
00:44:14.920 On my interview
00:44:15.540 with David Menzies,
00:44:16.520 Marty writes,
00:44:18.140 David said in the
00:44:18.680 interview that he
00:44:19.180 would have liked to
00:44:20.020 have seen a person
00:44:20.920 with a patriotic view
00:44:22.140 and denounce
00:44:22.580 the real law.
00:44:23.100 David, I have news
00:44:24.060 for you, there is
00:44:24.500 no patriotism left
00:44:25.420 in our Canada.
00:44:27.300 Well, I think that's
00:44:28.040 wrong.
00:44:28.940 I know there is
00:44:29.600 patriotism.
00:44:30.600 I see it gently
00:44:31.700 sometimes, whether it's
00:44:32.620 just a Canadian flag.
00:44:34.180 I see it deeply
00:44:35.100 sometimes.
00:44:37.040 Visit a Legion
00:44:37.800 Hall, you'll see it.
00:44:39.000 But I think you're
00:44:39.660 right, it's been
00:44:40.120 chased out of the
00:44:40.800 public arena.
00:44:41.440 I mean, for God's
00:44:41.880 sakes, we just
00:44:42.320 stripped a statue of
00:44:43.820 John A. MacDonald
00:44:44.400 down from the
00:44:45.120 City Hall in
00:44:45.740 Victoria, and
00:44:46.780 Justin Trudeau just
00:44:47.720 took John A. MacDonald
00:44:48.540 off your $10 bill,
00:44:49.640 and I didn't hear
00:44:50.220 squawk anywhere.
00:44:51.180 To be candid, we
00:44:51.800 didn't even squawk
00:44:52.500 about it.
00:44:54.220 Dan writes,
00:44:55.800 please stop doing
00:44:56.440 such wonderful
00:44:57.000 things with my
00:44:57.580 donation money that
00:44:58.360 make me very happy.
00:45:00.140 At some point, I'd
00:45:00.900 like to blow it on
00:45:01.520 a case of beer or
00:45:02.160 some magic beans
00:45:03.000 instead of your
00:45:03.860 plethora of worthy
00:45:04.640 causes.
00:45:05.300 Yes, this is satire.
00:45:06.260 Thanks so much for
00:45:06.820 putting Rebel
00:45:07.580 supporters' donation
00:45:08.320 money to such good
00:45:09.040 use.
00:45:09.560 Well, thanks very
00:45:10.140 much, Dan, and I
00:45:11.220 think you might be
00:45:11.920 talking about the
00:45:12.640 truck that David did,
00:45:14.120 that Linda Sars
00:45:14.880 to a truck.
00:45:15.900 Who knows?
00:45:16.720 We do different
00:45:17.480 projects all the
00:45:18.180 time.
00:45:18.960 Some of them are
00:45:19.500 tiny.
00:45:20.780 Some of them are
00:45:21.280 big.
00:45:22.080 Some of them fail.
00:45:23.040 Let's be honest.
00:45:23.700 Some of them don't
00:45:24.320 work.
00:45:24.920 We've probably done
00:45:25.600 100 projects in the
00:45:27.140 three and a half years
00:45:27.800 we've been around here.
00:45:28.580 I'd say that's about
00:45:29.280 right.
00:45:29.580 One every 10 days.
00:45:30.620 We're trying to do
00:45:33.000 some in the UK.
00:45:33.920 We even did some in
00:45:34.740 Australia way back.
00:45:35.840 We did one or two in
00:45:37.040 America.
00:45:38.520 You know, journalist
00:45:40.300 advocacy, advocacy
00:45:41.380 journalism, a little bit
00:45:42.480 of troublemaking, a little
00:45:43.480 bit of mucking things up.
00:45:45.000 This petition that Tommy's
00:45:46.380 doing with us,
00:45:47.920 StandWithOurLabs.com,
00:45:49.260 100,000 people sign that
00:45:51.280 in 24 hours.
00:45:52.460 That tells me that we're
00:45:53.400 meeting a demand.
00:45:54.580 People can't get that
00:45:55.660 action anywhere else,
00:45:56.500 certainly not from the
00:45:57.180 state broadcaster, either
00:45:58.500 the CBC here or the BBC
00:45:59.960 there.
00:46:00.340 So thank you for your
00:46:01.360 kind words and thank you
00:46:02.360 for chipping into our
00:46:03.520 projects.
00:46:04.000 Hopefully you have found
00:46:05.280 them meaningful and it
00:46:06.020 sounds like you have.
00:46:07.960 That's our show for today.
00:46:09.060 Until tomorrow, on behalf
00:46:10.500 of all of us here at
00:46:11.180 Rebel World Headquarters,
00:46:12.040 see you at home.
00:46:12.800 Good night and keep
00:46:14.100 fighting for freedom.