Rebel News Podcast - ANDREW CHAPADOS ｜ DEBATE： Diversity in the military - John Doyle vs. Hunter Avallone ｜ Andrew Says 73

00:00:00.000 I'm saying that you can't accuse me of just kind of looking at things at face value when that's

00:00:05.320 actually what you're doing. You're gauging from your own experience and the fact that you talk

00:00:09.440 to some people here and there and then saying, well, that's just how it is. That's not just how

00:00:13.120 it is. So from your Googling, you have a better understanding of what the military is than people

00:00:18.380 who actually have done it. I don't have a better understanding of what it's like to be in the

00:00:21.300 military, but I absolutely have a better understanding in regards to the fact that

00:00:24.720 diversity benefits the military. Yes. Okay. No, no, no. I know you've got to get back to your

00:00:29.020 script. I understand that you have to get back to your script. Okay. But hold on. We're actually

00:00:32.180 talking now. Nobody actually thinks that your brain's operating at a higher level. I mean,

00:00:36.140 I'm thinking fast. I haven't been able to say a word. You've literally been just talking nonstop

00:00:40.780 and the non-biased mod isn't even helping at all. So I'm sorry, Hunter. I thought when I,

00:00:45.420 when I spoke earlier, I was being too biased. Okay, John, let's give Hunter a few minutes to talk.

00:00:55.180 Welcome back to Andrew says diversity is our strength. It's something we

00:00:58.980 hear a lot in this country, especially from our prime minister. He says it all the time.

00:01:02.500 And you've probably seen diversity, equity, and inclusion policies on job listings, at least a few

00:01:08.240 times in the past few years. Now, diversity is so important. In fact, that the government

00:01:12.760 recognizes gender or sexuality as some sort of accomplishment. It's why you see Kamala Harris

00:01:17.300 celebrated as both the first black and the first Indian vice president at the same time in different

00:01:22.440 articles. It's so important that it should be injected into the military as well. For some reason,

00:01:27.640 you've seen top US military officials talk about white rage. You've seen US army commercials.

00:01:33.900 They're a joke. We've also got the admiral who might be a man. We might be a woman. We're not sure

00:01:39.640 yet. Commentator Hunter Avon is another person who agrees with at least some of that. He's here to

00:01:46.120 rebuttal another video about the importance of diversity in the military. Interesting stuff.

00:01:51.480 Having women in the military is a massive benefit for the military. Diversity in the military is a 0.99

00:01:58.960 massive benefit for the military. For people like me who actually give a shit about having a strong

00:02:05.120 military and aren't as concerned about pushing some kind of insane fascistic agenda, I can recognize

00:02:11.220 that having diversity in the military provides more insights. It provides more abilities for people

00:02:19.440 to connect with certain civilians. So for example, having women in your military can help with women

00:02:26.760 talking to women civilians. Andrew, thanks for having me on today.

00:02:32.000 No, thank you for coming on. As I'm sure you're aware, it's not easy to get people who disagree to

00:02:36.600 come on to shows like this. So we definitely appreciate that. Now, the first thing I want to ask

00:02:40.760 you is, first off, I'll start by saying I'm not anti-diversity in any means. I just don't know how

00:02:45.620 diversity in and of itself is a benefit and something to strive for in terms of the military.

00:02:52.840 And we can talk about other things as well if you want, but this is basically what we talked about.

00:02:56.600 Explain what you mean. What do you mean by just diversity? Does it gender, sexuality, race,

00:03:01.080 all kinds? Can you please explain? Yeah, I think that diversity, really diverse identities at the

00:03:06.860 end of the day, whether it is race, gender, sexuality, all of that kind of plays a very significant

00:03:12.360 role in benefiting the military, specifically in the context of innovation. So when you have

00:03:21.580 a diverse group of people, you have a diverse group of backgrounds, essentially, you have more

00:03:26.860 ideas to pull from, and the innovation is crucial for the military's development and success, largely.

00:03:34.280 In fact, the military even has what's called the Army Ideas for Innovation Program,

00:03:38.140 where people who have ideas can come to this office and submit their ideas. And basically, by

00:03:45.120 having diverse people, whether they're gay or women or black or whatever, having a diverse group of

00:03:51.600 people contributes massively to innovation and thriving for the military, essentially.

00:03:57.900 Is there any example you can think of where that has been used to

00:04:00.980 make some sort of new technology, new way of fighting, or anything like that?

00:04:04.780 Yeah, so there's actually several different inventions that we use today, both in the military

00:04:10.220 and in our day-to-day life, that were invented by minorities or were a result of diversity. So for

00:04:17.080 example, Heidi Lamar, she invented what was called the frequency hopping communication system. And that was 0.77

00:04:25.800 used at the time for World War II, but now that invention is actually what fuels Wi-Fi, GPS, and

00:04:32.660 Bluetooth. So we all benefit from that technology, for example.

00:04:36.180 But how is that due specifically to their race or gender or some sort of diversity?

00:04:42.940 It's not like because she's a woman, that's why she came up with the idea. It's rather that

00:04:48.480 the more diversity you have, the more backgrounds you have, you avoid groupthink, and you're more likely

00:04:54.380 to achieve higher levels of innovation. I can give you some examples of private companies that

00:05:02.460 when they're focused on innovation, increases in racial diversity were related to enhanced financial

00:05:08.580 performance. So the more diverse groups of people you have, the less groupthink you have, and the 1.00

00:05:13.940 better outcomes, essentially, you get as well.

00:05:17.260 So are you in favor of hiring, let's say, having a quota for, let's say, women in the military? Or

00:05:24.800 in Canada, we have for native Canadians in the military. Are you in favor of quotas like that?

00:05:31.120 Or do you think it comes naturally?

00:05:33.360 Yeah, I'm not so sure I'm in favor of like a quota, like you must have this amount of women. 1.00

00:05:38.260 I think that that tends to be pretty lame. And then you kind of leave out a lot of talent,

00:05:42.240 because I don't like the idea of hiring someone purely because they are a woman. But rather, 0.97

00:05:48.180 like what started this whole thing really was, John Doyle was kind of shitting on this idea of

00:05:53.980 diversity in the military. And then John Miller called me a retard for saying that diversity was

00:05:57.660 a strength.

00:05:58.400 Who's John Miller? I don't know who that is.

00:06:00.860 He's a Blaze TV host.

00:06:03.080 Okay.

00:06:04.400 And yeah, he called me a retard. And I think that's how we got in contact to begin with,

00:06:08.320 is because I was posting about it. I don't remember exactly. But

00:06:11.980 I'm not really in favor of like a strict quota. But I'm also strongly against this idea that

00:06:17.940 there must only be like strong men in the military, because the military is made up of a lot more than

00:06:24.520 just fighting.

00:06:25.680 This is true. But I still, I'm still not able to identify how like, having this diversity as a point

00:06:33.380 to like, let's just say you've got 100 white guys or 100 black guys. I don't understand how having 0.99

00:06:38.920 an extra person of either category in a platoon makes them better fighters.

00:06:44.200 Well, you got to remember that only 10% of the military will ever even see fighting.

00:06:48.720 There's a lot more to the military than just fighting. So when I'm advocating for diversity

00:06:53.000 in the military, I don't necessarily mean that's diversity in the actual fighting aspect.

00:06:58.960 Obviously, women on average are weaker than men. So having more strong men on the front lines will 0.99

00:07:05.040 probably make more sense. But again, if we're talking about the behind the scenes shit, you know,

00:07:09.940 the analysis that's necessary, the different ideas that come up, the technology that's developed,

00:07:15.440 this all benefits from diversity. I can give you an example. So here was a study where they put

00:07:22.020 together three person groups, some consisting of all white members, other with two whites and one

00:07:27.940 non-white member. And they had them perform a murder mystery exercise. And to find out who 0.75

00:07:34.220 committed the murder, the group members would have to share all the information they collectively

00:07:37.880 possessed during the discussion. And excuse me, the groups with racial diversity significantly

00:07:44.080 outperformed the groups with no racial diversity. Being with similar others leads us to think we all

00:07:50.460 hold the same information and share the same perspective. This perspective, which stopped the

00:07:55.080 all white group from effectively processing the information, is what hinders creativity and innovation. 0.83

00:08:00.380 But what information was that somebody from a different race had that white people didn't have?

00:08:06.940 It's not that cut and dry. It's more so that when you have people of different backgrounds,

00:08:10.860 different experiences, they all bring something different to the table. And more groupthink leads

00:08:16.900 to lower rates of innovation. So if you have people that all look the same, even if it's not

00:08:21.060 intentionally, I'm not saying they're all like these evil racists or something, but it's just that

00:08:26.440 when people look the same as you, you tend to kind of think of them as holding the same ideas as you

00:08:32.600 as well. And that just leads to groupthink. It's not beneficial for the military. It's not beneficial

00:08:37.360 for innovation.

00:08:38.700 I think you're reading the conclusion of some sort of study without really being able to give the

00:08:42.880 examples of what's in it. But I was in the military. I don't recall any time. A couple of my best

00:08:49.380 friends in the army were African guys. There wasn't ever a time where any of us looked around and said,

00:08:54.580 we need more diversity. This is going to help us. And in fact, when you've got people in an armed

00:08:59.520 forces, when you come together from vastly different places, from the west coast of the

00:09:04.420 country, to the center, to the east, there aren't these racial thought lines that it seems like

00:09:10.320 you're pointing towards. Like I got friends from Alberta who live in the country and they think

00:09:15.520 completely different from the guys who live on the east coast in the maritimes here in Canada.

00:09:19.300 And that's partially diversity though. There's also diversity of thought.

00:09:23.700 But people of different identities bring different ideas as well. They have different

00:09:27.880 experiences. They contribute differently. Just like having diversity of thought from somebody

00:09:32.280 from Florida working together with somebody from California might have different ideas. It's not

00:09:36.820 just this like strict identity as if like you are gay, so therefore you have a better idea kind of 0.95

00:09:43.180 thing. But rather when you put people together of all different backgrounds, of all different

00:09:46.820 experiences and different identities, you just get higher rates of innovation. This has been

00:09:51.400 demonstrated time and time again. I can give you another study if you want. The one that I just

00:09:55.280 read you, I do understand it was a murder mystery. And the reason that that's important, as cheesy as

00:10:00.100 it sounds, is because that was able to find not a correlation, but more of a causal link between

00:10:05.700 diversity contributing to higher rates of innovation.

00:10:08.880 But what was the thing that they found that was different from race to race?

00:10:14.120 I don't, yeah, see, I don't know exactly what the difference was that they found in these things.

00:10:18.020 I can send you the whole study if you want, but I don't think that's important.

00:10:21.260 What's important is-

00:10:22.140 You're saying this thing, but you haven't even, it sounds like you haven't read it though.

00:10:25.320 I have read it.

00:10:26.400 But you don't know the difference.

00:10:27.660 Well, I don't have all the information stuck here, right here on my notes, but I think that

00:10:30.980 this is kind of weak if you're going to start accusing me of not reading the full entire

00:10:34.940 study. When I have, first of all, second of all, this is not what's, that's not the relevant part.

00:10:40.220 What's relevant is that when there is more diversity, they perform better. I can give

00:10:44.360 you another one too. By correlating diversity in leadership with market outcomes, as reported

00:10:49.600 by respondents, they learned that companies with more diversity out-innovate and out-perform

00:10:54.100 others. Employees at these companies are 45% likelier to report that their firm's market

00:10:59.400 share grew over the previous year and 70% likelier to report that the firm captured a

00:11:05.040 new market. So the fact that they're capturing a new market is again, evidence that they are

00:11:09.480 innovating at faster rates.

00:11:11.060 Well, yeah, we're talking about marketing and business. I would never say that there doesn't

00:11:16.000 need to be, you know, different viewpoints and say, we're marketing towards a different

00:11:20.540 demographic here. I think it makes perfect sense. But what we were talking about was,

00:11:24.100 stuff in the military and how just placing diversity and putting in, not necessarily

00:11:30.100 a strong, you know, focus on diversity, but in and out of itself, I don't think it matters

00:11:36.220 at all when you're, when your goal here is to fight and your goal here is to, you know,

00:11:41.600 The goal of the military is not to fight. Okay. What is it?

00:11:45.660 The goal of the military is really ultimately to keep our country safe. But again, there's only 10%

00:11:50.220 of our military that we'll ever even see fighting. This, this is oftentimes a straw man that a lot

00:11:54.920 of people build up, which is like, Oh, do you really think a weak, frail woman is going to do 1.00

00:11:59.240 good on the battlefield? No, that's not all the military is though. There's way more to the military

00:12:03.760 than just fighting.

00:12:05.380 I'm aware I was in the military, but the, the, what I'm,

00:12:08.220 you don't sound like you're aware because you're making the argument that it's all fighting.

00:12:11.180 I mean, those people support the people that are fighting the supply chain and the, the vehicle

00:12:18.440 technicians. These are all people who are supporting the people fighting. It never ever comes up where

00:12:23.220 somebody says we need more diversity. Oh, if only we had people from this place or this place,

00:12:28.820 or who thought this way, we would have been better off. That sort of stuff never comes up. And it comes

00:12:33.120 to my broader point is when you make these videos and, and you're, you're shitting on people and you 0.82

00:12:39.000 pull up the, like you, I went through your Twitter a little bit yesterday and it's mainly reacting to

00:12:43.580 people that you don't like and saying how stupid they are. And you, and you take these broader

00:12:47.700 concepts and take them at face value. Like in one point in that video, you, you read about, um,

00:12:54.920 you read something off the American immigration council as if that they're, I, as if their goal is

00:13:00.140 not to advance the, you know, the public image of diversity in the military. Um, you talked about

00:13:05.260 martial law. Um, there's one point where you're, you're taking apart, uh, what John says about,

00:13:10.960 you know, people having mental illnesses in the military and you Google a part that says

00:13:15.700 you don't have to be like really mentally competent to apply for the military. And then it says

00:13:20.260 educational achievement, cognitive testing, and cursory psychiatric evaluation. And then you take

00:13:25.480 that and you're just like, well, that settles it. So I feel like, no, it's that if you say that

00:13:29.880 there are a bunch of mentally ill people in the military, that doesn't really add up.

00:13:34.000 If they need to pass a cognition test in order to even begin serving in the military,

00:13:38.840 that's the point I was making. You don't know what the test is. Okay. That's not true. You keep on

00:13:44.300 bringing up your own personal experience with this. I'm not saying that all the soldiers are hanging

00:13:48.880 out saying, man, where's another black person. It's that again, the military is made up of a large 0.99

00:13:54.760 group of people. It's not just fighting. It is a large group of people that contribute to different,

00:13:59.820 different facets of the military. And when you have diversity, again, you have more innovation.

00:14:05.600 And honestly, there are even studies showing that when you exclude people, when you are obsessed with

00:14:11.520 this idea of cohesion on the basis of race or sexual orientation or gender identity, you actually

00:14:18.740 weaken the military. You weaken the morale of the military. And you basically undermine the perception

00:14:25.100 that people have of the military as well, because now the military no longer resembles

00:14:29.420 the demographic of the country. This has been demonstrated. I could send you a peer-reviewed

00:14:34.040 study that studied the UK military, for example, and found just this. So again, I'm not saying you

00:14:39.560 need to have quotas to force diversity in everything. I'm saying that the argument that I was responding

00:14:45.300 to as far as John Doyle and John Miller was that they were saying diversity is not a strength of the

00:14:50.280 military. And I'm saying it is. Again, you say I'm saying from my personal experience, it's not just

00:14:57.140 my personal experience, it's how it is. Like, for example, if I was to say there was a fitness test

00:15:02.360 and obese people didn't make it, that's just not my personal experience. That's how it is. And that's

00:15:07.460 how the military operates. So it's not just me talking from my experience of what I saw, you know,

00:15:12.660 day to day between and had conversations between people. It's how it actually is. And I feel like you

00:15:18.140 take these surface level arguments and you say, oh, that's how it must be. I've googled this

00:15:23.120 definition and I've googled what mental acuity tests they do and they do this cognitive evaluation

00:15:29.060 and therefore there can be no sign of, you know, people with poor mental health in the military.

00:15:35.120 You're saying, well, I was in the military and this was my experience, so that's how it is.

00:15:38.780 No, no, I just told you that's not, no, it's not just my experience. It is how it is though.

00:15:43.900 But how do you know that? You're taking it at face value. You're gauging from your own

00:15:48.080 experience. So I never talked to anybody. I never knew anything about what was going on

00:15:52.200 while I was there. No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that you can't accuse me

00:15:56.300 of just kind of looking at things at face value when that's actually what you're doing. You're

00:16:00.940 gauging from your own experience and the fact that you talk to some people here and there and then

00:16:05.100 saying, well, that's just how it is. That's not just how it is. So from your googling, you have a

00:16:09.340 better understanding of what the military is than people who are actually... I don't have a better

00:16:13.900 understanding of what it's like to be in the military, but I absolutely have a better

00:16:17.500 understanding in regards to the fact that diversity benefits the military. Yes.

00:16:21.400 Okay. I don't know if we're going to get anywhere with that. I did want to bring in

00:16:25.140 another guest, Olivia. Do you want to go ahead and put them both on?

00:16:31.760 Well, wait, who are you ambushing me with? Because we're not even done with our discussion yet.

00:16:38.780 Andrew.

00:16:39.180 Andrew. Hey, John, what's up? Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. We are

00:16:44.340 John Doyle.

00:16:45.280 Entertainment. Here to discuss diversity. Here to discuss the military.

00:16:50.320 Nice. Hunter, how are we doing?

00:16:52.000 Finally. I'm doing good. We took so long to get this set up. I'm actually happy to see you,

00:16:58.140 John. How are you doing, man? It is true. I'm doing pretty well. You know,

00:17:01.280 I don't want to stand on ceremony with this sort of performative fraternity, Hunter. You know,

00:17:05.400 you had some very abrasive things to say about me in your video, which admittedly I didn't watch.

00:17:11.060 Admittedly, I also didn't rewatch my video in preparation for this because, of course,

00:17:15.400 I wanted to give you the biggest advantage possible. So you're going to have to refresh

00:17:18.480 me a little bit on your critiques as we go along here. But yeah, I'm excited.

00:17:23.220 Yeah. The main critique that I had was just you seem to be very much against this idea of diversity

00:17:28.280 in the military. And that's just not true. Like, I thought that that was quite delusional,

00:17:33.980 to be honest, because virtually every single study we have, whether it's of a private business

00:17:38.460 or of the military directly, we can see that diversity contributes to a significant amount

00:17:43.840 of innovation. Right. So for those watching, people of Hunter's kin like to do this thing

00:17:50.840 with studies where they basically use them like Pokemon cards. So Hunter is going to take his

00:17:55.460 studies and he's going to say, look at this study. It says this thing, blam. And it's like his argument

00:17:59.560 is the title of the study. You know, he doesn't believe that people like, as we saw with what Andrew

00:18:03.100 was saying, can experience things, can infer data, can use their inductive reasoning, things

00:18:08.100 like that. So that's why, you know, it's always studies and data. So, you know, people like

00:18:11.880 Hunter also, it's not a coincidence that they're so obsessed with things like the Marvel Cinematic

00:18:15.860 Universe, right? Like they conceptualize diversity.

00:18:17.520 I've never even watched Marvel.

00:18:18.940 Hold on. Wait, wait, wait. No, no, no, no. Is this actually your argument right now? Is the

00:18:23.160 idea of shitting on data and factual information because you think that feelings outweigh facts?

00:18:29.180 Is that it? No. I never said it. If you would listen to my argument, I know this isn't one of

00:18:32.620 your reaction streams where you're going to pause what I'm saying and have your little

00:18:35.280 questions. Well, this isn't one of your videos where you can just make up a bunch of lies about

00:18:39.300 what I think. Let's just go one at a time. Well, let me just finish my opening monologue here.

00:18:42.980 My point was going to be that people of Hunter's coalition, maybe not him necessarily, since we

00:18:47.480 want to get specific here, they can only conceptualize diversity like a team of superheroes,

00:18:52.660 right? Or like the, what was that Pixar movie, Inside Out, where you've got like this guy with

00:18:57.220 this strength and then this guy is really good at this thing and they all come together and then

00:19:00.180 they beat the bad guy. That's not actually how it works. And, you know, what it comes down to

00:19:04.400 basically in brass text is that anything the military is doing besides focusing on destroying

00:19:08.460 enemies and their resources and securing our borders is by definition operating at a less

00:19:13.780 efficient way than it should be. And so the whole idea behind diverse identities, as Hunter

00:19:19.300 articulated, is this idea that like, oh, well, you know, if you've got the white guy, he's going to

00:19:23.460 have this way of looking at it. If you've got the black guy, he's going to have this way of looking 1.00

00:19:26.700 at it. And when they all come together, you know, they can sort of figure out the best way possible

00:19:30.860 because you have all these different perspectives. I wanted to set up a debate between you guys.

00:19:36.040 Hunter refused. And then he... I did not refuse. You did. I said that I wanted a... Hold on,

00:19:41.240 wait, wait, wait. No, you said I'll never debate him. I don't care if I've got to go get

00:19:43.640 spoke to you guys. You said I'll never... I said that I wanted a non-biased moderator.

00:19:47.320 Yeah. And have I said... No. How? Have I said anything? I haven't said anything. I haven't said

00:19:51.780 anything. No. If I could just comment on the structure of the debate, typically the way these

00:19:55.900 actual debates, as opposed to, you know, internet blood sports go is, you know, one side will speak

00:19:59.840 for five, 10 minutes. The other side will speak for five, 10 minutes. There's questions, etc. That's

00:20:04.240 kind of the impression under which I was operating. So I'd like to be able to speak for a few minutes

00:20:07.620 uninterrupted. I just wanted to interject with the fact that I haven't said anything and he's saying

00:20:12.040 there's a debate on a moderator on your side, and this is why he refused to come on. But I'm perfectly able

00:20:17.060 to sit here, as I've shown, and not say anything and let you guys talk. So let's go back to

00:20:20.620 both of them. You're not letting me talk right now. Because you just made a claim that I'm...

00:20:24.740 Can I respond to anything that John said? Or is he literally... Yeah, you will have ample

00:20:28.960 time. You just got to be patient. Delay gratification. Are we going to do a five-minute

00:20:33.140 thing? Because I'm not doing that. That'd be great. Can you speak for five minutes extemporaneously?

00:20:37.140 Are you afraid of that? No, it's not that I'm afraid of it. It's that a real debate is you say

00:20:41.800 something, then I ask a question, then we kind of build upon that and have more of a conversation.

00:20:45.100 That's not accurate. You know, I didn't even go to college, Hunter. I know the collegiate

00:20:50.000 level debate, there's the first affirmative, there's the first rebuttal. I mean, it goes

00:20:53.820 in blocks. So I'm going to continue with what I was trying to say. This is a formal debate.

00:20:57.400 Well, it is. You know, I would like to think that we can operate at that level. You know,

00:21:00.400 I have a great amount of respect for you, believe it or not. I can't believe that your version

00:21:03.420 of a debate, you're so scared to actually just talk back and forth. Are you afraid of my soy

00:21:07.580 things? People won't let me talk. My brother in Christ, you got to stop. I'm going to just

00:21:10.720 continue. My brother in Christ, you won't shut the fuck up. The idea, you're so tough,

00:21:15.940 dude. Like, I don't understand. I never agreed to this. You're literally just ambushing me and

00:21:19.540 then saying, oh, it's a formal debate now. So you have to be quiet for five minutes. It

00:21:22.440 is. Let's actually talk about it. Why do you think that diversity does not benefit the military?

00:21:26.580 What's your evidence of this? See, I was going to continue. Anyways, the idea that diversity

00:21:31.260 does inherently benefit the military, like in that video in particular, I think I was mainly

00:21:34.880 talking about diversity in terms of sex and in terms of sexuality. So like literally,

00:21:39.940 if you're going to argue that diversity in terms of sexuality benefits the military,

00:21:44.420 like they could read something written by von Clausewitz or something written by Sun Tzu,

00:21:48.500 and they could actually amend that text and have a better idea of how to conquer enemies and defend

00:21:53.460 borders than these people. And this kind of gets into the other thing. Well, even if not in terms of

00:21:57.740 strategic innovation, in terms of technological innovation, you know, they have something to offer

00:22:01.820 there because he mentioned as well, on the battlefield, only 10% of people are going to

00:22:05.720 see combat, right? Now, in my opinion, that's more of an argument against the fact that the

00:22:09.920 military has basically become a jobs program, less against the fact that, you know, it's not actually

00:22:14.280 going to have a lot of people on the battlefield. But you've got the innovation, at least, if not the

00:22:17.720 combat aspect. The thing with that, though, is if you say you're going to have a million people that

00:22:23.000 can be in the military, just to use that number, if you're going to just stock it with people,

00:22:27.320 for diversity's sake, you're going to want to stock it with the most people who are the most

00:22:31.320 likely to innovate. Because obviously, you know, I'm less innovative than the woman that he

00:22:35.240 mentioned who created that technology. But on average, I think that's what's important to look

00:22:39.360 at. And if you look at virtually 95%, which is an actual figure, 95% of the innovation,

00:22:45.600 both scientific and technological, that took place on this planet between, I think, 800 BC and 1950 AD

00:22:52.800 was done by European men. I don't know why that is, but that just happens to be the case. 0.98

00:22:57.200 The fact of the matter is that at the end. Are you serious right now? You're actually

00:23:01.200 just going to do it. I'm going to hang up and leave, okay? If you don't let me actually talk

00:23:04.560 and respond to some of this bullshit. I'm almost done. I promise. I promise.

00:23:07.040 I'm almost done. Why are you just talking? You think this is one of your videos right now?

00:23:10.500 You've made like 50 claims. I'm not going to be able to respond to all of them.

00:23:14.120 You're trying to gish gallop me, John. You're trying to gish gallop me. You're so mad right

00:23:18.920 now because you don't like the idea of having a conversation. You're used to just sitting down and

00:23:22.700 saying, heck off, commie, LOLOL. You're breaking from your script. I know. You're really scared

00:23:27.460 right now. You're the one who needs to talk for five minutes. You can't do it without

00:23:31.000 your little reaction. I'm not afraid to talk for five minutes. I'm actually interested in talking

00:23:33.760 to you, not just talking to you. Then let me just get a couple more little bullet points out here. 0.80

00:23:38.380 How many bullet points are you going to get out to? I get to actually respond to.

00:23:41.700 This is how debates work, dude. This is not how a debate works.

00:23:46.220 Anyways. This is not how a debate works, my dude.

00:23:48.360 So the idea that we have this one anecdote, we have this one anecdote of this woman who invented

00:23:54.440 this particular piece of technology, this minority who invented this particular piece of technology 1.00

00:23:58.640 in a vacuum. If you were to keep pumping the military with, say, European men, which is the 0.94

00:24:03.860 traditionally the founding stock of our military, eventually they would have come up with that

00:24:08.240 technology. That's just a fact. Eventually they would have, because we can infer that from the

00:24:13.060 fact that they've invented like virtually everything else. So I guess then-

00:24:17.000 It doesn't have anything to do with the fact that oftentimes like white people were dominating

00:24:20.420 the country. So like, for example, you could say like-

00:24:23.080 Why was that? Because we're good at innovating stuff.

00:24:25.400 Well, no, no. You could say like, hey, how come black people didn't really present any good 1.00

00:24:28.700 inventions during the time that they were enslaved or during the time that Jim Crow was in place?

00:24:33.480 Like, I don't think it's fair for you to just say, well, look, Europeans did this and that's 0.76

00:24:37.440 just because they're European, LOL. That's not how this works. What it is, is that oftentimes 0.99

00:24:41.920 Europeans held more power and they were in a privileged position where they were able to

00:24:46.800 innovate at faster rates. But it doesn't mean that that is intrinsic to the fact that they are in

00:24:51.240 fact European. And again, I have a question there about that. You keep trying to call what I'm saying

00:24:56.380 like an anecdote. That's an example of some things that, that's some of the things that women have 1.00

00:25:01.160 contributed or gay people have contributed. Sure. But it's not just that. Again, it's that by having

00:25:05.560 diversity, you avoid this idea of groupthink. You break away from groupthink and you are able to innovate

00:25:11.080 faster. Why is it? Okay. So we're going to go point by point. Let's go point by point. No,

00:25:17.100 it doesn't. Let's go point by point then. I want to talk about the Europe versus Africa thing.

00:25:21.360 Colonization, right? No, we're not going to talk. This has nothing to do with the actual military

00:25:24.460 thing. I know that you've got to get back to your script. I understand that you have to get back

00:25:28.620 to your script. Okay. But hold on. We're actually talking now. Nobody watching this actually thinks

00:25:32.200 that your brain's operating at a higher level. I mean, I'm thinking fast. I haven't been able to say a word,

00:25:36.320 my dude. You've literally been just talking nonstop. And the non-biased mod isn't even

00:25:40.780 helping at all. Oh, I'm sorry, Hunter. I thought when I spoke earlier, I was being too biased. Okay,

00:25:45.740 John, let's give Hunter a few minutes to say what he wants to say. I didn't want to appear too biased

00:25:50.500 because, you know. So let it be known that I said that I was more than happy to debate John Doyle.

00:25:55.660 You did not. No. You said I will never. You shut up. This is my show. I'm going to go ahead and mute.

00:26:02.100 So I said that I was more than happy to debate John Doyle, for example, on modern day debate.

00:26:07.240 Okay, on that one. I thought you were muting me. On modern day debate, they reached out multiple

00:26:11.840 times. John Doyle never responded. And I directly said, I'm not so sure I want to debate on your

00:26:17.100 platform, Andrew. He said, I'll never debate John on my show. And I haven't said anything.

00:26:20.860 And I said, because you were going to be biased. How am I biased?

00:26:23.700 Because you let John ramble on for last 10 minutes.

00:26:25.640 And as soon as you complained, I said, you can have the floor now. And John just agreed. So

00:26:31.800 instead of complaining further, just say what you want to say.

00:26:34.840 Okay. So again, my claim is not that we need to impose diversity on the military. My claim is that

00:26:41.160 by letting more people into the military of all different diverse backgrounds, you are benefiting

00:26:46.740 innovation. And John, I know that you say like, that's not true. That's not true. Blah, blah, blah,

00:26:51.120 blah, blah. But you need to tell me then, how come we have found not one, not two, but multiple

00:26:56.140 different studies that have all shown that when there is more diversity, the companies innovate

00:27:01.600 at faster rates. Can you please answer why that is the case?

00:27:05.580 Yeah, I actually, I do want to address the one study that you cited in particular,

00:27:09.240 the murder mystery study, which you said was proof that diversity is good.

00:27:13.540 On the surface, it's like murder mystery being equivalent to warfare. Okay. But you have to look at

00:27:18.580 the difference between the two. I mean, you have something like a murder mystery, right? That's

00:27:21.640 like a social deduction scenario. You have a finite pool from which to draw. And then maybe you can

00:27:27.180 find who did it, so to speak, versus like literal open modern warfare. Right. So what I'm familiar

00:27:33.680 with in terms of the literature, I know you have low impulse control, but you just have to stop.

00:27:39.880 Okay. We, you want to go back and forth and we have to go back and forth. So in terms of the

00:27:44.100 literature that I think alludes to some of this, like corporate diversity being good,

00:27:47.700 military diversity being good, oftentimes what they find is exactly that perspective thing that

00:27:51.980 you're talking about, where if you have a more diverse group of people, then they're better able

00:27:56.540 to assess situations critically. That's the problem because all of the literature that's supporting

00:28:01.800 that claim, you have to be careful with what that, what that is implicated because they're not

00:28:05.340 saying that they're actually better at producing the correct outcomes for situations. Literally what

00:28:10.600 they are saying is they are better at critical thinking. Why is that? That is because when you have

00:28:14.920 more people from different backgrounds, they are more likely to disagree on things,

00:28:19.560 which they define positively as critical thinking. I would disagree with that because again,

00:28:24.120 I want to get back to the Europe versus Africa thing, because you said that the reason Africa 0.99

00:28:27.560 didn't have a competent military or innovation, so to speak, was because of European oppression.

00:28:31.840 I didn't say Africa. No, no, that's not what I said. I was just making a lot of point about the

00:28:35.600 European. Okay. But hold on, what you just said as far as... Really, I just have one question and

00:28:39.240 then I'll shut up. I promise. I just want to respond to what you said really quickly because you didn't

00:28:41.440 answer my question either. But first of all, when you have people, you just admitted it, that when

00:28:46.520 you have people, you have a lot of different ideas, you have a finite pool of information to pull

00:28:51.680 from, and that is a benefit of diversity. Second of all, the study that I just referenced to you was not

00:28:57.300 actually the murder mystery one. I was bringing up a study which looked at different banks and they

00:29:02.760 found that innovation-focused banks increased or innovation increased in racial diversity,

00:29:09.180 that that was clearly related to an enhanced financial performance. So when you say they're

00:29:14.060 not looking at the outcome, they are looking at the outcomes. The outcomes are specifically

00:29:18.360 benefiting by having more diversity. And this isn't just in private firms where this has been

00:29:23.580 discovered. Even the military itself has found that when women are involved in complex problem 1.00

00:29:28.580 solving, they solve problems at faster rates than groups that are just made up of men, for example.

00:29:34.320 So what's wrong with this? Why don't we want our military to be strong and efficient?

00:29:39.280 I would be curious to see the sample size from that one pertaining to women because men are more 0.93

00:29:44.620 rational than women. And so I would imagine that's... No, it's not a lie.

00:29:48.820 That's a lie. It's absolutely not a lie. And there's even studies supporting that too.

00:29:54.640 No, there isn't. There's studies reporting the complete opposite. But I know that you kind of

00:29:58.240 have to just make up stuff. But okay, go ahead. What were you saying?

00:30:01.940 Well, anyways. So it's like if you take a sample size of high IQ women and compare them to average 1.00

00:30:06.660 IQ men, they're going to be better at solving those problems. But if I took 100 women off the street and 1.00

00:30:10.600 100 men off the street, I mean, you would be delusional to suggest that the women would be better at 1.00

00:30:14.680 solving the problems than the men would. I mean, this is just a fact.

00:30:16.860 No, not at all.

00:30:18.860 In terms of the social deduction, it is true. Dude, I don't know if you're lying. I don't know

00:30:24.240 what kind of bubble you live in to actually believe this. It reminds me of the Trump tweet.

00:30:28.040 Is this even possible to believe? You haven't provided any evidence. You're just saying,

00:30:32.120 obviously, this is the case. I have evidence after evidence after evidence that shows that

00:30:36.600 the Marine Corps, for example, found that including women resulted in just as good, if not better,

00:30:41.920 cognitive performance with these challenging problems. I have information showing that when women are 1.00

00:30:46.300 involved in high firm companies, they perform better, the more diversity is implemented in

00:30:51.380 those companies. This is a clear evidence that women are not less rational than men. You're going

00:30:56.820 to have some women that are less rational than men. You're also going to have some men that are 0.90

00:30:59.960 less rational than women. They have done studies where they presented men and women with complex 1.00

00:31:04.640 moral problems. And at the end of the day, men and women were just as rational. This is just a lie that

00:31:11.220 you're saying right now. No, no, it's not. There's a really good book that I don't think

00:31:15.880 you'll read, but if anyone's interested, it's called The Rationality Quotant. It's how to quantify

00:31:20.380 actually thinking rationally. And they found, I think, a 0.67 or 0.68 advantage in terms of rational

00:31:27.020 thinking for men. So again, I don't even think this is worth addressing. But again, what you're

00:31:31.480 arguing, I'm frankly much less concerned about all of the studies and things like that. I'm talking about

00:31:36.900 like what we know about world history. What you are arguing is that all of the conquests of, for

00:31:41.280 example, the Roman Empire would have been better if you would have had more women involved or more 1.00

00:31:46.540 gay people involved or things like that. And this is why I know, I don't know why you are so like, 0.98

00:31:50.240 like afraid of this comparison. But when you're talking about like, you know, Africa was at a

00:31:54.280 disadvantage versus Europe. Well, why then was Europe able to come in and colonize Africa? If we were

00:32:00.160 really at a level playing field, they have more natural resources than Europe. Why didn't, why weren't they

00:32:04.560 able to man the defenses? I understand that. But listen to what I'm saying. I'm saying that

00:32:08.580 innovation is more likely to come from European men as evidenced by literally 95% of all of it.

00:32:13.460 You're saying no. I'm saying, okay, well, if that's not the case, why was Africa not able to defend 0.72

00:32:19.100 itself from European colonization? These are all, these are completely unrelated. The European

00:32:25.480 humanization had everything to do with advanced levels of technology, even where did that come from?

00:32:30.240 Hold on. Even different climates had an effect there. This idea of, well, Africa couldn't defend 1.00

00:32:35.640 itself. Therefore, minorities are not good for innovation is, is irrelevant. This is one of the 1.00

00:32:39.880 weakest arguments I've ever heard. We need to combine and look at how diversity interacts

00:32:44.600 with the military and in actual companies, because that's how the military is. You keep saying, well,

00:32:51.020 what about the military is a company at that? Well, no, no, no. It's not just the company,

00:32:56.360 but it's, it's a group where there is a large amount of people that are all working towards

00:33:01.020 a common goal. And if you want to talk about, if you actually want to talk about world history,

00:33:05.400 I mean, you can look at historical examples. Since the 1800s, for example, armies with high

00:33:09.880 rates of inequality have done poorly, according to all kinds of measures. One statistical analysis

00:33:15.100 focused on armies with high rates of inequality, and that they found that that increased the odds by

00:33:19.980 50% that an army will suffer more casualties than it inflicts on the other side. So that's some

00:33:26.180 world history for you right there. When you are discriminatory, or when you don't properly

00:33:31.600 include minorities into your group, you lack positive outcomes. You weaken the military, 1.00

00:33:39.100 you weaken the morale. And again, I don't know why you keep going back to this Africa thing. 1.00

00:33:43.700 At the end of the day, we have multiple different studies that have shown that when women and black 1.00

00:33:49.980 people and minorities are included in these firms, they do better. You're just denying this. You're

00:33:56.720 just denying it right now. Okay, I have another question. Help me understand. If we know that if

00:34:01.380 you have a group of like, say, 50 bland vanilla white men, and you throw in the black people and 0.98

00:34:06.940 women, you're saying that that'll help that company do better, that military operation do better, 1.00

00:34:11.960 then why then in the places in the world where we see the most black people or the most,

00:34:16.540 any sort of minority group, why then are they not doing as well as where we see the most groups of

00:34:21.080 like white male dominated spheres? If that's the case. Sure, I can answer that. Yeah, the answer to 0.60

00:34:26.420 that is not that, oh, just because they're black, they somehow have a better idea, lol. What you're 1.00

00:34:31.840 doing is stripping this of all nuance. And you're looking at this in one of the most delusionally

00:34:36.380 reductionist ways imaginable. What it is, is not only diversity, it's how you properly implement that

00:34:41.980 diversity. Obviously, just having a large group of black people is not going to necessarily lead

00:34:47.560 to any better or worse outcome than having a large group of uneducated white people or something.

00:34:53.060 That's not the key here. The key is that when you have a business or a company or something like the

00:35:00.060 military, and they all have a common goal, implementing diversity in the proper way, mind you,

00:35:05.860 leads to more innovation because you're pulling from a larger pool of information. There is more

00:35:12.080 experience behind that. And then, like I've already demonstrated, that leads to higher rates of

00:35:17.240 innovation. This benefits the military immensely. Like, I want to see the military get stronger.

00:35:22.200 I want our country to be kept safe. And that's what the military does. And so it only makes sense to

00:35:26.520 have a larger pool to gauge information from. That was your argument at the beginning of this.

00:35:31.080 Right. So, again, it's like, even in recent history, our military hasn't been able to do

00:35:37.160 really anything quite effectively. I mean, we got embarrassed in Afghanistan. We were embarrassed

00:35:41.560 in all of our campaigns in the Middle East. And now it's like, like, I'm really, I really kind of

00:35:47.340 want you to just think about, like, what you're saying to me, which is that, you know, if we are

00:35:52.460 to increase, like, what experience do you think, if you just had to guess, maybe there's not a study,

00:35:56.460 if you just had to guess, what experience do you think the average black guy has,

00:36:00.160 in terms of dealing with high level military operations, small unit tactics that the average

00:36:05.160 white guy just, like, doesn't have? Like, what is that experience that you think he could really

00:36:09.120 bring to the table there? I don't think that anybody, white, black, gay, straight, women,

00:36:14.280 whatever, have, like, some intrinsic understanding of the military. They would be trained to have-

00:36:18.960 Well, then why would you need them for military diversity to make it better? That's the essence of

00:36:22.820 your argument. No. I think that you're literally thinking that my argument is, like,

00:36:26.660 just take a random woman off the street and plop her in the military, therefore military gets 0.97

00:36:31.020 better. That's not what I'm saying.

00:36:32.220 Your argument, that would increase innovation. No. Even if only slightly, yes.

00:36:37.660 My argument is that when you train, obviously, to get somebody in the military, they're going to

00:36:41.800 have to train to be in the military. Obviously. I'm not talking about just-

00:36:45.720 Which 86% of women fail, but yeah. 1.00

00:36:47.160 I'm not talking about just grabbing random people and then saying, oh, look, they're black,

00:36:51.520 they must have better ideas. It's that, again, I've said this now five times,

00:36:54.780 when you take a large group of people of different identities and they're all focused on a common

00:37:00.660 goal, after all going through the same training, mind you, to get to where they are in the military

00:37:05.780 or going through the same process to be hired in a hypothetical firm, then you will see higher

00:37:11.800 rates of innovation. I'm not saying that some black person just has an intrinsic understanding of

00:37:17.160 the military, but guess what? Neither do any white guys, okay? They all go through a proper training, 0.78

00:37:22.840 and then once they do, when they're all put in a group where they have to have a common outcome

00:37:27.320 or a common goal, we see the diversity and the different experiences and different backgrounds

00:37:32.120 lead to less groupthink and more innovation. And also, one more thing I really want to quickly

00:37:36.740 address. You said like, oh, we haven't really seen our military do anything recently, yada, yada,

00:37:41.160 yada. I mean, you might be right. I don't know. You might be wrong. But at the end of the day,

00:37:45.200 if you want to look at all of the different innovation that was contributed to our military during,

00:37:49.220 say, World War II, for example, there was a multitude of benefits that were brought to

00:37:55.140 our military from minority groups, whether they were black, women, or gay. So I don't think that 0.99

00:38:00.900 you can necessarily just say that they must not have an understanding or they must have the

00:38:04.260 understanding. What were some of those? I mean, you say multitudes. There's so many examples. Give

00:38:08.460 me one from World War II. Sure. So Alan Turning, he was a crypto analysis for the British government

00:38:14.400 during World War II. He was also a gay man. His code-breaking skills played a pivotal role in

00:38:20.020 intercepting coded German messages. I can give you another one. The multiplex telegram was used in

00:38:25.500 World War II, was invented by a black man named Granville T. Woods. He also invented the first

00:38:30.960 prototype of the gas mask. If you want another one, Heidi Lamar, she's a woman. She invented the 0.99

00:38:36.540 frequency hopping communication system, which now gives us Wi-Fi, GPS, and Bluetooth. These are all

00:38:42.620 things that have benefited the military that were brought to the military from diversity. So you

00:38:49.100 need to tell me, why are you in favor of weakening the military just because you don't want there to

00:38:55.240 be diversity? Can you explain that one? I'm not even anti-diversity. I just fail to see the logic

00:39:02.280 behind thinking that the less cohesive you make a group, the more likely it is to be able to

00:39:07.900 successfully fulfill a task, which would require it to be cohesive. You know, there's a reason when

00:39:12.380 you're, as you would know, Andrew, there's a reason that when you get into the military,

00:39:15.260 they haze you and they shave your head and they basically tell you that you're disposable. I mean,

00:39:20.320 the whole idea psychologically, and again, only 10% are in combat. The whole idea psychologically is

00:39:25.060 to remove any sort of identity you have and tell you that like, you are a unit and you're going to

00:39:30.380 maybe die and like, that's fine. And so this idea that like, oh, well, this guy happened to like

00:39:34.780 anal sex. And that's why he was able to create this piece of technology. And that made it better. 0.92

00:39:38.780 It's like, you know, don't ask, don't tell. I'm not saying you need to kick people out of the

00:39:43.160 military. I'm just saying that this efforts to purposefully have diversity, which is what we

00:39:47.520 have is a waste of military resources and diversity in general. I mean, I have yet to see any real

00:39:52.500 evidence. I mean, I haven't, I'm not familiar with the evidence that Hunter's presented. I'd like

00:39:55.760 him to email it to me, but you know, the most comprehensive, yeah, the most comprehensive study I think

00:40:00.880 we have on diversity in terms of like ethnicity is of course the Putnam study from 2011. Famous

00:40:05.800 social scientist from Harvard. And he found that as you increase ethnic diversity in a community,

00:40:10.460 everything goes down, political involvement, trust, everything goes down. The only thing that goes up

00:40:15.460 when you increase diversity is the amount of people protesting and the amount of people watching TV.

00:40:20.220 That's it. So I fail to see, and I fail to conceptualize how, you know, the great militaries

00:40:26.480 throughout the world would have been better if they simply had more people from different groups 0.64

00:40:30.900 or more women or more gay people. I just, I don't, that doesn't compute. And you know, on paper,

00:40:36.040 it sounds like it makes a lot of sense, but when we square that with what we know about how humans

00:40:40.220 behave and interact with each other, I think it really doesn't make sense. And I think that's

00:40:44.000 actually why he relies so heavily on papers and studies and things like that, because he doesn't

00:40:48.660 seem to want to argue just from like his own logic. He wants to, again, play the Pokemon card.

00:40:53.220 I've got my EX card. It's peer reviewed. And it's like my brother in Christ. You just,

00:40:57.840 you just can't really argue from, from within, from what you know. So.

00:41:02.400 Charizard cards going for hundreds of thousands of dollars these days. I'd like to empower you guys

00:41:07.480 to watch some Pawn Stars maybe. Hunter, you got the floor for up to five minutes. Say whatever you

00:41:11.940 want. Go right ahead. Yeah, I'll go ahead and just respond to all the really retarded things that 1.00

00:41:16.840 John Doyle just said. So first and foremost, he complained last time in his video about a bunch of

00:41:21.980 sexual assaults happening in the military. And he attributed that to gay people when in fact the

00:41:26.860 sexual assault rise in the military is actually a result of hazing. So oftentimes we see sexual

00:41:32.160 assaults at skyrocketing rates because straight men will literally go and sexually abuse other men

00:41:38.620 simply for the sake of hazing. This is a huge problem. You can read about it on army.com if you

00:41:43.740 don't believe it. So very good argument, John. Not sure why you're in favor of more sexual assault.

00:41:47.740 Second of all, Putman study. Very funny that you referenced that one. The Putman study was

00:41:52.760 actually the reason that they found that result was not because of diversity. It was rather because

00:41:57.560 there were racist dipshits like you, John, who were angry that black people were there. So because

00:42:03.480 there were racists, that negatively affected the cohesion, not having black people. In fact,

00:42:09.060 there are way better studies which have shown that when you put white and black people together in

00:42:13.300 the same community, excuse me, white people tend to become less racist because they no longer

00:42:19.380 perceive a threat by people that look different from them. Okay? Second of all, when it comes to

00:42:25.360 the military, minorities fare just as well in the military when the military emphasizes the end goal 0.99

00:42:30.580 of the mission rather than getting hung up on unique individual traits. You talk about cohesion,

00:42:36.800 I agree with you. A unit that is not cohesive will not function properly. But you are wrongly

00:42:42.240 attributing this idea that having diversity is somehow going to harm cohesion. That's not true.

00:42:48.500 Cohesion actually benefits when you accept more people because, again, you lower the perceived threat

00:42:55.800 and, in turn, you then get a benefit which is more innovation. So there have already been studies,

00:43:01.480 for example, that have shown that when people are hung up on gender identity or sexual orientation,

00:43:07.280 they actually destabilize their military rather than protecting their own capabilities. That harms

00:43:14.060 the military at the end of the day. So again, not sure, John, why you're in favor of a weaker

00:43:17.460 military. And lastly, you say, I'm just relying on studies, using them as Pokemon cards, yada, yada,

00:43:22.840 yada, this thing and the other thing, instead of feeling what's within. I'm sorry. I don't know why

00:43:27.540 you seem to be operating on a very womanly kind of basis here. But in my mind, I like to put facts

00:43:32.420 over feelings, okay? And right now, for someone like you, who unironically said that women are

00:43:38.600 less rational, I'm not sure why you are now relying on your own fifis to come to a conclusion when

00:43:43.600 that's not how the world works. If we went ahead and went by your logic, we would all be here

00:43:47.520 believing the world is flat. Now, I don't know what you believe. Maybe you do believe that. But

00:43:51.040 for most rational people, we recognize that the world is actually round, even though we've never seen

00:43:56.520 the round earth. We don't gauge within our own logic and our own little feelings. We look at studies

00:44:01.500 and data. And when you look at a multitude of studies, I'm not just pulling one fucking study

00:44:06.680 out of my ass here. We have a plethora of different data points, all showing that diversity integrated

00:44:13.140 into companies, betters the company, diversity integrated in the military, betters the military.

00:44:18.180 The reason our military is the strongest and most successful military in the entire world

00:44:22.980 is largely attributable to diversity. All right. Thank you, voice. Thank you, both boys for coming on.

00:44:30.620 Andrew, hold on. Yes, I will give you that 30 seconds in a moment. Thank you guys for coming

00:44:36.580 on. If you guys want to come back on in June, we can get you back on for a more structured debate

00:44:41.500 with more particular questions for you both to respond to. Hunter Avalon's YouTube channel

00:44:47.740 and Instagram and Twitter. You can find him on his own name, I believe, A-V-A-L-L-O-N-E, 0.59

00:44:53.400 and on his Discord, John Doyle, of course, Hack Off Comedy on YouTube. He's also often on Blaze TV,

00:44:58.840 Slightly Offensive, and all those wonderful shows. John Doyle, you were called a racist,

00:45:03.240 so you want to get 30 seconds for that? Yeah, I'm actually the least... Do I get 30 seconds to respond

00:45:07.080 from there? Sure. I'm actually the least racist person, but in our follow-up debate, in the meantime,

00:45:13.260 I would be curious, and I'm sure he'd be more than happy to send me all the information which

00:45:16.800 he was citing, and I can assure you that in the first part of our debate, if I'm allowed to speak

00:45:20.640 uninterrupted, I will refute one by one every single study he cites because it's wrong, and I don't know

00:45:25.280 the studies because I don't really keep up with that kind of stuff, but I know they're wrong.

00:45:28.760 And you can laugh, don't believe me, but just at least remember that I said it, because that's

00:45:31.760 what will happen. I'll prove to you that they're all incorrect. In terms of the Putnam study rebuttal,

00:45:35.440 he pronounced the name wrong of the author, but claims to know, like, the ins and outs of it.

00:45:39.080 It wasn't actually racist white people, because they didn't trust each other either. If you read

00:45:42.880 the study, you would know that trust as a general, as an aggregate, went down. So if that, what you're

00:45:47.340 saying was the case, measuring trust is just like that, it'd be like, oh, white people mad at black

00:45:51.520 people, but white people didn't trust each other anyways. Also, in terms of diversity,

00:45:55.740 I don't want to kick anybody out. They're lowering the bar to allow these people into the military.

00:45:59.680 That's my problem. Hunter, 30 seconds, really tight. Tighten it up.

00:46:03.080 So first and foremost, again, we're seeing John relying heavily on his fee fees. I don't know if

00:46:07.540 maybe he's still a snowflake in need of a safe space here, but again, I don't know. I'm staying

00:46:12.660 in 2016 because they still have to bother you, and I think that's very funny. So again, I rely on the data.

00:46:17.660 John relies on his feelings, as demonstrated by him saying, he's never read the studies,

00:46:22.260 but I'm sure they're all just wrong, LOL. Second of all, I don't care if I pronounced the author's

00:46:27.700 name incorrectly. The reason the trust was lower was because there was a higher rate of racism.

00:46:33.800 Racists are scared of black people, and if they act racist, that lowers the trust that black people

00:46:40.200 have in the general community as well. This is why we have seen that accepting all identities

00:46:44.760 benefits cohesion when it's implemented properly.

00:46:48.040 Okay, back to me. Thank you both. Hunter, you're going to come back for a debate with John Doyle?

00:46:52.620 Yeah, maybe.

00:46:53.840 Oh, yeah, we got a yeah, maybe.

00:46:55.260 I never got an opening statement either, so it's a little sad.

00:46:57.920 You'll get a big opening statement next time. Thank you, everybody, for watching.

00:47:01.500 Thank you both for coming on. I appreciate you both. It's hard to get people to come together

00:47:04.820 and talk like this. Thank you, guys.

00:47:06.420 I lie awake through the night, wonder how you are

00:47:11.060 Hitting my dreams, break the seams, tearing us apart

00:47:18.880 I'm holding on way too long and I don't know why

00:47:26.940 But you know me, I go quiet, I don't like to lie

Rebel News Podcast - May 13, 2022

ANDREW CHAPADOS ｜ DEBATE： Diversity in the military - John Doyle vs. Hunter Avallone ｜ Andrew Says 73

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