Rebel News Podcast - AVI YEMINI ｜ Senator Rennick FACES OFF with Avi Yemini over bizarre Mossad claims

00:00:00.000 Senator Gerard Reddick sparked controversy this week with two social media posts alleging

00:00:05.420 that the Mossad is behind a conspiracy to stir tensions and hatred in Australia.

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00:01:12.680 I'm hoping you like my t-shirt because if you like it enough, you can...

00:01:15.900 I did see it.

00:01:16.700 I can't see it now.

00:01:17.460 What's it say?

00:01:18.260 Defund the politicians.

00:01:19.540 It's taking the defund the police logo.

00:01:22.480 Yeah.

00:01:22.680 What do you reckon?

00:01:24.580 Yeah, fine.

00:01:25.240 That's fine.

00:01:25.720 You're happy with that?

00:01:26.640 Well, I'll be defunded.

00:01:27.860 Yeah.

00:01:28.160 I mean, I could very well be defunded in a couple of months anyway.

00:01:31.320 So, yeah.

00:01:33.020 I can...

00:01:33.540 Sort of.

00:01:33.920 So I guess we can expect...

00:01:35.400 If you don't get defunded, we can expect you to be wearing one of these that you got

00:01:39.020 from rebelstore.com.au at your next appearance in Parliament.

00:01:43.880 And we promise not to use the money that we raised from the sale for our Mossad activities

00:01:49.220 here in Australia.

00:01:50.560 Okay.

00:01:50.940 That's good.

00:01:51.480 So I'm looking forward to this conversation.

00:01:56.420 Thank you for coming on, Senator.

00:01:58.160 I've long admired most of your work, I'd say, particularly during COVID.

00:02:03.600 That's where I really got to know you.

00:02:05.240 But lately, though, a couple of your posts have...

00:02:08.920 I'd say...

00:02:10.460 I've got some alarm bells ringing.

00:02:12.900 So I'm genuinely grateful that you've come on today to help me unpack them.

00:02:17.460 Welcome.

00:02:17.680 Yeah.

00:02:17.800 Welcome, Rebecca.

00:02:20.260 It's great to be here.

00:02:21.080 Thanks, Harvey.

00:02:21.560 I don't think...

00:02:22.060 We've never met, have we?

00:02:24.040 No.

00:02:24.480 No.

00:02:24.840 Okay.

00:02:26.100 Well, it's good to meet you.

00:02:28.500 Yeah, my friends.

00:02:28.780 Firstly, I want to start with your post last week.

00:02:30.700 It's the post where you're essentially sharing your question time or the Senate inquiry,

00:02:37.820 whatever it is, and you're questioning the ASIO boss.

00:02:42.660 Now, on your post in which you shared it, you're just asking the question, which nowadays

00:02:47.680 online, let's be honest, when people are just asking online, it's generally that you

00:02:53.240 don't have to commit to it, but you're implying something.

00:02:55.620 You're implying what you're saying, but you're not committing to what you're saying.

00:02:58.480 You're giving yourself a way out because then if anyone challenges you on it, you just

00:03:02.660 say, hold on, I was just asking questions.

00:03:05.160 I don't know why you have a problem with people asking questions.

00:03:07.280 I think asking questions is great, but you need to commit to what you're actually saying.

00:03:11.580 In that one, you're saying...

00:03:12.860 You're questioning whether the Mossad, so the Israeli intelligence, has infiltrated News

00:03:17.880 Corp and is trying to stir up division here in Australia.

00:03:21.020 It's in reference specifically to two news stories.

00:03:24.120 You've got the caravan in Sydney found full of explosives, and you've got the Cairo Cafe

00:03:30.260 stunt by the Daily Telegraph.

00:03:33.220 Let's start with the first one.

00:03:34.360 Yeah.

00:03:35.140 How would you want the caravan found full of explosives?

00:03:39.960 How would you want that reported by News Corp in a way that you wouldn't say that there

00:03:47.720 was, or question whether there was any intelligence by Mossad pulling the strings behind the scene?

00:03:56.660 Yeah.

00:03:56.980 So just to be clear, the reference to Mossad was in regards to the Egyptian cafe, not

00:04:01.260 the caravan one.

00:04:03.080 Okay.

00:04:03.720 Okay.

00:04:04.160 Okay.

00:04:04.520 So...

00:04:04.900 Yeah.

00:04:05.120 So I'm not tying Mossad to the caravan one, but I will stick the boot in the sky and use

00:04:13.040 for inflating the caravan one.

00:04:16.640 Now, I think that's still being investigated, so we'll just be careful...

00:04:19.540 The caravan one?

00:04:20.720 Yeah.

00:04:21.380 Sure, sure.

00:04:21.760 The day after the hate speech laws were passed, then an article came out by Jeff Chambers in

00:04:28.520 The Australian, where they said that basically the explosives had been there for two decades,

00:04:34.860 there were no detonators, and they didn't seem to think it was a terrorist act or related

00:04:39.940 to terrorism.

00:04:41.160 Now, initially, there was a lot of hysteria around that type of reporting.

00:04:45.760 And I said this in the chamber, that it was connected to a couple of meth heads who somehow

00:04:52.020 got tied to it.

00:04:53.380 And I just looked at them and I thought, either these guys are acting as meth heads, or they're

00:04:58.060 either actors as meth heads, or if they're really meth heads, I just, for the life of

00:05:03.820 me, can't see how they would possibly get themselves involved in, you know, getting explosives with

00:05:09.600 no detonators.

00:05:10.480 And then there was supposedly something written.

00:05:12.460 I think this is where we need to be careful.

00:05:13.660 Well, that's the bit they're still investigating is who wrote the note.

00:05:17.300 But the Mossad comment was in regards to the Egyptians.

00:05:19.500 Okay, so that's, it kind of changes things, because in your second post, you refer, I know

00:05:24.800 in your second post you refer, and we're going to get to that in a minute, where you refer

00:05:27.780 to false flag operations that Israel has allegedly or conducted in the past.

00:05:36.360 And so you're not tying that, the explosives in the caravan to that.

00:05:42.500 So you're happy to just see how that plays out?

00:05:45.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:05:46.760 Do you think it's possible that that was a target, potential target attack against the

00:05:51.920 Jewish community?

00:05:53.420 Oh, look, I don't know.

00:05:55.680 But I mean, it's, it's, if they're doing it, they're not doing a very good job, because

00:05:59.240 apparently those explosives have been there for two decades or decades.

00:06:02.800 And there's no detonators.

00:06:05.260 And in the Australian's own words, you know, three or four weeks afterwards, they seem

00:06:09.800 to think, and this, we just don't want to say too much, because they said last week, they're

00:06:13.820 still talking about it, but it didn't seem to be a terrorist act.

00:06:15.980 That's what Jeff Chambers said in Australia.

00:06:18.140 But that, yeah.

00:06:18.860 So when it comes out that it was, you'll accept it.

00:06:21.780 It's, you're not.

00:06:22.300 Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

00:06:23.200 Yeah.

00:06:23.540 All right.

00:06:23.880 Yeah.

00:06:24.060 So the second one, specifically about the Cairo Cafe stunt by the Daily Telegraph, I got

00:06:29.560 to say, I do agree with the ASIO boss when he called it, I don't know what his exact words,

00:06:35.300 but he was essentially calling it foolish.

00:06:38.020 Yeah.

00:06:38.940 But his second comment on that, he didn't seem to know much about it.

00:06:42.700 He was kind of basing off what you were telling him.

00:06:45.000 So he said to you, if what you're saying is true, he's, he would say, think about the

00:06:50.860 person on the receiving end of that.

00:06:53.940 So I guess my question to you is, I agree with you, absolutely foolish, especially the

00:06:59.380 way it was executed, right?

00:07:01.040 But do you know why they targeted the Cairo Cafe?

00:07:04.100 Do you know anything about it?

00:07:05.280 Yeah, I didn't when I posted last week, but they've been posting stuff as well, which they

00:07:09.400 shouldn't be posting.

00:07:10.540 Well, in free speech world, you can, but, you know, as I always say, yeah, I believe in

00:07:15.000 free speech, but we should try and be respectful of each, you know, everyone, right?

00:07:18.740 And so we don't want to go around inflame, flaming tensions when tensions are already

00:07:24.560 ultra inflamed at the moment, because I'm a big believer that Australia is actually a

00:07:28.860 very tolerant country.

00:07:30.280 And what we probably intolerate the most is hysteria.

00:07:35.480 So I arc up whenever I see media over egging stuff.

00:07:40.640 And that's why I attack Sky News Corp, who are, you know, generally me being right of

00:07:44.720 centre, I agree with News Corp more often than not.

00:07:47.860 But on this particular thing, I was livid with them for doing it, because whilst I don't

00:07:52.480 live in Sydney myself, tensions down there are pretty, pretty ripe at the moment.

00:07:56.760 And we don't need to make matters any worse.

00:07:59.140 And after News Corp's getting all self-righteous about anti-Semitism, which fair enough, for

00:08:05.680 them to go around baiting in that cafe example.

00:08:09.560 And even regardless of what these guys had said earlier, they shouldn't, like, for the

00:08:14.340 media to do it, you guys are the last ones to go around inflaming anything.

00:08:19.580 So I accept that.

00:08:21.060 They do it all the time.

00:08:22.340 And it's not just in regards to this issue.

00:08:24.200 So I accept that.

00:08:25.100 I accept that it certainly wasn't executed well.

00:08:29.060 But my question is, do you know what the cafe did post prior to them setting up that

00:08:34.700 stunt?

00:08:35.220 I didn't know when I posted last week, but I'm subsequently told that they posted offensive

00:08:41.680 stuff last year as well.

00:08:42.780 Well, he was telling his audience on Instagram, Zionist pigs to stay away from his venue.

00:08:49.140 Okay, so do you think Mossad, because you're saying that in relation to that story, you

00:08:55.480 think that the Mossad is involved.

00:08:57.400 So do you think the Mossad got him to write that or to get the Daily Telegraph to go there

00:09:02.540 and do, what exactly do you think that the Mossad is doing in that story to, in your

00:09:09.800 words, incite the racism?

00:09:12.720 Okay, so I don't think they would have got the Egyptian guy to write what they wrote.

00:09:17.340 You agree that he would have done that on his own?

00:09:18.940 And I don't know.

00:09:19.800 Like, I mean, when I beg the question, you're right in the sense that I don't know, but I

00:09:25.720 am begging the question, because, you know, we know, and I mean, I've discussed this, and

00:09:30.020 I mean, my view is ASIO has intelligence assets inside the media today.

00:09:36.040 I don't think there's any doubt about that.

00:09:38.500 I think CIA, it's well known Operation Mockingbird, you know, it was exposed back in the 70s.

00:09:44.200 I mean, you can pretty much look at, you know, most of your mainstream media today, and it,

00:09:48.780 you know, they just parrot the same talking points from the government.

00:09:51.900 And, but no, so my reference, and my question is, the guy that wore the skull cap, he could

00:09:59.360 be a Mossad agent.

00:10:00.780 Was he a Mossad agent?

00:10:02.260 Contacted the media, and the media, and the Daily Telegraph should have told them, because

00:10:06.100 apparently they did contact another Jewish agency who said, we're not interested, and

00:10:10.760 I'm glad they said that.

00:10:13.200 But clearly this bloke decided he was interested, and then went to that cafe, because I don't

00:10:18.940 know who the lady was, but she had an okra accent on the clip.

00:10:22.520 So she certainly wasn't going to get baited.

00:10:26.220 But that stunt was a stupid stunt.

00:10:29.140 I'm not arguing the stupid stunt.

00:10:31.320 I'm trying to work out where you think that the Mossad potentially is involved in controlling

00:10:35.180 News Corp.

00:10:36.240 Well, so potential, the potential connection is the guy that wore the skull cap.

00:10:39.980 Now, I don't know that he is.

00:10:41.000 I'm not saying he is, right?

00:10:42.900 But the point is, is that it wouldn't be hard.

00:10:45.760 I mean, Mossad's the second biggest espionage agency in the world after the CIA, right?

00:10:49.560 So if they wanted to get at these guys, they could do it.

00:10:52.080 I mean, Mossad could do anything they wanted to.

00:10:54.680 I guess what would be in it for Mossad to target that cafe in that way and to get that?

00:11:01.140 Why?

00:11:01.580 Because it would suit their narrative to inflame tensions.

00:11:07.540 Do you really think that the Mossad, like, is spending any resources in changing opinions

00:11:15.540 here in Australia?

00:11:16.940 Is there really that much of a need for Mossad to incite racism in a Sydney cafe?

00:11:27.300 For what reason?

00:11:28.260 I don't get what the outcome is.

00:11:29.820 My question is...

00:11:31.460 Well, no, that's a good question, Arby.

00:11:32.800 Can I answer that one?

00:11:34.120 So there is no need for them to do it and they shouldn't do it, right?

00:11:37.360 Sure, I agree.

00:11:37.720 The problem is Mossad, just like every other government agency, becomes a hammer looking

00:11:42.500 for a nail, right?

00:11:43.920 So, you know, was there a need to invade Iraq when there were chemical weapons, when there

00:11:47.820 were no chemical weapons in Iraq?

00:11:49.580 I mean, at the end of the day, they contrived the story and they just, you know, the Western,

00:11:53.400 the West, not, this isn't, well, it may or may not be, but, you know, like the West,

00:11:57.740 let's just call it the West, you know, went and invaded a country there, right?

00:12:01.560 Was there any need to overthrow a democratically elected government in Ukraine in 2014?

00:12:06.680 Just because there's no need to do something doesn't mean to say, I mean, I'm just today

00:12:11.440 trying to apply for GST and I've got to, you know, I've been told I've got to get a digital

00:12:14.580 ID, it's not my director's ID, my guv doesn't work.

00:12:17.560 Do I need six or seven different bits of regulation to get something done?

00:12:21.780 Of course not.

00:12:22.420 But they make rules, they do things, they create reasons.

00:12:26.020 So Mossad, just like any other agency that's paid, becomes a hammer looking for a nail.

00:12:32.120 I can accept that, but my question in this particular scenario, does it not make more

00:12:37.700 sense?

00:12:38.020 So let me give you another example of something, another scenario and tell me if you think

00:12:42.800 another agency would take advantage of it.

00:12:46.720 So let's say it was a shop that had posted online saying no white colonizers allowed in

00:12:54.940 here.

00:12:55.400 And then some proud Aussie thought, you know what?

00:12:59.080 I'm going to do a stunt.

00:12:59.980 I'm going to wrap myself in an Australian flag.

00:13:02.000 I'm going to tell the press I'm going to this place.

00:13:04.160 I'm going to be wrapped in an Australian flag because we know what they're saying about

00:13:07.620 Aussies.

00:13:08.100 And so they're going to have a reaction that you can capture on camera.

00:13:12.200 Now up to the journalist, whether they go ahead and, and, and copy it.

00:13:15.880 But is that not a much more likely scenario that they upset a local Jew in Sydney who goes,

00:13:24.660 I've got a great idea.

00:13:25.760 These guys are telling Zionists and all that in.

00:13:28.260 So I'm going to wrap myself in a, in a, I think he was wearing, I think he was wearing

00:13:32.260 an Israeli cap.

00:13:33.360 I don't know, an Israeli, so he wasn't even wearing a skull cap.

00:13:36.680 I think he was just wearing an Israeli.

00:13:38.700 Oh, okay.

00:13:39.400 Yeah.

00:13:40.740 And that was really what, like, again, still a foolish decision, but I don't see if there's

00:13:47.960 any evidence of a Mossad connection here.

00:13:51.840 And, and I'd be with you if, if, if there was like, if there really was some sort of connection

00:13:56.660 to any security force, uh, kind of driving racism, um, I'd be with you, but I think here

00:14:04.000 it's pretty clear.

00:14:05.060 It seems like there's a clear story here.

00:14:06.760 There's a cafe that told a certain part of the Australian community, you're not welcome

00:14:14.300 in my shop because of who you are.

00:14:16.600 So one of those people that were targeted by that decided, you know what, let's test your

00:14:21.460 theory and I'll invite the media to join me on that test.

00:14:25.400 Doesn't that make much more sense in the Mossad getting involved in that?

00:14:28.780 Look, look, look, that, that, that could be plausible, right?

00:14:31.980 I, I, I just personally.

00:14:33.240 Do you not think it's more plausible?

00:14:36.060 Um, I don't know, is the answer.

00:14:38.420 Like, like, I don't know.

00:14:39.580 I mean, in the same clip that that, when Channel 9 posted it, that guy was also calling for

00:14:44.960 respect for each other, right?

00:14:46.400 So, um, I don't know.

00:14:48.940 Sure, sure.

00:14:49.300 Is the answer.

00:14:49.900 Sure.

00:14:50.100 But let's go to the second, let me give you this, back to the scenario that I gave you that

00:14:53.280 it was an Aussie wrapped in an Australian flag.

00:14:55.640 And if at the end of it, he was on a Channel 9 clip and he was saying, we should all respect

00:14:59.840 each other because we're in Australia and we're all Australians.

00:15:03.120 Would you think that that's another government agency?

00:15:05.620 It's the same thing.

00:15:06.540 It's just being applied with somebody who was the target of it, wearing an Israeli flag.

00:15:10.700 Like, that's the only, that's the only part of this puzzle that, that makes you, I guess,

00:15:16.460 jump to the question of whether the Mossad had any, um, involvement in it when it's pretty

00:15:21.980 obvious, especially maybe it's more obvious to me because I'm a Jew and I've lived in the

00:15:27.280 last 18 months.

00:15:28.860 Um, often on the receiving end of a lot of that hate.

00:15:34.340 Um, so I know exactly how the community is feeling and I know how easy it is for one.

00:15:40.100 And I, in fact, know who the person is and I know he's not a Mossad agent, unless you

00:15:44.740 think I'm a Mossad agent.

00:15:45.700 Do you think I'm a Mossad agent?

00:15:46.960 I'd be the worst Mossad agent.

00:15:47.900 You could be, because here's the thing.

00:15:49.460 You're not going to tell me you're an intelligent asset, right?

00:15:52.160 I would.

00:15:52.460 I assume, and look, this isn't a Jewish thing.

00:15:55.520 You don't understand this.

00:15:56.380 I mean, Alex Antic will tell you this, right?

00:15:58.300 Like I say all the time in my role as a Senator, I must have spoken to now people who've been

00:16:04.280 intelligence assets or not who they say they are to sound me out.

00:16:08.740 And as I say, I don't really care because I put everything out on Facebook, right?

00:16:11.720 So I'm not one of these people who plays my cards close to the chest.

00:16:14.160 I'm a total open book.

00:16:15.300 That's why I'm here today.

00:16:15.660 Mate, you came on this show when I asked you, you said yes straight away.

00:16:18.360 I'm not, it's, that's not my questions here.

00:16:21.080 Yeah.

00:16:21.700 Yeah.

00:16:22.200 Um, so I don't know, right?

00:16:24.180 Like that, that's the whole thing.

00:16:25.440 And I mean, it's terrible to say this, but I just don't trust anyone anymore after all

00:16:29.820 the crap and all the lies.

00:16:31.400 Like I'm a complete and utter cynic and, and the more the hysteria I see.

00:16:36.340 So, you know, it's like, I mean, I've had conversations with people around climate change where I have

00:16:41.460 sat down and I have done the physics and I've done, you know, gone right back to Isaac Newton's,

00:16:46.580 you know, theory of universal gravity, then tied that into the ideal gas law, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:16:51.460 Treat it like in a conversation like this.

00:16:53.300 And at the end of the conversation, I'm still called a climate denier, right?

00:16:55.920 Um, and so, and, and so I've come from being a climate denier to, you know, an anti-vaxxer,

00:17:02.600 despite the fact I invested in gene technology stocks prior to becoming a Senator.

00:17:06.800 Um, you know, my own son's allergic to penicillin and other ones allergic to pecans and walnuts

00:17:10.780 and other daughters allergic to nickel.

00:17:12.460 So it's, whenever I see the hysteria get ramped up, I'm immediately like, what, what is the

00:17:19.720 hysteria all about here?

00:17:21.060 I think that's done, I think COVID has done that to a lot of people and I agree with you.

00:17:28.320 And that's why I say, I, you know, I admired a lot of your work, especially during COVID,

00:17:33.460 but let's be clear.

00:17:34.820 I am not a Mossad agent.

00:17:35.920 I would be the worst Mossad agent in the world because, you know, like there's photos of

00:17:38.700 me in the Israeli army.

00:17:39.880 I've not, I don't shy away from the fact that I served and I'm proud Israeli.

00:17:44.620 I'm an Australian first, I'm Israeli second.

00:17:47.680 And I think that do not conflict at all because we, for me, it's about morals.

00:17:52.940 I think that if one, if either country was hijacked by, let's say a radical communist regime,

00:18:00.500 then I wouldn't stand for, for no matter which country it was, because for me, it's about

00:18:05.860 values.

00:18:07.080 Um, but here.

00:18:08.680 Okay.

00:18:09.160 Can we talk about that in a minute?

00:18:11.060 Sure.

00:18:11.480 Because I want to talk about our values as a country, both Australia, Israel, and whoever

00:18:15.820 else, right?

00:18:16.740 Because this is where I've got a real beef at the moment and I'll take it out on Sky

00:18:20.640 News here.

00:18:21.820 20 years ago, they were egging on the Iraqi war and the chemical weapons of mass destruction,

00:18:28.100 right?

00:18:28.620 We have a Muslim problem or a Muslim assimilation problem today here in Australia.

00:18:33.580 Absolutely.

00:18:33.980 Now, part of that, not all of it, has been a result of the bombing.

00:18:38.140 We have bombed the crap out of the Middle East in the last 20 years.

00:18:41.080 And we have got a, you know, I don't know if the flood of refugees is the right word

00:18:45.120 to describe it, but we have created a problem in the Middle East and some of that's come

00:18:50.220 here to Australia.

00:18:51.320 Sure.

00:18:51.900 Um, you know, and there's a simulation problem.

00:18:54.020 Two things can be true at the same time.

00:18:55.940 Our involvement in Middle East conflicts, um, absolutely.

00:18:59.860 Some of them were wrong.

00:19:01.600 Um, yeah.

00:19:02.300 And this is coming from someone that, I was a bit younger then, but I probably supported

00:19:06.480 it, um, and, and I could tell you straight to your face, I think that a lot of those

00:19:10.520 interventions and, and, and we've gotten things wrong, but, uh, the idea that we had

00:19:14.300 to take the refugees after was a different problem.

00:19:17.060 We shouldn't have been doing that and we shouldn't do that now.

00:19:18.980 That's why I say now with Gaza, don't take any of the refugees.

00:19:22.460 Yeah.

00:19:22.880 Yeah.

00:19:23.100 No, that, that's fine.

00:19:24.060 I'm not going to argue with that, but at the same time, it's like, it's the hypocrisy

00:19:27.780 of how we will arc up about, you know, stuff going on here about the Muslims or whatever.

00:19:34.200 Well, they would be pretty pissed if they had seen some of their family members get

00:19:38.900 killed, you know, the house get blown up, their country destroyed.

00:19:42.420 Now that doesn't justify, you know, bringing it here.

00:19:45.200 Right.

00:19:45.460 I just want to be clear about that.

00:19:46.760 But we talk about our values in some self-righteous manner.

00:19:50.840 And this is what annoys me is that we're not perfect either.

00:19:54.480 Um, and we need to be, you know, entirely.

00:19:57.980 Sure.

00:19:58.400 And it's from Sky.

00:19:59.680 When I see News Corp getting on their soapbox about, you know, it's just a hypocrisy.

00:20:06.240 And it's on both sides, by the way.

00:20:08.040 Um, it's not just, you know, um, our, you know, I'll say, well, I'm sort of slightly

00:20:12.540 right of center, but, um, uh, it annoys me that how we take the moral high ground.

00:20:18.840 But don't you think we have, I, I, even saying that, don't you think that we in the West as

00:20:25.960 a free democratic country, it, with all our faults do have the moral high ground.

00:20:31.240 We are, we do generally, there are sometimes, um, bad faith actors who get in and, and, and,

00:20:38.620 and do stuff that, that, that work against our principles.

00:20:41.640 But the essence of what we stand for is good.

00:20:45.080 We do have the moral high ground.

00:20:46.400 We are fighting for freedom and democracy.

00:20:47.960 Well, well, well, in its purest state.

00:20:51.260 Exactly.

00:20:51.840 So, so, so it's corrupted by individuals.

00:20:54.460 It's corrupted by individual organizations or individuals at times.

00:20:59.020 But what we really stand for in Australia, um, and when I talk to you about Israel and

00:21:05.060 Australia, the values are aligned is those core values of freedom and democracy.

00:21:09.960 That's what I care about.

00:21:11.400 And that's what I would fight for.

00:21:12.700 If one of those countries turned into a communist or an Islamo-fascist shithole, I would not back

00:21:21.520 the country just because I'm from there.

00:21:23.320 I would stand, I would fight to my last breath to get back to the values of freedom and democracy.

00:21:29.280 Absolutely.

00:21:30.120 Has Australia stuffed up?

00:21:31.380 Has Australia got things wrong?

00:21:33.120 Absolutely.

00:21:34.060 Has Israel got things wrong?

00:21:35.840 Absolutely.

00:21:36.560 We wouldn't be in the position we are today if Israel hadn't stuffed up in the past.

00:21:40.500 But, but that doesn't mean that I'm now going to blame every little problem or imply that

00:21:48.140 every problem that we're having, or even, even worse, imply that now that Jews are targets

00:21:54.760 here, and they have been, you cannot argue that Jews have not been, that they've been

00:21:58.980 targets.

00:21:59.360 No, no, and I don't, just to be clear.

00:22:01.440 So, so.

00:22:02.000 But can I just come back to, you talk about if we turn into some eco-fascism, whatever.

00:22:06.040 However, we, we have been involved, so take the Middle East, right, so say we, the CIA

00:22:10.040 overthrew a democratically elected government in Iran in 1953, right, like that was overthrown.

00:22:15.440 We threw a democratically elected government in Ukraine in 2014, I'll say we, the deep state,

00:22:20.780 right, I call them the deep state Democrats, but to be fair, it was actually Eisenhower,

00:22:24.360 even though I'm not sure Eisenhower was aware of it, because it happened in the first year

00:22:27.320 of his term, and I think it was Dulles that did it.

00:22:29.760 But, the, the, and then, you know, we, it now turns out that Al-Qaeda, we were funding

00:22:34.720 Al-Qaeda, I'll say we, you know, the West, was funding Al-Qaeda.

00:22:39.340 I mean, that's why I reckon I locked Julian Assange up, it wasn't because he was exposing

00:22:42.680 the war crimes in Iraq, it was that he was on to the whole fact that the CIA and the

00:22:46.800 Pentagon were funding Al-Qaeda in Syria, to overturn Syria.

00:22:51.160 Now, you know, I'm not saying Assad was a good guy, but I'm not sure replacing Assad

00:22:55.160 with Al-Qaeda is any better.

00:22:57.220 And you're not going to, you're not going to get an argument from me on all of that,

00:23:00.480 and a lot of that is also above my pay grade.

00:23:02.480 I think that there's a lot of things that the intelligence community have done in this

00:23:05.900 world, all intelligence community, that has been straight up evil, but there's also a

00:23:12.080 lot of things that they've done that worked out well.

00:23:14.900 So, I agree with you, a lot of the things that you're mentioning here, and some of them,

00:23:18.920 time will tell, what's happened in Syria now, time will tell, if the ex-Al-Qaeda guys,

00:23:25.340 like if I had to put my bet on it, I wouldn't trust Al-Qaeda guys running Syria, but Assad

00:23:29.960 wasn't a good guy either, so I don't know exactly, but back to the post, and back to

00:23:36.280 what we're talking about, because the first post was referring to, you're saying the Cairo

00:23:40.520 Cafe is the implication, you're not really sure, it's, when you say you're just asking,

00:23:47.160 do you mean you're just, because I don't know if you know the internet today, I don't

00:23:50.840 know how old you are, how am I allowed to ask, is it rude to ask a man?

00:23:53.700 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm born 1970, so 54 going on, 55.

00:23:57.080 54, 55, I don't know if you get the internet when you're saying, I'm just asking this question,

00:24:02.980 it needs to be asked, but really, people read between the lines, which is what Sky News

00:24:08.460 was getting at, is that people in the comments were supporting your notion, because nobody

00:24:13.520 really takes it as just a question, people take it as, now, I think this is a Mossad thing,

00:24:18.360 but I don't have to stick to, here, we've gone through it, you don't really have evidence

00:24:23.400 of it being a Mossad thing, I've given you another example of it, just being an Australian

00:24:28.660 and about Australia, and you would agree that if they did that to an Australian, if an Australian

00:24:34.360 went in there, wrapped in an Aussie flag, you wouldn't have the same, or would you, would

00:24:38.920 you have the same view?

00:24:40.080 Well, an Aussie would go about it differently, they'd go, well, if you've got a problem,

00:24:43.200 like, they'd be a lot more assertive, but if an Aussie went as a stunt, and did it in

00:24:50.380 the same way, wrapped in an Aussie flag, come on, we're a country of how many million Aussies,

00:24:54.760 and we don't know how each one will play it out, no, I know, I know proud Aussies that

00:24:59.480 would wrap in an Australian flag, and I get it all the time, because there's always Aussies

00:25:02.900 messaging me about different stunts they want to do on Australia Day, and whether I'll come

00:25:06.360 along and copy them, you know, whether it's in Woolworths, confronting the idea of not

00:25:11.040 selling Australian, Aussie Day merchandise, or whatever, so Aussies come up with similar

00:25:16.420 stunts, so if an Aussie did it in that exact way, would you question whether it was security,

00:25:22.360 intelligence, interference, or foreign, or domestic, would you question it?

00:25:27.340 If they did it in Australia, no, but if they did it in another country, I would, because

00:25:31.920 why would you need to, if you're Jewish, why would you, you know, to me, you should be,

00:25:36.840 if you go into a cafe, and you'd be going, you're discriminating against me, because

00:25:42.060 I'm an Aussie, I wouldn't go into a cafe being on the defensive, because I was,

00:25:46.960 but if they were targeting you as an Aussie, no, but if they were targeting, if they were

00:25:51.140 targeting Aussies, if they said the exact same thing, so the thing that they said is Zionist

00:25:55.320 picks stay away from this venue, if they said Aussies, Aussie, you know, the same thing that

00:26:00.460 they call Israelis, uh, colonial Aussie occupiers, um, stay, pigs, the words they use is pigs,

00:26:09.160 to stay away from my venue, if then an Aussie, wrapped in an Aussie flag, went in there to

00:26:16.180 test it, would you think it was an intelligence operation?

00:26:22.200 Uh, well.

00:26:23.940 Or would you just think it's an outraged Aussie?

00:26:25.760 Um, probably an outraged Aussie, but that's only in Australia, so if, if, if Australians

00:26:33.360 were living in another country.

00:26:33.620 Sure, but if you can, if you can recognise that an Aussie, if you can recognise that an

00:26:36.820 Aussie feels under attack in the moment that any shop in Australia tells him, as an Aussie,

00:26:42.940 you're not welcome in my shop, can you not recognise how somebody who's a Zionist would feel

00:26:49.860 the same about if a shop, even if it's in Australia, remember the shop owner, the guy's,

00:26:54.880 he's Egyptian, he is targeting a different group of Australians.

00:26:59.760 And I, and I guess you, you just say, so you're saying this, the owner's Egyptian and

00:27:04.040 this other guy's Jewish and, and that's the problem.

00:27:07.240 So the Jewish guy should have went in there and said, are you targeting me because I'm an

00:27:10.580 Aussie?

00:27:12.380 So, so that, that's the point, right?

00:27:14.480 Like, I didn't even know you were Jewish.

00:27:16.920 I'm an Aussie Jew.

00:27:18.320 Okay.

00:27:18.580 The problem, the problem in this case is that the, the, the cafe was targeting Aussie Jews

00:27:25.660 or Aussie Zionists.

00:27:29.200 Not, he wasn't targeting just Aussies.

00:27:32.120 So in this case, it was somebody who identifies as that.

00:27:35.200 And all I'm trying to give you is the exact scenario in which it could happen and is most

00:27:40.360 likely to happen and how I personally know because of my Mossad contacts, that that's

00:27:45.660 how it happened.

00:27:46.940 Anyways, we'll move on to your second post.

00:27:49.360 You, on your second post, you're reacting to the Sky News monologue from James McPherson,

00:27:56.100 where he was mocking the idea that your, that him and his colleagues were working for Mossad

00:28:01.460 because of their reporting on antisemitism.

00:28:04.600 Yeah.

00:28:04.700 So that was an over-egg for a start because I never said that he was or anyone on Sky News

00:28:09.600 was.

00:28:09.720 You said News Corp.

00:28:10.620 News Corp is part of it.

00:28:11.980 Well, well, News Corp, yeah, because News Corp, but that's not, say, everyone within

00:28:15.520 News Corp, every journalist, and that's what annoys me because I know News Corp was pushing

00:28:19.940 the COVID jabs, but I know plenty of Sky journalists that didn't agree with it.

00:28:23.540 Right.

00:28:23.780 So he's gone and taken it upon himself.

00:28:26.080 And the reason why I say News Corp is because Murdoch runs, he does push narratives out through

00:28:31.200 his papers.

00:28:32.520 Right.

00:28:32.720 So when I'm attacking News Corp, I'm attacking Murdoch and then those who go along with Murdoch.

00:28:37.240 Sure, but you're implying that there's a Mossad infiltration into News Corp.

00:28:42.180 Is that Murdoch is the Mossad infiltration or you're saying that?

00:28:45.720 Oh, I'm not saying Murdoch's the Mossad infiltration, but, you know, I would not be surprised.

00:28:50.140 I mean, they're a worldwide media organisation if Mossad had people inside News Corp.

00:28:55.580 I mean, I wouldn't be surprised.

00:28:56.540 That could be, it wouldn't surprise me if they were, excuse me, American media, media, whatever.

00:29:01.040 Yeah, I agree with you.

00:29:02.600 I'm not arguing that.

00:29:03.760 And it's one thing not to be surprised by it.

00:29:06.700 I wouldn't be surprised if Aussie, ASIO was in American media.

00:29:11.240 It's kind of, that's their industry.

00:29:14.600 Like or to hate it, that's their industry.

00:29:16.560 And they're designed to protect us.

00:29:18.940 Sometimes they probably get us into more trouble and other times they're probably very successful.

00:29:23.760 I don't know.

00:29:24.180 But my point here is James, James mocked the idea, which was, if you read the post, I think a fair person would read that implication as well.

00:29:34.580 So my question would be then, do you want, do you think Sky News should ignore or downplay what's been happening since October 7 on our streets across the country, mainly Melbourne and Sydney, let's say, just as the ABC has done.

00:29:48.700 The ABC has ignored, the only time the ABC has reported on these sorts of attacks, the different antisemitic attacks.

00:29:56.440 And there's been a lot of them since October 7, as early as October 9, which I don't think you can blame anyone but the people responsible for them.

00:30:05.620 But ABC, even that one on October 9, ABC ignored them while Sky News reported.

00:30:10.200 Do you think that Sky News would be better off not reporting what's been happening and downplaying it just like ABC?

00:30:17.660 Or is it good that they're reporting what's happening?

00:30:20.360 It's just not nice what's happening.

00:30:23.600 Look, they can report it and they talk about it.

00:30:25.940 But, you know, I've watched Sky News on some nights and it goes back to back to back to back to back about antisemitism, the Gaza, the Palestine stuff.

00:30:34.720 Now, someone that's, you know, born and raised in Australia, no connection to any other country, when we've got a cost of living crisis, an energy crisis, an immigration crisis, you're like, why is Sky News?

00:30:44.600 And the Australian's just as bad.

00:30:46.880 Like, I'll log on to the Australian in the morning and first three articles will be about antisemitism or something like that, right?

00:30:54.100 Well, that may be, and it may be a serious, I mean, you know, it's a genuine issue, right?

00:30:58.660 I'm not disputing that.

00:31:00.140 But I can tell you up here in Queensland, regional Australia, and most parts of Sydney even, this is not the main issue of the day, right?

00:31:08.860 And they are actually pouring the fuel on it in some respects because you're starting talking about this stuff all the time.

00:31:16.760 It just, it gives people the idea to react to it, right?

00:31:22.940 Rightly or wrongly, that's what happens.

00:31:25.100 And the reaction by McPherson towards me, I don't know James that well, but he went on for five minutes.

00:31:33.580 He made a clip about, there's Hamas in my office.

00:31:36.900 It's like, get real.

00:31:37.280 He was making a point, but let's go back.

00:31:40.320 I don't want to argue about him.

00:31:42.040 I want to talk about the reporting.

00:31:45.360 My question is, should they downplay?

00:31:46.820 So, unfortunately, since October 7, there has been, and I was the first person, I'm the first person who would condemn the abuse of the term anti-Semitism.

00:31:57.540 I didn't even like using it until recently because I feel like we're actually in a position.

00:32:02.540 So, as tired as you are seeing it on Sky News and The Australian, trust me, I'm tired of feeling it.

00:32:09.120 But, and when you say that it doesn't affect, you know, the country, Australia or whatever, wherever you're saying it doesn't affect.

00:32:16.020 Well, what I'd argue to you is it doesn't affect them yet.

00:32:19.080 You know, I always tell people, you know, first they come historically for the Saturday people and then they come for the Sunday people.

00:32:25.380 If you turn a blind eye now to majority of those that are turning against Jews, and I'm talking about from a lot of the immigrants that we brought in,

00:32:34.520 there are enclaves that the hate is pure in their heart against Jews.

00:32:39.400 And the ABC is ignoring it because it's an uncomfortable subject for the ABC because platforms like the ABC that import and promote importing more of this culture.

00:32:51.300 Well, it doesn't really sit well when that's the culture that's got a blind hate for another part of the Australian community.

00:32:57.360 And what will happen is when they're done with the Jews, when the Jews aren't fighting back anymore, and you keep bringing more of them in,

00:33:03.680 that's why it is a warning to the rest of Australia.

00:33:05.500 If you keep bringing more of those in, at the end of it, they're going to turn against the exact people you think it doesn't affect

00:33:12.540 because of the cost of living issues and those other really important issues at the moment.

00:33:17.420 I think we can do both.

00:33:18.640 I think we need to talk about if attacks are happening every day, as they have been, I think it is the media's role to report them.

00:33:27.280 I think it's also their role to report the cost of living crisis and all the other important issues happening across the country.

00:33:34.420 I don't blame Sky News and The Australian for reporting each and every one of the attacks because, you know what, quite frankly, I don't trust the ABC in doing it.

00:33:43.820 The ABC refused to do so until the stories got too big.

00:33:49.360 But, Arby, you know, there's women out there that get beat up every night.

00:33:52.780 There's Australians out there that are homeless every night as well.

00:33:55.840 And so, you know, by all means, report it, but then it's balanced reporting as well.

00:34:00.060 So the question is when they do nothing but talk about this particular issue, which impacts people in Australia.

00:34:06.580 I'm not saying it doesn't and I'm not saying it's serious, but it impacts certain –

00:34:10.680 and I don't disagree with you, by the way, on, you know, we don't want to import this.

00:34:15.980 And I've made that very clear.

00:34:17.180 I've made it clear in that post.

00:34:18.300 We just don't want to import these old ethnic rivalries, right, because it's not – you come here, you've got to be Australia first.

00:34:24.820 And that's my view.

00:34:25.920 And it's the same for the media.

00:34:27.260 We need to focus on what's going on here, notwithstanding that there are, you know, attacks.

00:34:32.280 But, you know, it's about proportionality.

00:34:37.220 And the response by James McPherson by, you know, to what my comment was is if I don't push a pro-Islam point of view every day on my page.

00:34:48.620 So for him to accuse me of having Hamas in my office is just total.

00:34:50.940 I don't think he was mocking – he was mocking – the way I read it was he was mocking the idea that just because you take a stand against it, it means you're pro-Israel.

00:35:00.640 And he goes, well, just because you're standing against it, it makes you pro-Hamas.

00:35:03.740 And then he says, I don't actually think you've got Hamas infiltrated into your office.

00:35:09.820 It's just you see how that –

00:35:11.400 And then he goes on to talk about the rallies last year, which, you know, I have never mentioned in terms of promotion or anything like that.

00:35:20.780 Other than – and I haven't referred to anything specific.

00:35:23.080 I've said don't bring it here.

00:35:24.140 I don't want to know about it.

00:35:24.980 Sure.

00:35:25.160 We need to deal with our issues here in Australia.

00:35:27.960 And I agree with you.

00:35:29.040 I don't think we should import any ancient or current conflicts into Australia.

00:35:35.760 But let me put it to you this way.

00:35:37.460 We look at the rallies over the last – again, since October 7th.

00:35:41.400 You've had weekly rallies across the country, huge anti-Israel, waving either Palestinian flags or Aboriginal flags.

00:35:53.880 Never an Australian flag – not one Australian flag ever in that time at any of those rallies.

00:35:59.440 There's been terrorist flags until they banned them.

00:36:01.960 And then on the other side, you've had a few times where the Jews were pushed too far.

00:36:05.580 I think there's probably a handful of rallies, pro-Israel rallies from Jews that are full of Australian flags because they're proud of being Australian first.

00:36:14.500 But no one in Australia wants to feel like they're scared to walk on the street because of who they are.

00:36:20.840 And don't want to feel like they're not allowed into a cafe because they happen to be the wrong kind of Australian.

00:36:27.420 So I would argue to you that one is protecting Australia.

00:36:31.900 The other isn't.

00:36:32.860 And that's why Sky News, an Australian-loving broadcast – and I'm no defender of the mainstream media.

00:36:40.220 Hell, it's why I exist, is because of how these people – mostly, it was COVID.

00:36:46.080 In COVID, how they dropped the ball and how the mainstream media struggle with the truth too often.

00:36:51.780 But I feel like this is the wrong fight to pick because they are taking a strong stand in defending proud Australians, in feeling safe in Australia,

00:37:01.740 whilst at the same time pointing out we're importing people that hate this country as much as they hate the group they're protesting every week for the last 18 months.

00:37:15.460 Yeah, okay.

00:37:15.980 Let me ask you, do you really believe that it's Sky News causing the division, not actually just a divide in the community and one that, yeah, I think is self-inflicted by what we've imported here?

00:37:33.840 To a degree, it's not all self-inflicted, but yeah.

00:37:36.260 Sorry?

00:37:37.660 To a degree, it's not all self-inflicted.

00:37:39.580 I think to a large degree, if you bring people to Australia who are going to essentially hate Australia, and they happen to also hate Jews in Israel, who knows in which order, but it is self-inflicted.

00:37:57.040 And then also, can't people say the same about you, especially in the current climate where you're implying that the only Jewish state is plotting to cause division in Australia

00:38:07.340 and that the politician that we don't know who he sold out to or he or Cher sold out to, so implying that, again, that must mean they're working for Israel without throwing any other names on there and without providing any evidence.

00:38:23.240 No, no, no, so what do you think must mean, but I gave the reason why, is that the coalition, and I've said this before, because the two, both major parties are quiet about this, it's clearly not something, well, I could be wrong about this.

00:38:36.540 What if it's Ukraine?

00:38:37.480 What if it's Ukraine?

00:38:38.940 What if it's the US?

00:38:42.120 Yeah, I don't know why they're, well, yeah, fair point.

00:38:45.540 Those are all examples, but that's why I'm showing to you, when you say that they're causing division, that Sky News is causing division by making, by doing that,

00:38:53.420 I'd argue you're causing division by literally pointing out in the current climate where there is so much hate directed towards the Jews to pick on the one Jewish state when whatever you're saying could be applied to Ukraine, to the US, to the UK.

00:39:09.580 Those are all countries that I would see the opposition would, again, not want to, for the same reason.

00:39:17.320 No, because, so wait a minute, Avi, so the US don't give us, offer politicians free trips to the USA, right?

00:39:24.560 So Ukraine, well, it could be Ukraine.

00:39:26.860 Sure, Ukraine.

00:39:27.560 Because they do, they're very heavy handed at the moment, you know, going into parliament, pushing their issues, rightly or wrongly.

00:39:35.780 The British wouldn't do it because they wouldn't need to, because they're already in the tent.

00:39:39.420 Fine, if the whole reason is about the free trips that Israel gives to show, and they do do that, Israel, and Palestinians also.

00:39:46.860 By the way, Palestine does it as well.

00:39:48.680 The difference is that you're arguing that the opposition wouldn't, wouldn't mind saying it if it was Palestinians.

00:39:55.100 So Israel does it, but Ukraine.

00:39:56.940 Or China, or a number of other countries.

00:39:58.540 Ukraine does it, China does it, but in this point, the best would be Ukraine, the best example.

00:40:04.940 And it could, it could be Ukraine.

00:40:06.140 This was, this was about a decade ago, so I doubt it was Ukraine a decade ago.

00:40:10.540 There are a number of countries that it could be a decade ago.

00:40:14.540 We've got to look at the time, who, who, where it's sensitive.

00:40:17.180 At the moment, if it was right now, it could be Ukraine, but you've pointed the finger at specifically the one Jewish state.

00:40:24.420 All I'm saying to you is you're saying Sky News is being divisive by reporting these stories.

00:40:30.380 Aren't you being divisive by pointing at the one without evidence?

00:40:34.880 Like, if you had evidence, I'm with you.

00:40:36.800 If you had evidence, I'm with you.

00:40:38.600 I think that if there was a security thing where an Australian and an Israeli, I don't think that that's okay.

00:40:44.280 But you don't have evidence of it, and you're pointing in the current climate to the one group, which is copying it all, and it's feeding.

00:40:52.520 And you can see it's feeding because all the neo-Nazis, all the far leftists, all the Islamists online are all sharing your posts to give their ideology legitimacy.

00:41:05.060 Because they're saying, look, we have one brave senator who's speaking out and pointing the finger at the Jews.

00:41:11.140 It's actually the Jews that are destroying Australia.

00:41:14.260 No, no, no, no.

00:41:15.040 That's not right, Avi.

00:41:15.960 I'm not pointing the fingers at the Jews.

00:41:17.680 No, no.

00:41:18.040 The one Jewish state.

00:41:19.620 I'm pointing it at Mossad because it's an intelligence agency.

00:41:22.100 Sure.

00:41:22.380 And I might add, I've also quoted another Jew by the name of Albert Einstein in that as well.

00:41:28.620 I'm getting to that, but I'm saying in the current climate.

00:41:33.380 I bag out the deep state Democrats all the time.

00:41:36.040 It doesn't mean to say, in the deep state, it doesn't mean to say I hate Americans.

00:41:39.380 I agree with that, and I do the same about Australia.

00:41:42.320 And I also, I say you can criticise Israeli policy.

00:41:45.460 I criticise Israeli policy, especially during COVID.

00:41:48.080 I don't think that makes you anti-Semitic, but if you're pointing to the one Jewish state for this one issue without any evidence in the current climate and you see that everybody supporting you on it are those three groups, mostly the Islamists and the white supremacists that are just feeding into their narrative, then I'd say you're the one that's creating the divide.

00:42:11.820 You're the one that's helping fuel the divisiveness because it's not, it'd be a different story if you actually had evidence of that, any evidence of it, but you don't.

00:42:20.820 It's just a theory in your head and just asking questions and it's creating and fueling that narrative.

00:42:26.540 Do you see the point that I'm coming?

00:42:28.380 Well, okay.

00:42:29.120 So, Avi, like I posted one line about Mossad possibly in being involved with a minor event in a Sydney cafe, right?

00:42:37.080 And I was actually surprised by the head of the ASIOs, like his words, right?

00:42:41.800 And that's what I posted.

00:42:42.960 Sure.

00:42:43.960 In a, you know, and I post three posts a day.

00:42:46.940 So, I had made one line post and then James McPherson comes out and carries on as though, you know, and, oh, have I got, I mean, the thing is those guys, I mean, so I cropped plenty of emails.

00:42:58.480 Sunday morning, I'm, you know, open up my emails and I'm getting all this stuff about being anti-Semitic.

00:43:03.800 I'm not talking about James McPherson, I'm not here to defend.

00:43:06.840 I knew there must have been a story out there.

00:43:08.760 And then, and then, so I finally realised what it was, you know, someone's told me who it was.

00:43:14.100 I said to the, you know, these people, I said, well, where are you getting this from?

00:43:17.320 And then I've seen James McPherson's five minute rant on Sky, you know, yet again, throw away lines like Hamas is in my office, you know, and then he goes on.

00:43:28.560 I know, I know.

00:43:29.800 And it was just like, okay, James, this is exactly what I'm on about.

00:43:34.500 This is what Sky News has been doing for the last 12 to 18 months.

00:43:38.260 What are they, but what are they doing?

00:43:39.520 Because here's the world in Australia last six years.

00:43:42.260 Climate change, bushfires, panic, panic, panic, COVID, panic, panic, panic, panic, voice, division, division, division, you know, racial division.

00:43:49.840 And in the last 18 months, Palestine, Israel.

00:43:52.300 Now, Palestine, Israel is, I agree with you, is like most Aussies, why do they care?

00:44:00.400 It really, it's a world away.

00:44:02.320 Exactly.

00:44:02.900 They don't.

00:44:03.680 I'm with you on that.

00:44:05.260 Okay.

00:44:05.600 But when there's things happening on the streets and they're reporting it, then fine.

00:44:09.540 And that's why I don't think we need to conflate the two.

00:44:10.940 That's why when I look, and I'm not talking about James's monologue because I'm not here to defend James's monologue.

00:44:17.540 I'm here to question what you wrote in those two posts.

00:44:21.200 And part of what you wrote in that post is you said, if, when you were answering James, you go, if Sky News really wants to stop the division, why don't they investigate funding of Hamas?

00:44:31.820 And you shared an article from the New York Times of all places as your source.

00:44:38.060 So like, I'm saying, let's pretend that the New York Times article is fully true.

00:44:43.040 It isn't, but let's pretend it is.

00:44:45.760 How would investigating the funding of Hamas stop the division in Australia?

00:44:51.600 It's just after what we've said that I think that there are two separate issues.

00:44:55.260 You have the war, Israel and Hamas, and you have the attacks and all the growing, I hate the word, the Jew hatred, the anti-Semitism that we've seen since October.

00:45:05.620 How would that stop?

00:45:07.360 How would investigating the funding of Hamas stop the division here in Australia?

00:45:13.480 Well, I mean, we need to find out why Hamas did what they did.

00:45:16.360 I mean, it's the...

00:45:17.020 But they're two different things.

00:45:17.920 But we just said that.

00:45:18.920 No, they're not because this has blown up since October 7th.

00:45:22.480 I mean, look, I'm sure it was always there under the surface at a much lower level, but still there, right?

00:45:27.140 So I'm not denying it's not there, right?

00:45:29.140 Listen, you could go to most mosques on a Friday.

00:45:32.840 There are a lot of passages in there that are directed at Jews.

00:45:37.000 And so it's always been there.

00:45:38.620 It's come to the surface.

00:45:40.240 I'm sure it was there.

00:45:41.580 You know, it probably wasn't.

00:45:42.800 But Sky has been on about it nonstop since October 7th.

00:45:46.740 Now, yet again, the entire Middle Eastern war on terror has been a complete and utter Truman show over the last 20 years.

00:45:55.500 The lies, the chemical weapons of mass destruction was a lie.

00:45:58.800 We stayed in Afghanistan for another 10 years after bin Laden was killed, despite the fact they found him in Pakistan.

00:46:05.040 So, you know, why did we go to Afghanistan?

00:46:07.180 But I'm not arguing all of that.

00:46:09.680 Syria, it now turns out we're funding.

00:46:11.420 So, you know, okay, so let's get more specific.

00:46:14.120 So then the Comdex shorts, the commitment of traders on gold had closed out to its lowest level in the month prior to October the 7th.

00:46:22.600 You know, we've got the whole story.

00:46:25.600 You know, there is a legitimate – I have a genuine issue here with how is it that the Israel Defence Force didn't see what was going to happen?

00:46:35.840 Like, didn't – like, just – I mean, I would think Mossad as the intelligence organisation.

00:46:39.340 I am with you, and I think the majority of Israel is with you in wanting to know how October 7 was able to come – to happen, right?

00:46:51.760 Most of Israel – I've been to Israel a number of times since October 7.

00:46:54.460 I served in Gaza.

00:46:55.600 Kfar Aza, the one that they butchered all the soldiers, that was my base.

00:47:00.500 So, I'm telling you now that, yeah, those questions have to be answered.

00:47:06.000 They do.

00:47:06.700 And the fact is, because Israel is a robust democracy, at the end of all of this, it will be answered.

00:47:15.260 And they're already starting to be –

00:47:16.420 Well, I hope you're right.

00:47:17.540 I hope you're right.

00:47:18.360 I'm sceptical.

00:47:19.220 Nothing against Israel.

00:47:20.060 Okay, so, but I'm saying to you, unlike in Australia, every Israeli is, you know, who's opinionated stands up for what they believe in, and most of the country wants the answers.

00:47:34.240 But they know the answers don't matter if they don't survive the war.

00:47:38.560 So, they need to lock down.

00:47:40.420 They need to make sure they need to win this, and then they want to find out the truth of what happened and the failures.

00:47:46.340 And it's failures.

00:47:46.900 There are massive failures.

00:47:48.040 In fact, just this week, the reports have come out about some of the failures that were happening.

00:47:53.040 But that's all going to come.

00:47:54.420 The question I had for you is, how is investigating the funding of Hamas by Sky News, how is that going to stop the division here in Australia?

00:48:02.800 It hasn't – they're two separate things.

00:48:04.100 Let me answer that, Avi.

00:48:05.160 I'll tell you why.

00:48:05.820 Because, first of all, right, despite the fact that what's taking place is on another country, it is obvious until, you know, the peace settles down in another country.

00:48:17.380 If these people who have arrived to this country – and you're obviously worked up about – you live here.

00:48:21.880 You were born here, right?

00:48:22.900 I love Australia more than anything.

00:48:24.620 Yeah.

00:48:24.820 Yeah, so until such time as that stuff settles down from the point of view of those people who are still looking at the other countries, we can't – this stuff isn't going to settle down.

00:48:34.580 Because while the war continues over there, there's still going to be – you know, the Muslims and the Jews are still going to be fighting here.

00:48:40.240 So, that's the thing.

00:48:42.640 And if Sky wants to keep talking about it – I mean, I've got no problems with them reporting about it.

00:48:48.080 But all they ever do is report, you know, the anti-Semitic attacks here or whatever.

00:48:52.420 Why don't they actually start asking questions, well, how did this happen?

00:48:54.900 Not that it's really up to Sky Australia to be doing this.

00:48:57.200 Sure, but on one hand, you say you don't want – they're reporting too much about the conflict, which I agree with you.

00:49:02.580 I think – did anyone – look, I think ABC's lost the plot.

00:49:07.500 What's that, sorry?

00:49:08.040 I think ABC has lost the plot in their reporting about the war.

00:49:11.860 They love it because it's, you know, it's perfect.

00:49:14.260 It's got the brown victims and they can paint one side as the white colonizer.

00:49:18.740 It's a perfect story for the ABC.

00:49:20.380 And it's like on 24-7.

00:49:22.100 I agree with you.

00:49:22.840 That's why so many people – that's what's fueling the division here is the reporting and making one side the big, brutal colonizer and the other side is the poor little – I think Sky News has far less reach than ABC News.

00:49:35.800 I just don't see how investigating the funding of Hamas is going to stop the division here.

00:49:44.260 I think what's – what –

00:49:45.520 I think it will because we need to stop – we need to stop Hamas, period, right?

00:49:52.280 Because –

00:49:52.620 That I agree with you on.

00:49:53.640 But –

00:49:54.220 Yeah.

00:49:54.760 So do you –

00:49:55.380 So – and this is not just Hamas.

00:49:57.740 I have – I said this in my maiden speech and this was before the Israeli-Gaza war back in 2019.

00:50:03.300 They need to go after the Milo Minderbender.

00:50:05.240 Milo Minderbender was a warmonger in a book called Catch-22, right, about what was going on in the Middle East.

00:50:10.960 And this is the thing.

00:50:12.360 They will always talk about the front end where the puppets – you know, the puppets fighting each other.

00:50:18.000 It's like a punch-and-duty show.

00:50:19.420 But no one ever wants to look at who's pulling the strings.

00:50:22.680 And I – now, I know – I mean, I might pretend to be an expert on this or know what I'm talking about,

00:50:27.720 so I'll throw this out here as another begs a question.

00:50:30.260 But, you know, money does seem to be coming from Qatar to Hamas in Gaza, regardless of whatever Israel may or may not know about it.

00:50:43.040 So – but yet Qatar, I think, has got one of the biggest U.S. military bases.

00:50:46.780 The houses are really big – I'll stand corrected all – you know, certainly an ally of the states, I think, if I'm –

00:50:51.460 The Qatar is less so.

00:50:52.940 You're talking about the Saudis and – Qatar's like –

00:50:55.680 Yeah.

00:50:56.160 Qatar's a bit – Qatar hosts all the terrorists.

00:50:58.640 I agree with you.

00:50:59.160 I think we should cut ties with Qatar.

00:51:00.740 Why are we supporting terrorists?

00:51:01.680 Yeah, yeah.

00:51:01.700 And so this is where we're coming back to.

00:51:03.960 It's like this never gets discussed, is who's funding these guys and why aren't we going after the people doing the funding and cut their financial sources off?

00:51:11.840 I agree.

00:51:12.440 But, you know, when we talk about the funding of these guys, a big part of it's Iran.

00:51:16.460 And when we have that conversation, people from those that are supporting your comments are like,

00:51:21.540 oh, you just want to start a war with Iran.

00:51:23.500 So, wait, so you don't want to follow the money when the money goes to Iran or Qatar?

00:51:26.740 I agree with you.

00:51:27.760 That's where the money's coming from.

00:51:28.680 It's Iran and Qatar.

00:51:29.680 So you do or you don't want to challenge that issue.

00:51:32.300 It seems like people that are just asking the questions about this subject and wanting it to fall somehow in Israel's lap,

00:51:41.100 when it falls in the wrong lap, when it falls in Iran and Qatar's lap,

00:51:45.960 then suddenly it's like, oh, you just want us to start a war on your behalf.

00:51:50.600 You want us to fight the rest of the Middle East, drop more bombs.

00:51:53.820 I agree with you.

00:51:54.940 The funding is important to end Hamas.

00:51:58.620 And whether Sky News reports it or not, I don't think Sky News will have any kind of influence on what happens there.

00:52:06.580 Well, and that's the thing about a lot of the media stuff.

00:52:12.240 I mean, yes, they have influence.

00:52:13.640 No, they don't.

00:52:14.820 But for me, I just – because I've been asking this question for 20 years and it's like this – and, you know, the thing is after COVID,

00:52:22.220 I thought to myself, we haven't had the war on terror for a while.

00:52:24.740 What's the bet we had a war on terror?

00:52:26.100 And, you know, the next thing will happen, it's going to be a financial crash to bring Trump down, right?

00:52:30.620 Like, there's this recurring bit of racism, bit of financial crisis, now health crisis,

00:52:36.120 then we go back to the climate crisis.

00:52:37.940 But no one ever looks deeper than just the superficial fear mungering.

00:52:41.920 Well, I'm somebody that likes to think that I do look deeper than the superficial.

00:52:46.460 And I do think – I think that two things can be true at once.

00:52:49.380 I think you can actually investigate both.

00:52:51.440 You can talk about the funding of Hamas, but you can also report on the daily attacks on Jews in Melbourne,

00:52:58.120 something – or in Sydney, something that we can do something about here and now.

00:53:03.520 And whether that's looking at our immigration policy or our policing or our law – like, whatever it is.

00:53:10.300 And I'm saying some of the answers they're coming up with, I'm against it.

00:53:13.600 Anything that – any attack on free speech in the name of the Jewish community, I hate that.

00:53:20.380 I think that that's horrible.

00:53:21.260 I think that's wrong.

00:53:22.580 And I hate the fact that they're dragging my name into it as an Australian Jew.

00:53:27.280 But pretending like it's not happening because you think that somehow investigating Hamas will stop the division,

00:53:34.120 I think that's either – like, at best, it's delusional.

00:53:37.460 I didn't say it would stop, but I said we need – we should be asking deeper questions as well.

00:53:43.860 You said if Sky News really wants to stop the division.

00:53:47.080 I think your wording is –

00:53:48.800 Yeah, to be fair, Sky News, they've got to fill, you know, the airways between 5.30, 6.05 and 9.10 o'clock at night, right?

00:53:56.260 But rather than just constantly – and this is the thing.

00:53:59.840 I hear what you're saying, but you did – but you did – but just to clarify, you did say, like,

00:54:03.220 if Sky News really wants to stop the division, why don't they investigate the funding of Hamas?

00:54:09.600 That's – so –

00:54:10.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, true.

00:54:11.580 Yeah.

00:54:12.080 And that would – and that would – because by shining a spotlight on it, right,

00:54:16.760 people will start asking, yeah, where is this money coming from?

00:54:19.200 Can they do both?

00:54:23.200 Uh, I guess, yeah, yeah.

00:54:25.200 That's – I agree with you.

00:54:26.480 When you say both, you mean –

00:54:27.860 Report on what's happening –

00:54:29.020 Report on what's happening here day by day and track and run investigations on the funding of Hamas

00:54:37.400 and see if Australia's involved in it.

00:54:38.820 You know, we found out that USAID was funding billions to them.

00:54:44.480 So, that's what's just – that's just come out.

00:54:46.600 So, I agree with you.

00:54:47.400 Yeah.

00:54:47.600 But I think we should be doing all of it and instead of throwing questions that imply that

00:54:54.060 I actually think the source – the real source of the problem is the Mossad.

00:54:59.060 That's – that's my –

00:55:00.640 Oh, I – look, I'm not backing down from the fact that I think Mossad is out there in the world.

00:55:06.180 I'm not talking about Mossad's back in the world.

00:55:09.000 Look at what they did with the beepers.

00:55:10.380 Like every other intelligence agency is.

00:55:12.700 Do you at least give them credit for their beeper operation?

00:55:16.780 Which one's that?

00:55:17.660 In Lebanon.

00:55:18.520 The beeper one.

00:55:19.720 In Lebanon.

00:55:20.780 But – okay.

00:55:21.740 So, now that's really good.

00:55:24.400 I'm glad you raised that, actually.

00:55:25.880 So, these guys were good enough.

00:55:27.440 Or if you want to – that's the way you want to describe it.

00:55:29.220 I mean, it was pretty –

00:55:29.460 Sure, yep.

00:55:30.240 But for the kids that copped it, I don't know if it was.

00:55:32.740 But –

00:55:33.260 The one child.

00:55:34.540 You could identify who was the Hezbollah targets, get the beeper in their pockets

00:55:38.240 and take it.

00:55:38.620 No, they didn't have to identify them.

00:55:40.240 They took over – they basically sold them the beeper.

00:55:46.600 And it's a 10-year operation.

00:55:48.140 They sold them the beepers, I think, almost 10 years ago.

00:55:51.240 And they –

00:55:51.900 That's the thing.

00:55:52.240 They handed it out.

00:55:53.760 Okay.

00:55:54.160 So, they could, you know, pull that operation off.

00:55:57.860 But yet, somehow, they missed what Hamas was going to do on October 7th.

00:56:00.780 Sure, sure.

00:56:01.740 Look, I know –

00:56:02.440 And then, just recently, when they're handing back the prisoners' hostages,

00:56:09.420 then suddenly, Hamas rock up in these brand new – what looked like brand new sort of starched uniforms,

00:56:14.880 which looked like guns from somewhere.

00:56:18.280 Yep.

00:56:18.620 So, how is it that Hamas would somehow be able to keep their guns in Gaza?

00:56:23.940 What do you mean?

00:56:24.600 Israel's basically flattened all of Gaza.

00:56:26.980 That's –

00:56:27.580 But yet, somehow, Hamas has been able –

00:56:29.500 Stop believing the fake news.

00:56:30.760 Israel has –

00:56:31.440 Okay, righto.

00:56:32.480 Whatever.

00:56:33.380 But if Mossad's good enough to get people Hezbollah via the beepers,

00:56:37.940 why can't they get the weapons off Hamas in Gaza?

00:56:41.460 Because –

00:56:42.780 Okay, so, getting the weapons off Hamas in Gaza is –

00:56:45.600 They've got to –

00:56:46.460 The whole world was stopping them from having an actual ground invasion.

00:56:50.120 They've done a pretty good job at toppling most of Hamas' leadership.

00:56:54.740 I think you're right.

00:56:56.100 There's –

00:56:56.640 It shows that there was a focus on the northern border with Lebanon

00:57:00.680 because Hezbollah, they always feared as a much stronger,

00:57:05.940 greater threat to Israel than Hamas in the Gaza Strip.

00:57:09.020 I think it was a massive intelligence failure.

00:57:11.860 That's my personal, like, belief looking at everything we know now.

00:57:15.860 But like I said in the beginning,

00:57:17.420 I believe that there has to be an open, transparent investigation into this.

00:57:22.780 And I think that as good as it will ever get in Australia,

00:57:25.760 it will get –

00:57:26.340 It will be better in Israel than it ever would be here

00:57:29.560 just because of how angry and upset and touched

00:57:32.860 this war has affected every single Israeli.

00:57:36.840 You remember, it's such a small country.

00:57:38.600 But, Avi –

00:57:39.480 Yeah.

00:57:39.740 Okay, so here's the thing.

00:57:41.060 I actually think Mossad are very switched on.

00:57:43.640 Yeah.

00:57:43.780 So we can't just say it was an intelligence failure.

00:57:46.180 But Mossad doesn't operate –

00:57:47.240 Hold on, but Mossad doesn't operate in the Gaza Strip.

00:57:49.720 Do you know that?

00:57:51.420 So Mossad operates –

00:57:52.280 Oh, come on, Avi.

00:57:53.260 You can't tell me the dead.

00:57:53.760 Mossad operates –

00:57:54.600 No, it's a shin bet.

00:57:56.080 It's another –

00:57:56.720 It's –

00:57:57.280 I don't know what –

00:57:58.140 What do we call it?

00:57:59.260 So in Israel and the territories, you have the shin bet.

00:58:03.220 Yeah.

00:58:03.700 Is that there like the FBI?

00:58:05.340 Like the FBI.

00:58:06.580 And then Lebanon is the Mossad.

00:58:09.080 Mossad is the one that has –

00:58:09.980 The shin bet is just as good, but it operates in the territories.

00:58:15.340 Okay.

00:58:15.820 Righto.

00:58:16.200 Fair enough.

00:58:16.640 I didn't know.

00:58:17.060 Massive, massive intelligence failure there is.

00:58:21.260 So I know my nephew was serving at the time.

00:58:24.960 All his units were in the West Bank.

00:58:26.680 They were concentrating their forces in the West Bank because they were having problems in the West Bank.

00:58:30.900 They relied heavily, and this is a great point as why not to trust in smart cities.

00:58:37.860 They relied heavily on technology to protect the Gaza border.

00:58:45.860 And then when shit hit the fan, there was just not enough military power there on the ground to compel it.

00:58:53.780 It took a few days.

00:58:54.580 Now, there's a lot deeper.

00:58:56.860 There's a lot of things they missed.

00:58:58.160 It's come out that the actual plans were seen by intelligence, but they thought that they –

00:59:05.640 They say they thought that they were going to be –

00:59:07.660 They would have much more indicators closer to it actually ever happening.

00:59:11.240 They just didn't believe it.

00:59:13.220 All that will come out.

00:59:14.540 I feel super confident that that will come out just because I know enough about the situation and the population.

00:59:23.720 My point is saying that they were successful in an amazing intelligence operation like the Bieber thing does not prove –

00:59:33.540 Just because you're great at one thing in one instance doesn't mean you can't drop the ball on the other hand.

00:59:39.320 You know what I mean?

00:59:39.940 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, but no, I don't, you're right, like, so I can't say for certainty that it wasn't an intelligence failure.

00:59:48.020 But having also known the lies and everything, we know Operation Northwoods was real.

00:59:53.060 We know that, you know, so intelligence agencies have been caught, not saying it's been Mossad.

00:59:58.840 Yeah.

00:59:59.860 But these things, like, we need to get to the bottom of these things.

01:00:03.720 Sure.

01:00:03.880 And I'm not prejudging anything, but I'm not going to take the stand that it's definitely not –

01:00:09.160 But in these posts, it seems like you are.

01:00:11.040 That's all.

01:00:11.480 That's my point here.

01:00:12.520 So let me ask you, you made a point about you say to him that instead of actually researching

01:00:19.120 the history of Mossad, McPherson proceeds to read the comments on my social media as

01:00:23.020 though that makes me a bigot.

01:00:24.500 There are plenty of vile comments on Sky News sites that don't get pulled.

01:00:28.180 So he's showing his bias here, which is true.

01:00:31.280 There are.

01:00:31.880 And there are a lot of mine.

01:00:32.820 But don't you see the difference between people posting vile responses to a news story

01:00:39.720 compared to vile responses in support of the underlying point that you're making when

01:00:47.060 you're just asking questions that Israel, and by extension, the Jews are to blame.

01:00:51.640 That's what essentially is happening there.

01:00:54.600 Do you not see the difference in those comments?

01:00:56.560 Hang on.

01:00:57.200 What am I saying?

01:00:57.940 Where am I saying the Jews are to blame?

01:00:59.340 No, you're not.

01:00:59.920 You're not.

01:01:00.520 You're not.

01:01:00.860 Right.

01:01:01.080 I'm not saying you are, but the fact is that you're asking these questions that are creating

01:01:07.900 comments, and the comments are easy to see.

01:01:10.840 They're all there, and they're supporting your point.

01:01:13.980 They're just making the direct connection over and over and over again because that's,

01:01:18.660 remember, I told you, I don't know if you realize how the just asking questions thing

01:01:23.380 works on the internet.

01:01:24.740 It's where they're taking the implication from you, whether you consciously are doing it

01:01:29.640 or by accident.

01:01:31.120 They're taking it that you are blaming the Jews, and so those comments, so there's a

01:01:35.560 big difference.

01:01:36.180 That's the point here.

01:01:36.860 There's a big difference between Sky News vile comments below a story and comments all in

01:01:43.500 support of you pointing at the Jews, and I'm not saying you're pointing at the Jews.

01:01:49.540 I'm saying, I know you're not, but you are.

01:01:52.860 Well, okay.

01:01:54.160 I'm actually, so the initial post that I did last week about Thursday or whatever was directed

01:02:00.720 at the media to stir up Trump, right?

01:02:03.720 And by connecting Mossad, I was connecting Mossad to the media, right?

01:02:08.040 Now, if you go back and read my post, I have numerous cracks at the intelligence agencies,

01:02:13.360 and it's mainly the CIA, and I've had a crack at our ASIO for not getting to the bottom

01:02:19.300 of Edward Holmes, who was tied up with Fauci at the start of the pandemic and covering up

01:02:24.340 the origins of coronavirus and stuff like that.

01:02:26.420 I have criticized.

01:02:27.720 I'm yet to do, I want to do a post for, you know, if I don't get back in on MI6, how, you

01:02:34.000 know, I've got issues with the way they carry on.

01:02:37.920 Yep.

01:02:38.000 So that was the initial post, the McPherson post, where he just had a five-minute read.

01:02:43.360 But your first post is full of those comments, too.

01:02:46.820 Listen, when you talk about MI6, when you point the finger at ASIO, when you point the finger

01:02:51.960 at CIA, your comments are not full of people going, the Jews.

01:02:59.160 When you talk about specifically the Mossad, about things that you don't actually have evidence,

01:03:03.540 you just believe, and I'm accepting what you're saying, that it's coming from, you're not

01:03:08.480 coming from a malicious place where you actually believe the Jews are controlling the world

01:03:13.600 and that Israel is actually, like, the most corrupt thing that's, you're not.

01:03:20.360 But the people...

01:03:21.060 No, no, I mean, I've hardly commented on this.

01:03:22.900 But can you see the difference in people commenting?

01:03:27.960 When you talk about something like this, such a divisive topic, which you agree you recognize

01:03:35.340 is divisive because you're saying Sky News is being divisive by talking.

01:03:38.720 So when you take such a divisive topic and then you point at one side in your...

01:03:44.060 You are doing that exact thing and the people that are attracted, the people that are full

01:03:48.120 of hate are then filling your comments in support of your position because they think

01:03:54.000 you're one of them.

01:03:56.440 Yeah, yeah, and that's the way social media works, is that people will tend to gravitate

01:04:01.120 towards the views that they agree with, right?

01:04:05.580 Do you think Jews are controlling the world?

01:04:08.120 What's that, sorry?

01:04:08.620 Do you think the Jews are controlling the world?

01:04:11.660 I think, as I've said to you before, I think the intelligence agencies...

01:04:14.580 Intelligence, so do you think it's like all the intelligence agencies are the problem?

01:04:19.080 I think they're a large part of the problem.

01:04:22.020 I think the banking establishment is a part of the problem.

01:04:26.500 And then I think there's other groups, and I don't know who they are, you know, but there

01:04:30.680 are powerful groups.

01:04:32.860 Obviously, you know, and I hate to use this word because it's overused, but obviously

01:04:36.940 where you have concentrated wealth funds like BlackRock and those guys because they control

01:04:40.560 so much money.

01:04:40.980 I've confronted those guys myself.

01:04:43.420 Yeah.

01:04:44.580 You know, so now, are there Jews on the boards of those companies?

01:04:48.220 Yeah, there are, right?

01:04:49.440 I've confronted a lot of...

01:04:50.740 Do I think...

01:04:50.900 Larry Fink is a Jew.

01:04:52.320 I've confronted him.

01:04:53.380 His bodyguards are pushing me over.

01:04:55.060 Yeah.

01:04:55.520 It would be the perfect Mossad situation, though.

01:04:58.320 Well, if you have a crack at Mossad, right, it doesn't mean to say I have a crack at...

01:05:02.460 Because I know within Israel and then outside of Israel, amongst the Jews themselves, they

01:05:06.400 argue about the existence of Israel, right?

01:05:08.700 So it's...

01:05:09.020 No, there's barely argument over the existence of Israel.

01:05:13.720 That's a very small minority of Jews that don't believe in the existence of Israel, but

01:05:16.880 just like Australia, I guess it's like Australia.

01:05:19.340 There are people that have a diverse range of opinions on...

01:05:22.280 Far left to far right.

01:05:23.500 I mean, there's secular Jews that don't really...

01:05:26.400 What's that, sorry?

01:05:27.380 It's a bit like Australia.

01:05:28.640 You have a spectrum of the far left to the far right.

01:05:32.180 Yeah.

01:05:32.840 Israel is probably a bit more right-wing generally, and Jews around the world are generally a

01:05:38.140 bit more to the left.

01:05:38.980 I think October 7 has changed things for a lot of Jews because they realize that their

01:05:42.820 traditional allies have turned on them.

01:05:44.960 But when you say that there are Jews that don't believe in the existence of Israel, that's

01:05:49.440 a very tiny minority.

01:05:50.580 You're talking about maybe 5% of Jews, but they're the same people that would also not

01:05:53.840 believe in the existence of Australia.

01:05:55.660 So I don't think we need to take them too seriously.

01:05:59.420 The point is that the state of Israel exists, and like Australia, it's a modern democratic

01:06:06.820 state.

01:06:08.000 And I'm not saying we need to fund them.

01:06:10.240 I'm not saying...

01:06:10.900 I'm just saying that if you're going to criticize their policy or something specific, and you're

01:06:17.440 a senator, maybe also be mindful to the fact that because it is a divisive subject that

01:06:22.760 I recognize as divisive, be careful with the words I use in it.

01:06:26.860 If you don't mean that you blame them for all the world's problems, be careful in the

01:06:31.700 way you frame stuff because there are a lot of people today that are going to hijack your

01:06:36.780 message about the intelligence community for their own personal thing, which they don't

01:06:41.100 care about the intelligence community.

01:06:42.380 They just care about the Jews.

01:06:45.820 Yeah.

01:06:46.240 Yeah, no, no, I accept that.

01:06:47.560 And my post was a slap down the sky because they'd been running that caravan issue, and

01:06:53.300 then that was used as one of the reasons why we had to bring in the hate speech laws.

01:06:57.720 But again, I think that you need to run the caravan story.

01:07:03.480 I also think you need to pull the government up on using that caravan as the excuse to

01:07:11.740 urgently pass legislation that censors, quite frankly, people like me.

01:07:18.880 Yeah.

01:07:18.900 So, Harvey, can I throw this in here before we wrap up?

01:07:21.040 Yep.

01:07:21.640 And it's more...

01:07:22.720 In this case, it's my former colleagues, and it really arcs me up, right?

01:07:26.560 So my former colleagues were in charge under the Morrison government with the vaccines.

01:07:31.240 A number of them, you know, used to be so-called freedom fighters and all that, just shut up

01:07:36.180 right throughout COVID, said nothing.

01:07:38.160 Yep.

01:07:38.540 And now suddenly they're at the forefront of, like, you know, speaking out about anti-Semitism

01:07:43.060 and all that, right?

01:07:44.100 Now, I've gone them in the chamber.

01:07:46.080 I've said, well, where were you two years ago when Dan Andrews was locking down the state?

01:07:50.380 You said nothing.

01:07:51.720 And now suddenly you're on this bandwagon.

01:07:54.040 And the reason why they're doing it is because they think it's going to win them brownie points

01:07:57.920 to become ministers.

01:07:59.380 And that's what I hate.

01:08:00.600 It's not anti-Albanese sort of being wedged here.

01:08:04.240 And, Gerard, Senator, I agree with you.

01:08:06.180 I hate that too.

01:08:06.960 Yeah, Gerard, it's fine.

01:08:07.620 Yeah.

01:08:07.960 But I do both.

01:08:11.000 I do both.

01:08:11.700 Yeah.

01:08:12.020 And I did both.

01:08:12.980 And I'm not criticising you.

01:08:14.440 I'm on your show.

01:08:15.760 No, no.

01:08:16.460 I've enjoyed this conversation.

01:08:17.860 I've enjoyed this conversation.

01:08:19.200 I think it's important.

01:08:20.100 And I think it's important for those people that are jumping on your bandwagon, thinking

01:08:24.280 that they're reading into your post something that you're telling me you're not.

01:08:27.820 But I've only got a couple more things.

01:08:30.340 So let's try to get through it quickly.

01:08:32.360 In that post where you, to James, you try to educate him on Israeli false flags, you wrote

01:08:37.180 Mossad slash IDF have created plenty of false flags.

01:08:40.960 The Lavon Affair and the US Liberty, just to name a few, which is actually two.

01:08:45.920 I don't, that was probably an error.

01:08:47.580 Yeah, two.

01:08:48.040 But whatever.

01:08:49.020 I mean, there's probably been others that we don't know.

01:08:50.760 But whatever.

01:08:52.000 And that's not unique to Mossad.

01:08:54.320 That's, they're all doing it.

01:08:56.140 Fine.

01:08:56.840 When was the Lavon Affair, though?

01:08:59.700 In the mid-50s.

01:09:01.080 Yeah.

01:09:02.000 54, I think.

01:09:03.360 And I think you meant USS Liberty.

01:09:05.380 Yeah.

01:09:05.660 I'm assuming USS.

01:09:06.320 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:09:07.100 I did one.

01:09:07.880 Yeah, I was in a hurry.

01:09:08.840 No, no.

01:09:09.160 That's all right.

01:09:09.480 When, so that was, that was in 67, that's a six-day war.

01:09:13.420 67, 68 or something.

01:09:14.500 And 67.

01:09:15.600 And, and, and how was that a false flag, though?

01:09:17.880 That's not a false flag event.

01:09:19.040 That's, that, unless.

01:09:20.460 Well, it was all, it was all, I mean, and you can tell me if my interpretation of this

01:09:24.100 is wrong, but my understanding of it was that USS Liberty was attacked by Israeli airplanes.

01:09:28.520 It was attacked by Israel, but it was during the six-day war.

01:09:33.900 And it's, and, and, and the official position by the US government is that the attack,

01:09:39.480 was a result of, of an error and nothing more.

01:09:43.500 You're talking about in 67.

01:09:44.960 It's a, it's, it's not today.

01:09:46.340 Well, I mean, you talk to some of those guys.

01:09:48.300 I know, I, I, I know.

01:09:49.800 I've seen a bunch of those guys talk about it.

01:09:53.660 You know, people that have lived through a traumatic experience in the inside compared

01:09:58.540 to reviewing everything on the outside.

01:10:02.300 I, I, I just, I don't know why the US government would be the one protecting them.

01:10:07.560 But even if they, look, you don't actually, we don't have evidence that that is a, that

01:10:12.240 was a false flag.

01:10:13.120 Well, it's an event that took place.

01:10:14.700 It's an event that took place.

01:10:15.300 And the argument is, and, and is that, that, you know, they were going to blame it on the

01:10:19.900 Yeah, but you called it, you, you, you, you, you say that Israel has created plenty of

01:10:25.200 false flags.

01:10:25.720 You gave one example from 1954.

01:10:27.260 The 67 one is definitely, that's a very questionable one.

01:10:30.000 No one accepts that.

01:10:30.840 No one official accepts that as a false flag.

01:10:32.680 Like, but either way, you're talking about 54 is, you know, 75 years ago or whatever.

01:10:37.780 Yeah.

01:10:37.960 Like, do you have anything from the 21st century where Israel has done, um, has done something

01:10:45.620 that would support your claim about Israeli interference in Australia with, whether regards

01:10:51.820 to media infiltration or, um, corrupting a politician?

01:10:56.600 Because those are the two allegations that you made.

01:10:58.560 Is there something besides for the two, one false flag?

01:11:02.260 Well, they're not allegations.

01:11:03.640 So the second one, and I've asked, so I'm happy to be proven wrong here.

01:11:07.240 Asia just needs to come out and tell us who the politician is and who they sold us out

01:11:10.200 to.

01:11:10.220 I think they should.

01:11:10.960 I'm with you.

01:11:11.900 Yeah.

01:11:12.340 You know, so that, but that, that's a genuine question right now.

01:11:15.580 Would it be Israel?

01:11:16.460 I don't know the answer, but I would put Israel definitely in my top five potential countries

01:11:21.300 as being one of them that they would.

01:11:23.300 Sure, but you didn't, but you didn't list, you didn't list, you didn't list five.

01:11:27.080 You didn't list five.

01:11:28.100 And that's what I'm getting back to.

01:11:29.340 In the current climate, you listed one.

01:11:31.760 It fed this narrative.

01:11:33.920 It, it, it, it, you know, you threw.

01:11:35.680 But that's the first time.

01:11:36.500 I probably did four or five posts on that one.

01:11:38.680 And I've never mentioned Israel once or Mossad, right?

01:11:41.240 I just threw that in there because last week was estimates again.

01:11:44.420 Yep.

01:11:44.940 And I thought to myself, well, maybe, you know, as I was doing the post, maybe it is Israel

01:11:49.300 because you can't criticize Israel.

01:11:51.800 Right.

01:11:52.200 So, you know, and that's.

01:11:53.560 What do you mean you can't criticize Israel?

01:11:55.520 Well, my, my, my stab at Mossad being involved in the media here, and now everyone's calling

01:12:01.380 me anti-Semite.

01:12:02.300 Yeah, but, but, but I guess like through the conversation that we've just had, do you understand

01:12:06.180 why people think in, in, in the context of everything that's happened and the idea that

01:12:11.380 there is, it is a super.

01:12:13.360 But, Avi, can you understand that if you can't criticize Israel?

01:12:15.940 No, I think you should be able to criticize Israel.

01:12:17.940 I think you should.

01:12:18.300 Yeah, because this is the problem.

01:12:19.460 I think if you're going to point a finger, if you're going to point a finger at a potential

01:12:23.080 theory in the current climate, a potential theory, firstly, about infiltration into media.

01:12:30.100 Well, firstly, that one, I would, you'd want some sort of evidence instead of like a weird

01:12:37.620 story of going into a cafe, which I can show you is, is pretty.

01:12:40.520 Yeah, and that's why I use terms like, it's a question and, and I know, but that's, that's

01:12:45.140 what I was telling you is the just asking questions.

01:12:47.100 But, and, and then if you're going to say a politician has been corrupted, but you think

01:12:51.020 it could be one of five countries.

01:12:52.900 So I would say it could be Israel.

01:12:55.560 It could be this, like list the five that you think that it could be.

01:12:58.540 But when you point the finger at one and your comments then is full of people and all

01:13:03.240 the, I think I, I think I did initially pointed at China and then I backed off because I thought

01:13:08.400 it probably actually isn't China because if it was China, we, the party, the major, certainly

01:13:12.500 the coalition would have been jumping up and down about it, making a big hoo-ha.

01:13:15.920 So then I thought it's probably not China because it wouldn't suit the coalition to,

01:13:19.520 and so, so to be fair, I think I did point it at China.

01:13:22.400 Look, the problem is in a tweet, in a post, nobody gets to see your thought process on it.

01:13:29.100 And all we see, all we see is what you wrote and that's what I'm going off and what you

01:13:34.840 wrote.

01:13:35.080 But, but Avi, it's the reaction to it, right?

01:13:37.360 So that's like, if you read my post, I jab the bloody intelligence agencies all the

01:13:43.140 time.

01:13:43.460 Yeah, yeah, I know that.

01:13:44.320 Okay, this time it was Mossad.

01:13:45.980 Yep.

01:13:46.720 And everyone's like, you know, I get a five minute bloody rant from McPherson and Sky.

01:13:51.280 Oh, yeah.

01:13:51.920 And here's the thing, they caused this thing initially, right?

01:13:55.320 I mean, did they come out and give a five minute apology on why they shouldn't be stirring

01:13:58.960 up?

01:13:59.180 Because what you're saying about me, you could easily say about Sky.

01:14:02.300 Like what?

01:14:02.700 About what?

01:14:03.300 They should give an apology about stirring up what?

01:14:05.040 Well, about not Sky, sorry, News Corp and the Daily Telegraph are going in there and

01:14:10.580 trying to film a particular event.

01:14:12.860 Yeah.

01:14:13.300 Right.

01:14:13.660 So.

01:14:14.100 But we went through it, but we went through that.

01:14:16.300 And, and, and, and whilst I think it was dumb, there's still a context there where it

01:14:21.000 is sort of newsworthy.

01:14:22.220 So it's, it's, well, it wasn't newsworthy because it was a completely contrived event.

01:14:26.580 But it wasn't contrived, but it wasn't contrived in the fact that the owner wrote something.

01:14:31.920 So they, they weren't, they weren't just rocking up.

01:14:34.200 So then it was provocative to go in there knowing.

01:14:36.680 I, I, I, and I, and I think it was silly.

01:14:39.120 And I think it was silly.

01:14:39.920 We're going back in.

01:14:40.680 Like, I think it was silly, but it wasn't just like I'm pointing a finger at a random

01:14:44.720 person and making it.

01:14:45.860 It was based on something and they did it.

01:14:49.700 Listen, Einstein's letter.

01:14:52.060 What I don't understand, because in the post, you, it kind of jumps around.

01:14:54.380 You put a lot in that post.

01:14:56.640 What did Einstein's letter to the New York Times about a party before the modern state

01:15:01.220 of Israel was even declared?

01:15:04.220 What did that have to do with anything?

01:15:07.560 Because it's got to do with the fact that you can disagree with a political party and

01:15:11.020 not hate the country.

01:15:12.780 So there was no country, but there was no country there.

01:15:14.780 That was a party in the state of Palestine, which was like a man, the British mandate at

01:15:19.540 the time, I think it was.

01:15:20.720 Yeah.

01:15:21.100 And then Ergun and then turned into like freedom came out of Ergun.

01:15:25.700 Ergun, am I pronouncing that correctly?

01:15:27.560 Ergun, Ergun.

01:15:28.280 It, it, it, it, it, it, it, it turned in because obviously the people that were fighting for

01:15:32.600 independence at the time then turned into the modern state of Israel.

01:15:35.900 Um, but Einstein.

01:15:37.540 And Einstein clearly didn't have a high opinion of them.

01:15:39.700 No, but Einstein is also, he was a socialist who's, it opposes, uh, capitalism.

01:15:46.080 So should we take him seriously on that?

01:15:47.840 Then, then.

01:15:48.260 Well, I didn't know that, but he was a very good scientist.

01:15:51.300 Sure.

01:15:51.960 But there's a lot of great scientists that are idiots when it comes to politics or.

01:15:55.760 And he wasn't the only Jew that wrote that letter.

01:15:57.700 I think there were 12 or 15 co-authors.

01:15:59.980 So also you've got to remember like Jews, um, in, in, in 47 or 48, whatever, when that

01:16:06.400 was, um, to Jews now is very different.

01:16:08.840 Like people, Jews didn't have a modern estate for thousands of years.

01:16:13.600 They weren't in Israel.

01:16:14.420 So Jews had, were probably scared of it.

01:16:17.180 I don't know.

01:16:17.460 I can't get into the mind of a Jew in America in 1948, but things are very different 75 years

01:16:23.020 later.

01:16:24.080 Yeah.

01:16:24.440 Um, and I, I just won't take the word of like a socialist, anti-capitalist, uh, take

01:16:30.920 him seriously on whether the modern state of Israel should be born.

01:16:33.140 He's probably one of the greatest Jews that ever lived, Harvey.

01:16:35.660 You can't just lay him off.

01:16:36.000 He's a great scientist.

01:16:37.760 Fine.

01:16:38.260 But, so, but, but he, but are you going to take his position on, on socialism seriously?

01:16:44.100 Well, I haven't read his, I haven't read his, um, I'd have to read it.

01:16:47.260 I don't know what.

01:16:48.260 So you would consider it.

01:16:49.380 You think, you think Einstein might convince you that capitalism is not the way to go?

01:16:54.440 Uh, probably not, but I'd have to see what he, how he wrote it.

01:16:59.180 I mean, I mean, I'm a capitalist.

01:17:00.840 I don't believe in free markets.

01:17:02.320 You'll have to come to my stump speech to understand the difference who knows to.

01:17:04.840 But I know, I think corporations are socialists, are socialists, right?

01:17:08.860 They operate on limited liability.

01:17:10.200 So I, I need to read.

01:17:12.180 If you're, if you're an anti-socialist, if you're an anti-socialist, then Einstein in whatever

01:17:16.860 it was in the forties, um, whatever he said about Israel is he, if you're going to ignore

01:17:22.800 his philosophy when it comes to socialism and capitalism, then I dare say you don't need

01:17:27.960 to take him too seriously just because he was a Jew, um, in America before the modern

01:17:32.920 state of Israel was, was created.

01:17:34.900 I just feel like it, I think his letter was, I think his letter was that year or the year

01:17:43.860 before, but it doesn't matter.

01:17:45.300 Even if it came out after that, it doesn't matter.

01:17:47.900 It's irrelevant.

01:17:48.360 You're talking about a brand new state, which was a hot subject after the, it is relevant

01:17:54.360 because, so I, I remember when Yitzhak Rabin was shot, right?

01:17:58.580 Sure.

01:17:58.700 I mean, I was living in London at the time, came home from a nightclub and he'd been shot

01:18:02.500 that morning.

01:18:03.040 That was a real disappointment because him and, uh, Yasser Arafat with PLO, um, had nearly

01:18:09.740 signed a peace deal that was going to work.

01:18:11.800 Uh, Clinton and he hasn't done, he didn't do much, but you know, he, he did, he got very

01:18:16.680 close to signing that.

01:18:18.120 Um, and that was sabotaged, I think by, uh, a right wing.

01:18:21.660 Um, yeah, an extremist, right?

01:18:23.820 Um, so, but it's relevant because it's gone backwards since 1995 in my view.

01:18:30.320 Yeah.

01:18:30.460 What's gone backwards?

01:18:31.000 I mean, cause even though I'm saying an Aussie first, I do, like I spent seven years overseas

01:18:34.440 and went to 85 countries.

01:18:35.360 I do enjoy geopolitics, right?

01:18:38.520 And watching how these countries in, you know, like I love the world we live in, right?

01:18:42.680 So yes, Australia first, but also call myself a humanitarian and a human being.

01:18:46.580 So it's really, and, and I don't like the way Netanyahu seems to be very heavy handed

01:18:54.140 in all this stuff.

01:18:54.980 He's not the guy that's going to bring peace to Israel and Gaza.

01:18:59.540 Um, and we need to do that.

01:19:01.120 I mean, I mean, look, and I've said this.

01:19:02.560 Who will?

01:19:03.680 A left wing government?

01:19:04.680 Well, I don't know.

01:19:05.600 Um, but I don't think the current approach is working.

01:19:07.840 And I mean, that's obviously, and good luck to whoever can bring peace.

01:19:12.080 Um, and, and yet again, another question, like, I mean, we're going out of Australian

01:19:16.180 politics now here to the thing I got, but why can't Gaza become a part of Egypt?

01:19:20.640 Sorry?

01:19:20.800 Why can't Gaza become a part of Egypt and West Bank become a part of Jordan?

01:19:24.380 I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm with you on both those things.

01:19:26.100 So that's a solution that, like, West Bank's probably a lot more complicated because there

01:19:29.680 are certain areas of the West Bank that are probably the most important to, in Jewish,

01:19:34.480 uh, I don't know if you're a religious person, but the whole, when you talk about...

01:19:38.440 The Dome of the Rock and...

01:19:39.660 No, no, Dome of the Rock and Jerusalem, but the most important places to Jews are in,

01:19:44.100 according to Jewish, um, history is actually in the West Bank.

01:19:48.660 It's Judea and Samaria, according to Jews, but it's in those areas.

01:19:51.820 So it's a bit more common.

01:19:53.260 Gaza, I totally agree.

01:19:54.920 Why isn't it Egypt?

01:19:55.780 You know why it's not Egypt?

01:19:56.520 Because Egypt doesn't want them because they're 70% Hamas supporters and the other 30% are

01:20:00.560 between Islamic Jihad and, and other mostly terrorist organizations.

01:20:04.620 So any...

01:20:05.220 Okay, okay, Avi, but here's the thing.

01:20:07.260 I mean, if we keep them locked up in that little zone...

01:20:09.940 I don't think they should be locked up in that thing.

01:20:11.680 I don't think they should be locked up in that thing.

01:20:13.100 Yeah, yeah.

01:20:13.620 I mean, I mean, and so it's easy, you know, and I mean, I'm not condoning this or anything

01:20:19.080 like that, but we've got to sort that.

01:20:21.300 I mean, it's not, not us personally.

01:20:23.080 It's not Australia.

01:20:24.380 This problem's got to get sorted out.

01:20:26.540 Someone's got to bite the bullet and say, you know.

01:20:28.520 I agree with you.

01:20:29.500 And I hope that Trump is going to get it done, whichever way he gets it done.

01:20:33.300 I agree with you.

01:20:34.660 But none of that has anything to do with the division in Australia.

01:20:39.440 Trust me, no matter which way that goes, the division's still here.

01:20:41.820 We brought it here and we need to deal with it.

01:20:43.960 And it's not Sky News' fault that the division is here.

01:20:46.440 It's the government who brought it here.

01:20:48.920 And we need to sort...

01:20:49.800 Yes.

01:20:50.520 Look, and as I've said, you know, I agree with you on that.

01:20:54.080 But I'll still stick to my initial criticism of Sky.

01:20:59.200 And, you know, I will still say that there'll be A's in Sky.

01:21:04.400 I don't care about Sky News.

01:21:06.460 I don't work for Sky News.

01:21:07.300 I work for Rebel News.

01:21:08.880 Yeah, I know you do.

01:21:09.800 Yeah, yeah.

01:21:10.400 Listen, just before you go...

01:21:11.840 I think it might be Rowan Dean.

01:21:13.080 Maybe he works for Mossad.

01:21:14.580 Rowan.

01:21:15.040 I reckon Rowan is...

01:21:15.920 If he watches this, he'll crack it.

01:21:17.160 I reckon Rowan Dean is Mossad for sure.

01:21:19.480 Rowan Dean is Mossad for sure.

01:21:21.380 I pay...

01:21:22.340 I sign his paychecks.

01:21:24.080 Who's that, Rowan?

01:21:25.240 Rowan.

01:21:25.940 I sign his paychecks for the mate in Mossad.

01:21:28.560 Listen, you ended your post by saying the only winners out of this is the establishment.

01:21:34.380 News Corp has always been their lapdog.

01:21:36.400 COVID was the perfect example of that.

01:21:38.860 People first will continue to call out the lies, dog whistle and corruption in the major

01:21:43.440 political parties and media.

01:21:45.160 We believe in peace, prosperity, not war and terror.

01:21:49.960 Now, I just got four questions on that before I let you go.

01:21:54.080 Yeah.

01:21:54.260 And I appreciate your time.

01:21:55.940 How is reporting on attacks targeting Jews helping the establishment?

01:22:01.020 Oh, well, that was just a general comment.

01:22:08.120 So, it's not necessarily...

01:22:09.580 That's not about his...

01:22:10.860 That's not about that whole...

01:22:12.160 It's just a random...

01:22:12.560 No, no.

01:22:12.820 That's just having to dig at the establishment.

01:22:14.720 Just general.

01:22:15.500 All right.

01:22:16.700 Mate, you might need to send us instructions in how to break down your posts because...

01:22:21.700 Well, if you read my post, you'll get a recurring theme of why and it's why...

01:22:25.580 Well, I think most of the comments...

01:22:26.660 I don't think most of the comments get it.

01:22:28.600 So, yeah.

01:22:29.900 So, if you follow me and I've said this, like, I don't trust big organisations, right?

01:22:34.500 It doesn't matter whether it's big government or big corporations.

01:22:37.280 They all push their agendas and their hammers looking for nails.

01:22:42.360 And I've said that.

01:22:43.280 I mean, I know because this is the first time we've had a conversation.

01:22:46.160 If you knew where I've been coming from and you read my post the last five years, you know

01:22:49.720 that I have a very unhealthy distrust of authority.

01:22:54.420 And I know a lot of the time...

01:22:57.420 And the reason why I jumped on that Egyptian one, and notwithstanding, I didn't realise

01:23:00.720 what those guys had said initially.

01:23:02.800 That was just like, these guys, they're always looking for a story.

01:23:06.320 I get that.

01:23:06.660 And if they haven't got one, they'll make it up and blow it up.

01:23:08.440 Yep.

01:23:08.800 I get that.

01:23:10.120 I get that.

01:23:10.520 But now that you know the context, does it change it a little bit for you?

01:23:16.180 Yeah.

01:23:16.580 But, I mean, that was just a general, like, you know, it's just yet again, these guys

01:23:22.080 are, and I mean, the, and this wasn't really related to that line, but I'll tie it in anyway.

01:23:29.280 Like, what we've seen in the last 18 months, first 18 months of this term, the voice was

01:23:33.480 driving division.

01:23:34.140 Yeah, yeah.

01:23:35.260 And now we've got, the Coalition are playing on this, stoking fear and dog whistling.

01:23:42.160 Now, I don't agree with Albanese on much, and he probably hasn't had all this the best.

01:23:46.940 It was more the, he, but one stage there, the Coalition was getting stuck in Albanese.

01:23:52.080 Because he didn't know what was going on with the caravans, the bombs in the caravan.

01:23:56.620 And I'm making a real story that somehow Albanese was bumbling about that.

01:24:01.260 And as I've said, I'm not a big fan of Albanese, but it's like, well, it's a police investigation.

01:24:06.800 It would have been briefed enough to be briefed enough.

01:24:09.560 But, you know, it's, he wasn't the guy that put them there.

01:24:12.940 It's like the Chinese warships last week.

01:24:14.620 They were in international waters and the Coalition are trying to say his reaction to it's bad and

01:24:18.160 all that.

01:24:18.420 And it's like, well, you know, you guys had nine years in power and didn't bloody build

01:24:22.080 up our Navy either.

01:24:23.320 And it's just this constant.

01:24:24.000 Sure, but having...

01:24:26.580 And the Coalition, and Sky jump on the back of this.

01:24:29.500 Actually, I haven't said this today, and I should.

01:24:31.520 Sky jumping on the back.

01:24:32.980 They do use this as a form of dog whistling to push the Coalition's narrative against

01:24:39.700 Albanese, right?

01:24:40.980 Now, regardless of some of it is true, I'll accept, like it's valid, but it's sort of

01:24:46.380 like, well, you know, he didn't cause this problem, you know, it was the Coalition in

01:24:52.320 power 20 years ago that dropped the bomb, you know, it started going into the Iraq war.

01:24:56.460 I mean, mind you, our contribution wasn't significant, but it's, don't kid yourself

01:25:01.300 when the Coalition are jumping up and down about anti-Semitism and really mean it.

01:25:05.660 And they're using it to basically incite, you know, fear-mongering and rally.

01:25:12.080 And a lot of Jews now are going to vote for the Coalition, right?

01:25:15.040 They're doing it to win votes, aren't they?

01:25:16.500 But the Jews don't sway anything.

01:25:18.500 They're such a minority in the country that their votes don't mean very much.

01:25:21.960 Well, that may be true, but then you'll get the Judeo-Christian soldiers as well, right?

01:25:26.800 Now, I know when I withheld my vote from the Coalition over the vaccine injuries, I'm just

01:25:32.400 going to try and fix this camera up a little bit.

01:25:33.920 And I had people tell me, don't worry about the deaths, don't worry about the injuries,

01:25:37.600 we've got to get re-elected.

01:25:39.100 And I was filthy, and I'm still filthy on them.

01:25:41.700 And I guess that's my point too, like Sky and the Coalition, don't kid yourself that

01:25:46.640 they're friends of the Jews either.

01:25:48.320 They're jumping on this.

01:25:49.740 You want to know one thing Jews have learned historically?

01:25:53.900 What's that?

01:25:54.680 Learn to defend yourself because at the end of the day, no one's coming to defend you.

01:25:59.200 And that's why the State of Israel is so important to Jews, even here in Australia,

01:26:02.840 because at the end of the day, that's our backup plan.

01:26:06.160 If Australia turns against us and your comments, the comments on your post is a great example

01:26:13.900 of many Australians that are quite concerning to me because if they got the chance, I would

01:26:21.120 be their target number one, no matter how much I love Australia.

01:26:23.640 Let me, let me, so I've just, there was three more points on your, on your, on your closing

01:26:30.580 in that comment.

01:26:34.020 Look, I'm not, again, I'm saying again, I'm not defending the media.

01:26:38.280 It's pretty much why I exist, especially during COVID, but surely we can agree that Sky News

01:26:44.860 is the best of a bad lot.

01:26:47.520 Um, I, I, I struggle with them.

01:26:53.880 Uh, I've been, if you have to, if you have to select, there's some good, sorry, there's

01:26:58.360 some good commentators on there.

01:27:00.300 So, you know, Rowan's one of them.

01:27:02.020 Best of a bad lot.

01:27:03.340 Best of a bad lot.

01:27:04.540 Even.

01:27:04.760 I love that.

01:27:05.380 He's going to flip it.

01:27:06.820 Um, uh, you know, Corey was great, but then, you know, like I've had Peter Credlin come

01:27:12.060 out and completely lie about my position on voter ID, um, you know, Paul Murray dropped

01:27:17.880 me like a hot scott.

01:27:18.580 But, you know, but, but, you know, but, but what makes a good media organization is the

01:27:22.660 freedom for them to have a different approach to the different things.

01:27:25.920 When I'm talking about.

01:27:26.620 But here's the thing.

01:27:27.160 So I've had producers, I've had interviewers tell me before I've gone on that they've had

01:27:31.980 to change the topic because the producers wouldn't let them.

01:27:34.740 I know.

01:27:35.340 Say what they really wanted to say.

01:27:36.820 So they're heavily, heavily editorialized as well.

01:27:39.700 I've had, I've had those same issues.

01:27:43.720 What I'm, I'm not saying they're the best.

01:27:46.900 I'm saying they're the best of a bad lot.

01:27:49.840 You look at, compare that to the ABC or to Guardian or to the Sydney Morning Herald.

01:27:55.980 Um.

01:27:56.600 Yeah.

01:27:56.800 Yeah.

01:27:57.020 They're all left wing.

01:27:57.940 Look, the AFR I've always found is close to the middle.

01:28:00.680 Australian Financial Review, that's print.

01:28:03.120 Um, nine more towards the middle, um, channel seven.

01:28:08.520 And Sky is still very biased.

01:28:10.600 I mean, I'm right of centre, so I tend to agree with them.

01:28:13.120 But it gets bored.

01:28:13.440 That's what I mean by best of a bad lot.

01:28:15.980 Yeah.

01:28:16.400 I get bored listening.

01:28:18.260 But like, I mean.

01:28:18.860 You're really struggling to give them any credit, are you?

01:28:22.640 Oh, look, yeah, yeah.

01:28:23.580 I'm absolutely dirty on them because they are so biased towards coalition.

01:28:28.000 And, and, and, and don't get me wrong, the ABC.

01:28:30.500 I'm biased to the coalition.

01:28:32.020 I'm, you don't have to pretend to be, if I had to pick who I want to govern our country

01:28:36.940 coming forward, it's definitely not Albanese.

01:28:39.620 So.

01:28:40.620 No, no, no, that's true.

01:28:41.960 But you've still got to criticise the coalition.

01:28:44.880 I do.

01:28:45.400 I think that the problem with the coalition.

01:28:47.080 I'm not saying this to you personally.

01:28:48.940 And they are very reluctant to do that.

01:28:51.580 Sure.

01:28:51.780 And I actually get bored being in the echo chamber.

01:28:55.160 I mean, I wish the ABC and these guys would interview me because I'd love the tussle.

01:28:58.580 I mean, that's why I get on well with Murray Wright in terms of the chamber because he actually

01:29:01.880 goes me and we have great tussles.

01:29:05.260 Whereas listening to some of Michael, they just bore me because it's like, yeah, yeah.

01:29:10.140 And, and except this, they're saying it because they think, they don't mean it.

01:29:14.200 They, they're saying it because they think they're going to get promoted because of it.

01:29:17.220 And that's what I hate.

01:29:18.220 They're fake.

01:29:19.760 And I guarantee you that some of those, I know, and maybe because I know some of these

01:29:25.060 Sky Media guys that, and I know they've been editorialised and they've allowed themselves

01:29:30.260 to be editorialised, that it's, it's hard.

01:29:33.460 Like everyone knows the ABC's left.

01:29:35.360 So outside of politics, everyone knows the ABC's left wing.

01:29:38.380 And I mean, I went them last week because they won't interview me on the 7.30 report.

01:29:41.660 Right.

01:29:41.800 So I haven't put this up on my page yet, but the day Fatima Payman announced her own

01:29:46.820 party, she got a gig on the 7.30 report that night.

01:29:49.800 So, and I've been trying to get on the 7.30 report, I've wrote them, say, well, look,

01:29:53.060 I've got a new party too.

01:29:53.980 And I've actually got policies.

01:29:55.080 Right.

01:29:56.420 So I had a go at them last week and then they had a go at me for saying, oh, well,

01:29:59.720 we're not here to promote your party.

01:30:01.040 And I'm like, well, you know, you seem to want to promote every other teal and whatnot.

01:30:04.640 Is that why you pointed the finger at the Mossad?

01:30:09.080 You wanted, you were hoping that because Senator Payman's hate for the Jewish state, you thought,

01:30:14.280 oh, maybe that's my way in on 7.30 on ABC?

01:30:18.180 No, no, no, no.

01:30:19.380 I do have a beef.

01:30:20.720 I've got to admit, I have a beef with intelligence agencies.

01:30:23.000 And ironically enough, that's like, because when I got down there, all Malcolm does is

01:30:28.840 it criticised the WEF, right?

01:30:30.380 And so many of my followers criticised the WEF.

01:30:32.840 And like, I did a post yesterday on fixing monetary policy, withholding tax and, you know,

01:30:37.320 stuff like that and how we've got to, you know, fix up the economic side of things.

01:30:40.600 And the first comment in was like, oh, we've got to get out of the UN.

01:30:43.500 And I'm like, and I went, I replied and I said, look, we've got to sort out our own

01:30:47.160 bureaucracy first, right?

01:30:48.680 So it's interesting because a lot of my people, they blame the WEF and UN for everything.

01:30:54.620 And, you know, and look, some of it's legitimate, don't get me wrong.

01:30:58.120 But, you know, my view of the WEF is it's a think tank that just happens to hold a conference

01:31:02.380 in Switzerland in January.

01:31:03.560 And a lot of people want to go there to go skiing, right?

01:31:06.920 And sure, they have an influence like Sky News has an influence, but they're not the ones

01:31:10.760 pulling the strings.

01:31:11.700 As I said, you know, we said before, I'm big believers in intelligence agencies.

01:31:15.600 But, look, I mean, I guess my point is very few people actually say and feel what they

01:31:23.780 really think.

01:31:24.480 I mean, there's Alex Antic, Matt Canavan, you know, they're my two closest colleagues

01:31:29.660 in Parliament.

01:31:30.820 I'll back those two guys to the hilt.

01:31:34.380 Matt's a legend.

01:31:35.700 Like, he backs people even when he doesn't agree with them.

01:31:38.620 But, you know, honestly, just about the rest of them, you know, it just, they just, they

01:31:43.860 just say whatever they think they've got to say.

01:31:46.680 And it's a real disappointment.

01:31:48.820 It's a real letdown for not so much democracy because they're a democratic elected, but for

01:31:53.360 good governance, whereby people are going to fight for the values that really, and fight,

01:31:57.780 you know, are prepared to get themselves burned in order to see the right thing done.

01:32:02.940 I hear what you're saying.

01:32:06.920 Last two points that you had on, in your closing, people first will continue to call

01:32:11.600 out the lies, dog whistling and corruption in major political parties in the media.

01:32:15.540 What lies is your party calling out here?

01:32:19.000 And to be honest, can't people say that you're actually the one that's dog whistling when it

01:32:24.240 comes to these two specific posts?

01:32:27.200 No, I wasn't dog whistling at all.

01:32:30.160 I was calling out Sky News, who'd been taking a self-righteous approach.

01:32:33.280 No, no, dog whistling when you say the Mossad.

01:32:36.680 When you're saying the Mossad, I don't know if you, after this conversation, I don't think,

01:32:41.080 I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that it wasn't intentionally dog whistling, but it

01:32:45.700 certainly was dog whistling because if you look at the comments again in your one, and

01:32:50.580 I know you didn't like when Sky brought that up, but the way that the comments, it was

01:32:54.540 a dog whistle, you go, oh my God, guys, Mossad, and that dog whistle, which I've always hated

01:33:01.340 that term, but I found it funny that you use it, it brought all the haters, all the Jew

01:33:07.000 haters to your comments, and I don't know if they're really your supporters.

01:33:10.540 I imagine many aren't.

01:33:12.480 I imagine-

01:33:13.060 No, a lot of them probably, some of them wouldn't be.

01:33:15.020 White supremacists, I see that you were trending in the white supremacist group, so they're getting

01:33:19.240 behind you, at least within the comments.

01:33:20.580 So, the idea of a dog whistle, well, that was a dog whistle, so what lies are you calling

01:33:27.080 the parties on, and are you going to, going forward, think, I guess, more carefully, because

01:33:34.640 if what you're telling me is true, which I accept, then you didn't intentionally mean

01:33:40.260 for what you've done to be that dog whistle, but you have twice, on those two posts, ended

01:33:45.380 up dog whistling, are you going to be the one to stop them?

01:33:50.120 No, I wasn't dog whistling, but what I was doing there was sending a signal that if there's

01:33:56.040 intelligence agencies from other countries operating inside this country in the media,

01:34:01.000 and I'll be specific, Mossad, okay, I'm going to, if I, you know, because this is the sort

01:34:07.080 of stuff they do, they generate stuff like this.

01:34:09.040 But isn't that a dog whistle, but again, isn't that a dog whistle standing up?

01:34:12.240 No, no, that's not a dog whistle, that's calling out, calling out.

01:34:16.120 Saying, if there, if there's, if there's, if there is a Mossad infiltration into our media,

01:34:22.620 I'm going to call them out.

01:34:24.600 Telling that to an audience is saying to people, hey guys, if you, this is how the rest of the

01:34:30.620 world, that's, this is why this is the definition of a dog whistle, is when you say that, and you're

01:34:36.580 saying, you're, you're telling me, I don't have evidence of it, but it could be true.

01:34:39.700 So if you're telling the world, if I find that there's Mossad involved in the media, I'm

01:34:44.200 going to call it out.

01:34:45.360 That is a dog whistle because you're saying to the Jew haters, guys, if there's a Mossad

01:34:50.300 thing, I'm, I'm, if the Jews are controlled, this is the way they read it.

01:34:54.100 And that's the definition of a dog whistle.

01:34:55.700 I don't know what you mean by dog whistle.

01:34:57.500 Well, hang on, Arby.

01:34:58.380 So, so the day before and on numerous other posts, I've called out the CIA.

01:35:01.960 It doesn't mean to say I hate the American people.

01:35:04.260 Sure.

01:35:04.840 Right.

01:35:05.060 But we've gone through this, we've gone through this before, because when you, so when you

01:35:10.680 do it like that, so in those terms, yes, it doesn't, because it doesn't have that effect

01:35:15.200 because it, it isn't the divisive subject here.

01:35:18.080 You're taking a hot divisive subject, which has spilled onto our streets and you recognize

01:35:23.960 that and you go, Hey guys, I'm going to see if that group that you guys are super suspicious

01:35:31.460 off of the ready.

01:35:32.480 So that argument equally applies every time Sky starts going on about Muslims.

01:35:38.560 I mean, their page is full of vile Muslim hate.

01:35:42.840 Right.

01:35:43.400 And they don't, they don't remove, well, maybe they do remove the comments, but like

01:35:46.740 me, they probably can't remove them all because, you know, you'd be doing it all day, every

01:35:50.160 day.

01:35:50.500 And I mean, you can have keywords to remove.

01:35:52.380 Right.

01:35:53.080 So, but that's my point is that, okay, we've got a problem here, but them constantly, you

01:35:58.600 know, every night at Sky After Dark talking about it just inflames it as well.

01:36:03.900 So, so you, you think that Sky.

01:36:06.020 And that's why I arced up with that Egyptian cafe because they effectively, you know, had

01:36:10.720 that gone pear shaped and that lady responded, that then would have become, you know, could

01:36:17.820 have been easily blown up.

01:36:19.020 And that was right on the back of that caravan event whereby, you know, I think they're still

01:36:24.800 investigating.

01:36:25.000 Sure, we've prosecuted that a few times.

01:36:27.360 I agree with you that it was foolish, although with the context of what happened, I don't

01:36:31.900 think, the fact that you didn't know what the cafe was saying online was already an indication

01:36:38.740 that it wasn't getting any press.

01:36:41.380 So you do agree though.

01:36:43.240 So you're saying Sky is dog whistling by reporting on anti-Semitism because people are hating on

01:36:48.220 No, no.

01:36:49.320 Reporting on it's one thing, but when they go on and on and on and on and on about it, which

01:36:53.720 they have for the last 18 months and in comparison to other things.

01:36:59.580 What do you think that they can do or we as a population can do to stop what we're seeing

01:37:06.280 happening around the country?

01:37:07.560 We can't control the war in the Middle East.

01:37:09.540 What can we do in Australia where the media organizations and what can Sky News do in Australia

01:37:14.480 and what can we, you, the government do to stop what is clearly a problem?

01:37:21.060 Well, I think we've got to tone the rhetoric down.

01:37:23.200 I think it just needs, and notwithstanding that there are bad events that happen, you

01:37:29.060 know, maybe we should reserve judgment until we know the full facts so the caravan's a good

01:37:33.480 one.

01:37:33.680 You want to reserve judgment, you want to reserve judgment, but then you'll point your

01:37:36.980 finger at the Mossad without having the evidence on it.

01:37:40.060 And that's because, and that's, but the reason why I did that was because there was an event

01:37:44.300 staged, an attempted staged event, right?

01:37:48.040 So that's why I did it.

01:37:50.100 The caravan.

01:37:50.660 It wasn't as, what's that, sorry?

01:37:52.080 You're talking about the caravan?

01:37:53.980 No, the cafe.

01:37:55.600 Oh, the cafe, the cafe.

01:37:56.300 We don't know what the caravan is, but, but Sky, so my comment was directed towards the

01:38:01.080 Egyptian cafe with Mossad, the Sky one.

01:38:03.660 Sky did though go off tap about the caravan and they went off tap, them and the coalition

01:38:08.180 went off tap at Albanese about it as though, as though he would know that there would have

01:38:12.900 been these explosives and why they were there.

01:38:15.100 And what exactly was he meant to tell the public, you know, they'd been there for two

01:38:18.640 decades.

01:38:19.240 They didn't have detonated.

01:38:20.500 But the car was illegal.

01:38:21.800 I don't know that, I haven't got the full details of it, but I thought that it was an illegally

01:38:25.840 parked thing.

01:38:26.400 They had the guys already in custody for something else.

01:38:29.440 They seem to think that they're involved in something where they're being paid by a third

01:38:33.820 and actually foreign actors is what I think they were saying.

01:38:37.600 But I guess.

01:38:39.820 The Murdoch media and the coalition did milk that.

01:38:43.340 They did milk that.

01:38:44.220 Sure.

01:38:44.700 And that's where they should have just calmed the farm and wait until, you know, they knew

01:38:48.320 what the story was.

01:38:49.640 Sure.

01:38:50.200 But to clarify, you got no worries with them every day telling the stories that are

01:38:55.680 happening when it comes to anti-Semitism and, you know, the fact that that is going to

01:39:03.120 fuel division in the community, I guess, is that what gets to guide the press?

01:39:12.500 Like, you can't stop telling stories because.

01:39:17.300 No, no, no, that's right.

01:39:18.340 But, you know, as I just gave two examples there, one was with the caravan, they blew

01:39:23.000 it up.

01:39:23.520 Yep.

01:39:23.680 Like, blew the story up, that is.

01:39:25.840 Well, we don't know.

01:39:26.400 We don't know what it is.

01:39:27.240 And that was used to justify the hate speech stuff as well.

01:39:30.600 I agree.

01:39:31.320 I said that, yeah.

01:39:32.420 But we don't know the caravan.

01:39:33.460 We don't know the caravan stuff.

01:39:34.620 And then the cafe was a staged event.

01:39:35.640 The caravan stuff is pretty scary.

01:39:37.420 A caravan full of explosives is like a pretty big story.

01:39:39.880 Well, apparently they've been there two decades and apparently this stuff is used in mines

01:39:44.360 and stuff as well.

01:39:45.360 So, look, I don't know enough to know, you know, what went on.

01:39:48.960 I think it's a pretty, like, don't you want to get to the bottom of that?

01:39:52.140 Like, don't you think.

01:39:53.060 Yeah, I do want to get to the bottom of it.

01:39:54.340 And what I really want to get to the bottom of is why there was a note and what was in

01:39:57.560 this note.

01:39:57.940 Sure.

01:39:58.440 Because apparently it was the note that suddenly, you know, that there seemed to be an

01:40:02.840 implication, and I'll stand to be corrected on this, that somehow that may have had

01:40:05.860 anti-Semitic.

01:40:07.020 Well, there was a note of, so, a note, I think they're calling it a note, but apparently

01:40:12.880 it just had the locations into which they were meant to be going to.

01:40:17.820 It seems weird.

01:40:19.300 I agree with you.

01:40:20.220 But no one's going to get to the bottom of it if the media isn't honed in on it.

01:40:24.660 Like, it's just going to get.

01:40:25.800 No, no, the police can get to the bottom of it.

01:40:27.600 Like, the police.

01:40:28.200 But they're not going to bother.

01:40:28.820 I mean, I'll say they can, but, you know, until we know, you know, like, the police

01:40:34.440 can get to the bottom of it.

01:40:35.340 I know, but let me tell you a little secret.

01:40:37.080 The police avoid, the police keep avoiding certain groups of extremists because they're

01:40:46.120 scared of exactly what you're saying.

01:40:49.200 They're like, if it ends up.

01:40:50.440 So, why is it when it's white supremacists, they manage to lock them up within 24 hours,

01:40:56.020 even before they seem to commit an offence, it seems like they're locking them up and

01:41:01.440 they're finding ways to jail them.

01:41:03.160 But then when it turns out to be some Middle Eastern connection or, for months, we've got

01:41:10.660 some of the biggest crimes with the biggest law enforcement agencies onto them and they

01:41:16.300 still don't have a sign.

01:41:16.920 The synagogue in Melbourne, how do they not have somebody locked up for that yet?

01:41:22.740 Well, that's a good question.

01:41:23.960 I don't know.

01:41:25.180 I don't know.

01:41:25.860 And so what I'm saying to you is when there isn't enough media, when it's not politically

01:41:30.120 corrected, when it's going to cause from the police perspective, because all the police

01:41:36.540 care about is social cohesion, even if it means we keep the public in the dark.

01:41:43.340 Look, Harvey, there's plenty of examples of that and I agree with you there.

01:41:45.860 I don't know with the caravan, the bombs in the caravan, if that wasn't my case.

01:41:50.680 All I'm saying is that I think every single story, it just needs to be told and needs to

01:41:56.580 be told straight, no matter who the outcome is going to offend anyone.

01:42:00.860 But can I say, Harvey, the Sky News and Coalition were using that against Albanese.

01:42:05.700 And there's plenty of things to criticize Albanese about.

01:42:06.680 And ABC and the Guardian and the Sydney Morning Herald, it balances their nonsense out that

01:42:11.500 is propping up Albanese.

01:42:12.540 Well, that's fair enough.

01:42:14.200 And it would be, but, you know, we need to call it as we see it as well.

01:42:18.520 And then...

01:42:18.820 Do you know why?

01:42:19.600 Sky News is a private company.

01:42:24.340 Like, News Corp is a private company.

01:42:26.220 If they piss off their viewers, they're going to lose their viewers.

01:42:28.980 I don't care.

01:42:29.480 I have more of a problem with the ABC who aren't paying.

01:42:32.880 Yeah, who aren't balanced.

01:42:34.200 Who are not balanced at all.

01:42:35.100 Okay, final, your final message is we believe in peace and prosperity, not war and terror.

01:42:42.120 I like that, you know, that sounds great.

01:42:46.560 In fact, if you look at Trump's peace through strength, I actually wholly agree with that.

01:42:54.080 But how do you achieve peace, one, if you're not going to do it through strength?

01:42:58.520 And if you don't believe at all in our intelligence agencies, I don't know how you're going to achieve peace.

01:43:05.080 So how do you guys, how will you guys achieve peace if you don't believe in the intelligence agencies at all?

01:43:10.180 And you're willing to, I guess, ignore or play down some of the things that are happening day by day here in Australia at the moment.

01:43:20.460 How would you achieve that?

01:43:22.220 Well, intelligence agency, I didn't say I didn't believe in intelligence agency.

01:43:25.380 I believe that they're not acting in our best interest.

01:43:27.420 They have been for the last two decades.

01:43:29.040 I war in Iraq, Afghanistan, I war, they'd stay in there, the funding of al-Qaeda in Syria, to name a few.

01:43:35.740 I mean, these have more to do with the US than Australia, but we seem to support it.

01:43:39.420 The overthrow of a democratically elected government in Ukraine, right?

01:43:42.160 I mean, these are all deep state intelligence-backed operations.

01:43:44.900 I mean, Gabby Colesad.

01:43:46.020 So how would you achieve peace?

01:43:47.320 Cleaning out.

01:43:48.180 How would you achieve peace for Australia?

01:43:53.340 Well, first and foremost, we need to have a prosperous country, right?

01:43:56.060 Because without a prosperous country, we can't afford to have a decent defence system.

01:44:00.260 But as I said in my maiden speech, it needs to be led by sound diplomacy and strength and position.

01:44:06.180 And that's always, and especially with a country like Australia, an isolated country in the South Pacific, we need to use sound diplomacy.

01:44:12.760 And that means that sometimes we now have to say to some of these other wars, like, you know, Albanese today has come out and said we're going to put peace through keeping troops in Ukraine.

01:44:21.780 I'm like, no, we've got enough problems here.

01:44:23.720 We just had the Chinese Navy sail around our country, technically in international waters.

01:44:28.420 But, you know, we need to sort out our own country first.

01:44:32.620 And I think this is the point, you know, that I was probably having a go at Scott and all that.

01:44:38.140 Like, a lot of Australians just, can we just deal with our own issues?

01:44:41.680 We've got very serious issues.

01:44:43.880 And, you know, whether it was climate change, COVID, the voice, or the latest, you know, Palestine, Israel issue.

01:44:51.160 You know, let's focus on the stuff here.

01:44:53.260 We're sick of the fear mongering.

01:44:54.280 And all of the stuff that it's easy to be, there's a lot of rhetoric used and a lot of hyperbole and all of that stuff.

01:45:02.440 Can we just get proper solutions and implement solutions?

01:45:06.440 And that's what people are looking for.

01:45:09.220 So what solutions would it come to achieve peace here?

01:45:14.000 So, you know, will we have allies?

01:45:16.400 Like, I get what you're saying, but of course the world.

01:45:19.220 Well, I mean, you're talking civil peace is in within the country as opposed to sort of.

01:45:24.580 Bo, you say we believe in peace and prosperity, not war and terror.

01:45:29.580 So I guess what do you mean by the, do you mean civil peace here and international?

01:45:34.640 Yeah, civil peace.

01:45:35.380 So basically we're all Australian number one.

01:45:38.920 Leave your, you know, baggage behind.

01:45:41.920 I mean, you know, as I said, I follow this stuff with an interest.

01:45:45.140 I try not to talk about it.

01:45:46.300 I've been dragged into this recently.

01:45:48.740 I pretty much stayed away from it until the last week or so.

01:45:51.460 So it was really the bombs in the caravan where I first started posting about it.

01:45:58.380 Leave it all behind.

01:45:59.480 Yeah.

01:45:59.660 And treat people, you know, as one of my, you know, social media headlines used to be, you

01:46:06.280 know, judge the individual, not the identity.

01:46:08.380 And that's what we've got to do.

01:46:09.780 I mean, we are all part of the human race, one race.

01:46:12.280 Sure.

01:46:12.700 So how would you guys, when you believe in it, how will you, how will you achieve it when

01:46:17.500 we've got people here that don't love Australia, that hate everything we stand for?

01:46:22.100 Well, look, I mean, there is a certain, okay.

01:46:25.180 So, you know, let's hone in on the Muslim community here, which I'm not saying, I'm saying that

01:46:29.400 there's certainly an element there.

01:46:31.320 There's also an element in the far right.

01:46:33.880 There's also an element in the far left.

01:46:36.600 And they're here now.

01:46:38.240 And, you know, look, you know, what's happened's happened.

01:46:40.740 I think it was a big mistake.

01:46:41.740 But anyway, we've now had way too much immigration.

01:46:43.940 We need to slow the immigration rate right back to zero.

01:46:47.840 And these people need to assimilate.

01:46:49.640 Now, you know, will the first generation of arrivals assimilate perfectly?

01:46:55.660 No, they won't.

01:46:56.360 And I mean, that's not anything new.

01:46:57.900 I mean, you know, there's always been...

01:46:59.280 Many of the extremists are actually the kids and grandkids of immigrants.

01:47:03.400 Well, now that's the real problem, right?

01:47:05.400 So that is the real problem.

01:47:06.760 And that is because, you know, for a number of reasons, you know, we've had the war on terror,

01:47:11.020 whatever.

01:47:11.780 It's been too high.

01:47:12.680 The immigration has been too high.

01:47:14.480 And then when it's too high, they can, you know, if it's becoming at a much slower rate,

01:47:18.540 it's harder to find a community of like-minded people because there's not many of you, right?

01:47:22.760 And if you're going slower, then children of the first generation of the immigrants will,

01:47:28.600 you know, as they go to school and that, like if it's a slower rate as well,

01:47:32.680 it's less likely to set up your own schools, you know, Islamic schools or whatever.

01:47:37.480 So therefore, you send your kids to a public school, they'll end up, you know, meeting Aussies,

01:47:45.940 mucking around with Aussies.

01:47:47.000 And, you know, look, I know plenty of Muslims who are okkarised now.

01:47:53.940 You know what I mean?

01:47:54.520 Like you wouldn't even know they're Muslims.

01:47:56.160 They're not that Muslim.

01:47:56.780 I mean, you know, it's, you ought to judge on it.

01:47:59.260 But there is obviously a problem in the extreme part of that community.

01:48:02.880 And so, you know, that's what we want.

01:48:05.860 We want people when they come here to assimilate.

01:48:08.300 And at the same time, I mean, you know, it's when Sky News and the ABC or whatever

01:48:14.220 are constantly talking about Israel and Palestine instead of Australians

01:48:18.560 and just referring to people as Australians and, you know, we don't,

01:48:23.620 and say it openly, look, we don't want to hear your problems.

01:48:26.760 Because, you know, then it's sort of like, you know, we've got to focus on the future

01:48:32.400 of Australia and that's what we're worried about.

01:48:35.640 All right.

01:48:36.480 I mean, I can give you, at the prosperity part, I can talk for about three hours on.

01:48:40.180 Yeah, look, I'm more interested in hearing the peace and not more.

01:48:42.660 I'm pretty sure that might, yeah.

01:48:44.160 Because at the end of the day, I feel like something dramatic has to change to protect Australia.

01:48:50.760 Like I said early on in this conversation, I think the targeting of Jews is just the first step

01:48:58.600 and history tells us that.

01:49:00.340 And I think that we do have a major problem in Australia.

01:49:02.660 I think immigration needs to stop.

01:49:05.020 I think we need to fix what we have now.

01:49:07.900 We need to go in and, you know, that school that's rallying outside, screaming jihadi slogans.

01:49:15.120 Yeah.

01:49:15.320 And we don't want Australia turning into the UK.

01:49:17.780 Like, and that's why we've got a lot of immigration.

01:49:19.320 Exactly.

01:49:19.380 So I think ignoring the problem, pretending the problem doesn't exist or silencing anybody

01:49:27.000 that talks about it is not going to help.

01:49:29.020 I think that we actually need to talk more about this.

01:49:32.260 But I want to thank you for your time, for the open discussion.

01:49:35.580 I think we went a bit, we went, you know, head to head a little bit there, but that's

01:49:39.880 what a healthy democracy is about.

01:49:41.580 Do you think you're going to win in the election?

01:49:44.240 I'm up against it, but I'll give it a, you know, I'll try my hardest.

01:49:47.200 And, you know, I'm here till June 30th and I'll fight until that day.

01:49:51.300 And if I get back in, well, I'll fight another six years.

01:49:53.440 And if I don't, I don't.

01:49:54.340 But, you know, I want to make sure that, you know, I fight hard and, you know, and not do

01:49:59.880 what a lot of my colleagues do is sit there and, you know, keep their mouths shut because

01:50:06.120 they're afraid of getting in trouble by their colleagues or they won't get promoted.

01:50:09.740 There's too much of that.

01:50:10.620 We've got to call it out and I'll call it out before I leave if I don't, you know,

01:50:13.580 get back in because it's killing progress in this country.

01:50:17.480 We are allowing ourselves, politicians who should be leaders are allowing themselves to

01:50:21.960 be controlled by vested interests and loud voices.

01:50:24.420 And that's not good for the country.

01:50:26.180 Like my t-shirt says, defund them.

01:50:29.580 Maybe your t-shirt soon.

01:50:31.140 Thanks, mate.

01:50:32.600 Okay.

01:50:32.960 Thanks, Harvey.

01:50:33.480 Have a great day.

01:50:34.080 Have a great day.

01:50:34.140 Have a great day.

Rebel News Podcast - March 05, 2025

AVI YEMINI ｜ Senator Rennick FACES OFF with Avi Yemini over bizarre Mossad claims

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