Rebel News Podcast - AVI YEMINI ｜ Exposing the TRUTH about anti-Israel propaganda

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00:00:46.580 Welcome back to the Yamini Report. Today we have a special guest that I'm excited to talk to.

00:00:52.000 But for those of you who don't know Saha, I'll just give you a little taste.

00:00:58.460 Watch. 0.99

00:00:59.300 You motherf***er still going into Syria because you want more land because you think there's part of Syria that belongs to the Israeli part of f***ing Lebanon. 0.99

00:01:05.860 Why would we give back the Sinai Peninsula for peace? Why would we do it? It was filled with oil and beautiful things. Why would we give it back? 0.99

00:01:13.140 Give it back to who?

00:01:14.020 To Egypt for peace.

00:01:15.120 And by the way, we also offered to give Gaza back because they controlled it from 1948 till 1967. 0.89

00:01:20.080 Egypt said, no, we don't want them. They make problems. 0.98

00:01:22.400 You attack in strategy. Let me explain. Syria, as you know, just became a free state, right?

00:01:27.680 It didn't become a free state. It became a dictatorship.

00:01:29.520 Can you just shut up? Syria's free. 0.99

00:01:30.960 No, Syria's not free. What's happening to the Christians in Syria? What's happening to the Jews in Syria? By Al-Tahrir, by the brigades? What's happening?

00:01:37.420 You're good. I'm not going to lie. You maintain this peace that makes me want to... It makes me so more infuriated and seeking a lot of peace.

00:01:44.300 That's exactly why this peace is so good and why it's working on social media. 0.98

00:01:47.680 Fucking good. I mean, it's fucking good. 0.99

00:01:49.640 You're good. I'll give it to you. 0.98

00:01:50.900 Thank you.

00:01:51.240 You're word-twisting. You're everything. You're good.

00:01:52.920 Word-twisting. Is it not happening to the Christians in Syria? Is it not happening to the Jews in Syria? Are they not being killed by Muslims? 0.99

00:01:58.600 The Christians in Israel? Jews don't even think Christians should live. 1.00

00:02:01.840 I'm a Jew. I think Christians should live in Israel, just like Jews should live in Israel and Arabs should live in Israel. 0.97

00:02:05.880 As long as we live in peace and don't start shit up, everybody can live here in peace. 0.99

00:02:09.860 So what is Palestine? 0.97

00:02:10.880 What is Palestine? What is that?

00:02:12.660 Country.

00:02:12.980 You're saying Palestine is a country?

00:02:14.420 Yes.

00:02:14.740 So who is the leader of this country? Who is the prime minister?

00:02:17.300 You guys eradicated everything besides Hamas. Hamas is basically our government. 0.78

00:02:19.700 Hold on. You said Palestine is a country. Okay. So you're saying that Palestine was a country before 1948?

00:02:24.420 Yeah.

00:02:24.780 Who was the prime minister then? Name it.

00:02:26.400 Can I Google it for you?

00:02:27.440 Try. And don't tell me Khajamin al-Husseini. He was appointed by the Brits to control only the Muslims. 1.00

00:02:32.080 Not the Christians, not the Jews, who were Palestinians as well.

00:02:34.700 Mahmoud Abbas.

00:02:35.640 Mahmoud Abbas only controls Area A in Judea and Samaria. He doesn't control Gaza.

00:02:40.660 So is Gaza not Palestine? 0.92

00:02:42.020 If Mahmoud Abbas is the leader?

00:02:44.820 Free Palestine.

00:02:47.540 Free Palestine.

00:02:48.400 Free Palestine.

00:02:50.120 From Hamas. 0.93

00:02:50.400 From Hamas and Jihad and Terrorism. 0.91

00:02:56.740 Free Palestine.

00:02:58.560 Palestine is already free. 0.89

00:03:00.320 It was free in 1948.

00:03:02.200 And the Jews live there. 0.86

00:03:04.000 Because it's their indigenous homeland.

00:03:06.120 Yeah, Benzuna.

00:03:06.900 Free Palestine.

00:03:07.800 Why are you cursing?

00:03:09.560 Why are you going to personal levels?

00:03:11.100 Why are you doing that?

00:03:11.920 Where are you coming from originally?

00:03:13.420 From Judea.

00:03:14.220 What is Judea?

00:03:15.340 Judea is the former name of Palestine.

00:03:17.480 You say Palestine, yes?

00:03:18.820 No.

00:03:19.020 No Judea before.

00:03:19.720 Judea was renamed Palestine by the Romans.

00:03:23.200 Then Palestine, yes? 0.81

00:03:24.840 It wasn't Palestine. 0.95

00:03:26.100 There was no Palestine. 1.00

00:03:27.620 It was Syria-Palestina that was given by the Romans. 0.69

00:03:30.920 Not by the Arabs. 0.96

00:03:32.020 Not by the Arabs. 0.96

00:03:33.020 Your parents are from where?

00:03:34.860 My parents are from Israel.

00:03:36.580 Your grandfather from where?

00:03:37.720 All of them come from Judea.

00:03:39.060 How old is Israel?

00:03:40.600 77.

00:03:41.540 And how old is Palestine?

00:03:42.740 Before Israel. 0.89

00:03:43.480 How old is Palestine?

00:03:44.780 I'm originally from Rafakh.

00:03:46.440 My father from Rafakh.

00:03:47.640 My grandfather from Barbara.

00:03:49.280 My grand-grandfather from Barbara.

00:03:51.100 My grand-grand-grand-grand-grandfather from Barbara.

00:03:53.900 How old is Palestine?

00:03:55.140 Tell me the age.

00:03:56.280 You know the age.

00:03:57.380 I will not answer you.

00:03:58.560 Because you don't know the age.

00:03:59.920 I told you where I am from.

00:04:01.340 How old is Palestine?

00:04:02.420 Say the age.

00:04:03.120 I told you.

00:04:03.640 I told you when Israel coming, the people from Jewish coming in Palestine. 1.00

00:04:07.840 You know that some Jews never left.

00:04:09.280 Palestine helped them.

00:04:10.460 They didn't help them.

00:04:11.120 What do you have to say about the Jews that were killed in the Hebron massacre in 1929 by Muslims?

00:04:15.580 What do you have to say about this?

00:04:16.700 No, no.

00:04:16.980 You don't respect me.

00:04:17.700 I will not answer you.

00:04:18.900 When I was talking.

00:04:19.760 Because I asked you a question.

00:04:21.140 I asked you a question.

00:04:21.900 No, no.

00:04:22.240 And then you decided.

00:04:23.020 I'm not finished.

00:04:24.040 I'm going to ask you again.

00:04:24.900 How old is Palestine?

00:04:26.000 If a different answer is going to come out of your mouth, then you're deflecting my question.

00:04:30.180 I answered your question when you asked me how old is Israel.

00:04:32.520 I said 77.

00:04:33.560 How old is Palestine?

00:04:34.960 Answer.

00:04:35.420 No, no.

00:04:35.780 You don't answer my question.

00:04:36.680 Answer the question.

00:04:37.740 I'm going to keep muting you until you answer the question.

00:04:39.860 I want productive conversation.

00:04:41.200 Not you running away.

00:04:42.380 How old is Palestine?

00:04:46.600 Where are the Arabs from? 0.86

00:04:48.240 From Arabia.

00:04:49.140 Where they are from?

00:04:50.240 Can we ask Shadjpt? 1.00

00:04:51.500 You can ask.

00:04:52.260 They are from Canaan.

00:04:53.860 If you're serious.

00:04:54.900 No, they're not.

00:04:55.600 Where do Arabs come from?

00:04:57.820 What's their place of origin?

00:04:59.160 So the origin of Arabs is generally traced back to the Arabian Peninsula, which includes modern

00:05:05.320 day countries like Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, and the surrounding areas.

00:05:09.520 No, bro.

00:05:10.040 I don't mean that.

00:05:10.860 Arabs don't originate from Canaan.

00:05:12.780 But that is like Arabic language.

00:05:15.020 I'm going to translate.

00:05:18.280 Are we literally listening to the Muazin in the UK right now? 0.99

00:05:21.820 Do Arabs originate from Canaan?

00:05:23.820 Yes.

00:05:25.160 No, Arabs don't originate from Canaan.

00:05:27.740 Their origins are primarily traced back to the Arabian Peninsula.

00:05:31.780 And the Canaanites were a different group of people who lived in the Levant region.

00:05:35.740 Thank you, brother.

00:05:36.360 You're the best.

00:05:36.880 Okay.

00:05:37.260 I'm going to show you.

00:05:38.700 What are you going to show you?

00:05:40.120 I just...

00:05:40.700 I just proved to you.

00:05:45.200 I'm going to ask you a question.

00:05:46.200 I'm going to ask you an English question.

00:05:47.120 Are the Arabs from Canaan and who are from Canaan?

00:05:51.080 Here's the answer in English.

00:05:52.500 The Arabs are not originally from Canaan.

00:05:55.280 The origins of the Arabs trace back to the Arabian Peninsula, especially southern Arabia,

00:06:00.220 modern-day Yemen, where the early Arab tribes emerged.

00:06:03.460 Where the Jews come in Palestine?

00:06:05.860 From Judea.

00:06:07.440 No, actually, it's Britannia or...

00:06:10.980 Hey, brother.

00:06:11.700 Where do Jews originate from?

00:06:13.680 Can you say it in Arabic?

00:06:33.460 Saar, how are you doing, mate?

00:06:38.360 Absolute champion.

00:06:39.380 I think the viewers will all agree that is some amazing work.

00:06:44.860 How did you end up doing this?

00:06:48.100 So, first of all, thank you for having me.

00:06:50.400 It's a pleasure to be speaking to one of my idols on social media, on YouTube.

00:06:57.160 No, no, I really...

00:06:57.800 I am looking up to you.

00:06:59.020 I've been looking up to you for a long time.

00:07:01.620 I love your videos.

00:07:02.660 So, that's the first thing.

00:07:04.640 Second thing, I am nobody.

00:07:08.500 That's who I am.

00:07:09.300 I started doing this out of pure love for my country, pure love for my people.

00:07:14.660 And it all actually happened.

00:07:17.400 It all started on October 7th.

00:07:18.860 I was woken up by a phone call by my sister.

00:07:21.800 She told me, lock the doors. 0.99

00:07:23.300 There's terrorists in the country.

00:07:25.000 And I said, what? 0.99

00:07:25.880 What the hell are you talking about? 0.97

00:07:27.440 What terrorist? 1.00

00:07:29.160 Lock the doors.

00:07:30.440 It was 12 p.m.

00:07:31.520 I woke up in the middle of everything.

00:07:33.420 I wasn't aware that terrorists invaded the country.

00:07:35.540 I wasn't aware about the festival.

00:07:36.860 I wasn't aware about anything.

00:07:39.320 I was shocked.

00:07:40.860 I went on social media at the end of the day to see what people say.

00:07:44.800 I said, I asked people...

00:07:45.980 I asked myself and my wife, do you think people will finally understand what our people are going through?

00:07:53.120 That was the question.

00:07:54.420 Went on social media and I heard the most blatant lies about my country, about my people, about our people.

00:08:00.880 I just couldn't stay silent.

00:08:02.740 So I started joining TikTok debates out of...

00:08:05.820 Really out of...

00:08:06.740 Really out of pure intention to educate people and to let them know that the host is lying and that the people on the panel are lying.

00:08:15.540 And this is not a Bruno Mars concert.

00:08:18.580 This is a festival that was invaded.

00:08:20.700 That's what I did.

00:08:22.560 I started going on debates, on TikTok debates.

00:08:25.600 Didn't give much thought to it.

00:08:27.520 And people told me after, yo, you've got something.

00:08:30.920 You need to do more debates on TikTok.

00:08:32.760 So that's what I did.

00:08:34.060 I was doxed, exposed.

00:08:36.880 And I realized that this thing wasn't working.

00:08:38.960 Took a step back, started recording one-on-one conversations on OMI TV.

00:08:42.020 Just like Hamza, our friend that exposes fake propaganda on social media.

00:08:49.120 Exposes.

00:08:49.760 He films fake propaganda with children.

00:08:52.640 I've noticed there's a lot of children.

00:08:55.320 A lot of children.

00:08:56.660 Why?

00:08:57.100 We'll talk about it in a bit.

00:08:58.320 But I realized it was working.

00:08:59.720 I realized it's easily consumable content.

00:09:01.680 And I decided to do the same thing.

00:09:03.500 So I started recording, filming.

00:09:05.320 And it was insane from that moment.

00:09:07.300 People love the conversations.

00:09:09.320 And I feel like people love consuming content that is easily shareable.

00:09:14.020 Not too heavy.

00:09:15.560 And really, really easy to understand.

00:09:18.200 That's how I'm...

00:09:19.340 Especially when it comes to this subject.

00:09:21.080 I think a lot of people, it's really hard to decipher what's true.

00:09:26.480 What's false.

00:09:27.180 What's emotional.

00:09:28.100 What's fact-based.

00:09:29.320 And watching you, you have...

00:09:33.340 Whoever told you you have something, we're completely right.

00:09:35.800 Because you have this ability in the moment to just be really calm and get...

00:09:42.940 Dig deeper than...

00:09:44.100 You know, I often notice how they will assume they know where you're going.

00:09:49.340 And then you just go...

00:09:50.380 You have this calm way of going, no, no, no.

00:09:52.000 Hold on.

00:09:52.340 I just want to understand this little point.

00:09:55.380 And they unravel.

00:09:57.460 Which is...

00:09:58.820 Like, with what we're seeing online at the moment, it is so important.

00:10:02.680 And I think it's obviously resonating with a lot of people.

00:10:05.300 Because a lot of people know...

00:10:06.480 A lot of people know the hyperventilation from either the far right or...

00:10:12.900 Or, you know, a big part of the Islamic community or even the far left.

00:10:16.800 Whatever.

00:10:17.180 Those three parts are dominating the internet at the moment.

00:10:20.220 They know that they're talking nonsense.

00:10:22.180 But it's really hard to break through, let's say, the chants of free Palestine.

00:10:27.520 And all the buzzwords, you know, apartheid, genocide.

00:10:33.000 Everything we hear over and over again.

00:10:35.080 And you know what they say.

00:10:35.780 When you repeat a lie enough times, generally people start believing it.

00:10:39.680 And that's what we're seeing at the moment.

00:10:42.120 So, tell us a bit more about your personal history.

00:10:46.860 So, I get that's how you started.

00:10:50.260 What were you doing before that?

00:10:52.540 And how old are you?

00:10:54.500 I'm 29 years old.

00:10:56.960 29 years old.

00:10:58.260 I'm a part of a triplet.

00:10:59.460 I have a twin brother and a twin sister.

00:11:02.420 And before that, I was in marketing.

00:11:05.220 I was just doing marketing with, you know, me and my brother's business.

00:11:09.300 I'm not going to disclose what it is.

00:11:10.500 I don't want it to be exposed.

00:11:11.640 I don't want people to leave bad reviews.

00:11:14.100 So, I'm not going to do that.

00:11:15.480 But I was in marketing.

00:11:17.140 I was actually a music producer.

00:11:18.620 I have a tattoo right here.

00:11:20.100 Because I used to make music.

00:11:21.640 Used to be a pianist.

00:11:22.820 Used to produce.

00:11:23.860 That was my true love.

00:11:25.180 I truly, you know, I was in love with the camera even before.

00:11:28.640 Because I had a YouTube channel for my music.

00:11:31.080 So, this whole thing kind of was pretty natural for me, you know, to be in front of a camera and to speak.

00:11:37.880 But yeah, that was my true passion.

00:11:40.040 I wanted to be a musician.

00:11:41.700 And that passion kind of faded away when I realized that there's more important things in life.

00:11:46.600 And this is why I'm doing what I'm doing.

00:11:49.120 Okay.

00:11:50.080 So, now, in these conversations, what have been your, well, these debates, what has been, I guess, from your perspective, the most shocking thing you've found or the most shocking interaction?

00:12:05.140 Well, my most shocking interaction was not even filmed.

00:12:12.780 That was, that's how I realized that I should be filming these interactions.

00:12:16.140 I was with my wife on the couch.

00:12:19.700 And we were talking to this one guy from Nablus.

00:12:23.520 And he started really, really hostile.

00:12:26.120 And I was like, wow, that's kind of crazy.

00:12:27.880 I don't know how we're speaking to this guy.

00:12:29.380 He was very hostile.

00:12:30.360 We were able to get him to relax and have a decent conversation with us.

00:12:36.120 And then he asked us, well, okay, so you're telling me I can go, like, I can visit Israel and nobody's going to try to kill me because he was brainwashed.

00:12:47.320 People are going to try to kill him even if he steps foot in Israel.

00:12:49.800 I was like, of course you can come.

00:12:51.040 As long as you have the right permits, you can come.

00:12:53.240 You can visit Yafo.

00:12:54.740 You can visit Haifa.

00:12:55.640 You can go to places with a lot of Arabs.

00:12:57.080 And you'll see that everybody's treated equally. 0.94

00:12:59.360 And he said, insane.

00:13:01.760 And I asked him, what do you think will happen to me if I try to visit you at Nablus?

00:13:05.500 Yes, as a Jew and Israeli.

00:13:07.260 And he said, you're right. 0.99

00:13:08.280 My friends and I will probably try to kill you because that's what we were taught. 0.99

00:13:11.320 That was the key point. 0.80

00:13:13.580 I was like, I have to record what I'm doing because this is so important for people to see, so important for people to listen to because that's the side of the story.

00:13:26.260 Westerners are not aware of the Middle East.

00:13:28.500 They don't know Middle Eastern mentality.

00:13:30.180 They have no idea.

00:13:31.400 And people like you and people like me are here to expose it.

00:13:34.040 So that was my most shocking conversation.

00:13:36.660 Absolutely most shocking conversation.

00:13:38.160 So you did mention before, and I know some of the viewers here won't even know what you're talking about, referencing the Palestinian that does the same thing that kind of, in a way, sounds like inspired you to do it.

00:13:52.120 Tell us a bit about him and then tell us about your interaction and what you found with him.

00:13:58.080 Because I do know, you know, when we see two people who are doing almost the same thing on opposite ends of the spectrum, it is kind of you and this guy.

00:14:07.880 He's all over TikTok, and I have noticed, you know, when he popped up live, I see he's generally talking to kids.

00:14:15.720 And I've gone on and done some of these live stuff because of you.

00:14:20.700 It's a completely different game.

00:14:22.700 I think you do it brilliantly.

00:14:23.880 I don't know if it is my game, but when I see, the point I'm making is that when I see kids, I just skip over them because I'm just like, I'm not going to engage with kids.

00:14:33.940 But it looks like he's intentionally talking to kids.

00:14:36.640 Tell us who he is and what you found from your interaction and a bit more about that.

00:14:41.360 So, his name is Hamza Saada.

00:14:45.680 He used to be a Twitch streamer, and he used to stream about, I think, Fortnite, if I'm correct.

00:14:52.020 I don't know.

00:14:52.320 I didn't watch. 0.99

00:14:54.740 And the reason why he's speaking to children is because he knows that in order to demonize the people of Israel, you need to show people that the children are treating him like crap and trash. 0.99

00:15:08.100 So, he talks to children who already know him from social media. 0.99

00:15:11.600 They know the vile person that he is.

00:15:14.360 So, as soon as they see him, they curse him because they see what he does.

00:15:18.360 And then he captures these moments as if those children were taught to hate, were taught to curse, and he's acting like an innocent little boy speaking to these children.

00:15:29.160 Now, if you have just a little bit of intelligence, can't you see that children are not the right people to talk about this topic with?

00:15:37.520 Can't you see?

00:15:38.640 If you actually watch my live streams...

00:15:40.620 How old is Hamza himself?

00:15:42.840 What was that?

00:15:43.740 How old is Hamza?

00:15:44.640 Do you know?

00:15:45.800 He's, I think, 23 or 22.

00:15:48.020 Like, he's old enough to know that you don't bring children into the conversation.

00:15:51.880 You talk to somebody at least over the age of 18.

00:15:54.700 And I'll tell you now, the other day I actually, he popped up and I was watching live and he was talking to kids and they were actually genuinely nice Israeli kids.

00:16:07.060 And he was saying, so what, so one kid, he was saying, so your grandparents were from Iran, your grandparents are from, they're Iraq.

00:16:17.120 And, you know, and he puts on the real Arabic accent when he says that.

00:16:20.580 And he goes, so what are you guys?

00:16:22.600 And they go, we're Israeli.

00:16:24.060 He goes, how are you Israeli?

00:16:25.920 They're like, we were born here.

00:16:27.800 He goes, oh, okay.

00:16:29.140 So, if I was born on a plane, what would I be?

00:16:35.020 And they're like, it was funny because what, these kids were taking it really in good faith.

00:16:40.520 They were genuinely good kids.

00:16:43.100 And they go, well, so one of the kids was like, well, it depends on the law of the land.

00:16:47.780 Like in America, he goes, I believe that if you're born over America, you're actually then given American citizenship.

00:16:55.380 He goes, but, or it could be from where you came from.

00:16:58.120 And he goes, but no, what if I was born?

00:17:00.540 He goes, he's debating these little kids on the most nonsensical positions.

00:17:05.820 He goes, well, what if you're born over the Atlantic Ocean?

00:17:09.180 Are you Atlantic?

00:17:11.320 And the kid, like, because they're kids, they were just going back to, it depends what the law of each side of where you came from.

00:17:18.780 He goes, no, but based on what you're saying, because you're born in Israel, that makes you Israeli.

00:17:23.020 And so I walked away from that.

00:17:25.900 Like, obviously you're just, you know, angry to see that this adult is taking these little kids who are coming at him in good faith and positioning the most, you know, dishonest and bad faith kind of argument.

00:17:43.260 And when, hold on.

00:17:45.540 So really, though, when you look at and unpack what he's saying, it's the most racist thing you can say, because essentially you're saying that anybody that is not from that country can never have citizenship of a particular country.

00:17:58.520 And so if you apply that even to him, where's he based?

00:18:01.460 Isn't he based in America?

00:18:02.520 If I remember correctly, he is based in America.

00:18:07.860 He was not born in Palestine.

00:18:10.960 He was born in America.

00:18:12.240 So why does he claim to be Palestinian if he was born in America?

00:18:15.500 He's American.

00:18:16.480 No, no.

00:18:16.940 According to him, no, no.

00:18:18.160 That would work with his argument.

00:18:20.560 He'll go, he's Palestinian. 1.00

00:18:21.560 He's not American. 1.00

00:18:23.080 So then, but based on that, get out of America. 0.54

00:18:25.760 And based on that, fine, it works good for your little story, but you're telling me now, because, you know, in Australia, in America, you have people that come from all around the world.

00:18:37.520 And so you're essentially saying that I'm not Australian.

00:18:41.700 You're essentially saying all the Muslims that come here and who are proud to be Australian are suddenly not Australian because their grandparents weren't born here.

00:18:52.600 So it is, it is by definition, the most racist argument you can make.

00:18:58.120 And he is somebody that I'm assuming I don't watch enough about that identifies with the left.

00:19:05.280 And this goes against everything that they ever say.

00:19:09.020 They're like open arms.

00:19:10.080 Everybody can come.

00:19:10.920 We are one country.

00:19:12.680 So to me, I just find that this obsession that people have with these kind of content creators that do target kids and make what they would usually consider the most racist arguments.

00:19:27.300 Why is there this suddenly this kind of, why do you think that there is suddenly they ignore the undertone, the clearly racist position it's coming from?

00:19:36.620 Why suddenly does racism not matter to them on the left, the people that usually scream and cry about it?

00:19:42.680 Like if you told an Arab to these people that you're not here in Australia or in Canada or whatever, that you're not, you're not, you can never be that.

00:19:52.200 You can never be Australian. 1.00

00:19:53.500 You can never be American. 1.00

00:19:55.040 They will curse you out as a racist.

00:19:58.080 Why do they give him a free pass?

00:19:59.700 You know, to your point that you said that Hamza is with the left.

00:20:06.960 I don't think Hamza is with the left.

00:20:08.700 I feel like there's some sort of, some sort of bond between two sides that are on opposite sides, Islamist and the left, because Hamza identifies with Islam and he more, more than the left.

00:20:22.800 But right now they're seeing that there is a common mission to get rid of Israel. 0.94

00:20:28.440 So the most absurd groups of people, gays for Palestine and Muslims, for some reason conspire together for a greater mission, which is getting rid of the Jews. 0.99

00:20:42.780 You know, so Hamza to me is not with the left. 0.93

00:20:44.780 You know what, even accepting, I don't know enough about him to say that he's, whether he's an Islamist or a leftist and there is that often that, you know, that unholy alliance we call it.

00:20:55.160 But even taking the Islamist position, they're the ones in Australia, the Islamists will rally if you say they're not Australian.

00:21:03.460 They will call you a racist if you say they're not Australian.

00:21:06.360 So why suddenly do they get a free pass to claim that this Israeli kids that were, that their grandparents were chased out of their home, homes in the Middle East and found refuge in Israel and were born and bred in Israel?

00:21:22.660 How does he get a free pass to suddenly call that kid not Israeli?

00:21:27.500 That's a good question.

00:21:29.460 I know I should probably pose it to him, but I'm wondering if you have a theory.

00:21:33.940 I mean, I feel like nothing, listen, if you truly have history on your side, then it shouldn't be really difficult to understand.

00:21:43.380 It shouldn't be that difficult to understand.

00:21:45.640 But because history is not on their side, they'll do everything in their power to make it seem like it's absurd that Israelis are Israelis and Australians are Australians.

00:21:55.200 And I mean, they'll use whatever tools they have to delegitimize the Jewish people connection to the land.

00:22:01.380 And by the way, we can say that also the Arabs who have connection to the land as well, that's fine.

00:22:05.920 Nobody's telling the Arabs of the land to leave.

00:22:07.620 You can live here in peace as long as you don't try to kill us.

00:22:10.360 But they use whatever tools they have to delegitimize us.

00:22:14.860 And also, he likes to say that he is connected to the Canaanites.

00:22:18.980 How come?

00:22:19.800 Nobody has any connection to the Canaanites.

00:22:21.660 Why?

00:22:21.940 You want to overpower the Jews? 1.00

00:22:23.660 This is actually an interesting conversation because I don't know if you've seen that show on Prime, The Kingdom of David.

00:22:31.980 Have you seen that?

00:22:34.560 Oh, okay.

00:22:35.280 I didn't know.

00:22:35.700 This was just like my friend told me the other day to watch it.

00:22:38.320 My wife and I were...

00:22:39.940 The House of David.

00:22:40.800 Yeah.

00:22:41.340 The House of David.

00:22:42.120 And we watched it.

00:22:42.940 We actually watched it like over the last two days.

00:22:45.420 And what's funny is my wife's not Jewish. 0.67

00:22:47.740 In fact, she has two Muslim kids.

00:22:51.660 So completely approaches these things from like this ground of wanting to understand and loving the people involved.

00:23:01.020 And so when we're watching the show, so it comes up to obviously there's a big war with the Philistines. 0.74

00:23:06.980 And she's like, oh, wait, is that the Palestinians? 0.96

00:23:10.560 I thought the Palestinians were not like mentioned.

00:23:12.760 And I go, no, no, no.

00:23:14.320 You'll never hear the Palestinians calling themselves Philistines.

00:23:18.500 I go, because that undermines their entire argument.

00:23:22.180 Because look up where the Philistines come from. 1.00

00:23:24.780 And she's Googling. 1.00

00:23:25.760 And she goes, oh, they're from like an island next to one of the Greek islands or something like that.

00:23:30.480 And it's like, exactly.

00:23:31.720 And it's funny when they want to, when they need to legitimize themselves, they will go back to something like the Canaanites.

00:23:38.820 And it's like, so why are you not called the Canaanites now?

00:23:41.620 Why did you change your history through that?

00:23:44.100 And it was just like an eye-opening moment for even somebody like my wife to go, holy crap, there is so much distortion and weaponizing of language to justify their position. 1.00

00:23:59.700 And the position is quite clear.

00:24:01.080 The position is not, you know, two peoples in one land, you know, or two states.

00:24:07.020 It's never like that.

00:24:07.660 It's like, no, it's we, this is our land.

00:24:11.340 We belong here.

00:24:12.160 You have no right to this.

00:24:14.640 And you need to go back to where you come from.

00:24:17.900 And it's just, like you said, history is just not on their side.

00:24:22.080 So they need to play all these different tactics to kind of justify it.

00:24:28.360 But you don't see it in any other conflict.

00:24:30.840 So, like, when you go around the world, there's three ways in which people get a nation state, right?

00:24:37.020 There's through conquest, which I'm in a country in Australia, which we got it legitimately via conquest. 0.99

00:24:44.460 If we didn't get it, it's like that meme that all the Jew haters love to play of that one stupid fat settler in Israel that was, like, you know, caught on camera. 0.99

00:24:57.080 And they go, why are you here? 1.00

00:25:00.420 If I don't take it, somebody else will. 1.00

00:25:03.040 And as stupid as that is, if you apply that logic to the West, like in Australia, it's also true. 0.99

00:25:09.840 Like, if somebody, if we didn't come and conquer this land, if the Brits didn't take it, they'll probably be speaking Chinese right now. 1.00

00:25:18.640 Yeah.

00:25:18.840 So, so it's either through conquest, which is.

00:25:22.060 This specific portion that you just said, the Palestinians, the pro-Palestinians around the world love to show that video with no context whatsoever.

00:25:30.460 These people have not been paying rent for years.

00:25:33.700 For years, they were squatters.

00:25:35.500 So, if you don't pay rent, you need to leave the house.

00:25:38.000 It's very simple.

00:25:39.040 But they like to play that small little clip.

00:25:40.200 Like you're saying, in that particular clip where they were squatting in the house.

00:25:44.380 And, yes, I get what you're saying.

00:25:45.860 But even taking it on face value, it's pretty funny because if you apply that same logic, it's almost uniquely only ever applied to Israel.

00:25:55.200 This idea that conquest doesn't mean you own it.

00:26:00.980 So, there's conquest.

00:26:02.040 But then if you don't want to play the conquest, if you don't like the conquest, if you're one of these people that subscribe, like in Australia, there are people.

00:26:07.400 There's the far left subscribe to the idea that this is actually indigenous land because they have 65,000.

00:26:15.280 Well, every year it tends to grow the length of the history.

00:26:18.420 But I think now they're up to 65,000 or 70,000 years of history on this land, which they can't even prove anywhere close to what there is.

00:26:27.200 There's archaeological clear evidence of Jewish life in Israel or what they call Palestine as indigenous people or at least far longer than the so-called Palestinians.

00:26:40.660 So, you have the indigenous argument works for the Jews as well there.

00:26:44.420 And somehow they dismiss that.

00:26:46.300 So, usually it's the right that accepts conquest.

00:26:49.580 Usually it's the left that accepts the indigenous argument.

00:26:54.920 And then you have, obviously, generally an idea that's accepted globally today is if it's a country that's been recognized by the United Nations.

00:27:09.360 But they have all three.

00:27:11.100 There's a fourth one, the most important one.

00:27:14.680 Exactly.

00:27:15.680 Well, I don't necessarily – you see, I don't subscribe to biblical being –

00:27:20.920 Not because of a biblical perspective of our side.

00:27:23.880 It's actually in their side.

00:27:25.800 It's in their Quran.

00:27:27.120 But I use that as historical.

00:27:29.840 See, when I ever get into that conversation, I use the fact that it's in our Torah, in the New Testament, and also in their Quran as evidence that I subscribe to any of the religious times or whatever.

00:27:42.000 It's a historical – it's the best written history that we have that we all agree on to argue the indigenous argument, to argue that Jews were there first.

00:27:54.720 But for some reason, why is it that in this one conversation, in this one conflict, is it none of those are accepted by the groups that usually accept those arguments?

00:28:06.900 Because we're Jews.

00:28:09.500 And nobody accepts the Jews. 1.00

00:28:11.180 Nobody accepts our arguments.

00:28:12.760 Nobody – but everybody will accept anybody else.

00:28:15.080 Nobody is questioning the existence of America.

00:28:17.800 Nobody's – you know what?

00:28:19.000 That's actually a very good comparison.

00:28:20.680 Listen, Pakistan was created –

00:28:24.140 Same year.

00:28:24.820 More or less the same year.

00:28:26.600 Created 14 million refugees, 7 million on each side, approximately 100,000 cases of rape. 1.00

00:28:34.680 Yet nobody's questioning the existence of Pakistan. 1.00

00:28:38.480 I don't know why.

00:28:39.260 Yet Israel was formed legally, legally by the League of Nations, legally by the UN, legally by land purchases, legally by a defensive war, because it's perfectly fine to occupy land in a defensive war that you did not start. 0.65

00:28:54.000 Yet people will still question.

00:28:56.000 Why?

00:28:57.640 Because we have 2 billion people against us.

00:29:00.620 And those 2 billion people will keep spreading that false narrative that we are not the right people, we are not indigenous, despite the fact that we tell them,

00:29:07.820 We are willing to share the land with Arabs as long as you don't threaten to kill us.

00:29:13.140 We are willing, but they are not willing to accept the fact that Israel is a Jewish state, purely because of a theological reason.

00:29:20.500 It was conquered by Muslims, and it must be conquered again because this land belongs to Islam. 1.00

00:29:26.240 That's my argument.

00:29:27.120 I know that some people may not agree, but this whole conflict is a theological argument.

00:29:33.440 The whole thing, we are attacked because we're Jews, and they are Islamist. 0.97

00:29:36.820 Islamist, when we are killed, it is chanted, Allah-u-Akbar, when we are killed, when we are slaughtered.

00:29:43.680 And I don't know if it's necessarily your view, but it is my view. 0.91

00:29:46.620 That's why I try to convey to my viewers, again, nothing against Muslims. 0.97

00:29:50.520 Islamist, radical Islamist, are incredibly dangerous to this world. 1.00

00:29:56.020 Incredibly dangerous to this world. 0.97

00:29:58.000 And quite frankly, most of the conversations that I had on this app with people who don't like me were Islamist.

00:30:04.740 Right off the bat, they saw me.

00:30:06.000 They saw my flag.

00:30:06.780 They cursed me right away.

00:30:07.700 They cursed my mother.

00:30:08.560 They cursed my sister.

00:30:09.800 And there's no way to have a decent conversation with these people.

00:30:12.940 No way.

00:30:13.480 And they'll distort the facts, distort history, distort their Quran, distort our Bible. 1.00

00:30:17.580 They will say that Moses was a Muslim. 0.64

00:30:21.680 Oh, yeah.

00:30:21.960 Why? 0.99

00:30:22.800 We're trying to overpower the Jews again. 1.00

00:30:24.280 Because everyone's Muslim. 0.99

00:30:24.460 It's the easiest argument.

00:30:25.480 Everyone's a Muslim.

00:30:26.860 You win every argument like that because everyone was a Muslim. 1.00

00:30:29.580 No, I tend to agree with you.

00:30:31.800 I think that, and I would go further.

00:30:33.860 I would say that it's the Islamists, which unfortunately by definition, they're actually just people that practice their own religion properly. 0.98

00:30:42.900 They're the ones not skipping over the parts that are uncomfortable to them.

00:30:47.200 But beyond that is the problem goes far beyond that.

00:30:50.640 You say two billion people because you're talking about the broader, the majority of the Muslim world.

00:30:55.360 Because even the rest of them that are not quote unquote Islamists, they are going to, they side with them. 0.69

00:31:04.820 So at best they'll stay quiet.

00:31:07.300 Look, today the Abraham Accords changed things for me. 0.99

00:31:12.260 I finally got to see a glimpse and a chance of real genuine peace.

00:31:18.060 And I think it's probably an example of progression in Islam.

00:31:21.940 So in the direction that it needs to go, just like Christianity and Judaism did do, Islam needs that to be able to reform itself. 0.99

00:31:31.680 Unfortunately, it's a much bigger quest just because the foundation of Islam is a lot more violent. 1.00

00:31:40.040 You know, if you look at the life of Muhammad himself, like you have, yes, you have the peaceful Muhammad in the beginning. 0.60

00:31:44.480 And then you have the warlord who went out killing and raping Jews, you know.

00:31:48.300 So there's, it is, to be able to get to that point where they're reforming and also in itself, it is a conquering faith.

00:31:55.920 It believes in, you know, that every Muslim believes at the end of the day, the entire world is going to, by force, become an Islamic state, which I don't think most Westerners understand that concept.

00:32:07.620 Why do you think we're losing, um, the PR war? 0.99

00:32:13.720 Because at the end of the day, Israel and, and by extension, I think, even though there are people, a lot of people who think that they're America first, Australia first or whatever, who are jumping on board by being those useful idiots. 0.98

00:32:28.240 Why do you think we are losing the PR war? 0.98

00:32:30.620 Is it just a numbers game?

00:32:32.020 Is it the fact that we're outnumbered?

00:32:33.500 Is it logical versus emotional?

00:32:38.520 Emotional will always be logical, no matter how many stats you share with people, no matter how many, but the people, if they, if you see a picture of a dead baby, people will not resonate with your logical point.

00:32:53.000 Never.

00:32:53.960 My point is this, if we want to win the PR war, and by the way, I talked about this many, many times.

00:33:01.740 There's a folder on Telegram with all of the graphic images that happened on October 7th.

00:33:06.560 The moment people see it, it's done.

00:33:08.980 It's a done deal.

00:33:10.160 People will say, what?

00:33:11.740 We have never, we were never shown this side of the story.

00:33:14.560 We were only told that the IDF is committing a genocide in Gaza.

00:33:19.360 We were told that the IDF is targeting children.

00:33:22.000 We were told that the IDF is targeting women, but they're never showing what actually matters.

00:33:27.440 The reason why we're fighting, the reason why we're fighting, and I ask people all the time, why are we in Gaza? 0.94

00:33:32.580 So people say, because you want to kill kids.

00:33:34.580 That's not true. 0.99

00:33:35.260 We're in Gaza because we want to bring back our hostages and make sure that that sick organization is going to be wiped off of the face of the planet. 0.87

00:33:42.000 But the moment they see what they did on October 7th, the moment they see what they did with their GoPros right here, documenting everything, people change their minds.

00:33:53.020 When people see that Thai person, his head was almost chopped off. 1.00

00:33:57.360 Ridiculous. 0.99

00:33:58.260 People change their minds. 0.98

00:33:59.480 We need to play the same game that they are playing.

00:34:02.600 It's working for them because people react way better to emotional.

00:34:06.440 Israel's made it kind of their mission because there is that hour and a half, whatever, special film that the IDF have played for journalists around the world, but they don't release it publicly.

00:34:21.280 Why are they working so hard not to make it easy for people to access that information?

00:34:29.200 And where can people find it?

00:34:30.240 For people who want to find it, do you know off the top of your head?

00:34:33.380 Yes.

00:34:34.060 Hamas-massacre.net.

00:34:36.860 That's the website I recommend you to go.

00:34:38.860 Everything is there.

00:34:39.920 Divided into sections of mass rape, of whatever.

00:34:45.000 Everything is there. 0.92

00:34:45.700 Everything is there.

00:34:46.300 Hamas-massacre.net.

00:34:48.560 That's the best source that I found.

00:34:50.440 And there's also more graphic groups on Telegram that I think 1,000 people joined because of a link that I shared with my followers.

00:34:57.880 And people are seeing it and they reply back, this is sick.

00:35:01.640 I can't believe I'm watching this.

00:35:03.760 People are not exposed to the side.

00:35:05.600 And the reason why I think Israel is not sharing it with the people is because they really want to respect the dead.

00:35:11.480 It's a different, again, it's a different mentality.

00:35:15.080 In the Muslim world, it's no problem to show dead people. 1.00

00:35:17.980 No problem to disrespect the dead.

00:35:19.660 In Jewish faith, in the Jewish faith, you cannot just desecrate the dead.

00:35:24.060 You can't show them.

00:35:25.540 It's not allowed.

00:35:27.220 So we're not showing.

00:35:28.720 But I have a completely different mind.

00:35:30.900 This is our survival is at stake here.

00:35:34.000 Our survival is at stake.

00:35:35.260 People need to see what happened to us when we were attacked.

00:35:38.440 People need to see.

00:35:39.560 So Hamas-massacre.net is the best source for you. 0.99

00:35:41.920 Okay, before I let you go, you said, I just want to put you up on one point, which I need to unpack a little further.

00:35:48.680 Because you said the reason you think we're losing it, they're winning it, is because it's emotional versus logical.

00:35:56.240 Now, I get that because, you know, we've seen a shift now.

00:36:02.320 But if you apply it to other issues.

00:36:03.880 So until now, until, to be honest, Trump's administration, this time around, it seemed like things like, let's talk about the trans issues, was leaping ahead when it came to the emotional.

00:36:16.360 And yes, because the left subscribed to emotional and the right was subscribing to this.

00:36:21.520 Let's be logical about it.

00:36:24.000 Let's be practical.

00:36:24.940 Let's be scientific about it.

00:36:26.640 But, you know, there was headwinds, they were winning, and then suddenly it reached a peak madness where people go, no, enough is enough.

00:36:35.440 And everybody's kind of pushed back.

00:36:38.540 And now, finally, logic is winning.

00:36:42.920 How come that doesn't happen with this specific issue?

00:36:49.000 Why is logical not winning here?

00:36:51.580 So here it is a numbers game, because I'm sure you're, you know, you're a member on X, and you see the number of people sharing the same footage, the same images of graphic things that we see on social media.

00:37:06.540 Most of them are not necessarily true, but that's what they do.

00:37:09.720 So when you have, you know, by the way, and this problem is shared by a lot more people than the trans issue in the United States or different parts of the world.

00:37:16.800 It's shared by millions of people.

00:37:19.240 And when you see it by millions of people from different sources, from YouTube, from X, from TikTok, from Instagram, then how can you ignore?

00:37:26.320 How can you ignore?

00:37:27.100 And when people attach the word genocide to it, how can you ignore?

00:37:30.540 I promise you that if people would have done the same thing with what happened in Syria or with what's happening in Sudan or with what's happening in Yemen, I'm sure more people would have been aware.

00:37:43.340 But nobody cares about other Muslims. 1.00

00:37:45.380 Nobody cares.

00:37:46.800 Well, you don't, you definitely don't have the two billion of them.

00:37:50.660 Millions.

00:37:51.100 We will share in the millions. 1.00

00:37:52.200 And we will make sure that the Jews will look damn evils. 1.00

00:37:55.060 And we'll call them Zios to hide the fact that we hate Jews. 1.00

00:37:57.480 We'll call them Zios. 1.00

00:37:58.300 We're not going to call them Jews.

00:37:59.220 We'll call them Zios just to hide our anti-Semitism towards them. 1.00

00:38:03.960 So it's a numbers game.

00:38:05.760 What you said, plus emotional.

00:38:08.100 When you combine these together, you win the PR war.

00:38:11.420 You can't do anything about it.

00:38:12.340 I do, I agree with that.

00:38:14.240 I do believe that there is, you know, as soon as you post something, suddenly you're inundated with, like, it's just insane the level, the amount, and the kind of people that are aligning each other.

00:38:26.500 Like you said, you have the Islamists and the leftists.

00:38:29.720 But I think on top of that is also you have the right.

00:38:31.720 So you have, like, this horseshoe theory in which they both meet. 0.99

00:38:34.780 And the Islamists are in the middle just using whichever useful idiot suits them for that particular argument. 0.98

00:38:39.940 And that's what's so funny about these people is that their argument can shift based on who they're talking to. 0.97

00:38:46.780 And that's why I love what you do because I think that you actually force them into a position.

00:38:52.000 I have a question for you because you've done the same thing as me.

00:38:54.940 You've been going on this app and talking to people.

00:38:57.200 How many times when you talk to people and you really talk sense into them because I've seen your conversations.

00:39:02.160 You're very respectful, super good-looking guy.

00:39:05.500 You can transfer a point very well.

00:39:08.320 Well, how many times when you gave them a super good point, they said, brother, they're children.

00:39:14.800 You're talking about children.

00:39:17.960 Notice, you're talking about something logical because any other country would have done exactly the same.

00:39:23.640 But then they have to resort back to the emotional because the emotional is way stronger.

00:39:28.240 It's way stronger.

00:39:28.980 We have to play this game as well if we want to win because our emotional story, the reason why we're doing this,

00:39:34.460 is stemming from the most horrific thing that happened to the Jewish people.

00:39:38.780 The way they counter that is they just go, yeah, that was horrible, but that's only 1,200.

00:39:43.900 You're talking about 60 to 1 billion people.

00:39:48.060 It depends which Hamas number you take. 0.65

00:39:50.860 Beautiful, beautiful.

00:39:51.940 But what would have happened if those 1,200 people would not have been killed by Hamas?

00:39:55.880 How many people in Gaza would have been alive today? 0.93

00:39:58.080 Yeah, yeah.

00:39:59.200 It's true.

00:39:59.980 Those are the counter arguments and you do execute them really well.

00:40:04.580 Excuse the use of that word in this context.

00:40:07.540 But no, I do love what you do.

00:40:10.200 Now, for people that want to follow what you're doing, which I highly recommend, how can they find you?

00:40:15.860 So, I'm trying to grow my YouTube the most right now.

00:40:20.020 YouTube is OfficialSaharTV.

00:40:22.220 You can do it on TikTok and Instagram, same username, OfficialSaharTV.

00:40:26.180 And yeah, that's it.

00:40:27.380 I do live debates.

00:40:28.920 I talk to people on stream.

00:40:31.000 And it's actually becoming from a very toxic environment.

00:40:35.520 People are actually connecting together.

00:40:37.060 And it's absolutely amazing to discuss these topics with sometimes knowledgeable people and sometimes not so knowledgeable people.

00:40:45.140 Really, it's amazing.

00:40:46.520 And I'm sure you're going to enjoy it.

00:40:47.520 I do enjoy it.

00:40:48.640 Look, there's not many other people I like to watch.

00:40:50.480 My wife always makes fun of me that I like to watch back my own videos.

00:40:53.940 But now we can throw some of your videos.

00:40:56.240 And there's some other guys.

00:40:57.360 There's a guy that sings in their language perfectly.

00:41:03.760 He shocks every single one of them.

00:41:05.240 And then he tells them he's Israeli.

00:41:07.080 He's unbelievable.

00:41:08.640 You've got your friend, Yav, as well.

00:41:11.100 There's a few people doing it.

00:41:12.200 And I think it's so important at this time that at least there's a little bit of light on the internet.

00:41:19.980 At a point in time that we're going to look back and we're going to think it was, I think, you guys who managed to shift at least at some point keeping it up.

00:41:30.140 It's so much easier to crawl into a little hole and dig your head in the sand and just wait for it to all pass.

00:41:36.100 But I don't think it will pass unless we have people like you doing what you're doing.

00:41:40.020 So I think on behalf of everyone, thank you for doing what you do.

00:41:44.100 And thank you for joining us today.

00:41:45.300 I'd like to thank you personally because a real Jew with no trembling knees looks exactly like Avi Amini right here. 0.83

00:41:56.280 This man has done some crazy videos.

00:41:58.600 And I told him personally, I don't know how you're doing this because I've been to protests in Washington.

00:42:02.940 I've been to protests in New York City.

00:42:04.660 Going face-to-face with these people and talking to them is really one of the scariest things because you never know what they can pull out of their pocket, what they can do crazy.

00:42:14.580 So this guy right here is a true, true brave – he may call it maybe – I don't know.

00:42:21.380 You called it something else when I told you you were brave.

00:42:25.540 But I think you're absolutely incredible.

00:42:28.020 Absolutely incredible.

00:42:28.780 Look, the thing that I look at is, of course, you get afraid in those situations.

00:42:35.900 I think adrenaline just helps you sometimes.

00:42:38.600 But I find that easier for me.

00:42:40.500 To be honest, I've tried a little bit of doing the online stuff and I find kind of getting into the conversation, the rhythm's harder.

00:42:47.700 And you've got to have super patience in just waiting until you land on somebody that can string a sentence together and formulate an argument besides for just swearing at you or whatever.

00:42:59.600 Whereas on the street, they're kind of there to get their message across.

00:43:03.780 You're going to a place in which they want to tell you what they think.

00:43:08.540 And then, obviously, I rock up there.

00:43:10.280 But do I get scared?

00:43:11.120 Of course I get scared. 1.00

00:43:12.260 You'd be stupid not to get scared at certain points. 0.99

00:43:14.800 But that's why I have a massive security guard. 1.00

00:43:18.740 He kind of numbs that fear.

00:43:20.220 But sometimes, you know, even security doesn't help us.

00:43:22.540 But I do love and I'll keep being inspired by your work and I might try it a couple more times.

00:43:30.660 But they don't need me.

00:43:32.420 We've got you.

00:43:33.720 Really appreciate it, man.

00:43:34.940 And I know it's really late by you.

00:43:36.340 So we're going to let you go.

00:43:37.980 But we'll be following your work.

00:43:41.100 And I think hopefully one day soon we'll catch up in person.

00:43:45.620 Thank you so much, brother, for having me.

00:43:47.360 And yeah, we'll catch up in person soon, hopefully.

Rebel News Podcast - July 16, 2025

AVI YEMINI ｜ Exposing the TRUTH about anti-Israel propaganda

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