Rebel News Podcast - ANDREW CHAPADOS ｜ James Klüg and the Propaganda Pipeline

00:00:00.000 I guess it's more gender neutral, right?

00:00:02.280 Because it's so easy for anybody to have a baby now.

00:00:05.660 Anybody can have a baby? 1.00

00:00:07.600 Seems like it, yeah.

00:00:08.940 Why do you think they did that?

00:00:11.300 Wait, what?

00:00:12.040 I need you to ask me that question again because...

00:00:14.700 It's a lot to process.

00:00:15.360 It is a lot to process.

00:00:16.700 Why do you think they did that?

00:00:18.320 I'm a mother.

00:00:20.060 Well, I'll tell you what.

00:00:20.700 We thought last night was going to be calm.

00:00:22.400 It absolutely was not.

00:00:23.920 Tonight, we were thinking it would die down a bit.

00:00:25.800 Tensions would maybe drop.

00:00:27.380 They have absolutely not.

00:00:29.000 Right now, this crowd is probably the same size,

00:00:32.980 if not bigger, as last night.

00:00:55.860 Both of you believe that white privilege exists.

00:00:58.520 What is it?

00:00:59.560 I didn't think it was, like, that real until recently.

00:01:03.480 And I was, like, thinking about, like, the opportunities I've had growing up and stuff like that.

00:01:07.920 And being a woman, everyone's like, oh, like, you don't have as many rights and stuff. 1.00

00:01:12.200 Like, you don't have as much equal opportunity.

00:01:14.120 I haven't found that to be true.

00:01:15.500 But I do know, or I at least feel that as a white person, I have, like, a little bit more opportunity than someone who's not.

00:01:25.820 James Klug is a political commentator, he's been labeled as a pipeline to conservative news for his on-the-ground coverage of BLM and Antifa riots.

00:01:42.460 Welcome back to Andrew Says.

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00:01:57.980 James, thanks for joining me today.

00:01:59.800 How are you doing?

00:02:01.760 Andrew, thank you so much for having me on, man.

00:02:03.960 Appreciate it.

00:02:04.440 I'm doing very well.

00:02:05.380 Doing very well.

00:02:06.000 Having a good week so far.

00:02:06.960 How are you?

00:02:07.800 I'm good.

00:02:08.420 Thank you.

00:02:09.020 Two guests in a row asked me how I'm doing, and it's the first two ever.

00:02:12.460 I'm very happy about that.

00:02:13.980 Now, I want to jump right into your content so anyone who's not familiar with you gets a feel of the type of stuff you produce.

00:02:20.320 You recently did a video asking people about the Biden administration changing their terminology from mother to birthing people.

00:02:28.180 Let's go ahead and play that hilarious slash ridiculous clip.

00:02:31.800 I guess it's more gender neutral, right? 0.95

00:02:34.020 Because it's so easy for anybody to have a baby now.

00:02:36.780 Anybody can have a baby? 1.00

00:02:39.320 Seems like it, yeah.

00:02:40.660 Why do you think they did that?

00:02:43.060 Wait, what?

00:02:43.760 I need you to ask me that question again because it's a lot to process.

00:02:47.120 It is a lot to process.

00:02:48.220 Why do you think they did that?

00:02:50.640 I'm a mother.

00:02:51.920 Mothers to birthing people? 1.00

00:02:53.900 No, that makes no sense to me.

00:02:55.280 I don't know why they would do something like that.

00:02:57.000 I mean, everybody's offended by everything now, so it just makes sense that they're offended by the word mother.

00:03:03.720 That, of course, is from your Instagram.

00:03:05.260 James, what is the goal of a push like this for this type of language from the administration, I mean?

00:03:11.340 Well, I want to add one thing.

00:03:13.000 It's one of those topics that even Biden supporters, keep in mind a lot of Biden supporters, they voted for Biden because they did not like Trump, right?

00:03:20.820 So they're figuring all this far left-wing stuff out, and a lot of people are totally rejecting it.

00:03:26.420 Of course, you do still get people that are absolutely on board for it.

00:03:30.520 But this is a pretty interesting conversation, and I think there's a lot of speculation around this.

00:03:35.200 But I think a lot of it has to do with kind of destabilizing culture in America.

00:03:41.020 Basically, if there's something good or more so something that the left in our country absolutely despises, such as, let's say, traditional gender roles.

00:03:50.660 Now, I'm not saying that every single woman has to be the most female woman and every single man has to be the most masculine man.

00:03:56.780 Not everybody has as great facial hair as you and I.

00:03:58.780 But they really go the opposite direction, right?

00:04:04.220 They go the exact opposite direction of, okay, let's just obliterate gender altogether. 1.00

00:04:09.980 And that's what we're seeing with the Biden administration.

00:04:11.780 They're trying to replace mothers with birthing people, pretty much dwindling down motherhood. 1.00

00:04:17.800 I mean, this is what it is.

00:04:18.640 It's dwindling down motherhood to the physical act of giving birth, basically treating them like they're cattle in a farm. 1.00

00:04:25.640 It's pretty disgusting.

00:04:26.700 And mothers that are watching this and just mothers all across the world, motherhood is a full-time job. 0.94

00:04:32.220 It's a lifetime job, full-time, 100%.

00:04:35.580 And it's a lot more than just the physical act of giving birth.

00:04:38.600 It's nurturing.

00:04:39.400 It's raising.

00:04:40.000 It's all of this beautiful stuff that comes with motherhood.

00:04:44.080 And it kind of just falls in that pattern of basically going the exact opposite direction of traditional American culture, American values, everything like this.

00:04:54.240 That's just one aspect of the conversation.

00:04:57.360 And there's a lot more points to this.

00:04:59.840 It's basically getting rid of genders where, you know, they pretty much just want absolutely nothing to do with a mother, father, boy, girl, anything like that in this country. 1.00

00:05:09.940 And this is really what they're pushing for.

00:05:11.560 They're going to keep pushing and they're going to keep normalizing this stuff, keep pushing it in schools, which they already are.

00:05:17.200 And I know in Canada they're already – I believe they're pushing for that stuff as well.

00:05:21.440 And, yeah, I mean there's just no end in sight.

00:05:23.900 And a lot of people see this, you know, a lot of folks that voted for Biden that see this.

00:05:28.020 And maybe they're not the furthest left person.

00:05:29.880 Maybe they just didn't like Trump that much.

00:05:31.560 And a lot of people are completely rejecting it.

00:05:33.980 However, it's a really aggressive push from the left.

00:05:36.080 I mean it's incredibly aggressive and they push it in every aspect of our lives.

00:05:39.360 You turn on Netflix and they're trying to be politically correct, everything like that.

00:05:42.560 So it's in media, entertainment, it's in government, schooling, everything.

00:05:49.000 Well, in Canada, rejecting your child's gender identity will get them taken away from you and in even one case ended up in British Columbia as a man going to jail.

00:05:57.720 I wanted to ask you what is the – the other side – what about the people who say this is just for inclusion, we're just trying to be nice to people.

00:06:06.920 How do you differentiate between, you know, a power move versus let's just be nice and friendly to people?

00:06:14.420 Well, I mean even the inclusion aspect of it, it's just a terrible argument.

00:06:18.820 You're including how many people, how many few people and excluding the rest.

00:06:24.540 One of the questions that I asked in that video was, hey, do you feel included by this?

00:06:28.200 Asking mothers around – I mean I'm in Los Angeles, by the way, like when I was filming that video.

00:06:32.400 It's not very conservative.

00:06:33.820 It's pretty left-leaning and you ask mothers, hey, do you feel included by this?

00:06:37.720 Absolutely no, they do not.

00:06:39.220 And they almost treat it like a joke, but it's not a joke.

00:06:41.480 It's completely serious.

00:06:42.980 So I think it's another example of, oh, well, we want to be inclusive.

00:06:47.460 We want – you know, we're caring about these people's rights and all this stuff.

00:06:51.380 But really you're excluding the 99 percent majority of individuals out there.

00:06:57.300 It's kind of similar to recently we had a transgender woman go into a spa in Los Angeles. 0.74

00:07:03.800 And he still had his male genitalia, exposed himself in front of women in the women's only section of the spa as well as underage girls. 0.88

00:07:13.400 And the argument from the left in this country is, oh, well, that person has a right to do that.

00:07:18.880 Well, you know, this person doesn't – if this person's rights stampede on the 99 percent, then that doesn't make that much sense.

00:07:26.460 I mean, of course we want to treat people with love and compassion and stuff like that.

00:07:30.240 I mean, you know, people want to be equal, but that's not equality there.

00:07:32.980 So why such a hard attempt and push to garner support from a population that's 5 percent is generous, well under that?

00:07:40.540 Why such a push to accept Caitlyn Jenner into the Republican Party?

00:07:45.580 Why such a push to, you know, change language?

00:07:47.860 What is the goal, as you said just before, to try to dismantle what the social fabric is?

00:07:54.560 Or is there some other reason that you think it is?

00:07:57.940 I think there's multiple reasons, but I think that's the number one reason.

00:08:01.540 I think dismantling social fabric of the United States, I think it's the number one goal, getting rid of what it means to be American, Judeo-Christian values, anything like that.

00:08:12.020 These people basically run the exact opposite direction.

00:08:14.580 They're going far left.

00:08:16.040 I mean, this is not just, oh, well, meet in the middle a little bit.

00:08:19.240 No, this is the exact 180, complete opposite.

00:08:22.160 I think that's the biggest goal in my personal opinion.

00:08:24.920 I know there's other points that people have made as well.

00:08:26.740 But from my personal opinion, I definitely think that that's the end goal is basically obliterate gender roles, obliterate all these things.

00:08:34.780 And gender roles are important. 1.00

00:08:35.960 And it's important to celebrate what being a man is in a household or being a woman is in a household.

00:08:42.360 These people want nothing to do with that.

00:08:43.860 They want an absolute just, I don't really know, a billion genders. 1.00

00:08:47.480 They want no man or female or man or woman. 0.96

00:08:50.600 They don't want any of that stuff.

00:08:51.820 And it's completely ignoring science, right?

00:08:55.760 I mean, it seems like a Russian disinformation campaign, frankly.

00:08:59.880 For sure.

00:09:00.860 People are getting into Russiagate.

00:09:01.860 It seems exactly what, I forget, the former Soviet strategist would have wanted.

00:09:07.700 Now, before we get to our next segment, everyone, which is James getting beaten by people at an Antifa riot,

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00:09:31.460 They have these hats on screen, if I'm getting my opposite.

00:09:34.100 Of course, they have their hats right here.

00:09:36.260 They're very nice.

00:09:36.940 They even have some final plaid, which I'm going to be wearing in the future because I love it.

00:09:40.740 James, you know every Canadian wears plaid, so I implore you, if you want to come cover something in Canada,

00:09:46.500 you'll fit right in if you wear, like, a lumberjack, I think Notorious B.I.G. would refer to it as.

00:09:52.120 But I recently saw you as a guest on Slightly Offensive.

00:09:55.340 You were recapping some of the Antifa violence, which, of course, you've had no short of experience with.

00:09:59.980 I want to take a look at this seemingly random attack that you faced, and we'll get you to recap it for us.

00:10:04.900 This guy right here, religious demonstrators getting shoved to the ground, literally the snot kicked out of them.

00:10:12.260 It was insane.

00:10:13.360 And right when I got there, a guy flanked me from my right, charged me with a police baton, smacked me.

00:10:20.420 Yeah, there you go, smacked me, and we didn't get the full footage.

00:10:23.200 I checked with this guy, and he didn't get the full footage.

00:10:26.220 He accidentally stopped recording, but right after that, he swings at me a couple times.

00:10:30.800 We were kind of dancing around in the street because I was trying to avoid him.

00:10:33.460 I was just like, yo, what are you doing?

00:10:35.800 This was maybe 10 minutes after I got there, no joke.

00:10:40.160 I was just stopping by for the day.

00:10:41.520 I wasn't even trying to go deep in there.

00:10:43.540 I was just stopping by to get footage.

00:10:45.300 Now, explain that a bit more.

00:10:46.500 Why was Antifa there?

00:10:47.780 Why were they attacking street preachers?

00:10:49.260 I saw another clip of a guy with, I think, prayer beads fending off people.

00:10:52.980 For sure.

00:10:53.520 On the same day.

00:10:54.320 Tell everybody what happened there.

00:10:56.160 Okay, so this day, there's so many moving parts to this day.

00:10:59.700 I'll just break it down for you.

00:11:01.580 And this happened on July 3rd, right before July 4th.

00:11:06.320 Nothing says, I mentioned this in Elijah's podcast, nothing says, you know, happy birthday, America, like a small civil war in the streets of Los Angeles.

00:11:15.080 At 9.40 or so a.m., they actually, a conservative group gathered.

00:11:21.420 And what they were gathering for was actually what I was just talking about, which is the transgender female that ended up going into the women's only section of that spa.

00:11:32.760 So what they were doing is this conservative group, maybe 30 people gathered to protest and stand up for the women that felt uncomfortable in that situation.

00:11:42.260 And naturally, Antifa, SoCal Antifa, as well as other Antifa pages, posted this all over the place because they want to confront these conservative demonstrators.

00:11:54.640 So as early as 9.45 a.m., the organizer of the conservative group ended up, you know, he was he was taken out of signs, everything like that.

00:12:03.720 Antifa walked up and they were ripping up the signs.

00:12:05.840 He threatened them with pepper spray.

00:12:07.600 And I think they jumped him.

00:12:09.620 They had about six people on him just kicking the snot out of him in the street.

00:12:13.840 So things just slowly started escalating from there, of course, because that's what happens when fights break out in the middle of the street.

00:12:20.600 Keep in mind, Los Angeles police, you would imagine, OK, yeah, police would be breaking the thing up.

00:12:25.560 When I showed up, it was about I think police were about three blocks away just monitoring the situation.

00:12:31.000 So people are getting beaten in the streets.

00:12:33.400 All this stuff is happening.

00:12:34.580 There's a group of maybe 150 plus left wingers, maybe about 30 more kind of it's more of a religious group in the morning.

00:12:42.060 It seemed like. And when I showed up, I witnessed them all being chased out.

00:12:46.880 So that footage was mine where I'm showing that guy being chased out.

00:12:49.320 He's wearing like a Jesus save shirt, stuff like that.

00:12:53.020 And really what that turned into was a giant battle in the street.

00:12:58.680 After all, the conservatives pretty much just got totally jumped and destroyed.

00:13:03.040 A more aggressive right wing group showed up and they just started battling each other in the street.

00:13:08.120 So not only not not not 10 minutes in, I show up and I'm getting footage of people.

00:13:14.100 I was actually just stopping by. I was filming another video in Los Angeles that day.

00:13:17.480 I stopped by just because I heard about it.

00:13:19.540 I like I mentioned that in that clip that you played, a guy flanked me from from my right,

00:13:24.860 starts swinging this wooden baton at me, ends up smacking me as hard as he can in the back,

00:13:31.040 which, you know, doesn't feel the best.

00:13:33.700 But that's just what you know, that's just what happens when you show up to these these scenes.

00:13:38.120 And yeah, they were they ended up kind of just battling in the street, actually outside of where I parked.

00:13:43.880 So I stayed there for an hour or so. And and that was pretty big news in in in California, certainly.

00:13:49.520 But but nationwide, actually, just because there's this like I mentioned,

00:13:52.680 this mini civil war happening in the middle of Los Angeles.

00:13:55.780 Police are standing by. People are beating the crap out of each other in the street.

00:13:59.180 And it was just chaos. And I know I'm ranting, but I want to mention one thing.

00:14:04.060 A big focus here is a conservative group gathered in the morning, right, to hold their signs, all of this stuff.

00:14:10.600 Antifa has really acted in places where police have kind of a stand down policy as the arbiters of truth,

00:14:17.040 the arbiters of what can be said at these demonstrations.

00:14:19.960 And if you say something that they they dislike, they're going to show up and they're going to beat the living snot out of you.

00:14:25.080 And that's why not a lot of families show up to these places, not a lot of standard conservative right wing people really show up to these places because they kind of know what they're getting into by now.

00:14:35.400 Yeah, I think we can show that picture, producer, Justin, of the mark left on your back because we didn't catch it in the video.

00:14:41.300 It looked like he was carrying like a British police officer's billy club from the 1940s or something.

00:14:46.580 He should have been twirling it around whistling at the time.

00:14:49.280 But that's no joke getting hit across the back like that, much less hairy back than mine.

00:14:54.940 So kudos to you on that.

00:14:56.300 Thank you.

00:14:57.360 You've covered the riots and these attacks, of course, is what you're mainly known for.

00:15:02.600 I want to ask you, have Antifa's tactics changed at all through the progression of all this?

00:15:06.820 We're like probably five years into it now, maybe six.

00:15:10.180 Has their tactics changed?

00:15:11.740 Have they advanced?

00:15:12.680 Has their rhetoric changed or become more extreme?

00:15:15.780 Tell me about the progression of the progressives.

00:15:19.280 Has the rhetoric changed?

00:15:22.540 I mean, I think it's been pretty aggressive for quite some time.

00:15:25.640 They've certainly become, and this is, I don't know if it's shocking, but it's more sad.

00:15:31.000 The rhetoric's become more mainstream.

00:15:33.220 It's been repeated by people, the elected officials in the United States.

00:15:37.440 And that rhetoric is, you know, down with like dismantling capitalism, dismantling individual rights because they see them as a, like a facade of, you know, hierarchies of power.

00:15:48.940 A lot of these people are, I don't know if they're like sick or something, but they're straight up anarcho-communists for a lot of them.

00:15:58.660 I've seen many of them are homeless.

00:16:01.100 Not all, of course, but many of them are homeless.

00:16:02.960 I've seen people that I recognize in my camps that show up to these demonstrations.

00:16:08.660 They've certainly gotten smarter, though.

00:16:10.300 I want to mention that.

00:16:11.240 They've gotten smarter when it comes to spotting out the, quote, bad guys.

00:16:16.440 And really what the bad guys for them are are the reporters that are willing to show it all, right?

00:16:20.980 The reporters that are willing to show them beating people in the streets, vandalizing property, everything like that.

00:16:26.200 And most of those reporters, such as myself, let's say Proud Boys are out or doing something like that, you know, we film those groups as well.

00:16:33.120 They just so happen to do a lot less than Antifa does.

00:16:36.880 I mean, last year in 2020, you hear about this all the time, but the entire summer of BLM and Antifa riots happening in the streets, this stuff was chaos.

00:16:45.540 And the reason why people like me go out filming and people like Jorge Ventura or maybe Kalen from Scriber News, the reason why people like us go out there and film this stuff is because everybody started noticing that the left-wing media, the mainstream media, everything like that wasn't properly covering it, right?

00:17:05.680 They would be saying – CNN is famous for saying fiery but mostly peaceful in Kenosha, I believe it was, with a massive, you know, parking lot on fire behind that person when they're reporting.

00:17:19.240 It's a complete joke.

00:17:20.600 And so we go out there and we actually show everything.

00:17:23.720 We show everything that's going on.

00:17:25.540 It's hard to show, like, every bit just because your life is at risk because they're spotting you out.

00:17:31.140 They have their – we call them fake Antifa press.

00:17:33.820 They usually wear, like, tape with just press written on them.

00:17:37.580 Those individuals harass cops.

00:17:39.600 They dox reporters.

00:17:41.820 They dox – they've doxed me before.

00:17:44.880 And they do their best to basically be active on Twitter to spot out people like me that are filming people committing crimes.

00:17:52.100 Because guess what?

00:17:52.960 People don't like being filmed committing crimes, but somebody's got to do it, unfortunately.

00:17:56.580 Now, according to Joe Biden, it's just an idea.

00:17:59.540 Of course, everybody knows that's false.

00:18:00.960 And they do do a lot of organizing on Twitter, on Facebook groups, and I'm sure probably on more clandestine channels as well.

00:18:08.840 That much is obvious.

00:18:10.320 Is it obvious on the ground that they have some sort of funding or training, somebody telling them what to do in some regard?

00:18:17.100 I know Oakland Antifa had training from the – I think it was the Denmark chapter who was working with actual terrorist people – terrorist organizations out of the Middle East.

00:18:28.340 Is it obvious for at least some of these groups that they're receiving some sort of funding or overarching organization?

00:18:34.740 I mean, I think that they raise money from left-wing groups in the United States.

00:18:40.620 I haven't seen any, like, substantial evidence of that.

00:18:42.880 But one thing I can say for sure is their tactics are very similar all across the United States.

00:18:46.800 I can go to Los Angeles.

00:18:47.800 I can go to Portland.

00:18:48.480 I can go to New York or D.C.

00:18:49.780 And they will use the same tactics that they always use.

00:18:53.540 One example – I mean, these are, like, small things.

00:18:55.600 But one example that just comes to mind right away is their use of umbrellas, right?

00:19:00.080 The umbrella use, they'll have someone with a bat smashing in windows as they're marching.

00:19:06.320 Everyone surrounds that person with an umbrella so no reporters or anything can show them.

00:19:12.120 And every bit of what they do is to protect their own, you know, group.

00:19:16.280 They all wear masks.

00:19:17.140 They all do the right things when it comes to being able to get away with vandalizing property, beating people senselessly in the streets, stuff like that.

00:19:27.060 So they are pretty well organized.

00:19:29.140 Back to your point about Biden saying it's an idea.

00:19:32.820 I want to punch on that because that is another point of why a lot of people started actually showing up and reporting on these.

00:19:40.180 It's because people say, oh, well, Antifa is just an idea.

00:19:43.100 Well, I'm here inconveniently for them filming these people waving, you know, waving Antifa flags.

00:19:49.980 They have Antifa patches, all of this stuff.

00:19:52.260 It's like, okay, they're an idea, but they seem pretty well organized.

00:19:55.360 I mean, you know, a couple posts on Twitter and they're getting hundreds of people to show up to vandalize and destroy property.

00:20:01.740 I'm not really sure if that's so much of an idea as much of a group.

00:20:04.580 Now, they don't have, like, passes or anything, but they're very, very well organized.

00:20:09.020 And they're very strategic with what they do.

00:20:11.060 And way ahead of the curve on masks and safety in that regard.

00:20:15.040 So you're in these BLM and Antifa heavy areas with the riots and the vandalism that's going on.

00:20:20.280 You've been getting attention for this news coverage.

00:20:23.120 News outlets are using your footage.

00:20:24.980 And I want to point out how you're, or maybe yours, I won't put words in your mouth, how an ideological counterpart might see it.

00:20:31.260 And I want to pull up, Justin, an article from The Intercept.

00:20:33.800 It's a couple months old now.

00:20:34.940 I've covered it before, but now that I have you here, here's the quote.

00:20:39.500 And I want to read it in the most evil voice possible because that's what they're painting it as.

00:20:42.900 Newsmax contributor James Klug gave viewers of his video blog a behind-the-scenes look at how viral video to Fox News pipeline works.

00:20:51.560 Now, they talk about you, Julio Rosas, Jorge Ventura, white supremacists, obviously, Elijah Schaefer.

00:21:00.180 And they talk about you in a way like you're creating propaganda by simply filming their actions that they are going through.

00:21:07.020 And I think it's a very weak argument.

00:21:08.740 I think it's just a way for them to publicly get people to know who you are and target you.

00:21:14.460 And I want to show the example that they linked to in that very article.

00:21:18.440 And this is what they give as the example for the video to Fox pipeline.

00:21:22.520 And it's from one of your videos, I think.

00:21:24.160 So let's take a look.

00:21:25.300 All right, you guys, we're back at the Portland Democratic HQ.

00:21:29.100 We have Julio Rosas and Jorge Ventura over here.

00:21:32.660 Julio's hopping on Laura Ingraham right now to talk about what happened earlier today.

00:21:36.100 So, you guys, this is pretty much just a behind-the-scenes of how this all goes down.

00:21:40.620 You get the footage.

00:21:41.900 Companies or channels reach out to you.

00:21:44.420 You hop on and you talk about it.

00:21:46.140 Now, Julio is with Town Hall Media.

00:21:49.600 Jorge is with Daily Caller.

00:21:50.720 But all sorts of news organizations will reach out for comments, you know, to have them on their show.

00:21:58.220 So right now they're hopping on Fox News.

00:22:00.100 One thing is for sure that the Antifa groups here, they do not like Biden.

00:22:03.260 So this is literally you saying that outlets pick up your footage.

00:22:07.340 And I wrote down they could just watch the movie Nightcrawler with Jake Gyllenhaal and pick up the same information.

00:22:13.520 You go out, you get footage, and whoever wants it picks it up.

00:22:16.920 I don't know what the rest of the process of payment-wise is.

00:22:20.280 That's what happens in the movie is all I'm saying.

00:22:22.000 But would you even care which outlet picks up your footage so long as they're using it in an honest manner?

00:22:26.400 No, it's so funny, too.

00:22:29.080 They missed the mark.

00:22:29.740 And by the way, that video, I'm a content creator first and foremost, right?

00:22:33.760 I've been doing YouTube for a little while now.

00:22:35.660 But I also do reporting now.

00:22:37.680 Jorge and – Jorge, who was there?

00:22:40.940 Julio Rosas and Elijah Schaefer.

00:22:44.080 Yeah, Jorge and Julio that were there in that clip right there.

00:22:47.700 We were in Portland reporting, and I was doing a vlog.

00:22:50.320 And I call it on my channel a vlog because that's fun.

00:22:54.640 But in that video, I'm basically showing kind of the process.

00:22:57.880 I'm giving people behind the scenes what it's like for reporters going out into riots.

00:23:02.180 So that was maybe later in the day after Antifa attacked the DNC headquarters in Portland, Oregon.

00:23:09.860 And pretty much every single person – George, myself, Julio – every single person took to social media to expose this stuff, right?

00:23:22.380 We took to social media because it didn't matter about getting paid or anything like that.

00:23:26.400 And, you know, these companies like Fox News, they don't just, like, throw, hey, 300 bucks, come on on.

00:23:30.260 That's not how it works.

00:23:31.120 But we would post on social media first and foremost just to get the truth out there because all that you have at these Antifa riots is Antifa-friendly press.

00:23:42.040 We call them fake Antifa press because they harass cops.

00:23:45.380 They attack people, like I mentioned.

00:23:47.340 They dox reporters.

00:23:49.140 They do all of this stuff, and they protect Antifa.

00:23:52.440 So we show up.

00:23:53.480 We post it to social media, and it gets recognition there.

00:23:56.520 Now, of course, our team now, we're a little bit more connected with who wants the footage and everything like that.

00:24:02.840 So if people want to have the footage or talk about it on their show, for me personally, I go on Newsmax, and I talk about what I see, everything like that because I work with Newsmax.

00:24:13.260 That's how it is.

00:24:14.500 And it's usually the same group of companies because they oftentimes, or pretty much every time, for Newsmax's case, they just tell it like it is.

00:24:25.060 If there's, you know, right-wingers that show up somewhere, they're going to report on it.

00:24:29.420 If there's left-wingers that show up somewhere, they're going to report on it.

00:24:31.680 CNN, all of these other companies, they want nothing to do with talking about Antifa.

00:24:36.060 They want absolutely nothing to do with it.

00:24:38.300 That's why they never invite us on.

00:24:39.820 So, yeah, sure, you get the same.

00:24:42.200 One American News, Newsmax, Fox News, they invite people like this on because they talk about it all.

00:24:48.400 You heard them, Joey Reed.

00:24:50.140 You want that footage.

00:24:51.080 You can have it.

00:24:51.880 Now, maybe I'm too close to this, and I'm too cynical.

00:24:55.260 Is there another reason why they might just be writing an article to name four people that happen to videotape their crimes?

00:25:03.080 Or is it just as obvious as it may seem?

00:25:05.220 What do you think?

00:25:06.280 This person writes this article, names you guys all, and is like, this is how the propaganda flows, you guys.

00:25:12.080 It's literally all, it's exactly what you think it is.

00:25:16.480 It's a targeted hit on people that are working to get this footage out there.

00:25:20.060 They barely mentioned me, which I don't know.

00:25:24.160 I think that's probably a good thing.

00:25:26.220 But they did mention that, you know, that vlog that I did.

00:25:30.040 But they mentioned everyone else, right? 0.99

00:25:31.920 And when someone's exposing your garbage, they have to protect their garbage, I guess. 0.98

00:25:36.780 It's kind of the weirdest hill to fall on. 0.86

00:25:39.720 You know what I mean?

00:25:40.160 It's literally the weirdest hill to die on.

00:25:41.840 But they choose to do it, and they get our names out there.

00:25:45.060 So, you know, now this is going through every single Antifa group, every single BLM group, to where if I'm not covered up or something like that, at one of these rallies, I'm getting jumped by six people or so.

00:25:57.840 I mean, Kalen from Scriber News, he got jumped maybe about a month and a half ago in a BLM rally, and they just saw him.

00:26:07.420 They said, oh, you're not on our side.

00:26:08.920 He wasn't even talking to anybody, and they beat the crap out of him. 0.64

00:26:11.640 That's what happens here.

00:26:13.680 And that's kind of what – I mean, them releasing that information – not kind of.

00:26:17.580 That's absolutely the goal is to expose us so that people – these people aren't going to walk up to us and say, hey, I don't like you.

00:26:24.440 Get out of here.

00:26:25.240 No, they're going to go like circle you.

00:26:28.040 They're going to say you're a propagandist, racist, whatever lies they have, and they all rally themselves up, rile themselves up, and surround you and attack you.

00:26:36.540 That's why most of us have been attacked by people and hit pieces like that article absolutely do not help us.

00:26:44.500 And, you know, we don't even talk to people when we're there.

00:26:47.900 We don't talk to officers.

00:26:48.940 We don't talk to anybody.

00:26:49.880 We just show up.

00:26:51.120 We film what we film.

00:26:52.560 And it's not my fault that you're bashing in windows at a local Wendy's.

00:26:57.440 I mean, that's not my fault.

00:26:58.520 You know what I mean?

00:26:59.100 So, yeah, that article, it's defending the people that have been terrorizing communities for the last year and a half and going after the people exposing it.

00:27:07.580 That's really what it is.

00:27:08.520 Yeah, I think if you have any sort of news acumen, you can pretty much see through what's going on there.

00:27:13.960 And it may be knowledge that someone like you or I or whatever the reverse of myself would be possesses, but I'm not about to go out and write an article about cameramen from MSNBC and BuzzFeed and now this and how they look for right-wing agitators to shove propaganda onto Joy Reid again.

00:27:32.220 I can't stand her. 0.91

00:27:33.700 That's the show I'm picking on.

00:27:35.020 But my point is that I don't think there's any other reason why you would write an article about that.

00:27:40.600 I've never written an article about cameramen before or about people, a group of, these are the group of reporters that report on, you know, oil pipelines or something.

00:27:48.920 I don't see how there can be any other point to it.

00:27:51.260 Well, they must feel like it makes them look bad, right?

00:27:54.720 It makes their side look bad because tribalism, right? 1.00

00:27:58.240 Instead of just condemning bad behavior, which is so easy to do, you see someone being an idiot left or right. 0.99

00:28:04.180 It's not that hard to condemn crappy behavior. 0.98

00:28:06.840 And instead of doing that, they go after the people that are actually exposing it.

00:28:10.080 So, yeah, it's the biggest joke.

00:28:14.540 Like when we saw that article released, that was pretty unbelievable.

00:28:17.280 You have people that are sitting at home on their couch watching the riots all year through their lens and people showing the attacks actually on the street, risking their lives and going after them instead.

00:28:30.500 It's the biggest joke ever.

00:28:32.620 And everyone in this group, pretty much everyone in this group.

00:28:35.200 I mean, I can't name one person that hasn't filmed like Proud Boys doing something, right?

00:28:41.720 We've all been around all these groups.

00:28:43.960 We've filmed all sorts of things.

00:28:45.880 I've filmed Proud Boys and Antifa duking it out in the streets.

00:28:49.920 We don't hesitate to post that stuff.

00:28:52.080 We post it all.

00:28:53.400 And even in that article, they did a big video about the, quote, riot squad, and then they did a big article on it.

00:29:00.860 They didn't mention anything like that.

00:29:02.020 They don't mention any of that stuff.

00:29:03.260 They only mentioned what was convenient for them.

00:29:05.200 So if there was maybe like I would see maybe a screw up in that article, someone messed up or whatever, God forbid you missed saying something while you're in the middle of a riot, while riot canisters are going off, tear gas is going off, officers are pushing back on you, and you're sitting there shaking on Twitter trying to update the world of what's going on there.

00:29:23.800 God forbid there's a mistake.

00:29:25.100 I mean, it's just unbelievable people sitting on their couch at home judging people that are actually going into the thick of it to get the best footage that they can get to paint a picture for what it's looking like at these demonstrations.

00:29:38.800 Last year, so many of them turned into absolute chaos, where if there was just a standard BLM protest in a suburb that remained peaceful, right, a bunch of maybe college kids, stuff like that, people would be boarding up their businesses around the area.

00:29:53.340 Why?

00:29:53.880 It's not propaganda on why.

00:29:56.080 It's because they would see around 10% of these go totally haywire and they destroy the neighborhood.

00:30:01.360 It's insane.

00:30:02.480 Yeah, it happened here, too.

00:30:03.800 When there was a BLM march in downtown Toronto, the majority of the businesses pre-boarded their businesses up.

00:30:10.860 And this is in the financial district on the biggest street in Toronto.

00:30:14.880 These businesses are closing early and boarding their businesses up.

00:30:18.700 And it's not because, you know, of this right-wing fantasy that these things may or may not get violent.

00:30:23.780 It didn't get violent, frankly, but they wouldn't believe that if none of them turned out to be violent.

00:30:28.080 I think you answered my next question, which is that you are more noticeable and recognizable by these groups and all the other people.

00:30:35.440 So I think that we can go past that and just say that it is pretty obvious that they're trying to make you guys out to be targets and support their own ideological teammates.

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00:31:08.440 That's it.

00:31:09.280 Do the thing, as Joe Biden would say.

00:31:10.860 Come on, man.

00:31:13.440 Speaking of Biden, James, his admin, and this isn't funny, is making some scary moves on the eve of Trump's social media lawsuit, ironically enough.

00:31:22.620 I guess they're thinking, let's bypass all that social media stuff altogether.

00:31:26.800 Let's get right into people's phones before they can open up Twitter.

00:31:32.220 Justin, can you please pull up the article from Politico that we have?

00:31:36.120 And I want to read an excerpt from this.

00:31:38.200 I think I saw you talking about this also.

00:31:39.880 Biden-allied groups, including the DNC National Committee, are also planning to engage fact-checkers more aggressively and work with SMS carriers, which is your text messaging, to dispel misinformation about vaccines that's sent over social media and text messages.

00:31:54.640 The goal is to ensure that people who may have difficulty getting a vaccination because of issues like transportation see those barriers lessened or removed entirely, end quote.

00:32:03.520 So they're saying that because people might be hearing misinformation, that's making them hesitant to go get a vaccination, and that's a reason why we should be censoring text messages.

00:32:15.720 Am I understanding this correctly, James?

00:32:17.140 Okay, so basically what we're seeing here, we're seeing a time in American history where the government's realizing and the Democratic Party is realizing.

00:32:36.420 They've gone so far left, they're realizing that they can't become this sort of totalitarian regime that they want to be, that they're going to start pressuring private companies, SMS companies, to police your text messages.

00:32:51.080 And also, who's the arbiter of truth here?

00:32:53.760 Is it a Democrat's opinion that something doesn't work?

00:32:56.000 Because we've seen a lot of times, or many times last year, that things ended up being semi-true or true itself, and they were being censored by big tech.

00:33:07.260 So we're seeing the government putting pressure on private businesses to basically do their bidding.

00:33:11.600 They want to censor, they want to police text messages, and that should be the creepiest thing people have ever heard in their lives.

00:33:17.780 I mean, what other country does that?

00:33:20.840 China.

00:33:21.540 I mean, totalitarian regimes promote stuff like this, and that's the creepiest thing.

00:33:25.300 Now, Politico mentioned that DNC was supporting this.

00:33:29.120 I was looking into the article.

00:33:30.540 I didn't quite see a quote from anybody, but let's just take Politico's word for this.

00:33:37.580 That should worry every single American and every single freedom-loving American.

00:33:42.080 And unfortunately, a lot of people ask, hey, why are Democrats supporting stuff like this?

00:33:47.380 I mean, this seems a little bit anti-freedom, all of this stuff.

00:33:50.620 And I think it's really coming down to one thing.

00:33:52.600 And, you know, I'm pretty – I'm, like, kind of, you know, center-right.

00:33:57.840 I'm more moderate-right.

00:33:59.420 I'm definitely conservative.

00:34:01.680 However, I'm not super hardcore.

00:34:03.620 But you look at this stuff and you're just like, the only way that you could support stuff like this in this country,

00:34:08.140 the only way that you could support stuff like this policing text messages, if you just truly hate what America is.

00:34:15.740 I mean, it almost seems like the only part of this country, the only part of the United States that the left likes nowadays is the geographical location because they don't like anything else.

00:34:24.920 They don't like guns.

00:34:25.520 They don't like freedom of speech.

00:34:26.360 They don't like, I mean, any of our individual liberties that we're granted or we're given, you know.

00:34:33.280 And it seems as though anything reasonable, there's opposing now.

00:34:37.640 This is the creepiest thing I've ever seen.

00:34:39.080 I haven't seen any more information on it.

00:34:41.740 But if this is correct, policing, SMS text messages, everything like that for fake news or news that they believe is fake,

00:34:49.540 whoever's sitting behind the desk saying, I don't like that, that's the creepiest thing that the government could ever get involved in.

00:34:54.680 Yeah, and I didn't think you would get to this point.

00:34:57.520 I mean, do you think providers are going to welcome this?

00:35:00.740 How do you think it plays out?

00:35:01.580 Because it already happens with your Twitter messages, Facebook messages.

00:35:06.280 I'm going to throw out a conspiracy theory with this pen and say that's what Grammarly is, reading your emails.

00:35:11.780 Do you think that, you know, Verizon, Sprint, all these companies, do you think they tow the party line on this moving forward?

00:35:17.960 Yeah, it's a difficult question because I don't know if as many companies are left-leaning from the very top as much as they are just opportunists

00:35:29.580 when it comes to who's going to put the most pressure on them and who's going to give them the most backlash.

00:35:34.680 OK, that's not the right in the United States.

00:35:36.760 The right is not going to put the most pressure on them, and they're not going to give them the most backlash

00:35:40.000 because everybody knows that the right kind of just, you know, you still get a bunch of Republicans that shop at, that go to Starbucks, for example.

00:35:46.300 Starbucks is maybe one of the more openly left-leaning companies in the United States, and far left, right?

00:35:53.240 So the right's not going to be doing that.

00:35:55.040 The left, however, is very vicious when it comes to putting pressure on businesses, when it comes to backlash.

00:36:03.600 These companies fear the left.

00:36:05.420 They absolutely do not fear the right.

00:36:07.480 And I think they might actually get – I mean, we'll see, but they might actually get their way with this.

00:36:13.900 And if they don't get it now, they're going to keep pushing because they just take – you know, it's less about the big jump.

00:36:20.580 It's more about the little, little steps that they take to get to their end goal.

00:36:25.140 That's more of what it's about, and that's more of what you see here to where, you know, you see a little stepping stone.

00:36:29.700 And that's why the right rejects a lot of stepping stones, because they know where it goes.

00:36:33.280 They know where it goes.

00:36:33.920 And now we're talking about policing text messages.

00:36:37.100 Thanks for exposing the end goal.

00:36:38.900 Let's do everything we can to prevent it.

00:36:41.000 I agree.

00:36:41.740 I hope it doesn't become this partisan thing where Taco Bell is for vaccine only.

00:36:46.120 Shout out Taco Bell.

00:36:47.180 Chick-fil-A, you must show your voter registration for Republican. 0.54

00:36:49.800 I hope it doesn't turn out that way.

00:36:52.200 But would I be completely surprised, considering what sports organizations have done, what LeBron James does,

00:36:57.900 what movie theaters or movie streaming companies do?

00:37:01.860 I wouldn't be completely surprised.

00:37:03.300 But I agree with you.

00:37:04.560 As John Doyle says, the slippery slope is real.

00:37:07.860 Any last words, James Klug, to your new Canadian superfans?

00:37:13.140 Well, Canadian superfans.

00:37:14.880 I mean, I guess one thing that I would recommend, you know, a lot of people, they take to social media,

00:37:22.340 they start talking politics, everything like that, to normalize certain conversations,

00:37:25.300 to be a part of that conversation.

00:37:26.340 That, in the United States and in Canada, is more important now than ever when it comes to expressing your views.

00:37:33.940 Because guess what?

00:37:34.800 While you don't express your views, your opposition is working night and day to take away your rights,

00:37:41.900 to take over every aspect of your life, whether it be entertainment, whether it be media,

00:37:46.740 whether it be local schools, whether it be college education, anything like that.

00:37:51.960 So when it comes down to it, definitely voice your opinion.

00:37:55.160 Don't be afraid to.

00:37:56.000 Of course, don't do it if you're going to lose your job or something like that.

00:37:58.240 But do your best.

00:37:59.660 Get into industries that the left has absolutely taken over and totally swarmed in the United States.

00:38:05.220 It's pretty similar to Canada when it comes to what aspects of government they control,

00:38:09.980 what aspects of your life they control.

00:38:11.960 Look into those things, right?

00:38:13.300 It's great that we own Chick-fil-A.

00:38:15.300 It's great that the right has Chick-fil-A.

00:38:16.660 That is so cool.

00:38:18.200 But I'd rather we own a top social media platform that respects your rights as an individual.

00:38:26.260 All right.

00:38:26.860 Thanks a lot, James Klug on Instagram, YouTube.

00:38:29.440 Catch him on Newsmax.

00:38:31.040 And catch him, I guess, at a riot fighting off batons from the 1930s.

00:38:35.760 Thanks a lot, James.

00:38:36.560 Have a good day.

00:38:37.280 And we'll talk to you soon, okay?

00:38:39.220 Andrew, thanks so much.

00:38:40.220 We'll be right back.

Rebel News Podcast - July 23, 2021

ANDREW CHAPADOS ｜ James Klüg and the Propaganda Pipeline

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