Rebel News Podcast - ANDREW CHAPADOS ｜ Amala Ekpunobi & Lewis Brackpool： The Garbage at California's Door

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00:01:18.600 Welcome back to another glorious episode of Andrew Says.

00:01:43.060 I don't know why I said that.

00:01:43.980 Joining me today is Amala Ekpenobi, PragerU, and her own show, of course, brand new.

00:01:49.940 We're going to let her talk about that in a bit.

00:01:51.540 And Louis Brackpool, of course, Rebel News UK reporter.

00:01:54.120 Thank you both for being here.

00:01:55.260 How are you guys?

00:01:56.780 Doing well.

00:01:57.320 How are you?

00:01:58.220 I'm doing well.

00:01:59.060 Thank you, guys.

00:02:00.400 Amala, you made it into your office.

00:02:02.860 So early for you.

00:02:04.020 I'm so sorry.

00:02:05.700 In the future, just say 10 p.m., Andrew.

00:02:08.440 That's when we can do it instead.

00:02:10.180 You just started.

00:02:10.860 It gets me out of bed, at least.

00:02:11.920 Yeah, that's true.

00:02:12.720 Not me.

00:02:13.160 I'm not waking up at 7 for anything.

00:02:16.580 You just started a new show, Unapologetic.

00:02:19.660 You can see the fancy background.

00:02:21.020 You want to go to her full screen there?

00:02:24.000 It's pretty spectacular.

00:02:25.440 I'm pretty impressed.

00:02:26.320 Tell everybody why you started this show, what inspired it.

00:02:29.920 I think I told you first to start a show.

00:02:32.120 I'm going to take credit for it.

00:02:33.040 But why did you feel that you wanted to do your own show?

00:02:36.640 Yeah, well, first and foremost, it was all Andrew's idea.

00:02:39.240 Thank you.

00:02:39.620 Secondly, I used to be a former leftist, and I think about that time and reflect on it a lot.

00:02:46.180 And I think a lot about how I was influenced and who broke through to me to make me realize that maybe I'm on the wrong side of history here.

00:02:53.760 And a lot of it had to do with compassionate conservatives who were willing to go through the issues and talk about their perspective, talk about the progressive perspective, and really state their understanding as to why somebody might be progressive on these issues.

00:03:07.180 But work their way over to that conservative side and sort of explain why it's a little bit more logical and maybe a little bit more fulfilling to be on that end of things.

00:03:15.100 And I thought I could do that.

00:03:16.880 And certainly, I think looking at the younger generation right now, both in the U.S. and Canada and worldwide, we need younger people talking about these things because that's who's truly getting captured by the progressive left in all of this.

00:03:30.140 Something I've noticed, especially with yourself, Will Witt, people like John Doyle, and something I've been trying to do is not self-censor myself.

00:03:37.920 And I feel like a lot of people, let's say, in our sphere of politics have been trying to do their best to be completely honest, unapologetic, you might even say, and just, you know, really – sorry about that – and really just put the point across and not have to self-censor ourselves.

00:03:54.520 Is that something you're going for? Because I know you're getting a lot of backlash from maybe the right places, but we'll get into that in a bit.

00:04:00.740 But is that something you're trying to tell yourself with your show is to not, you know, cut any corners or self-censor yourself?

00:04:06.240 Oh, absolutely. I think honesty is truly the best policy in standing by your values.

00:04:11.480 Of course, if somebody brings an argument or some evidence that proves me wrong, I also don't want to self-censor in that way.

00:04:18.200 I want to admit, hey, I don't know what we're talking about right now, or I'm not as well-versed in this topic yet, let me do some research, or, you know, I was wrong about something that I said prior.

00:04:28.240 And people are not doing that anymore.

00:04:31.200 It's become abundantly clear that everybody is just comfortable coming at all of these topics as confidently as possible and acting like they're an expert on any given topic on any given day.

00:04:40.780 And I don't want to be that type of person. I really just want to be honest with myself, honest with the people who are watching.

00:04:48.360 And I think honest conversations like that and true dialogue is going to be what breaks through much of the polarity and divisiveness that we're experiencing right now.

00:04:57.980 Lewis, as a notoriously polite person, do you think it's time to finally, you know, start to not pull any punches?

00:05:05.280 Let's not say we're not Donald Trump, where we just want to call, I would never say he's short and fat.

00:05:10.780 I would never say something like that, as Trump said about Kim Jong-un.

00:05:13.820 But is it time to start being, I don't want to say unapologetic again, is it time to start, you know, stop with the self-censoring, say exactly what you mean.

00:05:24.900 And if people have a problem with it, then they can watch something else or they can bring up an argument that actually refutes what you're saying.

00:05:30.620 I think Amala touched on something that's extremely important.

00:05:36.280 And what that is, is how you need to be able to say, give your honesty.

00:05:43.700 But on top of that, if you do get something wrong, you own it and you reflect on it and then you grow from it.

00:05:49.960 This is how you progress.

00:05:51.160 So, yeah, I think you should be unapologetic about what you say.

00:05:57.600 And I think that you should spearhead your conversation in a way that's going to enlighten people.

00:06:03.380 But if you shouldn't be scared, however, to get things wrong.

00:06:09.100 I mean, I think that's what discredits a lot of people.

00:06:12.060 I've seen a lot of commentators online, especially a lot younger commentators who decide to go on this venture and all of a sudden, if they're proved wrong, they have some kind of almost meltdown about it and they can't own up to their own discrepancy.

00:06:30.460 So, yeah, I think Amala hit the nail on the head when she said, you know, it's OK to be wrong almost and, you know, it's OK to sort of own that.

00:06:40.520 And I think that's what separates people nowadays from, say, a good reporter, a good journalist or a good commentator from the others.

00:06:48.220 You two, in particular, I think, get a lot of backlash from whichever woke leftist crowd you want to call it.

00:06:56.540 Lewis, I want to get to you in a second, because I think yours has to do with you being one of the spearheading voices in your country.

00:07:02.880 And there's not a lot of other people who are brave enough to say the stuff you're saying.

00:07:07.300 But Amala, there was something that you posted, I think, on TikTok.

00:07:11.000 You want to tell people what that was first and foremost?

00:07:14.400 Sure. So I'll make a long story very short.

00:07:16.900 I found a very prominent TikToker on the platform by the name of Dylan Mulvaney, who's happened to become very famous.

00:07:22.940 2.4 million followers all by making day in the life content about being a trans woman.

00:07:29.040 Is that the guy from his car who says day whatever is a woman?

00:07:33.400 Yeah. So Dave's 40 of being a girl, these things like that.

00:07:36.940 And even goes as far as to say, you know, I'm not going to identify as a woman because a woman is a strong term and implies maturity.

00:07:42.880 I identify as a girl.

00:07:44.880 So I found this TikToker.

00:07:47.220 I saw how many views and how many likes that they were getting, looking through the comments of just these really mostly young women supporting this and saying this is such a great ideology to uphold.

00:07:57.540 And children know who they are.

00:07:59.620 You know, the typical leftist talking points.

00:08:01.400 And I thought, OK, somebody should make a video about this.

00:08:03.600 So I went through it and was reacting to the TikToks on my podcast, even saw one where Tampax, we all know what that company is used for, has offered Dylan a sponsorship.

00:08:15.940 Oh, my God.

00:08:16.860 Which is no way.

00:08:17.920 No way.

00:08:19.420 That's mental.

00:08:21.280 Yeah, isn't it?

00:08:22.320 Isn't it?

00:08:22.940 So that's what I was thinking.

00:08:24.280 I thought this is crazy.

00:08:25.780 So I took a very respectful approach, even decided to use Dylan's proper, you know, use the pronouns that Dylan chose in my podcast.

00:08:33.780 It's to just talk to leftists and have this compassionate plea for why this is not the best route in leading your life.

00:08:41.440 And it's certainly not something that we should be teaching to children as something that's normal or going to garner you success in your life.

00:08:48.000 And, of course, Dylan caught on to this podcast, says that he did not watch it, but I would imagine he did, and made a whole video about it.

00:08:55.900 And this video has millions of views now, and the left just immediately pounced on me.

00:09:02.260 I was getting death threats. 0.98

00:09:03.980 I was getting told how much of a transphobe I was, that I should kill myself. 0.98

00:09:09.100 And, you know, just the typical cycle of a conservative being called out, and then the leftists jump on them and call them all the phobics in the east. 0.93

00:09:18.560 So that's where we're at right now with that.

00:09:22.160 Tampax, for shame.

00:09:23.260 Why do you think they respond this way, though? 0.98

00:09:26.120 Whomever the people may align with or where they fall, why do you think the response is, instead of trying to prove you wrong or thinking about it or anything, why is the response, die, amala, die? 0.99

00:09:38.460 Because whenever I see Brian Stelter say something stupid that I disagree with, I don't go and message him and email him. 0.99

00:09:44.480 What do you think is the actual motivation behind that? 0.99

00:09:46.660 Well, when I was a leftist, I found that it is very hard to make logical arguments for the things that you're saying.

00:09:54.140 So when somebody comes to the table with a logical, reasonable argument for why they believe what they believe and you have nothing to counter that, it does make you angry.

00:10:03.060 It makes you extremely defensive.

00:10:04.740 And that defensiveness just comes out because you don't want to give up that ideology, something that you've subscribed to maybe your whole life or for the past few years and something that you believe to be true.

00:10:16.140 And suddenly you're hearing somebody who is a biological woman telling you, no, wait a minute, you don't just get to claim womanhood.

00:10:24.100 And when you don't have an argument to actually fight back, it makes you very angry.

00:10:28.860 So I completely understand why people respond the way that they do.

00:10:32.320 Maybe they should reevaluate because it's not such a fun experience to go through.

00:10:37.360 But I totally get it.

00:10:38.940 Lewis, where do you think the line is between caring about these responses and not caring?

00:10:42.960 And you know me, even my own fans make fun of me, so I'm not big into caring about the tweets and everything.

00:10:49.700 But at some point, if people are telling you to go die, it's going to mount up and be like, why are these people doing this?

00:10:56.680 Where do you think the line is between taking criticism from strangers and just pushing it off to the side and saying it doesn't matter?

00:11:04.060 Where do you think that comes into play?

00:11:06.240 I mean, it's a good question.

00:11:07.600 I mean, as you know, I think I get a lot of hate for talking about various different subjects, similar to Amala's as well, with the trans debate, of course, illegal immigration, the COVID stuff.

00:11:21.920 So there is a fine line.

00:11:24.760 I think what you have to remember is social media is basically just noise.

00:11:29.440 It's like background noise.

00:11:30.660 The best way is if you are getting a lot of hate, you turn it off and you just take a break.

00:11:37.540 That's absolutely fine.

00:11:38.760 I think it's important for people to not try and let these sort of comments shower over you and affect you.

00:11:47.420 I know it's easier said than done.

00:11:48.940 There are many prominent commentators that have received so much of this horrible dialogue from random people online, coincidentally hiding behind anonymous accounts, which, you know, it says a lot about people who decide to hurl abuse from, you know, someone with a cat as like a profile picture, you know.

00:12:16.500 But listen, I try to, you know, just think it's water off the duck's back.

00:12:22.920 You know, you just you have to try and just get on with it.

00:12:25.360 And in a way, I take it in a strange stride because, like Amala said, these these people can't formulate arguments that well.

00:12:34.840 So their only way of trying to argue with someone is to try and attack them so they feel uncomfortable.

00:12:42.640 They're trying to get you to feel uncomfortable in your own skin.

00:12:46.500 So for them to message you these horrible, horrible things, if you admit defeat and if you if you start to feel almost just to cave into this defeat, you will lose.

00:13:00.340 So you have to maintain posture.

00:13:02.520 You have to maintain your confidence and you have to just keep going.

00:13:07.700 Just don't stop.

00:13:08.980 Just keep speaking your truths.

00:13:11.540 And if you are wrong, you can correct that and don't be afraid of it.

00:13:15.920 I know, like I said, it's easier said than done.

00:13:18.420 But if you keep practicing it, it will become a lot clearer in the future.

00:13:23.380 Wow.

00:13:23.880 Sesame Street needs to hire us, I think, after a segment like that.

00:13:27.340 Is there a British Sesame Street, Lewis?

00:13:31.520 Please don't ask me that.

00:13:33.720 So there is.

00:13:34.460 I just want to know, like, Elmo is there's a British Elmo.

00:13:38.000 Here we go.

00:13:38.820 Oscar the Grouch.

00:13:40.180 Yeah.

00:13:40.840 Now, there it is.

00:13:42.820 I was waiting for it.

00:13:43.760 I was waiting every single time.

00:13:45.380 I think what you what you probably find, Amala, is that, you know, Andrew likes to bully me a lot because the accent, which is fine.

00:13:52.760 So I just take it that he probably fancies me.

00:13:55.340 So, you know, I'm just going to take that.

00:13:56.940 So that's fine.

00:13:57.540 I'm going to have to email the Rebel News HR department because this is unacceptable.

00:14:01.580 Well, it is unacceptable.

00:14:03.300 Remember who gave you the idea for your show.

00:14:06.140 Has anybody has anybody reached out to you to debate like trans ideology or anything yet?

00:14:11.920 Amala?

00:14:13.140 No, it's very difficult.

00:14:14.640 I even want as far as to create a whole segment on my show called Devil's Advocate, where I bring on prominent conservatives and I debate them as a leftist because I know the talking points.

00:14:24.660 Because every time I reach out to somebody, it's either no response or no, we're not interested.

00:14:28.960 And I've even on the show said, Dylan, if you want to come on this trans TikToker, I would love to have you on. 0.52

00:14:35.080 It'll be a respectful conversation.

00:14:36.680 I will be kind and and caring in the way that we approach these topics.

00:14:40.540 But I would love to have you on to talk about it.

00:14:42.520 We will be waiting for that response.

00:14:44.380 And we'll see when that comes in.

00:14:46.020 I've even had responses from sports writers say you got.

00:14:49.240 No, I'm not debating such a hateful.

00:14:52.120 So for people on a hateful.

00:14:53.560 I'm like, you are anyways, we are now knee deep in Twitter.

00:14:59.260 I don't know, 2.0, we can call it the whole new Twitter is people's accounts that are banned are just popping up out of nowhere.

00:15:05.380 And it's really weird to me seeing the people in mainstream media and other places basically reject free speech as it is written in the U.S. Constitution.

00:15:14.920 Elon Musk saying that he basically wants it to follow the law and people have a problem with that.

00:15:19.240 I think the lady on the view said it was a white supremacist point of view to have this.

00:15:25.560 I know on CNN they said it was a party that if there's no rules at a party, is it somewhere where you want to go to?

00:15:32.480 Like what party out house party has rule like other than don't destroy the place?

00:15:37.600 You got to be out here by 730 p.m.

00:15:39.640 Where do you think Elon takes this to you guys?

00:15:43.200 Do you think we go to a place where it's, you know, you can say racist things, you can say hateful things as long as you're not breaking the law and that's going to be completely allowed?

00:15:51.680 It seems to be that way right now.

00:15:53.000 Where do you think that it slowly gets walked back?

00:15:55.340 I'll start with you, Lewis.

00:15:56.180 Well, in the UK we have a lot of different laws.

00:16:00.840 I think we're basically living in a dystopian novel over here.

00:16:04.720 So we have a new thing that's being pushed through legislation called the Online Safety Bill.

00:16:10.260 And yes, it is as horrible as it sounds, where they basically want to eradicate any kind of discourse, whether it be grotesque discourse, all the way through to just questioning efficacy of the old Vs.

00:16:29.440 And, you know, I don't want to get you, you know, censor or anything like that, Andrew.

00:16:32.800 So I'm being polite by not saying it.

00:16:36.200 Vaccines.

00:16:36.800 Sorry.

00:16:38.240 Yeah.

00:16:38.680 So, yeah.

00:16:40.620 Oh, you were thinking something else, obviously, clearly.

00:16:44.640 There we go.

00:16:45.620 Finally.

00:16:46.140 Am I the bad guy here?

00:16:47.860 You are.

00:16:49.620 But, yeah, the online safety bill anyways.

00:16:53.580 Yeah, they're trying to push through this new legislation.

00:16:56.640 It's it's it's it's quite scary, basically.

00:17:00.240 So with this new this new Twitter 2.0, if this safety bill goes through.

00:17:06.860 I mean, it it doesn't really matter what where we stand over in the UK.

00:17:11.900 Look, we don't like horrible, distasteful discourse.

00:17:16.040 But being someone who is passionate about free speech and advocates for it, it's like, you know, it's like it's like saying, do you know what?

00:17:25.100 I love food, but we should ban all junk food.

00:17:28.100 And you shouldn't for your health.

00:17:30.360 You shouldn't be having any type of junk food because I dislike it and I think it's bad for you.

00:17:35.960 And that's basically what the crux of it is.

00:17:39.660 And it's worrying.

00:17:41.120 So, yeah, I don't know.

00:17:42.620 For us in the UK, it's a bit topsy turvy.

00:17:45.680 We had non-hate crime incidents for two years where hundreds of thousands of people had police knock on their doors because they might have posted something a bit spicy on Facebook or Twitter.

00:17:58.360 So, you know, the law is pretty strange over here and it's continuing to possibly get worse.

00:18:04.920 So I'm kind of envious.

00:18:06.900 I think the the First Amendment over in America is possibly the most beautifully crafted piece of legislation I've ever seen.

00:18:15.220 So I'm pretty jealous.

00:18:17.040 I'm not going to lie to you.

00:18:17.880 I'm going to concede and say that I'm pretty jealous of that.

00:18:20.780 So as I should be indeed.

00:18:23.440 But we'll see what happens.

00:18:25.720 We'll see what happens.

00:18:26.560 But I think it's a good starting point.

00:18:28.880 And I think it's woken a lot of people up to realize that we should be having open discourse, no matter how much you disagree with it.

00:18:38.240 Omala, why do you think people are so afraid to have the ability for anyone to say whatever they want?

00:18:43.500 You can go outside in America and walk outside and scream something into the void and it's not illegal.

00:18:48.360 But why is it such a problem when it's online?

00:18:50.880 Is it because it's targeted at people or because it could be, you know, be seen as bullying?

00:18:54.880 Why do you think they have this point of view?

00:18:56.800 Well, we're in this new worldview now that life is supposed to be cushy and completely devoid of offense and nobody should ever say anything that hurts you in any way or makes you feel uncomfortable.

00:19:06.300 And we've really coddled Americans in a lot of ways and made this culture where young people especially are so sensitive to this sort of thing and they are so invested in PC culture.

00:19:20.140 So I think that's a problem for the average person who's really fighting back against somebody like Elon Musk owning Twitter.

00:19:26.360 As far as the elites are concerned and people like Brian Stelter, they're really concerned with people having freedom of speech.

00:19:33.000 I think they know the strongholds that Twitter has specifically on the American mind, on what we see, on what we're aware of, on the narrative that we subject ourselves to.

00:19:41.880 And they are not comfortable with now conservatives and even classic liberals being able to enter that space in a way that is dissident from what they've always been saying.

00:19:51.180 During COVID for the past two years, Twitter was just an arbiter for the COVID narrative and constantly posting about it, made their own COVID tab for all the news and all the CDC updates and regulations.

00:20:02.300 And now they're facing a future where that might not be the case.

00:20:05.860 And if you can get one kernel of truth amongst all the lies, people are going to find that.

00:20:10.780 I think something that would satisfy the media is if they started making announcements of Alex Jones is coming back in 10 days.

00:20:17.260 Donald Trump is coming back in 30 days.

00:20:19.220 Whomever else.

00:20:20.560 Do you guys think that Trump's going to come back, by the way?

00:20:22.680 Or I mean, I think he will.

00:20:24.760 True social isn't doing that good, I don't think.

00:20:27.160 I don't know how many how many people it has.

00:20:29.300 It's not on Android or desktop yet.

00:20:32.540 I don't have an iPhone.

00:20:33.360 So up here in Canada, we don't have iPhone.

00:20:35.960 No, I'm just kidding.

00:20:36.900 But I don't I don't have it yet.

00:20:38.680 Do you guys think he's going to come back on, Louis?

00:20:40.260 You said yes.

00:20:41.680 I believe he will.

00:20:42.840 I think he just can't stay away.

00:20:44.500 Personally, I think he he's he misses Twitter.

00:20:47.820 Come on.

00:20:48.580 Like he misses going on Twitter and doing his thing.

00:20:52.000 So I think he will cave slowly but surely.

00:20:56.880 Yeah, that's that's my view on it, because I believe that.

00:21:00.140 Yeah, he just he loves it.

00:21:03.580 He loves it so much and he misses it.

00:21:05.880 We know he misses it.

00:21:07.300 So, yeah, he's going to come back eventually.

00:21:09.420 Isn't this wouldn't this be financially or business wise, business fundamentally?

00:21:15.180 He doesn't need to worry.

00:21:16.740 He doesn't need to worry.

00:21:18.340 It would be admitting that your own platform isn't as important as the other one.

00:21:22.100 Well, he did make truth social as a response to this whole Twitter thing, at least in part.

00:21:27.420 So I think admitting that is admitting that once Twitter is back and you're able to be on it, maybe you let the whole truth social thing go and you you get back on it.

00:21:34.760 He was in his presidency putting out tweets like three in the morning and we think he doesn't want to be on Twitter anymore.

00:21:41.220 I think he's going to join and he might he might hold out for a little bit, but he'll be back.

00:21:45.540 Now he's putting out truths at three in the morning.

00:21:48.500 I don't know what it's called.

00:21:50.360 Doesn't it say I think it says post your truth, which I would fundamentally disagree with.

00:21:55.400 But I guess it's just your opinion.

00:21:56.580 I don't know.

00:21:57.280 From one president to another.

00:21:58.820 I also have written down Biden that's being reported that he might cancel all debt.

00:22:04.720 Now, I mean, I read this student debt that is I read this and I hear what can I do desperately to save myself from getting completely ruined in the the midterms and to bump my approval rating down from the low or from the low 30s up to the mid to high 30s.

00:22:21.780 Maybe I'm all tell me it isn't true.

00:22:25.560 Tell me.

00:22:26.260 Well, maybe you agree with it.

00:22:27.500 I don't know how you feel about this.

00:22:28.540 Tell me how you feel about the possibility of tomorrow we wake up and there's no shut up, Lewis.

00:22:32.720 There's no student debt.

00:22:35.120 There's no student debt.

00:22:37.040 And all of a sudden, the people who work during college, I think it would be unfair to them.

00:22:43.000 How do you feel about this?

00:22:44.820 Oh, I for one, I don't think it's going to happen.

00:22:47.040 This is just sort of this lie that we roll out every single four years to make people who are in college feel better and go and cast their votes.

00:22:53.720 So I don't think it's going to happen.

00:22:55.400 We're talking about trillions of dollars here.

00:22:57.560 And I think about 45 million Americans who still have student loan debt in this country.

00:23:01.480 Not happening.

00:23:03.240 Who's going to pay for that?

00:23:04.620 What about the parents that worked really hard to put their kids through school and pay for it?

00:23:08.820 What about the people who have already paid off their loans?

00:23:12.060 What about future Americans that have to take out student loan debt?

00:23:15.540 There's just so many insurmountable questions when it comes to canceling something like this.

00:23:20.820 And it's something that they're constantly running on.

00:23:22.880 And if this happens with Biden, I will be shocked, to say the least.

00:23:27.320 But you have to wonder how canceling out that big, massive pile of debt is going to affect the average American.

00:23:34.340 And it's just simply not fair.

00:23:36.420 Now, should we have a discussion about how expensive higher education is?

00:23:40.240 Certainly, because you have people going to school paying $50,000 a year to get a gender studies degree, which is virtually useless. 1.00

00:23:47.420 So that's a discussion we should be having, but we should not be talking canceling debt right now, especially with the rates of inflation we're experiencing.

00:23:55.400 I think it's $3 trillion something.

00:23:57.500 I don't know if, Olivia, you can quickly look that up.

00:23:59.940 But I think to add $3 trillion of debt onto the national debt immediately, it's going to have terrible consequences.

00:24:09.800 All of a sudden, it's like printing $3 trillion, because all of a sudden, people don't have to put that back in the system.

00:24:16.060 So all of a sudden, imagine you have a bank account, and you're the government, and all of a sudden, you've put a red $3.4 trillion on that.

00:24:24.160 That's going to have real negative consequences.

00:24:26.120 And I don't think the people who have student debt actually think about that.

00:24:29.960 They really want it to be all about their own struggle.

00:24:33.380 How much?

00:24:33.660 Yeah, it's 1.6.

00:24:35.180 So I was off by about 50%, but that's still a ton of money.

00:24:38.540 And I think with inflation already at what it is, it would be an insane thing to drop on the government.

00:24:44.760 But then, Lewis, and I want you to ask this question.

00:24:47.180 What about this side of the argument?

00:24:48.440 And I'm going to steal them all as devil's advocate segment here.

00:24:51.840 Devil's advocate.

00:24:54.860 The U.S. government has enough money anyways.

00:24:57.700 You know, they spend it frivolously no matter what.

00:25:01.540 Why can't they just pay for school?

00:25:03.020 If they're going to spend money on nonsense all the time, whether it's, you know, the next level of fighter jet or somebody's campaign, something like that, why can't they just spend a couple trillion dollars to make school free?

00:25:17.960 Because it just devalues everything.

00:25:19.920 And on top of this, if you think about it, right, I remember we had a similar thing here in the U.K.

00:25:27.540 Okay.

00:25:28.340 It was, oh, gosh, I think I was, I think I was about 16.

00:25:33.140 I was a communist in school, studying politics.

00:25:37.360 Yeah, I was.

00:25:38.480 You were wearing a beret by any chance?

00:25:40.600 Yeah, all of that.

00:25:41.960 With dyed hair and fingerless gloves.

00:25:44.620 We need photos.

00:25:45.900 Do we have photos of this?

00:25:46.940 Oh, we do, we do.

00:25:48.020 No, I've wiped them clean.

00:25:50.300 Your mother has photos.

00:25:52.220 Probably somewhere.

00:25:53.960 But I went to my first protest and it was the cancellation of, well, it was completely scrapping the student tuition fees, student loans.

00:26:05.140 And it's funny that because when you bring, when you take a loan out of a bank, you're expected to pay it back.

00:26:11.280 And that's kind of just how it works.

00:26:13.880 So suddenly for students, it's, oh, I regret doing my gender studies assignment back in 2000 and whatever.

00:26:23.580 And, yeah, I regret doing that.

00:26:25.440 So I think that I shouldn't have to pay that back now.

00:26:27.700 And can we just wipe that clean?

00:26:29.400 I'm sorry.

00:26:29.860 That's just not how the real world works.

00:26:31.560 And the fact that this, well, the Biden administration has come out and said, yeah, we're going to propose to, of course, scrap this is absolutely dreadful.

00:26:41.340 I mean, you can't just, like you said, you can't just keep adding debt to what you already have.

00:26:46.980 That's literally, it's going to devalue.

00:26:48.900 It's going to, it's just going to be a total mess.

00:26:51.800 Remember, cost of living is up, as it is, everywhere in the West as well.

00:26:56.700 Inflation is high everywhere.

00:26:58.540 I mean, over here, our cost, not our cost of living, but our standards of living has reached a pinnacle low.

00:27:06.900 So, you know, I can only assume that it's happening over in America as well.

00:27:13.340 So, yeah, I'm sorry.

00:27:15.020 I just don't buy the argument that it's just, you know, it's for a greater good or a better cause.

00:27:20.200 It just doesn't make sense, in my view.

00:27:22.840 Yeah, cancel a car loan debt first.

00:27:26.700 Yeah, let's do that.

00:27:27.640 And insurance.

00:27:28.460 Why not?

00:27:29.080 Lewis, cars are things we drive on the roads here in North America.

00:27:31.920 Oh, sorry.

00:27:32.700 I'm used to driving wagons, mate, over here.

00:27:35.300 So, you know.

00:27:37.120 Amal, were you going to say something on that?

00:27:39.040 Yeah, I was just going to say the same thing.

00:27:40.680 Imagine this being a discussion we're having surrounding any other form of debt.

00:27:44.580 Imagine saying, well, if you bought that house, you couldn't afford it.

00:27:46.760 If you signed up for that loan for that car that, you know, you don't want anymore,

00:27:49.880 or that you regret buying, we're going to go ahead and cancel that for you.

00:27:52.800 It sets a very, very uneasy precedent, and we should not be having these discussions.

00:27:57.780 Well, back in independent YouTube days of Andrew, I did some interviews regarding should school

00:28:04.660 be free, and I interviewed a couple of people from Egypt where they said university was free

00:28:10.340 or covered by the government, I should say.

00:28:12.800 And they said it completely devalued the degrees and the diplomas you got because you get something

00:28:19.160 that's, you know, a hot course or something.

00:28:21.480 Like here, it would have been like nursing or dental assistant or something like that.

00:28:25.580 And all of a sudden, 300,000 people go out and get a degree, and it doesn't mean anything

00:28:30.200 before, and you still don't get a job.

00:28:32.040 So when people are, it sounded like when people are just being handed the opportunity to get

00:28:37.080 a free education, and there's not this intrinsic risk of, should I spend money on this, or do

00:28:42.860 I have to work hard to get it, or do I have to go into debt?

00:28:45.160 It completely devalues it.

00:28:47.060 And having said that, when you do that for young people who are 18 and 19, myself included,

00:28:52.460 most people, I think, don't go into the field for which they first apply to college or university.

00:28:58.520 My first thing was radio broadcasting.

00:29:00.700 I'm sort of in broadcasting now, but I didn't go to a radio station in Saskatoon like I was supposed to do.

00:29:07.640 So a lot of people switch their major, I guess you would call it, or their program,

00:29:13.800 and then the government pays for that.

00:29:15.600 So now all of a sudden, we're paying for $30,000 the first year, and then four more years or something else

00:29:21.400 at $50,000 a year, however much it is.

00:29:24.340 And if anybody can just do that for free at taxpayers' expenses,

00:29:28.640 whilst probably not paying taxes from having a job, because why would you?

00:29:32.400 The school's paid for.

00:29:33.860 Now we're getting to, what, at least $100,000 per person once they hit the age of 18.

00:29:39.920 That's even more debt that we can't handle.

00:29:42.320 And we've seen, and to my own counterpoint argument of America's got so much money anyways,

00:29:49.160 once you start piling this on and on, there's not going to be any money.

00:29:52.560 We're already seeing it here in Canada.

00:29:54.900 They're trying to get us to spend more money.

00:29:56.540 An article came out the other day and said, well, people have so much money that's all

00:29:59.540 being printed, they don't know what to do with it.

00:30:01.540 It's because it doesn't, it's not worth it anything.

00:30:04.800 So if you keep piling on this debt, the only way is it for it to, the only thing for it

00:30:10.140 to do is to implode.

00:30:11.520 And you've got to have some sort of revolution, like they might have in Venezuela, which they're

00:30:17.380 now, and who's the country doing Bitcoin now with all the gangs?

00:30:23.360 We know which one that is, of course, off the top of our heads.

00:30:26.200 And then Turkey had this happen too.

00:30:29.060 El Salvador, Lewis and Amala, come on, you guys got to help me out here.

00:30:32.320 Thank you.

00:30:32.880 Okay.

00:30:33.560 Yeah.

00:30:34.020 All right.

00:30:34.660 I'm on the same page.

00:30:35.840 Yeah.

00:30:36.060 I was like, totally there.

00:30:37.920 Totally there, guys.

00:30:38.840 Thank you.

00:30:39.680 I want to move behind the paywall for another segment or six.

00:30:43.540 You guys can go to rebelnewsplus.com for just $8 a month.

00:30:47.400 I cost less than Netflix, of course, Ezra, Sheila, all the other shows.

00:30:51.880 Don't laugh, Lewis.

00:30:52.500 It's true.

00:30:53.500 And everybody, you know what, you guys, this is my show.

00:30:56.920 Okay. 0.99

00:30:57.700 You sit in the background, you sit on your sides and you shut up. 0.85

00:31:02.480 No, I can't be that mean to Amala.

00:31:03.900 Only Lewis.

00:31:04.980 Okay.

00:31:05.260 If I can get you guys wrangled back under control, please.

00:31:08.900 If you guys think you can handle it.

00:31:11.200 What people, I think, want me to ask you, Amala, is why are we still in California?

00:31:17.460 Do we think it's worth saving?

00:31:19.180 I think I asked you this like three or four months ago, but I want an updated answer.

00:31:23.340 Well, the update is that it's gotten worse.

00:31:25.280 Okay.

00:31:25.600 Where there was homeless people maybe six blocks away from my apartment, now they're right outside

00:31:30.300 the front door.

00:31:31.960 And, you know, I struggle here because I like to be optimistic about these things, and I feel

00:31:38.020 as though Californians, even the progressive ones, cannot go on spending this amount of

00:31:42.940 money to live here and not recognize how just completely degraded their whole state is.

00:31:50.280 So I have faith that maybe people are going to wake up when they're walking out and there's

00:31:54.520 human feces right outside their front door.

00:31:56.440 Maybe.

00:31:57.040 Maybe that helps people.

00:31:58.480 Maybe that makes them realize.

00:32:00.660 But I'm really here, and PragerU is really here because we're in the hot seat of where all

00:32:06.760 this progressive policy is being drummed up.

00:32:08.840 We're the first ones to see the leftist campaigns that soon spread to the rest of the world.

00:32:13.220 And truly, to wake up every day in this garbage can makes you very, very passionate about the

00:32:20.600 work that you do.

00:32:21.540 The fight is right in front of you.

00:32:23.760 Show idea again.

00:32:25.200 Canary in the coal mine with Amala at Penobi.

00:32:28.500 That's beautiful.

00:32:29.400 That's basically what it is, though.

00:32:30.800 And I applaud that.

00:32:32.280 Lewis, do you think, do you want to gauge how bad it is for where you are?

00:32:36.540 Do you have any thoughts about leaving ever?

00:32:38.840 I know this is like, tell me, son, what you want to do one day.

00:32:42.360 But I mean, I think about it almost every day of when I see the new policies coming out,

00:32:49.300 the debt, the price of gas, which, again, is something we put in our motorized vehicles.

00:32:54.880 Is there a desire you have to leave?

00:32:57.240 Or are you more of a, along the same lines as Amala, you need to stay and make things better

00:33:01.700 or at least warn people of what's coming?

00:33:03.780 Um, there's a bit of both.

00:33:06.380 I mean, if I could, I'd pack up and move to Texas if I could.

00:33:10.200 And I'd like to at one point in my life.

00:33:12.440 I think that's a little goal of mine, maybe at some point.

00:33:16.420 But yeah, there is there is a bit of that there.

00:33:19.120 There's a bit of I want to try and help here.

00:33:22.400 I want to try and, you know, wake people up and shake their heads and say, look, this is

00:33:26.580 what this is what's happening from many, many different subjects.

00:33:29.880 Um, sometimes it feels like a lost cause.

00:33:32.640 I mean, just down the road for me is Brighton, which is basically the Portland of the UK.

00:33:38.160 And, uh, there's, there's, it's just, there's no going back, um, with, with that place.

00:33:43.460 So, you know, there's some, there's some places where it's kind of like a lost cause.

00:33:48.620 Almost.

00:33:49.000 You just go, right.

00:33:49.960 Well, just, you have to almost just let them get on with it and use them as an example of

00:33:54.900 why things shouldn't be run like.

00:33:56.860 Um, and I'm sure Amala is, as the same, um, with places in America, um, where it's kind

00:34:04.260 of just like, this is how this is their policies.

00:34:07.420 This is what they're trying to implement and look how it's going.

00:34:10.620 So, yeah, it's, it's, I don't want, I don't like the idea of using places as this kind

00:34:17.760 of, well, this is my argument.

00:34:19.140 This shows that these policies don't work, but they're doing it themselves, you know?

00:34:24.140 So, so there's, there's no real sort of, oh, um, well, is it, is it going to get better

00:34:29.560 really?

00:34:30.240 Because I know it's pretty blackpilled, but that's, that's kind of just how you feel most

00:34:35.440 of the time when, when you look at these, I have a Democrat run places or green party

00:34:40.420 run places, which is this example over in Brighton.

00:34:43.740 So yeah, there, there's a part of me that just wants to pack up and move to Texas.

00:34:48.740 Of course, I really do want to do that at some point, but there is also a part of me to

00:34:53.260 say, yeah, something needs to be done.

00:34:55.580 I don't want to just abandon my, uh, my kingdom almost, United Kingdom.

00:35:01.540 We'll try to make little Lewis's dreams come true.

00:35:03.920 Mummy, can we go to Texas one night?

00:35:05.960 There it is.

00:35:06.700 Oh, wow.

00:35:08.480 Yeah.

00:35:09.040 That was so patronizing.

00:35:11.700 This was our dynamic, Kamala.

00:35:13.600 If you can't get on board, I see how you talk to Will Witt, all right?

00:35:17.120 Yeah, true.

00:35:17.920 Oh, well, that's true.

00:35:18.220 You actually got me there.

00:35:19.180 Yeah, exactly.

00:35:20.820 I channel me or will through me or vice versa.

00:35:25.640 The last thing I want to ask you guys is basically about where do you think, and this comes up

00:35:31.260 a lot, especially with us, Lewis, where do you guys think that this direction from these

00:35:35.020 governments are coming from?

00:35:35.940 Because, Amala, you see, you know, the turds and the homeless on your doorstep, as you say.

00:35:41.100 Where do you think this direction comes from?

00:35:43.080 Because it seems to be policies that keep getting worse and worse, and in every major

00:35:48.000 city in America almost, it's downtown core, really cool, place to be, two kilometers or

00:35:54.440 two miles outside of that, homelessness, gang violence, et cetera.

00:35:57.880 Where do you think this direction comes from, and why do you think it's still being implemented

00:36:02.000 and that people still put up with it?

00:36:04.060 Oof, man.

00:36:04.640 It's something that I think about a lot.

00:36:06.600 I don't know if it's just really deep brainwashing, if it's that issue we talked about before,

00:36:10.800 of I can admit that I was wrong or that I didn't know something, and very just more safe-facing

00:36:17.900 could be just lobbying and money that they're getting, and it never really touches them

00:36:22.060 because the policies, for some reason, never come to their neighborhoods.

00:36:25.640 That's the beautiful part of all of this.

00:36:27.900 They never get to feel the true weight of the policies that they advocate for, and would

00:36:32.020 you know, they never visit the neighborhoods that are being most affected by these policies

00:36:35.740 either.

00:36:36.120 So I think it's a combination of all of those things.

00:36:39.800 I could put on my, you know, conspiracy hat and come out and say, you know, in order for

00:36:44.480 this whole Great Reset thing to work that we all know about and are aware of, people need 0.75

00:36:48.060 to be really demoralized, and society really needs to look like crap in order for us to

00:36:52.840 go take all of our resources, take care of this for us.

00:36:55.960 We need to give you everything so that you can fix this problem and build a sustainable

00:36:59.780 future where everybody owns nothing and is happy.

00:37:02.620 So is that the long-term goal of this, and they just don't care how many people are

00:37:06.760 trampled over until we get there?

00:37:09.260 Possibly as well.

00:37:10.840 So I think it's just a multitude of things that are all coming together and creating this

00:37:15.880 monster.

00:37:17.020 Lewis, you are knee-deep in the Great Reset, which I think Amal is alluding to with the

00:37:23.460 you will own nothing.

00:37:24.680 That sounds about right to me, don't you think?

00:37:26.720 Let's make things so bad that we want the nanny state to come save us. 1.00

00:37:31.440 Do you agree?

00:37:31.880 Yeah, absolutely.

00:37:33.680 It's hard now to say that it's not by design almost, and that these governments, these world

00:37:41.160 leaders are kind of just in some sort of cahoot where they're just, yeah, I don't want to

00:37:48.160 go too down the rabbit hole on this, but you know my views on the Great Reset.

00:37:54.660 It's a very, very worrying idea that globalism has kind of taken over almost.

00:38:05.400 And now, I don't know, I'm not too sure about America in that sense, but over here in the

00:38:10.880 UK, I've met a lot of people with very mixture political views have actually started to come

00:38:18.520 together on this issue and don't actually see things as binary as left or right on the spectrum

00:38:24.140 anymore.

00:38:24.860 And that's a big white pill over here, I think, because it shows that there are people that

00:38:30.520 just go, actually, we just want to be left alone.

00:38:32.640 We want our civil liberties, and we want to just have our normal life again from pre-2020.

00:38:40.260 And it's very, very comforting to know that there are people across the spectrum over here,

00:38:46.340 and it might be true across America, I'm not 100% sure, but there are a lot of people from

00:38:52.400 the left and the right, if we were to use that explicitly, over here in the UK are actually

00:38:57.420 starting to come together and say, actually, I don't want some technocrat over in Davos or

00:39:03.080 telling me what I should do with my car or telling me what I should do with my money.

00:39:09.660 And, you know, getting rid of cash, and all of this stuff that's just basically gives the state

00:39:15.560 an excuse to intervene. And yeah, it is a bit worrying, but there is a sense of coming together,

00:39:22.560 I'm starting to see, which is quite enlightening.

00:39:26.560 I agree. No more binary things. Louis Brackpool, Rebel News UK, I'm going to say de facto leader,

00:39:33.960 thank you for joining me. Amala Ekonobi, Ethiopian leader? Nigerian.

00:39:39.860 Damn it. Oh, wow. The other side of the continent. 1.00

00:39:43.860 Yeah, the other side of the continent. You know what? We're going to cut that from the show. 1.00

00:39:50.260 Do you want to do, like, an African accent really quick, Andrew, just to make it, like, even? 0.99

00:39:54.160 Yeah, go on. Let me beat you into that one. I need to hear Amala's British accent. I know you 1.00

00:40:00.700 can do one. Oh, yes. Yes, I've got to. Pip, pip, cheerio. Hello, good night. Pip, pip, cheerio.

00:40:05.660 That's pretty good. Yeah, that's pretty good. I'll take you. I'll take that. Thank you.

00:40:09.580 We'll have to exchange accents at one point and just do a show where it's like...

00:40:13.700 Just rotate? Just rotate. Oh, that would be great. That would be great.

00:40:17.160 That would be awesome. Amala needs a California one then. Whoa, bro, welcome. This is Will and Amala, bros.

00:40:24.280 Oh, my God. Fentanyl's, like, so cool. Yeah, it's definitely that. Yeah, that's fair.

00:40:28.920 Valley girl thing. Well, I appreciate you, Amala, for putting up with me for another hour.

00:40:34.160 Have you on again soon. Anything else you want to say? When does your show air?

00:40:39.060 So my show is up every single day at 3 p.m. Pacific, 6 p.m. Eastern. For those of you who want to watch,

00:40:44.940 you can just type in my name. I know it's a mouthful, but Amala Epanobi, and you'll find me on

00:40:49.020 virtually any platform, and you can watch and contribute in the chat, and we'll talk back and forth

00:40:53.720 We like to have open discussion on these videos, even if you disagree with me, so come and join.

00:40:59.380 Send trolled super chat to Amala. All right, thanks a lot, you guys. Thanks for coming.

00:41:04.500 You have a great day, okay? Thank you. You too.

00:41:06.840 You too.

00:41:18.560 Thank you.

Rebel News Podcast - May 06, 2022

ANDREW CHAPADOS ｜ Amala Ekpunobi & Lewis Brackpool： The Garbage at California's Door

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