Rebel News Podcast - ANDREW CHAPADOS ｜ ‘Who is paying you？!’ Bryson Gray vs Chivona Newsome (BLM)

00:00:00.000 Sivana Newsome is a political activist and co-founder of BLM Greater New York,

00:00:10.620 notably spearheading protests against the Brooklyn Nets for their treatment of Kyrie Irving.

00:00:14.720 He didn't get vaccinated, by the way.

00:00:16.800 And leading the battle in New York against vaccine mandates,

00:00:19.320 Bryson Gray is a number one Billboard charting artist with hit songs like Let's Go Brandon

00:00:23.060 and Controlled shooting to the top of iTunes and Amazon Music charts.

00:00:26.960 He's also had his songs banned for medical misinformation multiple times.

00:00:31.640 And as the artist best noted, is having a song removed from Spotify.

00:00:35.680 Thanks, you guys. How are you doing? Thanks for joining me.

00:00:40.480 Hi, Andrew. Thanks for having us.

00:00:43.340 Thanks for having me, bro. You already know.

00:00:46.080 I'm excited for this, you guys.

00:00:48.440 Say whatever you want. We're not going to censor this.

00:00:51.220 We're not going to cut you guys off. It's going to be simple.

00:00:53.220 I'll ask a question to one of you, give your answer,

00:00:55.620 and the other one will get a chance to make a rebuttal to the question.

00:00:58.460 If you disagree, jump in whenever you'd like,

00:01:00.260 but let's try our best to not talk over each other.

00:01:02.560 If you agree on something, maybe that's a good thing.

00:01:04.460 I don't know if that's going to happen.

00:01:05.820 And at the end, we'll give you both a chance to give a closing statement on culture,

00:01:09.100 politics, the state of America, basically whatever you'd like.

00:01:12.600 So, Siobhan, I want to start with you and talk about the summer of 2020.

00:01:16.120 It saw both peaceful protests and rioting, I think most people would say,

00:01:19.860 under the BLM banner, not saying it was you.

00:01:22.260 But was the property damage and violence of these protests justified, in your opinion?

00:01:30.600 It's absolutely the American way.

00:01:33.160 I think that people forget that Black people are American.

00:01:36.640 The Boston Tea Party, it wasn't a party.

00:01:39.840 Every single race that Americans have gained from the foundation of this country

00:01:43.540 has been rooted in violence.

00:01:45.700 So it led to great legislative change,

00:01:48.180 and it's worth the conversation to the table.

00:01:50.840 We can't deny and ignore racism.

00:01:55.160 Bryson, how do you feel about that?

00:01:56.820 Do you think it was a justified thing?

00:01:59.440 First thing first, I noticed she didn't even answer the question about if it was justified or not.

00:02:03.200 She claimed it to be the American way.

00:02:06.000 No, it's not justified to kill people, to riot.

00:02:09.100 I'm not saying all of it was just going on,

00:02:11.520 but people that get mad at the January 6th riots don't understand that these Black Lives Matter riots,

00:02:16.640 we saw people on video dying, being beat to death for no reason.

00:02:21.180 The difference is these people that they are killing are literally innocent,

00:02:24.780 just protecting their jobs.

00:02:26.000 Matter of fact, a lot of these companies have Black Lives Matter signs to support Black Lives Matter

00:02:30.920 on their companies, and they still got looted.

00:02:33.080 They still got attacked.

00:02:33.920 They still got killed.

00:02:35.100 None of that is justifiable.

00:02:36.260 I don't care what the reasoning is.

00:02:37.720 I think that you made the point that you are paid to make. 0.86

00:02:43.760 You're political whoring, just like people like Candace Owens. 0.96

00:02:47.340 It absolutely is the American way.

00:02:49.560 What hasn't been gotten by bloodshed in this country?

00:02:52.780 Because it's Black people, we're supposed to sing and dance? 0.92

00:02:55.620 You have to be kidding me. 0.87

00:02:56.960 If you want to go off the Constitution, off the Bible, everything has been achieved by war. 0.99

00:03:02.260 Black people are beaten, killed, and living oppression in this country,

00:03:05.780 and we're supposed to sit back and take it, who's coming to save us? 0.98

00:03:09.040 It's not the Democratic Party, and it's sure not the Republican Party, 0.80

00:03:11.960 who a lot of Black folks are capitalizing on, chucking and jiving for. 1.00

00:03:17.000 I'm willing to bet you that between me and you, only one of us is getting paid to say anything, 0.56

00:03:22.000 and everybody knows it isn't me.

00:03:24.520 Then the second thing you said is we've been oppressed and beat and things like that in this country.

00:03:29.260 Not you, though.

00:03:30.300 I'm almost willing to bet my entire bank account that you have not been beaten or anything

00:03:34.720 or oppressed in really any way, shape, or form.

00:03:37.060 Matter of fact...

00:03:37.600 September 2020, I'm still suffering back change from the NYPD,

00:03:41.700 who you guys go around and quote law and order from.

00:03:44.180 I was beaten by four officers, unarmed.

00:03:47.200 That's what happened.

00:03:47.940 And aren't you a man from the South?

00:03:49.320 I just came back from there for fighting for justice for Jason Walker,

00:03:53.040 an unarmed Black man who was murdered by an off-duty cop,

00:03:55.960 and you're used to seeing Confederate flags.

00:03:57.880 So before you traded in being a liberal for this paid conservative,

00:04:03.060 like, it's really clown-like to show up places with large hats to garner attention.

00:04:07.520 You're doing it for money.

00:04:08.620 Say that.

00:04:09.400 Tell people why you shuck and jive.

00:04:11.260 And then you say you're a conservative Christian.

00:04:13.360 What is it for a man to profit the whole world and to lose his soul?

00:04:17.900 Please explain that to me.

00:04:19.620 Can you answer that?

00:04:20.680 So once again, I'm assuming it's because you're a woman. 0.98

00:04:23.260 I understand you're emotional.

00:04:24.880 But what I'm starting to see is you have...

00:04:25.880 I'm never emotional.

00:04:26.700 I ran three companies.

00:04:28.640 I'm not sitting from my bedroom shucking and jiving for the white man.

00:04:32.540 Google me.

00:04:34.220 As I said, as you interrupted me, I understand that you are emotional,

00:04:38.620 so you're going to keep attacking rather than making me...

00:04:40.800 I'm not emotional.

00:04:41.140 If you keep saying that, because that's patriarchy.

00:04:43.940 That's what I'm here to smash.

00:04:45.440 You will not call me emotional.

00:04:47.240 I've owned too many companies, and I am too smart of a business mind.

00:04:51.040 But please keep going if you actually have a point.

00:04:53.480 Yeah, as you brag about yourself, if I could continue this time, I understand this.

00:04:59.620 So I understand that you don't have any real arguments that you're going to attack my character as per se,

00:05:04.100 but everybody that knows me knows I'm the person who can pay the lease.

00:05:06.660 That's why I'm actually censored.

00:05:08.120 That's why I actually can't do certain things.

00:05:09.640 If I was doing this for money, then obviously I would be really shucking and jiving, as you would say.

00:05:14.340 But what's really shucking...

00:05:15.160 But, Dad, you sold out your own people, and you worship Donald Trump, who dog whistles to the Proud Boys,

00:05:21.640 and you're not making a profit.

00:05:23.580 Shout out to the PBs.

00:05:24.920 You need to call Al Sharpton.

00:05:27.280 You need to call.

00:05:28.440 You need to call Kevin Owens because you fail it.

00:05:31.420 So what are you doing it for?

00:05:32.720 Attention?

00:05:33.500 If it's not money?

00:05:34.420 Because I can't conceive why someone who claims to have been a liberal, which I am not,

00:05:38.360 because I'm a student of Malcolm X, I know how both the Democrats and Republicans betray my people.

00:05:44.540 What's led you to this point?

00:05:46.720 Make me understand, because right now it seems like you're just tap dancing for attention and not profit.

00:05:51.900 I don't get...

00:05:52.280 Bryson, sorry, Shyvana.

00:05:54.080 Bryson, you want to answer that?

00:05:55.780 And then, Shyvana, you can have one more rebuttal to that, and then we'll get to the next question, okay?

00:06:01.020 Oh, she had a few rebuttals, but it's okay.

00:06:02.820 I'm used to this.

00:06:04.420 So the issue here is nobody sold out to anybody.

00:06:07.380 What you're saying doesn't make any sense.

00:06:09.360 You're trying to pivot because you can't really logically explain any of your positions.

00:06:14.500 So when I actually...

00:06:14.980 I can logically explain all of my positions.

00:06:17.640 If you look at the seven pieces of legislation I've gotten passed in the last year,

00:06:22.360 if you go to blackopportunities.com, it will explain that.

00:06:25.760 You have no justification as to why you're making a mockery of yourself as a strong Black man for nothing.

00:06:31.460 So don't just credit my work.

00:06:33.000 Don't just credit the work of the ancestors who came before me, because there's always going to be housing growth.

00:06:37.960 There's always going to be cool.

00:06:39.240 But I thought, when I Googled you and I seen you on Billboards, I thought you were at least making a profit.

00:06:44.520 What are you excited about?

00:06:45.560 A tweet from Donald Trump?

00:06:46.800 The tweet that I received from Donald Trump took me into hiding.

00:06:50.040 Makes me ride around in an armored car in a bulletproof vest.

00:06:53.760 Because he sent the people who you entertain after me.

00:06:57.360 This is why I train.

00:06:58.760 This is why I do MMA.

00:07:00.140 And I'm actually very much 2A all the way.

00:07:03.660 So I don't get what point you're coming from at that position.

00:07:06.720 Because you have enough.

00:07:08.040 Well, yeah.

00:07:08.640 Unfortunately, you're proving my point.

00:07:10.060 And obviously, you don't know who you're talking to.

00:07:11.900 So the FBI came to my parents' house to try to attack me.

00:07:15.440 Didn't even know where I live, by the way.

00:07:17.040 Nancy Pelosi picked me on her government hit list. 0.99

00:07:19.500 I don't think you did a good enough research on me, which is why you're trying to come across as attacking me.

00:07:23.680 But I don't think you just...

00:07:24.860 What was attacking me, bro?

00:07:25.660 I'm just trying to understand. 1.00

00:07:27.100 Tell me why you made this shit. 1.00

00:07:28.800 Hey, Andrew. 1.00

00:07:29.600 Andrew.

00:07:30.160 Andrew.

00:07:30.820 Move to the next question, because she's going to keep repeating the same thing and brag about herself. 0.97

00:07:34.360 I own seven companies.

00:07:35.660 I'm a strong black woman.

00:07:37.400 You know me.

00:07:38.000 Actually, I didn't say a strong black woman, because that's what you do to tear away from my argument. 1.00

00:07:42.780 You have to say that I'm a black woman.

00:07:43.740 You haven't had an argument.

00:07:44.560 You have to point out the fact that I've had tons of arguments.

00:07:47.260 I mean, maybe you're not able to comprehend them.

00:07:49.860 I don't get it.

00:07:50.580 You sing and dance for a living.

00:07:52.000 So why would I expect you to understand?

00:07:55.680 Women are so funny. 1.00

00:07:56.640 Andrew, you could do better.

00:07:57.680 I don't mean to cut you off.

00:07:58.480 I need somebody with a law degree or something.

00:08:00.560 Oh, women are so funny. 1.00

00:08:01.660 We've got to get to the next question.

00:08:03.200 Okay, thank you.

00:08:03.840 My next question for Bryson, we'll start with, are black Americans at an inherent disadvantage in America compared to other races?

00:08:13.140 Yes or no, and of course, why?

00:08:14.700 Go ahead.

00:08:16.000 No, and I'm explaining this very simply.

00:08:17.960 Why no?

00:08:18.860 You have people that come over here with darker skin tones than us from Nigeria, and you see the numbers they're doing is better.

00:08:25.940 They even almost have a higher median household income than white people in this country.

00:08:29.960 So they come over here and have an easy way to success, and they come here and actually grind.

00:08:34.300 If you know any Nigerian people in America or know a lot of the families, they come here and grind. 1.00

00:08:39.100 They don't play no games.

00:08:39.880 They try to start businesses.

00:08:40.900 They work their butts off.

00:08:42.300 They invest in themselves.

00:08:43.980 The crime rate amongst Nigerians is lower.

00:08:48.220 Everything is, the homelessness rate is lower.

00:08:50.940 The drug abuse rate is lower.

00:08:52.400 The gaming rate is lower amongst Nigerians in this country.

00:08:55.400 So if Nigerians can do it, I don't see how we can't do it.

00:08:58.180 Also, the reason why that doesn't make sense is because once upon a time, our economic success was surpassing white people in this country.

00:09:05.440 That was before even Jim Crow.

00:09:07.460 So if you're going to, and of course, he's probably going to bring up, oh, black Wall Street, things of that nature. 0.77

00:09:11.300 I don't know, so I don't want to assume, but that's what a lot of people usually bring up.

00:09:14.580 That can't really be a good excuse because if we already had a point in this country where we were doing well, we wasn't relying on the government, we had economic success, then how can you say it's inherent?

00:09:23.620 Havana, are black people in America, black American-born citizens at a disadvantage compared to other races?

00:09:31.140 I see that Bryson chose to talk about Nigerians or any other immigrants, my people being a foundational black American, we were imported here as a commodity, as slaves and as workers.

00:09:44.400 And if we look at any statistics for black people in America, descendants of slaves, we see a negative wealth gap.

00:09:51.320 We see a disparity in health care. 0.79

00:09:53.120 Statistics and data actually proves that it's much harder to be a black person in this country.

00:09:58.780 If you talk about redlining, since he wanted to talk about immigrants coming to this country, the government made it so that people coming to this country who were immigrants could actually get a house that they couldn't carry on that wealth. 0.93

00:10:10.220 The way that we achieve wealth in America is generational wealth.

00:10:13.280 As we see in a lot of people under the white Banneker immigrants who came to this country who actually didn't build America, what we see with them is they got life insurance policies and they were able to pass that along. 0.95

00:10:23.720 Our school system is failing, and I love that people love to talk about black-on-black crime or crime statistics, but as you see anywhere that there is a high rate of unemployment, there's a high rate of murder.

00:10:34.940 And statistically, black people have higher unemployment rates.

00:10:38.020 And I love the fact that you brought up Tulsa, actually did a 3,000-person armed march there to commemorate the 100-year anniversary.

00:10:45.580 And you see anywhere that black people were thriving, there have been roadblocks and obstacles put in the way that no other race has had to experience.

00:10:53.860 That's why the black experience is so unique to this country.

00:10:57.320 That's why we are disproportionately taken advantage of, and that's why systemic oppression and racism do exist.

00:11:03.220 These are all facts.

00:11:04.240 This isn't my emotional female opinion.

00:11:06.500 I'm not in my menstrual cycle.

00:11:08.380 This is an easy Google search.

00:11:10.320 So, unfortunately, she just conceded to the point, if you play what she said, that black people were thriving in this country.

00:11:17.820 And then, obviously, she brought up what happened to Tulsa.

00:11:19.120 And white America destroyed it with the crack at the epidemic.

00:11:22.720 They destroyed it with welfare, where they helped the farmers, but black families couldn't stay together. 1.00

00:11:27.520 Black men, you know this information.

00:11:29.880 All that I'm saying is truly a fact.

00:11:32.400 So, there's nothing to argue about.

00:11:33.960 Tell me the wealth gap.

00:11:35.140 Tell me how much black people have in this country. 1.00

00:11:37.340 Tell me about, since you wanted to talk about being a black woman, why is it that for the same education and the same work experience, I only get paid 63 cents on the dollar? 0.99

00:11:46.160 But I have every single opportunity here in this country.

00:11:49.140 Get out of here.

00:11:50.240 Let me try to finish this time, as I let you finish every time. 0.76

00:11:53.340 So, as I said, she already conceded to the point that black people were thriving.

00:11:56.300 Then, obviously, she brought up the Tulsa situation, which is one situation.

00:12:00.180 Then, she just brought up welfare, which I found interesting.

00:12:02.900 But the thing about welfare is people was lined up for it. 0.96

00:12:05.280 The government promoted it to black folk, and black folk ate it on up. 1.00

00:12:08.860 And that's the issue. 0.59

00:12:10.400 We have a lower percentage in this country.

00:12:12.320 So, when we start lining up for things like that, it obviously is going to affect us in a negative way.

00:12:15.740 But she acknowledged that we were thriving in this country.

00:12:18.660 We were thriving.

00:12:19.620 Exactly.

00:12:20.380 We agree on that.

00:12:21.440 I agree with you.

00:12:22.020 We were absolutely worth thriving.

00:12:23.980 And there were systems put into place to take away our wealth.

00:12:28.060 We had land in this country. 0.98

00:12:29.500 Now, black people own nothing. 1.00

00:12:31.000 It wasn't like we collectively got up and decided to be lazy, because remember, we were 0.96

00:12:34.760 the best and hardest workers when we worked for free and shut up and sang about it.

00:12:39.280 Like, come on. 1.00

00:12:39.760 The Democratic Party has destroyed black folks. 0.98

00:12:42.740 I don't believe in welfare. 0.98

00:12:44.240 I don't believe in the crutch.

00:12:45.680 I am not your liberal or your progressive.

00:12:48.120 I believe in black empowerment.

00:12:49.860 That's why I've created other organizations, Black Opportunity, which is about taking care of

00:12:55.180 ourselves.

00:12:56.060 No one is coming to save us.

00:12:58.020 Andrew can tell you this, because I've been on here.

00:12:59.700 I don't, I'm not a puppet for the DNC.

00:13:02.300 It doesn't happen.

00:13:03.320 I pull out both when they're putting my black people's lives and liberty in jeopardy. 0.92

00:13:08.720 Well, you already told me you aren't a liberal, so I never brought up you being a liberal.

00:13:12.240 The only point I brought up the welfare situation is because it's not like welfare was forced

00:13:16.020 on us.

00:13:16.520 It was wrapped up in a nice little boat, and the government pushed hard for it the same

00:13:20.300 way they're doing these vaccines.

00:13:22.000 I'm sure me, you can agree on that.

00:13:24.540 And unfortunately, a lot of people took the bait. 0.87

00:13:27.080 When they took the bait, that's what led to the destruction of the black community. 1.00

00:13:31.060 You know, there were times the black community, my grandmother was a black panther. 1.00

00:13:34.500 There was times the black panthers used to go to even poor white neighborhoods and feed

00:13:38.860 them.

00:13:39.860 The black panthers, even though a lot of them were communists, but just on a social level, 0.57

00:13:44.680 they were pro-black, but they were trying to help.

00:13:46.420 This is where WIC came from.

00:13:47.680 We agree on this.

00:13:48.660 This is how the government system came.

00:13:50.440 And this is where we model our organization after it, but they have to create and paint

00:13:54.620 us as these crazy, angry people burning down buildings.

00:13:58.660 But even say during the deep freeze in Texas that happened early last year, it was poor 0.99

00:14:03.700 white folk living next to poor black folk. 0.98

00:14:05.940 As a Christian, I can't say, hey, you're white and not get a plate. 1.00

00:14:10.140 Black folk and black people, we just aren't that type. 0.97

00:14:13.100 So I'm happy that we can find things we can agree on and some things we're going to go to 0.96

00:14:16.740 blows over. 0.99

00:14:17.480 But hell yeah, this government and this system has been created to oppress black people. 0.99

00:14:21.900 So you are actually conceding to the point of the disadvantage of the black person in 0.99

00:14:26.000 America.

00:14:26.640 No.

00:14:27.280 So we agree on what's happening, but we don't agree on the issue.

00:14:31.580 And what I mean by that is the issue is what the government is doing, is pushing at the

00:14:36.000 people.

00:14:36.480 And by the way, there's more white people on welfare, of course, by individual number,

00:14:41.080 but we have a lower percentage.

00:14:42.080 Of course.

00:14:42.320 But my face and a black woman's face is opposed to good welfare. 1.00

00:14:45.280 Yes.

00:14:45.600 Of course.

00:14:45.880 Correct.

00:14:46.120 So what I'm saying, though, is that we took the bait.

00:14:51.440 That's the part.

00:14:52.260 That's the part I have an issue with, is that we took the bait.

00:14:54.960 Because a lot of the pro-black leaders of that time were speaking against the welfare

00:14:58.720 system.

00:14:59.440 So it's not like we didn't have people fighting against it, telling you not to do 1.00

00:15:02.440 this crap. 0.98

00:15:02.800 Like now, there's always going to be some crazy folks standing up who get shadow banned, who 1.00

00:15:07.400 get censored, who get blocked, all these things, who get harassed by telling the truth.

00:15:12.800 This is the price you pay for being a truth seeker.

00:15:14.960 But when you think about it, and people are going to say, oh, I'm pushing segregation, right?

00:15:18.460 I want to go back to the 08.

00:15:20.180 Even Martin Luther King, before he died, said that we were running into a burning house.

00:15:25.280 It's like, how has it helped us wanting to be with white people instead of concentrating 0.81

00:15:29.920 on our wealth?

00:15:30.940 It's that when we beg to go sit at our counters, we forgot about Papa Joe, who had been feeding

00:15:35.620 us, who was like us in our own community.

00:15:37.720 I think the only way the black people are going to do it is if we come together collectively,

00:15:42.360 if we pool our resources, and we stop waiting on someone to save us, whether it's the PPP

00:15:46.960 money, the welfare system, you'll never hear a black revolutionary preaching for any of 0.92

00:15:52.140 those things.

00:15:52.960 Correct.

00:15:53.480 You never heard Marcus Garvey doing it.

00:15:54.800 You never heard Malcolm X doing it.

00:15:56.000 But I do have one more question, though, Andrew, before you start. 0.89

00:15:58.020 Do you think that black people deserve some of the blame for taking the bait?

00:16:03.480 Because the reason we're in this position, because even back then, they used to go into 0.91

00:16:07.360 the house to make sure there was no man in there for you to continue to receive the benefits 0.52

00:16:11.860 from the government.

00:16:12.640 And of course, you know that.

00:16:13.920 So my question is, do you think we deserve any of the blame for taking the bait?

00:16:19.140 A starving man, unfortunately, is going to take bread.

00:16:23.860 I'm sure people reached out to you as they've reached out to me regarding the vaccine.

00:16:28.160 And I have people who feel they were betrayed by God.

00:16:30.680 They betrayed God.

00:16:31.700 They betrayed these things because they went ahead and got the vaccine because that was the

00:16:35.340 way they fed our family.

00:16:36.280 I don't blame our people.

00:16:38.100 If you needed to eat and welfare and food stamps was the only way that you're starving babies

00:16:42.400 to eat, I'm not going to hold that against you if that was the bait being dangling.

00:16:46.960 Do I blame us for not waking up?

00:16:48.920 Do I blame more people for not joining this idea and taking to the streets, hiring people,

00:16:53.680 electing people who believe in them, voting more so than down the line, which has gotten

00:16:59.880 us nothing in the past five or so decades?

00:17:02.940 I don't blame us.

00:17:04.540 It makes me angry.

00:17:05.380 It makes me very frustrated.

00:17:07.120 But if I was starving and I had to feed my proverbial children, I would.

00:17:12.000 Okay.

00:17:12.300 So I guess that's just where we're going to have to agree to disagree there.

00:17:16.420 All right.

00:17:16.860 I'll jump in now.

00:17:17.560 But you can't understand why they chose to do it, though, right?

00:17:20.200 I don't think that you can understand if you couldn't feed your children why you would

00:17:24.540 take some sort of aid.

00:17:25.980 Now, the problem is where I do put the blame on us is welfare is not generational, okay?

00:17:33.660 Like, if you lost your job, things were bad for a year or two, so be it, economic crisis

00:17:38.980 come.

00:17:39.640 Yeah, you're supposed to take that and then move on to the next level.

00:17:42.740 We should not be inheriting housing project, apartments, or your grandma's on aid and you're

00:17:48.900 on aid.

00:17:49.560 I absolutely do not agree with that.

00:17:51.540 That's why we are creating STEM programs and programs to help single mothers and people 0.95

00:17:55.900 and formerly incarcerated people so we can break the cycle.

00:17:59.480 But that comes with Black people helping ourselves.

00:18:01.360 So the reason I don't understand why they took the bait is because during the time when

00:18:06.700 full-scale, I'm going to call it full-scale welfare for now because we know smaller forms

00:18:10.400 of welfare was presented earlier, but when full-scale welfare was presented, we had more

00:18:14.860 of a sense of community in the Black community, so I feel like people would have helped each

00:18:17.840 other more back then.

00:18:19.380 Also, economically, we weren't that bad out of time where we had to take it.

00:18:23.400 I think the way they, during those times, the way they wrapped it in a nice bone, the package

00:18:27.820 they sold it to us was just so enticing that we took the bait.

00:18:32.300 So I understand why.

00:18:33.400 I want to say why.

00:18:34.020 People haven't changed.

00:18:35.560 If you look at the media and the tools of the media, it'll have you loving the oppressor

00:18:40.340 and hating the oppressor.

00:18:41.620 Look at the way that everything has been packaged that's from the vaccines to tax credits to inflation

00:18:47.080 to every single thing.

00:18:48.760 So I don't want to say we're more woke than our ancestors because it was people screaming

00:18:52.580 just like you and me, but imagine if that's what you're being fed.

00:18:56.320 Like, most people don't even know why they're voting or who they're voting for, what they

00:19:00.120 stand for.

00:19:01.100 So I don't really blame people for being ignorant, but it's our job to try to wake them up.

00:19:07.220 Yes, I'm going to jump in.

00:19:08.860 All right, all right, all right.

00:19:09.700 I got to jump in.

00:19:10.360 We're agreeing too much.

00:19:11.340 That's a problem.

00:19:13.000 Pardon me?

00:19:14.720 I said we're agreeing too much.

00:19:16.640 Oh, okay.

00:19:17.260 Yeah, I can't let it go on.

00:19:18.260 No, I just want to move on to different topics.

00:19:20.220 We can't have you guys debating.

00:19:21.680 This is not what was supposed to happen.

00:19:23.820 Shavonna, this one's going to be directed at you. 0.99

00:19:25.900 We're seeing a lot from the Democratic government, the Joe Biden administration right now, talk

00:19:30.120 about, you know, the Russian and the Ukrainian border.

00:19:32.760 We have to have sovereignty on the Ukrainian border.

00:19:34.860 It's confusing a lot of people compared to how the American-Mexico border is treated.

00:19:39.880 The question is, do you think black communities are hurt by illegal immigration more so than

00:19:45.260 other communities or at all, maybe?

00:19:46.980 Um, no, I'm not going to say that because people who come here and whatever reasons they migrated

00:19:54.640 to America for, we pointed out the Nigerian population coming here to work hard.

00:19:59.620 I think there's enough resources in America for people who are seeking to work.

00:20:04.820 Uh, that's why I fight so hard to break down the racist barriers that keep us from owning

00:20:09.600 property.

00:20:10.120 They keep us from having financial stability.

00:20:12.740 I do not blame them.

00:20:13.980 Do I think it's hypocritical of the American government to go around spreading democracy

00:20:18.100 and the way that it treats black people, the way that the voting rights bill did not pass?

00:20:23.200 Um, I think it's hypocritical, but we're doing, with inflation rate and everything that's

00:20:27.540 happening, this war, I know I'm going to be super censored now, um, it's a distraction.

00:20:32.940 Um, we have no business being over there, but we know that war is profitable and Americans 1.00

00:20:38.640 tend to, well, some Americans, usually the 1%, tend to thrive when blood is on the street.

00:20:43.540 Um, it's above my pay grade, my clearance to know why we are inserting ourselves into that.

00:20:49.320 But, um, we have real big problems here in America.

00:20:52.240 The homelessness is a crisis.

00:20:53.900 The eviction memoratorium is ending in places.

00:20:56.380 We had children in cages.

00:20:57.880 I don't know if they still are.

00:20:58.880 I won't sit here and lie for a bleeding heart type of a thing, but America needs to take

00:21:03.280 care of home first.

00:21:04.900 I'm not sure the, uh, YouTube sensors have caught up to the Ukraine-Russian debate yet.

00:21:09.540 They'll probably get there soon.

00:21:10.760 But Bryson, the question to you is, are, does illegal immigration hurt black communities?

00:21:16.820 Yeah.

00:21:17.260 And it's not just black communities.

00:21:18.800 It's, it's, it's, it's lower cup communities, period. 1.00

00:21:20.860 Cause that, those are the jobs they're going to take.

00:21:22.880 I mean, it's, it's actually quite simple, but they're going to come here.

00:21:25.160 They're going to work.

00:21:25.860 They're usually going to work at the, at the same job with the warehouses.

00:21:29.340 I know I used to work in warehouses and you see a lot, a lot, a lot of people who couldn't

00:21:33.540 speak English in them.

00:21:34.380 And I worked at three separate ones, separate ones.

00:21:36.320 These are the same things.

00:21:37.460 Matter of fact, I worked at a fiberglass fiberglass plant called PPG.

00:21:40.760 And it was a lot of them in there too.

00:21:42.540 Those are the jobs they're going to get.

00:21:43.980 They come over here.

00:21:44.700 They're illegal immigrants. 0.99

00:21:45.640 It's not like they're coming over here already rich, but those are the jobs they're going

00:21:48.300 to get.

00:21:48.640 And it's not just black people. 0.97

00:21:49.760 It's poor white people, uh, poor legal immigrants that came here and it's just poor people, period. 0.96

00:21:54.240 But yes, unfortunately a large percentage of black people, uh, will be affected by that.

00:21:58.980 So I don't, I don't even think there's any numbers to combat that.

00:22:02.280 Um, I, I just shoot not to agree.

00:22:09.620 I think that we have enough education, we have enough healthcare, we have enough resources

00:22:14.780 to put people on a path.

00:22:16.480 When we think about second generation immigrants, um, I think that we should remember black people

00:22:22.000 when we talk about the things that immigrants do get in this country, when we talk about

00:22:26.380 the advances that non-white people have, uh, those came off the struggles in the backs 0.74

00:22:31.240 of black people who do what I do, who fight for freedom, who fight for legislation and

00:22:36.000 who fight for liberation.

00:22:39.180 Bryson, is that the same as illegal immigration though?

00:22:43.040 What do you mean?

00:22:44.780 I think Siobhan is talking about, you know, legal immigrants, if I'm not mistaken, Siobhan.

00:22:52.000 Yeah.

00:22:52.640 I don't really, I don't think anyone's illegal.

00:22:55.200 Um, I think that we, America, since we're going to get into it and talk about it, America 0.82

00:22:59.420 is racist as hell when it comes to its immigration policies. 0.99

00:23:02.380 When you look at when Donald Trump banned nine nations, about four or five of them are black. 0.99

00:23:07.220 America has a huge problem when black and brown people come here, but you never see 1.00

00:23:11.300 poor European neighborhoods where people with white skin getting raided. 0.89

00:23:15.120 I would love if America had equality across the board for their immigration policy, but,

00:23:20.620 um, we don't see that.

00:23:21.800 We see people who are dark migrants, uh, treated horribly by this country.

00:23:29.040 Yeah.

00:23:29.480 So, um, yeah, I disagree.

00:23:31.560 People are based on the laws, just like many other countries have laws, just like Mexico

00:23:35.540 has laws.

00:23:36.360 If you, if you, if you have, if you go, if you try to go to Mexico illegally, you can

00:23:39.520 go to jail for three years.

00:23:40.560 Just people, you have to protect your borders.

00:23:42.520 Most countries understand that across the, across the globe is common sense, really.

00:23:46.200 Um, so obviously, I think the issue is, cause I'm bad with this, you know, I'm gonna chop 0.56

00:23:50.320 in and cut you off. 0.84

00:23:51.140 We'll just piggyback, right?

00:23:52.500 Um, America was founded, right?

00:23:55.520 This country was supposed to be founded off of people coming through Ellis Island, fleeing 0.99

00:24:01.400 religious persecution, uh, looking for new, new resources, all these things.

00:24:07.200 But now that's no longer the policy.

00:24:10.400 Like since when that's how all these people were currently in power, these white folks, because 0.98

00:24:15.520 they're, they're not indigenous and they were not bought here as slaves.

00:24:18.680 So they, their families came over here seeking a better opportunity, but now we're going

00:24:23.360 to deny other people because you know what?

00:24:25.760 Hey, we came over here.

00:24:26.680 We settled first.

00:24:27.700 Things are going well for us.

00:24:29.200 We don't want y'all to mess up the economy.

00:24:31.340 It's kind of, it's contradicting.

00:24:34.000 So I like how you brought the religious persecution because even a lot of conservatives don't realize

00:24:37.800 that the American revolution was in large part, a religious war.

00:24:41.140 A lot of people think it was only about taxes, which is just simply ignorance.

00:24:44.600 So I'm glad you mentioned that, but nonetheless, countries have borders, countries have to

00:24:48.800 protect their borders across the globe.

00:24:50.500 This is not just an American thing.

00:24:51.700 So it can't be, I don't know how you can view it as racist if it's happening in countries

00:24:55.840 of color.

00:24:56.720 I mean, you know, I call racism, racism, like anywhere there's injustice against black people

00:25:02.480 I'm speaking out right now.

00:25:03.780 I can't go to about four different African countries for speaking out against their dictators. 0.89

00:25:07.560 I call bullshit or BS, uh, wherever it's happening, but we see that America's, um, look at when, 0.91

00:25:14.640 when's the newest trend? 0.91

00:25:15.680 We were trend number 37 of the COVID variant.

00:25:19.380 Um, the same people who were screaming at Donald Trump and let's be crystal clear.

00:25:23.300 I am no fan of Donald Trump who was screaming at him for saying the China virus really wanted

00:25:28.240 to start calling it the African South African street.

00:25:31.220 That's the racism I'm talking about in America.

00:25:33.440 That's the anti-blackness and we see it, whether people are foundationally black American or

00:25:38.080 if they're coming over as migrants.

00:25:40.120 Well, but my, but my, here's a little thing.

00:25:41.920 So I guess maybe you just disagree how a country is supposed to be ran.

00:25:44.380 So I'm, I just want to talk about how countries are.

00:25:46.300 Of course, I'm a disruptor.

00:25:47.600 I want a country that works for all a citizen.

00:25:49.480 Cool.

00:25:49.940 So, but let me focus on how countries are ran though.

00:25:52.380 Most countries have borders because they understand that they have, and I agree that you have to

00:25:56.020 protect your borders.

00:25:57.080 You have to protect your country.

00:25:58.500 So in this sense, multiple, you, it's, it's illegal to go to, I want to go to

00:26:03.420 say the majority of countries in the world and there is punishment for being there illegally.

00:26:07.960 Now in United of America, you come over here illegally for some reason in a, in a too many 1.00

00:26:12.960 cases, not only do you not get punished, but you get benefits, you get benefits.

00:26:17.580 I haven't even black people get it. 1.00

00:26:19.060 We're here.

00:26:19.580 We was born and raised here.

00:26:21.040 So I, so, and then not only that, they let you get here, you get your cars and then you

00:26:26.000 can actually get a job while being here illegal.

00:26:28.020 Meanwhile, if some, if a black person get called trespassing or anybody, a regular American

00:26:33.020 get called trespassing or something, you can end up in prison.

00:26:35.900 So it's, it's kind of interesting how that works.

00:26:37.980 I think I want to say about political asylum, because you're talking about the legality

00:26:41.380 of it.

00:26:41.760 If you make your way anyway onto this country's soil, you're supposed to be able to cry political

00:26:47.560 asylum.

00:26:48.160 You're supposed to be able to say that as a grounds to say, and there's a law and there's

00:26:52.540 a process put into place by that.

00:26:54.040 And we look at the countries where people are fleeing from as much as I am, because

00:26:58.880 I love America.

00:27:00.100 I'm a foundational black American.

00:27:01.680 My family built this country and built the white house.

00:27:03.900 But if people were fleeing to America because they're leaving crime ridden places, the cartel

00:27:09.220 is on their tail and they get here and they say political asylum, like I'm a political prisoner,

00:27:14.280 something to that effect, whatever they actually need to say, that's in the law.

00:27:18.500 How do we, how do we go back on that?

00:27:20.780 Uh, because that's not why the majority of illegal immigrants come over here.

00:27:24.420 They, they claim themselves as opportunity.

00:27:26.500 Matter of fact, in a few countries, it's actually promoted that you could just come over here.

00:27:30.000 They actually promote it.

00:27:31.000 You could just, you could just go to America. 0.75

00:27:32.440 Hey, I mean, screw this place.

00:27:34.200 So I don't, I don't. 0.97

00:27:35.260 Well, those of all the white folks watching this show, they probably want to send me back 0.99

00:27:38.340 to Africa. 0.75

00:27:39.200 So that, that's a thing.

00:27:40.500 It's like, hey, go back to Africa. 0.93

00:27:42.200 Oh, I've been told that.

00:27:43.820 Oh, I've seen that.

00:27:45.200 Trust me.

00:27:45.820 I'll, I'll screenshot you some things.

00:27:47.400 No, listen, listen, listen, I have conversations with actually, I have conversations with actual

00:27:52.260 neo-Nazis and actual white supremacists.

00:27:54.660 So I know they will, they will tell you that.

00:27:57.380 Well, I have conversations with anybody because the only way to get past something is to understand

00:28:01.620 the other person.

00:28:02.560 So, um, so, and they will tell you that.

00:28:04.800 I'm not going to lie.

00:28:05.300 There are some white supremacists not to tell you to go back to Africa.

00:28:07.340 The only issue is they're usually, uh, not conservative.

00:28:10.440 They're usually like socialists, but you know.

00:28:12.500 All right, I want to move on to one more question and then I want to talk to you both, uh, with

00:28:18.920 a final question each.

00:28:20.360 So this one will be towards Bryson first.

00:28:22.880 Bryson, does the LGBT movement help or hinder progress of black Americans or groups like

00:28:28.240 BLM? 1.00

00:28:29.880 I mean, it hinders, it hinders progress for humanity.

00:28:32.760 I mean, especially with black folk, because once again, we're only 13% of the population.

00:28:38.360 We don't have the same luxury as other people have Hispanic, the Hispanic population is growing. 1.00

00:28:44.740 The white population is decreasing by a bit, but they're still the old woman majority in this 0.98

00:28:48.400 country. 0.52

00:28:49.340 Black folk population is stagnant. 1.00

00:28:51.540 We don't have time to be promoting things that obviously goes against the black family unit and 0.88

00:28:59.940 the LGBT screw politics, screw anything just inherently by nature. 1.00

00:29:06.900 It does that obviously the higher gay population you have, the less people you have starting 1.00

00:29:15.220 families get, uh, uh, uh, and progressing the community, but even screw the black community, 1.00

00:29:21.260 humanity, LGBT is a negative for humanity. 1.00

00:29:25.020 There's no net positive.

00:29:26.920 There's only a net negative with the, with a higher LGBT population, only a net negative. 1.00

00:29:32.440 And nobody can really disagree with that.

00:29:37.200 So just to be clear, you're asking if the LGBT community is hindering the black lives matter

00:29:43.440 movement.

00:29:43.920 As in like their viewpoints and their ideology and everything.

00:29:46.580 Not, of course, not on an individual level.

00:29:48.440 I believe in personal freedom as much as the next person.

00:29:50.800 If you're an adult, do whatever you want.

00:29:52.360 But the ideologically speaking, um, if you look back in history, we talk about Warren

00:29:59.580 Luther King a lot because, you know, everyone hated him, but he's been whitewashed.

00:30:03.140 So, so we love him.

00:30:04.360 We don't call him a communist and things anymore.

00:30:06.900 Um, there's that, that's what happened years and many years from now when I'm gone, they'll 0.94

00:30:10.720 act like I was the greatest person ever instead of this angry black lady. 1.00

00:30:14.220 Um, but there was a man called Baynard Rustic, who, who was a queer black man. 0.92

00:30:19.480 There was another person by the name of Audrey Lord.

00:30:22.100 Let's be clear.

00:30:22.920 I'm for the advancement of all black people. 0.87

00:30:25.900 So black queer people, I want you to be able to get a job.

00:30:29.760 I want you to be able to get housing. 0.95

00:30:31.640 I will find a way to help feed you.

00:30:33.720 There's so many black trans and queer people who have been on the front line.

00:30:37.000 And to talk about when you're talking about the population growth and black people, of course,

00:30:41.000 I'm tired of the fact we've been there for, for 13, we've been at 13% my whole life, but

00:30:46.240 I will not blame that on the queer community.

00:30:48.700 I believe that every person in this country, no matter race, sex, or creed should have equity

00:30:54.260 in this country.

00:30:55.120 I do not believe that they are pushing away my doctrines and what I believe in, because

00:31:00.000 my thing is black liberation.

00:31:01.620 And I understand there are many roads and many different avenues and we all won't agree.

00:31:06.680 We all won't get along, but the ultimate goal is black liberation.

00:31:11.000 So, I feel like the only way to have black liberation in the root, in the core of advancing

00:31:17.180 any community in the history of the world, I don't care what community it is, is the

00:31:21.720 family unit.

00:31:22.760 If the family unit is intact, just statistically and historically, you will have more success.

00:31:27.740 Then you can pass down the generational wealth that you obtain.

00:31:31.620 Then you're more likely to even have that wealth in the first place.

00:31:34.240 So, an obvious threat to the black family unit is not only just the LGBT as is, like 1.00

00:31:41.540 literally as is, the idea of it as is, but it's the agenda to push it more, especially 0.98

00:31:46.960 on black people.

00:31:48.180 I grew up in the black community.

00:31:50.420 I never even seen a transgender person until I was like 18, 19. 0.88

00:31:55.660 Now they're trying to push it on the black people. 0.59

00:31:56.920 I grew up in New York, so it's a little different.

00:31:58.600 Yeah.

00:31:58.840 Okay.

00:31:59.320 Yeah.

00:31:59.720 I'm sure it's different in New York.

00:32:01.280 But so, so I, well, I'm from though, like, I don't, I don't, you didn't see it.

00:32:04.780 Now, when you go to Atlanta.

00:32:06.680 You mean there was no queer cousins?

00:32:08.840 There was nobody in the South who lived with an uncle who was with a partner.

00:32:11.720 No, no, no, no, no.

00:32:12.260 I knew, so, so, so, I knew, I knew gay people, but I never knew a transgender.

00:32:16.520 No transgenders in my family. 0.57

00:32:17.600 Even still, I don't think there's a transgender in my family.

00:32:19.400 But, um, so when now, when I see things becoming more common, but then you look at it, when

00:32:25.220 you look at McDonald's, when they do their marketing, they specifically promote black

00:32:28.920 trans lives.

00:32:29.800 Or when I had a class of black lives matter, they had less black lives matter flags, but 0.67

00:32:35.440 more black trans lives matter flags.

00:32:37.920 I think I only saw three ones that only said black lives matter.

00:32:40.860 So our flag is the black liberation, but it's the red, black, and green.

00:32:44.800 I'm like, if you Google me, you see it everywhere.

00:32:46.800 It's red, black, and green.

00:32:47.860 I'm sitting in front of a black wall.

00:32:49.400 So when I fight for black people, I include all of them.

00:32:53.140 Right now, with us only being 13% of the population, any black folk who want to come 1.00

00:32:57.800 over and join this fight against this oppressive system, who wants to fight to get legislation

00:33:02.580 passed, fight for black people, I'm not turning them away.

00:33:06.140 I'm not judging you on based on who you sleep with and who you lay with.

00:33:10.200 Of course, I believe in a black family unit. 0.99

00:33:12.260 I wish all black baby was born. 0.99

00:33:14.180 It breaks my heart to its core that more black babies are murdered in New York City than 1.00

00:33:19.040 born. 0.98

00:33:19.680 It hurts my soul when I see the senses.

00:33:22.580 But as a Christian, I have to practice love.

00:33:25.800 I have to practice tolerance.

00:33:27.440 I have to.

00:33:28.060 Yeah.

00:33:28.660 Trust me.

00:33:29.520 I've sat down with my pastors about this, right?

00:33:31.720 Who have some views.

00:33:33.040 And it was like, if I show people love, it will lead people to Christ.

00:33:37.380 So who they lay with, that's not my business.

00:33:39.780 When I get up there, God's going to ask about what Shavonna Renee Newsome did with her time 1.00

00:33:44.880 on this earth.

00:33:45.700 It's not going to ask me about my trans homegirl, who I'm about to start a protest and a rally

00:33:50.100 with.

00:33:50.440 We coming for you, New York State soon.

00:33:52.260 But it's just, I'm not condemning them.

00:33:55.200 I'm not condemning them. 0.93

00:33:55.980 Because the thing is, we like to do is, we like to make people the new nigger on the block. 1.00

00:34:00.480 That's what happens. 0.96

00:34:01.800 That's what, and let's be real. 0.98

00:34:03.100 Gay people got their rights because of black people. 1.00

00:34:05.440 Immigrants got their rights because of black people. 1.00

00:34:07.340 All these things have came, I'm not turning my back on anyone who is oppressed and marginalized.

00:34:11.620 Just real quick, though, and I'm sure you looked me up.

00:34:15.460 I am a Bible dumper. 0.78

00:34:16.580 So since you brought up Jesus and God, we're going to have to get to the Bible. 0.81

00:34:20.760 Because there's one issue.

00:34:21.580 You say your job is to love, but it's really not, though.

00:34:24.640 And what I mean by that is, you said God's going to ask you, what did you do?

00:34:28.480 That's also not true.

00:34:29.840 In Ezekiel 3, 18 through 19, it says, if you warn somebody that they would die in their

00:34:34.020 iniquity, then your soul is saved.

00:34:37.540 And if they still continue.

00:34:39.340 But if you don't warn somebody that they will die in their iniquity, if you don't warn somebody,

00:34:44.680 their blood is on your hands.

00:34:46.380 It's actually your job to warn people and turn people from sin.

00:34:49.980 Leading somebody to Christ, what's leading somebody to Christ is not telling them about

00:34:54.080 Christ and them not changing.

00:34:55.380 Because there's no such thing as being within Christ if you're not changing your life.

00:34:58.080 You can't sin. 0.99

00:34:58.880 God, wipe people out for being homosexual. 0.99

00:35:01.340 Yeah, I know about Sodom and Gomorrah, but I don't have the power. 0.99

00:35:06.480 I'm not condemning people.

00:35:08.340 I'm just not.

00:35:09.480 He was without sin.

00:35:10.560 Let him cast the first stone.

00:35:12.000 I am nothing. 0.98

00:35:12.880 I compare nothing to his filthy rags.

00:35:15.080 I'm a horrible, terrible sinner who tries to be more like Jesus every single day. 0.87

00:35:19.680 I spread the word of God, the love of God.

00:35:21.780 And I hope that through my actions, I'm showing that I'm a servant of Christ.

00:35:24.980 But I'm not condemning anyone.

00:35:27.200 But the way I've interpreted the word in the reading, yes, we know what the sins are.

00:35:31.440 You're guilty of sin.

00:35:33.340 Are you not a sinner?

00:35:34.560 So, no, I'm not a...

00:35:35.600 Are you not a sinner?

00:35:36.520 Okay, let me... 0.99

00:35:37.200 You said you were a worthless sinner? 0.97

00:35:38.080 Hold on, it's different. 0.99

00:35:39.160 It's just...

00:35:39.760 It's no class...

00:35:40.820 Hold on.

00:35:41.320 It's different.

00:35:41.600 It is.

00:35:42.060 It is.

00:35:43.040 No, it is.

00:35:44.300 It is.

00:35:44.560 I can explain it to you.

00:35:45.360 I really read the Bible daily.

00:35:46.900 This is literally what I do when it comes to the Bible.

00:35:49.080 So, let me explain this.

00:35:50.520 When people say I'm a worthless, rugged sinner, yeah, the thing is, that's not what Jesus calls

00:35:54.820 you to be.

00:35:55.340 Jesus actually says, be perfect as ye, your Father, is perfect in heaven.

00:35:58.380 Matter of fact, Jesus said, walk like how I walk.

00:36:00.760 Matter of fact, in 1 John, it says to really be like Christ, you have to actually walk like

00:36:05.680 Christ.

00:36:06.220 So, you're not supposed to just live in sin for the rest of your life.

00:36:09.020 That's not biblical.

00:36:09.680 It's actually unbiblical.

00:36:09.920 Well, when Jesus came here, right?

00:36:11.720 Because he was the greatest revolutionary to ever live.

00:36:14.280 I'm calm compared to how Jesus was like kicking over tables and wilding out when he

00:36:18.760 seen wrong things.

00:36:20.100 But who did he come to be with?

00:36:22.100 Who was he...

00:36:22.760 He wasn't hanging out with the Pharisees.

00:36:24.820 He wasn't hanging out with these people who were righteous, who thought they were perfect

00:36:28.420 and thought that they were God-like.

00:36:30.220 He was hanging out with sinners to get the job done.

00:36:33.840 No, he was calling...

00:36:34.680 He was calling people to work.

00:36:36.700 He was calling people to work.

00:36:37.180 No, no, no.

00:36:37.640 That, no, no.

00:36:38.380 Look at the people who he called.

00:36:39.660 He called murderers. 0.98

00:36:40.760 He called sex workers. 0.96

00:36:42.140 He called these...

00:36:42.580 I don't know their sexual identities, whatever was working with them back then.

00:36:46.860 But the Lord called people who are usually forgotten, who are usually outcasts, who are usually

00:36:52.260 turned away.

00:36:52.940 And he turned them great.

00:36:54.680 He made them the cornerstone.

00:36:57.140 So I can't turn my back on.

00:36:58.760 But what did he tell them?

00:36:59.600 Because that's...

00:37:00.460 So my question is, if you're going to be Christ-like, though, in the same situation,

00:37:03.080 do you tell your trans friend to turn to sin no more?

00:37:05.460 That's what Jesus did.

00:37:06.260 Not only that, Jesus, he didn't like the Pharisees, but not because they thought they were righteous.

00:37:10.480 Jesus called the Pharisees righteous, but what he said, what they say righteous. 1.00

00:37:14.180 He said, do as the Pharisees say, but not as they do, because they talk, but they don't

00:37:21.780 do what they say.

00:37:23.280 So Jesus' whole point was that the Pharisees were hypocrites, but do as they tell you to 0.99

00:37:26.360 do.

00:37:26.820 That's what he said.

00:37:27.680 Do as they tell you to do in Matthew, because the Pharisees were considered the gold standard, 0.96

00:37:32.520 but he was calling them hypocrites.

00:37:34.220 What they were saying was truthful. 0.97

00:37:35.640 But so my question is, do you tell your trans friend to go and sin no more? 0.95

00:37:41.460 And I invite my trans friends to church.

00:37:43.980 I invite every single person because we are Christians, my brother and I both.

00:37:49.040 Before we start, any action, any rally, any meeting, we pray to Christ.

00:37:54.520 We hope that...

00:37:55.380 I pray and hope that my life is enough to lead people to Christ.

00:37:58.860 I do not condemn them.

00:38:00.280 I do not throw stones at them.

00:38:01.660 So if I am guilty of that, that's something I'll have to take up with the good Lord.

00:38:05.940 But no, I do not.

00:38:07.040 I show people the love of God.

00:38:08.700 So, but yeah, God hated people too.

00:38:10.920 Psalm 5, 5, Malachi chapter 1, verses 2 through 3.

00:38:14.080 Then Paul reset it in Romans 2.

00:38:18.540 I'm just saying there is things we have to do.

00:38:21.260 Like if we're going to be employees of Christ, we have a job description.

00:38:24.980 And...

00:38:25.240 So do you condemn white supremacists?

00:38:27.520 Do you lead them to God?

00:38:29.480 Do you condemn these neo-Nazis who you love to talk to? 1.00

00:38:33.580 Do you tell them that they're wrong for hating and want to kill black people? 0.99

00:38:37.460 Or do you say these things? 0.99

00:38:40.020 So, once again, I...

00:38:41.160 The same way that I should be talking to trans people, right?

00:38:43.700 Who are on the ground, who are beating people, who are getting their heads cracked by the NYPD,

00:38:48.140 who are fighting for legislation, who are out there doing the work.

00:38:51.300 Like they're really side by side, lifting and moving things.

00:38:53.760 Do you tell these white supremacists and neo-Nazis to love black folk? 0.59

00:38:59.720 This is what you tell them. 0.99

00:39:00.560 I tell them that they're painting their skin color over God. 1.00

00:39:04.320 So I send the same message to everybody. 0.86

00:39:05.380 I actually debate with white supremacists.

00:39:06.640 I debate with neo-Nazis. 0.69

00:39:07.780 I debate with everybody.

00:39:08.960 Matter of fact, here go to the thing.

00:39:10.280 I used to be super pro-black.

00:39:12.700 One of the main reasons I know about...

00:39:14.580 What happened?

00:39:15.200 You got fed up?

00:39:16.360 You got tired of people?

00:39:16.960 No, no, no, no.

00:39:17.480 What happened?

00:39:18.300 No, no, no.

00:39:18.680 I'm going to tell...

00:39:19.060 Oh, yeah.

00:39:19.660 Hey, I got the friends taking that people to pay money. 1.00

00:39:21.640 Oh, folk be so stupid. 1.00

00:39:22.900 Never mind. 1.00

00:39:23.440 That's a different subject.

00:39:24.160 But listen, I used to be super pro-black.

00:39:26.100 Not just regular pro-black.

00:39:27.480 There's a KKK, like the KKK white knights was in my area in North Carolina. 0.73

00:39:33.080 Yeah, you from the South.

00:39:34.080 Please, my name's from South Carolina.

00:39:35.860 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.67

00:39:36.280 Like that's a whole other in-your-face, sim-crow-ass reason. 0.70

00:39:39.160 Yeah. 0.83

00:39:39.580 So I used to be a lone wolf.

00:39:41.460 I used to basically do what they do.

00:39:43.120 I used to go out at night like 3 o'clock in the morning making things happen,

00:39:45.720 you know, doing certain things.

00:39:46.660 But what changed is the more you read the Bible, the more I came to Christ,

00:39:51.940 I realized that my people weren't people because they had the same skin color as me.

00:39:57.100 My people are those people that are on a narrow path.

00:39:59.680 So I instantly, you sort of have to leave that ideology.

00:40:03.240 Well, you can't take everybody.

00:40:04.860 Even the Bible says this.

00:40:06.400 Like even when Jesus comes back, you can't take everybody. 0.98

00:40:09.720 But while I'm here, right, I feel, you know, whatever you're doing,

00:40:12.860 you feel like it's your call from God.

00:40:14.420 I feel like it's my call from God to lead people to liberation.

00:40:19.100 My personal mission in life is to eradicate poverty.

00:40:23.020 So that's my role and my mission in this.

00:40:25.760 I do have a question, though.

00:40:26.920 I got to jump in here.

00:40:27.560 I'm still...

00:40:27.960 I want a question about that last statement.

00:40:32.180 Follow me on the gram.

00:40:33.280 We can have a debate or something.

00:40:34.720 Okay, bet, bet, bet.

00:40:35.980 I'll bring you on my YouTube show, too.

00:40:38.500 Great.

00:40:39.260 I'm really matchmaking here.

00:40:42.300 Well, we became buddies like that, too.

00:40:44.420 We're like Twitter buddies after one interview.

00:40:47.520 It just happens here.

00:40:49.580 So I want to go to Shavonna for this last first thing.

00:40:53.140 We talked about, last time I spoke to you, about Kyrie Irving and all that stuff.

00:40:57.620 And obviously, you guys were on the front lines, let's call them, of those protests.

00:41:02.120 I think that was somewhat of a victory, even if it's not directly caused by the protests that happened.

00:41:07.440 Kyrie Irving withheld.

00:41:09.280 And they ended up calling them back.

00:41:11.140 And I want to know, in your line of work, you had all these people probably, just like myself, reach out to you and telling you that they agree with you.

00:41:19.200 And they're happy to have BLM and BLM Greater New York champion the same type of things that they're working on, against vaccine passports, for example, against forced vaccination.

00:41:30.240 How often do you come up against people, and it doesn't matter if they're progressive or not, who have a problem with you as being a Christian person, you being against the mandates?

00:41:40.040 Is this something you have to battle with a lot of the time?

00:41:44.480 Absolutely.

00:41:45.460 But Christ was persecuted.

00:41:47.780 He died on the cross.

00:41:50.520 Say, when I called Kamala Harris, when they announced her nomination, the Times, the Wall Street Journal, made CNN, I said that she was a top cop who had never done anything good for black folks.

00:42:00.740 I had liberals attack me.

00:42:02.500 If I speak out against the GOP, I think that that's just the role that comes with being a truth teller.

00:42:08.280 I've had liberal friends unfollow me, people I knew before social media, because I don't drink the DNC's Kool-Aid.

00:42:16.040 I just think it's something that comes along with the work.

00:42:19.080 Every week, people find a new reason to hate me or something I say.

00:42:23.480 So it's a part of the job at this point.

00:42:26.940 Okay.

00:42:27.400 Tell us what else you're up to right now, and then we'll head over to Bryson.

00:42:30.160 Anything you want to let people know that you're up to?

00:42:33.500 Absolutely.

00:42:33.900 We're still feeding the families of the Bronx, Nation's poorest congressional district.

00:42:39.840 We did some work for the Twin Parks fire.

00:42:42.600 We have council people recently elected.

00:42:45.380 But right now, the big push is black opportunities. 0.82

00:42:48.700 You can find us on theblackops.com.

00:42:50.820 This is about being self-reliant.

00:42:52.720 This is about creating healing centers where families can get child care, health care.

00:42:57.180 We currently have a school, a Montessori school, where kids are receiving a $50,000 free education in the Bronx.

00:43:03.460 So check out our work.

00:43:04.700 Go to blackwivesmattergreaternewyork.com.

00:43:07.320 Support the movement.

00:43:08.400 Buy a T-shirt.

00:43:09.480 Help us feed people. 0.96

00:43:10.860 And to black people watching this, wake up.

00:43:13.960 This government does not care about you, whether they're Republican or Democrat.

00:43:19.420 No one's coming to save you but yourself.

00:43:21.500 I agree with that last statement.

00:43:24.660 I agree with that last statement so much as crazy.

00:43:26.880 I tweet this all the time.

00:43:28.360 I have a tweet to conservatives that sit at home waiting on the government to save them.

00:43:32.600 No, you have to be self-reliant.

00:43:35.360 You have to get up and do something.

00:43:37.000 We have to save us.

00:43:39.480 Bryson, I know that when I talked to you previously, you considered not voting at all or voting for a third party.

00:43:45.500 Where are you standing these days on the Republican Party?

00:43:48.140 And just as a quick update up here, we've got the Conservative Party in Canada.

00:43:53.200 Now they're coming out against the lockdowns.

00:43:55.020 Now they're coming out against the shutdowns.

00:43:56.800 Nobody really believes them, right?

00:43:58.040 It's been two years and they said nothing, but now it's politically convenient.

00:44:01.940 What are you thinking moving forward about who you want to support, who people who listen to Bryson Gray should support?

00:44:08.140 What do you think about that?

00:44:09.060 Is there any answer coming?

00:44:11.740 I don't know as of now, but I do my action based on what they do.

00:44:15.540 So if they do something that I think is not right, that I will continue.

00:44:18.140 I was an independent.

00:44:19.220 I was a Democrat that turned to independent and turned to Republican and back to independent.

00:44:24.300 So neither party is really for us. 0.99

00:44:26.980 If you can't see, the Republican Party is gay, bro. 1.00

00:44:29.260 These people are not supporting us. 1.00

00:44:30.640 These people don't support anybody, dog.

00:44:32.920 Like, I mean, obviously I like the Democrats less, but I don't do the less of two evils type thing. 0.96

00:44:38.540 I think both are evil.

00:44:39.620 So, I mean, unless I can convince me otherwise, then I'm going to continue that path.

00:44:45.400 Google, I ain't voting until Black Lives Matter. 1.00

00:44:51.140 The Democrats wanted to kill us.

00:44:53.000 We wouldn't support Hillary Clinton. 0.81

00:44:54.980 It was 2016.

00:44:56.940 And yeah, we actually withheld our vote for the general election, a couple of us.

00:45:01.540 It was just like nobody wanted to play the lesser of two evil games.

00:45:04.900 We knew, like, super predators and all of the work that she had done.

00:45:08.900 But yeah, you sound like how we sound in 2019.

00:45:11.980 I'm actually running.

00:45:12.980 I was an independent my whole life until I ran for Congress.

00:45:15.460 And then, yeah, I'm back to being an independent now.

00:45:18.460 So.

00:45:19.360 It was a pleasure.

00:45:20.540 I actually enjoyed it.

00:45:21.660 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:45:22.120 It was fun.

00:45:22.580 It was fun.

00:45:23.800 Let me ask you about that quickly, Shavonna. 0.99

00:45:25.700 Oh, I just forgot what I was going to ask.

00:45:28.900 It was about you.

00:45:30.960 It was about you.

00:45:31.800 About me being independent?

00:45:34.040 No, it was about something about the lesser of two evils, but it's slipping my mind.

00:45:37.480 Anyways, I'm sure I'll think of it next time.

00:45:39.920 Thank you guys both.

00:45:40.740 Tweet me.

00:45:41.960 Okay, exactly.

00:45:42.880 Thank you both for doing this.

00:45:44.680 It's exciting.

00:45:45.720 We learn a lot.

00:45:46.400 We get history lessons.

00:45:48.280 Anything either you guys want to say before we let you go?

00:45:50.760 Thanks again for coming on.

00:45:51.780 Thank you, Andrew, for having us go out there, do the work, keep fighting, stop being a couch

00:46:00.140 revolutionary.

00:46:01.340 You have the power to change this world.

00:46:03.420 If you are a person who believes in the Constitution and the founding rights of this doctrine,

00:46:08.140 these things are your duty.

00:46:09.720 It's your right to fight for your freedom.

00:46:11.720 These are the things that you're God giving rights.

00:46:13.840 So go out there and take them.

00:46:15.020 It's not going to come on your couch.

00:46:16.400 I want to repeat what she just said.

00:46:18.060 Stop being a couch revolutionary.

00:46:19.640 It's funny because I say this all the time.

00:46:24.200 That's how funny it is.

00:46:25.580 Stop being on the couch thinking you're going to make a change from there.

00:46:29.280 Simply being on Twitter.

00:46:30.660 Be out there in the streets.

00:46:31.720 I don't care how cold it is.

00:46:32.780 We were just in D.C.

00:46:33.700 And it was, boy, it was ice cold.

00:46:35.900 But I don't care.

00:46:36.600 We was outside, though.

00:46:38.040 You feel me?

00:46:38.620 I don't care what you're outside for.

00:46:39.940 Get outside.

00:46:40.580 Because there's some people that can't.

00:46:41.860 There's some people that literally are unable to be outside.

00:46:44.380 So those that can, you have no excuse, bro.

00:46:46.640 Get outside.

00:46:47.320 Stop talking on the Internet all day.

00:46:49.640 All right.

00:46:50.360 Thank you both.

00:46:51.160 People can't get outside talking on the Internet.

00:46:53.740 So follow me.

00:46:54.760 I'm hit New York, full word, V-O-N-N-I, New York Bonnie.

00:46:58.980 That's my handle on Twitter and Instagram.

00:47:00.700 And I'll follow you back because we have to continue this conversation.

00:47:03.140 Thanks for having me, gentlemen.

00:47:04.340 Have a great day.

00:47:06.000 You guys as well.

00:47:07.020 And I still think it's a travesty.

00:47:08.440 Bryson was not at America Fest.

00:47:10.240 I'm going to fight for you on that every week, Bryson.

00:47:13.520 I mention that.

00:47:14.140 Thanks a lot, guys.

00:47:15.080 Both of you guys have a great day, OK?

00:47:17.160 All right.

00:47:17.460 Y'all too.

00:47:17.780 Bye-bye.

00:47:18.300 Bye-bye.

Rebel News Podcast - January 28, 2022

ANDREW CHAPADOS ｜ ‘Who is paying you？!’ Bryson Gray vs Chivona Newsome (BLM)

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