ANDREW CHAPADOS ｜ GETTR vs. Free Speech with Sonny Joy Nelson and Kingsley Cortes
Summary
Getter employees Sunny Joy Nelson and Kingsley Cortez join me to talk about censorship on social media platforms like Getter and why they think it s important to have an alternative platform for people who don t agree with your views.
Transcript
00:00:00.000
Sunny Joy Nelson and Kingsley Cortez are both former Trump campaign staffers who work for
00:00:10.420
the social media platform Getter. It's been getting a lot of publicity and high-profile
00:00:15.980
influencers jumping ship amidst censorship on Twitter. They join me now. How are you both?
00:00:25.000
Now, Kingsley, this is an interesting way for us to both meet. You've been suspended
00:00:29.940
or what's the term they're using for kicking you off Twitter for now?
00:00:35.060
I have been locked out of Twitter. So in other words, I'm in Twitter jail for the next 12 hours.
00:00:40.200
What exactly is that for? I didn't see that they actually told you what it was for. Do you know
00:00:49.920
Correct. They did not tell me what it was for. I received an email this morning that my account
00:00:54.620
had been locked for spreading COVID misinformation, whatever that means. Those goalposts move
00:00:59.860
a lot. So it's hard to keep track. But I suspect it was my tweet where I said that, you know,
00:01:06.780
parents shouldn't be giving children an experimental vaccine for a disease that by and large doesn't
00:01:12.700
affect them. I stand by that statement. I think the science stands by that statement. And luckily,
00:01:17.780
I can say it on alternate platforms like Getter. But for the time being, I'm in Twitter jail,
00:01:22.580
along with a lot of other folks who have said, you know, similar things about COVID and similar
00:01:29.460
Now, do you think Twitter sort of has a target on you guys? Obviously, they're probably their
00:01:33.840
main competitor right now. We could talk about Parler and other platforms. But in terms of
00:01:38.900
publicity and what everybody's talking right now at Getter, do you do you guys as a company feel like
00:01:44.060
Twitter's looking out for you guys? And maybe this might have had something to do with it?
00:01:55.820
I was just going to say, I'm sure that they are. Anyone that probably comes against what they believe
00:02:02.280
is truth, they're going to be coming after. And I'm sure that's why they have their eye on big
00:02:06.800
conservative figures like Kingsley and other people that are going to be speaking the truth or even just
00:02:12.880
their own political opinion. Twitter is going to be coming after them.
00:02:18.060
100%. And I would I would add to Sunny's point, too. I think, you know, they've seen this influx of
00:02:23.680
new users that we've had. We had Joe Rogan join the platform recently. And the day that he joined,
00:02:28.480
we had 171,000 new users follow him just in that day alone. So I think they're seeing, you know,
00:02:35.360
that there really is a hunger for an alternate platform. And they're getting scared. And they're
00:02:39.540
scared of Getter because like Rogan, like MTG, who was just banned, Getter is a disruptor.
00:02:45.480
Yeah, I wanted to ask you guys about that huge uptick in I was gonna say viewership, I guess,
00:02:50.720
readership participation. I've noticed it in just since Joe Rogan. What other names can we throw
00:02:57.760
out there that's joined? Somebody's getting emails. Marjorie Taylor Green. I say Tucker Carlson,
00:03:03.620
but he's been on there for a while, hasn't he? Has have any of these people really reached out to
00:03:08.020
you guys? Or is it sort of, do people do that? Or are they just sort of joining?
00:03:14.880
People do reach out to us. But Tucker, I think Tucker's account is new as of yesterday.
00:03:20.320
Along with him, we've had Tulsi Gabbard and some other, you know, really big names joining. Also,
00:03:27.840
Ian, I don't know how to say his last name. I always messed up Bowen, I think. He's from Yellowstone.
00:03:32.560
If y'all watch Yellowstone, I'm a big Yellowstone girl. So, you know, we're getting all ranges of
00:03:39.160
people joining, whether it be political, actors, athletes. So we've had a huge uptake in users
00:03:45.340
since Joe Rogan joined and now over 4 million users on Getter. Huge, huge increase for us.
00:03:51.820
Definitely. And we're seeing a lot of news accounts start to join too, which is something
00:03:55.760
that's new and exciting for us. We just had Daily Mail join the other day. Obviously,
00:04:00.100
we love having you guys on there. Prager, you recently joined. So we're seeing a lot of them.
00:04:05.300
It's really becoming a place where you can enjoy a nice conversation without, you know,
00:04:09.580
fear of censorship for your opinions. And you can really consume and read news and see what's
00:04:14.600
happening in the world. So that's something that we're really excited about as we see more of those
00:04:18.800
accounts join. Yeah, I think it's a big deal when somebody like Joe Rogan, who's sort of seen as
00:04:24.920
this notoriously centrist person. I mean, I don't believe that he actually is, but he's got he's
00:04:30.460
this figure of, I guess, honesty, you could say. And when he when he comes onto the platform,
00:04:35.620
it gives it that much more credibility. And Sonny, to your point, I don't watch I haven't seen
00:04:40.760
Yellowstone. I keep hearing good things about it. I mean, you know, I'm stuck on Thousand Pound
00:04:46.300
So it's one step above 600 pound life, I think.
00:04:54.440
Well, you need to check out Yellowstone. They just finished season four, and I highly recommend it.
00:05:00.280
Okay, I'll check it out on on the streaming platform that I have that doesn't have it,
00:05:04.540
I'm sure. Kingsley, how did you get it get into all this? I've asked Sonny this before,
00:05:11.520
probably too many times. But how did you get involved in in the Trump campaign and politics?
00:05:19.560
Your father's involved in some capacity, I always forget what his title was. Can you tell us
00:05:28.600
Yeah, definitely. So when I was in college at UCLA, I survived that liberal indoctrination camp,
00:05:35.040
thank God. But when I was in college at UCLA, I started writing for a publication called the National
00:05:40.500
Pulse, which is run by Raheem Kassam. So that kind of was how I, you know, dip my toe into a lot of
00:05:46.320
this world, got to know Jason through that. And then eventually worked the campaign with him in 2020
00:05:53.060
in the strategy department. He was the senior advisor for strategy on that race. And my dad was
00:05:59.640
also a senior advisor for strategy. So it was pretty cool to work in the same office as your parent,
00:06:04.500
was also in the same office as Sonny. So that's how, you know, her and I met. And, you know,
00:06:10.220
the election being stolen wasn't how we wanted the race to go. But I think in many ways, that election
00:06:17.680
really kind of opened our eyes for sure. And a lot of the American people's eyes into just how far
00:06:23.800
these institutions, you know, whether it's mainstream media, big tech, how far they're
00:06:29.360
willing to go to censor opinions that they don't agree with. And I think that's why our CEO, Jason
00:06:34.980
Miller, really saw a need for something like Getter. When we saw, you know, them censor the president,
00:06:40.180
of the United States, that was a big wake-up call for a lot of people, I think, on our side.
00:06:44.660
I'm still holding out for the MyPillow website. No. So are you from California then? I'm guessing
00:06:50.320
if you went to school there. Well, I do have to say, quick note on the MyPillow, I'm currently wearing
00:06:55.840
MySlippers. Well, it's quite interesting then. I would recommend the MySlippers. They're incredibly
00:07:02.260
comfortable and awesome. And use promo code Steve. Oh my God, I knew it. I was about to ask if there's a
00:07:07.680
promo code coming. You're not cool in conservative circles until you have a promo code for the
00:07:13.320
Pillow site. So are you from California? I am not. No, I'm originally from Chicago and
00:07:19.800
living in New York now. Getter is headquartered in New York. So yeah, unfortunately, I've only lived
00:07:24.820
in blue cities. I should be more like sunny and live in, you know, a red state where it's warm and
00:07:29.300
the taxes aren't terrible. But unfortunately, I'm stuck here in New York. So when this is all happening
00:07:34.760
and you're coming up writing for National Pulse and then working for Trump, are you seeing
00:07:39.580
a different treatment of you when you go home? Like, is that a real thing? I've talked to who
00:07:45.480
have I talked to? I know Owen Troyer from InfoWars was big on like, I lost a lot of friends for my
00:07:51.340
politics. When you're going home or when you're in school, are you seeing people, you know, be like,
00:07:56.080
oh my God, I can't believe she works for such and such. Is that a real thing?
00:07:59.640
100% it's a real thing. Working on the campaign, you know, I can definitely say I lost a lot of
00:08:06.660
friends. My family has not been invited to a Thanksgiving with our extended family since
00:08:12.980
2016, since Trump won. So yeah, I think there is unfortunately a lot of animosity. And unfortunately,
00:08:21.460
it doesn't have to be that way. But it's the political climate that we're in right now.
00:08:25.820
And I think that I've seen just interacting with getter users, a lot of them have said,
00:08:30.160
you know, they've had similar experiences. So it can definitely be tough. But, you know,
00:08:35.860
I think that when you believe what you're doing is right, it's important to stand up for that.
00:08:40.460
And I know that's something that like Sonny and I definitely always try to remember when the going
00:08:44.660
got tough on the Trump campaign. So yeah, definitely, I can speak to that for sure.
00:08:50.000
Sonny, what do you think is the going forward 2022? Let's put our 2022 goggles on here.
00:08:57.980
How do we reach to this, this younger demographic that I'm guessing you guys are part of? I think
00:09:10.840
What do you think are the methods to, you know, get people more involved? We've got the
00:09:16.560
political groups, the TPUSAs and such. But I feel like there's a section or portion of the
00:09:22.900
generation that kind of sees that as like still to establishment. Do you have any thoughts on how
00:09:29.140
that gets better moving forward, how you get people involved in wanting to actually change
00:09:34.620
real policies and not see it as some sort of hopeless cause?
00:09:39.540
You know, you actually took my first answer because I was going to say places like Turning
00:09:43.960
Point. They have a lot of great information for people, but for those that are turned off by
00:09:48.920
groups and organizations like that, I think you take it back to the basics and you take it back
00:09:54.880
to the policy and to policies that are beneficial to every single person's life. Take it to, you know,
00:10:02.540
the first amendment, your, your freedom and your right to speech, something that's been taken away
00:10:06.780
from so many people. And we've seen it, not just being conservatives that are being attacked
00:10:11.680
online. You have people like Nicki Minaj who are getting censored on Twitter just for stating her
00:10:16.760
opinion. And I think when you see that start happening to more mainstream people, that will
00:10:21.800
start resonating with the younger generation to say, hold on, I don't think I want to live in a
00:10:26.580
country that censors what I can and cannot say online. So if you take it back to just policy and
00:10:34.020
things that really impact your everyday life, like gas prices, then those are types of things that will
00:10:39.960
resonate with people moving forward into 22 in the midterms. Kingsley, are you going to be creating
00:10:46.020
TikToks like Sonny to reach the youth? I will not be creating TikToks like Sonny. Well, I haven't
00:10:54.380
gotten engaged yet. So maybe if I'm fortunate enough to get engaged, I'll also make an engagement TikTok.
00:11:00.760
But no, on that note, we are going to be launching a sort of TikTok competitor as part of our getter
00:11:07.920
platform. And we're going to have, you know, the ability to create short videos. So I think that
00:11:14.180
is, you know, we've seen how successful TikTok is with the younger gen. So I think that that's
00:11:19.420
something, it's a market that we definitely want to pursue and go after at getter. You know, just
00:11:24.620
young, younger people, we have shorter attention spans, I think just growing up looking at screens
00:11:29.500
and stuff like that. So I think, you know, those kind of short bursts and quick videos are really
00:11:34.860
popular and something that, you know, I think we'll continue to see more of on getter as the
00:11:39.900
app continues to add exciting new features and new developments. We might win. Can I make a
00:11:45.560
disclaimer that I don't make TikTok videos? Oh, okay. For whoever knows. Sonny does all of the dances.
00:11:53.660
Is this true? I do not. No, this is not true. Although I have tried some of them. My cousins
00:11:59.600
trying to teach me some of them. Only some of you guys. I don't do any of the dances. Quickly move to
00:12:04.060
some of them. We see where this is going. Hey, they stay in the drafts. They don't see the light
00:12:09.060
of day. So it's fine. Yeah. The shorts on YouTube are blowing up. I kind of try to use them to break
00:12:17.360
through the algorithm a little bit, which is obviously one of the reasons I like Getter because
00:12:21.840
it has a, you know, legitimate algorithm where I don't like feel soul crushed by posting something
00:12:28.100
and getting no views. But how are you guys dealing with, Sonny, if you're still in Carolina,
00:12:34.560
I guess your lockdowns aren't really, you know, crushing your life. Kingsley, if you're in New
00:12:39.400
York or Chicago, what are we on? We're on like round four up here. We're on a, currently a three
00:12:45.980
week lockdown that's supposed to end in two weeks. We'll see what happens there. How is it going for
00:12:50.780
you where you are? Well, I will say, I think where you are might be the only place that's worse than New
00:12:57.000
York. So I really feel for you. Thank you. Um, but, uh, New York is pretty awful where, you know,
00:13:03.560
starting to lock down again. Um, and obviously you have to show your vaccine card to eat, to work out,
00:13:11.000
to see a movie. It's absolutely bonkers. Um, and it's just, it's so insane. Luckily we are starting
00:13:18.240
to see, you know, some people protesting there. There was recently a group at, um, Burger King that
00:13:23.620
they were arrested for trying to just eat a burger without a vaccine card. Um, so yeah,
00:13:28.540
blue cities are just awful places to be. I mean, the taxes are crazy. The crime is skyrocketing.
00:13:34.580
Obviously you have all of this vaccine mandate stuff. Um, so really not, not an incredible place
00:13:40.700
to be in a Dem city these days, but, um, you know, trying to do what I can, uh, to bear with it,
00:13:48.180
uh, have a lot of friends, you know, who also don't have vaccine cards, obviously. So we'll
00:13:52.860
have apartment, you know, get togethers and things like that. But, but no, it's, it's really
00:13:57.820
frustrating. And it's even more frustrating when you see, you know, New Yorkers like AOC jet down
00:14:03.040
to free Florida and enjoy, you know, the benefits of a Republican led state. Um, while, you know,
00:14:08.720
the, the citizenry here is stuck in New York. Yeah. That was really weird. She just championing
00:14:15.380
always where she's from acting like she's from, like she was in a gang or something growing
00:14:20.560
up. It's basically how she talked. Then she's in Florida hanging out with like drag queens
00:14:25.120
and everything and, and gets COVID. What was this video of her and her and her boyfriend
00:14:29.880
about his feet? I didn't really catch what the joke was about his feet, but she, she ended
00:14:36.540
up responding that it was because some, somebody wanted to sleep with her is why they were making
00:14:41.120
fun of it. Do I have that right? That is correct. And you know, my last name is Cortez. So I'm just
00:14:48.060
going to start saying that anyone who disagrees with me politically is romantically interested
00:14:52.260
in me. You know, that would be kind of a nice way to fend people off, I guess. But I think the
00:14:56.620
reason AOC says that is because, you know, she doesn't want to engage in a political debate where
00:15:02.740
we have to talk about, you know, facts and what actually is going on with the COVID statistics,
00:15:08.500
why Florida is doing so much better than a state like New York, despite having a lot more elderly
00:15:14.240
people per capita than New York. She doesn't want to talk about that. Right. So she just writes it
00:15:18.840
off as, Oh, you're obsessed with my boyfriend's feet and whatnot. But anyway, so she's, she's
00:15:25.480
incredibly frustrating. Hate having the same last name as her.
00:15:28.320
I don't even realize that until now. I'm going to have to call you KOC, I think.
00:15:33.600
I like that. There we go. But, but yeah, she is definitely someone that I hope
00:15:38.160
we can oust in 2022 or later than that. We'll, we'll have to see what happens. Hopefully we've
00:15:45.020
got a big red wave coming that can kind of silence a lot of her craziness.
00:15:49.060
Sunny, that's kind of the point, isn't it? That AOC never has to debate or actually discuss any of her
00:15:55.880
views with anybody. Now they can say that she's going to be like president in 2070 or whatever
00:16:00.900
they want, but I don't see her ever getting to a position where she actually has to be on a debate
00:16:06.080
stage. Do you? No, I definitely could not see that happening unless it's something that she could do
00:16:12.420
from her Instagram lives. Since that seems to be the only time she will actually talk directly to the
00:16:18.260
people. Um, you know, I will say I hate it for her. I hate that she got COVID, but the thing is
00:16:23.440
she took that risk in going down to Florida and exercising her free right to go travel and
00:16:29.220
vacation. Everyone should have that right. But instead, if you just look at the hypocrisy coming
00:16:34.420
from her, she wants her state to be locked down. She wants everywhere else to be locked down and not
00:16:41.320
enjoy any of their freedoms, except those rules don't apply to her. And she can go vacation in Florida
00:16:46.360
and live it up. And when you just look at the hypocrisy coming from her, it's astounding.
00:16:51.080
Kingsley, what's your take on this new, uh, mayor for NYC? Everybody was kind of hopeful
00:16:57.180
with his tough and crime stance and everything, but it's turned into like the last thing I saw
00:17:02.260
was him saying that he has to battle white supremacy every single day in the city.
00:17:07.360
And that was the reason why he hired his, hired his brother to be a security guard,
00:17:11.400
whole white supremacy thing. Um, a lot of the equity, the same talk that we're seeing,
00:17:17.320
is it better or worse than we thought, or is it basically what you expected?
00:17:23.680
I think, you know, unfortunately it is worse. Um, we were definitely excited about him,
00:17:29.100
you know, having a background as a policeman. I think we thought he would be a little bit tougher
00:17:33.140
on crime and would try and clean up just the surge in, um, criminal activity that we're seeing,
00:17:38.660
frankly, all across the city. But unfortunately it doesn't seem like he's heading that direction.
00:17:43.040
As you mentioned, he did appoint his brother, um, to kind of head up, you know, fixing crime in the
00:17:49.360
city. His brother has no crime experience, no NYPD experience whatsoever. He is not qualified for
00:17:56.140
this position, but you know, this is kind of, kind of New York. This is like the Cuomo brothers,
00:18:01.020
right? It's a similar thing that's going on here. Um, and, uh, we had hoped too, that he would kind
00:18:07.780
of ease up these just tyrannical and draconian vaccine mandate restrictions and it doesn't look
00:18:13.400
like he's going to. Um, so yeah, unfortunately I don't think Adams is going to be a centrist in any
00:18:19.320
sense of the word. He might even be worse than de Blasio, which is pretty hard to do.
00:18:24.040
Oh man, I hope it's not a de Blasio 2.0. I think everybody I hear talk about New York is,
00:18:31.020
says de Blasio is the worst of all time. I can't think back much further than, uh, Giuliani,
00:18:37.020
but it's definitely this, the city appears to be doing much worse. What do you think that is? I
00:18:42.580
mean, I have my own conspiracies. I kind of think that maybe this might've been done on purpose so
00:18:47.060
that some people can buy up a lot of real estate, you know, take a control of the city. That seems
00:18:52.380
to be what's happening here with the crushing of the small businesses. And obviously large businesses
00:18:57.320
are booming and then taking up more real estate. Bill Gates, of course, buying a whole bunch of stuff.
00:19:02.320
I know I'm jumping around here, but what do you think it's the eternal question of
00:19:07.120
dumb or evil? Which side do you think this falls on in terms of the Cuomo's and the de Blasio's?
00:19:14.280
Right. I think you hit the nail right on the head there. You know, I think it is because small
00:19:18.480
businesses are just being decimated. Um, the lockdowns have forced, you know, middle-class
00:19:23.720
families who own a restaurant or a small business, they've been forced to shutter that business.
00:19:29.500
And I think the financial hurt that comes with that, um, sometimes encourages people to lash
00:19:36.680
out in different ways, whether that's looting, whatnot. So I think, you know, there's a lot
00:19:40.300
of factors that go into why we're seeing a surge in crime. Um, and I think that's a big part. I would
00:19:45.760
also say another huge component is just, you know, that they've seen criminals throughout the city have
00:19:51.420
seen you will be released. No bail. If you commit a crime. Remember, sorry for interrupting. That's the
00:19:58.100
new thing. Um, what was it? Armed robbery. As long as you don't hurt somebody, then there's not going
00:20:04.520
to be any jail time. Was that correct? Correct. The city has announced, you know, that they will no
00:20:09.820
longer prosecute a number of crimes and armed robbery was one of the ones on those lists. So that
00:20:15.880
obviously is just going to incentivize bad behavior across the city, right? We're just going to see,
00:20:20.680
um, absolute mayhem. Um, so I think just, you know, the reluctance of leadership to be tough on crime
00:20:28.940
because they're scared, you know, of being called racist or white supremacist or what, whatever it is,
00:20:35.620
right. Um, the reluctance of them to enforce the laws that they should be enforcing, that they took
00:20:41.000
an oath to enforce is really, really going to hurt the city and make it a dangerous place. Um, like it
00:20:47.260
was, you know, before someone like Giuliani came in and really cleaned it up.
00:20:51.740
Where's Batman when you need him? Sunny, I was talking to you. This is what you have to deal
00:20:56.520
with on my show is my bad jokes. Don't worry about it. We'll, we'll cut out any silence where
00:21:01.100
they're in place, a laugh track over it. Sunny knows.
00:21:07.920
See, this is the parts we have to cut now, producer. Unfortunately, I want to ask you,
00:21:13.640
I was talking to John Doyle last week about the, you know, supposed red wave for the midterms.
00:21:18.340
What are you thinking? Do we think it's going to be a red? Cause we're disappointed every time,
00:21:22.840
you know, most popular president of all time, Joe Biden up here, greatest prime minister of all
00:21:29.420
time, Justin Trudeau, you know, the votes never lie. What are you thinking coming this summer?
00:21:34.880
It's five ish months away. I want to say, do you think it's, you know, as strong as everybody
00:21:40.660
thinks it's going to be, or are you leaving the door open for some disappointment,
00:21:45.440
whether artificially or realistically in terms of like who wins?
00:21:51.060
Well, I will say I'm an optimist, so I am hoping for a huge red wave, but I think what,
00:21:56.520
what's different this time about other elections is that Joe Biden has done such a horrible job just
00:22:02.220
within its first year as being president. We have, you know, an unprecedented supply chain crisis.
00:22:09.720
We have bills going up, immigration out the wazoo. We have wide open borders. Um, and a lot of people,
00:22:17.740
I think are finally realizing what their vote for Joe Biden actually meant. It wasn't just for a nice
00:22:23.780
guy. Somebody who says nice things doesn't hurt your feelings on Twitter. They voted for bad policies.
00:22:29.500
And so I think that people are really feeling that in their pocketbook and they hopefully will make
00:22:34.540
that, um, make their voices heard come November when we have our midterms coming up. And hopefully
00:22:40.840
we will have a good announcement from president Trump, because I know he said that he is going to
00:22:45.840
make his announcement after the midterm. So I'm crossing my fingers and hope we have an announcement
00:22:50.560
coming from him around November, December of this year. So you want him to run again then?
00:22:56.340
Yeah, absolutely. I would love that. I think it's going to take a strong leader like him to pull us
00:23:03.700
out of the mess that Joe Biden and the Democrats have put us into.
00:23:07.800
What do you guys think is the next thing that the Democrats sort of sort of shift to? Because I'm
00:23:12.700
seeing basically a global shift away from the COVID narrative. If I'm being completely honest,
00:23:18.800
we're seeing them from the CDC, everything down to, you know, our provincial, our state offices here
00:23:25.680
saying, oh, we were wrong about the hospitalization numbers. It's actually half and half the people
00:23:30.300
who come in for COVID versus just with COVID. And we're sort of seeing them admit these sort of things
00:23:36.260
across the board. What do you think the new narrative, let's say, is going to be going into
00:23:41.440
the midterms? Because they have to come up with something because Joe Biden is, you know, record low
00:23:46.340
disapproving and approval rates, the inflation, the gas prices, the border, you name it. There's not a
00:23:53.000
single marker I think that you can point to that's like, good job. I mean, I guess they try to go with
00:23:58.060
the job numbers. But when you decimate the jobs and bring them back, it's gonna, you know, it's
00:24:02.880
gonna look good. What do you think that they go with to try to be like, you know, we can't vote them
00:24:08.240
in just yet, you guys? What do you think? So I think that they're really gonna go national security
00:24:19.520
very, very hard because, you know, we're seeing what's happening in Ukraine. And then just today,
00:24:25.500
the Biden administration announced that they're going to give over $300 million to the Afghan
00:24:30.140
government. So I think, you know, foreign policy is an area where Biden feels comfortable, right?
00:24:36.660
Because that's what a lot, that's a lot of what he did for the Obama administration. And I think the
00:24:41.620
CDC has just messed this COVID thing up so badly. The state is really seeing the elites,
00:24:49.080
the elite class, the ruling class, they're really seeing the CDC isn't gonna be how we seize power,
00:24:54.440
it's gonna be through the national security apparatus. So I think that that's kind of the
00:24:59.400
next thing that they'll jump to and latch on to. I hope I'm wrong, because like President Trump
00:25:04.900
argued for, there's no reason that we should be meddling in foreign conflicts that do not
00:25:09.120
concern the United States, Ukraine and Taiwan being examples, in my opinion. But I think that will
00:25:15.620
really be the next kind of push we see from the Biden White House, just kind of war everywhere,
00:25:28.560
Oh, sure. Yes, I agree with Kinsley on that. And it's sad, though, because I remember during the
00:25:35.580
campaign, one of Obama's former national security advisors actually said that Joe Biden was wrong
00:25:43.460
on every single foreign policy decision that he made throughout his entire career. And that's not
00:25:48.840
someone that you want as your commander in chief, or, you know, the one that's running our country,
00:25:54.800
somebody that has been known as being wrong on every single foreign policy decision. I think
00:26:01.080
Kinsley's right, I think it ultimately will come to that, that will probably be the next big thing since
00:26:05.660
COVID is kind of dwindling down. But I hope that Joe Biden will do the right thing and think of
00:26:12.160
American citizens and our men and women in uniform, and protect their lives over getting
00:26:21.460
How do we get people to sort of read into this stuff more? Now, with the CDC, what I mean is
00:26:26.580
this data, and here the data has been available for, I'm going to say at least a year. I was looking
00:26:33.000
through my tweets yesterday, and my earliest one was November 2020, talking about the hospitalizations
00:26:38.220
and everything. So I think it's just a matter of people actually paying attention. Do you think
00:26:42.600
there's a way we can get people to, you know, cut through the politicization of it all, in terms of,
00:26:49.140
you know, we're talking about actual life and death here in people's health. Is there a problem with the
00:26:54.120
way it's presented by the media and the government? Do we need to get rid of like particular talking
00:27:00.620
heads? Like, Fauci's supposed to be the guy, you know? Like, he's the one who feeds us the information.
00:27:06.400
Is there some other way we can get people to, you know, listen and look into things in a more honest
00:27:15.540
Well, I think that, unfortunately, COVID has become so political. Either you agree with COVID or you
00:27:21.380
don't, and that puts you on one side of the aisle. Like you were saying, this data has been out.
00:27:26.940
But when you have people like our own Supreme court justice, um, Sotomayor saying that a hundred
00:27:32.240
thousand children are in critical condition because of COVID when that number is actually
00:27:37.420
between three and 5,000, those types of huge exaggerations just stoke panic and fear into
00:27:43.640
our population. And when there are not voices of truth out there stating what the real numbers are,
00:27:49.880
then it's hard to cut through and find the facts. But then again, it all ties together because
00:27:54.800
when you have people like Dr. Malone, um, Dr. Scott Atlas, who are actually reporting the facts
00:28:01.020
and reporting, um, their research, they're being censored on Twitter, just like Kingsley was with
00:28:06.740
vaccine misinformation. So when there's not a place for them to go and report their facts,
00:28:11.660
it all just turns into one big cycle of fear. But luckily we have getter where we won't censor for
00:28:17.000
your political opinion or your scientific opinion. I should add, um, then I think that's a really
00:28:22.580
great place for people to go and find facts without opinion included into it.
00:28:28.080
Kingsley, you're a menace to society. Now, how do you feel about, uh, how much blame do you put on
00:28:34.480
the individual person versus the institutions? I'm probably a little bit more negative than you on
00:28:39.260
this, but I want to get your opinion on it. I might surprise you. I'm pretty negative when it comes to,
00:28:45.460
um, when it comes to the health apparatus in this country. Um, but no, I mean, I would,
00:28:51.780
I would definitely kind of echo what Sonny saying, you know, a lot of this unfortunately has been so
00:28:57.700
politicized that, like you said, it's really hard to find, um, accurate information on COVID just
00:29:03.040
even basic things like statistics, right? So that, yes, that's why getter is so important. And that's
00:29:08.640
also why independent media like this is so important. You know, people like Joe Rogan who
00:29:13.380
are willing to have the conversation and willing to ask the questions, right? Because at the end of the
00:29:18.020
day, we should be able to question science. Science fundamentally is, you know, question
00:29:23.240
making and hypotheses. That's the very root of what it is curiosity. And the fact that we're not able to
00:29:29.720
engage in that anymore, I think is really, really sad. And I think it's really dangerous for the health
00:29:35.420
of our country going forward, you know, because we have to be so quote unquote, politically correct.
00:29:40.620
We can't even, you know, talk about the real factors that contribute to COVID, um, deaths,
00:29:46.400
whether that's obesity, um, heart problems. Um, we truly don't know how many people have died from
00:29:54.720
COVID. And I suspect a lot more people have died with COVID than from COVID.
00:30:00.400
Yeah. That's the other thing. I think it was Brett Baier on Fox trying to ask her how many people
00:30:05.460
go with or from it. My guess is over 90% is just with, like you mentioned, the comorbidity stuff
00:30:12.160
has been out there and the old stats that they used to have up there on the CDC's website was just
00:30:18.140
5% of people only had COVID as the cause of death. So I'm, I'm trying to be a little bit
00:30:24.860
conservative or general so as to not, you know, be completely wrong. Uh, and I think it's going to
00:30:30.880
eventually come out that, um, once they reveal that, I think they have it. I mean, I think they
00:30:35.800
know considering how long it's taken for them to admit the statistics that are already on there
00:30:41.840
and just go on pretending as if it isn't. I think that they actually know what's going on because if
00:30:47.240
they can, if they can tell us who's going into hospitals for COVID versus who's going into hospitals
00:30:54.900
and just testing positive for COVID, I think they can tell us if somebody is dying from or with it.
00:31:00.340
That's just my opinion. I think I'll be proven right on that one, but I don't want to hold my
00:31:05.540
breath on it. I think it's about them trying to appear as if they're, they're giving us the truth
00:31:10.860
now and we've just figured it out. You guys, we want to give it to you straight now so that you vote
00:31:15.520
for us. There's an elect, there's the midterms coming up. Canada's got a bunch of provincial
00:31:20.560
elections. Australia's got an election. I'm sure other Western countries might, uh, hopefully the
00:31:26.400
Australian communist lady gets kicked out, but I think this is part of their, you know, move to
00:31:30.900
like, look how honest we are. You guys, you know, am I making any sense? I think you are. And I almost,
00:31:37.960
um, kind of sometimes feel that maybe them admitting, you know, yes, there were more,
00:31:44.740
much more deaths with COVID than from COVID is kind of a way to hide what we just saw come out last
00:31:52.780
night from project Veritas, the much bigger evil, right? That they may have known that we were doing
00:31:59.400
gain of function research and not just known, but the U S taxpayer may have funded gain of function
00:32:04.860
research at the Wuhan lab that subsequently led to COVID escaping from that lab. Um, so perhaps
00:32:11.760
sometimes I go back and forth on this, but sometimes I feel that maybe them kind of, you know,
00:32:16.780
seeding a little bit of the statistical territory in the U S on, um, you know, what really happened with
00:32:22.460
COVID and how it impacted the citizenry is kind of to draw attention away from the very good work
00:32:29.020
that people like project Veritas are finally exposing and how, just how involved Fauci was
00:32:33.780
at the onset, um, of COVID being released. What do you guys think is actually going to
00:32:39.160
happen with Fauci? I think at this point, I'll say it if you guys can or won't that I think he should
00:32:45.360
probably be, probably be facing sort of prosecution at this point. I think he's probably lied under oath a
00:32:51.140
couple times. Um, and, and the stuff, Sonny, have you seen the project Veritas stuff yet? It sounds
00:32:56.860
like you have Kingsley. I actually have not seen that yet, but I will be looking it up as soon as
00:33:03.500
we finish up here. Um, they rejected it and said, no, it's too risky. It sounds like we're doing exactly
00:33:09.460
what we're not allowed to. And the NIH and, uh, what's that guy's name? Who's running the eco health
00:33:14.900
alliance? I forget his name. Do you remember his name? Oh, I don't. Uh, well, my producer, pardon?
00:33:23.320
Peter Dayzak. Yeah. And they're just like, let's do it. And, and I think it's super fishy. Obviously
00:33:30.120
you're doing this in a foreign country. What do you guys think actually happens to him? And Kingsley,
00:33:34.220
if you want to talk any more about, uh, the project Veritas stuff, go ahead.
00:33:37.620
Um, yeah, no, again, this is an incredibly alarming report, um, that they've thankfully,
00:33:45.540
you know, made public to the American people. Um, I think this is something that we've heard
00:33:50.360
murmurs of, um, but hadn't had, you know, an investigative reporter really kind of break
00:33:55.760
the story the way they have. Um, so very thankful to them. I know Aaron Spracklin, Eric Spracklin,
00:34:01.840
one of their, uh, their guys has been suspended on Twitter as well for publishing the video. He is
00:34:07.260
on getter. So definitely go check him out there. Um, but no, it's incredibly alarming to see that,
00:34:12.680
you know, COVID wasn't just mismanaged by, um, the Chinese government and it wasn't just covered up,
00:34:19.720
but that we were a part of that, right. That the American taxpayer unknowingly was a part of this
00:34:25.320
incredibly reckless research that again, we knew we were not allowed to do, and we're not supposed to
00:34:30.960
do in any capacity whatsoever, but people like Dr. Fauci made the unilateral decision to fund it anyway.
00:34:37.260
Um, and I think, I think you're right. He should be held criminally responsible and liable for that
00:34:43.380
mistake. This is why you're kicked off Twitter, Kingsley. Can't be trusted to toe the line.
00:34:50.100
Sonny, you're, um, again, the optimist here, it turns out. What do you, what do you think is going
00:34:55.740
to happen? What do you think should happen? We see him against, uh, Rand and Paul going back and
00:35:01.180
forth. Stupid move by Fauci, I want to point out, to hold up a picture of himself that says fire,
00:35:06.860
Fauci for meme sake. I mean, that was just a bad move overall. What do you think is going to happen?
00:35:13.060
What do you think should happen? Well, I can't speak to the report because I haven't seen it yet.
00:35:18.640
Um, but you know, we know that Fauci has lied. His emails have come out, um, you know, back and
00:35:23.940
forth, whether it be the mask, uh, wear a mask, don't wear a mask. He's flip-blocked so much. Um,
00:35:29.000
and I will steal this from Kingsley's dad. Actually, Steve used to post all the time about
00:35:33.760
Fauci's shot of the month. Um, how, you know, Fauci with his boosters. Um, so what I think
00:35:41.160
should happen is that he should be held accountable for all that he has done with, um, the research at
00:35:47.160
the lab lying to the American people. Um, instead of just saying that he didn't know what was best for
00:35:54.780
the virus, he made a statement and then has gone back on it and refuses to acknowledge that.
00:36:00.240
But luckily there are people like Senator Rand Paul and a few others, just a few others in
00:36:05.820
Congress that are holding him accountable. And unfortunately we've seen this be a partisan
00:36:09.840
issue as well. It's been mostly Republicans, if any, that are holding his feet to the fire and
00:36:15.340
asking him a few basic questions, but we don't see that from the, from the Democrats. And I don't know
00:36:20.820
why that this should not be a partisan issue. This should be about truth and it should be
00:36:24.760
about protecting the American people. Have you guys seen those really weird clips of him in the
00:36:30.120
eighties talking about AIDS? Have you, are you familiar with this? Yes. Well, he completely
00:36:35.660
messed up his handling of the AIDS pandemic too. I mean, this guy's track record is awful. I don't
00:36:40.780
know what he's worse at throwing a first picture being an infectious disease doctor. I think 50 cents
00:36:47.160
might be worse. I haven't seen the Fauci one recently, but the stuff he said in the eighties was
00:36:52.460
you can, might be able to get AIDS if you sit next to somebody who has AIDS. So you don't want to let
00:36:58.180
anybody with AIDS near your kids. And you can find these clips. It's from an interview. I think it was
00:37:03.120
on, it was on NBC or CBS or something like that, but it was like a sit down interview where it's,
00:37:09.100
it reminded me a lot about the early COVID stuff where it's just real fear generated and it's the
00:37:15.260
worst thing that could possibly happen. We don't know if it's, I thought it'd be obvious. And I'm no
00:37:21.100
scientist that something could be, you know, given to somebody just by being in proximity to them
00:37:26.700
versus not. So I don't, I don't know how the testing goes, but some wild stuff. And I think,
00:37:31.920
I think everybody should go watch it. Anything, any positive spin on that one, Sonny?
00:37:38.340
I don't think you can put a positive spin on that other than we've seen throughout his whole career
00:37:43.620
that he has flip-flopped on things. And instead of taking accountability for that,
00:37:47.620
he just brushes it under the rug and moves on to the next subject.
00:37:51.460
Or changes definitions on the website. So what if I change the definition? I'm working on my New
00:37:56.380
York accent, excuse me. My friend, Eric, every New York politician, Cuomo, Fauci, Italian, New Yorker,
00:38:03.880
he's got the accent down. I want, lastly, I want to ask you guys, you mentioned the,
00:38:08.180
the, like the reels, the short clips coming together. Is there a plan for any like programming?
00:38:14.080
Obviously YouTube does their own programming, Twitter. I don't think Facebook does either,
00:38:19.580
but is there any plan that you guys want to start, you know, putting out your own stuff,
00:38:23.160
whether it's a news broadcast or anything like that?
00:38:28.120
I don't think Getter specifically is going to be hosting anything like that, but we're really
00:38:33.820
focused on empowering our creators. So one way we've been able to kind of accomplish,
00:38:39.360
I think the same thing is through live stream. So we're beta testing our live streaming right now.
00:38:44.820
I don't like betas. So we'll say we're alpha testing it. But anyway, that's a feature that
00:38:50.560
we've just recently rolled out to, you know, select people, select people to kind of play around with
00:38:55.580
and tinker with, and we're getting great feedback on that. And hopefully we'll, it'll be something
00:38:59.800
that we'll be able to give to all of our users. So I think the live stream is really a way that,
00:39:04.640
you know, we can kind of accomplish what a lot of other streaming platforms are doing,
00:39:09.440
but we'll do it in a way that empowers the creator and allows them to share their ideas in an
00:39:19.240
I was just going to say, I will add to that. Some of our, one of our features that we have coming out
00:39:24.220
soon will be a rival to the Instagram stories. So along with the live that we have, we're also going
00:39:30.860
to be having an option to do little short videos, like on Instagram, which I am extremely excited
00:39:37.560
for, because it is not quite like TikTok, but it is very similar to Instagram.
00:39:42.840
Well, Twitter failed at doing that stuff. I didn't quite mind it. I mean, I didn't use it,
00:39:46.720
but Twitter failed at it. What's your goal, Sunny? I know you used to do, and this is where the life
00:39:53.440
coach Andrew comes into play. I know you used to do the streeters in the reporting Kingsley. I don't
00:39:58.300
know about you, but do you guys eventually want to, the Kingsley and Sunny show? Like,
00:40:06.880
I would be game for that. Yeah. The street stuff that I did was a really, really long time ago,
00:40:13.320
but I enjoy it. I go live on Getter. I haven't, I did my first one yesterday of this year, but before
00:40:21.260
that I was doing it probably twice a week before the holidays. And I really enjoyed it because I love
00:40:26.860
our chat that we have coming up and then people can also rewatch it. And there's a lot of positive
00:40:33.060
feedback on there of just good people encouraging you. So I am super open to a Sunny and Kingsley
00:40:40.640
show. If Kingsley wants to do that, I think we get it going. I'm starting. Careful. We'll put you out
00:40:45.280
a business. Wow. I invite you on my show. I give you money. No, nobody's paid to be paid. I wish I'll
00:40:54.860
pay you in, you know, some sort of nondescript cryptocurrency that you can't get, you can't
00:41:00.120
get any money for a coin or something. Oh man. Crypto is weighed down. Last, last thing I have to ask you
00:41:09.340
guys. And I'm sorry that I have to ask you because Elijah Schaefer's my friend. Is there anything you
00:41:14.340
guys can say about that stuff? He said he reached out to you guys for certain reasons. He made some
00:41:20.200
claims. Is there anything you guys can say about that? I think he has a problem with your guys'
00:41:26.420
positions. I'm not sure the full story. Is there anything you guys can share about that?
00:41:31.980
Yeah, definitely. I mean, I think that I'm a big fan of Elijah too. I think he does great work
00:41:37.600
and I love watching his stuff. I love particularly when he had Kyle Rittenhouse on his show. That was
00:41:43.660
super awesome. So I'm a big fan of his work and he's someone that, you know, we definitely welcomed
00:41:49.000
on the platform with open arms. Jason gave him a shout out even, and he's someone that we love
00:41:53.920
having on the platform and want on the platform. Unfortunately we have, you know, since we're a
00:41:59.300
fairly new platform, we still have some bugs and things that we're working through. We're only six
00:42:03.680
months old. So one thing that our team's working really diligently on is our search bar function.
00:42:09.440
It's really hard just to find users sometimes. Jason Miller even won't be the first suggested
00:42:16.500
person when you type in Jason, even though obviously he's verified and everything like that.
00:42:21.060
So I think that there was a little bit of difficulty, you know, finding his account in the search bar
00:42:26.160
itself. So he thought he was being shadow banned, but I can definitely assure, you know, you and
00:42:31.420
everyone that's watching this, that getter does not shadow ban whatsoever. We don't even have,
00:42:36.340
you know, algorithms that, uh, put certain users above other users or make their content more viewed
00:42:42.860
or whatnot. Um, so I can definitely say that, you know, he was not shadow banned and the issue has
00:42:48.160
recently been resolved and fixed. I'm happy to say, and he, um, was thankful for that definitely
00:42:53.300
publicly and to us privately. Um, so yeah, Elijah is someone that, you know, we're happy to have on the
00:42:59.040
platform. Um, and he is welcome just as anybody else's to express frustrations or disagree with
00:43:06.760
political views of others on the platform. That's really what we're all about, right? It's a marketplace
00:43:10.840
of ideas. Well, I thank you for answering that. And that's why I like the platform. I, um, I had
00:43:17.140
producers actually asking me today, should I, should I get a getter account and Andrew, you know, everyone
00:43:22.900
comes for me to advice or comes for me for advice. You can imagine. And I said, it's an actual real
00:43:28.540
algorithm. It reminds me of YouTube in 2017 when I didn't feel, you know, demoralized by the
00:43:34.440
algorithm. So I thank you guys for that. Anything else you want to say, Sonny, I want the, uh, the
00:43:40.040
Sonny ways to come through. That's a Canadian reference. You probably don't get. I want you
00:43:44.220
to give us your best, your best, um, predictions moving forward for life, for everything. I don't
00:43:50.140
even know what I'm saying here. I want to hear Sonny put a positive spin on 2022. Go please.
00:43:55.640
Okay. 2022 is going to be our year. We are going to take back Congress and we are going
00:44:02.560
to just flourish. I get her free speech is going to thrive and we are all just going to
00:44:07.240
come together to make sure that happens. And I am very excited for these up this upcoming
00:44:13.340
year. Thanks so much, both of you. I didn't pay her to say that, but I will maybe consider
00:44:19.680
it. All right. Thanks girls. I appreciate you. Have a great day. Okay.