Rebel News Podcast - All about Canada's fossil fuel-killing Bill C-12

00:00:00.960 Oh, hello, Rebels. You're listening to a free audio-only recording of my weekly Wednesday night show, The Gun Show.

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00:00:20.540 Tonight, my guest is Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science, and we're talking about so much, including Keystone XL, but we're also talking about the Liberals' new net zero by 2050 legislation, Bill C-12.

00:00:34.800 This thing will basically outlaw the majority of the Alberta economy, I guess, the majority of the economy that remains these days.

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00:01:54.000 ...use the distraction of the coronavirus pandemic to introduce a new law that would basically outlaw Alberta's economy.

00:02:03.900 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and yes, you are watching The Gunn Show.

00:02:08.240 Oh, hi, everybody. This is not the normal studio, obviously.

00:02:27.800 This is the inside of my Jeep because I've spent the last few weeks working on our largest civil liberties project to date,

00:02:35.360 something called FightTheFines.com.

00:02:38.640 Now, that project has taken me all over Alberta, from Smith to today in Hanna, Alberta.

00:02:44.800 I'm helping fight for freedom, one lockdown ticket at a time, at no cost to the recipient of the ticket,

00:02:51.140 with the support of viewers and donors at FightTheFines.com.

00:02:55.700 We connect people with top civil liberties lawyers and criminal lawyers to help them fight their lockdown tickets in court.

00:03:02.020 Now, today I'm here in Hanna helping a local bar called the Tipsy Cow Bar with their lockdown ticket.

00:03:09.220 And I think it's particularly providential that I'm here in this coal mining town filming an intro for The Gunn Show

00:03:16.520 about my discussion that I had earlier in the week with Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science

00:03:21.060 about a whole host of things, as I normally do on the show, including Keystone XL.

00:03:25.520 But we also talk about Bill C-12.

00:03:28.940 Now, Bill C-12 is the Liberals' new net zero emissions by 2050 legislation.

00:03:35.840 It was introduced at the end of 2020, just as the world was locking back down.

00:03:42.700 And it puts the Liberals' pursuit of no new oil and gas or coal mining projects in Alberta into law.

00:03:51.260 It will basically outlaw the majority of Alberta's economy.

00:03:55.980 And no one is talking about it.

00:03:58.880 Our politicians, conservative or otherwise, are too busy locking us down and taking away our civil liberties.

00:04:05.260 To fight for our jobs.

00:04:07.700 Well, the jobs that remain, I guess.

00:04:10.520 So please check out my interview I recorded earlier in the week when I was at home,

00:04:15.060 however briefly that was, with Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science.

00:04:19.360 Joining me now from her home in Calgary is my friend and good friend of the show, Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science.

00:04:41.020 Michelle, thanks for taking the time on this frigid February day to join me.

00:04:47.000 Have fossil fuels never been more necessary than they are these days to keep us alive, hey?

00:04:54.680 No kidding.

00:04:55.820 Thanks for having me on the show.

00:04:57.140 Yes, I had a look at the Alberta Electric System Operators website this morning and

00:05:01.660 wind was putting out 60 megawatts, which is not enough to keep anybody warm.

00:05:06.740 So, and solar wasn't active at all because it was before sunrise.

00:05:10.160 So, yeah, we need fossil fuels.

00:05:13.600 I think we were importing a lot from BC and Montana.

00:05:16.720 So, coal from Montana, hydro from BC.

00:05:19.160 Good to have great neighbours.

00:05:20.560 Thank you.

00:05:21.320 And Saskatchewan too.

00:05:23.280 Yeah, it's funny how there's this movement to get us all off coal and then we have to import coal-fired electricity

00:05:28.660 from Montana just to keep us from dying when it's minus 43.

00:05:32.860 By the way, thank you, fossil fuel workers, for keeping us from freezing to death over these last few weeks.

00:05:39.400 Michelle, I wanted to talk to you about the inquiry into foreign funding and foreign-funded attacks on Alberta's oil and gas sector

00:05:50.980 and this movement to landlock oil and gas.

00:05:53.420 The lefties are working really hard to shut this inquiry down and it seems to be that if you have nothing to hide, then you hide nothing.

00:06:03.700 You should be able to participate in these, I suppose, airing of the grievances.

00:06:09.080 But they really want this thing nipped in the bud right away before any of their, I think, potentially nefarious activities come to light.

00:06:17.780 Well, yes, I think one of the more popular commentators across Canada cited in the press was Martin Olszinski,

00:06:28.120 who's a professor at the University of Calgary.

00:06:30.380 It's his associate law professor.

00:06:32.820 And he was quite mocking of the initial reports that the inquiry had released

00:06:39.220 because some of them dealt with the fact that climate change is being used as an umbrella

00:06:46.220 to literally upturn society, get everyone off fossil fuels.

00:06:52.040 And honestly, don't people know how things are made?

00:06:55.160 Like every wind and solar device is made from oil, natural gas and coal.

00:06:59.500 So that's just a fact.

00:07:01.000 We don't have replacement alternative energy other than nuclear,

00:07:05.140 which also is made from oil, natural gas and coal.

00:07:09.220 But going back to Martin's blog post on the AB log post,

00:07:15.220 he posted quite an extensive rebuttal, denigrating the author historian Tammy Nemeth

00:07:25.720 and claiming that these were conspiracy theories

00:07:30.020 and also claiming that the courts had already tested climate change

00:07:35.260 and gave a few references.

00:07:37.120 But that's not true.

00:07:38.640 So I wrote a rebuttal and posted it on our blog.

00:07:42.920 And also after I posted it,

00:07:45.480 I kind of went along with his view that the courts had tested climate change

00:07:50.300 because I read his blog and thought, well, yeah, okay, here he's giving some references.

00:07:54.960 But some legal experts pointed out to me that the courts have never tested climate change.

00:08:00.620 And what he'd actually been referring to is what's known as obiter dicta or the commentary that surrounds a case,

00:08:09.920 meaning that one side might have said, oh, well, you know, these children are suffering because climate change is threatening their lives

00:08:18.120 and they're afraid for their future and they're afraid for their future and it's uncontested that this may be an existential threat.

00:08:25.120 So that simply means that the lawyers on the other side said, you know what, we're just going to accept what you put there because the case is actually about the constitutionality.

00:08:36.240 This is the Alberta challenge, right?

00:08:41.080 It's not about climate change.

00:08:43.440 So when I found that out, I did a video showing that, you know, I'd made a mistake and then in fact, he was misleading the public.

00:08:55.480 Now, I think that's pretty serious for a law professor to mislead the public in that way.

00:09:01.560 So I hope people will look into that and think about that.

00:09:04.500 You know, that's one of the, I think, mistakes that we might make on our side of the debate is sometimes we have the tendency to take the other side at the word,

00:09:16.960 that we think that sometimes they're just wrong on the issue, but not purposefully misleading.

00:09:25.200 And as it turns out, you trusted that, I'm sorry, his name is Olszczynski, I think is his name, that he was, yeah, Martin Olszczynski, that he was just telling the truth, but he was misleading people on the facts.

00:09:40.100 Now, I wanted to talk to you a little, stay on, staying on the topic of the inquiry.

00:09:48.420 Seems like Ecojustice wants the whole thing shut down.

00:09:51.260 Yes, they're going to court this week, February 11th and 12th, they're going to try and quash it.

00:09:58.160 And they claim, they had a webinar last week, which was quite funny, because they claim that they're doing this to protect the fairness and freedoms of speech of people.

00:10:06.720 And if you recall, Freedom, Ecojustice is the group that tried to shut us down, have us fine thousands of dollars and thrown in jail for our billboards.

00:10:16.960 So yeah, they're really defenders of freedom of speech.

00:10:19.980 But yeah, they think that the issue is biased and, you know, it may be biased, but actually the tar sands campaign was biased.

00:10:31.000 So, you know, I wrote down some figures here that in the 2009 oil sands developers group forecast that there would be between 2010 and 2035, the oil sands would go from generating 75,000 jobs to 905,000 jobs, almost a million jobs.

00:10:50.000 And that it would generate 2.1 trillion in economic stimulus for Canada, and provide hundreds of billions of dollars in tax revenue.

00:11:00.960 So that's what we're out.

00:11:02.560 I think that people in Alberta and in Canada deserve to know who was behind these anti-Alberta campaigns, why, and where that money went, and what these actors are up to.

00:11:13.360 And I don't think that this kind of thing should go on anymore, because we're broke, we're in serious trouble.

00:11:21.440 And these guys are claiming that this is charitable activity.

00:11:24.840 So I want to ask you how charitable it is that you're putting people out of work, that you're costing taxpayers billions, trillions of dollars.

00:11:35.040 I think that we need to know.

00:11:37.140 And this idea that the inquiry is biased, I'm sorry, but I'm completely fine with that, because the Alberta government is the marketer and the stewarder of the resource that we all own.

00:11:47.540 So they're supposed to be out there defending the resource and finding ways to get it to market, make sure it's profitable, so that the owners of the resource, that's you and I, are getting the best return on our resource when it hits the market.

00:12:03.940 So yeah, if it's weighted in favor of the oil and gas industry, well, that's you and me, and I'm perfectly fine with that.

00:12:12.200 Well, you know, it's interesting when you look at, say, the Rethink Alberta campaign, they had no shame in saying Rethink Alberta, they tried to smear our tourism industry worldwide, they tried to smear potential businesses coming to set up in Alberta, you know, making them feel like,

00:12:29.500 oh, this is a crummy place to set up business, right, you know, they have any environmental standards, you know, that's a fairly serious reputational damage.

00:12:38.140 And for whatever reason, at the time, people didn't respond strongly to it.

00:12:44.360 But this carried over.

00:12:46.220 And actually, I think it was with Tammy Nemeth was talking with Danielle Smith the other day and was saying how, you know, over in the UK, where she now lives, she'd run into these people who were anti-Tar Sands activists.

00:13:03.560 And she was wondering, like, why, why, why, what are they doing here?

00:13:07.000 Where do they come from?

00:13:08.240 So, you know, it's really been a global movement, very carefully orchestrated.

00:13:12.560 And on Michael Mark's corporate ethics international website, he seems to be quite proud of it.

00:13:18.440 He said that he coordinated over 100 international groups against the Alberta oil sands.

00:13:25.220 So I think we should know.

00:13:27.320 Well, and I think it's really important for us to know who paid for all of this, because you follow the money, you find the motive.

00:13:32.620 And we've seen, I forget who it was at the United Nations, saying that the Russians were paying the anti-fracking movement in the United States.

00:13:46.100 And it makes perfect sense when you look at who stands to benefit if fracking collapses in the United States.

00:13:52.880 And it's Gazprom in Russia.

00:13:55.140 So, I mean, don't we deserve to know at least who is behind all of this?

00:14:02.420 And these anti-Alberta movements are very protective of where all that money comes from.

00:14:08.560 And also, you know, I think in Canada, probably less than Alberta, but certainly in Canada, because we're geographically removed from other world markets, we really only are aware of the United States.

00:14:20.960 We don't realize that Europe has virtually no fossil fuels.

00:14:25.860 They get most of their oil and gas from Russia.

00:14:29.360 Norway supplies a bit.

00:14:31.340 And France refines most of the stuff that comes out of the Middle East and out of Africa.

00:14:36.320 So these are our competitors.

00:14:38.740 You know, we, this is a very competitive market.

00:14:41.800 And if they can just block pipelines, great.

00:14:44.320 You know, and if you look back, I think it's a financial post in 2014, said that we had managed to evade the European Fuel Quality Directive, which was trying to label Canadian oil sands oil as dirty oil and unacceptable.

00:15:00.440 We managed to evade that.

00:15:02.220 We got a small footprint of a market in Italy.

00:15:05.620 We announced that we were going to build pipelines in all four directions.

00:15:09.400 And boom, all four of those pipelines were stopped, blocked.

00:15:14.180 So that seems pretty suspicious to me.

00:15:18.360 Yes, definitely.

00:15:19.640 Now, you have also, I mean, you just don't talk about where the money is coming from to block oil and gas.

00:15:27.520 But you, at Friends of Science, you do some pretty serious analysis of proposed green energy projects.

00:15:35.320 For example, you have a new analysis of the Carmangay solar farm and how much it costs average people like me who live nowhere near Carmangay.

00:15:45.380 And I think it's, this is particularly pertinent given that all of a sudden the city of Edmonton is pursuing this mega solar farm in the River Valley,

00:15:55.040 which makes me side with environmentalists who say stuff like, not in my backyard, on the heels of solar projects in Medicine Hat going bankrupt.

00:16:04.720 Why do municipalities keep doing this with other people's money?

00:16:09.820 Well, you know, they sign up for a power purchase agreement.

00:16:13.440 And it's something that's very hard to get rid of once you sign up.

00:16:16.200 But it virtually guarantees the success of the project.

00:16:20.780 And we have another post on our blog on that, which I can send you the link to.

00:16:27.620 But with regard to Carmangay, what's hilarious is that we're paying the 261 citizens of Carmangay a subsidy of $920 each

00:16:42.300 to have their solar farm, which they claim gives them net zero.

00:16:46.760 And aren't they proud of that?

00:16:48.980 But actually, that means the CO2 reduction emissions cost in Carmangay is $350 a ton.

00:16:57.460 But the global rate is more like about $24.

00:17:01.540 So they could have just bought carbon offset credits for $1,580 a year and saved us a whole bundle of money.

00:17:10.420 And then it still could have claimed to be net zero.

00:17:14.580 So, you know, even in the best of times in Alberta, solar generation is extremely low.

00:17:20.340 And certainly nothing that takes care of the needs that we have, especially not on a day like today.

00:17:26.100 So it's just another green boondoggle.

00:17:29.920 And it's popping up all over.

00:17:33.000 It's so incompatible with everything that I know about the people of Carmangay.

00:17:37.800 Like, you might get some buy-in in the socialist cesspit of some of the darker recesses of Edmonton.

00:17:47.060 You know, Ralph Klein said that Edmonton's a nice place with too many socialists and mosquitoes, and it's a government town.

00:17:53.580 But Carmangay, this doesn't make any sense.

00:17:55.940 Those people are so conservative.

00:17:58.720 And yet, for some reason, there's a solar farm that's plunked right there,

00:18:04.000 and they're going to be paying for it for a very long time.

00:18:06.360 We all are.

00:18:07.700 Yeah.

00:18:08.340 Yeah, we are.

00:18:09.980 Oh, it's terrible.

00:18:11.520 Go ahead.

00:18:12.520 Oh, I was just going to say, I wanted to mention that we have a new report out, speaking of net zero,

00:18:18.140 which is one that Robert Lyman wrote.

00:18:20.600 And Robert Lyman, as many of the viewers know, was a public servant in the federal government for about 27 years,

00:18:27.200 and a diplomat for 10 years.

00:18:29.180 And now he's an independent consultant.

00:18:31.040 He contributes these to us free of charge.

00:18:34.680 So he's written about BLC-12.

00:18:37.220 And this is a move by the ENGOs where they're trying to force net zero legislation into law, climate accountability law.

00:18:46.660 And this is really an impossible dream.

00:18:50.700 The reason why Canada has not met its previous targets is that they're impossible to meet without any strange new advance in technology.

00:18:59.960 So trying to make laws to force people to meet targets that are not attainable is going to be a great publicity project.

00:19:12.280 That's one way that Robert looks at it, that it's baking the idea of the necessity of reaching net zero into the public mind.

00:19:21.280 But in fact, under the Paris Agreement, there's absolutely no obligation to meet any of these targets.

00:19:29.020 There's no non-binding agreement.

00:19:30.860 There's no consequences for not meeting it.

00:19:33.260 And all the other countries in the world are not meeting any of these targets.

00:19:37.940 So, you know, this is death to industry.

00:19:41.300 It's going to create all kinds of legal issues.

00:19:46.920 And, you know, it's just really a waste of time.

00:19:51.140 And again, these ENGOs are working for somebody else's agenda.

00:19:56.340 And I think that with the Alberta Inquiry, we'll probably find out more about that as well.

00:20:01.480 So people should read this report and see what it means for Canadians because it's not good.

00:20:09.420 You know, I'm glad you touched on that because nobody seems to be talking about C12 except for Friends of Science, really.

00:20:17.600 And it is, as you say, net zero legislation.

00:20:21.340 So what they're trying to do is take those Paris target goals that everybody said, don't worry that we're signing on to the Paris Agreement because it's non-binding.

00:20:30.520 We've heard that from conservatives saying, oh, you know, it's no big deal if we support the Paris Agreement because it's non-binding.

00:20:37.580 Well, now they're trying to take those targets, make them into binding law.

00:20:42.140 And when you see something that says net zero, you should, in your mind, translate that into zero growth, zero projects going forward, and zero recovery for Alberta at all.

00:20:57.940 Right. And it also may mean, I don't know how it could be translated to individuals, but we know that George Monbiot, out of the UK, has his plan since 2006 was that people would have a personal carbon ration.

00:21:13.920 So, you know, you would be accountable for everything that you do, every flight you take, every kilometer you drive.

00:21:19.540 If you have stake, you know, you might get charged more, you might have more credits knocked off.

00:21:26.280 So, you know, these things can go to extremes that are not anticipated when you first see the legislation.

00:21:34.160 And Robert Lyman did another report earlier this year called Ballparking the Decarbonization.

00:21:40.540 Decarbonization, and he found that Canadian families, a family of four, would have a million dollars of foregone income due to the net zero program.

00:21:52.740 Wow.

00:21:53.720 They're offering you a thousand bucks return on your climate action tax, your rebate.

00:22:02.260 So, a million dollars.

00:22:05.100 So, not to mention just the general destruction of society.

00:22:08.580 It's, these are impossible dreams, and we're not getting any cost-benefit analysis from anybody on them.

00:22:15.660 Well, they say that, you know, they're going to give you more back in what you paid, which sounds like a bit of a Ponzi scheme to me.

00:22:24.860 The liberals say that all the time with a straight face.

00:22:27.260 We're going to give you more back than what you paid in.

00:22:29.680 Well, where does that come from?

00:22:30.780 Where does the extra bit come from?

00:22:32.700 They're clearly misleading the public.

00:22:34.700 But there is very little skeptical reporting on all of this, which is why I think the work that Friends of Science does is so critical.

00:22:42.740 We've seen, as you guys rightly point out here, that the Canadian Association of Journalists, they fall for this.

00:22:51.720 11,000 scientists all agree on this, so it absolutely must be true.

00:22:56.840 Journalists are falling for this, and it's not the way that they're reporting it at all, is it?

00:23:02.560 No, no, well, that's, that's quite funny, because Josh Thomas of the Spruce Grove Examiner, he also, going back to the Alberta Inquiry, he made, he wrote an op-ed really ripping the Nemeth report apart, especially on the part that journalists were being critiqued.

00:23:23.580 And he was saying, you know, journalists have an obligation to report the truth from all sides of the story.

00:23:29.060 And it's kind of like, okay, we'd love to see that.

00:23:32.300 Yeah.

00:23:33.940 Because anytime, you can start anytime now, because they're not reporting both sides of the story.

00:23:40.660 For the most part, they have become repeaters and not reporters, and we'd like to see that change.

00:23:45.480 And obviously, the media are carrying, the mainstream media are carrying along all these narratives, like most of the mainstream media in Canada have signed up for Covering Climate Now, which is with the Columbia Journalism Review, and 400 media outlets reaching 2 billion people, and they're all singing Climate Emergency.

00:24:07.000 So, we have two items that people should have a look at, one is Dr. Roy Spencer, NASA award winning scientist, stating that there's no climate emergency, and all the reasons why.

00:24:19.000 And Donna LaFramboise, investigative journalist, showing how climate activists are undermining every one of your freedoms. 1.00

00:24:26.720 So we have these two presentations on our event website, they are $15 tickets, or you can become a member of Friends of Science and your, your,

00:24:37.000 your, uh, viewing is included for both.

00:24:39.660 So, you know, it's really important that, uh, like, we've sent out press releases on these two events, and the media have not covered it at all in Canada.

00:24:49.000 So they're not reporting both sides of the story.

00:24:51.540 Well, and, and they're incentivized not to, because if you want some of those Trudeau bailout bucks, you better tow the Liberal Party line.

00:24:59.000 And we've seen these failing newspapers and these failing outlets, they get funded specifically for a climate journalist.

00:25:07.000 And so they'll get money to have a climate journalist on staff.

00:25:11.440 And if, if you're going to close up shop or lay off people or take Justin Trudeau's money for a climate journalist, they are deciding to take money for a climate journalist.

00:25:21.020 And so that's why when you are consuming the media and you think, oh, all I'm reading about is climate change.

00:25:27.260 Well, that's because they're getting money to do that.

00:25:30.200 Yeah.

00:25:30.680 Yeah.

00:25:31.240 So, uh, must be a big push for carbon offset trading and all those climate bonds that are worth trillion, trillions of dollars are probably teetering on the edge.

00:25:41.500 And so that's why the massive push, even Mark Carney is coming up with even more catastrophe notices about climate change and how it'll be worse than COVID-19.

00:25:51.880 Well, you know, you're not a scientist, you're not a climate scientist, Mark, and you're associated with, um, carbon trading companies in your past and renewables companies in your present.

00:26:04.380 So I think there's a pretty big conflict of interest there.

00:26:08.480 Yeah.

00:26:09.020 It feels a little bit like insider trading now, doesn't it?

00:26:12.520 Um, Michelle, I want to give you an opportunity to tell people how they can find the work that you do and support friends of science because you are just this little, um, organization up against the foreign funded, uh, environmental activists.

00:26:29.100 Listen, they get millions of dollars dumped their way and you guys are just, you know, it's a David and Goliath kind of story with what you're doing here.

00:26:36.960 So please tell us how we can support you.

00:26:39.780 Sure.

00:26:40.480 Um, first of all, you can share our stuff.

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00:27:26.340 Uh, more is better, but, uh, we know these are difficult times for everybody.

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00:27:33.600 And if you can't give financial help, please share our stuff.

00:27:37.900 Well, Michelle, I think the work that Friends of Science does is so valuable because you take these big complex ideas where it feels like it's just a tangled ball of yarn.

00:27:48.260 And you break it down into digestible pieces that normal people like me can take out into the world and use as arguments against people who truly believe that the sky is falling.

00:27:58.380 So I really appreciate the work that you do.

00:28:00.080 And I want to thank you for coming on the show.

00:28:02.440 Um, and, uh, we'll have you back on again, very, very soon.

00:28:06.600 Okay.

00:28:06.760 Okay.

00:28:07.160 Thanks, Sheila.

00:28:07.820 Have a great day.

00:28:08.540 And thanks to all of the viewers, all the best to everyone in 2021.

00:28:13.060 Let's hope this is a much better year.

00:28:15.000 Me too.

00:28:15.520 Thanks.

00:28:23.200 Let's imagine for a moment if the Liberals were mandating an end to the Ontario auto manufacturing sector or the Quebec maple syrup cartel or the entire East Coast fishery.

00:28:34.060 Well, that's what Bill C-12 stands to do to the Western natural resource-based economy.

00:28:40.060 And if our Western-based politicians could just set aside their own attacks on our civil liberties for just a minute, maybe they could take the fight in defense of whatever jobs remain around here back to Ottawa.

00:28:53.900 Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.

00:28:55.540 Thank you so much for tuning in.

00:28:57.340 I'll see everybody back here.

00:28:59.160 Well, wherever I might be at this time next week.

00:29:02.960 And remember, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.

00:29:07.020 We'll see you next week.

Rebel News Podcast - February 11, 2021

All about Canada's fossil fuel-killing Bill C-12

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