Rebel News Podcast - ANDREW CHAPADOS ｜ Ezra Levant

00:00:00.000 of course I am joined by the boss man Ezra Levan how are you doing today I'm great being called

00:00:10.380 the boss man I just thought of Bruce Springsteen for a second or the wrestler that's right thanks

00:00:14.780 for joining me episode number 50 thanks for letting me do this for 50 weeks wow crazy amount

00:00:19.940 of time yeah well you know what I want to salute you on the initiative you took and I really like

00:00:23.700 the guests you choose it's a little bit different than our other Rebel News products and I I'm

00:00:28.440 actually incredibly impressed with the quality like you've had some amazing guests I don't know

00:00:33.220 how you do it but you're your own producer am I right I basically just sent out the email and hope

00:00:37.640 for the best well it's worked it's worked congratulations thanks for having me on no

00:00:42.000 problem of course I think what everybody wants to know as a fan would be you're at Sun News how does

00:00:47.940 Rebel News start what spawns the idea well we certainly didn't want to start it we wanted to

00:00:52.000 work for Sun News forever it was a great company owned by Quebeco which is a major media conglomerate

00:00:57.820 so there were 200 people working at Sun News Network I would say was even a little luxurious I mean

00:01:04.040 we had a makeup team we had you know green room we had like it was it was great and then they suddenly

00:01:12.100 announced that it was being shut down because of a bad CRTC ruling so we will all went in to get our

00:01:20.100 severance checks and clean out our desks and I said to my little team you you you you you come to my house

00:01:26.180 let's see if we can replicate capture some of the audience and the messaging and the movement that

00:01:32.820 Sun News was Sun News was was activist in its day a little bit like Fox News a little bit like GB News

00:01:38.800 in the UK so eight folks sat around my table and we thought let's get out of the things that hurt Sun

00:01:46.240 let's get out of the big equipment heavy equipment million dollar studios quarter million dollar cameras

00:01:51.620 let's go simple cell phone camera let's get away from satellite linkups let's do Skype let's have

00:01:59.220 men on the street we don't have to have a whole team let's use a different technology the TriCaster

00:02:04.600 not a five-person control room and most importantly let's never again allow our destiny to be decided by

00:02:12.020 government bureaucrats at the CRTC so that's where the word rebel came from we were rebelling against

00:02:17.820 the editorial narrative of the mainstream media rebelling against the old technology rebelling

00:02:22.580 against the regulatory power it started literally in my living room the first video and here we are

00:02:29.140 almost seven seven years later we're coming up on 50 staff I'd say we're about a billion views between

00:02:36.100 YouTube Facebook Twitter all the other forums we have viewers not just in Canada but in the UK and

00:02:43.820 Australia very strong and I've had a chance to meet great citizen journalists like yourself

00:02:50.320 I think there's only a single person in our entire company with a journalism degree David Menzies

00:02:55.620 everyone else is a just has a natural curiosity and I think that works now in terms of rebel news

00:03:03.000 blowing up when I became a fan 2016 do you think the culture war would you say is the thing that really

00:03:08.840 put it into everybody's living rooms well 2016 was a magical year because it was the year before

00:03:14.260 YouTube decided to punish conservatives it was the year of Trumpism Trump himself was a rebel against

00:03:20.660 all the things I talked about the establishment the the media he used the internet to beat his primary

00:03:28.120 rivals and then to beat Hillary even though she outspent him that's why when Trump shocked everyone

00:03:34.960 especially the New York Times that he won you you saw the the demonetization and the throttling of

00:03:43.240 conservatives on the internet which I think in the end helped undo Trump but that glorious year you

00:03:49.480 not only had the most interesting man in the most interesting story in the most interesting country

00:03:54.420 the most interesting election but the medium was still free so we zoomed because we were the only

00:04:00.420 Canadians taking our point of view and Americans found us and loved us and we had colorful characters

00:04:05.020 like back in that day we had Gavin McKinnis doing humorous videos before he was anathematized and

00:04:11.380 criminalized and we really grew our team quickly we grew our business model that's one more way in which

00:04:21.260 we rebelled we don't really make a lot of money in ads these days almost none but through crowdfunding

00:04:26.560 which is a kind of ad hoc subscription really you're not subscribing to something regularly you're

00:04:32.540 saying I like that I'll give 10 bucks to that oh they want to build a new studio I'll give 50 bucks to

00:04:37.700 that so it's different than the subscription and that you're saying okay we got a project we want

00:04:41.660 to send Sheila Gunn-Reed to report from the global warming conference in Marrakesh Morocco do if you

00:04:48.120 support that help buy a plane ticket so it was a very practical tangible way of crowdfunding and here we are

00:04:54.160 we built the company based on crowdfunding and I think that keeps us honest because if you know CNN

00:05:01.260 or CBC forgets its audience it doesn't necessarily mean they're out of business in the case of the

00:05:07.540 CBC is the state broadcaster they're really just operating for one man Justin Trudeau we every day

00:05:13.300 have to listen to our viewers if we get it wrong our viewers will tell us and if we still get us get it

00:05:19.120 wrong our viewers will not support us and we will be out of business very quickly so it forces us to

00:05:23.740 keep a certain sense of humility to listen to our people not just talk at them and the fact that we

00:05:30.040 have thousands of individual donors our average donors think about fifty three dollars so that

00:05:35.820 means that there's no one person who can call us up and pull the plug when I worked at Sun News

00:05:40.300 we were owned by Quebec or which is owned by a man called Pierre-Carl Pelletot who I really admire

00:05:46.500 by the way and who I like very much but at the end of the day he was the master of the entire enterprise

00:05:54.760 and you had to be careful you couldn't talk about certain subjects that were sensitive to him fair enough

00:05:59.780 here at Rebel News we have no master we have thousands and thousands of stakeholders and any one of them if

00:06:10.200 they get mad at us for something okay we'll pay attention then we'll read their email but there's no one

00:06:15.160 donor who's large enough that it would cause us to shift course I would much rather have a thousand

00:06:21.920 people giving fifty bucks than one guy giving fifty thousand bucks I know it sounds counterintuitive

00:06:29.120 because that one check would oh that's easy I don't have to work anymore no the effort you make

00:06:34.560 to attract and retain a thousand supporters is such a is such a salutary act the things you have to do

00:06:43.860 the way you have to respect views and that's you know you're not just a tv star you work in our we

00:06:48.580 call it community management you talk to rebel viewers that is the source of our strength if we

00:06:53.280 keep our feet on the ground and so many companies have done this now with patreon and with subscribe star

00:07:00.860 and locals so many people have gone big you're a big fan of tim dylan he's huge just from people

00:07:05.880 wanting to pay to hear him talk and I think that's the proof and one of the things that the legacy media

00:07:11.580 I sometimes call the media party because they have they have a central message they have a discipline

00:07:16.920 they stick together it's like a political party except for you can't vote them out I think you see that

00:07:22.440 kind of click and I saw recently tim dylan was in a bit of a scrap because he's doing so well

00:07:27.500 and patreon and other people are looking down their nose at him no I think that's a bit of jealousy

00:07:31.840 it's either disbelief or jealousy I remember when we launched rebel news and we did our very first

00:07:37.480 crowd fund and I'll tell you we raised 85 000 in one day that's shocking and I think we got it we can

00:07:44.360 do it because because I for the first couple of payrolls I just put everything on my like I used my

00:07:49.600 severance from some news to hire these folks I didn't know if it was going to work so we did

00:07:54.280 we just started doing journalism we did about 50 videos and then I sent an email to everyone

00:08:00.200 saying all right guys if you like this I do need your help please help and then we just sent the

00:08:06.360 email we waited 85 grand came in and I knew we would live because that was people's way of saying

00:08:12.380 we value this and I remember when we told that I think it was the mclean's magazine or someone else

00:08:16.400 they literally refused to believe it they said no you're getting some grant from some oil company

00:08:22.700 that wants to see you why did they say that because they do not want to believe that we have that

00:08:32.080 kind of purchase with viewers because they know they do not and I saw a headline just the other day

00:08:38.000 that salt wire which is a bunch of newspapers in Atlantic Canada took a massive multi-million dollar

00:08:44.940 grant from Trudeau for the media bailout and they proceeded to lay off over 100 staff and

00:08:51.540 see they keep if you are if you work for the mainstream over 1500 media companies in Canada

00:08:57.380 have taken that Trudeau bailout I didn't even know there were 1500 media companies

00:09:00.800 so they're all failing and they think how can we survive on our own Justin Trudeau please give us

00:09:08.620 more money 1500 of them some of them get millions of the post media gets 140 grand a week from Trudeau

00:09:14.940 so that's a sign of their own lack of confidence that's a sign that they've given up any editorial

00:09:20.120 independence if you're working for the man that's a sign of decline all right we're going to take

00:09:24.600 welfare manage to climb we don't take a dime from government my god you've got to be confident to do

00:09:30.580 that no advertising no government money that's impossible it's impossible and and when we had that

00:09:36.740 first success 85 grand in one day I was blown away but no one of our critics would believe it because

00:09:43.760 they know in their bones that if they and boring old Maclean's or boring old I don't know Toronto Star

00:09:51.120 actually put out a tip jar instead of their viewers if you really love us support us no one would

00:09:57.040 would you pay money to see TV do they really serve you like that well that's why their Toronto Star had

00:10:04.240 to be bought out like their tip would be the two dollar Saturday star or whatever their their big

00:10:10.160 thick one is but that doesn't happen yeah you know it's there's a phrase I heard once

00:10:16.160 grandtrepreneurs you can be an entrepreneur out there hustling working trying things or you can

00:10:21.740 be a grandtrepreneur gaming the system trying to figure out just the right words to convince the

00:10:27.280 right bureaucrat to give you money you might actually get a lot of money as a grandtrepreneur I mean

00:10:32.400 post media gets millions but what if you took that energy and that in you know smarts and that

00:10:38.040 initiative and actually deployed it to figuring out how to work in this internet age I actually think

00:10:44.260 being a grandtrepreneur is a trap because you're directing your attention your brilliance you're in

00:10:50.240 your brainstorming your hopes to being basically a teat sucker that's not a swear

00:11:00.140 you said to me before that you have seen the rebel news cast let's call it like Saturday night live

00:11:07.360 Saturday night live terrible now by the way of course but because of the the new and interesting

00:11:12.580 characters who's somebody that's left that you're like I really like I'm proud of that person I'm proud

00:11:17.620 of the time we spent together impressed by what they've done ever since well there's a lot of

00:11:21.400 examples like that and listen not all our alumni glow under glorious things some of them flame out

00:11:25.980 you know you might be surprised but the editor-in-chief of quillette the australian

00:11:32.160 magazine claire layman she was a rebel news contributor I thought she did great and because 0.92

00:11:40.100 I'm always scanning often twitter and social media who and I look for someone who is a good communicator

00:11:46.600 speaks from the heart authentically and is a citizen journalist trying to fight the world trying to

00:11:52.280 the rest of the world I very very rarely look at someone who's already in media first of all they've

00:11:57.860 made it I probably can't outbid them they are probably careful if you've got a job with CTV or

00:12:05.560 you know ABC you're probably careful and you would never go to rebel because that would

00:12:10.980 you know look bad but what if you're a citizen journalist and so claire layman would be an example

00:12:16.660 of that I mean Gavin McInnes went on to big things and then he just sort of had a lot of political

00:12:21.360 problems but there's someone who we really took from semi-obscurity and I mean he listened he was

00:12:28.020 with vice and he had some success but he made hundreds of videos with us some of which had two

00:12:34.160 three million views very successful um you know sometimes people need our structure um to help them

00:12:43.660 succeed um I'm just trying to think of other examples I think we've got a great cast of talent

00:12:50.300 right now I look around our company we have people in four countries and right now just in

00:12:56.240 terms of outstanding journalism Avi Yamini in Melbourne Australia he's world class we've got

00:13:03.320 great Canadians too but by coincidence we have a journalist in the most locked down city in the

00:13:09.340 world it just is a coincidence and he's doing amazing world-class coverage I'm very proud you know

00:13:14.100 the Saturday Night Live analogy is find young talent teach them a few ways of doing things and

00:13:20.600 either they stay on or they or they move on I mean I I like to keep in touch with some of our alumni

00:13:26.040 Kian Bexty of Calgary is an example he's got the counter signal he started with us um it was one of our

00:13:32.680 critics that said we're like the Saturday Night Live of conservative media was Jonathan Goldsby of

00:13:37.240 Canada land he hates us but he acknowledges we're talent scouts I think I spend an hour a day talent

00:13:43.440 scouting because you always need to add more talent and someone moves on for a reason and you're and

00:13:49.840 there's always someone who is an interesting point of view um Drea Humphrey she was not a professional

00:13:56.300 journalist I just saw her doing some basically homemade videos and I thought whoa she's a good 0.99

00:14:01.200 thinker a good talker Tamera Ugolini she was a client of our Fight the Fines project and I thought oh my

00:14:06.400 god who is that so smart so well-informed articulate battler who's she so we find people in the 1.00

00:14:13.940 strangest places and we put this motley crew together and you know in its own funny way it's

00:14:21.260 worked it's worked bloody well have you many played by Rob Schneider by the way I believe in terms of

00:14:27.160 I want to talk about Fight the Fines um obviously it kind of caused a gear shift in the media once all

00:14:33.520 the lockdowns happen and everybody was saying who's going to stand up for our rights how important

00:14:38.060 has Fight the Fines been to you personally it's the greatest thing I've ever done in public life let

00:14:42.840 me explain it for the viewers who might not know in April of 2020 so very early in the pandemic not

00:14:49.340 even a month in I saw a video of a pastor in Calgary who was feeding the homeless literally it was still

00:14:54.380 snowing in Calgary he was feeding the homeless and a bunch of police came up to this guy literally

00:15:00.140 giving hot food to homeless people the cops came up to this pastor started pushing him around and

00:15:06.340 gave him a ticket for what they called an illegal gathering and he said I'm not this isn't a brave

00:15:12.740 this isn't you know I'm feeding these hungry people because the city isn't they gave him a ticket I think

00:15:19.360 it was like a thousand dollar ticket and I saw that and I saw how they physically pushed this pastor

00:15:24.340 that made just some button in me got pushed and I I had heard that I I'd met that pastor before I knew

00:15:30.280 him a little bit Arthur Pawlowski is his name and I called him up and I know what he's good at he's

00:15:35.860 good at being stubborn and he's good at being a pastor he's good at feeding the homeless but he

00:15:39.700 probably was not good at finding a lawyer and paying for a lawyer you know everyone has their

00:15:45.260 strengths so I said Pastor Arthur we will get you a lawyer to fight these tickets all we need you to do

00:15:53.220 is occasionally talk to us on tv so we can tell the story that's how we're going to crowdfund this

00:15:57.900 and fight the fines was born and here we are a year and a half later more than 2 000 people we have

00:16:05.720 helped people businesses churches hundreds of ordinary people and we've spread this to other

00:16:13.320 countries there's a homeless man in Australia who's sleeping in his car he had nowhere else to sleep

00:16:17.720 cops came knock knock knock you're out past curfew gave him a 1500 fine his life savings are

00:16:22.540 three thousand dollars he's saving up money to get an apartment the cops take half his money and

00:16:26.480 they didn't give him a place to sleep what are you doing that's not public health that's not public

00:16:30.620 service there's no way he could afford a lawyer by the way depending on some of these cases we we've

00:16:36.240 spent in some cases a hundred thousand dollars defending people like Pastor Arthur they keep coming for

00:16:41.500 him but our people love it so much you know the rebel rebel's motto is telling the other side of the

00:16:48.480 story but you ever see that citizen journalist moment where someone is filming something so

00:16:54.200 atrocious and you're really glad they're filming it because otherwise you wouldn't have seen it

00:16:58.420 but in the back of your mind you're thinking why didn't they do anything about it okay you're filming

00:17:02.580 it but that's passive shouldn't you in the moment fix the problem that's a tough thing to say because

00:17:10.160 you don't know what it's really like there and you're grateful you saw the video so we tell the other

00:17:14.940 side of the story every day but when i saw what they did to Pastor Arthur i couldn't just be the

00:17:19.520 guy telling the story and so we added this whole other side to what we do and later the democracy

00:17:26.780 fund a registered charity was approved by the counter revenue agency so now we can actually give

00:17:32.200 charitable tax receipts for people who donate to those civil liberties so we got rebel news which is

00:17:37.420 still telling the other side of the story but we've got the democracy fund which fights for civil

00:17:42.760 liberties every day it's double the work because there's double the problems out there but that's

00:17:48.740 how fight the fines grew into these larger projects now our story was shared worldwide he's got the

00:17:54.160 famous video i know uh people down at prager you shared it blaze tv there's still the continuum of

00:17:59.900 people that say well how come they didn't follow the rules how come these uh churches can't congregate

00:18:04.020 online or outside socially distance which they did and got fined for still by the way in ontario

00:18:09.180 what do you say to the people who just you know say just follow every rule as it's handed down by the

00:18:14.720 government well uh in the case of other badlovsky it's you're you're not even going to believe what

00:18:21.400 he was actually sentenced for what he was actually arrested he spent three days in prison for and it was

00:18:27.900 because for one hour and 10 minutes he didn't close his church one hour and 10 minutes and the order to

00:18:35.800 close his church was given to him in like a plastic bag he didn't even open it and read it he the cops

00:18:43.300 knew who his lawyer was like i say we had given him a lawyer a year earlier so he didn't read the order

00:18:48.280 he had no chance to get legal advice so the whole thing was a stitch up as they say and they they have

00:18:55.920 hated that guy since the beginning so he actually what he actually went to jail for was the dumbest thing

00:19:02.060 you've ever heard but it's exposed i think a deep flaw in um in pandemic law and policy and

00:19:12.100 enforcement first of all okay i mean there's a bunch of ways to answer your question one is

00:19:16.140 none of these these things were actually debated in parliament many of them weren't even issued by a

00:19:22.400 cabinet minister through some sort of committee you know a cabinet order there's lawyers that review it

00:19:28.080 it's it's just public health officers and there's got to be 200 of them it's like it's like uh hornets

00:19:33.400 buzzing around this country everywhere you look there's another public health officer every city

00:19:37.020 has one every region has one every province has one there's like oh my god there's how many thousands

00:19:43.500 of you are there and they just utter something and it's different from what they said a week ago

00:19:49.040 it'll be different in another week and if they say it is that law or do they have to put up a written

00:19:53.740 press release or does it have to be an order like this it's so they don't know what they're doing

00:19:58.340 the police often have a different set of rules every week or every month and how do they enforce it and

00:20:05.240 and what about exemptions like for masks it's it's such bad law making bad law enforcement it was

00:20:14.620 terrible when the police got involved to begin since when do police police enforce health and health

00:20:19.600 orders never you're sending a SWAT team to take I mean let me let me refer you to the worst moment

00:20:26.240 that Arthur Pawlowski he had left his church they could have picked him up at church they know where

00:20:31.620 his house is they could have picked him up at his house but he was in the car on a road and they had

00:20:36.700 this whole SWAT team sort of swarm his vehicle on the road like he was some narco terrorist pull him out

00:20:43.160 of the car put him on his knees on the highway cars speeding by why did you put him onto the road

00:20:48.980 why didn't you put him off the road you put him on the road while cars are speeding by hands above

00:20:55.320 and said why are you arresting him at all you know you know his lawyer we've been paying his lawyer to

00:20:59.920 talk to you cops for a year now you wanted the shock and awe moment you wanted to humiliate him

00:21:06.280 you wanted it to justify your SWAT team budget what the actual hell and we've seen the slow

00:21:13.400 authoritarian emergence I think a lot of the good cops have either been reassigned or retired and I

00:21:20.900 think the worst cops are having the time of their lives and everyone's become a bit of a mini cop

00:21:25.600 a snitch an auxiliary a brown shirt a mask enforcer in Alberta unvaccinated people are not allowed to meet 0.51

00:21:35.460 each other in private not even the Stasi would say that and it's all a disgrace so my it's a very

00:21:41.780 long way of saying we have immoral unconstitutional laws but we have judges who accept them I think

00:21:47.680 and we're in the worst of times every part of the society has failed every institution we would count

00:21:52.620 on every government in Canada is for the lockdown but so is every opposition party every mainstream media

00:21:58.820 is in favor for it every lawyer the civil liberties groups are silent every law professor every

00:22:04.800 institution in society is in support of this lockdown it's madness and it's terrifying can we

00:22:09.940 not have some diversity of opinion for god's sakes and I want to ask you about some I was going to ask

00:22:14.880 you about the media but I think I know your your answer for a lot of that some of these anti-lockdown

00:22:20.100 groups that we've seen over the last two years now I think almost um some have been good some have

00:22:25.320 been bad colorful leaders across all of them you have maybe famously pointed to some that you shouldn't

00:22:31.400 trust in the early going how do you think they've affected any of this at all I mean there there's

00:22:35.940 famous ones we've got the the Patrick King guy we've got a norm people that were such getting such a fanfare

00:22:42.840 but they didn't really do anything what's your opinion on all this I think nature abhors a vacuum

00:22:47.820 uh there is a such a demand for people to speak up because all these other institutions I just listed have

00:22:55.480 failed so people step into the void some of them with good intentions they just maybe don't have

00:23:02.940 all the tools for example we see a lot of homemade lawyering like people coming up with legal ideas

00:23:09.220 that sound good but they're not real people googling things on the internet and say oh I just have to

00:23:14.600 say I do not consent and they can't seize my business I'm sorry mate that's not real law

00:23:19.860 so there's some people who are so desperate they'll cling to like like if you had an uncurable

00:23:26.400 cancer god forbid and every doctor said there's nothing we can do you would out of desperation go

00:23:32.520 to alternative medicine if that didn't work you would go to quacks or or people selling you some 0.96

00:23:37.880 snake oil you're so desperate and people in our situation in our country for two years they're so

00:23:43.120 desperate they don't understand it where is everybody where's the opposition where's the media

00:23:46.540 where's the law where's the where's anything where's the college of physicians and surgeons

00:23:50.040 where's everybody anybody oh my god and so they'll turn to anyone and I see some of that

00:23:55.420 you know Lamont Daigle who created the the line I think he's a fed I think he's a fed I mean the feds

00:24:01.780 are trying to criminalize anti-lockdownism they say as much I think Patrick King is an example of a

00:24:08.640 guy who did a little homemade law and loved loved the media attention Chris Skye is a very interesting

00:24:15.480 character and I think quite often he's right but once in a while it goes too far and we've interviewed

00:24:21.980 him a lot the reason these people have had success is because others who should be filling those spaces

00:24:32.120 are not and I'm not going to trash these guys I think there's problems with all three of them

00:24:37.600 but at least they have the courage to be contrarian it's like that picture of that German rally in the

00:24:45.140 late 30s where every single guy is doing the Sieg Heil except for one guy who's got his arms crossed

00:24:50.860 and we all like to think we would be that one guy but look around we know who's we everyone who thought

00:24:57.260 they would have been speaking out against Hitler in the 30s we see you we see you now and we know you

00:25:03.320 would have been silent and passive and that's what's terrifying to me is you know that phrase never

00:25:08.480 again and I went to Jewish school and I learned about the Holocaust and all I could think about

00:25:11.760 how did they not see it coming why did they not well because that's easy to say when we know the

00:25:15.780 end of the story we don't know the end of the story but I know one thing no there's been no

00:25:20.380 countervailing force why wouldn't this go on forever why wouldn't police go even further I see in

00:25:25.540 Austria police are literally demanding papers for people to be out in public in Austria that's so on

00:25:31.460 the nose if you had a Hollywood movie it's a no that's too much that's just too no I mean all they

00:25:37.900 got to do is check the attic for Jews now and they got the full you know we got a full circle 1.00

00:25:41.500 fight the fines we won't ask we will open all these have brought people out of the woodworks that maybe

00:25:47.880 wouldn't have been involved in politics or a fan of rebel dudes I'm thinking of athletes musicians

00:25:52.500 actors anybody surprising reach out to you that you want to share anybody who you're like wow I can't

00:25:57.340 believe this person agrees with me now you know I'm talking to a Hollywood actor I didn't know him

00:26:03.680 but my kids know him he's in an international franchise uh I googled him he's bloody famous

00:26:10.220 he's been in films that have had enormous viewership I don't want to say his name because he hasn't made

00:26:14.880 the decision yet to go rogue I'd say he's even bigger than Gina Carano who was in the Star Wars movie

00:26:20.940 um and I was shocked that he called me he's a Brit I'm not going to say any more about him how did you

00:26:26.960 why are you calling me well because he had seen our videos and I'll let him you know and in fact

00:26:33.320 I said to him you got to be careful because you go say the wrong word here and you're going to be

00:26:37.540 blackballed like like Gina Carano was but it's not just that I I see people like Naomi Wolf

00:26:44.660 Robert F Kennedy Jr these are liberals I see a lot of liberals and a lot of conservatives finding

00:26:52.880 common ground in fact those is it liberal or conservative to say I don't want the state

00:26:58.380 to work with a big corporation to give it immunity from from negligence lawsuits to forcibly inject

00:27:06.160 people on pain of them being fired and union bosses are throwing in with the corporate executives

00:27:11.360 like we're helping an Air Canada flight attendant fight her union because the union won't fight Air

00:27:17.220 Canada so does that make me a left winger or a right winger I'm helping this working woman she's a 1.00

00:27:22.300 working class woman flight attendant on her feet all the time you know her union she's got natural 1.00

00:27:29.280 immunity because she recovered from the COVID they're saying take the jab or be fired and the 0.97

00:27:33.260 union wouldn't help her so we took her union to the labor board and now they're going to grieve it for 0.65

00:27:37.300 okay am I right wing now I don't know I'm working with an NDP-ish lawyer I'm working with a left-wing

00:27:42.560 lawyer to help her I don't care left wing right wing where's the ACLU where's all the people who said

00:27:47.440 my body my choice where's that whole pro-choice movement where's the whole privacy where's the whole

00:27:51.760 it's between me and my doctor none of your damn business where's the folks on the left who used 0.83

00:27:55.620 to be skeptical of big pharma that used to be the big you know boogeyman for the left big pharma I

00:28:01.880 never really understood it but everyone railed about big pharma what you know you're bloody cheerleaders

00:28:08.040 for them now and my body my choice where did those people go you're going to get an injection and then

00:28:16.700 another injection oh and then there's another injection I'm going to call it a booster oh and then

00:28:21.200 another injection and if you don't oh your choice but we'll fight that's not a choice it's you know

00:28:26.720 that classic muggers line your money or your life okay well that's phrased as a choice too okay here's

00:28:33.460 my money see he made the choice people he wasn't forced I gave him the choice and he chose him

00:28:38.280 that's not a choice that's under duress and you know Godwin's law says whoever first invokes Hitler

00:28:45.060 loses the argument but that's a joke but what what happens when you see those authoritarian instincts

00:28:49.920 reviving the Nuremberg code of informed consent for medical procedures emanated directly from the

00:28:56.160 Nazi doctors Joseph Mengele and others who committed atrocities on people without their permission

00:29:01.380 knowledge consent literally torture but out of that the doctors went on trial Dr. Brandt the other

00:29:06.780 doctors they went on trial for what they did as doctors and from that verdict came the 10-point

00:29:13.820 Nuremberg code so named because these war criminals they were doctors and and it elucidated

00:29:20.040 the doctrine of medical consent free informed consent you have to let them know what the risks

00:29:25.440 are they have to be able to stop at any time there's 10 it's like the 10 commandments of medical

00:29:30.260 consent we are violating those and so yes it is appropriate to say that the Nazis would do that 0.76

00:29:36.140 you're damn right that's why we have those rules and you're breaking those rules it's been

00:29:39.820 80 years less than 80 years and you're breaking those rules again and in Austria they're searching

00:29:45.140 in addicts you talk about the left-right dichotomy I want to talk to you about the conservative party

00:29:49.520 of Canada I think a lot of people Canada US UK Australia are all discovering that they don't

00:29:56.660 really have an opposition party they probably don't have a conservative party here in Canada we are what

00:30:02.740 seven provinces conservative leadership didn't turn out to be really that way what's your what's your

00:30:08.320 thought process on how the conservative party should move forward new leadership you know nuke it from

00:30:13.180 the ground up completely abandoned it for a different party what's your take on that well federally

00:30:17.620 I think Aaron O'Toole is untrustworthy and unredeemable he said everything that you would want him to say

00:30:26.260 when he was running he was against cancel culture he was against the carbon tax to bring in a different

00:30:30.580 issue he was gonna privatize the CBC which is another issue like there's a whole suite of things he said

00:30:37.160 tough on China at first too yeah and he you know was nice to Leslie Lewis and social conservatives and

00:30:46.080 then as soon as he got the vote he threw all that stuff out now he's pro carbon tax and not just that

00:30:51.500 if you disagree with him you're out of the party he fired Derek Sloan he demoted Leslie Lewis she's not

00:30:58.240 even in shadow cabinet um but put aside that the fact that he's paranoid about rivals he's just not

00:31:05.920 conservative what are the key issues of the day right now the the mandatory vaccines he has not

00:31:11.300 opposed them he has not opposed the lockdownism on other issues he's for the carbon tax he's for open

00:31:17.880 borders migration um his last critic on on the internet was for censorship in fact was complaining

00:31:23.580 that Trudeau wasn't going fast enough and hard enough I cannot honestly tell you a single thing

00:31:28.820 about Aaron O'Toole that makes him more conservative than Justin Trudeau I can't I can't name one I and I

00:31:34.800 would tell you if I could the fact that 30 years ago Aaron O'Toole was a was in the military I find

00:31:40.500 admirable but that's got nothing to do with his policy positions as a politician today at least Justin

00:31:45.540 Trudeau is honest when he says he hates conservative things he hates the West he hates oil he hates this at

00:31:50.680 least at least Trudeau's not lying to you so I look to the states and I know it's possible I remember

00:31:55.660 when Ron DeSantis first decided to reject lockdownism to reject the fear-mongering to reject anything the

00:32:04.760 public health officer says is true approach and for about two full weeks he was battered and bashed like

00:32:11.340 nothing I've ever seen but he held the line and you know who started families and parents started

00:32:17.580 supporting him he he's not against the vaccine he's taking the vaccine himself and he he promotes it

00:32:22.620 he made it very widely available he just repeatedly says it's every everyone's choice it's your choice

00:32:28.260 it's your personal choice your family choice that's the language that left isn't it and he held the line

00:32:34.280 and now Florida has one of the lowest rates of the virus in America even though it has one of the

00:32:38.860 oldest populations and it's free and it's economically free and so he I think was a role model that if you

00:32:47.780 just show some leadership why is it so hard for Doug Ford and Jason Kenney to fight against lockdownism

00:32:54.280 well it's because they've never tried because no one else is leading if they were to lead they would

00:33:01.040 have a tough time at first but if they just held the line I think they could break through there's no

00:33:05.900 reason that Alberta couldn't be the Florida of Canada in terms of the free province the one that's

00:33:11.660 not in that's taking back power from that's replacing medical officers with sane ones like Florida has its

00:33:18.180 surgeon general he's just not a crazy lockdownist UN talking points reader alas we don't have a single

00:33:26.060 government or opposition party like Ron DeSantis 50 states in America 50 points of view 10 provinces in

00:33:35.280 Canada one point of view that's a disgrace so why this pandering it always seems the last two months

00:33:41.660 before an election they try to reach out for the liberal votes that in my opinion are never going

00:33:45.860 to vote for them no matter what they think you're evil bad white supremacists you name it do they reach

00:33:51.200 out for them for that last desperate vote count or are they just never the actual conservatives they

00:33:56.260 paint themselves to be you know I have a theory and it's I mentioned that Nazi photo of the one guy not

00:34:03.960 seek highly what I've learned is seven years of the boss of rebel news is that you can teach someone

00:34:10.880 how to hold a camera that's pretty easy I think you can teach people how to ask questions I mean you

00:34:16.020 need a natural curiosity but we all know how to ask questions the one essential characteristic that is

00:34:22.900 indispensable to be a rebel news journalist is are you willing to incur the disapproval of your peers

00:34:31.020 and by peers I mean other journalists other people in the political media class

00:34:34.940 that is the hardest thing in the world to break peer pressure if you're in a scrum and everyone's

00:34:42.860 asking lovey-dovey questions of a politician

00:34:45.440 and you ask a bloody tough one not unfair not mean

00:34:50.900 but a tough one

00:34:53.300 you'll see the politician smile turn it immediately turn to a frown you'll hear the other journalists go

00:35:01.880 why are you ruining our narrative why are you asking that question you right-wing are you

00:35:07.180 so you'll immediately and forever be marginalized that is extremely painful socially psychically

00:35:15.880 but that is how you do journalism and I think

00:35:21.320 that that same peer pressure that applies to journalists

00:35:26.580 it applies to politicians if you care about what the media says about you

00:35:31.700 about what the political media industrial complex says about you

00:35:36.600 you will never be anything other than a cookie cutter like we see now

00:35:42.620 it is a rare politician who is able to fight the bad guys

00:35:49.060 without caring what they say about him

00:35:52.640 Ron DeSantis is successful that reason same with Governor Abbott of Texas

00:35:56.800 we don't have any of that in Canada either in the media or in the political class

00:36:02.360 Rex Murphy and Conrad Black and I think I've just named every conservative journalist in this country

00:36:07.460 Anthony Fury is good

00:36:08.400 there's a few good guys at the Sun Joe Warmington

00:36:10.540 everyone else is part of the mob

00:36:13.200 and you know what there's just last point

00:36:15.960 to me it was a revelation where in the 2019 election

00:36:20.660 it fell to an American magazine I think it was Time magazine

00:36:24.560 to publish the photos of Justin Trudeau in blackface

00:36:27.680 an American magazine

00:36:29.340 and the guy who gave it to the Americans did so because no Canadians would run with it

00:36:33.300 but what was equally interesting

00:36:35.800 was that within hours of Time magazine publishing it

00:36:39.760 all the Canadian media published those

00:36:44.220 and their own that they had been sitting on

00:36:46.980 Global News I think was one that had the video

00:36:49.780 yeah and then there was another one and then another one

00:36:52.280 and so

00:36:53.020 it's not that they were beaten to the punch by Time

00:36:56.900 they had these in their pocket for months years

00:36:59.880 and they self-censored because they agree with Trudeau

00:37:03.860 they didn't want to have that moment of breaking peer pressure

00:37:06.800 they didn't want to be in his bad books

00:37:08.780 they didn't want to affect themselves in a regulatory hearing

00:37:11.060 or a grant hearing

00:37:12.300 I often learn more about Justin Trudeau

00:37:16.340 by reading the Daily Mail in London

00:37:18.340 than by reading the Globe and Mail in Toronto

00:37:21.460 and there's something wrong

00:37:22.900 when you have in your possession blackface pictures of Trudeau

00:37:26.320 and you say nah

00:37:27.860 that's not newsworthy

00:37:30.400 we'll bury them

00:37:32.400 we'll cover up

00:37:33.900 oh someone in America broke

00:37:36.680 beat us to an all right fine

00:37:38.100 put it out there

00:37:38.900 that was the moment

00:37:41.000 that I think showed the true nature of Canadian media

00:37:43.860 and

00:37:44.740 that's the peer pressure that no one wants to buck

00:37:48.940 what do you see as the move going forward

00:37:51.860 are we looking ahead

00:37:54.020 from when all the tyranny we'll call it

00:37:56.700 is over

00:37:57.360 are we going to have Rebel News movies

00:37:59.740 are we going to have a turning point USA Canada

00:38:02.380 what's the

00:38:03.320 Ezra's

00:38:04.200 I don't know

00:38:05.060 five year plan

00:38:05.880 a hundred year plan

00:38:06.800 what's the next power move Ezra

00:38:08.600 well

00:38:09.360 I really like Rebel News

00:38:11.240 and

00:38:11.460 I think we're covering a lot of bases

00:38:13.520 it would be hard to make it grow bigger

00:38:15.860 without sort of adding some more

00:38:17.340 managers and layers

00:38:18.480 because we have so many journalists

00:38:19.900 just our

00:38:20.740 our story meetings

00:38:21.980 go on for a long time

00:38:23.320 and I'm

00:38:23.640 and to grow to a bigger size

00:38:25.400 we probably need some outside investors

00:38:27.140 I mean

00:38:28.000 I said we started Rebel News

00:38:30.080 literally around my table

00:38:31.300 I

00:38:32.140 I got a severance from Sun News

00:38:33.600 and I used that just to pay people

00:38:34.900 until the crowdfunding came in

00:38:36.380 over the years

00:38:37.460 we've taken a few small loans from friends

00:38:39.140 but we've really never

00:38:40.220 been a company in the sense that

00:38:42.440 we took out a bank loan

00:38:43.520 or we

00:38:43.880 we sold shares

00:38:44.760 we had a

00:38:47.180 we had a

00:38:47.640 we had a bank loan

00:38:48.600 that we paid off

00:38:49.420 we had a few loans

00:38:50.400 a few hundred thousand dollars

00:38:51.620 here and there

00:38:52.040 but for a company with

00:38:53.380 you know

00:38:53.900 almost 50 employees

00:38:54.860 that we never really

00:38:56.320 had any external dough

00:38:58.500 we sort of ate what we

00:39:00.800 killed

00:39:01.480 as they say

00:39:02.220 but if we're going to

00:39:04.040 kick it up to a new level

00:39:05.200 maybe we need to do

00:39:06.680 what a lot of companies do

00:39:07.700 once they're past

00:39:08.460 their startup stage

00:39:09.320 maybe they need to go public

00:39:10.900 in some way

00:39:11.620 and what I mean by that

00:39:12.800 is allow outside people

00:39:14.460 to say

00:39:14.760 all right

00:39:14.980 well we'll let you manage things

00:39:16.240 come up with a business plan

00:39:17.680 and we'll invest

00:39:18.880 we'll take a sliver of the company

00:39:20.560 and in return

00:39:21.900 we'll give you some dough

00:39:22.780 to grow faster

00:39:24.700 than you can organically

00:39:26.020 like

00:39:26.700 Rebellus will keep plugging away 0.85

00:39:28.160 incrementally

00:39:28.920 but if someone's

00:39:29.640 if we raised

00:39:30.720 I don't know

00:39:31.060 a million bucks

00:39:31.720 two million bucks

00:39:32.960 we could

00:39:34.040 grow things faster

00:39:35.600 and we can bring in teammates

00:39:36.880 that we maybe couldn't afford

00:39:37.920 on our own

00:39:38.400 so I think

00:39:39.800 I mean we

00:39:41.660 I have nothing to announce

00:39:42.540 at this stage

00:39:43.140 but ideally the next step

00:39:44.600 for Rebel News

00:39:45.160 is to become a little bit more

00:39:46.700 businesslike

00:39:48.400 to keep our editorial flavor unique

00:39:50.820 we must never touch that

00:39:52.420 that is the secret

00:39:53.200 to our success

00:39:54.040 if we ever changed

00:39:55.760 our editorial approach

00:39:57.040 telling the other side of the story

00:39:58.520 we would be out of business

00:39:59.620 in two weeks

00:40:00.260 because our viewers would say

00:40:01.120 oh we don't need you

00:40:01.740 we already got the CBC

00:40:02.620 but if we can keep

00:40:04.780 our editorial flavor

00:40:06.320 and crowdfund

00:40:08.400 or raise funds

00:40:10.060 like a real business does

00:40:11.280 to grow this thing

00:40:13.180 maybe we could be a rival

00:40:15.440 to the dying media

00:40:16.760 let post media

00:40:18.660 and let the star

00:40:19.520 mooch 1.00

00:40:20.240 for a living off Trudeau

00:40:21.880 if we have the same number

00:40:23.820 of viewers

00:40:24.400 through

00:40:25.580 the support of our

00:40:27.360 audience

00:40:28.640 isn't that better

00:40:29.540 and if we can raise funds

00:40:31.120 with no political strings attached

00:40:32.800 so that may be

00:40:34.060 the next chapter

00:40:34.820 I don't have anything

00:40:35.480 to announce yet

00:40:36.080 but it's been

00:40:36.540 something I've been thinking about

00:40:37.920 Rebel News movie everybody

00:40:39.900 Rob Schneider

00:40:41.180 Tom Cruise's me

00:40:42.500 okay last question

00:40:43.940 Ezra

00:40:44.160 that was supposed to be fun

00:40:44.900 last question

00:40:46.160 for the audience

00:40:46.980 who's running the show

00:40:48.740 International Monetary Fund

00:40:51.100 Klaus Schwab

00:40:52.040 just Justin Trudeau

00:40:53.400 and his friends

00:40:54.060 who's in your opinion

00:40:55.360 one minute or less

00:40:56.300 is running the show

00:40:56.980 these days

00:40:57.440 well definitely not Trudeau

00:40:58.540 he's an order taker

00:40:59.720 not an order maker

00:41:00.740 I think the World Economic Forum

00:41:02.900 is a terrible place

00:41:03.820 I don't know if you know this

00:41:04.660 but Christia Freeland

00:41:06.160 is a director

00:41:07.000 of the World Economic Forum

00:41:08.480 how is that even allowed

00:41:09.420 you're a director

00:41:10.060 of a extremist lobby group

00:41:13.000 while you're in cabinet

00:41:14.420 isn't that a conflict

00:41:15.380 I don't know if you know this

00:41:17.200 but Freeland

00:41:17.760 was George Soros's

00:41:19.440 official biographer

00:41:20.620 when they first met

00:41:22.260 Trudeau

00:41:22.880 Soros 0.94

00:41:23.720 and Freeland

00:41:25.340 they were at Davos

00:41:26.340 of the World Economic Forum

00:41:27.380 I'm not a conspiracy theorist

00:41:29.240 I don't believe in it

00:41:30.020 I don't think you should be

00:41:31.220 I think the worst stories

00:41:33.140 are out there in the open

00:41:34.140 that are being ignored

00:41:34.980 I tell

00:41:35.840 whenever our people

00:41:36.840 get a little too caught up

00:41:37.920 in some dramatic theory

00:41:39.800 I say

00:41:40.100 whoa whoa whoa

00:41:40.800 pump the brakes

00:41:41.560 the crazy stuff

00:41:43.300 is out in the open

00:41:44.140 don't make something up

00:41:45.940 Davos is real

00:41:47.780 World Economic Forum

00:41:48.580 is real

00:41:49.060 the people who meet

00:41:49.980 in that room

00:41:50.460 and hatch their plan

00:41:51.200 Bill Gates is real

00:41:52.060 don't make something up

00:41:53.240 quote what he says

00:41:54.240 he says it

00:41:55.200 Anthony Fauci

00:41:55.960 he says it

00:41:57.140 just report the stuff

00:41:58.620 that the other media doesn't

00:41:59.900 or tell the other side

00:42:00.920 of the story

00:42:01.420 so in

00:42:02.480 very lengthy answer

00:42:04.020 to your short question

00:42:05.060 I think the World Economic Forum

00:42:07.820 and aspects of the United Nations

00:42:11.040 which has been colonized

00:42:12.100 by China

00:42:12.560 China now controls

00:42:13.680 five different commissions

00:42:15.160 at the UN

00:42:15.720 including the World Health Commission

00:42:17.580 World Health Organization

00:42:18.800 I think China 0.97

00:42:20.340 and other globalists

00:42:21.460 who love China

00:42:22.400 I really think

00:42:23.960 that that's the dominant force

00:42:25.260 against the free West

00:42:27.360 and I'm scared about it

00:42:28.620 because I think Chinese

00:42:30.020 communism and globalism

00:42:31.160 is on the rise

00:42:31.820 and this pandemic

00:42:32.860 was turned into

00:42:34.120 an opportunity for them

00:42:35.100 I agree

00:42:36.340 and I'll keep it at that

00:42:38.280 all the power

00:42:39.440 that they always wanted

00:42:40.320 all the money

00:42:41.020 they always wanted

00:42:41.760 and then you know

00:42:42.920 can't take it away

00:42:43.840 from it from them

00:42:44.720 or else you know

00:42:45.540 you're a bigot

00:42:46.260 racist etc etc

00:42:47.360 thanks a lot for joining me

00:42:48.780 Ezra Levanto

00:42:49.880 every night on Rebel News Plus

00:42:51.420 and then we're going to have

00:42:53.220 some things to come

00:42:53.980 investors

00:42:54.500 I see this almost

00:42:55.280 barstool sports

00:42:56.420 of the news world

00:42:57.200 Ezra

00:42:57.540 might have the investors

00:42:59.380 come in there

00:43:00.000 but nobody's ever going

00:43:00.880 to change you or I

00:43:01.800 that's what I love

00:43:03.100 about this company

00:43:03.680 nobody tells you what to do

00:43:05.100 it's as long as you're

00:43:06.100 trying to do your best

00:43:07.080 tell the truth

00:43:07.760 and tell the other side

00:43:08.480 of the story

00:43:08.940 it usually works out

00:43:10.200 alright see you guys

00:43:11.760 again next week

00:43:12.340 thanks for watching

00:43:13.000 grow things faster

00:43:14.520 and we can bring in

00:43:15.440 teammates that we maybe

00:43:16.260 couldn't afford on our own

00:43:17.360 so I think

00:43:18.760 I mean we

00:43:20.600 I have nothing to

Rebel News Podcast - November 19, 2021

ANDREW CHAPADOS ｜ Ezra Levant

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