AVI YEMINI ｜ Round two： Nas Daily drops BOMBSHELL at reuinion with Avi Yemini
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Summary
In this episode of the Yamini Report, host Avi Alsindy sits down with Nasaya to discuss his political views shifting over the last 18 months, and why he thinks people should be allowed to change their mind.
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Back in May 2022, I confronted Nasdaily as he entered the World Economic Forum in Davos.
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That led to a heated debate in Dubai on everything from climate change to COVID-19.
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The public backlash seemed to rattle him, and at WEF 2023,
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Nasaya interrupted my interview with Luxembourg's Prime Minister before turning on my boss.
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Now, I thought that was it, until I noticed his political views shifting on X over the last 18
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months. Curious, I invited him onto the Yamini Report for an unscripted, no-holds-barred talk
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about our past and his changes. He said yes, and you're currently tuned in to the free audio version
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of this full, unedited conversation with Nasaya, which is solid, but pales in comparison to the
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Welcome to the show to a guest that I don't think many of my viewers need an introduction
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to. Or like. Yeah, maybe not, but maybe after this they will. You know what? You've grown
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on me and we're going to get to there in a minute. I'm scared. I'm scared to call you Nas or Nasaya
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because I got into a lot of trouble in past interactions for miscalling. What do you call
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yourself these days? Well, Nasaya is my first name. And the minute you're successful enough,
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people call you by your last name. So, see, we have the Yemeni Report, so congratulations.
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So, wait. Nas is your last name? No, no. Nas means people in Arabic. It's the company name.
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And you know what? We had this conversation because you took, because remember in the
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debate, you kept saying, no, I'm Nasaya. Use my real name. And it threw me. It threw me
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all the time. And I was like, I'm sure I didn't make this up. I'm sure. Like, I thought, oh, maybe
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I was just being lazy and I was reading his, because it's Nasdaily and everybody calls you
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Nasdaily because that's the name that you go by online. And then I'm like, I went back and I looked
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at some of your original videos and you're like, hi, it's Nasaya. I'm like, hold on, this guy.
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Okay. Avi, do you think people are allowed to change?
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No, they're allowed. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. No, a hundred percent. I'm
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somebody that I pride myself in changing. But I just want to say, it wasn't so bad that I
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got it wrong when I actually got it from you and not only from being lazy in reading.
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That's fair. But let the record show, because this is all recorded, is that I told you to
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call me Nasaya 20 times and you still called me. You did tell me a few times and I do have
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these weird things with names and it wasn't personal. I wasn't saying it to annoy you.
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I actually had this thing, like sometimes I struggle if I don't, it's not a name that
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I'm used to. I struggle to pronounce it. And then I'm like, I get into my own head as
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to, oh my God, this is going to sound so weird that I can't pronounce this guy's name.
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So it wasn't, it wasn't a tactic to throw you. I felt like the tactic was to throw me
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to keep correcting me. Anyways, I, this morning, can I, can I, can I mention something? You
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and I right now look so crazy similar. The hair is curly. It's the same as yours, the same
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facial hair. And we're using this space right here to send a message to the world. Mine is
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about living life and yours is about rebel, uh, being a rebel. So it is very interesting how
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we're both. Yeah. It's like, it's too, it's too similar. Anyway, keep going.
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Well, the funny thing is this morning, I, I, in the morning meeting at Rebel, um, I said
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to him, so for, um, for the podcast, I'm, I'm actually, I've got Naz Daily on for the
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podcast and everybody cracked up live. You're like, what? How did, how did this happen?
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Because nobody knows that we've been, you know, talking privately for the last, I don't
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know. I, I've got to look back at it, but it's, it's been probably the last.
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And we like each other's tweets, weirdly enough. What the hell happened to the world?
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Well, there we go. So it started private and then it's moved into a public space, but I
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don't, one that I don't think people necessarily have realized yet because I haven't really gotten
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into trouble for liking anything of yours yet. This podcast might change things, but I guess
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let's just go over the, the, you know, where we first met and how we got to a place that
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I think now, I know in the past I've confused the way I've read our relationship, but I think
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now, uh, we're one of mutual respect and understanding and, and agreeing to disagree on political issues,
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but seeing that we're actually not each other's enemy and correct me if you think I'm wrong.
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All right. So we first met in 2021. It was, I think the first WEF after, um, COVID. So it
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Yes. You were innocently walking down the street towards the Congress.
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Minding your own business, but you were at the World Economic Forum. So you probably were minding
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all of our businesses as well. And I, I did what I do. And I, tell us what, be more descriptive.
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What did you do? What, what, my audience knows what I do. I walk up to people and I challenge
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Uninvited. Well, that's the definition of journalism. So doorstepping is, is a journalistic tactic that
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often those that are, that are approached don't enjoy. I, I get that. Um, now we had a bit of a
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thing. Uh, you put out one version of the video that I think that I felt was a little bit unfairly
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cut to, I put one. Anyways. Um, I challenged you to a debate. You agreed. I was too much,
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too much shock. You agreed, which I gave you credit for at the time. And I came to Dubai.
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But you betrayed me. You betrayed me in that debate.
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We'll get, we'll get to it. We'll get to the bitch-o. Um, and I came to Dubai. We did the,
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we did the debate. I won the debate. Um, is this the part you're disagreeing about?
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I mean, it's like Biden saying, you know, he won the debate with Trump. It's like, yes,
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he won the debate. I'm the Biden in this situation.
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Yeah. Do you know what's funny is that back then, probably if we used that analogy of Biden
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and Trump, you would have wanted to be the Biden and you would have been happy for me to be the
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Trump. How things have changed. Um, but you know what? People can go watch. We, we actually do still,
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you know, after we left all that and all came out, I actually, or Rebel bought the URL nasdebates.com
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We have the nasdebates.com, which is your shtick. And that's where people can actually go watch
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either the little clips or the entire, I think it was like two hours.
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Why do you think, why do you think, why do you say that I, what did you say? I, I,
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That's, oh, well, okay. First of all, number one, that is insane that nasdebates goes to
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rebel.news.com slash tag slash nasdaily. How nasdaily-
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Does it come up? Does it come up? Does it come up? Wait, hold on. Does it,
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it might've been not changed to the new website nasdebates.com. Does it actually show up? Because
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if not, we'd better get this fixed. Oh, no, I don't, is that it?
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Oh, full debate, full debate. Yeah, yeah, you got it here. So, but there's one here where you can watch,
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Hold on, this is not okay. I'm going to make sure that when this goes up,
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I'm going to make sure when this goes up, um, on Tuesday that the, that this is not right,
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because they've changed the website since then. So it should have like the,
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the full unedited debate should be there. No, no, no.
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No, no, no. I, I just went to Nasdebates now. No, no, I think you put that up. No,
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I'll tell you what happened. I mean, this is like-
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What did you say? What did you say to me? You said that I, I, I can't remember what you said
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a minute ago that I betrayed you. I betrayed you. I want to know how I betrayed you.
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Well, no, it's just, uh, well, first of all, there's nothing to hide. Like it's,
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it's completely fine. But, but, but you were like secretly recording 24 seven your time in Dubai.
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And it's like, what the heck? Like, who does that? It was like, you walked into the studio
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with like full five cameras, like all recording. It's like, bro, you're not entering a war zone.
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And it's just like, so people were, people were seeing like my conversations with my team and
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it's like, nothing to hide. It's fine. If there was some crazy shit, like I'd be canceled by now.
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But it was like a really funny how like, it's imagine if I now have like five other cameras on me.
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And, but it was like, wait, and then you started showcasing my interactions with my ex-girlfriend
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back then. We're like, yeah, boyfriends and girlfriends, you know, they fight. That was like a six year
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relationship. So I was like, wow, this is like completely unnecessary, but funny. That's classic,
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Okay. It's classic. Look, I, I, I hear what you're saying. Although I, I would argue my defense.
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I don't remember clearly it is a few years ago now, but I, I do think that it was in the context
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of the putting the whole two out. Cause she came in, in middle and there was a bit of a conversation
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and she taught and then, so that was the context of it. But look, when this goes to live,
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it will be on this page so people can watch it. I think it's, I, I, you know what?
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It's funny. And it's funnier now in the context of we've come right around because what happened
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after that, I thought we were okay. Uh, but this is why I think that, why I said that things,
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uh, like, I guess I was a bit more delusional then because I think after it, I felt like,
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look, I felt like I won the debate. I feel like the internet told me even on your videos,
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when you published them that I won the debate. Um, but when I saw you the next year at the World
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Economic Forum, you were not very happy to see me. I think the first time you engaged with me was
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when I was, I was trying to, I was trying to talk to the prime minister of, um, of what's it? I think
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it's a proud of Luxembourg. Luxembourg. They're one of the richest countries. I just did what you
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did to me. I showed up uninterrupted, uninterrupted, whatever you were doing. And I was just like having
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fun. So I did the same thing to you. You were definitely having fun, but you didn't do what
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I do. Cause what I do is I interrupt and engage. You interrupted just to destroy. Can we admit that?
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Of course, but I don't think you interrupted me to build up. I think you interrupted me also to
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I didn't say to build, I didn't say to build, to engage. Like I'm come on with all the faults,
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even back then that you could say with all the faults that you, you, me, you, you, you saw in me,
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you can't say that I don't engage. I'm willing to engage. No, no, you engage for sure. For sure.
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And look, I thought it was, what's really funny. First of all, I'm so proud of that moment. And I was so
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shocked that your audience was like, Oh my God, that's so offensive. How can dare he interrupt
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other people? But that's not what people were saying. Wait, that's the whole rebel news concept
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interrupting people. I did what you do to others. So I was so shocked that that was not, it's like,
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wait a minute, this is what you do to others. So somebody should do it to you. I was so proud of
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that moment. I thought that was my peak in life. Oy vey, oy vey. I like, I hope it's not your peak in
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life. And I feel, I feel like I've, I feel like I've witnessed some moments since then that I would
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say rate a lot higher than, than that moment. And the reason why I don't think it's the same is
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because you, you, you came in, you're disrupted. And then I go, okay, you know what? He wants to talk.
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I'll go back to Naz. And I was like, still a bit trying to work out where we were because I couldn't,
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I didn't realize that there was this whole thing that happened with you, that you didn't really like
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me anymore. So I came to engage and then you ran back in and you wouldn't talk to me. And then you came back
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out and you had to go at my, uh, at my boss, you know, your boss. Is he still your boss?
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He's still my boss. Wow. That's great. Does he hate me?
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No, he was laughing this morning in the meeting that we're doing this interview. He thought you
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were unhinged at the time because it was like, what? Because like all the, all the allegations
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you were throwing at him about my personal life. It's like, number one, it was never a secret. You like,
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you would have known all that when I came to, they were just irrelevant and obvious, just personal
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attacks to try. Um, I guess the reason why, why would you, well, why am I guessing? Why would
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you say that to my boss? Okay. This turned from, this turned from like, Hey, let's,
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I think we move on in a second. I just want to know. I'm not, it's not actually.
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I'll tell you why. So I, it says, so here's, so something I do, but something I need to improve
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on is I usually cannot separate the message from the messenger, which is like, almost like separating
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the art from the artist. And it's like, okay, if somebody is living their life in a way I don't
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agree with whatever message they say, I also don't agree with it. And so this is why I'm like, okay,
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like, okay, this guy is trying to tell me how to live the world. Let me look at this guy's life.
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Yeah. And also, especially it came after you were attacking me about how I was talking to
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my ex-girlfriend back then, because it was in the secret recordings. I was like, wow,
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this guy. I don't think, I don't think I attacked the way you talk to her. Maybe.
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It was like his girlfriend coaches him on how to say things. I was like, wait, that's just like,
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so I was like, oh, this person. But I don't think I was attacking like your relationship.
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Anyways, it doesn't matter. All good. Yeah. But, but something I want to improve on is how to
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separate the message from the messenger. So it doesn't matter what I think of.
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The person. The people. It's like, yeah, the person like, let me look at the message. Do I
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like it? Do I not like it? And so this is why I was very focused. That is hard to do. That's hard
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to do on a, on a good day. Like I know I struggle with that sometimes, especially now because I look
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at people where I, not, not, not about necessarily their personal lives. And, and in my one, in that
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case, I feel like, I feel like it didn't, it was not that you didn't like my lifestyle. It was like,
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you were picking points that are easy for people to jump on board in hating me because on the face of
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it, it's very easy. Like, it's very easy. If you, if you, if, if, if you tell me like this guy and
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you say some of the things that are, I've said about me and you, and you tell me, oh, this guy is
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this, he's done that. Without any, any, any explanation, like it's really easy to go. I would
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hate that guy. You know what I mean? Like it's, and, and, and it's, it's character assassination.
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Like I get it all the time. You're like, I go to pro like, you want to know something?
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That's part of the business you're in. You want to know something funny is I go, like I,
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I've been covering protests for years, right? Rocking up to protests, some protests that,
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you know, I'm sympathetic to the cause. So I'm generally welcomed. And then other protests where
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I'm obviously not sympathetic to the cause. So whether it's like left-wing stuff or more lately,
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pro-Palestinian stuff. So I rock up there and you will not believe how many people at these
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protests in Australia that come to, that they have to go to every protest ready, because I don't go
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to every protest. I just go to ones that kind of fit what, like suit me, time or whatever.
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And, and because there's so many, you know, anti-Israel protests, I'm just not going to go.
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They're just repetitive, right? But I'll go, I'll just rock up. I'll just rock up to one
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randomly. And then you'll have five guys around me that have like chopping boards in their bag with
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Avi is a wife basher, because like they're prepared. They're like prepared for it because
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they know that this is the one thing, you know, before they had that, that story, that whatever,
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like my audience knows the truth about it, but, or people that have read my book know the truth
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about it. But before they had that, you know what they used to call me before they had that,
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because that's, that was in 2000. I, I pled guilty to that in 2019. So you're talking about.
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So do you feel like that is the one thing you cannot defend yourself against?
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No, no, no, I think I can, I can, I can defend myself. That's why my book,
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like when you read my actual story, I've never in my life hit a woman. I would never hit a woman.
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That's just not true. I pled to a crime that I didn't commit because it was the only way. So
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we're going off topic. The reason why is that you would know, but I think it's important.
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And if you, I don't know, if you know the truth, it's like in Australia, so you can't get custody
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back of your kids. If you have open domestic violence cases, it's kind of, it's a formula women
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use here, not all women, but like a lot of women use that, um, when there's a relationship breakdown
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and I'd been in a new relationship. And, um, so the, and the court can't do anything because
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the court just goes, all right, you've got an open domestic violence case. They can't see any
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of the details, whether it's a serious one, whether it's whatever they go, while you have
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that, you can't, you know, we can't give you your, they're not going to give you your kids.
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Right. Um, and I have to be careful what I say. So I'm not going to say that that was me,
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but I'm just saying that's the formula that women use. So, um, you have a cat,
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you have an option to plead guilty to. And in my case, it was a summary offense. It's the lowest
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offense there is for throwing a chopping board, not even add her that hit her. Um,
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and if I pled guilty to that, then that closes that case and I can get, I can go for my kids.
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So that's like, I, so when you tell me somebody is a woman basher, to me, I hate that person because,
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you know, there's, there's almost nothing worse than a woman basher. And it hurts because like,
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it's, it's a very tough thing to have to just cop and cop and cop. Like I've gotten used to it since
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2019, but before that, you know what they used to say to me, they used to call me a Nazi. And it was
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funny because I would rock up to protest, just not, I'm not that like, I don't, not religious,
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but I would wear a kippah just so I caught on camera, them chanting, get the Nazi out of here,
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while I have a kippah on my head. Like the, the optics of it was funny.
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Hey, I, I look, I, I, it weird me saying this, but I, I believe everybody gets second chances.
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And if marriages don't work out, you should be able to have a second marriage and a third marriage.
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I have a great second marriage. Hopefully it's my last marriage.
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Yes. And, and I, and I'm sorry, you, you, you had to go through what, 16 years of that,
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there's nothing you can do to defend. I, I, I kind of relate to this at a much lower extent,
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like with the Sam Bankman freed thing. It's like, it was impossible to know at the time
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of making that video, it was impossible to know. So that, but you know,
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that was a gift that you just gave to me. It's one of those things where like, wait,
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given the information I have now, there's no other thing I could have done looking back at history.
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So you're stuck with that label for years to come, but hopefully you can escape that label.
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And, and, and, and, well, I think with the Sam Bankman Freeman, uh, uh, thing it was,
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it's, it's, it's when you do your content, it feels like you're fully promoting and endorsing.
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I build up people. Yeah. That's the thing, dude. I build up.
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Have you changed that style since all that happened?
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So I want to get your opinion on this. Okay. Like I'm seriously curious.
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I 99% of non-stated videos is build up people. It's like, I never go.
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The only time I just throw, I wanted to put down people was you.
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Because it didn't work out. Look what, now I'm building you up.
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Like, because I, what, I look at what is the point of, Hey, you deserve a second chance.
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I hope my team is not listening to this. Um, so have you ever seen like that?
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The point of Nasdaily is to fricking lift people up. So I don't make videos. I'm not rebel news.
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So I felt like I was attacked for like going and building up somebody who on paper at the time
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And that's, and that's, I guess what the criticism, let's put aside the fact that it was like a free
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kick you gave me because it was right after, I think it was right as it happened, like right
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after that, the publishing of the debate. And I was like, this dude, this is the guy telling me that
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I'm dangerous. My words are dangerous because so many millions of people follow what you say
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and would have invested in that. And so that's why I say, like, I understand, I get you, you,
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your content has always been about, uh, forget about building people up. It's about positivity.
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You're always trying to come from a positive, building bridges,
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but when you're not even a person like a country, I mean, in fact, I saw a video recently of yours.
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It was like, actually interesting to me. The one of, um, uh, the, uh, um, I know the country.
00:22:35.720
Yeah. Cause I've got heaps of Mauritius friends here and I didn't know, there's a lot of Mauritius
00:22:40.040
people in Australia and they're cool people. And so, um, like, I didn't know that kind of stuff.
00:22:45.080
And so there's not, there's sort of like, when you say you do positive content, that's building
00:22:49.640
it up. Like it works in that situation because like, where could that possibly go wrong?
00:22:55.160
But when you're building up a specific person that has a brand, which is, which,
00:22:58.440
which involves investment, that's the danger, like the Bitcoin or whatever, whatever product
00:23:05.400
where people, when you have the power of so much money, look, I agree that.
00:23:10.040
And that's where I, that's where I think the danger was in doing that ever.
00:23:13.160
This is, this is why I felt, uh, this is very good feedback. This is where I felt very unfairly treated
00:23:18.120
because I specifically went there to not build up his FTX, his, his FTX thing. I only mentioned in one
00:23:24.600
second, I wanted to build up his philanthropy of him giving away all his fortune, right?
00:23:29.080
So 80% of the video is about that. This was unpaid collaboration. I was not sponsored by FTX at all.
00:23:34.760
So I was like, wait a minute, this is the only video about Sam that does not promote FTX. And yet
00:23:43.160
I know, but like building, I get what you, I get what you're saying. The problem is building up a person
00:23:50.440
who's his entire branding was built around the way he sell that. And so then it built trust in him.
00:23:56.520
And if you trusted him, you were going to invest in that. And that's, that's like,
00:24:01.800
I think it's just a danger. Look, I don't think you're, I think all your content is related.
00:24:07.240
I want your advice. Should we, should we avoid everything finance related? Because like,
00:24:11.000
let's say now you have me on your show. Let's say you build me up for like 10 seconds and let's say
00:24:14.920
one year from now, I murder somebody and I'm in prison, right? Now, how would you have known?
00:24:22.360
I do have my suspicions. Um, no, uh, so, so it's, it's, it's different because no one's going
00:24:27.880
to go in and, and, and so if I walk away from this, let's say, and I say, I actually like Naz,
00:24:32.440
I don't agree with him politically on stuff that like, we're not going to.
00:24:37.080
I like Nassaya, especially when he corrects his name. I like Nassaya. And then in a year,
00:24:42.840
you go and kill somebody, right? Or, or, or, you know, it could be worse. You look at Epstein,
00:24:46.680
right? How many people took photos with Epstein while he was around in the circus? And we don't
00:24:49.960
know the depth in which, who had what involvement, right? Some people I'm sure was super nefarious.
00:24:55.960
And some people was just like, I even know there are people that come up and get photos with me.
00:24:59.320
I don't know. They could be like evil people, but I'm going to be polite and say yes to a photo.
00:25:04.760
So, but, but if I went out and said, I'll, you know, I think Nassaya is actually a good dude.
00:25:09.480
And then it turns out in a year, you actually end up like killing an innocent person in cold
00:25:14.520
blood. So I think one, it creates a situation where my instinct can be questioned. People go,
00:25:23.640
well, Avi, you went out of your way to say that you think he's a good dude. So you wouldn't have
00:25:31.160
known. It's not your fault. You didn't commit the murder, but I might question things you endorse.
00:25:37.880
And it's sort of the same with that, with you and Bankman. But the problem there is like
00:25:45.640
the consequences of it. Like what are the consequences for people who believe that you're
00:25:49.800
all right after this, as opposed to people that probably put money in because your brand was trust?
00:25:57.480
Yeah, that's fair. Again, I go back to the same point, which is the video promotes effective
00:26:04.440
philanthropy. It doesn't say invest in FTX. It doesn't even tag.
00:26:08.040
No, no, but the, but the, but the, but the consequence of it is, is that.
00:26:11.240
That was a cut, but you know, it's almost like it's really, there's no, look, I believe in
00:26:17.800
percentages. I mean, look, I have a fucking percentage right over my thing. I believe in percentages.
00:26:22.120
So it's like, what percent of the videos I made about people have turned out to be crazy,
00:26:28.040
like Sam Bankman free, like literally it's 2%, maybe 1%.
00:26:31.640
Who's the other one? Oh, there was another one. There was, there was an Asian guy.
00:26:38.040
And the Binance, but, but, but they, I don't honestly, but I don't think he did anything wrong.
00:26:43.480
CZ is, I, I go on the record, say Binance is awesome. And the guys,
00:26:48.280
I don't know enough. I just remember that there was a controversy and everyone was like,
00:26:51.480
every single time. Usually when they say every single time they mean the Jews, but in that case,
00:26:56.600
it was Messiah, but they were saying Nasdaily. I'm just, I'm quoting them. They were saying Nasdaily.
00:27:03.000
Yes. My, my, my miss rate to be clear for everybody to know is 1%. All right. I made 2000
00:27:10.600
videos about 2000 people, only like four or five were like fraud, 1% miss rate. That's it. Go ahead.
00:27:18.040
Yeah. So, so what you're saying is though, when somebody then judges your content,
00:27:22.520
that the way they should look at it is trust 99% of it. Trust 99% of what I said.
00:27:31.560
And 60% of what you said. Or 42%, depends. Cut, cut out the left wing nonsense. So we got about 49%
00:27:38.360
plus the 1%. Listen, but here we are, we're having this conversation. And I think again, as long as I'm
00:27:46.360
not delusional, like I was, I was like, but I think things are very different now.
00:27:49.000
I'm not going to interrupt you. Don't worry. And if I see you in the street.
00:27:52.120
Yeah. Well, you haven't been back to WEF since then. I don't know what happened.
00:28:01.880
When they invite you firstly, do they invite you as Nassaya or Nasdaily?
00:28:08.440
I think it wasn't even the WEF dude. It was like YouTube.
00:28:16.920
Well, once I was with the UAE, but another time I was with YouTube. So it's, it's never
00:28:20.600
been directly like I'm a WEF speaker. So it's always been YouTube and UAE, which, you know,
00:28:26.840
two not bad brands. You love YouTube. YouTube is the reason you have a career.
00:28:30.520
Well, well, I'm, I'm, I'm hoping to get re-monetized. Do you have any friends there? They're,
00:28:34.760
they're, they're, they're currently under review. They said that we're getting monetized. Well,
00:28:39.000
they, they re-monetized Rebel in the, in the last few weeks. And then they said-
00:28:44.200
In the last few weeks. That is, that is all Trump administration stuff. That's crazy.
00:28:48.600
And then they said, so that, so the boss, they said basically on all our channels to put them
00:28:52.920
into review. So as we speak, hopefully by the time this airs, it's, it's re-monetized because it,
00:28:58.280
it does make- Well, hopefully you can make some money off of this.
00:29:00.360
Uh, that's the aim. Um, so, so, so, so since that you never went back because you never got invited,
00:29:11.160
Uh, okay. Just to be clear, I can go if I want to. It's not, I'm not disinvited. I'm still,
00:29:18.120
I still like the WEF. This can be our first thing that we disagree on. Yes, I know. I, I look, I, I just
00:29:24.120
think they're good people. Just like, I think you're a good person. I just think, you know, look, we just,
00:29:28.360
some of us do not know the impact of our action. Then maybe sometimes the left-wing actions were
00:29:32.520
too woke, too crazy, like Greta Thunberg stuff. Um, and sometimes the right can be too crazy.
00:29:38.840
So like, that's, that's my opinion. Did we get in our debate too, Greta?
00:29:43.400
And I don't want to like re-prosecute all this. People can go watch the nasdebates.com
00:29:47.800
that is owned by Rebel. Did we? I don't know. I don't remember. I vaguely remember, but, um.
00:29:52.920
Because your boss was, uh, harassing Greta and I was harassing him. That is my interaction.
00:29:59.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you, yeah. And you were in defense of her at that time.
00:30:04.520
I was never in love with her actually. No. I don't think I was.
00:30:07.560
I don't think I was. You could see the red flags.
00:30:11.560
I mean, it's just like, I think we humans like, like, makes, like, make something shiny and just,
00:30:19.960
you, like, it's like we use her for our own purposes.
00:30:23.560
Yeah. Well, they idolize her. The left also does that a lot. The right also does that. They idolize
00:30:28.360
certain people and, um. Yeah, the right idolizes me because I'm like, oh, Muslim, Arab, who likes
00:30:33.400
Israel. Oh my God. Let's. Depends where on the right. Depends where on the right. That's
00:30:39.480
nowadays. And that's where we're going to get to. Let's go. Because this is how, so after all that,
00:30:44.520
and you're welcome for not getting re-invited to the UEFI. You don't know it. I actually saved you.
00:30:49.640
But after that, October. Hey, hey, don't, don't make this the title of this interview. It's not
00:30:55.640
like I'm disinvited. I can still go if I want to. Don't make this Nas Daily disinvited from the
00:30:59.960
WEF. Now Rebel News favorite. Just to be clear. If, if you get, look, yeah, um, we're about, oh,
00:31:06.520
we're almost a year off. We were just there. So in, um, in 11 or in 10, in 11, no, 10 months,
00:31:14.600
in 10 months from now, if I see you in at the WEF, then we know that you were re-invited.
00:31:20.040
But again, I'll take credit because maybe people will think you're normal again. Who knows?
00:31:23.160
Um, but that was, that was, uh, that was 2022. So October, 2023 hit. And I remember,
00:31:31.160
um, in that, in those first few days, uh, the world reacted and reacted in a way that was
00:31:39.160
pleasantly surprising. I don't like all the virtue signaling. I think that was never helpful. And,
00:31:44.680
and, and I think it created more animosity, but you saw the flags going everywhere. And,
00:31:49.400
uh, you know, states were, were, were, were, uh, they do the lights, the, the, the Israeli colors on
00:31:57.720
all different buildings and whatever. That's what I mean. I don't, I'm not really into that because I
00:32:01.400
think that, that it actually, um, well, it never actually does anything besides for Hertz,
00:32:06.520
especially in this case, the Jews, but, um, anyway, if they put up the flags of Israel,
00:32:12.680
of Israel after October seven, in all capital, like all main capital cities around the West and
00:32:18.760
Europe, why do you think it hurts Israel or the Jews? Because it basically it did. You could see
00:32:24.120
straight after that because it's, it's, it's a virtue signal that everybody says, oh, look how great I am.
00:32:29.240
I care, but it's not actually doing anything. And what it did in the populations is going,
00:32:34.680
the government is supporting this straight away. So after COVID, especially there's been this,
00:32:40.840
there's been this shift in, in populations where people go, if the government's behind that,
00:32:45.800
I'm against it. And then on top of that, you have, you have massive Islamic communities across the
00:32:51.480
country, across the world, sorry, that turned around and their reaction was, how come there's
00:32:56.840
never been a Palestinian flag, uh, over 76 years of, of occupation. Right. So it immediately got the
00:33:04.520
conversation into a position, which was unhelpful, but, but you know what, I've got to say, as, uh,
00:33:11.400
you know, an Australian Israeli Jew, even seeing it. And even though I, I, um, I consciously, um,
00:33:19.480
recognize the problems with it, it felt nice to see it because it was like a, it was surprising to me
00:33:25.160
that the world reacted how they should to such an atrocity, to such a visual atrocity, one that was,
00:33:33.000
you know, broadcasted to the entire world. So it was weird how you, as, as an Israeli, you've got to go,
00:33:39.800
like, cause if it happened anywhere else, it wouldn't even be a question that that's what the world,
00:33:43.560
you know, when it happened in England or America or, um, in Europe, the, the world, that's how the
00:33:49.480
world reacts. But when it comes to Israel, it's always been this like, well, is there a reason
00:33:53.960
for this? And in this case there was, and that was when I saw your first post, um, which was in the
00:33:59.960
first few days, I, I recall, I might be off on my date. I think it was in that period, which was,
00:34:05.800
which I'm calling, which I'm calling like the left wing grace period where, where, and, and I said it at
00:34:12.040
the time, because I said, and I went to Israel straight away, I jumped straight on a flight, went to
00:34:15.960
Israel and stayed in Sderot for, in that period when they were still finding terror, like they pulled
00:34:21.240
guns on me at one point because they thought that, um, like, because you look Arab, that's right,
00:34:26.840
because you literally look Arab, and your last name. Look, I think it was just that I was in the place
00:34:33.400
that everybody had escaped and I was trying, I was literally driving, I was driving towards, as close
00:34:40.040
as I could get to, to Gaza, and I go on this road in the middle of the night, me, my cameraman, and
00:34:44.920
another guy, and we're driving on this road, and it was a Tesla, because at the time, Elon Musk gave
00:34:49.400
free, uh, power stations, uh, free recharge across Israel. Um, yeah, and I'm a Temani, and in Yemen,
00:34:58.280
when you hear free, you just forget everything else, and we took a Tesla, and then we're driving down
00:35:03.960
this road, and suddenly, like out of no, I'm, I'm starting to get worried that we're going to end
00:35:08.040
up somewhere in Khan Yunus or something, because like, there was no one stopping us, and I'm driving,
00:35:13.240
and I'm talking about like 10th or 10th of October, 11th of October, and I'm driving, and then suddenly
00:35:18.920
out of the dark, like guns blazing, and they're going, they're telling me in Hebrew to turn the
00:35:23.160
lights off, and I'm telling, and I'm screaming out, I don't know how to do it, it's a bloody Tesla!
00:35:30.760
I go, anyways, I go, if you want to shoot someone, shoot Elon Musk for this, they came over, they
00:35:35.400
checked everything. I mean, seriously, I mean, terrorists do not drive a Tesla, so that should
00:35:39.720
be signal number one. Listen, a lot of people would consider a Tesla a bomb, so I don't know.
00:35:46.200
But, so, in that period, you made a post, and heaps of people were sending it to me, you know, heaps of
00:35:52.440
people that, that, I think, probably from the Jewish community, um, that had seen our stuff,
00:36:00.360
and I, and I think you had a mixed, um, like, in the Jewish community before that, before October 7th,
00:36:06.760
there were people that loved you, people that, and I, because there were different instances
00:36:09.720
and videos that came out, and people were saying that he's this, and to be honest, I looked at it,
00:36:15.320
and I said to those, I said to people, I go, um, my bet, because I think in that post, and I'm,
00:36:22.040
I'm paraphrasing what I remember, you said something along the lines of, I've always identified
00:36:27.160
as, uh, Palestinian-Israeli, and, and today, like, now, after this, I identify as Israeli. I,
00:36:35.320
I could, something, yeah, is there something I'm right about the way I'm presenting?
00:36:40.680
And so, I, I guess one of the things that always annoyed me about you, on a personal level, and,
00:36:47.400
and it, it, it, I don't think many people realize that it came out in the first video interaction
00:36:51.880
that we had, from what I knew of you, is like, do you remember I said to you, Am Yisraeli when you
00:36:56.520
left? Because I looked at it. Yes, I do remember that. And, and I was like shocked you said that.
00:37:00.920
I was like, bro, I'm, I'm one of you. Like, why, why did you say that to me?
00:37:04.680
It's because in, in, in the Jewish community, I think before, October 7, there have been different,
00:37:10.440
like, uh, conflicting things. And then, after all that, like, I, I said to myself,
00:37:14.680
well, this is nice. Nassaya. I said Nassaya to myself, okay, because I didn't want to disrespect.
00:37:19.960
Of course, sure. I said, I said, Nassaya, um, you know, he's gonna play it safe, and he wants to be
00:37:26.920
accepted in the left wing, you know, uh, position of the world. And right now, and so it both, so when you
00:37:33.800
played the, I'm Israeli policy, I'm like, of course, he's gonna sit on the fence. That's
00:37:37.560
gonna be Nassaya. Um, and then October 7, that post, I said to people, come back to me in a month,
00:37:45.640
when the entire world has turned against Israel, because of the, the retaliation. And then show me
00:37:53.160
Nasdaily's posts. And, uh, I, I guarantee you, I said, I said, I guarantee he's gonna go the other way.
00:38:01.240
And you never did. Yeah. You never did. In fact, I've watched you consistently.
00:38:06.680
I continuously that go to the other way that you thought I would.
00:38:10.040
I, I continue. So, I, I respected that. And over that period, I've, I've gained respect.
00:38:17.400
And, and it's not because I think you're on my side. I actually think, um, the whole conflict
00:38:24.920
of Israel-Palestine is a, for people that actually understand and know what's going on. I'm not
00:38:31.640
talking about your average person at home that's watching the news and getting TikToks and they're
00:38:35.400
being fed snippets and forming their world. But from people that know what is happening there,
00:38:42.680
it's a, it's a litmus test. It tells me where, where your moral compass is.
00:38:46.440
It's an IQ test. Yeah. It shows me where your moral compass is. If you, if, if, if, if you go a
00:38:54.360
specific way in the way that the, the mob has gone and you know, what's real, then I think you're
00:39:01.480
actually a bad person. So I, I grew respect for that. Can you tell us what happened for you then
00:39:08.200
and what that shift was? So look, we had so many differences, you and I in the last few years,
00:39:16.680
but there's one thing that I appreciate about you that I also see myself in, in myself, which is
00:39:23.640
you and I are on an individual pursuit to find our truth at all costs. Even if our truth is unpopular,
00:39:35.240
even if the whole world disagrees with it, but you and I are willing to go to great lengths
00:39:40.440
to stand by our truths. And at the WEF, when we first met, your truth was that the WEF is a globalist
00:39:46.280
agenda and we hate it. And that was your truth. And you went to great lengths to make it clear the
00:39:50.840
truth. And then my truth was very different, but for the first time ever is your truth and my truth
00:39:57.320
are actually what we believe is the truth. And so it doesn't matter if 99% of the world disagrees
00:40:04.200
with me. If I believe this is the truth, then I'm just going to stay. And so when it came to the
00:40:09.560
Israel and Palestine, I was so surprised at how little attention is given to the truth and how much
00:40:19.080
attention is given to feelings and fucking slogans. And even if it cost me my business, I don't give a
00:40:25.400
shit because eventually the truth finds itself. And so this is why I said what I said, and this is why
00:40:29.880
I continue to believe what I believe. The whole October 7th until now, I am just amazed at how
00:40:35.240
little people know and how little people care about the truth. That's it.
00:40:40.200
So from your perspective that after your first post and your continuation of it, was it that you were
00:40:48.280
getting more frustrated by seeing lies spread and the mob grow? Like what, what, what happened to you
00:40:56.360
internally? Because like, I can't, I can't, I can't, I can't imagine what it would be to be,
00:41:06.600
you know, I guess, racially, a Palestinian Israeli. And then in this time, like I do like, like my
00:41:15.560
officer in the army, he was, he was, as well, like an Arab.
00:41:20.120
Jews. No, he was, he was Christian, Christian, Arab.
00:41:23.560
Oh, Jews, Christian, Bedouin. Yeah. But Muslim, Arab?
00:41:26.760
Exactly. And, and Muslims like much harder because even Muslims across around the world,
00:41:33.320
they automatically, the default position is anti-Israel. And I, look, I,
00:41:39.240
I don't like that. This is my pet peeve. I don't like that. It's like, whatever you are born,
00:41:43.640
you believe. If I'm born in a, it's very, very extremely tribal. And so like, I think it takes
00:41:49.720
great courage. And you know, I have massive respect for like Jews that are anti-Zionist.
00:41:54.200
It's like, you know how much courage it takes to say, I'm going to go against the tribe.
00:41:58.760
You know why I have less respect for that? I'll explain to you why.
00:42:05.560
Yeah. Well, firstly, you're joining the mob. So, so, so, so for a Muslim to be
00:42:11.560
anti, so for a Muslim to, to actually delve into it and to go, hold on, okay, I, this is the truth
00:42:18.680
here. And, and the truth might be even nuanced. In, in, in the Arab world, nuance is like going to get
00:42:24.520
you killed. Non-existent. Yeah. So, but, so, and, and with, in, in the Arab world, you're talking about
00:42:32.600
you're part of the, the, the vast majority. And it's not, and like Islamic communities,
00:42:38.520
unlike, um, Jewish communities are a lot more intense, a lot bigger, and a lot more dangerous
00:42:45.480
to speak. Yes. Your, the truth. Um, so, so when a Muslim comes out and, and, and takes a stand,
00:42:53.560
I have a lot more respect for it because he's not joining a mob. He's joining actually the underdog.
00:42:59.000
He's joining the unpopular position, at least on the street, the position that can get you hurt.
00:43:05.560
We're an anti-Zionist. I meet them all the time. They're coming from this radical, insane position,
00:43:12.040
but it's not even that it's not brave. You're not doing anything. Yeah. There's no consequences,
00:43:16.520
I guess. There's no consequences. You can literally walk through the Jewish community neighborhood
00:43:20.840
still after in, in your, which is crazy impressive. It's crazy impressive that you allow for this
00:43:27.560
debates and disagreeing at such a high level and you don't kill each other. But if you do it the other,
00:43:32.200
but if you do it the other way, if you find, if, if you, if you now, like you now known as making
00:43:38.600
your position, if you walked through some neighborhoods in Melbourne, Australia,
00:43:43.560
Oh God, you will not survive. Like, why do you think I'm not in Australia now?
00:43:47.960
Yeah. Uh, so what's, but it's not, I don't think it's just Australia, but what's your view on what's
00:43:53.480
happening in Australia as somebody that's, that's lived all sides of this conflict?
00:44:01.560
Ah, man. Look, I, um, I, I wish the world knew that it's, you can say,
00:44:11.560
sweet Palestine and I'm with Hamas and all that stuff in Australia, in the UK, in the US as of
00:44:17.960
recently. And you don't get in trouble. None of that. If you say that in Saudi Arabia, if you say
00:44:22.280
that in like UAE, like you're toast, like people don't understand.
00:44:26.680
There is a guy, there is a guy though. There is a guy in UAE that does
00:44:30.680
got in trouble. No, he, no, he, some guy lifted up the Palestinian flag.
00:44:35.320
Oh yeah, no, I saw that. The thing about these guys, I think it's, it's like one of those gym owners,
00:44:40.440
the one that converted or reverted Andrew Tate. He has a fight gym in UAE.
00:44:47.480
Oh, I can't. Oh, bro. I have a crazy story with that guy. I did a podcast with him just like this.
00:44:54.440
And I did this one before October 7th. And I didn't realize how crazy that guy was. And I,
00:44:58.280
there it was like, literally, this is funny. We had a podcast. We had a one hour debate about Israel.
00:45:03.240
I was like, you know, who the hell are you, Mr. Afghanistan? What do you know about Israel
00:45:07.480
He's Afghani. I didn't even know he was Afghani.
00:45:09.240
Yeah. He's Afghani or something. And then it was like, and then we had this one hour podcast and I was
00:45:13.880
literally fighting him in the podcast. And then at the end of it, they were like, maybe we shouldn't
00:45:18.280
release this because we live in Dubai. And it's like, okay, whatever. We're not going to release
00:45:21.720
this. But literally this is before October 7th. I was like defending my truth in front of that guy.
00:45:27.400
That guy knows nothing. I know. I know he knows nothing. But my question is, how does he,
00:45:33.080
is it because he seems to be also close to the, the, the, the Royal fan or parts of the role?
00:45:37.880
No, not close at all. Everybody there, bro, like buys a Bugatti and calls himself close
00:45:45.640
So how does he get away? So how does he get away with it? He straight up supports Hamas.
00:45:51.160
I'll tell you, I think how he gets it because he's not, I think he's because he's not Arab.
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He's not a threat. He's doing it in English for the English audience, blah, blah, blah.
00:45:59.720
He's not like saying I, as part of Dubai do this. Like if you're an Arab, it's a little bit
00:46:06.280
more, more difficult to go out. You, you don't get away with this. That's my, mind you, I don't,
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mind you, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not even arguing that they should whatever. I, I'm just, I'm just
00:46:16.600
asking why. No, I think that there should be free speech. I, one of the things that I really appreciated
00:46:21.560
in Dubai at the couple of times that I've been there is that I genuinely, I think it's one of the
00:46:28.600
places in the world that as a Jew, as proudly a Jew, I've always felt super safe, not only super safe,
00:46:35.240
like, um, respected. I feel like the peace, the Abraham Accords, and that is one thing
00:46:40.760
Trump does, never gets enough credit for. It is real peace. I've been to Jordan. I wouldn't go out
00:46:46.680
there and say I'm a Jew. Um, but, but, but in Dubai, in Dubai, it's like, I really feel when they
00:46:53.480
say aki, like they mean it. You're, you're, they, they, a mutual respect, which is the one thing that's
00:47:00.520
ever given me hope, um, for a future, actual real lasting peace in the Middle East between,
00:47:07.960
um, Israel and, and, and, uh, Islamic States because, um, it is possible. But yeah, people,
00:47:16.440
people think Arabs is like one type of Arab. It's like, people think Jews are like 16 million,
00:47:21.240
one opinion. Like in reality, there's like a Levantine Arab and there is like a Bedouin Arab and,
00:47:26.440
and, and there's like Christian Arab, right? And like a, like a Bedouin Arab, which is UEE,
00:47:30.680
Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, well, exclude Kuwait and Qatar. There's different topic. Bahrain, UEE,
00:47:37.080
Saudi Arabia, like awesome. They're like very tolerant and amazing. So I think, and they also
00:47:44.280
happen to be the most successful Arabs, the one with the actual skyscraper and the more educated ones.
00:47:49.080
So I, I think the big issue really is my Levantine Arabs, right? The ones in Jordan and Egypt and in
00:47:57.240
the West Bank, we need an insane re-education campaign, uh, for these to, because we have a,
00:48:05.400
they have a cold peace with Israel and there's like massive real anti-Semitism because they're
00:48:09.560
so close to it when all these events happen. It's like, oh, the war is right there. Jews are killing us.
00:48:14.120
So therefore we should kill Jews. Like that is literally what they think. Look, the way I think
00:48:18.120
of it is this, Avi, is those Arabs think they will be killed by Jews. That's why they hate Jews. And
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Jews in Israel think they will be killed by those exact Arabs. So that's why they hate Israel.
00:48:30.440
When I feel like you're about to kill me, I want to kill you first.
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But why, why here, um, and I'm not only talking about Arabs, but why here do the, um, uh, do, do
00:48:45.640
any Muslim their, their, their, their position, um, why is it immediately?
00:48:52.920
This I don't get. This I don't get. Uh, but that's why, like, I think it is scripture. It does go back
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to that. Like, like, if you look at, um, Islam, uh, according to, because, because chronologically
00:49:04.440
you had, uh, Judaism, Christianity, and then Islam. And because there are disparaging, um,
00:49:13.160
texts in Islam. So it is so easy for, um, radicals to go, look, it says, oh, look,
00:49:20.520
it says on judgment day, Muhammad's going to call a Muslim. There's a Jew behind me, come and kill him.
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So there's actually somebody to point at and go, he's our enemy. And Israel only solidifies it and
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makes it gives you that reason. I, I, I, I agree with that. But, but something that I cannot square
00:49:36.200
off is in the same text in the Quran, it literally said, Jews are the sons of Israel, the people of
00:49:41.640
the book. And it says Israel in the Quran. So I know that's, that's a funny thing. That's a funny
00:49:46.120
thing I always ask. It's like, how many, how many times does it say Palestine in the Quran?
00:49:50.760
I don't get it. Zero times. Zero times. So, and it, I think it's 44 times it mentions Israel.
00:49:57.480
But you should see, there's this video about the, the ruling, uh, uh, uh, the ruler of Saudi Arabia
00:50:03.160
saying that we should be open to reinterpretation of the religion. And I think that's what the world
00:50:08.920
needs. And by the way, look at like Indonesia, Indonesia is going to make peace with Israel in
00:50:12.680
the next three, four, four years, for sure. I definitely recommend.
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Israelis are going to ruin Bali. I mean, they already have a lot of them with a different
00:50:20.360
passport like me. I've never seen Israelis in Bali. Thailand.
00:50:29.480
Anybody who has a second passport goes there. I bought a second passport and I went to Bali and
00:50:33.800
I made a video called, is Bali the whitest island in Asia? And that pissed off so many people. You
00:50:41.160
should see it. You would be proud of that. But not Balinese. Balinese wouldn't have cared. It would
00:50:44.600
have been the, the, like the Indonesian mainlanders, the. No, the Indonesian mainlanders loved it. It's,
00:50:50.520
it's the, the white people in Bali said, how dare you call us white? How dare, this is gentrification.
00:50:54.520
Why are you celebrating gentrification? You know, like classic. Anyway.
00:50:58.680
Let me, let me ask you something. Your family, I think you're from the north. Yeah. North of Israel.
00:51:03.960
Yeah. Yeah. How does your family feel through all of this? Um, uh, so my family
00:51:15.640
is okay. It's okay. Look, I mean, their preference is that I, I, I keep my mouth shut, especially at
00:51:22.760
the beginning of the war. That's like every parent's preference. Just protect yourself, hide,
00:51:27.560
play it safe. But you know, that's not, that's not your DNA or mine. Um, but for now they're safe.
00:51:33.080
They're very supportive. And also honestly, my parents are like, guys, we only have Israel.
00:51:37.720
Like we have to protect the country that we have, that we live in. We know nothing else.
00:51:42.280
We don't want to be anywhere else. So what the fuck are we doing?
00:51:45.240
Yeah. Well, I think Arab villages in the north, especially, uh, in the beginning of the war,
00:51:51.160
when Hezbollah was firing, firing all those rockets, they were the real, they were the targets.
00:51:55.080
Essentially. They were the ones that are getting hit more than anyone.
00:51:57.560
Yeah. And I never understood why anyone, uh, well, I understand it. I can understand it.
00:52:04.440
That's why I say it's, it would be hard for me, uh, you know, if you have an identity
00:52:10.840
crisis, like if you can't square up your, um, Arab background to obviously, um, and I saw that in
00:52:18.360
Israel in my time there, you know, you had, you had young Arab men that clearly, proudly would
00:52:27.640
always identify as Palestinian, but would never take the chance to move to the West Bank, would
00:52:32.680
never, would never give up their Israeli powers because life in Israel is better than anywhere
00:52:40.120
There's two qualities. I really, really don't like ungratefulness and hypocrisy. You must act
00:52:47.960
the way you talk. If you talk and say, I'm only Palestinian, then act like it and live as an only
00:52:53.640
Palestinian. Don't be using shekels and don't be taking the Israeli passport and traveling around
00:52:57.640
the world, having fun. Don't try to play in both worlds and try to win in both because those who
00:53:02.040
catch two rabbits, try to catch two rabbits, catch none. Number two is, uh, uh, that's hypocrisy. And,
00:53:07.880
and, and, and it's just like, I, I, I, I, I'm gratefulness. Like if I, if I, if I'm being very
00:53:13.720
serious about this and I'm being extremely uncomfortably honest, the only reason I am
00:53:19.400
masked daily today is because I lived under an Israeli government. If I lived under a Jordanian
00:53:26.200
government, opportunities are so much less. I do not want to live under a Jordanian or Palestinian
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or fucking Egyptian government. Why is that sensitive to say, yes, the Israeli government
00:53:37.800
government is terrible and you know how terrible it is, but it is the best we have in the Middle
00:53:44.520
East. It can always be better, but we can't all be Denmark people. So we'll, I'll take Israel.
00:53:49.800
Is Denmark, is Denmark the baseline for good? I don't know. I don't know if many people agree with that.
00:53:55.160
Um, yeah. Yeah. So you said, so, so actually growing up, growing up in Israel as a Muslim,
00:54:02.520
um, Arab, when, when, when you hear people talking about apartheid around the world,
00:54:09.160
you know, your uni students talking about apartheid, um, what was there genuinely any,
00:54:15.640
like, was there any difference as a Muslim growing up in an Arab, Israeli village?
00:54:21.880
Using the word genocide or apartheid, I believe is intellectual laziness. It is lazy. So you,
00:54:28.520
you, you put everything in genocide, even in Syria now we're calling it genocide. I think that's lazy
00:54:33.320
to call things genocide, right? You have, there's something that has to really, there's gravity to the
00:54:38.040
word. So calling it apartheid is like everybody is trying to compare us to South Africa. Do you know my
00:54:42.920
least country, my least favorite country in the world? It is South Africa, because even though
00:54:47.160
quote unquote, it has, is beyond apartheid, the most apartheid I've seen in my life is in South Africa
00:54:52.360
today. So, um, uh, that's what they say, the pendulum swung the other way. They turned anti-racism laws
00:55:01.080
that ended up being the most racist laws. No, no, I was not, I only got mob, uh, robbed twice in my life
00:55:09.560
out of a hundred countries. And both of them happened in South Africa. Anyway, that's a
00:55:13.240
different conversation. Um, uh, look, I, we're not going to sugarcoat it. Um, I wanted to be an
00:55:19.080
astronaut when I was young. I looked at my race, I looked at my color, I looked at my religion,
00:55:24.120
and I said, Israel will never let me become an astronaut. You only can be Jewish from the army
00:55:29.880
to do anything successful in life. If you want to be a prime minister, you can never be that in Israel
00:55:34.600
if you're not Jewish. So the truth matters. There is a ceiling where there's a glass ceiling
00:55:39.320
or a concrete ceiling. It's funny you say that because, um, Yemenites would say the same thing
00:55:45.160
about prime minister. The same thing. Exactly. Black Ethiopian Jews definitely have a ceiling.
00:55:51.880
It's insanely low as well. But is it, yeah, look, I'm asking. That's the truth. But the thing is,
00:55:59.960
also the same truth is that the upper, the, the, the height of the ceiling is the highest in Israel.
00:56:06.920
So you mean in comparison to other Middle Eastern states. Exactly. So you're saying,
00:56:10.360
exactly. So you're, you genuinely don't think a, a, a, uh, an Arab could be an astronaut in Israel?
00:56:19.080
No, because you have to, because the first astronaut in Israel, uh, was a military F-16 commander.
00:56:26.440
Sure. Now, do you think Israel would trust a Muslim Israeli Arab with an F-16 private?
00:56:30.840
I don't know. I think in the woke world of 2020, uh, 2025, they would love one because they'd be
00:56:35.960
able to parade him around the world. So, but, but look, the way I view this is this. Yes.
00:56:41.400
I can't argue with how you felt. I'm just, I'm, I just question whether there really is a ceiling.
00:56:47.240
Like if, if, if, if, if, are there no, are there no, um, Muslim pilots in Israel? Are there none?
00:56:54.360
No, there isn't. No, there isn't. No. Um, but also there's no, like, there's no Muslim Arab. Um,
00:57:02.280
like, like if you look at the percentage of Arabs in the TV station, it's like, you know, we're 20%
00:57:08.200
of the country, but it's like 1% of the employees in TV stations. Like we have a lot less representation.
00:57:12.920
Now I'm not here to complain. I don't like complainers. I'm here to say we have work to
00:57:17.960
do in Israel, but the beginning is good compared to our region. Now, how can we make it better
00:57:25.240
together? That's all I'm saying. I'm looking at the glass half full. I'm not here to complain.
00:57:28.920
There is systematic problems in, uh, uh, in the Israeli government, but it's amazing opportunity.
00:57:36.760
So also I'll tell you, I'll tell you a big problem, Avi. Do you tell me if it's acceptable or not?
00:57:41.480
I spent 19 years in Israel. Do you know how many Jewish Israeli friends I have
00:57:47.240
Ah, but that's because, like people that don't understand, like you would have lived in a northern
00:57:52.120
town and surrounded by just Arabs in your Arab village. You probably went to other Arab villages.
00:57:59.000
Like that's, that's a lifestyle. But if you, if you moved into the city, you would have had.
00:58:03.400
Honestly, before I was Nasdaily, it was very difficult to make, uh, Israeli Jewish friends.
00:58:12.360
And, and that pains me to say that. I mean, going through the airport was not fine.
00:58:15.400
That's weird to me because like, when I served in the army there, like I made heaps of Arab friends
00:58:19.640
just walking around. Yeah. There's different Arabs, right? There's Christian Arabs,
00:58:22.840
there's Druze Arabs, there's Bedouin Arabs. Those are integrated Arabs. Muslim Arabs.
00:58:27.240
No, no. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm talking about Muslim Arabs from villages. So like I was in Kfal Sabah,
00:58:31.800
there's all the villages around. Yeah, yeah. And they would come in and work in Kfal Sabah.
00:58:36.520
And like, do you know? Yeah, yeah. Keyword is work, manual work. And it's like, why can't we,
00:58:43.320
we're not... I'm thinking of, I'm thinking of one specifically that I probably shouldn't mention,
00:58:47.800
but she was very beautiful. And, uh, she would do my haircuts and, and like, we hung out a fair bit.
00:58:55.320
Um, and... Did you hang out more than a fair bit?
00:58:58.520
Yeah. Listen, listen, I wouldn't go to her village and hold a hand. Let's just put it that way.
00:59:04.840
Yeah, that makes it smart. No, I got to run in like two minutes because I...
00:59:08.200
Yep. Quickly, before I let you go, and I appreciate it. I think this was a great conversation.
00:59:12.520
Um, it's funny that you say, uh, that you hate people with hypocrisy, which that's where we first
00:59:16.840
met and, and, and like, people will watch this and go, well, that's exactly what Naz had. But I agree with
00:59:21.400
the sentiment and I actually do agree with what you're saying. Um, but, uh, lastly,
00:59:26.680
what do you think about Syria? What's happening in Syria now? Do you think it's a good thing?
00:59:30.120
Do you think it's a bad thing? People love to point at Israel saying, oh, this works so well
00:59:33.160
for Israel. Although I, I'd argue, I don't know if Al Qaeda, Assad wasn't great for Israel,
00:59:37.880
but at least he was in control and giving minority sums. Like there was no, um, crazy thing,
00:59:42.840
but there was this, uh, Iran had the thing, but Al Qaeda on, on, on Israel's doorstep is not a great
00:59:49.720
thing. Look, if I look at what is the most dangerous thing in the Middle East and the least
00:59:54.360
dangerous thing in the Middle East, if you ask a Columbia university student, they would say
00:59:58.200
Zionist movement is the most dangerous thing in the Middle East, which is crazy. For me,
01:00:01.960
the most dangerous thing in the Middle East is radical Islamic extremism. And unfortunately,
01:00:06.760
Syria is becoming that, uh, anybody that says the name of a God and then kills somebody,
01:00:14.120
for me is dangerous. Period. So that's what's happening in Syria. Therefore it is dangerous.
01:00:21.960
And, and I agree with you. And I think that the, the most dangerous thing about Assad was the fact
01:00:27.240
that he was giving radical Shia Muslims a pathway to, to, to Lebanon. Like he was giving them the route,
01:00:34.520
the road. So it gave access. It was not about Assad himself. I think Assad himself was probably not so
01:00:41.720
bad for the Middle East. He was okay to the Christians, to the Alawites there. He wasn't
01:00:46.280
friendly with Israel, but who cares? He wasn't going to, he wasn't going to start a war with Israel.
01:00:50.840
The problem with him is he was allowing a sect of radical Islamists come to Israel from the other
01:00:57.240
side. So I actually totally agree with you, mate. Um, I've really enjoyed this conversation.
01:01:02.280
I hope you have as much as I have. No, no, we could do, we could do this for hours and you know,
01:01:06.840
we should, we should, we should do this again, uh, end of this year, next year, whatever. Uh, maybe
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hopefully I'll see you at the WEF and maybe we can both harass people. If, if, if this episode makes
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money, we'll do it again. That's. Hey, no comment. Thank you, brother. I hope you get re-monetized.
01:01:23.000
Thank you guys. And to every hater in the comment section where I'm sure there will be F you.
01:01:28.040
Okay. To every hater in the comment section. I agree with Nasiya on that one.