Rebel News Podcast - January 14, 2022


ANDREW CHAPADOS ｜ GETTR vs. Free Speech with Sonny Joy Nelson and Kingsley Cortes


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Getter employees Sunny Joy Nelson and Kingsley Cortez join me to talk about censorship on social media platforms like Getter and why they think it s important to have an alternative platform for people who don t agree with your views.

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00:00:00.000 Sunny Joy Nelson and Kingsley Cortez are both former Trump campaign staffers who work for
00:00:10.420 the social media platform Getter. It's been getting a lot of publicity and high-profile
00:00:15.980 influencers jumping ship amidst censorship on Twitter. They join me now. How are you both?
00:00:21.220 I'm doing great. Thank you for having me back.
00:00:23.940 Excited to be here.
00:00:25.000 Now, Kingsley, this is an interesting way for us to both meet. You've been suspended
00:00:29.940 or what's the term they're using for kicking you off Twitter for now?
00:00:35.060 I have been locked out of Twitter. So in other words, I'm in Twitter jail for the next 12 hours.
00:00:40.200 What exactly is that for? I didn't see that they actually told you what it was for. Do you know
00:00:45.960 what it was for? Do you think you know?
00:00:49.920 Correct. They did not tell me what it was for. I received an email this morning that my account
00:00:54.620 had been locked for spreading COVID misinformation, whatever that means. Those goalposts move
00:00:59.860 a lot. So it's hard to keep track. But I suspect it was my tweet where I said that, you know,
00:01:06.780 parents shouldn't be giving children an experimental vaccine for a disease that by and large doesn't
00:01:12.700 affect them. I stand by that statement. I think the science stands by that statement. And luckily,
00:01:17.780 I can say it on alternate platforms like Getter. But for the time being, I'm in Twitter jail,
00:01:22.580 along with a lot of other folks who have said, you know, similar things about COVID and similar
00:01:27.340 things about the election.
00:01:29.460 Now, do you think Twitter sort of has a target on you guys? Obviously, they're probably their
00:01:33.840 main competitor right now. We could talk about Parler and other platforms. But in terms of
00:01:38.900 publicity and what everybody's talking right now at Getter, do you do you guys as a company feel like
00:01:44.060 Twitter's looking out for you guys? And maybe this might have had something to do with it?
00:01:48.680 I think definitely. Go ahead, Sunny.
00:01:55.820 I was just going to say, I'm sure that they are. Anyone that probably comes against what they believe
00:02:02.280 is truth, they're going to be coming after. And I'm sure that's why they have their eye on big
00:02:06.800 conservative figures like Kingsley and other people that are going to be speaking the truth or even just
00:02:12.880 their own political opinion. Twitter is going to be coming after them.
00:02:18.060 100%. And I would I would add to Sunny's point, too. I think, you know, they've seen this influx of
00:02:23.680 new users that we've had. We had Joe Rogan join the platform recently. And the day that he joined,
00:02:28.480 we had 171,000 new users follow him just in that day alone. So I think they're seeing, you know,
00:02:35.360 that there really is a hunger for an alternate platform. And they're getting scared. And they're
00:02:39.540 scared of Getter because like Rogan, like MTG, who was just banned, Getter is a disruptor.
00:02:45.480 Yeah, I wanted to ask you guys about that huge uptick in I was gonna say viewership, I guess,
00:02:50.720 readership participation. I've noticed it in just since Joe Rogan. What other names can we throw
00:02:57.760 out there that's joined? Somebody's getting emails. Marjorie Taylor Green. I say Tucker Carlson,
00:03:03.620 but he's been on there for a while, hasn't he? Has have any of these people really reached out to
00:03:08.020 you guys? Or is it sort of, do people do that? Or are they just sort of joining?
00:03:14.880 People do reach out to us. But Tucker, I think Tucker's account is new as of yesterday.
00:03:20.320 Along with him, we've had Tulsi Gabbard and some other, you know, really big names joining. Also,
00:03:27.840 Ian, I don't know how to say his last name. I always messed up Bowen, I think. He's from Yellowstone.
00:03:32.560 If y'all watch Yellowstone, I'm a big Yellowstone girl. So, you know, we're getting all ranges of
00:03:39.160 people joining, whether it be political, actors, athletes. So we've had a huge uptake in users
00:03:45.340 since Joe Rogan joined and now over 4 million users on Getter. Huge, huge increase for us.
00:03:51.820 Definitely. And we're seeing a lot of news accounts start to join too, which is something
00:03:55.760 that's new and exciting for us. We just had Daily Mail join the other day. Obviously,
00:04:00.100 we love having you guys on there. Prager, you recently joined. So we're seeing a lot of them.
00:04:05.300 It's really becoming a place where you can enjoy a nice conversation without, you know,
00:04:09.580 fear of censorship for your opinions. And you can really consume and read news and see what's
00:04:14.600 happening in the world. So that's something that we're really excited about as we see more of those
00:04:18.800 accounts join. Yeah, I think it's a big deal when somebody like Joe Rogan, who's sort of seen as
00:04:24.920 this notoriously centrist person. I mean, I don't believe that he actually is, but he's got he's
00:04:30.460 this figure of, I guess, honesty, you could say. And when he when he comes onto the platform,
00:04:35.620 it gives it that much more credibility. And Sonny, to your point, I don't watch I haven't seen
00:04:40.760 Yellowstone. I keep hearing good things about it. I mean, you know, I'm stuck on Thousand Pound
00:04:44.840 Sisters, you know, this show.
00:04:46.300 So it's one step above 600 pound life, I think.
00:04:54.440 Well, you need to check out Yellowstone. They just finished season four, and I highly recommend it.
00:05:00.280 Okay, I'll check it out on on the streaming platform that I have that doesn't have it,
00:05:04.540 I'm sure. Kingsley, how did you get it get into all this? I've asked Sonny this before,
00:05:11.520 probably too many times. But how did you get involved in in the Trump campaign and politics?
00:05:19.560 Your father's involved in some capacity, I always forget what his title was. Can you tell us
00:05:24.380 a bit more about how this became your life?
00:05:28.600 Yeah, definitely. So when I was in college at UCLA, I survived that liberal indoctrination camp,
00:05:35.040 thank God. But when I was in college at UCLA, I started writing for a publication called the National
00:05:40.500 Pulse, which is run by Raheem Kassam. So that kind of was how I, you know, dip my toe into a lot of
00:05:46.320 this world, got to know Jason through that. And then eventually worked the campaign with him in 2020
00:05:53.060 in the strategy department. He was the senior advisor for strategy on that race. And my dad was
00:05:59.640 also a senior advisor for strategy. So it was pretty cool to work in the same office as your parent,
00:06:04.500 was also in the same office as Sonny. So that's how, you know, her and I met. And, you know,
00:06:10.220 the election being stolen wasn't how we wanted the race to go. But I think in many ways, that election
00:06:17.680 really kind of opened our eyes for sure. And a lot of the American people's eyes into just how far
00:06:23.800 these institutions, you know, whether it's mainstream media, big tech, how far they're
00:06:29.360 willing to go to censor opinions that they don't agree with. And I think that's why our CEO, Jason
00:06:34.980 Miller, really saw a need for something like Getter. When we saw, you know, them censor the president,
00:06:40.180 of the United States, that was a big wake-up call for a lot of people, I think, on our side.
00:06:44.660 I'm still holding out for the MyPillow website. No. So are you from California then? I'm guessing
00:06:50.320 if you went to school there. Well, I do have to say, quick note on the MyPillow, I'm currently wearing
00:06:55.840 MySlippers. Well, it's quite interesting then. I would recommend the MySlippers. They're incredibly
00:07:02.260 comfortable and awesome. And use promo code Steve. Oh my God, I knew it. I was about to ask if there's a
00:07:07.680 promo code coming. You're not cool in conservative circles until you have a promo code for the
00:07:13.320 Pillow site. So are you from California? I am not. No, I'm originally from Chicago and
00:07:19.800 living in New York now. Getter is headquartered in New York. So yeah, unfortunately, I've only lived
00:07:24.820 in blue cities. I should be more like sunny and live in, you know, a red state where it's warm and
00:07:29.300 the taxes aren't terrible. But unfortunately, I'm stuck here in New York. So when this is all happening
00:07:34.760 and you're coming up writing for National Pulse and then working for Trump, are you seeing
00:07:39.580 a different treatment of you when you go home? Like, is that a real thing? I've talked to who
00:07:45.480 have I talked to? I know Owen Troyer from InfoWars was big on like, I lost a lot of friends for my
00:07:51.340 politics. When you're going home or when you're in school, are you seeing people, you know, be like,
00:07:56.080 oh my God, I can't believe she works for such and such. Is that a real thing?
00:07:59.640 100% it's a real thing. Working on the campaign, you know, I can definitely say I lost a lot of
00:08:06.660 friends. My family has not been invited to a Thanksgiving with our extended family since
00:08:12.980 2016, since Trump won. So yeah, I think there is unfortunately a lot of animosity. And unfortunately,
00:08:21.460 it doesn't have to be that way. But it's the political climate that we're in right now.
00:08:25.820 And I think that I've seen just interacting with getter users, a lot of them have said,
00:08:30.160 you know, they've had similar experiences. So it can definitely be tough. But, you know,
00:08:35.860 I think that when you believe what you're doing is right, it's important to stand up for that.
00:08:40.460 And I know that's something that like Sonny and I definitely always try to remember when the going
00:08:44.660 got tough on the Trump campaign. So yeah, definitely, I can speak to that for sure.
00:08:50.000 Sonny, what do you think is the going forward 2022? Let's put our 2022 goggles on here.
00:08:57.980 How do we reach to this, this younger demographic that I'm guessing you guys are part of? I think
00:09:03.700 you're both 20 years old is my guess. I'm 19.
00:09:10.840 What do you think are the methods to, you know, get people more involved? We've got the
00:09:16.560 political groups, the TPUSAs and such. But I feel like there's a section or portion of the
00:09:22.900 generation that kind of sees that as like still to establishment. Do you have any thoughts on how
00:09:29.140 that gets better moving forward, how you get people involved in wanting to actually change
00:09:34.620 real policies and not see it as some sort of hopeless cause?
00:09:39.540 You know, you actually took my first answer because I was going to say places like Turning
00:09:43.960 Point. They have a lot of great information for people, but for those that are turned off by
00:09:48.920 groups and organizations like that, I think you take it back to the basics and you take it back
00:09:54.880 to the policy and to policies that are beneficial to every single person's life. Take it to, you know,
00:10:02.540 the first amendment, your, your freedom and your right to speech, something that's been taken away
00:10:06.780 from so many people. And we've seen it, not just being conservatives that are being attacked
00:10:11.680 online. You have people like Nicki Minaj who are getting censored on Twitter just for stating her
00:10:16.760 opinion. And I think when you see that start happening to more mainstream people, that will
00:10:21.800 start resonating with the younger generation to say, hold on, I don't think I want to live in a 0.65
00:10:26.580 country that censors what I can and cannot say online. So if you take it back to just policy and
00:10:34.020 things that really impact your everyday life, like gas prices, then those are types of things that will
00:10:39.960 resonate with people moving forward into 22 in the midterms. Kingsley, are you going to be creating
00:10:46.020 TikToks like Sonny to reach the youth? I will not be creating TikToks like Sonny. Well, I haven't 0.95
00:10:54.380 gotten engaged yet. So maybe if I'm fortunate enough to get engaged, I'll also make an engagement TikTok.
00:11:00.760 But no, on that note, we are going to be launching a sort of TikTok competitor as part of our getter
00:11:07.920 platform. And we're going to have, you know, the ability to create short videos. So I think that
00:11:14.180 is, you know, we've seen how successful TikTok is with the younger gen. So I think that that's
00:11:19.420 something, it's a market that we definitely want to pursue and go after at getter. You know, just
00:11:24.620 young, younger people, we have shorter attention spans, I think just growing up looking at screens
00:11:29.500 and stuff like that. So I think, you know, those kind of short bursts and quick videos are really
00:11:34.860 popular and something that, you know, I think we'll continue to see more of on getter as the
00:11:39.900 app continues to add exciting new features and new developments. We might win. Can I make a
00:11:45.560 disclaimer that I don't make TikTok videos? Oh, okay. For whoever knows. Sonny does all of the dances.
00:11:53.660 Is this true? I do not. No, this is not true. Although I have tried some of them. My cousins
00:11:59.600 trying to teach me some of them. Only some of you guys. I don't do any of the dances. Quickly move to
00:12:04.060 some of them. We see where this is going. Hey, they stay in the drafts. They don't see the light
00:12:09.060 of day. So it's fine. Yeah. The shorts on YouTube are blowing up. I kind of try to use them to break
00:12:17.360 through the algorithm a little bit, which is obviously one of the reasons I like Getter because
00:12:21.840 it has a, you know, legitimate algorithm where I don't like feel soul crushed by posting something
00:12:28.100 and getting no views. But how are you guys dealing with, Sonny, if you're still in Carolina,
00:12:34.560 I guess your lockdowns aren't really, you know, crushing your life. Kingsley, if you're in New
00:12:39.400 York or Chicago, what are we on? We're on like round four up here. We're on a, currently a three
00:12:45.980 week lockdown that's supposed to end in two weeks. We'll see what happens there. How is it going for
00:12:50.780 you where you are? Well, I will say, I think where you are might be the only place that's worse than New
00:12:57.000 York. So I really feel for you. Thank you. Um, but, uh, New York is pretty awful where, you know,
00:13:03.560 starting to lock down again. Um, and obviously you have to show your vaccine card to eat, to work out,
00:13:11.000 to see a movie. It's absolutely bonkers. Um, and it's just, it's so insane. Luckily we are starting
00:13:18.240 to see, you know, some people protesting there. There was recently a group at, um, Burger King that
00:13:23.620 they were arrested for trying to just eat a burger without a vaccine card. Um, so yeah,
00:13:28.540 blue cities are just awful places to be. I mean, the taxes are crazy. The crime is skyrocketing.
00:13:34.580 Obviously you have all of this vaccine mandate stuff. Um, so really not, not an incredible place
00:13:40.700 to be in a Dem city these days, but, um, you know, trying to do what I can, uh, to bear with it, 0.83
00:13:48.180 uh, have a lot of friends, you know, who also don't have vaccine cards, obviously. So we'll
00:13:52.860 have apartment, you know, get togethers and things like that. But, but no, it's, it's really
00:13:57.820 frustrating. And it's even more frustrating when you see, you know, New Yorkers like AOC jet down
00:14:03.040 to free Florida and enjoy, you know, the benefits of a Republican led state. Um, while, you know,
00:14:08.720 the, the citizenry here is stuck in New York. Yeah. That was really weird. She just championing 0.85
00:14:15.380 always where she's from acting like she's from, like she was in a gang or something growing
00:14:20.560 up. It's basically how she talked. Then she's in Florida hanging out with like drag queens 0.99
00:14:25.120 and everything and, and gets COVID. What was this video of her and her and her boyfriend
00:14:29.880 about his feet? I didn't really catch what the joke was about his feet, but she, she ended
00:14:36.540 up responding that it was because some, somebody wanted to sleep with her is why they were making
00:14:41.120 fun of it. Do I have that right? That is correct. And you know, my last name is Cortez. So I'm just
00:14:48.060 going to start saying that anyone who disagrees with me politically is romantically interested
00:14:52.260 in me. You know, that would be kind of a nice way to fend people off, I guess. But I think the
00:14:56.620 reason AOC says that is because, you know, she doesn't want to engage in a political debate where 0.98
00:15:02.740 we have to talk about, you know, facts and what actually is going on with the COVID statistics,
00:15:08.500 why Florida is doing so much better than a state like New York, despite having a lot more elderly 1.00
00:15:14.240 people per capita than New York. She doesn't want to talk about that. Right. So she just writes it
00:15:18.840 off as, Oh, you're obsessed with my boyfriend's feet and whatnot. But anyway, so she's, she's
00:15:25.480 incredibly frustrating. Hate having the same last name as her.
00:15:28.320 I don't even realize that until now. I'm going to have to call you KOC, I think. 1.00
00:15:33.600 I like that. There we go. But, but yeah, she is definitely someone that I hope
00:15:38.160 we can oust in 2022 or later than that. We'll, we'll have to see what happens. Hopefully we've
00:15:45.020 got a big red wave coming that can kind of silence a lot of her craziness. 1.00
00:15:49.060 Sunny, that's kind of the point, isn't it? That AOC never has to debate or actually discuss any of her 0.94
00:15:55.880 views with anybody. Now they can say that she's going to be like president in 2070 or whatever 0.99
00:16:00.900 they want, but I don't see her ever getting to a position where she actually has to be on a debate 0.69
00:16:06.080 stage. Do you? No, I definitely could not see that happening unless it's something that she could do 1.00
00:16:12.420 from her Instagram lives. Since that seems to be the only time she will actually talk directly to the
00:16:18.260 people. Um, you know, I will say I hate it for her. I hate that she got COVID, but the thing is
00:16:23.440 she took that risk in going down to Florida and exercising her free right to go travel and
00:16:29.220 vacation. Everyone should have that right. But instead, if you just look at the hypocrisy coming
00:16:34.420 from her, she wants her state to be locked down. She wants everywhere else to be locked down and not 0.93
00:16:41.320 enjoy any of their freedoms, except those rules don't apply to her. And she can go vacation in Florida
00:16:46.360 and live it up. And when you just look at the hypocrisy coming from her, it's astounding.
00:16:51.080 Kingsley, what's your take on this new, uh, mayor for NYC? Everybody was kind of hopeful
00:16:57.180 with his tough and crime stance and everything, but it's turned into like the last thing I saw
00:17:02.260 was him saying that he has to battle white supremacy every single day in the city.
00:17:07.360 And that was the reason why he hired his, hired his brother to be a security guard,
00:17:11.400 whole white supremacy thing. Um, a lot of the equity, the same talk that we're seeing,
00:17:17.320 is it better or worse than we thought, or is it basically what you expected?
00:17:23.680 I think, you know, unfortunately it is worse. Um, we were definitely excited about him,
00:17:29.100 you know, having a background as a policeman. I think we thought he would be a little bit tougher
00:17:33.140 on crime and would try and clean up just the surge in, um, criminal activity that we're seeing,
00:17:38.660 frankly, all across the city. But unfortunately it doesn't seem like he's heading that direction.
00:17:43.040 As you mentioned, he did appoint his brother, um, to kind of head up, you know, fixing crime in the
00:17:49.360 city. His brother has no crime experience, no NYPD experience whatsoever. He is not qualified for
00:17:56.140 this position, but you know, this is kind of, kind of New York. This is like the Cuomo brothers,
00:18:01.020 right? It's a similar thing that's going on here. Um, and, uh, we had hoped too, that he would kind
00:18:07.780 of ease up these just tyrannical and draconian vaccine mandate restrictions and it doesn't look
00:18:13.400 like he's going to. Um, so yeah, unfortunately I don't think Adams is going to be a centrist in any
00:18:19.320 sense of the word. He might even be worse than de Blasio, which is pretty hard to do.
00:18:24.040 Oh man, I hope it's not a de Blasio 2.0. I think everybody I hear talk about New York is,
00:18:31.020 says de Blasio is the worst of all time. I can't think back much further than, uh, Giuliani,
00:18:37.020 but it's definitely this, the city appears to be doing much worse. What do you think that is? I
00:18:42.580 mean, I have my own conspiracies. I kind of think that maybe this might've been done on purpose so
00:18:47.060 that some people can buy up a lot of real estate, you know, take a control of the city. That seems
00:18:52.380 to be what's happening here with the crushing of the small businesses. And obviously large businesses
00:18:57.320 are booming and then taking up more real estate. Bill Gates, of course, buying a whole bunch of stuff.
00:19:02.320 I know I'm jumping around here, but what do you think it's the eternal question of
00:19:07.120 dumb or evil? Which side do you think this falls on in terms of the Cuomo's and the de Blasio's?
00:19:14.280 Right. I think you hit the nail right on the head there. You know, I think it is because small
00:19:18.480 businesses are just being decimated. Um, the lockdowns have forced, you know, middle-class
00:19:23.720 families who own a restaurant or a small business, they've been forced to shutter that business.
00:19:29.500 And I think the financial hurt that comes with that, um, sometimes encourages people to lash
00:19:36.680 out in different ways, whether that's looting, whatnot. So I think, you know, there's a lot
00:19:40.300 of factors that go into why we're seeing a surge in crime. Um, and I think that's a big part. I would
00:19:45.760 also say another huge component is just, you know, that they've seen criminals throughout the city have
00:19:51.420 seen you will be released. No bail. If you commit a crime. Remember, sorry for interrupting. That's the
00:19:58.100 new thing. Um, what was it? Armed robbery. As long as you don't hurt somebody, then there's not going
00:20:04.520 to be any jail time. Was that correct? Correct. The city has announced, you know, that they will no
00:20:09.820 longer prosecute a number of crimes and armed robbery was one of the ones on those lists. So that
00:20:15.880 obviously is just going to incentivize bad behavior across the city, right? We're just going to see,
00:20:20.680 um, absolute mayhem. Um, so I think just, you know, the reluctance of leadership to be tough on crime
00:20:28.940 because they're scared, you know, of being called racist or white supremacist or what, whatever it is,
00:20:35.620 right. Um, the reluctance of them to enforce the laws that they should be enforcing, that they took
00:20:41.000 an oath to enforce is really, really going to hurt the city and make it a dangerous place. Um, like it
00:20:47.260 was, you know, before someone like Giuliani came in and really cleaned it up.
00:20:51.740 Where's Batman when you need him? Sunny, I was talking to you. This is what you have to deal
00:20:56.520 with on my show is my bad jokes. Don't worry about it. We'll, we'll cut out any silence where
00:21:01.100 they're in place, a laugh track over it. Sunny knows.
00:21:07.920 See, this is the parts we have to cut now, producer. Unfortunately, I want to ask you,
00:21:13.640 I was talking to John Doyle last week about the, you know, supposed red wave for the midterms.
00:21:18.340 What are you thinking? Do we think it's going to be a red? Cause we're disappointed every time,
00:21:22.840 you know, most popular president of all time, Joe Biden up here, greatest prime minister of all
00:21:29.420 time, Justin Trudeau, you know, the votes never lie. What are you thinking coming this summer?
00:21:34.880 It's five ish months away. I want to say, do you think it's, you know, as strong as everybody
00:21:40.660 thinks it's going to be, or are you leaving the door open for some disappointment,
00:21:45.440 whether artificially or realistically in terms of like who wins?
00:21:51.060 Well, I will say I'm an optimist, so I am hoping for a huge red wave, but I think what,
00:21:56.520 what's different this time about other elections is that Joe Biden has done such a horrible job just
00:22:02.220 within its first year as being president. We have, you know, an unprecedented supply chain crisis.
00:22:09.720 We have bills going up, immigration out the wazoo. We have wide open borders. Um, and a lot of people, 0.85
00:22:17.740 I think are finally realizing what their vote for Joe Biden actually meant. It wasn't just for a nice
00:22:23.780 guy. Somebody who says nice things doesn't hurt your feelings on Twitter. They voted for bad policies.
00:22:29.500 And so I think that people are really feeling that in their pocketbook and they hopefully will make
00:22:34.540 that, um, make their voices heard come November when we have our midterms coming up. And hopefully
00:22:40.840 we will have a good announcement from president Trump, because I know he said that he is going to
00:22:45.840 make his announcement after the midterm. So I'm crossing my fingers and hope we have an announcement
00:22:50.560 coming from him around November, December of this year. So you want him to run again then?
00:22:56.340 Yeah, absolutely. I would love that. I think it's going to take a strong leader like him to pull us
00:23:03.700 out of the mess that Joe Biden and the Democrats have put us into.
00:23:07.800 What do you guys think is the next thing that the Democrats sort of sort of shift to? Because I'm
00:23:12.700 seeing basically a global shift away from the COVID narrative. If I'm being completely honest,
00:23:18.800 we're seeing them from the CDC, everything down to, you know, our provincial, our state offices here
00:23:25.680 saying, oh, we were wrong about the hospitalization numbers. It's actually half and half the people
00:23:30.300 who come in for COVID versus just with COVID. And we're sort of seeing them admit these sort of things
00:23:36.260 across the board. What do you think the new narrative, let's say, is going to be going into
00:23:41.440 the midterms? Because they have to come up with something because Joe Biden is, you know, record low
00:23:46.340 disapproving and approval rates, the inflation, the gas prices, the border, you name it. There's not a
00:23:53.000 single marker I think that you can point to that's like, good job. I mean, I guess they try to go with
00:23:58.060 the job numbers. But when you decimate the jobs and bring them back, it's gonna, you know, it's
00:24:02.880 gonna look good. What do you think that they go with to try to be like, you know, we can't vote them
00:24:08.240 in just yet, you guys? What do you think? So I think that they're really gonna go national security
00:24:19.520 very, very hard because, you know, we're seeing what's happening in Ukraine. And then just today,
00:24:25.500 the Biden administration announced that they're going to give over $300 million to the Afghan
00:24:30.140 government. So I think, you know, foreign policy is an area where Biden feels comfortable, right?
00:24:36.660 Because that's what a lot, that's a lot of what he did for the Obama administration. And I think the
00:24:41.620 CDC has just messed this COVID thing up so badly. The state is really seeing the elites,
00:24:49.080 the elite class, the ruling class, they're really seeing the CDC isn't gonna be how we seize power,
00:24:54.440 it's gonna be through the national security apparatus. So I think that that's kind of the
00:24:59.400 next thing that they'll jump to and latch on to. I hope I'm wrong, because like President Trump
00:25:04.900 argued for, there's no reason that we should be meddling in foreign conflicts that do not
00:25:09.120 concern the United States, Ukraine and Taiwan being examples, in my opinion. But I think that will 0.98
00:25:15.620 really be the next kind of push we see from the Biden White House, just kind of war everywhere,
00:25:21.640 policymaking.
00:25:26.220 Sonny, you want to go ahead?
00:25:28.560 Oh, sure. Yes, I agree with Kinsley on that. And it's sad, though, because I remember during the
00:25:35.580 campaign, one of Obama's former national security advisors actually said that Joe Biden was wrong
00:25:43.460 on every single foreign policy decision that he made throughout his entire career. And that's not
00:25:48.840 someone that you want as your commander in chief, or, you know, the one that's running our country,
00:25:54.800 somebody that has been known as being wrong on every single foreign policy decision. I think
00:26:01.080 Kinsley's right, I think it ultimately will come to that, that will probably be the next big thing since
00:26:05.660 COVID is kind of dwindling down. But I hope that Joe Biden will do the right thing and think of
00:26:12.160 American citizens and our men and women in uniform, and protect their lives over getting
00:26:18.120 involved in other countries' wars.
00:26:21.460 How do we get people to sort of read into this stuff more? Now, with the CDC, what I mean is
00:26:26.580 this data, and here the data has been available for, I'm going to say at least a year. I was looking
00:26:33.000 through my tweets yesterday, and my earliest one was November 2020, talking about the hospitalizations
00:26:38.220 and everything. So I think it's just a matter of people actually paying attention. Do you think
00:26:42.600 there's a way we can get people to, you know, cut through the politicization of it all, in terms of,
00:26:49.140 you know, we're talking about actual life and death here in people's health. Is there a problem with the
00:26:54.120 way it's presented by the media and the government? Do we need to get rid of like particular talking
00:27:00.620 heads? Like, Fauci's supposed to be the guy, you know? Like, he's the one who feeds us the information.
00:27:06.400 Is there some other way we can get people to, you know, listen and look into things in a more honest
00:27:11.380 manner, do you think?
00:27:15.540 Well, I think that, unfortunately, COVID has become so political. Either you agree with COVID or you
00:27:21.380 don't, and that puts you on one side of the aisle. Like you were saying, this data has been out.
00:27:26.940 But when you have people like our own Supreme court justice, um, Sotomayor saying that a hundred
00:27:32.240 thousand children are in critical condition because of COVID when that number is actually
00:27:37.420 between three and 5,000, those types of huge exaggerations just stoke panic and fear into
00:27:43.640 our population. And when there are not voices of truth out there stating what the real numbers are,
00:27:49.880 then it's hard to cut through and find the facts. But then again, it all ties together because
00:27:54.800 when you have people like Dr. Malone, um, Dr. Scott Atlas, who are actually reporting the facts
00:28:01.020 and reporting, um, their research, they're being censored on Twitter, just like Kingsley was with
00:28:06.740 vaccine misinformation. So when there's not a place for them to go and report their facts,
00:28:11.660 it all just turns into one big cycle of fear. But luckily we have getter where we won't censor for
00:28:17.000 your political opinion or your scientific opinion. I should add, um, then I think that's a really
00:28:22.580 great place for people to go and find facts without opinion included into it.
00:28:28.080 Kingsley, you're a menace to society. Now, how do you feel about, uh, how much blame do you put on
00:28:34.480 the individual person versus the institutions? I'm probably a little bit more negative than you on
00:28:39.260 this, but I want to get your opinion on it. I might surprise you. I'm pretty negative when it comes to,
00:28:45.460 um, when it comes to the health apparatus in this country. Um, but no, I mean, I would,
00:28:51.780 I would definitely kind of echo what Sonny saying, you know, a lot of this unfortunately has been so
00:28:57.700 politicized that, like you said, it's really hard to find, um, accurate information on COVID just
00:29:03.040 even basic things like statistics, right? So that, yes, that's why getter is so important. And that's
00:29:08.640 also why independent media like this is so important. You know, people like Joe Rogan who
00:29:13.380 are willing to have the conversation and willing to ask the questions, right? Because at the end of the
00:29:18.020 day, we should be able to question science. Science fundamentally is, you know, question
00:29:23.240 making and hypotheses. That's the very root of what it is curiosity. And the fact that we're not able to
00:29:29.720 engage in that anymore, I think is really, really sad. And I think it's really dangerous for the health
00:29:35.420 of our country going forward, you know, because we have to be so quote unquote, politically correct.
00:29:40.620 We can't even, you know, talk about the real factors that contribute to COVID, um, deaths,
00:29:46.400 whether that's obesity, um, heart problems. Um, we truly don't know how many people have died from
00:29:54.720 COVID. And I suspect a lot more people have died with COVID than from COVID.
00:30:00.400 Yeah. That's the other thing. I think it was Brett Baier on Fox trying to ask her how many people
00:30:05.460 go with or from it. My guess is over 90% is just with, like you mentioned, the comorbidity stuff
00:30:12.160 has been out there and the old stats that they used to have up there on the CDC's website was just
00:30:18.140 5% of people only had COVID as the cause of death. So I'm, I'm trying to be a little bit
00:30:24.860 conservative or general so as to not, you know, be completely wrong. Uh, and I think it's going to
00:30:30.880 eventually come out that, um, once they reveal that, I think they have it. I mean, I think they
00:30:35.800 know considering how long it's taken for them to admit the statistics that are already on there
00:30:41.840 and just go on pretending as if it isn't. I think that they actually know what's going on because if
00:30:47.240 they can, if they can tell us who's going into hospitals for COVID versus who's going into hospitals
00:30:54.900 and just testing positive for COVID, I think they can tell us if somebody is dying from or with it.
00:31:00.340 That's just my opinion. I think I'll be proven right on that one, but I don't want to hold my
00:31:05.540 breath on it. I think it's about them trying to appear as if they're, they're giving us the truth
00:31:10.860 now and we've just figured it out. You guys, we want to give it to you straight now so that you vote
00:31:15.520 for us. There's an elect, there's the midterms coming up. Canada's got a bunch of provincial
00:31:20.560 elections. Australia's got an election. I'm sure other Western countries might, uh, hopefully the
00:31:26.400 Australian communist lady gets kicked out, but I think this is part of their, you know, move to 1.00
00:31:30.900 like, look how honest we are. You guys, you know, am I making any sense? I think you are. And I almost,
00:31:37.960 um, kind of sometimes feel that maybe them admitting, you know, yes, there were more,
00:31:44.740 much more deaths with COVID than from COVID is kind of a way to hide what we just saw come out last
00:31:52.780 night from project Veritas, the much bigger evil, right? That they may have known that we were doing
00:31:59.400 gain of function research and not just known, but the U S taxpayer may have funded gain of function
00:32:04.860 research at the Wuhan lab that subsequently led to COVID escaping from that lab. Um, so perhaps
00:32:11.760 sometimes I go back and forth on this, but sometimes I feel that maybe them kind of, you know,
00:32:16.780 seeding a little bit of the statistical territory in the U S on, um, you know, what really happened with
00:32:22.460 COVID and how it impacted the citizenry is kind of to draw attention away from the very good work
00:32:29.020 that people like project Veritas are finally exposing and how, just how involved Fauci was
00:32:33.780 at the onset, um, of COVID being released. What do you guys think is actually going to
00:32:39.160 happen with Fauci? I think at this point, I'll say it if you guys can or won't that I think he should
00:32:45.360 probably be, probably be facing sort of prosecution at this point. I think he's probably lied under oath a
00:32:51.140 couple times. Um, and, and the stuff, Sonny, have you seen the project Veritas stuff yet? It sounds
00:32:56.860 like you have Kingsley. I actually have not seen that yet, but I will be looking it up as soon as
00:33:03.500 we finish up here. Um, they rejected it and said, no, it's too risky. It sounds like we're doing exactly
00:33:09.460 what we're not allowed to. And the NIH and, uh, what's that guy's name? Who's running the eco health
00:33:14.900 alliance? I forget his name. Do you remember his name? Oh, I don't. Uh, well, my producer, pardon?
00:33:23.320 Peter Dayzak. Yeah. And they're just like, let's do it. And, and I think it's super fishy. Obviously
00:33:30.120 you're doing this in a foreign country. What do you guys think actually happens to him? And Kingsley,
00:33:34.220 if you want to talk any more about, uh, the project Veritas stuff, go ahead.
00:33:37.620 Um, yeah, no, again, this is an incredibly alarming report, um, that they've thankfully,
00:33:45.540 you know, made public to the American people. Um, I think this is something that we've heard
00:33:50.360 murmurs of, um, but hadn't had, you know, an investigative reporter really kind of break
00:33:55.760 the story the way they have. Um, so very thankful to them. I know Aaron Spracklin, Eric Spracklin,
00:34:01.840 one of their, uh, their guys has been suspended on Twitter as well for publishing the video. He is
00:34:07.260 on getter. So definitely go check him out there. Um, but no, it's incredibly alarming to see that,
00:34:12.680 you know, COVID wasn't just mismanaged by, um, the Chinese government and it wasn't just covered up,
00:34:19.720 but that we were a part of that, right. That the American taxpayer unknowingly was a part of this
00:34:25.320 incredibly reckless research that again, we knew we were not allowed to do, and we're not supposed to
00:34:30.960 do in any capacity whatsoever, but people like Dr. Fauci made the unilateral decision to fund it anyway.
00:34:37.260 Um, and I think, I think you're right. He should be held criminally responsible and liable for that
00:34:43.380 mistake. This is why you're kicked off Twitter, Kingsley. Can't be trusted to toe the line.
00:34:50.100 Sonny, you're, um, again, the optimist here, it turns out. What do you, what do you think is going
00:34:55.740 to happen? What do you think should happen? We see him against, uh, Rand and Paul going back and
00:35:01.180 forth. Stupid move by Fauci, I want to point out, to hold up a picture of himself that says fire,
00:35:06.860 Fauci for meme sake. I mean, that was just a bad move overall. What do you think is going to happen?
00:35:13.060 What do you think should happen? Well, I can't speak to the report because I haven't seen it yet.
00:35:18.640 Um, but you know, we know that Fauci has lied. His emails have come out, um, you know, back and
00:35:23.940 forth, whether it be the mask, uh, wear a mask, don't wear a mask. He's flip-blocked so much. Um,
00:35:29.000 and I will steal this from Kingsley's dad. Actually, Steve used to post all the time about
00:35:33.760 Fauci's shot of the month. Um, how, you know, Fauci with his boosters. Um, so what I think
00:35:41.160 should happen is that he should be held accountable for all that he has done with, um, the research at
00:35:47.160 the lab lying to the American people. Um, instead of just saying that he didn't know what was best for
00:35:54.780 the virus, he made a statement and then has gone back on it and refuses to acknowledge that.
00:36:00.240 But luckily there are people like Senator Rand Paul and a few others, just a few others in
00:36:05.820 Congress that are holding him accountable. And unfortunately we've seen this be a partisan
00:36:09.840 issue as well. It's been mostly Republicans, if any, that are holding his feet to the fire and
00:36:15.340 asking him a few basic questions, but we don't see that from the, from the Democrats. And I don't know
00:36:20.820 why that this should not be a partisan issue. This should be about truth and it should be
00:36:24.760 about protecting the American people. Have you guys seen those really weird clips of him in the
00:36:30.120 eighties talking about AIDS? Have you, are you familiar with this? Yes. Well, he completely 0.66
00:36:35.660 messed up his handling of the AIDS pandemic too. I mean, this guy's track record is awful. I don't
00:36:40.780 know what he's worse at throwing a first picture being an infectious disease doctor. I think 50 cents
00:36:47.160 might be worse. I haven't seen the Fauci one recently, but the stuff he said in the eighties was
00:36:52.460 you can, might be able to get AIDS if you sit next to somebody who has AIDS. So you don't want to let
00:36:58.180 anybody with AIDS near your kids. And you can find these clips. It's from an interview. I think it was
00:37:03.120 on, it was on NBC or CBS or something like that, but it was like a sit down interview where it's,
00:37:09.100 it reminded me a lot about the early COVID stuff where it's just real fear generated and it's the
00:37:15.260 worst thing that could possibly happen. We don't know if it's, I thought it'd be obvious. And I'm no
00:37:21.100 scientist that something could be, you know, given to somebody just by being in proximity to them
00:37:26.700 versus not. So I don't, I don't know how the testing goes, but some wild stuff. And I think,
00:37:31.920 I think everybody should go watch it. Anything, any positive spin on that one, Sonny?
00:37:38.340 I don't think you can put a positive spin on that other than we've seen throughout his whole career
00:37:43.620 that he has flip-flopped on things. And instead of taking accountability for that,
00:37:47.620 he just brushes it under the rug and moves on to the next subject.
00:37:51.460 Or changes definitions on the website. So what if I change the definition? I'm working on my New
00:37:56.380 York accent, excuse me. My friend, Eric, every New York politician, Cuomo, Fauci, Italian, New Yorker,
00:38:03.880 he's got the accent down. I want, lastly, I want to ask you guys, you mentioned the,
00:38:08.180 the, like the reels, the short clips coming together. Is there a plan for any like programming?
00:38:14.080 Obviously YouTube does their own programming, Twitter. I don't think Facebook does either,
00:38:19.580 but is there any plan that you guys want to start, you know, putting out your own stuff,
00:38:23.160 whether it's a news broadcast or anything like that?
00:38:28.120 I don't think Getter specifically is going to be hosting anything like that, but we're really
00:38:33.820 focused on empowering our creators. So one way we've been able to kind of accomplish,
00:38:39.360 I think the same thing is through live stream. So we're beta testing our live streaming right now.
00:38:44.820 I don't like betas. So we'll say we're alpha testing it. But anyway, that's a feature that
00:38:50.560 we've just recently rolled out to, you know, select people, select people to kind of play around with
00:38:55.580 and tinker with, and we're getting great feedback on that. And hopefully we'll, it'll be something
00:38:59.800 that we'll be able to give to all of our users. So I think the live stream is really a way that,
00:39:04.640 you know, we can kind of accomplish what a lot of other streaming platforms are doing,
00:39:09.440 but we'll do it in a way that empowers the creator and allows them to share their ideas in an
00:39:13.920 unfiltered, uncensored way.
00:39:16.340 Sunny, do you want to add to that?
00:39:18.560 Yeah, go ahead.
00:39:19.240 I was just going to say, I will add to that. Some of our, one of our features that we have coming out
00:39:24.220 soon will be a rival to the Instagram stories. So along with the live that we have, we're also going
00:39:30.860 to be having an option to do little short videos, like on Instagram, which I am extremely excited
00:39:37.560 for, because it is not quite like TikTok, but it is very similar to Instagram.
00:39:42.840 Well, Twitter failed at doing that stuff. I didn't quite mind it. I mean, I didn't use it,
00:39:46.720 but Twitter failed at it. What's your goal, Sunny? I know you used to do, and this is where the life
00:39:53.440 coach Andrew comes into play. I know you used to do the streeters in the reporting Kingsley. I don't
00:39:58.300 know about you, but do you guys eventually want to, the Kingsley and Sunny show? Like,
00:40:03.840 what do you guys want to do?
00:40:06.880 I would be game for that. Yeah. The street stuff that I did was a really, really long time ago,
00:40:13.320 but I enjoy it. I go live on Getter. I haven't, I did my first one yesterday of this year, but before
00:40:21.260 that I was doing it probably twice a week before the holidays. And I really enjoyed it because I love
00:40:26.860 our chat that we have coming up and then people can also rewatch it. And there's a lot of positive
00:40:33.060 feedback on there of just good people encouraging you. So I am super open to a Sunny and Kingsley
00:40:40.640 show. If Kingsley wants to do that, I think we get it going. I'm starting. Careful. We'll put you out
00:40:45.280 a business. Wow. I invite you on my show. I give you money. No, nobody's paid to be paid. I wish I'll
00:40:54.860 pay you in, you know, some sort of nondescript cryptocurrency that you can't get, you can't
00:41:00.120 get any money for a coin or something. Oh man. Crypto is weighed down. Last, last thing I have to ask you
00:41:09.340 guys. And I'm sorry that I have to ask you because Elijah Schaefer's my friend. Is there anything you
00:41:14.340 guys can say about that stuff? He said he reached out to you guys for certain reasons. He made some
00:41:20.200 claims. Is there anything you guys can say about that? I think he has a problem with your guys'
00:41:26.420 positions. I'm not sure the full story. Is there anything you guys can share about that?
00:41:31.980 Yeah, definitely. I mean, I think that I'm a big fan of Elijah too. I think he does great work
00:41:37.600 and I love watching his stuff. I love particularly when he had Kyle Rittenhouse on his show. That was
00:41:43.660 super awesome. So I'm a big fan of his work and he's someone that, you know, we definitely welcomed
00:41:49.000 on the platform with open arms. Jason gave him a shout out even, and he's someone that we love
00:41:53.920 having on the platform and want on the platform. Unfortunately we have, you know, since we're a
00:41:59.300 fairly new platform, we still have some bugs and things that we're working through. We're only six
00:42:03.680 months old. So one thing that our team's working really diligently on is our search bar function.
00:42:09.440 It's really hard just to find users sometimes. Jason Miller even won't be the first suggested
00:42:16.500 person when you type in Jason, even though obviously he's verified and everything like that.
00:42:21.060 So I think that there was a little bit of difficulty, you know, finding his account in the search bar
00:42:26.160 itself. So he thought he was being shadow banned, but I can definitely assure, you know, you and
00:42:31.420 everyone that's watching this, that getter does not shadow ban whatsoever. We don't even have,
00:42:36.340 you know, algorithms that, uh, put certain users above other users or make their content more viewed
00:42:42.860 or whatnot. Um, so I can definitely say that, you know, he was not shadow banned and the issue has
00:42:48.160 recently been resolved and fixed. I'm happy to say, and he, um, was thankful for that definitely
00:42:53.300 publicly and to us privately. Um, so yeah, Elijah is someone that, you know, we're happy to have on the
00:42:59.040 platform. Um, and he is welcome just as anybody else's to express frustrations or disagree with
00:43:06.760 political views of others on the platform. That's really what we're all about, right? It's a marketplace
00:43:10.840 of ideas. Well, I thank you for answering that. And that's why I like the platform. I, um, I had
00:43:17.140 producers actually asking me today, should I, should I get a getter account and Andrew, you know, everyone
00:43:22.900 comes for me to advice or comes for me for advice. You can imagine. And I said, it's an actual real
00:43:28.540 algorithm. It reminds me of YouTube in 2017 when I didn't feel, you know, demoralized by the
00:43:34.440 algorithm. So I thank you guys for that. Anything else you want to say, Sonny, I want the, uh, the
00:43:40.040 Sonny ways to come through. That's a Canadian reference. You probably don't get. I want you
00:43:44.220 to give us your best, your best, um, predictions moving forward for life, for everything. I don't
00:43:50.140 even know what I'm saying here. I want to hear Sonny put a positive spin on 2022. Go please.
00:43:55.640 Okay. 2022 is going to be our year. We are going to take back Congress and we are going
00:44:02.560 to just flourish. I get her free speech is going to thrive and we are all just going to
00:44:07.240 come together to make sure that happens. And I am very excited for these up this upcoming
00:44:13.340 year. Thanks so much, both of you. I didn't pay her to say that, but I will maybe consider
00:44:19.680 it. All right. Thanks girls. I appreciate you. Have a great day. Okay.
00:44:22.760 Thank you.