Rebel News Podcast - ANDREW CHAPADOS ｜ Jason Miller： How to give Trump advice

00:00:00.000 Jason Miller is CEO of social media platform Getter, Newsmax contributor and former senior

00:00:11.640 advisor to Donald Trump. He is active in a fight against censorship and the monopoly

00:00:16.400 that Silicon Valley has. Jason, thanks for joining me. How are you today, young man?

00:00:22.080 I'm doing fantastic. Great to be back with you. And we're very excited. We've got some good

00:00:26.560 things going on with Getter and the world's a crazy place. I'm glad to be able to join you and

00:00:30.680 chat about it. Yeah, there's so many things I want to talk to you about. The first thing I think that's

00:00:34.740 on everybody's mind the last 24 hours is Governor Cuomo resigning. I want to play this video of his

00:00:41.040 from when he announced his resignation, stating his reasoning. I'm not sure a lot of people believe

00:00:47.000 it. So I want to play it and get your thoughts on it. Can we go ahead with that? And wasting energy

00:00:51.500 on distractions is the last thing that state government should be doing. And I cannot be

00:01:00.180 the cause of that. New York tough means New York loving. And I love New York. And I love you.

00:01:12.460 And everything I have ever done has been motivated by that love. And I would never want to be

00:01:20.940 unhelpful in any way. And I think that given the circumstances, the best way I can help now

00:01:29.560 is if I step aside and let government get back to governing. And therefore, that's what I'll do.

00:01:38.020 Because I work for you. And doing the right thing is doing the right thing for you.

00:01:46.620 Because as we say, it's not about me. It's about we. Kathy Hochul, my lieutenant governor,

00:01:55.800 is smart and competent. This transition must be seamless.

00:02:00.700 Jason, he loves you. I think he's done stuff that's objectively bad, no matter what side you're

00:02:06.200 on. The nursing homes, for example. I don't agree with his vaccine verbiage where he tells people he's

00:02:12.140 going to basically bust in their doors and force them. Do you believe that he just loves the city

00:02:17.160 so much that he wants to step down? Or are you buying what this speech was all about? He's got

00:02:22.240 an Emmy, Jason. He does. And I think he might have an Oscar to add to his mantle now. Look,

00:02:27.340 if you believe one single word that Andrew Cuomo said in that clip that you played, then I have some

00:02:32.680 swampland in Calgary to sell you. Because folks, it is not happening. There was no road to Damascus 0.98

00:02:38.600 conversion. He did not wake up and magically see the light and say, oh, I just love people and I

00:02:44.640 just want to make sure what's best for New York State. Here's what happened. The folks in Albany

00:02:48.900 went to him and said, we have the votes. You're going to get bounced. You can either walk out on

00:02:53.600 your feet or walk out, politically speaking, in a pine box. And that's what they went to him and told

00:02:59.100 him and said, you got to go. The votes are there. Nobody's going to go and defend you. No one's going

00:03:03.340 to rally around you. But I do want to say one thing here with regard to Andrew Cuomo. And I think

00:03:09.040 he did a terrible job as governor. I'd say anyone who lost a family member in one of these nursing

00:03:14.640 homes would attest to that. I think anyone who lost a business in the state of New York would

00:03:18.500 attest to his terrible handling of COVID. Any kid who lost an entire year of school, I think would

00:03:24.400 point to Governor Cuomo as being a disaster. That being said, look, you live by the woke, you die by

00:03:29.940 the woke. If you live by virtue signaling, then you die by virtue signaling. I'm not saying that

00:03:35.540 Andrew Cuomo is not a jerk or that some of his behavior sounds like was inappropriate. There was 0.99

00:03:40.260 no real due process. There was nothing that went through this. They basically said, you got to go.

00:03:45.720 And he went because that's how it works in this new environment. And so, again, I'm not going to

00:03:52.440 defend Andrew Cuomo in one way or another. I'm going to say that when you spend all your time virtue

00:03:58.180 signaling, watch out because the pendulum swings back. So you weren't convinced by his, I kiss

00:04:03.560 everyone. No, when he, the day he resigned, I believe it was just yesterday, the talking point

00:04:13.120 put out was that he announced this to distract from the infrastructure bill. So he announced it

00:04:18.200 on purpose. Do you think that could be the case? Or is there something else? Is it just, you know,

00:04:23.540 but if he knows he's going down and he can do it on any day, is there some merit to that?

00:04:29.600 I, you know, I would be really surprised if that was the case. Cause keep in mind, Cuomo,

00:04:33.760 you know, he'll go, I don't know what he'll do is he'll do something to try to repair his image.

00:04:38.480 Maybe he'll, you know, build some hut somewhere or, you know, go try to save the whales or something

00:04:42.780 like that and then come back. He's still going to want these relationships with the democratic party.

00:04:46.940 He's going to go and try to monetize this lifetime, this whole family lineage of connections. And so

00:04:53.400 he wouldn't do it on thing to intentionally and keep in mind also that, you know, some of these,

00:04:57.680 these votes were happening in the middle of the night. I think what happened was he was at a place

00:05:01.920 that he thought was untenable and the folks in Albany, like I said, they went to him and said,

00:05:06.540 the votes are there. You got to go. And it was just at a point where they didn't think they could

00:05:11.280 hold the dam anymore before it burst. And so, but it was a fascinating press conference. Just take a

00:05:16.220 moment here as someone who's, who's been through a number of fascinating press conferences with a

00:05:20.840 number of political figures over my, my career. And, you know, they spent all morning with Cuomo's

00:05:26.840 lawyer, essentially bashing the accusers saying that, Hey, you're going to get outed. You're going

00:05:32.840 to get publicly shamed. We're going to make your life very difficult for you. Then Cuomo goes and

00:05:38.040 delivers his, his press conference, which, you know, the first 20 minutes of it very much sounded like

00:05:44.160 he was going to dig in and fight. And then he says, Oh, so, uh, I don't want to be a distraction

00:05:48.540 anymore. I'm going to go ahead and leave. Uh, and by the way, I did great things for, uh, COVID

00:05:53.220 LGBTQ community, uh, E Pluribus Unum. Uh, he threw out some other high, some random E Pluribus Unum was 1.00

00:06:00.340 one. Um, he threw out a couple other, just random phrases. It was literally like, um, uh, like a,

00:06:05.940 a political resignation Mad Libs with just a random bunch of garbage thrown in there. And then he's 0.63

00:06:10.940 like, Hey, 14 days, uh, I'll see you guys around. So it was, it was one of the more bizarre, uh,

00:06:16.300 resignations, uh, that I've seen. But again, uh, Cuomo has no soul. I mean, he's very much a, uh,

00:06:21.480 I mean, the, the only person who's, you know, I think probably more narcissistic than him is

00:06:25.680 probably his little brother, Fredo. Uh, I'm not sure if that's the name that was on his confirmation,

00:06:30.240 Fredo Cuomo. Uh, but that's how he's affectionately known Chris Cuomo from, uh, the CNN communist

00:06:35.560 news network. Uh, but, uh, Fredo might be the only person more narcissistic than his brother.

00:06:40.480 But look, the only reason why he's leaving is because they said we have the votes and you got

00:06:43.820 to go. Jason, uh, I was reading up on the replacement there, Kathy Hochul. I think that's

00:06:49.800 how you pronounce it. Hochul. She was being criticized and stuff that I was reading, uh, from leftist

00:06:55.040 sources, um, for opposing driver's licenses for illegal immigrants. And that was in 2014.

00:07:00.460 And my thinking is 2014 in politics is a hundred years. Uh, there, I don't think there's any way

00:07:07.280 that, uh, a Democrat who is second in command to Cuomo comes in and does stuff like that. Do you

00:07:12.820 think anything is going to actually change for, I don't know what our opinion would be for the better?

00:07:19.220 No, I don't think so. And keep in mind, I think that the, uh, you know, one of the things that's

00:07:23.300 kind of being swept under the rug a little bit is the fact that Hochul was not more vocal,

00:07:27.600 uh, with regard to Andrew Cuomo during all of this, this mess that was going on. Um, and I think

00:07:34.020 that, uh, Albany, both the, uh, fellow politicians, but then also with regard to the media, I think

00:07:40.780 they're going to be paying a lot of attention. And look, I would not rule out, uh, the state

00:07:45.020 attorney general, Letitia James. I would not rule out her jumping in and saying, I'm making the play

00:07:49.180 for governor. I mean, she's the, um, she's the big powerhouse right now. And, uh, if I were her, 0.96

00:07:54.540 uh, I would definitely jump in. No one knows who the Lieutenant governor is. Um, so I think it's

00:07:59.540 going to be a very bumpy road. Um, if Hochul does decide to go and run and carry on. 0.67

00:08:05.280 Yeah. I don't see too much changing from within them. If they just put in his second in command,

00:08:09.940 I also wanted to talk to you, um, about Ted Cruz. He's putting in, uh, bands on mandates or he wants

00:08:17.420 to kind of like, uh, Gavin Newsom did in Florida. So I want to get his clip out there and I want to get

00:08:23.240 your thoughts on that and whether or not you think it's going to go through. Go ahead, please.

00:08:26.440 Justin. Time of crisis, people's characters revealed and, and the character of Democrats,

00:08:32.600 whether it is Joe Biden, whether it is Andrew Cuomo, whether it is Bill de Blasio, whether it

00:08:37.100 is Gavin Newsom, the character from their perspective, they do not respect your Liberty.

00:08:44.100 They do not respect your right to make your choices about your healthcare, about your children,

00:08:49.560 about your lives. My view is very simple. There should be no mandates, zero concerning COVID.

00:08:56.980 That means no mask mandates, regardless of your vaccination status. That means no man, 0.98

00:09:01.840 no vaccine mandates. That means no vaccine passports. And I've introduced legislation,

00:09:07.440 a bill to ban vaccine passports. This week, I'm introducing a bill to ban vaccine mandates.

00:09:11.980 And this will I'm week I'm introducing a bill to end mask mandates. Now that doesn't mean as the

00:09:18.540 media likes to characterize that I'm opposed to vaccines. I actually think vaccines are terrific.

00:09:23.480 I've taken the vaccine. My family's taken the vaccine.

00:09:26.200 Now, this is really difficult for me to parse through, I think, because on one hand,

00:09:31.860 I don't agree with mask mandates or vaccine mask or vaccine mandates. But on the other hand,

00:09:37.800 I kind of lean towards thinking that if this was a different issue, an issue that I supported,

00:09:44.020 if I was for masks, for example, which I'm not, wouldn't I want it to be mandated to go down to

00:09:51.960 the local level or the school board level? What if a bunch of these parents are all together and they

00:09:56.780 say, we want this mandate? Wouldn't a mandate banning mandates essentially take away the localized

00:10:04.360 government and take away the ability for people to decide on a municipal level to make these decisions

00:10:09.980 on their own? How do you feel about that? What do you think? Well, to be honest with you, at first

00:10:15.040 glance, my understanding was that was at the federal level. So maybe I was looking at it a little bit

00:10:20.100 too quickly and didn't get as much of a read. But yes, ultimately, I think this is something that's

00:10:24.520 better decided at the local level, at the state level. I think where we've really run into trouble

00:10:29.420 is when we look to, say, Washington, D.C. or quite frankly, in any country, when we look to the,

00:10:35.140 you know, whoever's version of a NHS or might be in power or the CDC and say, you guys give us the

00:10:42.400 one size fits all. I mean, the science has moved so frequently under Anthony Fauci. And part of that,

00:10:48.740 you know, not to be rude to science, some of that is just Anthony Fauci flip-flopping in the wind

00:10:53.540 with regard to the United States. But for example, I'm someone who, look, I'm vaccinated. I'm not

00:11:00.800 ashamed to tell people I think they should go get vaccinated. I very much get concerned about

00:11:05.660 vaccine passports or vaccine mandates for a simple fact that if after this step, then what's next?

00:11:11.420 Saying you can't have a job if you're not vaccinated. Someone on CNN, I hate watched it

00:11:17.940 for a few minutes yesterday morning, was actually advocating that exact position. I think with masks,

00:11:24.180 the science has moved so much that I'm not convinced of the effectiveness. Here's a very serious

00:11:28.420 point. A little bit flippant, but it's also a serious point. Anthony Fauci, not that long ago,

00:11:33.500 was telling people to wear two masks. Why is he not coming back and telling people to wear two masks

00:11:37.840 now? Why is he only saying that kids two and up wear one mask? Why not wear two masks as he was

00:11:43.220 previously advocating? It's these types of details that nobody seems to be raising and take an issue

00:11:48.700 with. I do like the fact that Senator Cruz, a former boss of mine, also my second favorite Canadian

00:11:53.600 after Wayne Gretzky, is making an issue of this and pushing back against some of the overreach I've

00:12:00.920 seen from the CDC. But back to your initial point, I do think this is much better decided at the local

00:12:05.880 or the state levels. Yeah, it's really interesting. And in terms of Fauci, the mask, even his emails,

00:12:13.300 he said the complete opposite. He told somebody a personal email. He said, you don't need to wear it if

00:12:18.940 you're not infected. So I think it's really weird that all those emails came out, which showed that

00:12:23.720 all of his knowledge, we won't get into it about Wuhan, and then all his flip-flopping on even on a

00:12:30.000 personal level, unless he's lying to his friend. Yet they still, they took like a week off and then

00:12:36.500 they returned to him as their pundit in chief. It's really weird to me that we just brush all the stuff

00:12:42.380 where he was blatantly lying about under the rug. I want to go over now to...

00:12:46.660 Well, look, they treat him as, I mean, he's the exalted one. He is a medical Jesus. He is the one

00:12:52.520 who's going to save us from COVID, except for the fact that he was helping to fund the lab,

00:12:58.000 except when he wasn't helping to fund the lab or bowing down to Tedros, the WHO, except when he

00:13:03.860 wasn't bowing down to Tedros or even President Xi. Look, how many days in the week are there? We'll tell

00:13:09.440 you how many positions Anthony Fauci has on an issue. Yeah, and I don't want to act like I'm

00:13:14.620 trying to defend him. I did videos on him. I think he's willing to say whatever he needs to say at

00:13:19.860 the time to, you know, make the interview end faster. It's the idea I get from him. I was reading

00:13:25.020 your article from the Washington Times the other day. Actually, I think it just, I think that must

00:13:30.100 have been this morning. And there's a crazy stat in it, and we'll put it up after, but it just kind

00:13:39.060 of blew my mind, and I got into like the math behind it. Your article in the Washington Times,

00:13:42.640 it says 36% of President Biden's voters did not know about the laptop story, Hunter Biden,

00:13:49.320 of course, and at least 4.6% of them said that they would not have voted for him had they known about

00:13:54.940 it. Now, the whole article is about internet censorship, and I think everybody should read it,

00:14:00.200 but I did a little bit of the math, and that's over 3.6 million votes, and that actually swings the

00:14:06.720 popular vote in Trump's favor. Now, take that as you will. You'd have to break down where all those

00:14:11.660 votes are, but we know some people always like to go by, well, he won the popular vote. They love

00:14:16.860 doing that with Hillary. I just think that's a crazy stat. Why do you think, is there a clear-cut

00:14:23.640 answer why they didn't want the Hunter Biden stuff out there? Because it still, to this day, comes out.

00:14:28.520 You see some more hilarious photos or videos. There is that phone call he recorded himself,

00:14:33.300 shirtless in his lap, on his laptop, smoking, I think, meth or crackle. He's on the phone with

00:14:41.240 somebody. Is there a defined, did we find out the defined reason as to why they blocked that on

00:14:48.220 Twitter and everything, or is it just as we think it was, to, you know, just hide it from the voters?

00:14:53.940 Well, I mean, with regard to doing a little meth while you're on a phone call, I mean, who among us?

00:14:58.000 I mean, you know, we're not going to throw some stones here. But look, this was, this is just very

00:15:02.760 blatant. This was an effort where big tech and big media came together to say that they did not want

00:15:09.340 damaging information out prior to an election. And to be clear here, look, I realize that Hunter

00:15:15.820 Biden has had some very serious issues with substance abuse and some other, when you see about

00:15:21.000 his relationship with his father, it's actually pretty, it's pretty sad to see some of it. But

00:15:27.240 here's the, here's the, let's put that aside for a moment. It's the Biden family corruption. It's

00:15:31.720 going back to the swamp. It's going back to the elites. It's going back to the establishment that if

00:15:36.040 you're born into a certain name, that if you've gone to a certain school, that things magically fall

00:15:40.480 your way. It's the exact same reason why President Trump won in 2016, because he was taking on the

00:15:46.040 powers that be. And so, for example, when you look at the Clinton Global Initiative, and the way that

00:15:52.320 that blew back on Crooked Hillary in 2016, you look at the Biden Family Inc, this is a half century of

00:15:59.680 grift, not just from Hunter, but from James and Frank, the president's brothers, who've literally,

00:16:05.600 they've spent the last half century, just making money selling access. And it's, it shows you exactly

00:16:12.920 what's going to, I mean, look now, it's almost as if you could have predicted this. The fact that

00:16:17.720 Hunter Biden is selling his rehab paintings for 500 grand apiece, $500,000 from basically, you know,

00:16:26.340 one hour therapy session that he goes and puts out there, nobody's buying those because they,

00:16:31.420 they just think that it's Picasso reincarnated. They're buying because they think that will help

00:16:37.260 them get access to then the Biden administration. So everything that we thought was going to come true

00:16:42.160 has come true. And that's why big tech and big media sat on that story. They did not want damaging

00:16:48.160 info about Biden Inc, the grifting, the international corruption, the fact that Biden is compromised by

00:16:54.160 everyone from the CCP, to the Ukrainians, to these other countries. And we've never seen something like

00:16:59.700 that before. It's why I titled the op-ed, this is the worst year for censorship in American history.

00:17:05.620 Because what we've seen with whether it's shutting down talk of the Wuhan lab, or shutting down people

00:17:10.080 willing to criticize Fauci or criticizing Joe Biden and Hunter Biden at all, we've never seen

00:17:16.900 censorship, coordinated censorship and political discrimination on this level.

00:17:22.780 The big guy, they call him. No, you can't.

00:17:25.480 10%. 10% for the big guy.

00:17:27.840 People just have to read that stuff. It's the same thing, as I mentioned, with the Fauci emails.

00:17:32.620 Even if you go back to the Podesta emails, if you just read the stuff, you'll have vastly more

00:17:37.680 knowledge on these topics. And you'll be able to predict some of the stuff that's going to happen

00:17:41.860 based on words from their own mouth. So I want to, I want to transition that to Getter.

00:17:47.240 And we, the last time we talked, we talked about some of the features and I want to get to more of

00:17:50.960 those in a bit, but I want to talk about when you first started it. What was like this big,

00:17:56.440 the big idea you had, or the biggest goal you had when you started Getter from the get-go? What did,

00:18:01.540 what was like the first thing you wrote down?

00:18:03.000 First thing I wrote down is number one, free speech. Number two, oppose cancel culture.

00:18:09.500 And that's, those are really the two principles that we started with. And as we, this was before

00:18:13.460 there was any market research or figuring out how many folks might be willing to come to a new

00:18:17.780 platform. It's, you know what, we need to support free speech and oppose cancel culture. It doesn't

00:18:22.960 matter what country you're in. It doesn't matter what political party, what your ideology. Those are

00:18:27.680 really the two founding principles that I think can bring everyone together. Now you fast forward five

00:18:32.320 weeks later, two million users, about half of that's in the U.S., half is around the country.

00:18:38.280 Canada right now is our number four biggest country with regard to a user base. The top

00:18:43.220 three being number one, the U.S., number two, Brazil, about 15%, then Japan and Canada's right 0.89

00:18:49.140 behind. So Canada is going to be a very important partner for us as we talk about growth. Obviously,

00:18:55.640 you look at the users per population, you see we have a very good start with regard to Canada.

00:19:00.400 A couple of features we have just waiting for the app to be approved. We'll have notifications

00:19:05.580 coming soon. Live streaming is right around the corner. The online appreciation, online tipping

00:19:10.720 will be coming up. And so some really cool things coming and great folks have joined this platform.

00:19:16.420 Really excited will be Mike Pompeo and Ben Carson, President Bolsonaro. And I think we have a couple

00:19:22.180 other world leaders that are right at the cusp. We're about ready to hopefully get them on the

00:19:26.600 platform or worldwide political figures. And so it's a fun thing. I never thought that I'd be

00:19:33.080 unifying the world under opposition to big tech. And as I told you last time we had the opportunity

00:19:38.480 to talk, if you're frustrated as an American that three billionaires in Silicon Valley are dictating

00:19:43.980 your free speech rights, imagine if you live outside of the U.S. If you're someone who's in Canada,

00:19:49.360 you're like, wait a minute, why are these three billionaires in Silicon Valley, a different country,

00:19:52.960 tell me what my free speech rights are. It's the same sentiment all around the world. People want

00:19:57.840 their self-determination. They want their political free speech and they're tired of the political

00:20:02.080 censorship. Yeah. And a lot of the stuff I was going to ask you is answered right there. That's

00:20:06.600 really cool. I started on YouTube, I think in 2017 and I watched the algorithm change. I watched the

00:20:14.060 censorship grow and hide my content from viewers. I went from millions a month to thousands a month.

00:20:22.960 And just having been on Getter for, I think, less than a month now, I can tell

00:20:27.720 that it's natural growth. Like people actually see things. So I'm happy about that. I think the tips

00:20:33.280 are a big thing. And I wanted to ask you if you had a plan for who you want to partner with or who

00:20:39.600 you are partnering with for payment processing, because all this stuff that's coming out,

00:20:45.060 we're going down the road now of political bias in payment processing. Do you have any news you can

00:20:52.040 share on that? So that's yes and no. The bottom line is that we actually kind of where this becomes

00:20:59.580 then a profitable entity. Of course, there's the online tipping, the online appreciation,

00:21:05.560 much in the same way that you give bits to someone who's on Twitch. But people used to be able to

00:21:09.800 monetize, for example, their Facebook content, and they're not able to do that anymore. And we see

00:21:14.340 YouTube continually keeps taking people down. We want Getter to be a place where content creators or

00:21:19.740 show hosts, folks like yourself can go and, you know what, I can put up my episode. I can put up

00:21:24.900 my video and not have a fear of it being taken down because someone in Silicon Valley doesn't like

00:21:30.960 that. And so what we're actually working through on the payment side, I met with my chief engineer

00:21:37.660 this morning to go through some of the timelines on these things. But we actually even want to work

00:21:41.840 in GetterPay, a direct competitor to Apple Pay and Alipay. That'll be essentially our own payment

00:21:48.100 system provider. And so that's a little bit further down the road, hopefully not too much further,

00:21:53.680 because as my board members keep saying, we're not running a nonprofit forever. This does need to

00:21:57.220 become a profitable entity at a certain point. But you're right. Every step of the way, I have to

00:22:02.360 think through independence. I have to think through redundancies. I have to make sure that we're not

00:22:06.920 going to be undercut or deplatformed simply because, again, some woke oligarch wakes up and says,

00:22:13.400 eh, these guys are getting a little too big for the britches. Time to deplatform them. 0.98

00:22:17.000 One of the things I like that I was noticing and thinking about the other day about Getter is

00:22:22.000 that when you post, for example, this is just one of the things, for example, you post a link and a

00:22:26.540 video because a lot of the stuff when we promote on here, I post a link to the article and I post a

00:22:31.920 clip from this episode, let's say, and it actually shows both. Twitter doesn't do that. So it'll show

00:22:36.880 you both the video and then it'll have the article underneath. I thought that was just really cool,

00:22:41.220 something I wanted to tell people about. And I also like how fast the videos upload in comparison to

00:22:46.720 especially Parler, which goes super slow, and Twitter, which is still slower than Getter. So maybe

00:22:52.220 that's something people can think about. You covered pretty much anything, any other integrations you

00:22:58.540 want to tell us about that are coming? Or do you think you covered, I think you covered most, like a lot of stuff.

00:23:02.380 I think that's that. And actually, you know, we've gotten some really good feedback from folks. I am and I

00:23:07.120 continue to hound on this. So my poor engineers who I yell at all the time, I do want to get a essentially

00:23:13.880 similar to as we've seen the clubhouse or locker room, the ability for folks to have online audio

00:23:21.740 conversations with each other is essentially an audio chat room. I really like that feature, especially if, say,

00:23:27.420 you're a political figure. Then you want to do the proverbial emergency press conference. You can just

00:23:32.740 hit a button and start talking, then people can pick you up live. I think that's fantastic. I also

00:23:37.540 want to do a little bit more when it comes to some of the coalitions and community building. So people

00:23:41.840 can join different groups, they can be part of different things that they like to follow. And of

00:23:46.860 course, also, I want to get translations in there pretty soon. We're up right now, I think we're in nine

00:23:52.060 or 10 languages I just authorized today to get moving. We'll have Italian added in a couple days,

00:23:57.880 Hungarian, Polish. So we have a number of different languages that are being added. I like interacting

00:24:03.580 with folks from other countries. I like reading news sources from other countries. Having that will

00:24:07.940 really, really give people the ability to follow things that are going outside of their sphere. And

00:24:13.800 again, I think there's this really great synergy with people in different countries and say, you know

00:24:18.560 what, I'm America first, or I'm Canada first, or Brazil first. I believe in my right to self

00:24:23.400 determination. I believe in my country. But you know what, I like to connect with people who are

00:24:27.340 just as prideful about their country and their self determination. And I think in a counterintuitive

00:24:34.120 way, in a way that the media wouldn't have thought, I'm actually seeing a lot more here in the US,

00:24:39.160 a lot more say, mega, make America great again type folks who are now interested in following and

00:24:44.780 learning about people in other countries than maybe ever before. And so I think there's a great

00:24:49.340 way to bring the world together out of this drive for political free speech and self determination.

00:24:54.880 Yeah, it's a really cool platform. I'm glad you're able to share all that stuff for us. And

00:24:58.580 for everybody watching, he does not sponsor this show. I just like the platform. I'm open to it,

00:25:03.400 though. Before I let you go, I want to talk to you about Trump. There's so many questions that come up

00:25:08.240 when we talk about the job that you had. How how do you get approached for a job like that? How do

00:25:14.940 you get approached to say, come on board and and speak directly with the president all the time

00:25:20.140 and give advice to him? How does that happen?

00:25:24.100 So a couple of things here. I initially when President Trump was thinking about running for

00:25:28.360 president in 2012, it was technically in 2011, earlier on that cycle, a former business partner

00:25:35.820 of mine. Actually, I guess at the time he was a current business partner still was friends with

00:25:41.540 Jared Kushner and made the introduction. And so President Trump had won in 2012, then I would have

00:25:47.880 been his campaign manager for the overall campaign. Obviously, he did not run. Mitt Romney ran, lost a

00:25:54.420 race that he easily should have won. But then as President Trump went in 2016, I wasn't sure that he was

00:26:01.400 going to run. Ended up, as I mentioned before, worked with Ted Cruz. Initially, he finished second.

00:26:07.120 And then about a month after that race, then I got a call again from Jared Kushner saying that now

00:26:12.500 President Trump would like to meet with me. He knew me from the campaign trail, didn't really

00:26:16.620 and knew me from years before, but didn't have a close personal relationship. I had worked for Mayor

00:26:21.520 Rudy Giuliani back in 2008 when he ran for president. We didn't do particularly well. I thought I did well

00:26:27.560 on his campaign, but we didn't really win. But so we had some friends in common, some commonality.

00:26:34.400 And when I asked Jared that, and this is a real long answer to your short question,

00:26:39.540 why are you guys calling me? Why are you interested in having me? He said, because you can adapt and

00:26:45.020 you're used to working with larger than life personalities and you know how to take your job

00:26:49.600 serious, but not take yourself too serious. And then he kind of said, well, and we've also tried

00:26:55.140 everybody else and they haven't worked. So now we're at you. So now, so I'm not sure which one

00:26:59.660 it was either way. I'm very appreciative for the opportunity that Jared and then President Trump

00:27:03.520 gave me. I actually spent an hour with President Trump yesterday, working him some more on trying

00:27:08.620 to come over to get her. I think it got a little bit closer, no, no announcements or anything,

00:27:13.040 but I'm, I'm working it. So it is kind of fun when, when you go back in and spend some time with,

00:27:18.140 with President Trump. And so still in very close contact with his team. And obviously I'm going to be a

00:27:24.140 a loyal supporter indefinitely. Do you guys go to dinner? Did you guys go golfing? What'd you guys

00:27:30.200 do? So my, my golf game is a pretty trifling and his is actually pretty good. And so I stay away

00:27:36.640 from that out of, I like to, like Sun Tzu said, fight on terrain. That's good for you. So I went into,

00:27:42.740 I went into his office and just, we just had a one-on-one meeting in his office there in Trump

00:27:46.820 tower on the 26th floor with a similar shot. He's at the other side of central park from where I'm

00:27:53.380 so I have central park back behind me here. And we just spent about an hour, a little bit of catch

00:27:57.240 up stories, a couple of fun things. But I tell you one thing on president Trump, there was no formal

00:28:03.800 declaration or indication. He sounds like somebody who's running again in 2024. That's, that's very

00:28:10.120 much the takeaway that I have in my, my conversation with them. But again, no formal announcement,

00:28:15.480 but boy, he sounds like someone who, who plans on running again.

00:28:18.720 Wow. Okay. Uh, I, I also wanted to ask you, you're in a position, you were in a position to,

00:28:25.060 you know, give advice to the president. Was there any time or any topic where he came to you for

00:28:30.640 advice, advisement? If, when, is there any time or topic where he came to you for advice on something

00:28:37.140 really huge and really crazy? And you're thinking, I can't, wow, I can't believe I'm in this position

00:28:42.160 where I get to advise the president on this. Do you have any story you can share about something like

00:28:45.940 that? Uh, I would say, you know what, on the, uh, I'd say with president Trump, uh, part of,

00:28:52.960 part of the relationship is I would always put ideas up in front of them. Um, and president Trump

00:28:57.900 to his, I think this is one of the things people don't understand, uh, or might not realize is he's

00:29:02.080 actually a very good listener. If you're someone who, if president Trump says, uh, what do you think

00:29:06.200 about saying something in this fashion or taking this course of action? He is open to people disagreeing

00:29:11.120 with him or pushing back as long as you have, uh, as long as you understand what he's trying to

00:29:15.280 accomplish. And you say, here's another way you can effectively accomplish this goal. So there are

00:29:20.700 numerous times where I would offer say, you know, an alternative direction or maybe some pushback,

00:29:25.320 uh, or work with him in plenty of times where he would just say, no, I think your answer is wrong. 0.99

00:29:29.720 Or, you know, this sounds like the stupid Washington way of doing things. Um, and you know, 0.88

00:29:33.940 you just got to smile and okay, well, I, I swing, swing and a miss on that one. Um, but, uh, no,

00:29:38.960 but he, but he is, uh, he's willing to listen. Uh, and he'll, he'll, he'll, he'll, a lot of times

00:29:43.000 he'll take your advice. I would say that the, um, I would say that probably one of the most

00:29:48.880 consequential, uh, conversations where I helped out, uh, was probably the night of January 6th.

00:29:55.540 And as I worked with president Trump and the first lady Melania Trump to craft the, the statement

00:30:00.600 that president Trump put out that evening, uh, after Joe Biden was formally announced as the, uh,

00:30:06.180 the winner of the presidential race when the electoral votes were counted.

00:30:08.960 And I think at the time I realized how big of a, uh, concerning what everything that happened

00:30:14.060 that day, uh, just as big of a, um, a momentous, uh, occasion that was at the time, I realized

00:30:19.660 a little bit, um, that we were at the, uh, that that was a, say a moment for the history

00:30:23.880 books or in president Trump's case, a moment for the three dozen post-presidency books, uh,

00:30:29.000 that seemed to be coming out every week. Um, so that, that was an example of a time where

00:30:33.080 I was kind of right there, but a lot of times on these things, you don't realize how big

00:30:37.020 it is until later. Uh, but you, you can't blink and you can't be shy. Uh, the president

00:30:42.120 Trump's orbit is not one for wallflowers. If you're in the room, you're expected to have

00:30:46.440 an opinion. And if you can't offer an opinion and backup of the reason why, then he probably

00:30:50.620 won't have you back in the room again.

00:30:51.880 I always thought that the Trump team, uh, during the presidency was really good at connecting

00:30:57.540 with influencers. And I don't mean like what they did the other day with this guy in a dress

00:31:02.900 with long nails going to the white house, but I, I mean like actual cool people like

00:31:07.520 Dana White and the UFC fighters. I don't know if you remember the YouTubers, Nelk, who he

00:31:11.980 brought on stage. I think it was in Florida to dance with him. Who was responsible for vetting

00:31:17.500 that sort of stuff? Cause I think they did a really good job while he was in office.

00:31:21.700 Uh, you know what, there are a million different entry points kind of into the, the Trump orbit.

00:31:26.140 Sometimes something might be from the, the OPL, the office of public liaison. Uh, those might

00:31:31.480 be some of the more business people. Uh, Jared Kushner was a frequent, uh, conduit or entry point

00:31:36.820 for say kind of people in the celebrity space. Uh, but you know, if you're someone who the president

00:31:41.580 trusts and, uh, you've brought ideas to him. Uh, so for example, uh, Katrina Pearson, uh,

00:31:47.580 someone who handled a lot of our, a lot of our African-American community outreach. Um,

00:31:52.420 I think she was the one who brought to us, uh, uh, a little pump. One of the rappers that

00:31:57.660 came on stage, uh, during the president's, uh, final speech in Pennsylvania or next to

00:32:02.140 the final speech in Pennsylvania is we're flying around in, in 2020. Uh, if, if president

00:32:06.880 Trump, uh, trust your judgment and thinks that you're going to bring good people into,

00:32:10.440 into the orbit, there are a number of different entry points, but, uh, there's, there's a certain

00:32:14.400 fun factor with president Trump. That's a different people don't view him even today.

00:32:18.660 They don't view him as the politician. Uh, they view, he has his own unique brand and

00:32:22.820 that's so many people from different walks of life. I'll tell you one final thing on this

00:32:26.500 moment. I had an opportunity once it was at our, um, one of our events in Georgia where

00:32:32.120 president Trump was backstage with Herschel Walker. Uh, of course you, the all-star running

00:32:36.500 back, uh, for the, the Georgia Bulldogs in college and the New Jersey generals, uh, for

00:32:41.600 the USFL team, their president Trump owned and then the Cowboys and the, and the Vikings

00:32:45.280 and seeing those two men who've literally been friends for 35 years, just hang out and

00:32:52.180 kind of, uh, shoot the breeze, uh, with each other, uh, talking about football and different

00:32:56.340 things, two completely different walks of life and just watching the way that they, that

00:33:01.020 they would interact. It was literally as if his two college buddies getting back together

00:33:05.320 a few decades later. And, uh, people don't realize that president Trump is very approachable

00:33:10.320 and he's a, he's a human being too. Uh, and he has his friends and he's very loyal. And

00:33:15.040 so watching some of those interactions, uh, were pretty fascinating.

00:33:18.000 Jason, the last thing I want to ask you about, and you've, you've given so much great content

00:33:23.600 already. I'm not sure if you're allowed to talk about this. The leak, the silly leaks

00:33:29.000 that would come out of the, uh, the administration, the ones that were obviously, in my opinion,

00:33:35.960 I'll say we're done on purpose to get, to find out who the person was doing, to find

00:33:42.240 out which person was doing it. One of them that I remember was something about Trump watching

00:33:46.500 a gorilla channel and, and all these sorts of crazy things where I would read the article

00:33:51.800 and I'd be like, come on, like, that's something that you send out to people and you, you send

00:33:55.940 out people different things and you see which one gets out into the media. Was that a big

00:34:00.340 concern, uh, that was going on at the time? And how did that get weeded out? Is it what

00:34:05.820 I think it was, or are you even allowed to talk about that?

00:34:08.480 No, it's a, look, they, I think they call it in spy world, the blue dye test, uh, where

00:34:12.960 you go and dump in the blue dye and see where, where it comes out on the other end. I think

00:34:16.980 early in the administration, uh, that was an issue, not later in the administration. I think

00:34:20.860 by the time the president got to the last year or so of his administration,

00:34:25.380 you really had a good sense of commonality, right? I had a sense of people to come together,

00:34:29.780 kind of a, a focused, uh, point of mission. And look, a lot of it, here's one thing that

00:34:35.020 people don't realize. Sometimes these weren't necessarily intentional leaks, uh, where people

00:34:39.620 trying to quote unquote, take someone out. It'd be one person repeats it to another person

00:34:43.800 who accidentally says it too loud on a, on a Metro bus and somebody else hears it that you'd

00:34:48.720 be surprised sometimes. Or the other thing too, uh, keep in mind that you have in Washington,

00:34:53.980 you have snipers that are shooting at you from angles. You don't even know. So say for example,

00:34:59.020 Peter Navarro, uh, who was the office of, uh, in the office of trade and, uh, in the American

00:35:04.460 worker or by American higher American, rather he asked me once who had pushed a negative story on

00:35:10.180 him. I said, Peter, do you realize that the entire country of China who you're pushing for tariffs on

00:35:16.460 has a reason to be upset with you? Literally a country of 1.4 billion people, uh, who are that

00:35:22.040 motivated? And if you have that country like that, of course they have business interests here.

00:35:26.000 There are corporations you've never even heard of Peter who, uh, who are going to look to try to,

00:35:30.620 uh, push negative stories on you or try to beat you up just because of a business interest or some

00:35:35.420 kind. And so, uh, again, that wasn't, uh, you know, Peter was asking me if, was there someone else

00:35:39.920 in the administration trying to take aim at them? I go, Peter, you have entire countries who are upset

00:35:44.360 with you. Um, don't think of it's, you know, some jabroni, uh, deputy assistant secretary

00:35:49.300 to the nobody down in the basement. Uh, it could be, you know, a big powerful player with billions

00:35:54.080 of capital behind them. It's crazy. The stuff you must've had to deal with. And, uh, I think you

00:35:59.780 guys did a great job with that not to be a, you know, a bud kisser, but like, like I said, with the,

00:36:04.460 the influencers and just the, the whole feel of it, I think was just what so many people latched onto

00:36:12.220 whether it was Dana White, YouTube influencers, UFC fighters who were against communism, that sort of

00:36:17.920 thing. Thanks a lot, Jason. Thanks for the inside information and all the stuff on Getter. Is there

00:36:22.320 anything else you want to say before we let you go? No, thank you very much. Appreciate your being

00:36:26.640 on Getter. Look forward to continuing to push and promote what you guys are doing. Some exciting new

00:36:30.940 features that are coming soon. Uh, look forward to also, uh, now that, uh, um, uh, now that Americans

00:36:37.700 are being allowed back into Canada, uh, or at least that's what the announcement I saw this week,

00:36:42.020 I hope to be up to, to visit soon. Uh, we have a lot of great supporters, a lot of great allies,

00:36:46.580 um, in Canada. In fact, one of my favorite, uh, mission is great, uh, which is a great Getter

00:36:51.940 account. Uh, my friend Doug, uh, he's a good follow on Getter. Uh, so we have, we have some,

00:36:56.740 uh, uh, some really cool Canadian supporters, uh, and just, uh, keep on growing and expanding.

00:37:02.060 Yeah. If you come to Toronto, come to the studio, we'll give you all the free snacks that Rebel News

00:37:06.400 has to offer. It's a big selling point of this office. Thanks a lot, Jason. Go to Getter.com,

00:37:11.100 you guys. And of course, read his article that we mentioned there in Washington Times.

00:37:16.240 Thanks a lot, Jason. Thanks again.

Rebel News Podcast - August 13, 2021

ANDREW CHAPADOS ｜ Jason Miller： How to give Trump advice

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