Rebel News Podcast - ANDREW CHAPADOS ｜ Election Special with Mikhaila Peterson, Ben Benkas and T.J. Laramie (UFC)

00:00:00.000 Welcome everybody to the Andrew Says election special. Thanks for joining us. We are hot on

00:00:11.040 the tail of the Canadian 2021 election. Joining me now in non-specific order, we've got comedian

00:00:17.400 Ben Bankus. Ben, you're a podcaster. You are a social media extraordinaire. How are you doing

00:00:24.360 today? Pretty good. Very lively answer. Question? Generic answer. TJ Laramie, UFC featherweight,

00:00:34.440 at LaramieTJ on Instagram, or TJ Laramie on Instagram, at LaramieTJ on Twitter. TJ, how

00:00:40.440 are you doing? You got a fight coming up, don't you? How is everything going? Good, man. I feel

00:00:45.040 great. I fight November 6th at Madison Square Garden. Ben Bankus can't help himself, you guys.

00:00:50.580 He's performing at a small bar next week. Our third and last but not least guest is

00:00:59.680 Michaela Peterson. You know her from her podcast and, of course, her website and Michaela Peterson

00:01:04.960 on Instagram. Michaela, how are you doing? I know you're very happy to see Ben Bankus. What's new

00:01:10.560 with you? I'm fantastic. I'm moving out of the country, so I'm doing great. We got a lot of

00:01:18.780 questions about that before we even start. A lot of people want to know how and why you're moving

00:01:23.000 and they probably want to know where. You don't have to tell them that, but what made you decide

00:01:26.700 to want to move to the U.S.? I don't like Toronto anymore. Toronto used to be cool. It was one of

00:01:33.100 like the greatest cities in the world, I think, and it's in chaos right now and I don't see it improving

00:01:39.300 and so I'm going to spend at least the winter in Nashville and just wait it out and see what happens

00:01:44.320 in six months because we either fix what's going on or everything gets much, much worse. So, I'm

00:01:48.980 hoping things don't get worse, but I'm out of here for the winter. Is this a subtle move of you getting

00:01:53.380 hired by the Daily Wire out in Nashville? No, not at all. Okay. Ben Bankus, did you get a chance to

00:02:00.720 watch the debates? We had two French ones, actually, and an English one. Did you get a chance to watch

00:02:05.980 them? What were your takeaways from that, Ben? Well, no, because I have a life. I like how you

00:02:11.700 asked Michaela how she's moving, like plane, train, automobile. No, I watched my friend send,

00:02:20.580 my friend sent me Snapchats of the debates and he put the face filter of my face on Rosemary Barton.

00:02:27.720 So, that's what I saw. That was pretty funny. That's the highlight for you, the whole debates

00:02:31.860 is your face being put on Rosemary Barton. Yeah, he put a fire beard on Jagmeet. Ben really saved his A 0.98

00:02:40.660 game, his A material for us. Jagmeet, Firebeard, Snapchat filters. TJ Laramie, how did making the

00:02:47.780 debates... I hate you. 0.99

00:02:49.440 How did watching the debates make you feel? Do you have hope for Canada after what you saw? 0.75

00:02:53.980 Are you enthusiastic about going and voting? Or what was your response like for yourself when you

00:02:59.660 heard all their questions being answered? I'm going to be honest, the debate didn't really

00:03:03.920 interest me too much because the party I support most wasn't invited. So, I didn't really take too

00:03:09.740 much interest into watching that. Michaela Peterson, do you think a lot of hope was given

00:03:15.240 to Canadian citizens after the last two debates? I mean, we saw politicians getting angry. We saw

00:03:21.120 them avoiding questions, arguing with each other. What was your biggest takeaway from the debates

00:03:24.960 overall? In my opinion, the platforms are almost identical. And the person that we should have

00:03:33.920 seen debating was Maxime Bernier, and he wasn't invited. So, that's an issue.

00:03:41.780 A lot of Bernier loving here, I feel like, today. Ben Benkis, if you have to make a prediction,

00:03:47.060 do you think we're going to go into lockdowns again if Justin Trudeau wins? Do you think we're

00:03:51.340 going to have more border closures? What do you think happens if Justin Trudeau wins the next

00:03:58.220 election? Jordan Peterson might win. Jordan Peterson will be the next Prime Minister of

00:04:02.260 Canada. No, I think Bernier is going to win by a landslide. Bernier. I'm kidding. Okay.

00:04:10.320 Yeah, I mean, we're all with lockdowns forever. I mean, what do you think? You think he's just

00:04:14.620 going to let up? You think Trudeau is going to win and be like, we're all free now? He's going to win

00:04:20.580 and be like, lock it down. And then, you know, there'll be another election in 18 months. But I

00:04:27.980 think that's the importance of, for people who are like, I don't know, I feel like it's a wasted vote

00:04:32.380 to vote for PPC. It's like, well, you're showing the establishment. And, you know, if anything, you're

00:04:37.740 pissing off Eric O'Toole, because if he can't win because you voted for PPC, then that should be a

00:04:42.640 wake-up call for everybody. Like Michaela said, you know, Bernier wasn't at the debates, so people are

00:04:48.140 going to vote for him, I think, even more. TJ, did any of the leaders come off as like realistic

00:04:54.860 human beings who you thought they were giving real, honest answers to the questions they were

00:04:58.980 posed? With all the leaders, like Michaela said, the platforms are pretty similar. And like you were

00:05:08.200 saying with the lockdowns, their lockdowns are among all the platforms too. They support everything.

00:05:12.760 conservatives, liberals, NDP alike, they all pretty much support the same thing. So you don't really

00:05:18.720 see too much difference between the two, or between all of them. You just see mainly just

00:05:24.480 nitpicking at one or the other. It kind of gets boring to watch. I think the other problem is that

00:05:30.140 we're actually in a situation where a lot of people want lockdowns. And that's the issue, more so than

00:05:35.940 the government's wanting them, is they've already convinced people that they're a good idea. Look

00:05:41.280 at Australia. And, you know, I know a lot of people are pissed off there, but a lot of people are

00:05:45.620 happy to get money and not have to go to work and not have to commute and stay home with their families.

00:05:52.460 So, you know, unless you're doing something like we're doing, or comedy, or, you know, fighting and

00:05:58.100 traveling, or doing something interesting, if you're working a boring job, why not? Why wouldn't you want

00:06:04.080 to be at home, right? So I think that's the bigger issue is kind of motivating our populations to not

00:06:09.400 to strive for above mediocrity. Michaela, you talked to a lot of people on your show. Did anybody

00:06:17.280 message you at all from overseas from the United States about the stuff that was happening during

00:06:22.480 the debates? There was a couple clips that we'll get to, one of which got viral with Justin Trudeau

00:06:27.800 having a bit of a meltdown. Did anybody ask you what the hell is going on in Canada right now?

00:06:32.220 I think people have just written Canada off. To tell you the truth. Sort of. I don't think

00:06:39.160 America cares. Yeah, sort out Australia. I mean, Australians have enough to be concerned about 1.00

00:06:44.640 being in Australia. Americans don't care about Canada. So no, the only people who are showing

00:06:50.380 interest in Canada at the moment are Canadians. I didn't get messages other than that. And I would

00:06:55.300 say Canadians are concerned. I also don't know if I agree with Ben, or I'm just in a different group of

00:07:00.320 people. But do you think people actually want the lockdowns to continue? I find it very difficult to

00:07:05.380 believe that people actually want this to continue.

00:07:07.260 Well, I am pretty outgoing. I walk around and I'm doing sober September. So I just talk to strangers

00:07:13.340 now. I've been walking up to strangers and some people you'll walk up to them. It's more specifically

00:07:19.960 around the Vax Pass. But I ask people, are you going to vote against the Vax Passport or vote for

00:07:27.280 somebody who's against it? And a lot of people say, against it? Against it? We need it. And those

00:07:33.920 are the same people that if lockdown happened, they'd be like, well, we need it. And they would

00:07:37.740 blame, you know, if they are upset about it, they're going to blame the unvaxxed, you know,

00:07:43.780 and then we'll move towards banning them from healthcare, which is pretty funny, because then if

00:07:49.840 the hospitals are full and the unvaxxed can't get healthcare, then who the heck is in the hospitals

00:07:54.760 causing the backlog.

00:07:59.140 Michaela, where are you getting the feeling that you think people are not for extended lockdowns?

00:08:06.320 I would say from Uber drivers, mostly, or people on the street. I don't know. It might just be

00:08:13.060 people I associate with, but there are a lot of Uber drivers and a lot of immigrants, specifically

00:08:17.980 immigrants that are not happy with what's going on. So most of the people I've spoken with are... 1.00

00:08:23.400 They don't. I've been informing them. And like, they're like, wow, we're screwed. One Uber

00:08:29.760 driver I had, he came from, he was from Somalia. And he had had a pretty rough time in Somalia. And he

00:08:36.580 was like, this is worse. I was like, I'm so sorry, you came to Canada in 2019. That was really bad

00:08:42.920 timing on your part. But PPC, I've been explaining that party to people. I think it's just a matter of

00:08:49.140 people don't understand what the party is, what the differences are, and how to vote for them,

00:08:55.660 even. It's like they don't exist yet.

00:08:58.440 Politicians officially worse than pilots. Here you have it, folks.

00:09:02.700 TJ, you're pretty outworked with your beliefs there and some of your political views. I mean,

00:09:07.880 you're not putting out dissertations or anything, but I think we can decipher who you're supporting.

00:09:12.260 What kind of feeling do you have in your circle of friends? I'm sure you talk to a lot of different

00:09:17.020 people, whether it's trainers, nutritionists, that sort of stuff, UFC staff. What's your feeling

00:09:22.180 around the people that you talk to? Are they about done with all this? Or do you think they would

00:09:26.900 continue with it if the government put forth the request of the people to continue to lock down?

00:09:33.580 A majority of people I actually hang around with don't support the Vax Pass and all that. But

00:09:39.680 I do get like, I'm pretty vocal on social media. So I get a lot of opinions from just people I don't

00:09:47.360 really know. And it's just like they're waiting for the next step. They think the next step is

00:09:53.320 going to be what eliminates all these lockdowns, what eliminates all these restrictions. But

00:09:57.640 that's how it's been since the beginning of just two weeks to flatten the curve. And then it's just,

00:10:02.700 oh, now it's a couple months. Now we just got to hit these vaccination numbers. And then it just

00:10:06.440 goes to, oh, now it's got to be 90% to 100%. So it just keeps going on and on and on. And they

00:10:11.960 always pick somebody new to blame. Like last year, when the school season started, they blamed the

00:10:15.920 kids going back to school. Like, it was like, they have a scapegoat every time something goes wrong,

00:10:21.200 you know? So most people I know are getting pretty fed up and tired with it. People in my personal life.

00:10:28.000 But as far as the political parties go, what I see a lot of in my friend group is, oh, we got to just

00:10:36.720 get Trudeau out. Let's vote conservative, you know? But I'm like, man, it's the same thing. You're

00:10:42.240 voting for the same party, essentially, right? So that's why you got to educate these people on what

00:10:47.900 PPC is. I mean, they've only been around for three years, right? So some of these parties have been

00:10:51.840 around for 100, right? So it takes a while to build up. I don't expect to win, obviously, this

00:10:57.000 election, but to get a few seats is a substantial gain. So just to inform more people. And obviously,

00:11:04.380 they're not giving Maxine much of a platform other than what he has on social media. So he's already

00:11:09.160 at a disadvantage. But I think this election will definitely show a lot more numbers for PPC,

00:11:16.680 which I'm pretty excited for. Andrew, what I think is interesting is that, you know,

00:11:21.520 this is like my friend here just said, what's your name again?

00:11:23.980 TJ said that, you know, they keep moving the goalposts. So you have these people basically

00:11:31.380 lying effectively about, you know, different statistics or what, you know, what we need to

00:11:36.720 be at so we can open society. And then they look at us, the citizens and go, why don't you listen to

00:11:42.540 the medical experts? It's like, because the medical experts just are making things up. The medical

00:11:47.740 experts don't believe the medical experts. If they believe them, then we would just not even,

00:11:52.220 we'd be talking about somebody else, talking about baseball right now.

00:11:55.060 They've been wrong on almost every mark they've said so far.

00:11:57.320 Yeah, they just say things that are wrong. And then they're like, why wouldn't you believe what

00:12:03.260 I have? It's like, nothing you say is true.

00:12:06.900 Michaela, I'm going to ask you about a lot of what TJ said there, because I think that echoes a lot of

00:12:11.140 what I see in my inbox mostly is, why don't you support Aaron O'Toole? We have to get Justin Trudeau out.

00:12:17.640 Do you get a lot of complaints about the vote splitting argument, and that the first goal should

00:12:22.100 be getting Prime Minister Justin Trudeau out of office, and then worrying about the, you know,

00:12:26.600 specifics of policies that should be in place after the fact? Do you hear a lot of that from your

00:12:31.400 audience?

00:12:32.900 Yeah, and I actually had Maxime Bernier on my podcast, and I asked him that directly, which was,

00:12:38.540 aren't you worried about splitting the conservative vote and then having Trudeau win? Because that would

00:12:42.840 be terrible. Like, isn't that a concern of yours? And his response was, there is no conservative

00:12:48.300 party of Canada. They are the liberals. And I was like, well, yeah, okay, but you probably just want

00:12:53.780 to win. So maybe that's not quite accurate. But then I started looking into Aaron O'Toole's platform

00:13:00.080 more, and he wants a vaccine passport. Like, almost all of his policies are very, very, very similar

00:13:08.240 to the liberals. So he basically moved the conservative party over to the left to steal

00:13:12.940 liberal votes. So there isn't a conservative party. So I'm a bit, actually, no, I've made my

00:13:19.860 decision, and I'm voting for Maxime Bernier, the PPC. And that's because...

00:13:25.700 Just step down and let Bernier do it? That'd be sick.

00:13:29.300 Yeah, that's definitely not happening. Hopefully he wins, and then the PPC gets seats. But I don't

00:13:36.360 think there is a conservative party of Canada at the moment. The conservative party of Canada,

00:13:40.060 led by Aaron O'Toole, certainly isn't conservative.

00:13:43.660 Caleb Pearson taking a dark turn into the realm of no hope, I think. I want to show some videos

00:13:50.340 here. Justin Trudeau, he's been... People have been pointing out that he's been very angry on the

00:13:55.400 campaign trail. Now, he said people have a right to be angry not more than a couple months ago.

00:14:00.880 And then when people started showing that anger towards him, the heckling, the blocking his bus,

00:14:04.660 and what have you, he said all of a sudden, no, those other people out there protesting this,

00:14:08.880 they need to stop with the anger. It's not who we are. And I should have said that my best Ben

00:14:12.960 Bankist, Trudeau impersonating. It's not who we are as Canadians. So, producer Justin, can we go ahead

00:14:18.320 and play that video of Justin Trudeau, Justin and Justin there, talking about how you can't get on a

00:14:24.920 plane or a train, or you shouldn't, unless you're vaccinated, because of how dangerous it is.

00:14:29.020 You deserve better. You deserve a government that's going to continue to say,

00:14:33.560 get vaccinated. And you know what? If you don't want to get vaccinated,

00:14:38.920 that's your choice. But don't think you can get on a plane or a train besides vaccinated people 0.99

00:14:44.420 and put them at risk. We need to be strong in the decisions we're taking going forward,

00:14:51.200 and we need to put people first, which we have always done.

00:14:55.580 Ben Bankist is motioning something to me.

00:15:00.360 I mean, he's clearly on Adderall.

00:15:05.000 Like, nobody's that passionate about anything, even politicians.

00:15:11.380 Michaela Pearson, do you think this is going to create a two-tiered society,

00:15:15.720 putting this many people? I mean, it's 25% of the country of Canadians who wouldn't qualify 1.00

00:15:21.460 to be on a plane or a train. Is this creating a tiered society system like we see in some other

00:15:27.020 countries?

00:15:29.720 100%. I watched a clip yesterday of a university professor. It was this woman who's been a tenured

00:15:35.100 university professor for 20 years, and she's an ethics professor. I can't remember the university,

00:15:40.020 but she got fired. Western, yeah. She got let go because she wouldn't get vaccinated because she 0.99

00:15:46.500 said it was unethical to force, you know, vaccines or vaccines that haven't been around for a while

00:15:52.260 on people. So I've had people, one of the guys I had on my podcast, his name's Rav Aurora. He's a

00:15:59.100 journalist for New York Post, and he got fired from his job because he's not vaccinated,

00:16:05.900 and his parents are potentially being fired because they're not vaccinated. So yeah, this is

00:16:12.140 a huge problem, which is why I'm going to be wintering in Nashville.

00:16:16.980 Ben, does this set a precedent for the ability for people to ask, mainly, I guess, government places,

00:16:23.080 to ask medical history for other things? Are we going to go down the road where people need to

00:16:28.300 prove that they're disabled, you know, to use a wheelchair? Are you thinking this is going to set 1.00

00:16:34.020 a bad precedent for the future of this country? Well, I think people with herpes shouldn't be

00:16:38.760 allowed in nightclubs. I don't know. Well, digital IDs are coming to Ontario. That's going to be linked

00:16:47.240 to everything. But my thing is, when you go to a government agency to get even your passport or

00:16:55.120 anything, they're just so slow and unorganized. And it's, you know, even with this vax passport rollout,

00:17:02.020 it's going to be a disaster. The 22nd is going to be hilarious. There is just going to be people

00:17:07.940 clamoring over each other. There's going to be fake passes left, right, and center. They're creating

00:17:12.800 another, all of these restrictions from lockdowns, quarantine, all this stuff, it just creates more

00:17:18.200 and more black market. And, you know, my one friend who's a lawyer said this, that basically the

00:17:23.900 population is being trained, like the rule of law is being eroded. Because everybody's breaking the

00:17:31.020 rules at all times, you know, and if we have Bill C-10 and C-36 come in, every, you know,

00:17:37.380 a casual, every golf course conversation will be a federal crime. So what are we doing here? We're

00:17:44.600 just making everybody a criminal and we just get to pick, you know, like in Soviet Union, you just pick 0.82

00:17:49.060 who are we arresting today because everybody's guilty. TJ, as I mentioned, 26% of the population

00:17:55.800 would not qualify to be on a train or a plane. That's one dose to people and people who haven't

00:18:00.740 been vaccinated at all. How do you think this type of messaging, and I think it's clear that Trudeau

00:18:04.620 has gotten angrier as his campaign has gone on. There's no doubt about that in my mind. How do you

00:18:09.100 think people who are unvaccinated or unqualified to go on a plane or a train, how do you think this

00:18:13.400 sounds to them? Well, I think it's pretty obvious that you're just putting these people at a lower tier

00:18:20.020 in society compared to other people, you know, based on a vaccine status. And then we go back

00:18:25.540 to the point where it's like previously, if you were flying internationally, you needed a test to

00:18:29.700 fly. You needed all these things. You needed a test to come back. So my question is like, okay,

00:18:34.700 do you trust your vaccines or do you trust your tests or do you trust neither? That like, if there's

00:18:39.080 not other measures put in place to possibly whatever, like curve COVID or whatever's out there,

00:18:44.500 then I'm not sure what to really believe. You know, everybody's, all these politicians are going

00:18:49.960 back and forth. Medical professionals are going back and forth and they're not being really too

00:18:54.000 direct with what works or what they trust or what they believe in. And as far as Trudeau goes in that

00:19:02.700 video you just played, he's just starting to sound very desperate. And they pretty much coerced most of

00:19:08.720 the population to get the vaccine. So most people aren't really against vaccine passports because it

00:19:14.600 doesn't affect them. Right. So that's part of the master race now. Exactly. So they, they, 0.98

00:19:19.800 they, if you can give someone a chance to maybe feel a little bit better, a little bit higher up

00:19:24.160 than somebody else, they're going to take it, especially, you know what I mean? It doesn't,

00:19:27.900 it's no nuisance to them at this point, but it's all, it's all about liability, right? Like it's

00:19:32.740 really just businesses and companies just being like, how, what, what do we do so that we don't get

00:19:37.860 sued if somebody gets sick? Yeah. And then, you know, and the people are like, it's not about science.

00:19:42.880 It's about control. Yeah, it is to an extent, but it's also just the law is like such that

00:19:48.840 everybody's trying to protect themselves and this is their way of doing it. And it makes no sense.

00:19:55.460 Yeah. It's not logical. It's, it just has to do with, well, we don't want to be sued. So we

00:19:59.880 better make sure everybody has to be vaxxed or blah, blah, blah. Yeah. I mean, the, that theory would

00:20:04.620 make sense if vaccinated people were completely a hundred percent safe, you know? Well, it doesn't

00:20:08.940 make sense, but they're just like, it's just a, it's just paperwork, right? Yeah. Like how can we,

00:20:13.800 well, it's as easy. They're, they're coming out with this digital QR code for the vaccine

00:20:17.540 passport. It's as easy as screenshotting your friends and using that as a big one.

00:20:21.360 Can I have one? You guys, we talked a lot about, um, the, the party's platforms not being

00:20:27.800 dissimilar enough for it to matter without Maxine Bernier on the stage of the debates. I want to show

00:20:32.880 a video of Aaron O'Toole on a news broadcast where they sort of ask him how he plans on getting out

00:20:37.780 of debt with all the spending. Can we play that clip, please? We have a massive debt here. Um,

00:20:43.380 how do you intend, if you are elected prime minister, how do you intend to have this paid

00:20:48.180 off so that generations are not paying for this for years to come? Great question, Melanie. We're

00:20:54.600 spending right now, $424 million a day more than we're bringing in. That's not sustainable and that's

00:21:01.780 leading to inflation. So we have a plan to balance the budget over 10 years, focusing on help for

00:21:07.760 families, help for small businesses, especially services and restaurants struggling after the

00:21:12.680 pandemic, get them back on their feet, some funds for healthcare and for mental health. We've got the

00:21:18.740 third pillar of our plan is, is a national leadership role on mental health, but we have to get spending

00:21:23.980 down in a way that's fair and disciplined. I love the debit card B roll. That's my favorite part of

00:21:29.440 the whole broadcast there. Um, I want to just go off a list off the top of my head here that I wrote

00:21:34.500 down of the things Aaron O'Toole plans on spending more on mental health, childcare, uh, restaurant

00:21:39.720 rebates. He wants to give people money back for eating in restaurants a couple of days a week.

00:21:43.420 No tax in this. Yeah, that's a real thing. No tax in December, um, on purchases, funding for the

00:21:51.540 reserves and increased, uh, healthcare. That's aside from mental health and childcare, increased

00:21:56.220 healthcare spending. Ben Bank is this plan where it's over 10 years, which essentially is elect me

00:22:01.960 twice and I'll do what I promised to do. Uh, does this make any sense fiscally to you?

00:22:07.580 Yeah, I'm really the person to ask about financial responsibility. Um, I don't know. I mean,

00:22:13.520 if you go on Aaron O'Toole's social media, he talks about these, these issues that, you know, people,

00:22:19.980 if the world wasn't falling apart, people would be like, yes, great. Let's talk about that. Um,

00:22:26.100 and, and like Michaela said, he's trying to get the liberal vote. He's trying to get the woke vote.

00:22:30.560 Um, and the people who would regularly vote conservative or in the comments going, what

00:22:36.100 about the Vax pass? Um, and, and what is that leading to? And that is, you know, every time he

00:22:44.240 speaks, if he's not talking about that and he just, uh, brushes those questions aside, then,

00:22:49.260 you know, he's going to lose core true conservatives. Um, you know, and some of them are maybe are more

00:22:56.340 radical, that are more anti-vax versus they're just pro choice, but you know, that's just the

00:23:02.560 road he's going down. And sometimes I watch some of the things he says and I go, this guy wants to

00:23:07.720 lose. Michaela, uh, how do you think Canadians feel about this ever growing debt? Do you think

00:23:14.820 that is, I mean, obviously people notice when their, uh, cost of gas and their rents going higher

00:23:20.020 and everything's exploding into, into inflation, but do you think this is really top of mind for

00:23:26.020 Canadians spending more and more money and increasing our national debt?

00:23:31.380 No, I kind of agree with Ben. I think if we're not talking about COVID and reopening or closing or

00:23:37.840 getting vaccinated or not getting vaccinated or forcing vaccinations, nobody cares about anything

00:23:42.360 else right now. It's like, are you, when, when COVID inevitably goes up in the winter, are you going

00:23:49.960 to shut down the economy again? Like, that's the question people want to know. Are you going to

00:23:54.240 mandate vaccine passports? Which I think we have a clear answer on that, which is yes. I think from 0.82

00:23:58.560 both parties, right guys, I think they're both on, are on. Isn't Aaron O'Toole saying that he won't

00:24:05.900 mandate it? Yeah. He's saying he'll, uh, let the provinces implement their own vaccine passports,

00:24:11.580 but, uh, I, I think they would still probably keep a federal one in place if I had to guess.

00:24:17.900 All the provinces are already putting one in place, so it makes no difference.

00:24:21.480 Yeah. So he, he wants to sound like he's very, uh, pro provincial rights and that it's everyone

00:24:28.020 in like none of it. Like you can't go to Walmart and none of it. If you don't have like a,

00:24:33.560 somebody look up how many Walmarts are in one of it. I'm guessing it's under two.

00:24:37.400 Hopefully one. Hopefully at least one. TJ Laramie, you're a working class guy.

00:24:41.280 You fight for a living. You, uh, do contracting, you do haircuts. What is this kind of talk of?

00:24:47.000 We have unlimited amounts of money from the conservative candidate. How does that sound

00:24:50.920 to you? Uh, well, I mean, at the end of the day, uh, like, like, uh, Ben and Michaela were saying,

00:24:58.320 uh, everybody's concern right now is COVID and whether or not we're going to be in lockdowns

00:25:03.080 again, because industries like, uh, like for me, for example, if I'm cutting hair and barbering,

00:25:07.800 um, or even training, training has been extremely hard in Canada, uh, with all these lockdowns and

00:25:14.060 things shutting down. Right. So how are we going to ensure that these people are going to be able

00:25:17.640 to make money? How are these, how are we going to stay open? You know, and there, there's no answer

00:25:22.100 to that. And there's no, there's no definite answer on any of those, those topics currently it's,

00:25:28.020 oh, if the numbers go up, we're going to lock down and they're already playing. You can already tell

00:25:31.340 they're slowly retracting things back now. Uh, and we're moving towards a lockdown for sure

00:25:36.740 within the next month or two. You know, what I think is interesting is that they only talk about

00:25:40.420 who the vaccinated versus unvaccinated with hospitalizations, but they don't talk about

00:25:46.300 that with cases. So they'll be like, there's a thousand cases. And of that 300 people are in

00:25:51.320 hospital and of that, you know, 90% or whatever are vaccinated or unvaccinated. It's like, well,

00:25:57.120 who's, who's spreading it? Is it only the unvaccinated? Because let's look at the case 0.84

00:26:03.620 numbers, who's vaccinated versus who isn't. That's, I mean, is that stupid? No. And at the 1.00

00:26:10.860 end of the day too, I mean, if you like my haircut, by the way, Oh, that's great. Yeah. My girlfriend

00:26:15.400 at the end of the day, if, uh, if these people are vaccinated and it's supposed to show you less

00:26:22.100 symptoms, these people aren't getting tested. You know, they aren't going to be getting cops or

00:26:27.100 sneezes or losing their taste and smell. So they won't be going to get tested and they won't be

00:26:31.320 bringing in the numbers that we should be seeing if they want to stop the spread so bad.

00:26:35.480 And I think a lot of unvaccinated people aren't getting tested because right. Like, like generally, 0.99

00:26:40.960 I think people who get the most tested for COVID are people who are the most worried about COVID.

00:26:46.480 The people who are wearing masks, getting vaccinated. They're the ones who are like, 0.92

00:26:49.480 do I have it? I have a sniffle. People who are unvaxxed are like, I don't know. I had a cold.

00:26:53.320 I laid down and then I, you know, I played grand theft auto for two days. You know what? So

00:26:57.720 it's very, people also, people also don't want to quarantine. Right. So if they have a cold and

00:27:03.980 they're like, well, maybe it's COVID, they don't want to go get tested so that they're being checked

00:27:08.000 up on if they're, whether or not they're quarantining. So I would say a lot of people

00:27:13.400 aren't getting tested. It's like the logic of going to a restaurant and they like, they ask you those

00:27:19.980 first of all, going to a restaurant, if you're on a date and the first question is, do you have

00:27:23.780 diarrhea on like a, to, to see if you can come to the restaurant, but who, who's going to a

00:27:29.360 restaurant and they, Oh, you have a, a, a screening test. Oh, I do have all these symptoms. I better

00:27:35.000 go home. Like, like, it's just so stupid. I think that's a, comes from the liability thing against 1.00

00:27:40.420 Ben. But it's, but it makes, it just makes people go insane because they're just like, what am I

00:27:44.640 doing? No, no, no, no. Everywhere you go, you have to go. No, no, no, no, no. I assume they're going to

00:27:49.160 trick you. And you're going to be like, actually, one of the nodes was a yes. So you have COVID,

00:27:54.640 you have to go home. So the federal debates were lovely times. And a lot of the first debate seemed

00:28:00.240 to be focused around the leaders, not wanting to talk to rebel news or, you know, try to give their

00:28:06.380 latest cool quip and clever quip to, to one of our reporters. So I want to show Justin Trudeau, I would

00:28:12.160 qualify it as a meltdown. People like Avi Amini, Jack Posobiec said that he was on the verge of tears.

00:28:17.480 Take that as what you want for how it looks to you. Let's go ahead and play that clip. This is him

00:28:22.860 responding to a reporter, Tamara. I thought it was a fairly simple question. Let's go ahead.

00:28:28.980 The reality is organizations, organizations like yours that continue to spread misinformation and

00:28:39.460 disinformation on the science around vaccines, around how we're going to actually get through

00:28:46.160 this pandemic and be there for each other and keep our kids safe is part of why we're seeing such

00:28:53.360 unfortunate anger and lack of understanding of basic science. And quite frankly, your,

00:29:02.500 I won't call it a media organization, your group of individuals need to take accountability for

00:29:10.880 some of the polarization that we're seeing in this country. And I think Canadians are cluing into the

00:29:18.620 fact that there is a really important decision we take about the kind of country we want to see.

00:29:24.840 And I salute all extraordinary, hardworking journalists that put science and facts at the

00:29:31.440 heart of what they do and ask me tough questions every day, but make sure that they are educating

00:29:38.580 and informing Canadians from a broad range of perspectives, which is the last thing that you guys do.

00:29:46.220 I want to know what science he's referring to specifically. I mean, he mentions how dangerous

00:29:51.660 everything is for children. I have the stats right here. 12 people under 20 in the country died of

00:29:57.560 COVID, 70 people under 30 and less than one, and less than 1000 people under 50. So if you span that

00:30:03.880 over six months, that's one person per day under 50 that has died of COVID. So I'm not sure exactly.

00:30:10.660 It is. We don't want anybody to die. Obviously, that's an easy thing to say. But when you're going to

00:30:14.860 call somebody an organization anti-science and then just, you know, not have the correct terminology on

00:30:21.160 your hands about how dangerous it is for children, that's really strange to me. TJ Laramie, what do

00:30:26.120 you make of that? I know that's the first time you're seeing that. How does that make you feel

00:30:29.960 with the prime minister that, you know, he hates us so much that he can't answer a question about

00:30:34.120 something? Honestly, that video, like, it's not surprising to see that kind of response from him

00:30:39.340 because it's just, it's a one source of media that's going a little bit against whatever, or just

00:30:44.860 showing the other side of what people, what people are seeing in all the other mainstream medias.

00:30:49.780 And it goes against slightly what he's trying to promote and to support where, where, I mean,

00:30:54.500 he's, he's going into the morality of, oh, if you don't get vaccinated, you're hurting other people,

00:30:59.620 you're doing this, you're a bad person, you know, where it's like, oh, and then he brings children

00:31:04.300 into it. Of course, you have to do that, you know, cause that's a, that's the last straw, you know?

00:31:08.740 But like, like you were saying, if you're talking about science and you want to talk about numbers,

00:31:14.000 kids are a little, like, there's a little difference between this and the regular flu when it comes to,

00:31:18.860 uh, fatalities, uh, with, with this virus, right? So if he's talking about science, I mean,

00:31:26.200 you just show the numbers and people can decide for themselves. It's not hard to figure out.

00:31:30.140 Ben, a group of individuals doing media together, I would think is defined as a media organization.

00:31:36.480 Does the prime minister know, why does he think it's a victory to not call us a media or media

00:31:41.100 organization? I don't know, but I'm offended that he assumed your individuality.

00:31:46.200 Is that a gender thing? I don't know. Uh, I think he's just trying to like turn on woke 0.84

00:31:53.760 people or like women, they, whatever. Cause he does look good in a suit. Can we at least 0.97

00:32:00.120 admit that he was kind of hot in that video? Um, but not for me, but like, if you were like

00:32:05.420 believing in how evil rebel was and you saw him do that, you'd be like, yeah, he's sticking

00:32:10.540 it. So he's just trying to get people he's using, he's trying to use this anger, fear thing and get

00:32:17.480 people angry. And, uh, you know, they will, like, if you were to talk to people who support him and

00:32:23.640 they'd be like rebel, they, they to say, they just regurgitate what he says. They're evil. They're bad.

00:32:29.360 It's misinformation. I like how he says misinformation and disinformation. What is that?

00:32:33.680 It's like, what do you, what's the difference? He's saying that we're doing it on purpose and

00:32:37.760 by accident because we're too stupid, I guess. I'm not sure. Um, Michaela, you're not a big fan 1.00

00:32:43.480 of Trudeau. I take it. I know you're not a big fan of mine. How does, how does Justin Trudeau and

00:32:48.800 the other leaders, uh, Blanchette, uh, Jagmeet, the coolest guy in the world. How do you think this

00:32:54.160 looks to a person who's a fan of neither that the leaders just can't take a question because it's

00:32:59.020 from, from somebody they do, they don't like, excuse me. I'm a little bit concerned that most

00:33:05.120 of the population can't tell Trudeau is not very smart. So seriously, like if you haven't figured

00:33:11.640 it out by now, then when are you going to figure it out? So if it's, if you're someone who's attracted

00:33:19.060 to that kind of response and you can't see the kind of like Ben pointed out, he's, I wouldn't

00:33:24.260 necessarily use the word manipulating, but kind of manipulating people's emotions. If you can't see

00:33:29.740 that, you're probably not very smart. And if most of the country is like that, I don't see how we're

00:33:34.860 going to make it through the winter. Like we know what he did for a living before. It's not like it's

00:33:41.260 a mystery. It's like he was a board instructor. He was a drama teacher. I remember my drama teacher

00:33:47.360 and I failed. I actually failed drama, um, because they didn't go because it was so bad. Um, and I

00:33:53.000 guarantee you his, his class was no better. So it's pathetic. It's not like he has a PhD 0.99

00:33:58.260 or something. He's a PhD in love. I think you're forgetting that. Um, I want, I want to get

00:34:04.220 to some fan questions. I put up a post yesterday, if anyone wanted to ask any questions, and this

00:34:08.680 would be the, the thing that I think sends us into the Ben Bankist stratosphere here.

00:34:12.640 This is his time to shine. I'm really trying to set them up. Well, the first question is

00:34:17.820 from Philly boy hoops, who I think has been Bankist. Um, he wanted to, when is Michaela running

00:34:22.720 for prime minister? I think we can turn that into a question of, is Michaela Peterson ever

00:34:26.620 considering running for public office?

00:34:31.180 I think you probably have more influence depending on how big your social media game is.

00:34:38.200 Like look at somebody like Joe Rogan. So no, but I'm planning on getting bigger on social

00:34:44.980 media and trying to influence things that way. Like even having people on your platform.

00:34:48.680 Um, I hooked Maxine Bernier up with my dad. So he's going on dad's podcast next week. So

00:34:54.220 hopefully that'll change things. But I think that there are better ways to, um, how do I

00:35:01.320 put this? Better ways to have some power than necessarily going into office. Plus I don't

00:35:07.180 think I could handle it. I'm too volatile.

00:35:09.080 But don't you think it's a stepping stone nowadays? Like, you know, like how Trump, like, like getting

00:35:13.700 some sort of fame or notoriety first, I think could help. And then doing it. And then doing

00:35:20.060 it. Yeah, we'll see. We'll see. Maybe. The president of the U.S. in our lifetime, potentially. He might

00:35:25.260 just get that fed up and run. I could, I could get behind that. Well, we'll see what the future

00:35:32.060 brings. Maybe. That'd be bad. Maybe. Or I might stay in Nashville. That would be good. That'd be

00:35:38.020 badass. I like that. President Rogan, Vice President who, Ben Vankus? Michaela? Are you a citizen, Michaela?

00:35:45.540 Is that what the secret is here? No. Okay. No, I'm not. But that'd be cool if Michaela was Prime

00:35:50.740 Minister, Rogan was President. Wow. I can get behind that. If Rogan becomes, if Rogan becomes

00:35:56.880 President, then I'll consider it. Yeah. That's a fair trade-off. Okay. The second question is for TJ

00:36:02.400 from Rob Van Barnveld, 85. What would you say to Teresa Tan if you met her face-to-face?

00:36:10.120 Oh, man. Like, I wouldn't really have words. I would just have to ask her. Like, my biggest

00:36:16.960 thing with her is where she comes up with all these make-believe fake numbers, her predictions 0.80

00:36:21.180 on all these skyrocketing waves. At one point, she was predicting Canada to have over 60,000

00:36:26.240 cases a day. It's like she's just pulling these things out of thin air.

00:36:29.580 Okay. I wanted to ask Ben Vankus, but I don't know if I should.

00:36:34.920 I'll keep it tame. Go ahead.

00:36:38.580 Okay. No, I won't. I would just, I would ask her if she's seen my work.

00:36:45.640 Michaela, if you could have one of these people on, like, Justin Trudeau or Teresa Tam, maybe

00:36:49.900 even Doug Ford. What's your, what's the bare bones most simple question you think you're

00:36:55.360 going to ask one of these people? I assume that you disagree with the way they've handled

00:36:58.640 everything. I would probably ask them, okay, say vaccines don't spread the, don't stop

00:37:06.640 the spread of COVID. What's the plan? Like, say COVID doesn't go away and vaccines don't

00:37:13.160 work very well and people are still getting sick. What's the plan? Are we still shutting

00:37:17.800 down the economy? Like, at what, at what point do we say, okay, this is around, we don't have

00:37:24.060 a great solution for it and we need to just continue, like, open up the economy and just

00:37:29.660 live with it. So, that'd be my question is just, what does it look like when we say, okay, we're

00:37:35.260 done, this is here and we just have to get through this and this is life now?

00:37:39.980 Forced suicides.

00:37:42.180 Are Doug Ford's daughters going to come on your show? I think that would be a good move for them.

00:37:46.340 Do you think that's possible, Michaela? Probably. I could reach out and see. I don't know. I don't

00:37:55.260 know. If I were them, I'd probably be staying away from controversy.

00:38:00.320 They don't?

00:38:01.040 They don't.

00:38:01.740 I hear you on that and then I'm going to touch on that too. They're happy to do it on social

00:38:05.540 media, but wouldn't that sort of be like if Michaela Peterson refused to comment on the

00:38:09.540 stuff that's going on with her dad?

00:38:10.860 Yeah, but I mean, my brother is not around. He doesn't exist on social media, so I can see why

00:38:20.340 families would want to stay not involved. I clearly wanted to be involved. I don't know how

00:38:25.360 to fix these things. I'm not very happy with Doug Ford either. Like, he's supposed to be

00:38:28.740 conservative and he just goes, feels like he goes in whatever direction whoever spoke to him last

00:38:34.860 goes.

00:38:37.340 Sounds like they're going to be on the Ben Banker's podcast as their first step.

00:38:40.860 That should go over well. This question is for Ben Banker from Wickwire. Ben, can you weigh

00:38:45.860 in on how Howard Stern is praising the establishment and vaccines?

00:38:50.920 I don't know. People get rich and then, like, if I was rich enough, I probably wouldn't be here.

00:38:57.020 I'd not come on this show. I don't know. Like, you know, people get to that point where they're

00:39:02.780 like, what do I got? What do I give me the, you know, like Biden, give me the list. What am I

00:39:07.760 saying? I agree with the, you know, so

00:39:11.540 I think a lot of people who would have said differently 20 years ago, how they feel are

00:39:20.180 now on the side that you're like, I can't believe Howard Stern or so-and-so is agreeing

00:39:25.380 to this. And it's like, cause I don't know, they probably just don't care anymore. But if

00:39:29.520 it was them 20 years ago, they totally wouldn't be on board with this. And that's why a lot

00:39:34.700 of conspiracies exist because it's like, I don't know, these, um, I don't know what

00:39:40.520 I was going to say. I had, I had a thought, but he had a joke. Yes. I promise you. Well,

00:39:45.080 I do think that Justin Trudeau is always, you know, he can't, he doesn't understand why

00:39:48.900 there's so many conspiracies yet. He legalized weed and made everybody high 24 seven. He's

00:39:53.860 like, so everybody's high now. Why are they have conspiracy theories? It's like you did

00:39:57.560 that. All right. I think it's time for our last question. I want to get some predictions

00:40:02.760 from you guys, maybe a comment on how Maxime Bernier was kept out of the debates. I know

00:40:07.680 I think most of us have, have spoken to him in person at this point. Um, starting with TJ,

00:40:13.500 what exactly do you think is the result going to be from this election? Do you think Bernier

00:40:17.340 makes a big splash? Do you think Trudeau gains or loses ground? What do you think?

00:40:20.680 Uh, I definitely think PPC is going to win at least one seat, uh, in Maxime's riding

00:40:25.940 for sure. Uh, seeing two to three would be ideal, but like I said, there's a, they've

00:40:31.960 only been around for three years. They're getting zero media push at all, you know, by the big

00:40:37.560 sources, uh, no spot in the debates. People really don't know who they are, but if they

00:40:41.900 can even have any showing in the, uh, in the house, that would be, that would be great.

00:40:46.800 Mikhail Peterson, same question to you. What's, uh, your bold prediction that we should all

00:40:51.380 bet 10 grand on right now?

00:40:54.360 I think the conservatives are going to win. There'll be a liberal minority.

00:40:59.740 Uh, and I think the PPC are going to see more votes. I think going on dad's podcast next week

00:41:06.540 will help. And then hopefully maybe next round, there'll be more seen as a legitimate party.

00:41:12.280 Uh, yeah, I think the conservatives are going to win though. I think everybody's kind of fed up

00:41:18.240 with Trudeau. I hope.

00:41:20.260 Ben Bankus, are you writing yourself in on election day?

00:41:24.460 What does that mean? Voting?

00:41:25.800 Voting for yourself.

00:41:27.680 Like what?

00:41:29.120 All right. How about you just say it's a question and then it's dead.

00:41:31.820 Am I, who am I voting for?

00:41:33.340 No, what do you think is going to happen?

00:41:34.780 The joke was, and I expect you to know these things are mean, but you're going to vote for yourself.

00:41:38.860 Oh, well let's leave the comedy to me, Andrew. It's like when I'm doing a show and I ask an

00:41:46.580 audience member something and then they try to be funny and I'm like, no, don't do that. Just

00:41:50.700 answer. Um, first of all, I want to say what I thought before that I forgot was I was saying

00:41:56.780 about the Howard Stern and these guys. It's, it almost feels like society waited for all these

00:42:01.740 people to get rich enough that they wouldn't care about all this going on. And a lot of people that

00:42:06.940 would have been outspoken about this are like dead and gone. So that creeps me out. That's

00:42:11.280 just my conspiracy. Um, but as far as what's going to happen, I don't know. It's going to be,

00:42:16.400 you know, Aaron O'Toole and Trudeau are neck and neck. That's what they keep saying. They're

00:42:21.640 neck and neck. It's like, well, one guy, isn't one guy kind of supposed to be like in jail or

00:42:25.680 something. And then the other guy's just bald. I don't know. Hopefully burn. It would be so cool

00:42:32.260 if all the polls were just wrong. Like it was like a Trump style, just sweet. But I think it's

00:42:38.940 possible actually that the, I think it's possible that Jagmeet could win because the PPC could split

00:42:45.600 the vote. So it could actually get higher. They're at 11% or 12% now they could get as high as 20%

00:42:51.340 when the, when, cause a lot of people are closeted PPC voters and kind of everybody's going to be in

00:42:56.960 that 20%. And, you know, so it's a toss up. I think it's a real toss up. People are, you know,

00:43:02.440 if you look at the polls, it's not, but like, like, and Michaela's has the more prudent view of it,

00:43:07.400 but I think it could really be a toss up.

00:43:11.600 Signing time to be Canadian. Lockdowns, who knows if they're coming again? Hopefully not. I want to 1.00

00:43:16.080 thank all of our guests, Ben Bankus from the Ben Bankus podcast on YouTube and Instagram. And of

00:43:21.380 course his Patreon, TJ Laramie, UFC fighter, TJ Laramie on Instagram fighting. What day again,

00:43:26.420 TJ? November 6th. November 6th. I'm going to be watching Michaela Peterson,

00:43:30.820 the Michaela Peterson podcast. She's fleeing the country, but thank you for joining us.

00:43:36.200 Michaela, is everything okay over there? You seem a little depressed.

00:43:39.640 I'm not, I'm not depressed. I don't seem depressed. I'm, I'm fantastic.

00:43:44.680 This is, this is just what Andrew, this is Andrew's like flirting or something.

00:43:48.240 No, it is not. Okay. Thanks to our, thanks for shutting down Andrew.

00:43:52.500 Yeah. That's what I go for. I go for the bad joke and then Ben comes in and saves me.

00:43:58.060 It's okay if you're blushing because then you almost look tan.

00:44:01.640 Thank you to producer Justin and producer Efron. Even intern Mauricio, we thank you.

00:44:06.600 Thanks for watching everybody. We'll have to cut out most of Ben Bankus' jokes.

00:44:09.520 Thanks a lot.

00:44:10.420 Thanks a lot, everybody.

Rebel News Podcast - September 17, 2021

ANDREW CHAPADOS ｜ Election Special with Mikhaila Peterson, Ben Benkas and T.J. Laramie (UFC)

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