Rebel News Podcast - America's energy industry fights back against the same environmentalists keeping Canadian oil landlocked

00:00:00.000 Hello Rebels, I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're listening to a free audio-only recording of my

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00:01:01.920 a dime. And now please enjoy this free audio-only version of my show. Canadians rightly blame 1.00

00:01:07.360 American environmental foundations for landlocking our oil and gas, but we have not been their only

00:01:14.320 target. I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:01:26.340 Like so many Canadians, I pay close attention to American politics. I care deeply about pipelines

00:01:41.360 and so it matters deeply to me that America has a president in the White House who will resist any

00:01:47.020 and all calls to block Canadian pipelines. And because of this, I pay close attention to something

00:01:53.400 called the Congressional Western Caucus. They're a group, they say, of bipartisan legislators who

00:02:00.300 work together to advance six main objectives. It's agriculture and forestry, local control

00:02:06.640 of Americans' lives and American resources, ensuring that Americans still have access to public lands for

00:02:12.820 hunting and fishing. The group of legislatures also care about private property rights, water rights,

00:02:17.880 and one of my favorite things, energy security. They're the American legislators fighting big

00:02:24.260 government overreach and environmental activism in small communities. And they've got a real problem

00:02:31.000 with foreign meddling in their energy sector too. The same names even come up. Just recently,

00:02:38.560 the Western Caucus accused the Wilderness Committee of attempting to block America's access to its own

00:02:45.560 uranium, which would only help Russia. The Wilderness Committee has been a part of the campaign to

00:02:53.100 landlock Canada's oil and gas for a very long time, thus giving our far less ethical market competitors

00:03:00.620 like OPEX, Venezuela, and Saudi Arabia a leg up. These people are environmental mercenaries and they

00:03:08.520 don't care who they help as long as they block development. Now, last weekend, I was at Danny

00:03:15.040 Hozak's incredible Freedom Talk Conference in Red Deer. And the guys from the Committee for a

00:03:20.840 Constructive Tomorrow were there too to give an American perspective on the tentacles of the green

00:03:27.900 movement reaching into your life. So this is the interview I recorded last Saturday with my friend

00:03:33.960 Craig Rucker from CFACT after the Freedom Talk Conference all wrapped up.

00:03:45.040 So joining me now is Craig Rucker from CFACT. You're a new face to, I think, at least the gun show viewers.

00:04:00.840 Why don't you tell us a little bit about CFACT, what your focus is? I understand from some of the media

00:04:06.740 coverage about CFACT that you guys are evil climate deniers.

00:04:10.080 Oh, we don't like to look at, we call ourselves climate realists. But yes, we are an organization

00:04:16.240 that's been around since 1985. We work on issues of environment and development. We have several

00:04:21.440 programs that have made us, given us some notoriety. One of them is we run Mark Morano's Climate Depot

00:04:26.780 News and Information Service.

00:04:28.380 Oh, I hear he's evil.

00:04:29.760 Ah, yeah. On an individual level at times. No, he's actually a very likable guy.

00:04:34.760 And anyway, so we do call out the truth when the UN shouts climate alarm. We try to set them

00:04:41.400 straight. We also work in colleges and universities, have a collegians program. Our ultimate aim is to

00:04:46.360 try to win back the environmental movement for those who are libertarian, free market, conservatives.

00:04:51.220 We think it's been hijacked by those on the left. And we would like to see it return properly

00:04:56.260 to our side of the political spectrum.

00:04:58.800 Now, you are here in Red Deer. So you're in the heart of, I guess, Canada's Texas. Are we as

00:05:06.760 gross and disgusting here as the environmentalist movement would have you believe? Like, is it 0.99

00:05:12.960 as dirty and gross here as the Greta Thunbergs of the world would have you believe Alberta is? 1.00

00:05:17.960 No, je pense Alberta est très belle Provence. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm not. 0.98

00:05:22.280 Yeah, we don't speak. No, don't you dare.

00:05:25.980 I know that. I know Canada enough to know you don't speak French, but I couldn't resist. 0.54

00:05:30.220 Anyway, no, I think Alberta is our superhero province. In fact, if you ever did wind up wanting

00:05:36.720 to secede from Canada, welcome to the United States. I mean, I'd love to have you. But yes,

00:05:41.640 it's like the Texas of the United States. The people I meet here and I've gotten to know here

00:05:45.500 really could fit in anywhere in the Midwest in the United States in terms of their political

00:05:49.840 philosophy, just the way they live. It's great. Well, and it's funny because we are at a conference

00:05:56.500 where people are discussing what going forward in Canada looks like for Alberta. And that's my

00:06:03.180 number one argument is that our economic troubles stem from our cultural divide from the rest of the

00:06:09.860 country. I think we're more culturally aligned with our friends to the south of us with

00:06:15.320 regard to issues of climate change, gun rights, how our economy is built. So Alberta, largely

00:06:22.460 agricultural, petrochemical, and the rest of the country looks down on those things. There's a huge

00:06:28.540 cultural divide. And, you know, it's great to hear an American say, you know, we're very much like you

00:06:35.740 because as a Canadian, I feel like I'm very much like you and not at all like a Torontonian.

00:06:40.220 With a few things, eh? I do think that you, yeah, there you go. There are a couple of things that

00:06:45.520 maybe language-wise are a little different, but no, on balance, I think you are correct. I think

00:06:50.080 that really you culturally are very similar. I don't feel a whole lot different when I visit

00:06:54.860 Alberta than I do in visiting many of the American states that are conservative. I would say that the

00:07:01.240 one personality quirk that I was talking about was the, well, of course you like hockey as opposed

00:07:08.320 to baseball and football and that sort of things. We like hockey too, more regionally. But I would

00:07:12.240 say the other thing is, is a temperament. When I first came here a few years ago, and I've been

00:07:17.260 invited to about four or five conferences since, I was saying, you know, you guys got to fight. You

00:07:22.020 guys got to be a little bit more like Trump, I guess you could say, in your face, get it, get down,

00:07:26.540 you know, the way you are, Sheila, when you want to, exactly. But now when I come back and I was just

00:07:32.220 invited to this, now they're talking about quitting Canada entirely and going, becoming their own

00:07:37.020 sovereign state. It's almost like they took my advice and went, wow, I was impressed. You guys

00:07:40.720 really took this very far. Now you want to succeed. But I do like the attitude, the sass. I think that 0.97

00:07:47.280 this is good. You're feeling your oats here and whether or not they succeed in that, you know, to me is

00:07:51.800 less important than the fact that you are not putting up with it anymore. Yeah. We've

00:07:56.520 had enough of this and things are going to change. Now, you talked about it in your speech

00:08:03.420 here tonight, which is very well received by the crowd, by the way. I think you are experiencing,

00:08:08.820 you talked about the green meddling in the Alberta economy. And I think, you know, for us,

00:08:14.740 the foreign meddling is coming from these large American environmental groups who are trying

00:08:20.360 to landlock Alberta's oil and gas. And I think you're experiencing a lot of the same things

00:08:26.420 here in the United States with the opposition to fracking. And I was on the CFACT website

00:08:33.320 actually earlier today. And, you know, with Bernie Sanders, who's come out against fracking,

00:08:40.520 and Elizabeth Warren, who's come out against fracking. For me, it looks like they're doing

00:08:45.960 the work of Putin and Gazprom. And it is funny how that is never identified in the American

00:08:52.560 mainstream media, just how utilitarian a fracking ban would be for Russia's stranglehold on Eastern

00:09:03.400 Europe. Oh, yeah. There's been some work done by my organization and others on the following of

00:09:08.560 Russian money through the Sea Change Foundation a few years ago. And it was clear, not just actually

00:09:14.860 Russia, but also China. Both those countries have a vested interest in America not becoming energy

00:09:20.360 independent and Canada not being energy independent. I would say that the my friends in Canada, I say

00:09:25.380 you make a mistake because I know that Vivian Krauss, I think her name is, made the comment that it was all

00:09:30.060 a result of American NGOs, you know, getting into Canada. That's probably true. But we're not a unified

00:09:36.660 country in this. A lot of these NGOs that are doing this are more globalist in their perspective. And

00:09:42.580 they're the same enemies we're fighting in the United States on the fracking front and on all sorts

00:09:46.960 of things. So I think their perspective is less some loyalty to the United States than liberals find

00:09:52.340 the United States a good place to charter and not be taxed. And all the things they like about

00:09:56.200 conservatism, they plant themselves in the United States, but then do their mischief in Canada and

00:10:00.880 other places. So my hope is I can tell my Canadian friends, don't take it personally. It's not us.

00:10:05.460 It's just some globalist NGOs that are using us as a staging ground to attack you and us.

00:10:12.160 Yeah, that's another thing I wanted to talk about is actually on my list of things. And I'm glad you

00:10:16.740 brought that up. These American NGOs are using America as a staging ground to attack Canada, 0.54

00:10:22.860 but they are not attacking Canada just unilaterally. You look at what's unfolding in California right

00:10:31.620 now with rolling blackouts and then the lack of forestry management that's leading to wildfires.

00:10:36.960 And then you have environmentalist Governor Newsom blaming it on climate change when it is literally

00:10:43.520 the outcome of environmentalist forestry practices. This is the end result of putting hippies in charge 0.98

00:10:52.460 of forestry. Amen. And I was going to say that you find this is a reoccurring theme with the liberal

00:10:58.200 left and with the greens in general. We had a hurricane Sandy. It wasn't even really a hurricane

00:11:01.980 tropical storm. These are frequently hit New York City in the past and they should have prepared and

00:11:09.060 they didn't prepare. So I guess as a liberal politician in New York, you're faced with one

00:11:12.740 of two things. Either I can take the blame and say we didn't prepare and we experienced, you know,

00:11:17.960 a catastrophe or better yet, I could blame the Republicans for not signing on to Paris and not

00:11:24.940 signing on to Kyoto beforehand and not stopping global. And we can blame the citizens. So same

00:11:32.220 with California wildfires. This is a trend that's going on in our country. And I think in Canada too,

00:11:36.840 it's much easier to blame the populace, blame their political opponents than take responsibility

00:11:40.820 that their own policies are what are causing these catastrophes. Yeah. I mean, we saw that unfolding

00:11:45.920 in British Columbia earlier this year. We had our environment and climate change minister. It must

00:11:51.760 sound weird in your ear to even have, to hear me say though, as a grown-up country, we have a minister

00:11:57.180 of climate change, but she was blaming the forest fires on climate change when they were arson. The RCMP

00:12:05.900 came out and said it was arson and it must be great to be an arsonist to have the government running

00:12:10.480 cover for you. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Well, they blame climate change on everything. They, you know,

00:12:15.120 brawl room brawl. Anxiety. Prostitution. They got all sorts of things. And in fact, if you're not in the mood,

00:12:20.760 that's also climate change to blame. So really it's become this kind of, um, it's a catch-all and

00:12:27.100 you can blame it. And, uh, you know, to me, it's kind of, it's, it would be humorous, except it's

00:12:31.860 not humorous. Yeah. Cause it's so damn expensive. Well, and I think sadly, a lot of people are

00:12:36.640 believing it. You know, I used to speak before a lot of colleges. I still do. I was just in the

00:12:40.660 university of Minnesota a few weeks ago, speaking about five, six, seven, eight years ago, when you 1.00

00:12:45.520 talked to campus conservatives, they understood Al Gore was a moron more or less. He lied. My flowers 1.00

00:12:51.180 died. Right. Sadly, the product that I'm seeing now in both libertarian and conservative students

00:12:58.160 is more, it's, it's becoming a little bit more tricky in terms of how you approach this issue

00:13:02.940 because they've been well misinformed and they think water freezes at 32, um, water boils at 212

00:13:10.240 degrees. Like we have a different system than you do in Canada, but, uh, and of course our SUVs and

00:13:16.260 our smokestacks are killing polar bears and, um, causing the ice to melt and all sorts of cataclysmic

00:13:21.860 things in the environment. So, uh, we got to almost deprogram them to a degree. They are not totally

00:13:28.340 hopeless, but it's discouraging in that regard. Now you mentioned earlier in our conversation, um,

00:13:35.220 about president Trump leaving the Paris accord. This has been, uh, a long ordeal. He said he was

00:13:41.160 going to, I think he campaigned on leaving to be quite frank. And then, um, we were actually in

00:13:46.900 Morocco together and you guys shredded the Paris accord there kicked out. Yes. Yeah. You guys took 0.87

00:13:53.860 my lav mic. I still have that. Yeah. You still have my lav mic. Um, but I guess the official withdrawal

00:14:01.440 is supposed to be the day after the 2020 election, uh, is Trump going to win? Cause that's pretty

00:14:08.600 confident. I, I, you know, and that's what everyone is asking me here in Alberta. And we

00:14:13.940 need him to win. And I'll tell you why, because he's our only hope in hell for a pipeline with 0.53

00:14:18.580 Keystone XL to cross the border. We will never get one built without him. Well, and you hear a lot of,

00:14:23.980 uh, pundits talking about this. I, I have a system where I've guessed every presidential election

00:14:29.080 since Reagan correctly. And it has nothing to do with Americans picking based on ideology,

00:14:35.300 pro-life, pro-choice, gun rights, gun, you know, high taxes, really what it comes down to. And it's

00:14:40.660 a sad commentary, but it's, it's kind of true. Just think back. It's who would you rather have a

00:14:44.840 beer with? If you can answer that question. It's not Elizabeth Warren. She's so weird and awkward.

00:14:49.440 That's I agree. So to me, it depends on who the Democrats pick. If they pick Elizabeth Warren,

00:14:54.020 we're shooing. I even think honestly, Bernie Sanders kind of Bob Dole on their side. He's kind of

00:14:58.620 angry and grumpy. I don't think he's a threat. I do think, um, Tulsi, well, Biden, who's the

00:15:05.040 front runner is he's known affectionately as uncle Joe. And people say, but he's so stupid. 1.00

00:15:09.920 I said, you know, Americans are pretty forgiving. If we can elect a groper, so can you? Yeah, 1.00

00:15:14.780 there you go. And, uh, and I think his disarming policy will make him a very formidable opponent.

00:15:20.180 Do I think Trump can beat him? Absolutely. But I, um, would prefer if the Democrats pick somebody else,

00:15:25.700 anybody, but, uh, but uncle Joe, but if it's anybody, but him, yeah, I think his, his chances

00:15:31.260 are 70, 80%. And if we see uncle Joe, what are the environmental policy? What are your predictions

00:15:39.140 for his environmental policy? Well, you know, he took a lot of flack kind of ironically,

00:15:44.220 he was treated like a Republican in many ways at some of these town hall meetings. And, uh, and to me,

00:15:48.780 I couldn't feel too sorry for him because he was, he was doing that to Republicans for a long time,

00:15:52.660 but they treated him pretty brutally because he said he was not going to ban fracking.

00:15:56.780 And, uh, he, so he, his policies are such that they may play okay in places like Pennsylvania

00:16:02.620 and Ohio. And he took criticism for it, but he held the course. So I honestly look at him. He'll

00:16:08.440 probably be a lot like Bill Clinton, not as extreme or disastrous as the others. I not saying

00:16:13.540 that's a good thing. I will not vote for him for sure. Uh, but, um, I think it would be not quite

00:16:19.220 as disastrous as if they pick somebody else. Hillary's threatening to come back. Oh, please. 1.00

00:16:26.780 Yeah. I want to sign the petition. If they can, we could send it around here and she would be a 1.00

00:16:31.820 dream come true. If she really wants to run, uh, again, using my, um, you know, paradigm as to who 0.90

00:16:37.320 we select, uh, who would you rather have a beer with? You know, I can honestly say she is so grating 1.00

00:16:41.260 on the nerves of, well, especially males. She's just a nightmare, you know, you guys at CFAC,

00:16:48.040 do you focus a lot on, um, how the UN tends to try to control our lives through climate policy,

00:16:53.980 which I really think that that's really what it's about. It's not so much about climate policy.

00:16:58.200 It's more about wealth transfer and control over my life. Um, more recently, there's been this trend

00:17:04.060 by municipalities, like it's coming from the bottom up now to make climate emergencies. Where is that

00:17:11.100 coming from? These climate emergency declarations that we see from municipalities all over the place.

00:17:16.060 It really, and I, I pointed this out in my presentation stems back to 1992. The UN took a

00:17:20.360 high road, which was through the convention on climate change, which Trump is going to pull us

00:17:24.040 out of, uh, that grew into the Kyoto protocol, which grew into the, um, Paris accord. And this

00:17:30.000 is an effort to try to force nations upfront to do it on a high top down level underneath that's the

00:17:35.920 agenda 21 stuff, which was also signed in 92 by president George H. Bush. And that is in, uh,

00:17:41.800 a local initiative, uh, funded by a lot of localities here in, um, Alberta. It's funded

00:17:47.660 by the government, civic governments of Edmonton, Calgary, and red deer are paying for ICLI councils.

00:17:53.400 And that's where it's bubbling up from. It's a, it's a one, two punch on the part of the left

00:17:57.400 top down is the Paris accord. Bottom up is the agenda 21 stuff.

00:18:02.200 Brightening. Um, now you've come all the way to red deer to bring us good tidings, but where can

00:18:09.240 people find you? And I actually was talking to, um, one of your friends here in red deer,

00:18:14.300 and she said that you guys at CFACT are working on a big project. Tell us about it.

00:18:20.200 Yes. We have, um, another movie coming out. It's called climate hustle to rise of the monarchy. Um,

00:18:27.720 our first film, which went out in 2016, uh, you did. And we want to do the same thing in, uh, Calgary

00:18:34.280 and Edmonton. It was sold out crowd. Um, we were number one in America for one night, uh, was attacked

00:18:40.400 for seven minutes by Jimmy Kimmel on, uh, what is that? Not the tonight show, but whatever his program

00:18:44.880 is in late night. And, uh, we are going to do it again this year. Our, our, our spokesman this time

00:18:49.860 is partially Mark, but we also have Kevin Sorbo. Oh, great. He's the, Hercules. You got it. He'll

00:18:56.980 be narrating this. It'll be a fun film. Uh, first one looked a lot at the science. This one's going

00:19:01.540 to take on the politics as well as the science. So we're going to look into some of the stuff you

00:19:05.600 and I've just been discussing, uh, how they're trying to create a monarchy of people who live

00:19:10.760 high on the hog, how a lot of these Hollywood actors and celebrities are living high on the hog while

00:19:15.600 telling little people to, you know, take public transportation and forego jet travel and all

00:19:21.560 that type of stuff. And they live, they're the worst spokesman for this type of movement. So

00:19:25.360 we'll show some of the hypocrisy. We'll show some of the science and we'll show what the true agenda

00:19:29.260 is, that this is, is about control. And it's a nanny state, uh, enviro, eco state that they want to

00:19:35.080 set up for us all. And, um, I think, uh, at the same time, it's highly entertaining. So, uh,

00:19:41.000 I think, uh, people will be excited by it. Well, I'm excited by it already. Now,

00:19:45.160 where can people, um, find out more about CFAC, the work you're doing? And I know, um, you've got

00:19:50.900 some books available too on your website that are quick, easy to read books that arm people with the

00:19:56.940 information they need to like take the argument out into the world. Absolutely. Well, we encourage

00:20:01.680 people to sign up at cfact.org, that's C-F-A-C-T dot O-R-G. And they'll get a free email update. Uh,

00:20:10.480 we drive almost all of our support, not from companies. It's all grassroots pretty much. We

00:20:16.080 don't have any major oil companies or any major, um, you know, Exxon mobiles or not as generous as

00:20:21.500 the left would have us believe. Oh, we're not opposed to take their money, but they have all

00:20:27.960 gone totally green. So, uh, we rely on our, our donor support almost exclusively and, um, they can

00:20:34.480 get a free newsletter updates. They can go to our cfact.org website and find that out. And also climate

00:20:39.440 depot.com. That's climate depot.com. Great. Thanks, Craig. Thanks for taking the time. And

00:20:45.320 thanks for coming up all the way to the great white North to bring us tidings from the United

00:20:49.100 States. Hey, it's been a pleasure, eh? Great. Thanks, Craig.

00:20:52.600 The guys from CFACT, Craig Rucker and Mark Morano, really are fellow travelers in the

00:21:08.600 movement to tell the truth about the United Nations and about environmentalism. But they

00:21:14.220 do it in a way that appeals to people. And I think they do it in a way that's fun. It's

00:21:18.600 much more fun to be a happy warrior than an angry one. Well, everybody, that's the show

00:21:23.480 for tonight. Thank you so much for tuning in. I'll see everybody back here in the same time

00:21:27.920 in the same place next week. And remember, don't let the government tell you that you've

00:21:31.900 had too much to think.

Rebel News Podcast - November 21, 2019

America's energy industry fights back against the same environmentalists keeping Canadian oil landlocked

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