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00:00:46.580Welcome back to the Yamini Report. Today we have a special guest that I'm excited to talk to.
00:00:52.000But for those of you who don't know Saha, I'll just give you a little taste.
00:00:59.300You motherf***er still going into Syria because you want more land because you think there's part of Syria that belongs to the Israeli part of f***ing Lebanon.
00:01:05.860Why would we give back the Sinai Peninsula for peace? Why would we do it? It was filled with oil and beautiful things. Why would we give it back?
00:01:30.960No, Syria's not free. What's happening to the Christians in Syria? What's happening to the Jews in Syria? By Al-Tahrir, by the brigades? What's happening?
00:01:37.420You're good. I'm not going to lie. You maintain this peace that makes me want to... It makes me so more infuriated and seeking a lot of peace.
00:01:44.300That's exactly why this peace is so good and why it's working on social media.
00:01:47.680Fucking good. I mean, it's fucking good.
00:01:52.920Word-twisting. Is it not happening to the Christians in Syria? Is it not happening to the Jews in Syria? Are they not being killed by Muslims?
00:01:58.600The Christians in Israel? Jews don't even think Christians should live.
00:02:01.840I'm a Jew. I think Christians should live in Israel, just like Jews should live in Israel and Arabs should live in Israel.
00:02:05.880As long as we live in peace and don't start shit up, everybody can live here in peace.
00:11:50.080So, now, in these conversations, what have been your, well, these debates, what has been, I guess, from your perspective, the most shocking thing you've found or the most shocking interaction?
00:12:05.140Well, my most shocking interaction was not even filmed.
00:12:12.780That was, that's how I realized that I should be filming these interactions.
00:12:30.360We were able to get him to relax and have a decent conversation with us.
00:12:36.120And then he asked us, well, okay, so you're telling me I can go, like, I can visit Israel and nobody's going to try to kill me because he was brainwashed.
00:12:47.320People are going to try to kill him even if he steps foot in Israel.
00:13:13.580I was like, I have to record what I'm doing because this is so important for people to see, so important for people to listen to because that's the side of the story.
00:13:26.260Westerners are not aware of the Middle East.
00:13:31.400And people like you and people like me are here to expose it.
00:13:34.040So that was my most shocking conversation.
00:13:36.660Absolutely most shocking conversation.
00:13:38.160So you did mention before, and I know some of the viewers here won't even know what you're talking about, referencing the Palestinian that does the same thing that kind of, in a way, sounds like inspired you to do it.
00:13:52.120Tell us a bit about him and then tell us about your interaction and what you found with him.
00:13:58.080Because I do know, you know, when we see two people who are doing almost the same thing on opposite ends of the spectrum, it is kind of you and this guy.
00:14:07.880He's all over TikTok, and I have noticed, you know, when he popped up live, I see he's generally talking to kids.
00:14:15.720And I've gone on and done some of these live stuff because of you.
00:14:23.880I don't know if it is my game, but when I see, the point I'm making is that when I see kids, I just skip over them because I'm just like, I'm not going to engage with kids.
00:14:33.940But it looks like he's intentionally talking to kids.
00:14:36.640Tell us who he is and what you found from your interaction and a bit more about that.
00:14:54.740And the reason why he's speaking to children is because he knows that in order to demonize the people of Israel, you need to show people that the children are treating him like crap and trash.
00:15:08.100So, he talks to children who already know him from social media.
00:15:14.360So, as soon as they see him, they curse him because they see what he does.
00:15:18.360And then he captures these moments as if those children were taught to hate, were taught to curse, and he's acting like an innocent little boy speaking to these children.
00:15:29.160Now, if you have just a little bit of intelligence, can't you see that children are not the right people to talk about this topic with?
00:15:48.020Like, he's old enough to know that you don't bring children into the conversation.
00:15:51.880You talk to somebody at least over the age of 18.
00:15:54.700And I'll tell you now, the other day I actually, he popped up and I was watching live and he was talking to kids and they were actually genuinely nice Israeli kids.
00:16:07.060And he was saying, so what, so one kid, he was saying, so your grandparents were from Iran, your grandparents are from, they're Iraq.
00:16:17.120And, you know, and he puts on the real Arabic accent when he says that.
00:17:25.900Like, obviously you're just, you know, angry to see that this adult is taking these little kids who are coming at him in good faith and positioning the most, you know, dishonest and bad faith kind of argument.
00:17:45.540So really, though, when you look at and unpack what he's saying, it's the most racist thing you can say, because essentially you're saying that anybody that is not from that country can never have citizenship of a particular country.
00:17:58.520And so if you apply that even to him, where's he based?
00:18:23.080So then, but based on that, get out of America.
00:18:25.760And based on that, fine, it works good for your little story, but you're telling me now, because, you know, in Australia, in America, you have people that come from all around the world.
00:18:37.520And so you're essentially saying that I'm not Australian.
00:18:41.700You're essentially saying all the Muslims that come here and who are proud to be Australian are suddenly not Australian because their grandparents weren't born here.
00:18:52.600So it is, it is by definition, the most racist argument you can make.
00:18:58.120And he is somebody that I'm assuming I don't watch enough about that identifies with the left.
00:19:05.280And this goes against everything that they ever say.
00:19:12.680So to me, I just find that this obsession that people have with these kind of content creators that do target kids and make what they would usually consider the most racist arguments.
00:19:27.300Why is there this suddenly this kind of, why do you think that there is suddenly they ignore the undertone, the clearly racist position it's coming from?
00:19:36.620Why suddenly does racism not matter to them on the left, the people that usually scream and cry about it?
00:19:42.680Like if you told an Arab to these people that you're not here in Australia or in Canada or whatever, that you're not, you're not, you can never be that.
00:20:08.700I feel like there's some sort of, some sort of bond between two sides that are on opposite sides, Islamist and the left, because Hamza identifies with Islam and he more, more than the left.
00:20:22.800But right now they're seeing that there is a common mission to get rid of Israel.
00:20:28.440So the most absurd groups of people, gays for Palestine and Muslims, for some reason conspire together for a greater mission, which is getting rid of the Jews.
00:20:42.780You know, so Hamza to me is not with the left.
00:20:44.780You know what, even accepting, I don't know enough about him to say that he's, whether he's an Islamist or a leftist and there is that often that, you know, that unholy alliance we call it.
00:20:55.160But even taking the Islamist position, they're the ones in Australia, the Islamists will rally if you say they're not Australian.
00:21:03.460They will call you a racist if you say they're not Australian.
00:21:06.360So why suddenly do they get a free pass to claim that this Israeli kids that were, that their grandparents were chased out of their home, homes in the Middle East and found refuge in Israel and were born and bred in Israel?
00:21:22.660How does he get a free pass to suddenly call that kid not Israeli?
00:21:29.460I know I should probably pose it to him, but I'm wondering if you have a theory.
00:21:33.940I mean, I feel like nothing, listen, if you truly have history on your side, then it shouldn't be really difficult to understand.
00:21:43.380It shouldn't be that difficult to understand.
00:21:45.640But because history is not on their side, they'll do everything in their power to make it seem like it's absurd that Israelis are Israelis and Australians are Australians.
00:21:55.200And I mean, they'll use whatever tools they have to delegitimize the Jewish people connection to the land.
00:22:01.380And by the way, we can say that also the Arabs who have connection to the land as well, that's fine.
00:22:05.920Nobody's telling the Arabs of the land to leave.
00:22:07.620You can live here in peace as long as you don't try to kill us.
00:22:10.360But they use whatever tools they have to delegitimize us.
00:22:14.860And also, he likes to say that he is connected to the Canaanites.
00:23:31.720And it's funny when they want to, when they need to legitimize themselves, they will go back to something like the Canaanites.
00:23:38.820And it's like, so why are you not called the Canaanites now?
00:23:41.620Why did you change your history through that?
00:23:44.100And it was just like an eye-opening moment for even somebody like my wife to go, holy crap, there is so much distortion and weaponizing of language to justify their position.
00:24:14.640And you need to go back to where you come from.
00:24:17.900And it's just, like you said, history is just not on their side.
00:24:22.080So they need to play all these different tactics to kind of justify it.
00:24:28.360But you don't see it in any other conflict.
00:24:30.840So, like, when you go around the world, there's three ways in which people get a nation state, right?
00:24:37.020There's through conquest, which I'm in a country in Australia, which we got it legitimately via conquest.
00:24:44.460If we didn't get it, it's like that meme that all the Jew haters love to play of that one stupid fat settler in Israel that was, like, you know, caught on camera.
00:25:18.840So, so it's either through conquest, which is.
00:25:22.060This specific portion that you just said, the Palestinians, the pro-Palestinians around the world love to show that video with no context whatsoever.
00:25:30.460These people have not been paying rent for years.
00:25:45.860But even taking it on face value, it's pretty funny because if you apply that same logic, it's almost uniquely only ever applied to Israel.
00:25:55.200This idea that conquest doesn't mean you own it.
00:26:02.040But then if you don't want to play the conquest, if you don't like the conquest, if you're one of these people that subscribe, like in Australia, there are people.
00:26:07.400There's the far left subscribe to the idea that this is actually indigenous land because they have 65,000.
00:26:15.280Well, every year it tends to grow the length of the history.
00:26:18.420But I think now they're up to 65,000 or 70,000 years of history on this land, which they can't even prove anywhere close to what there is.
00:26:27.200There's archaeological clear evidence of Jewish life in Israel or what they call Palestine as indigenous people or at least far longer than the so-called Palestinians.
00:26:40.660So, you have the indigenous argument works for the Jews as well there.
00:26:46.300So, usually it's the right that accepts conquest.
00:26:49.580Usually it's the left that accepts the indigenous argument.
00:26:54.920And then you have, obviously, generally an idea that's accepted globally today is if it's a country that's been recognized by the United Nations.
00:27:29.840See, when I ever get into that conversation, I use the fact that it's in our Torah, in the New Testament, and also in their Quran as evidence that I subscribe to any of the religious times or whatever.
00:27:42.000It's a historical – it's the best written history that we have that we all agree on to argue the indigenous argument, to argue that Jews were there first.
00:27:54.720But for some reason, why is it that in this one conversation, in this one conflict, is it none of those are accepted by the groups that usually accept those arguments?
00:28:39.260Yet Israel was formed legally, legally by the League of Nations, legally by the UN, legally by land purchases, legally by a defensive war, because it's perfectly fine to occupy land in a defensive war that you did not start.
00:28:57.640Because we have 2 billion people against us.
00:29:00.620And those 2 billion people will keep spreading that false narrative that we are not the right people, we are not indigenous, despite the fact that we tell them,
00:29:07.820We are willing to share the land with Arabs as long as you don't threaten to kill us.
00:29:13.140We are willing, but they are not willing to accept the fact that Israel is a Jewish state, purely because of a theological reason.
00:29:20.500It was conquered by Muslims, and it must be conquered again because this land belongs to Islam.
00:30:33.860I would say that it's the Islamists, which unfortunately by definition, they're actually just people that practice their own religion properly.
00:30:42.900They're the ones not skipping over the parts that are uncomfortable to them.
00:30:47.200But beyond that is the problem goes far beyond that.
00:30:50.640You say two billion people because you're talking about the broader, the majority of the Muslim world.
00:30:55.360Because even the rest of them that are not quote unquote Islamists, they are going to, they side with them.
00:31:07.300Look, today the Abraham Accords changed things for me.
00:31:12.260I finally got to see a glimpse and a chance of real genuine peace.
00:31:18.060And I think it's probably an example of progression in Islam.
00:31:21.940So in the direction that it needs to go, just like Christianity and Judaism did do, Islam needs that to be able to reform itself.
00:31:31.680Unfortunately, it's a much bigger quest just because the foundation of Islam is a lot more violent.
00:31:40.040You know, if you look at the life of Muhammad himself, like you have, yes, you have the peaceful Muhammad in the beginning.
00:31:44.480And then you have the warlord who went out killing and raping Jews, you know.
00:31:48.300So there's, it is, to be able to get to that point where they're reforming and also in itself, it is a conquering faith.
00:31:55.920It believes in, you know, that every Muslim believes at the end of the day, the entire world is going to, by force, become an Islamic state, which I don't think most Westerners understand that concept.
00:32:07.620Why do you think we're losing, um, the PR war?
00:32:13.720Because at the end of the day, Israel and, and by extension, I think, even though there are people, a lot of people who think that they're America first, Australia first or whatever, who are jumping on board by being those useful idiots.
00:32:28.240Why do you think we are losing the PR war?
00:32:38.520Emotional will always be logical, no matter how many stats you share with people, no matter how many, but the people, if they, if you see a picture of a dead baby, people will not resonate with your logical point.
00:33:35.260We're in Gaza because we want to bring back our hostages and make sure that that sick organization is going to be wiped off of the face of the planet.
00:33:42.000But the moment they see what they did on October 7th, the moment they see what they did with their GoPros right here, documenting everything, people change their minds.
00:33:53.020When people see that Thai person, his head was almost chopped off.
00:33:59.480We need to play the same game that they are playing.
00:34:02.600It's working for them because people react way better to emotional.
00:34:06.440Israel's made it kind of their mission because there is that hour and a half, whatever, special film that the IDF have played for journalists around the world, but they don't release it publicly.
00:34:21.280Why are they working so hard not to make it easy for people to access that information?
00:36:03.880So until now, until, to be honest, Trump's administration, this time around, it seemed like things like, let's talk about the trans issues, was leaping ahead when it came to the emotional.
00:36:16.360And yes, because the left subscribed to emotional and the right was subscribing to this.
00:36:51.580So here it is a numbers game, because I'm sure you're, you know, you're a member on X, and you see the number of people sharing the same footage, the same images of graphic things that we see on social media.
00:37:06.540Most of them are not necessarily true, but that's what they do.
00:37:09.720So when you have, you know, by the way, and this problem is shared by a lot more people than the trans issue in the United States or different parts of the world.
00:37:19.240And when you see it by millions of people from different sources, from YouTube, from X, from TikTok, from Instagram, then how can you ignore?
00:37:27.100And when people attach the word genocide to it, how can you ignore?
00:37:30.540I promise you that if people would have done the same thing with what happened in Syria or with what's happening in Sudan or with what's happening in Yemen, I'm sure more people would have been aware.
00:38:14.240I do believe that there is, you know, as soon as you post something, suddenly you're inundated with, like, it's just insane the level, the amount, and the kind of people that are aligning each other.
00:38:26.500Like you said, you have the Islamists and the leftists.
00:38:29.720But I think on top of that is also you have the right.
00:38:31.720So you have, like, this horseshoe theory in which they both meet.
00:38:34.780And the Islamists are in the middle just using whichever useful idiot suits them for that particular argument.
00:38:39.940And that's what's so funny about these people is that their argument can shift based on who they're talking to.
00:38:46.780And that's why I love what you do because I think that you actually force them into a position.
00:38:52.000I have a question for you because you've done the same thing as me.
00:38:54.940You've been going on this app and talking to people.
00:38:57.200How many times when you talk to people and you really talk sense into them because I've seen your conversations.
00:39:02.160You're very respectful, super good-looking guy.
00:41:12.200And I think it's so important at this time that at least there's a little bit of light on the internet.
00:41:19.980At a point in time that we're going to look back and we're going to think it was, I think, you guys who managed to shift at least at some point keeping it up.
00:41:30.140It's so much easier to crawl into a little hole and dig your head in the sand and just wait for it to all pass.
00:41:36.100But I don't think it will pass unless we have people like you doing what you're doing.
00:41:40.020So I think on behalf of everyone, thank you for doing what you do.
00:41:58.600And I told him personally, I don't know how you're doing this because I've been to protests in Washington.
00:42:02.940I've been to protests in New York City.
00:42:04.660Going face-to-face with these people and talking to them is really one of the scariest things because you never know what they can pull out of their pocket, what they can do crazy.
00:42:14.580So this guy right here is a true, true brave – he may call it maybe – I don't know.
00:42:21.380You called it something else when I told you you were brave.
00:42:25.540But I think you're absolutely incredible.
00:42:40.500To be honest, I've tried a little bit of doing the online stuff and I find kind of getting into the conversation, the rhythm's harder.
00:42:47.700And you've got to have super patience in just waiting until you land on somebody that can string a sentence together and formulate an argument besides for just swearing at you or whatever.
00:42:59.600Whereas on the street, they're kind of there to get their message across.
00:43:03.780You're going to a place in which they want to tell you what they think.