Rebel News Podcast - AVI YEMINI ｜ The Yemini Report — Ep 23

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00:00:46.340 Welcome back to the Yamini Report, and I guess it's been a wild journey over the last couple of months,

00:00:53.300 but I think more recently in the fallout to the election, and the fallout keeps dropping lower and lower.

00:01:01.400 Just finding out who's going to be leading the Liberal Party, and who better to unpack it all with us this week.

00:01:09.820 Our good friend, Alexandra, welcome to the show.

00:01:13.900 Thank you very much for having me.

00:01:15.840 So, where do we start?

00:01:21.580 What has happened from your perspective?

00:01:24.760 Well, basically, the Liberal Party, and indeed the Coalition, have decided they do not want to survive,

00:01:32.400 that conservative politics is not for them,

00:01:34.520 and they have sided with the left-wing, wet, moderate, sort of, dampish factions

00:01:42.060 who are going to keep chasing Labor further and further to the socialist left,

00:01:47.140 and conservatives are now wandering around looking for somewhere else to go,

00:01:50.960 and they are deciding which minor party is going to be the Farage Reform Movement of Australia.

00:01:56.760 Well, there's a lot that you've just said there, and I agree with pretty much all of it.

00:02:03.020 And one of the things I've noticed just watching the mainstream media,

00:02:05.340 and we've been talking about it on this show on the Opposition podcast,

00:02:08.680 that there was immediately this push from the mainstream media, especially ABC,

00:02:15.740 basically advising the Liberal Party, the irony that anyone would,

00:02:22.640 the idea that anyone in the Liberal Party would be listening to the ABC,

00:02:25.540 but I knew they would, the idea that, the reason why the Liberal Party lost so badly

00:02:32.820 is because they're too Trumpish, they're too far right,

00:02:36.340 they've gone to, and they need to come back to what they call the centre,

00:02:41.880 which is obvious nonsense.

00:02:44.640 I personally believe that they really lost because they stand for nothing,

00:02:48.680 and their base are, you know, the true conservatives have found new homes,

00:02:53.480 and are finding new homes.

00:02:57.280 But, you know, people just think, if I'm going to buy a product,

00:03:01.260 why would I buy half the product?

00:03:03.580 I might as well get the full thing, the real deal.

00:03:05.520 So if I'm going to vote Labor, if you're going to be Labor-like,

00:03:08.660 I might as well go Labor all the way.

00:03:10.280 And that's what I've seen happening.

00:03:11.800 However, ABC has led this march, and it seems like the Liberal Party,

00:03:18.480 as predicted, is following their lead into the election.

00:03:23.600 They followed Labor's lead.

00:03:24.820 Now they're following ABC's lead into complete self-destruction.

00:03:29.860 Now, what do you know about the current leader that they've brought up

00:03:36.580 and who she was running against, Angus Taylor?

00:03:41.020 What was the difference between them, politically,

00:03:43.660 when it comes to what they believe in?

00:03:46.640 Well, first of all, Matt Canavan had a very good piece of advice,

00:03:50.560 and that is don't listen to people who want you to lose,

00:03:53.480 or something to that effect.

00:03:54.740 And for the last 20 or so years, the Liberal Party and the coalition

00:03:59.440 have been listening to the voices on the left and the Labor Party

00:04:03.440 and the ABC and the Guardian and all those sort of academics

00:04:07.000 who want them to be destroyed and extinct as an ideology

00:04:10.920 because they like the idea of public money flowing

00:04:14.740 into their little socialist utopian dream for as long as possible.

00:04:19.100 And so that is the first problem, is that they're listening

00:04:21.860 to the wrong advice.

00:04:22.760 As far as Trumpian politics, I'm sorry, but Peter Dutton couldn't be further

00:04:27.660 from Trump if he was Joe Biden.

00:04:29.700 There is nothing Trumpian about Dutton or the campaign in general.

00:04:34.540 If there had been, they would have won in a landslide because let's remember,

00:04:38.720 Donald Trump is the person.

00:04:40.720 Wait, wait, wait.

00:04:41.460 Donald Trump is there.

00:04:42.660 You have a video of Jacinta Price wearing Make Australia Great Again.

00:04:46.700 It's Trump.

00:04:48.020 That was their evidence.

00:04:49.280 Yeah, but Donald Trump is the person in conservative politics who won everything,

00:04:53.960 the House, the popular vote, the presidency.

00:04:56.940 He won so convincingly that there's not even a Democrat movement anymore.

00:05:00.460 They're talking about going dark, woke to restore themselves because they're completely

00:05:04.180 obliterated.

00:05:05.240 Farage went Trump in and he's just cleaned up both the Labor Party and the Tories.

00:05:09.420 There's nothing left of them over there.

00:05:10.900 But as far as what we're talking about today in domestic politics and what's happened in

00:05:15.080 the leadership battle, there's a lot of talk in the headlines about, oh, the first woman

00:05:19.900 who's been elected leader of the Conservatives.

00:05:22.640 I'm sorry, but what's Jacinta Price? 0.99

00:05:24.580 They could have picked her if they wanted a woman. 1.00

00:05:26.440 They only like playing this gender quota card because it's going to fit with their new 0.99

00:05:30.300 moderate modern party.

00:05:32.440 And that's what all the talk is about Susan Leigh. 1.00

00:05:34.280 I've heard her and Holly Hughes and others who are supporters of this movement saying

00:05:39.120 we've got to get in touch with modern Australia and what modern audiences want and how great

00:05:45.080 it is that she's a woman.

00:05:46.440 And what do they go and do?

00:05:47.580 They selected Ted O'Brien as a deputy who has no social media presence at all in an era

00:05:52.360 where social media is where the conversation of modern politics is happening.

00:05:56.220 They have learned nothing, Arby.

00:05:58.180 What they've done is made themselves feel better because their faction has won a leadership

00:06:02.560 battle while their faction lost a federal election.

00:06:08.140 Yes, it does feel like they've learned nothing.

00:06:10.520 But is it?

00:06:11.500 So I've heard people arguing, well, it doesn't.

00:06:14.480 Nobody really wants the role now because this is the losing period.

00:06:18.800 By the time you get to an election, she ain't going to be the leader. 0.99

00:06:22.480 Is that true?

00:06:24.540 I'm sure they think it's true.

00:06:26.860 And this sort of politics where we hang on to our ideas and to the last possible moment

00:06:31.820 to keep the touch powder ready for the next election, that might have worked when you

00:06:36.480 had the luxury of a lot of seats at your disposal and a pretty general, passive and calm

00:06:45.380 ideological framework going on.

00:06:47.420 But right now, they are facing extinction-level politics.

00:06:51.720 I can't see a way out.

00:06:52.580 No, but if they don't convince their followers and the conservative movement in general that

00:06:57.240 they can survive, Labour is going to push this narrative so far beyond view and promise

00:07:02.620 so many things that entire generations are going to be more entrenched in socialist politics

00:07:07.640 than they are now.

00:07:08.460 And there will not be an argument to win ideologically because economically, Australian voters will be

00:07:15.340 trapped.

00:07:16.060 And this is a big problem.

00:07:17.180 So right now, the Liberals and the coalition in general have to forget about what's going

00:07:22.200 to win them an election that they think in some three years' time.

00:07:25.660 They have to put the best and strongest ideas forward to start rebuilding their party movement.

00:07:31.440 And what they've done today is prove that they have no interest in conservatism as an idea,

00:07:38.000 as a culture, as the future direction of Australia.

00:07:40.940 They are more worried about their own election chances than they are about saving the Australian

00:07:46.160 people.

00:07:47.080 And I'm sure that's why people like Matt Canavan threw their hat into the ring because they

00:07:51.740 wanted to say, look, we'll try and save you.

00:07:54.760 But the Liberals and the coalition, the Nats, they weren't listening.

00:07:58.460 You're not giving Susan Lay a chance at all.

00:08:00.680 Do you think that this is the death of the Liberal Party?

00:08:06.660 Susan Lay had her chance.

00:08:08.120 It's not a matter of giving her a chance now.

00:08:10.020 I mean, was she not deputy for all this time?

00:08:12.880 Did she not run into the past election as the deputy behind Peter Dutton?

00:08:17.620 What has she done or said that would earn her the opportunity to convince conservative voters?

00:08:23.740 All I've seen so far from her in comments is that she is going to continue to drag the 0.99

00:08:29.820 party towards things like gender quotas and more work politics.

00:08:35.140 I doubt she's going to stand up and take the fight against net zero.

00:08:38.500 Is she really going to challenge the narrative that we've all been ripped off for decades

00:08:43.180 and a massive wealth transfer?

00:08:44.940 I don't think so.

00:08:46.020 I don't think she's going to sit there and say, we need to get some nuclear power plants 0.93

00:08:49.580 built.

00:08:49.800 We need to get some coal fire power plants built.

00:08:52.040 Or we're going to be the poor cousin in Asia. 0.65

00:08:55.120 She's not going to do that. 0.73

00:08:56.340 I've not seen anything from her.

00:08:58.020 So if she wants a chance, then she had her chance to come out and say something strong

00:09:02.580 today, she didn't, she could have said it at the end of the week last week when this

00:09:06.840 was all going to happen.

00:09:07.840 She didn't.

00:09:08.720 She has not made any indication that we should give her the benefit of the doubt.

00:09:13.140 So why should we, Arby?

00:09:15.120 And so I guess what's your prediction now?

00:09:17.740 So the Liberal Party's gone.

00:09:19.640 It's not going to be rebuilding.

00:09:21.360 Nobody's re-signing up to it.

00:09:22.900 If anything, they're going to lose more support as they stand for less.

00:09:26.500 What do you see the future?

00:09:28.420 Because we don't, I don't see a Nigel Farage here.

00:09:31.120 I don't see a Donald Trump here.

00:09:32.900 There's no one coming to save us.

00:09:36.160 What's the future of politics in Australia?

00:09:39.560 Well, it's rather depressing.

00:09:41.040 And one of the reasons we don't have a Farage and we don't have a Trump is because Australians

00:09:47.240 have this weird behaviour in our political system where it's very difficult for a charismatic,

00:09:53.700 strong voice to come up through a party because the party structure itself doesn't want somebody

00:09:59.560 strong enough to reform the party because then the factions behind the party lose control.

00:10:04.120 So everything in our major parties is designed to make sure the leaders are puppets and not

00:10:09.620 people.

00:10:10.660 And that is a problem that we cannot fix as voters.

00:10:13.640 We have, it doesn't matter how many people join the party, the structure of the party will

00:10:16.940 never allow a strong person to come through that could threaten the faces behind the scenes.

00:10:21.520 And so basically we are on a path to destruction in which the whole thing is either going to be

00:10:27.540 torn apart and rebuilt out of sheer necessity because there's nobody left, or maybe one of

00:10:33.220 our major parties on the right will get their act together and start getting significant numbers,

00:10:37.680 not to become a major party, but to form a proper alliance with somebody like the Nationals.

00:10:42.520 So I could see a One Nation Nationals partnership which forces the Liberals to start listening to

00:10:49.920 reason if they ever want to see power again.

00:10:53.660 And that would probably be the most likely situation.

00:10:56.620 Maybe there's a deal where a One Nation member is assured some place in Cabinet in response for,

00:11:03.160 I don't know, rescuing the conservative cause for the Liberals.

00:11:06.560 That's a possibility.

00:11:08.180 As far as being left to their own devices, I mean, the biggest problem is this.

00:11:12.080 We all want to save for the conservative movement.

00:11:13.960 We do.

00:11:14.820 Their members do as well.

00:11:16.140 But they don't believe they need to be saved.

00:11:19.040 The people in charge of this party think that they are saving the party from the far right

00:11:23.760 or whatever.

00:11:25.240 And so you cannot force a rescue of a party that doesn't want to be rescued.

00:11:30.980 We can't force that.

00:11:32.240 They will have to learn this the hard way, just as all those socialist kids who voted for Labor

00:11:36.100 to cancel all their debts will learn that at the end of the day, they are the ones who are

00:11:40.400 going to pay for this.

00:11:41.240 Yeah, that's a good point.

00:11:45.100 But that was an argument that I was hearing from a lot of young kids that they're glad

00:11:50.960 that they're going to be, their debts are going to be wiped.

00:11:53.440 And it's like, you're missing, you're lacking some basic understanding.

00:12:00.760 Riddle me this.

00:12:01.340 What's the difference between Albanese saying, I'm going to pay for your student debts.

00:12:05.540 And if Dutton had proposed to pay for people's mortgages, what's the difference?

00:12:09.660 Well, yes, I dare say, actually, I think the only point of difference that I would see

00:12:15.720 in that is that those that think that they're getting away with their debts now, their uni

00:12:20.200 debts, they're going to be around to pay for the debt in their taxes later on.

00:12:25.300 Whereas those that the mortgages are paid for by taxpayer, they may not be around to really

00:12:32.120 have to cover those costs later down the track.

00:12:34.560 But it's neither here nor there.

00:12:35.820 I have a whole bookshelf, Avi, of what's going to happen to this country under socialism if

00:12:40.620 Albanese gets us there.

00:12:42.060 A whole bookshelf.

00:12:42.860 I feel like we're getting there.

00:12:44.420 I just can't see a way out.

00:12:45.780 And I feel like everything is so predictable at the moment.

00:12:49.680 As soon as I saw the narrative in the mainstream media, it was clear that the Liberals were going

00:12:54.320 to go further to the left, were being gaslit to believe that the Conservative was too right

00:13:04.280 wing into this election and that's why they lost.

00:13:06.260 It's just laughable.

00:13:08.380 The Conservatives haven't seen the centre of politics for about 30 years.

00:13:12.240 They wouldn't even know what the right wing looks like.

00:13:14.880 This is the Conservative Party that argues against freedom of speech.

00:13:18.200 Yeah, absolutely.

00:13:20.140 Well, Susan Lay was one of the ones that pushed for the e-safety commissioner over Elon Musk

00:13:27.620 with regards to that stabbing video of the bishop in Sydney.

00:13:31.360 Like, you're talking about somebody that is insanely in support of censorship, even when

00:13:36.140 it makes zero sense.

00:13:37.760 Even when the victim of the attack himself is coming out and saying, no, I want the world

00:13:43.980 to see what happened.

00:13:45.380 But now, more broadly on the election, I think there is clearly one winner.

00:13:53.100 It was the Labour Party because they've wiped the Liberal Party and not only wiped the Liberal

00:13:58.440 Party, they turned what was left into more of the Labour Party.

00:14:02.700 There is no opposition now in Australia.

00:14:05.060 Then on top of that, they did wipe, at least in the lower house, they wiped the Greens and

00:14:09.320 you're seeing, even just now, what's left of the Greens.

00:14:14.700 Another senator is quitting the Greens party.

00:14:17.560 That's just broken.

00:14:18.620 Another Greens senator is quitting over allegations of bullying.

00:14:23.200 I just find it so funny because how many people have now left?

00:14:26.160 How many senators you had?

00:14:27.300 Lydia Thorpe.

00:14:28.000 There's a bunch of them that all left citing bullying in the party of tolerance.

00:14:32.740 But looking at the landscape, you've got no Greens, you've got no Liberal Party.

00:14:40.480 It is really the future in Australia is red.

00:14:44.200 Well, the problem is, Avi, we have maybe three generations of kids who have spent, from the

00:14:55.220 time they're about four or five until they get to about 23, 24, at least, inside an education

00:15:01.540 system that tells them that socialism is great, that it's an entitlement and they're

00:15:06.500 doing a good thing by taking handouts from the state because by doing that, they are punishing

00:15:10.900 evil mining giants like Gina Reinhardt.

00:15:14.220 They think that taking money, they're taking it from her and not from their fellow peers

00:15:18.540 and Australians.

00:15:19.880 And you are trying to talk to this generation, whose reasoning for voting things like Green,

00:15:24.600 by the way, when they interviewed them, is trees and stuff.

00:15:27.980 That's about as far as this narrative goes.

00:15:30.080 So you're trying to have intellectual discussions about the security and future economic and cultural

00:15:35.920 idea that is Australia with people who have never been challenged beyond a headline on

00:15:41.820 their beliefs.

00:15:43.120 And Labor is perfectly happy with that because they were never going to share power with the

00:15:47.000 Greens.

00:15:47.400 They were never going to share power with the Teals, especially when Adam Bant ran his hold

00:15:51.980 Labor to account campaign line, which I'm sure Albanese was not a fan of.

00:15:57.080 So they have now moved to consolidate all the breakaway groups.

00:16:02.040 So the breakaway conservatives have voted for the Teals and now being folded into the

00:16:07.120 Labor Party, even though they'd never traditionally do that in one step.

00:16:10.220 And the Greens are now being pulled back into the Labor Party, giving them a majority, as you

00:16:14.300 say.

00:16:15.080 But the reason they have a majority is either they've been raised that way through an education

00:16:19.540 system, which the Liberal Party completely ignored.

00:16:22.240 And that is their own fault when they had the power to do so.

00:16:24.880 So they did nothing and also poverty.

00:16:27.760 When people are poor, they start losing touch with their values and their principles and

00:16:33.400 they start taking the handouts.

00:16:35.540 If someone's saying to you, hey, I'm kind of evil, but here's $400 for your rent.

00:16:41.340 Well, they're probably going to vote for that if they get poor enough to do so.

00:16:44.480 And that's the trap of socialist politics as people become dependent on the state and they

00:16:48.860 cannot break free because they've lost their personal finances and their ability to act as

00:16:54.560 independent citizens.

00:16:55.460 And that is a Labor dream to have an entire country that is tied to the Labor Party vote

00:17:01.240 as almost as if they've become unionized by their poverty.

00:17:05.080 And it's a tragedy.

00:17:06.420 And we are so close to that line.

00:17:08.180 And electing Susan Lay is basically surrendering.

00:17:12.800 I do like your idea of, and I didn't think about it, I've never thought of it, is basically

00:17:19.740 breaking up the coalition and One Nation and the Nationals forming their own kind of, it

00:17:30.180 would be an alliance, almost something along the lines of what the Greens was to the Labor

00:17:37.620 Party where they were forcing the agenda to go more left.

00:17:41.840 I feel like that's what we at least need in our system.

00:17:45.800 We need, you know, I was hoping in this election it would be One Nation for, I was hoping delusionally,

00:17:51.240 but I did recognize that I didn't think that they were going to win.

00:17:53.860 But I was hoping for a minority liberal government where One Nation holds enough for a balance

00:18:00.520 of power to pull Dutton to the right on many issues where he's probably more comfortable

00:18:07.860 just he just wouldn't have been, he would have been too gutless to stand there like they

00:18:12.400 always are when they get into that position.

00:18:15.220 But I guess a coalition between One Nation and the Nationals, if they really do, you know,

00:18:22.580 they agree on a lot more than they disagree and then pushing the Liberal Party into actually

00:18:28.240 back into a conservative space.

00:18:30.360 Do you see that being a possibility that that's where it's really going to go?

00:18:33.660 There's so much animosity right now between the Liberals and the Nationals that it does

00:18:38.700 kind of make sense, that idea that you presented.

00:18:42.060 Oh, well, just to be clear, I was proposing a three-way and not splitting the coalition, but

00:18:46.540 for the Nationals to invite One Nation.

00:18:49.020 To invite One Nation onto it.

00:18:50.880 Okay, yeah.

00:18:51.480 So that even if it wasn't particularly massively official, but there would be an agreement

00:18:57.600 there that One Nation would help to secure the regions, because let's not forget, of

00:19:02.500 all the parties in this election that did well on the right, One Nation is still holding

00:19:06.100 the bulk of the Brankway vote.

00:19:07.900 And I do think that if parties like Gerard Rennig were to break away and die off, which

00:19:11.420 they probably will, One Nation is going to absorb that.

00:19:14.280 And those are pretty big numbers.

00:19:15.600 Those are numbers.

00:19:16.900 But if there's like every election, there's a Gerard Rennig.

00:19:19.560 Like, let's say the Liberals got serious, right?

00:19:23.300 If the Liberals and Nationals get serious about it, then voters who are on the conservative

00:19:27.600 right are going to be less inclined to follow single person parties and more inclined to

00:19:32.820 say, well, look, this one is attached to the Nationals.

00:19:35.780 There's a real chance that they can make a difference.

00:19:37.840 That will only boost figures.

00:19:39.180 And I also think it will help the Liberals to bring back some of those people, even

00:19:43.840 in city seats, who think, oh, well, at least they've got them inside their party.

00:19:47.420 There might be a chance.

00:19:48.440 It would be a good way to start, stop that leak of votes out to the side, but also give

00:19:52.940 the Liberals a bit of a heart and soul, which they are sorely lacking at the moment in this

00:19:58.140 wet landscape.

00:19:59.380 And besides, One Nation could say the things that Liberals won't say, and they can still

00:20:02.640 benefit from them.

00:20:03.320 So it's a mutually beneficial arrangement for the Conservatives.

00:20:06.260 So, yes, I'd say that is the most likely way they could start crawling back into power,

00:20:11.420 obviously first from the regions.

00:20:13.200 And as the anger towards things like renewable energy grows, and believe me, it is going to

00:20:18.540 grow as some of these projects start to fall apart and reach the end of their life cycle,

00:20:22.440 that anger will swell in the regions first, and there will be a movement back against all

00:20:26.980 of this wonderful moderate green stuff.

00:20:29.500 And that will hurt Labor, and it will hurt the Greens, and there will be votes there to

00:20:33.300 be won over.

00:20:34.420 And I don't think the Liberals have the nerve to say, sorry, we lied to you trying to win

00:20:40.180 inner city seats.

00:20:41.600 Our bad.

00:20:42.540 We helped create the Labor majority.

00:20:44.940 Just kidding.

00:20:45.620 Can you come and vote for us?

00:20:46.600 They're going to need someone who was honest from the start to help them bring those voters

00:20:50.620 back.

00:20:51.500 And so that would be my path back to sanity that's achievable.

00:20:57.220 But only if the Liberals can bury the hatch and say, we made a mistake, and we're going

00:21:01.900 to let this happen so that we can, you know, overcome Albanese's socialist utopia. 0.97

00:21:07.640 There's a lot of hopeful, a lot of things have to happen that I just can't see happening,

00:21:13.140 including the Liberal Party actually recognising the real problem.

00:21:18.660 But on top of that, I think one of the issues that now I've seen in every single election

00:21:24.300 cycle, there is a Gerard Rennick.

00:21:26.840 There is a group, and in the lead up to the election, they seem almost more hell-bent on

00:21:34.940 destroying what they see as their rival for that particular, those particular Senate spots

00:21:40.580 usually, and so they, instead of really going after the Greens or the Labor Party, they tend

00:21:47.060 to spend a big chunk of their campaigning against the other right-wing minor party, and

00:21:54.940 then their preferences are always really funny because they're more focused, again, on punishing.

00:21:59.380 So in that case, Gerard Rennick and One Nation, it was like they were just trying to punish

00:22:03.980 them, and so it ends up punishing everyone because at the end of the day, when you look at

00:22:09.300 the numbers, no one ends up with a seat, when really, the Conservative bloc should have ended

00:22:15.800 up with a seat in every single state.

00:22:19.160 I agree.

00:22:20.560 I also agree that there were people in that election, on the minor party, who were there

00:22:24.540 for their own personal reasons to chase a vendetta, and they went for the easiest pickings,

00:22:28.820 which is votes that parties who have been there for a long time and have been devoted to their

00:22:34.500 people for a long time, they thought, oh, we could just steal those votes.

00:22:36.780 They're easy to get from, we'll go after them.

00:22:39.600 I thought that behaviour was pretty disgusting, to be honest, but my point is that you have

00:22:43.820 to have people to fall to your party.

00:22:45.860 Sure, sure.

00:22:46.380 To vote for you.

00:22:47.380 And so if you've got a minor Conservative party on the right who is officially in a

00:22:51.980 coalition with the major parties and has a chance of actually impacting policy in a

00:22:57.740 positive way, then voters are far more likely to say, you know what, I'm going to go for

00:23:02.140 the guys who actually have a shot, so I think that will help to moderate your problem, whereas

00:23:08.620 those other parties have far less of an opportunity to divide votes and vote split if there's

00:23:14.620 a genuine belief that the ones that are running are in a position to make a difference, so I

00:23:18.960 think that will help.

00:23:20.280 I hope you're right.

00:23:20.960 That's one point there.

00:23:22.660 You are right about there being difficulties to overcome, but there are some things we

00:23:26.100 know are going to happen that will have an impact on these decisions, and one of those

00:23:30.000 is the backlash in the regions, and that is going to happen, because that is a function

00:23:35.980 of the destruction of renewable energy.

00:23:37.980 They are going to go looking for people, so the Liberals will have to deal with that

00:23:41.040 one way or another.

00:23:42.500 Yeah, look, yeah, I'm hoping you're right about that, because I do, I remember, if you

00:23:50.920 remember Frasier Anning, that was his name?

00:23:53.380 Oh my God, yeah.

00:23:53.940 That was in the last one, but he was like the Gerard Renick, he was like the Gerard Renick

00:23:58.220 that time, and then you have, and then this time obviously you have Gerard Renick, and you

00:24:02.920 just see it splitting the vote of a group that essentially has been around for that long and has been

00:24:08.140 consistently growing every single election, and I feel like that's the message that needs

00:24:13.920 to be sent to the conservative voters, to the right-wing voters that are looking for

00:24:20.460 so you don't have to agree with everything One Nation has done, but they've been consistent

00:24:25.080 for, you know, what is that, 25 years, and they've consistently been gradually growing,

00:24:33.380 and they've turned into like something, a force to actually be reckoned with, and instead

00:24:36.840 of going after these United Trumpets or whatever they have, United Trumpets, I don't know, I'm

00:24:43.340 mixing all their names now, Trumpets or Patriots, United, yeah, United Patriots, whatever it's

00:24:50.660 called, that, like, each time there is another group that it seems just to destroy the one

00:24:59.120 group that is getting somewhere, that is making a move, and it's incredibly frustrating when I'm

00:25:07.560 actually happy if one of them win, I'm even happy if these Trumpets or whatever won, but it was so

00:25:13.320 clear that they weren't going to, and when their whole preferences came out, it was so clear that

00:25:17.880 they were designed as a vendetta rather than an actual real political party trying to get somewhere

00:25:24.020 outside of Clive Palmer's personal gain. And then with Gerard Rennick, it also became super clear to me

00:25:30.480 that it's, you know, a lot of it was down to this infighting instead of progressing for something,

00:25:37.380 for policy, for an idea, and it's something that the left has managed to really do. If you look at,

00:25:43.960 you know, the Greens to the Socialists, all those little groups, they all sit there and prop each other

00:25:49.340 up, even though they're running in the same seats. Do you know what, Ms Avi, I miss the days when you

00:25:56.280 used to have a panel of your prospective candidates, including the major parties, and you made them sit

00:26:03.540 there and debate their ideology properly. Reporters actually said, hang on, you can't just give the

00:26:09.460 line, what are you actually going to do if this happens? Because the public are not being given

00:26:15.060 an opportunity to assess whether these people even know what they're talking about. And so our politics

00:26:19.880 has become performative. It's no longer about ideas. You talk beautifully about ideas, Avi, but

00:26:25.640 I don't think our politicians care about ideas. I don't think they care about policies unless it's

00:26:30.360 come out of a focus group. They think that people will vote for something. That's why we've descended

00:26:35.000 into this vote buying exercise, because there are no great ideas anymore in our culture. We have lost

00:26:40.500 that. And that is a tragedy. And we are going to have to learn this the hard way. And I feel very

00:26:46.740 sorry for young generations, because they're going to be the ones that do the worst possible amount of 1.00

00:26:53.040 learning in this case, where they're going to be the broke ones at the end of the day, because the

00:26:57.180 money is about to run out, if not almost a trillion dollars in debt, it's run out. And someone's going to

00:27:02.680 have to pay for it.

00:27:04.640 You know, I thought last time we were learning that hard lesson. In the last election, I thought,

00:27:10.460 oh, look at the wipeout. Remember that? We were crying about the Labour wipeout in, what was it?

00:27:16.520 2022? 2022, was it? Yeah. Was it?

00:27:19.460 Dark ages, I believe.

00:27:20.780 Yeah. It was right after COVID. And we thought, gosh. And it was a wipeout then. And it was nothing

00:27:26.200 compared to what we are, what we're facing now. And yeah, it feels like today's news is we're digging

00:27:33.360 ourselves out, digging our way out of it. The Liberal Party is going to try to dig their way out of this

00:27:38.940 one. And there's no light at the end of this tunnel. Can't we have a Nigel Farage? Can't we find

00:27:46.160 somebody that, like technically it could work here. You could find somebody that, even though we have

00:27:52.100 a completely different system. In fact, I would have thought that our system is easier than the

00:27:57.880 British system in doing that because they don't have a preferential system. So it relies 100% on

00:28:06.300 your primary vote and it gets split. That's why in the UK, it's so, so the idea that Nigel Farage was

00:28:13.800 able to get up there and, you know, just last, a week and a half ago, win a seat against the Labor

00:28:21.020 Party, the Conservatives weren't even considered a player in that, in that fight. And Nigel Farage

00:28:28.200 won't. But it's, but when you vote, you're voting, it's your primary vote. That's all that counts. So

00:28:33.040 like if you have two Conservative parties, the Conservative, they're called the Tories. I think that's

00:28:37.760 England. The Tories and the, and, and then Nigel Farage's Reform Party, they're fighting. They're

00:28:45.240 like, they're like Gerard Rennick and, and, and One Nation here, but at least here, there's a

00:28:50.480 preferential system. So at least they can, they can preference each other. So if you really care about

00:28:56.000 ideology and you don't want to, you want to stop Labor and the Greens getting in, you just preference

00:29:01.380 each other second and the best man wins. But there it's literally your vote. So the two

00:29:07.460 Conservative groups are going against that. It's a misconception that preference voting makes it

00:29:13.880 easier for minor parties. First past the post, which is how our system was originally designed,

00:29:18.820 was designed that way because it's actually easier in a single election cycle to get a new voice up on a,

00:29:24.540 on a one run horse race with the primary vote that it is to sit there and do all this factional

00:29:30.020 games with other parties where a coalition of left-wing parties can keep a single powerful

00:29:34.500 right-wing voice out. That's why the left was so excited to vote for preference or voting. They

00:29:39.360 knew it would secure a power for a long time. It also entrenches major parties who do deals to

00:29:44.700 suffocate the minor parties. But in the, well, you can see in the UK, they are able to stage a

00:29:51.460 revolution with a new third party, as was the design of our system originally, because they kept

00:29:56.280 their system intact. And we are seeing right now with Farage exactly how our system is supposed to

00:30:01.460 work. If the Conservatives betray their ideas, a new party rises to replace them. And that is what

00:30:07.420 reform is. Reform is an adjustment to a broken system. And I feel like now I need to bring it,

00:30:13.240 I need to bring you back with, um, Topher Field and debate this one out. Yeah. I also,

00:30:19.980 I can also tell you that if, uh, compulsory voting keeps the vote in the centre away from radical

00:30:25.720 parties, and I've always disagreed with the libertarians of this one, because in practice,

00:30:29.380 every country that brings in voluntary voting starts shifting to the left, because the only

00:30:34.280 people motivated to vote are the young left-wing activists. And you start to have radical politics

00:30:39.080 out. The people who designed our system, Arby, were very smart. They knew what they were doing.

00:30:44.640 And a lot of people think they know better. And they have started to ruin our system of politics.

00:30:49.400 And look how hard it is now for us to fix our broken politics. We were talking earlier today,

00:30:53.760 what are we going to do? How do we fix it? We've made it very hard for ourselves,

00:30:58.220 thanks to the changes we made to the Westminster system. And that's, that's on our politicians

00:31:02.200 for doing that. They were chasing power. And guess what? They've given power to the left and

00:31:06.680 now they can't get it back. Um, you've given me a lot to think about there because I, I,

00:31:11.500 I, I hear what you're saying. And I, up until this conversation, I've been a avid supporter

00:31:17.720 of the preferential system, but do you, so you're just, I understand your, you support

00:31:22.560 compulsory voting because you think as soon as it's voluntary, then it, it will shift

00:31:28.060 to the left. Is that right?

00:31:29.120 It is a fact, a statistical fact of countries and nations history that, but how do you explain,

00:31:35.600 like, look, look at America, Trump, but just wait, compulsory voting. Well, there's always

00:31:40.800 a few people who don't know what they're voting for. And that's the case, whether it's compulsory

00:31:44.240 or not, right? So you can't use a few outliers when the moms and dads and people who aren't

00:31:49.040 really politically engaged get to the polling booth. Are they going to vote for the psycho radical

00:31:54.320 socialist with communism as us on the side with green hair and whatever else, or are they going

00:31:59.040 to vote for the party that looks sort of mostly normal? They're going to vote for the mostly

00:32:02.320 normal party. And so what happens is you end up with a bulk of people in the center who hold the

00:32:07.120 weight of politics toward normality and reason. And you have a few little voices there to pull and,

00:32:12.720 you know, and change our culture just a little bit, but it's manageable. And that was always the

00:32:17.120 point of having compulsory voting is it keeps politics moving slowly and not radically because what you

00:32:23.360 don't want is radical, swift politics because it's like a car going too fast. It veers off into

00:32:29.600 oblivion like we see with dictatorships where there's one person in charge who can change things

00:32:34.400 in a moment, but that's not good for the future and longevity of a country, which is why we had

00:32:40.640 compulsory voting. But you have to pair it with first pass the post if you want the system to work

00:32:45.520 properly. We broke one bar of that system and now we're suffering. If we want to do something good,

00:32:50.000 Arby, we should restore our political system to what it was designed because it was designed very

00:32:54.560 well and we broke it. Maybe that's what we can do. I'm excited. I'm excited to organize this debate

00:32:59.440 because you do make a super compelling argument that makes me question my own view on this,

00:33:08.080 which is good. That's the point of conversations. And I've always been somebody that thought no,

00:33:13.920 preferential voting is good because it allows minor parties to get in there and have a go because they

00:33:20.400 can form some sort of preference dealing that gives them a chance against the major parties. But

00:33:30.400 your points are super valid there. And I think the proof that works for your argument is the whole

00:33:38.720 Farage thing. I thought it would work against him. But it kind of seems complicated though,

00:33:44.000 because the fact that Farage can do it means he needs to get that many more because it's the Tories

00:33:50.880 and Farage fighting over essentially the same side of politics, the same voters, although

00:33:59.440 Farage is also appealing to working class as well. So he's pulling a few that would vote.

00:34:06.480 But is it compulsory? Let me explain it this way, Avi. What we've done is turned our politics into a war

00:34:12.800 of attrition, which is not just one election cycle, but it's almost a sequence of elections where all

00:34:20.720 these preference deals are put in place. And, you know, people got vendettas from previous elections

00:34:25.680 and this and that. So the total vote of all the preferences is that it's not fresh every election.

00:34:31.280 It's this thing that keeps rolling and rolling and rolling. What the system was originally,

00:34:35.200 and what Farage has now is its fresh clean slate. Is it compulsory in the UK?

00:34:41.680 No, but it used to be, I think. And they're seriously considering maybe it should be because

00:34:47.840 they've got the same problem that I was talking about, which is all the new people are radicalised

00:34:51.360 to vote and they're having trouble getting all the normal people to go and vote at the polls.

00:34:55.600 So same deal. The problem I'm talking about, they were talking about themselves.

00:34:59.600 But with the preferencing, which is what I want to talk about, Nigel Farage has to tell that one

00:35:05.520 seat, if you vote for us this time around, we can make a change. He doesn't have to say the last

00:35:10.800 five elections or whatever else, or the deals. He doesn't have to overcome all the parties. He only

00:35:15.200 has to come primary vote. So he doesn't have to beat everyone's second and third and fourth

00:35:19.120 preferences. He just has to get the total majority once. And so it's easier for a party like Farage

00:35:26.400 to win the popular vote than it is to win against the preferences of all the other parties. So like

00:35:31.920 if the Tories and Labor collude, how is a minor party ever going to get up if the two major parties

00:35:37.680 start colluding?

00:35:38.240 Yeah, but that's true if the Tories and... I get what you're saying in that situation.

00:35:45.920 And they do that here.

00:35:46.960 No, no, you're right, because they used to put One Nation behind...

00:35:50.560 This was the first election that One Nation was actually before

00:35:53.280 Labor for the Liberals, I believe. So in the case over there, if...

00:35:59.200 So unless the Tories and Labor colluded to put reform last, so then their two votes will count

00:36:10.320 above... He wouldn't be able to do it.

00:36:12.080 He wouldn't be able to do it, sure. That's assuming that they would collude.

00:36:15.440 So right now he's saying, I'm the best party, and everyone's going, okay, well,

00:36:19.440 we're going to give you a shot, and they can give these new parties a shot. And so every election is

00:36:25.280 fresh. Every election is a one-off. Can you make the popular vote? And Farage is like, yep, did it.

00:36:32.480 Right?

00:36:32.880 I feel like I need somebody... I need a maths expert to help me unpack that, because like...

00:36:39.520 Because there's also the question of whether Farage and the Tories then... Because they would

00:36:45.600 naturally preference each other unless the Tories go, no, hold on. For us, it's better to keep it a

00:36:51.280 two-party system. So we'll talk to Labor. We'll say to them, let's just both keep out the

00:36:57.600 reform and then make it into a two-party race by both preferencing him later. But it could go

00:37:03.440 either way. The Tories and reform could join for... I think the point is, if you're running a horse race,

00:37:11.920 do you want the winner of the horse race to actually win, the person who crosses the line,

00:37:15.840 or do you want the winner to be declared of all the people behind the horse?

00:37:19.200 No, I do agree with that. But what's... So what's the counter-argument? The counter-argument that...

00:37:25.520 I've talked about this with Topher, which again, I'm organizing this debate because I'm truly

00:37:30.320 fascinated by it, is the argument is that, let's say you have, you know, in the case... So you have

00:37:38.240 three people running, which they'll say is like in the UK where it's Farage, the Conservatives,

00:37:46.400 and Labor Party. And the thing is, you don't want to lose. So if you have... So really, there's people

00:37:54.560 are split, like they share more values. Like the people that are voting for the Conservatives share

00:37:59.680 more values with Farage, but they want to give Farage a chance. But if Farage fails, their ideals

00:38:06.880 mostly align or more align with the Conservatives over Labor. So they would want their... their vote

00:38:15.200 realistically should flow on to their next best option because that's what more... that's where

00:38:22.240 they would sit if there wasn't this party.

00:38:24.320 And that's what happens in Australia. So the proof, Avi, and is... we actually have... we've got the

00:38:30.720 great benefit of having two systems which show us what the result is.

00:38:33.680 Yeah.

00:38:34.400 So the result of the philosophy is, if you do what you've just said there, which is,

00:38:38.160 oh, I want my vote to mostly align to what I kind of think, is that you get the entrenching of two

00:38:44.080 major parties. Politics starts to split into two sides with nothing in the middle, with no minor

00:38:49.920 parties because they can't overcome these major parties. And so in the end, those two major parties

00:38:55.120 no longer have to worry about minor parties raising up and winning a couple of seats like Farage is doing.

00:38:59.520 They don't have to worry about that because they're unlikely to do so. And if they do so,

00:39:03.120 the two major parties collude and get rid of them, right? So what's happening is Australian

00:39:07.200 politics is the end form of this system where we've got two parties which are almost identical.

00:39:12.400 They're too frightened to debate each other on real core issues because they're frightened of losing

00:39:16.080 elections. And there's no real minor party support because they can't beat the collusion of preference

00:39:21.360 voting. And politics is spiralling into this nasty, almost pseudo dictatorship because of that.

00:39:28.240 Preferencing is giving a least worst option as a default. It's almost saying the primary race doesn't 0.99

00:39:34.720 matter anymore. We're looking for the least worst with our fourth or fifth preference. That is not a

00:39:39.680 good way to produce healthy politics. The best way is to scare the heck out of the major parties

00:39:45.120 every time and say, look, it's a clean slate. Anyone can win every seat every time. And sometimes

00:39:50.560 you get surprised. It's like if there's a really good candidate in a local seat like we saw with Farage,

00:39:55.440 will they get elected because they like them? And then they don't have to worry about preference

00:39:59.440 deals. They were the most popular person and suddenly they're standing there as the winner.

00:40:03.280 Now you have like that is how you get them in. And it took Farage two goes, don't forget. It was two

00:40:09.280 real election goes before people went, yeah, you know what? We're joining the movement now. He's becoming

00:40:14.400 unstoppable. We may never get to that point because our preferencing is sending minor parties into this,

00:40:21.040 as you described earlier, sort of vanity projects and destructive forces and whatever,

00:40:27.360 because they know they're never going to get elected. We know that. You know that. What are

00:40:31.360 the libertarians going to do at 1%? Nothing. They know they can't win a seat. And so that's going to

00:40:37.040 die out eventually. We don't want that. What we want is a Farage who can win a seat because he's got a

00:40:42.160 great candidate first go. I love it. I love this conversation. I feel like I'm not equipped to

00:40:49.760 actually, and I don't actually have a position. I've always thought I had a position until this

00:40:54.320 conversation. And you make some super valid point. Would you be up for a debate with our

00:40:59.120 friend Topher Field on this issue? I will organize it.

00:41:01.760 Sure. I want a reformation and a restoration of conservative politics.

00:41:06.640 Well, that's the beauty of this is that you both want the same outcome.

00:41:10.880 You should look at the model that works, right? If something's working, then you have to ask serious

00:41:17.200 questions about why is that working? And it's not just for us, because it's happened in Australia

00:41:22.960 before we changed our system. The Menzies Party is a great example that it was possible here 1.00

00:41:28.960 before we made changes. And the only change we made was preferencing.

00:41:35.840 Look, I'm going to organize this and we're going to have it. And because I want some more clarity from

00:41:43.440 two people that have completely opposing views on this issue, but both share pretty similar wishes for

00:41:53.120 the outcome. So it'll be interesting to hear that play out. And both of you know a lot more about

00:42:00.000 what you're talking about than I do. So I'm not, I'm not, I'm not going to execute the arguments. I love it.

00:42:05.600 I'm sure I'll get shouted at the comments, Avi, but I don't necessarily, I don't, I don't agree.

00:42:12.320 I think you might actually, I don't know how it would play out. The thing is, I don't know why this is

00:42:17.760 the first time I've had a conversation where these arguments from someone, somebody I respect

00:42:24.240 have made them from somebody that wants the outcome to want, want it to fall the same way I do. But

00:42:33.920 make me think that making me question my view of it all in how I've always perceived it and the way

00:42:41.440 that I look at it and thought that it was, that it actually is a good system. But now I do question

00:42:48.080 it. So it's all because I don't think, I don't think the comments, I don't think people feel that

00:42:55.440 strongly about it. So that's why I say Topher Field. He's somebody that does advocate it. And

00:43:00.240 that's the only reason why I even know anything about it, because I've talked to him about it and

00:43:04.960 he's done his marble thing and he's, you know, that, that was kind of his shtick. And I, and I interviewed

00:43:10.160 him about it and he educated me on it and I never really questioned it because I don't think I've

00:43:17.440 ever heard. I don't, I don't disagree with Topher Field's marble. Topher Field has explained how to

00:43:22.560 work the system properly that we have. No, no, no. But he also made, in that same interview that I had

00:43:27.760 with him, he argues that it's a great system. It's actually better. It's the best system is I'm pretty

00:43:34.080 sure what he says. Um, and for the, for the reasons that I kind of probably stuffed up when I,

00:43:41.200 when I, um, gave, presented him now, he, he, he's a lot more across it. So he, he articulated it in a

00:43:49.440 way that was very compelling. I've never really heard the counter to it. And I don't think that

00:43:53.840 this is an issue that let's say my viewers feel particularly strong about. We never really thought

00:43:59.280 about it. We've, we knew this was our system. Uh, I've spoken to people like Topher who advocate

00:44:04.800 for the system, explain how to use the system to get to the outcome that we are trying to achieve.

00:44:11.360 But then there is you who also wants to achieve that same outcome, but you're saying, hold on,

00:44:16.400 I think our system's stuffed. We need to go back to what our system used to be. I think I've, I've, uh,

00:44:22.400 summarized that properly. And I am going to organize, uh, some random extra, we'll do a live

00:44:28.080 feed, uh, debate on it, which I don't even know if people will want to tune in because is it that

00:44:33.120 dry that people don't care? I'm fascinated. I want to hear you both, uh, put, putting your position

00:44:40.960 forward and then letting each other, uh, you know, uh, dismantle it or, or, um, make the stronger

00:44:49.200 argument for it. It'll, it'll be fascinating. But now this has been a great conversation before I

00:44:53.600 let you go. I just want to hear what you've been up to. What are you doing these days and where

00:44:58.240 people can find you? But besides the debate that's coming up. Of course, of course. Uh,

00:45:04.560 as always, I am the online editor of the spectator. So I write, uh, spectator pretty much every single

00:45:11.440 morning. Uh, you can always find me on my Twitter, which is just Ellie Milly. Uh, and what I'm doing is

00:45:18.480 I'm going to start getting back into interviewing. I really, really miss having great conversations

00:45:24.000 like these with people like you, Avi. Uh, so in a few weeks, I think I'm going to set back up and

00:45:30.080 if you guys have got any people you'd like to hear me interview or talk to, I'm just going to do it

00:45:34.320 quietly on my own. So, uh, no, no big overarching, uh, corporation or anything, just me with a camera

00:45:41.120 and I'd like to have some chats with interesting people and topics exactly like this, which are not

00:45:45.760 discussed enough, uh, in the press. And I think we could all, uh, have a good time and, uh, learn

00:45:51.120 something. So, uh, that's just keep following me online really. So, um, cause you just sparked a

00:45:58.320 thought in my head when you said you're, uh, what are you the editor for spectator? I'm the online

00:46:04.080 editor for the spectator. The online editor for the spectator. You've got the editor in chief of the

00:46:08.960 the spectator is Rowan Dean. Correct? That's correct. Yes. Who one hour ago tweeted or posted,

00:46:16.960 whatever you call it these days. Congratulations to Susan for an outstanding victory in today's 0.95

00:46:24.160 Liberal Party ballot. A lot of extra letters in it. How am I meant to read that?

00:46:30.960 I, I think you can, uh, read the extra letters as a humorous comment on, uh, Susan Lay's, uh,

00:46:40.400 what is it? Is it numerology that she's into? Uh, I'm sure you should be reading that one with a

00:46:46.080 slight grin and a raised eyebrow. Alexandra, thanks so much for your time. Did you tell people,

00:46:52.800 I know I was looking up for the tweet. Did you tell everyone where to find you?

00:46:55.360 Yes, I did. My Twitter account's the best place to go. It's just at Ellie Melly.

00:47:02.400 Till next time, till the debate. Thanks for joining us. Thank you very much.

00:47:08.960 So we're at that part of the show where I get to read your comments from throughout the week,

00:47:12.160 because yes, as a Rebel News Plus subscriber, I encourage you to go on the website to all my

00:47:17.680 reports throughout the week and get involved in the conversation, leave a comment. And every

00:47:21.760 Wednesday night at the end of the show, this part of the show, I will go through the comments. So

00:47:26.080 let's start here. Um, this was a story about the unhinged Hamas activists abusing, uh, the pastor

00:47:32.720 and his daughter in Sydney. Brent says they don't care about Palestine. They want communism.

00:47:39.280 Palestine is just the alibi. That is very, very true. And, uh, whether it's communism or just 0.98

00:47:46.800 general Jew hatred, Palestine is always just their alibi. Well said, uh, Bruce, thanks for coming 0.95

00:47:54.240 back and commenting how pathetic that woman is. So many people work themselves into insanity because 1.00

00:48:01.200 they can't stand any difference of opinion. It's hard, but we must pity such pathetic people to a degree. 1.00

00:48:10.720 My, my sympathy goes so far, but these people can be dangerous as well. But thanks for the comment, 0.96

00:48:19.040 Bruce. Um, this, uh, story was regarding the election, the election fallout. This was the

00:48:26.880 live that we did, and we're going to be doing a lot more lives. So if you haven't already, uh,

00:48:31.680 hit the notification buttons on my YouTube, do it. I'm starting to do a lot of lives. That's why we

00:48:35.600 push this show to Wednesday night. Cosas says in being satisfied because the leader of the

00:48:43.600 greens has lost his seat. You are not only taking into account his contribution, legalizing vapes

00:48:49.760 in Australia, which are now sold in pharmacies without, without a prescription. And you are also

00:48:55.120 not taking into account his and his party's support for cannabis legalization and decriminalization,

00:49:02.960 which is vital in Australia for smoking to remain the legitimate and legal in widest possible range

00:49:10.080 and reinforces this important cause existing in Australia. Maybe you should look at all aspects

00:49:17.520 of the same fact to determine your opinion about in the, about it in terms of your interests. Um,

00:49:25.600 um, I guess what you're saying is that you're, uh, from reading that, I'm assuming you're,

00:49:32.880 you think he did good work in legalizing cannabis and decriminalization or not?

00:49:40.160 Are you taking into parties? Uh, I, there's a lot of conflation that I, I don't know. Um, I, I,

00:49:46.240 I'm certainly not. The fact that Adam Batt lost his seat, uh, he's done a lot in that period.

00:49:51.840 Uh, some of this, um, I can't, I don't know if you're saying that this is good stuff or bad stuff.

00:49:56.720 I'd argue that much of the legalization and decriminalization is not good. Um, coming from

00:50:05.680 somebody that, uh, had experience with, I think we've got to separate cannabis and decriminalization

00:50:12.000 of harder drugs. I have less of a problem with, uh, cannabis. Uh, that's something we should definitely

00:50:17.200 debate in the country and come to a national, uh, uh, agreement on, on policy nationwide.

00:50:25.040 Shouldn't have different states. It's crazy in America how they do that as well. But decriminalization

00:50:29.040 of harder drugs are as somebody that has a long history of drug use in my teen into young adult

00:50:35.680 life. Um, I don't know if decriminalizing, if you look around the world, anywhere that decriminalize

00:50:40.480 is not a good idea. So if you think that that's a good thing he's done, uh, uh, I'd, I'd argue,

00:50:45.360 maybe not, um, I wouldn't give him credit for that. But if you're saying that I'm not taking

00:50:52.000 into account how he has negatively infected, uh, affected and impacted, uh, Australia, I, I,

00:50:59.600 I'm not taking that away from him. The Greens has done, I've done a lot of horrible things.

00:51:03.760 Um, we were just celebrating for a day that he actually lost his seat, but I appreciate your

00:51:07.520 comment, whether I agree with it or not. Um, maybe next, next comment, clarify what you thought.

00:51:14.640 Costas, Costas, and thank you for your message. Um, on Abby Chatfield crashing out, we did a lot

00:51:24.000 of an Abby lately, um, uh, in her post-election meltdown, obviously she was running the Greens

00:51:29.200 campaign. Bruce, thanks for coming back. Bruce says, people like that show how petty and mean they

00:51:36.480 are just by writing or speaking. Socialists are the ones who are isolated and miserable, 0.98

00:51:41.840 people. And they are the oppressors of women by wanting trans males to play against women 0.99

00:51:46.960 and to invade their washrooms and changing rooms. They sure do project a lot. And I wish their 0.96

00:51:53.440 projection bulb would burn out. In fact, Bruce, uh, that was early on. We did a lot more about, um,

00:51:59.760 Abby since then. We did a whole live feed that was about her crashing out. And it, it, it goes more to

00:52:04.320 your point in fact. And, and I don't know if you're probably, but if you know, Abby, um, everything

00:52:10.000 about her is, uh, hypocritical and a lot of it is projection. If you watch our last live feed, you may

00:52:17.040 have, uh, you'd see that. Um, with the vegan activists declaring bankruptcy, these are two of the

00:52:26.080 most menacing vegans in Australia. John said somewhat, uh, someone wanted attention. Well,

00:52:33.120 now she has it. So true, John, everything was about attention for her. And finally, um, she's

00:52:41.920 received a bit of a taste of her own menacing. They, they've been menacing and they've

00:52:46.080 targeted innocent people over nothing. You know, if you want to be a vegan, a vegetarian, whatever,

00:52:51.680 you do you, but, uh, the way they attack people eating dinners or, or, or private businesses,

00:52:58.160 it was horrible. And I'm glad to hear that they threw the book at her. Bruce back again,

00:53:03.760 what a wacko humans are radically different from animals. This self-righteous woman and her followers 1.00

00:53:10.320 think they have the right to pull stunts. Exactly what I was talking about. All that does

00:53:13.840 is anger, ordinary and sane folks. And for the stupid people, I don't agree with animal cruelty. 1.00

00:53:22.240 Uh, neither do I agree that animals are people. I have to explain this for those who are hard of 1.00

00:53:27.920 thinking. So true. I'm with you. I have a dog, actually right now we're also dog sitting another

00:53:34.960 dog. I love animals. I used to have a cat who unfortunately died about a year ago, but, um,

00:53:42.720 love animals. I cried when my cat died, but, uh, so there's a difference between animal cruelty and,

00:53:50.160 um, eating and, and, and, and, you know what, and, and trying to encourage people to be vegan,

00:53:54.560 whether it's for health reasons or whatever, uh, I'd, I'd, I'd say that's up for debate,

00:54:00.320 but even if it's for moral reasons, um, there's a way to go about it. And the way that these two

00:54:05.520 carry on, I'm glad again, that they've thrown the book at him, my good friend, Roman, the road,

00:54:11.760 road rager who backpedaled on his Hamas defense after about 25 minutes in discussion. We saw the

00:54:18.000 true Roman come out, even though I thought he, um, had changed his ways and, um, I'm not going to

00:54:23.440 read these two, but thank you guys for your comments because I can see they're both about

00:54:28.320 something that I didn't even realize when watching it back because I wasn't looking at Roman's hand

00:54:32.960 or his genitals, but it seems like Roman was playing with himself almost the whole debate or

00:54:39.680 a good portion of the debate, which is weird now that I think of it. But thank you for the comment, 0.92

00:54:44.880 guys. And last but not least, another Greens senator has quit. I think this is the third or fourth

00:54:53.200 due to bullying. So the tolerant party isn't as tolerant as they'd like you to think.

00:55:00.800 But imagine my shock and John says, the sociopaths always float to the top. Exactly. Guys,

00:55:07.840 thanks for tuning in tonight. Make sure to tune in on, uh, to the opposition podcast now,

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Rebel News Podcast - May 14, 2025

AVI YEMINI ｜ The Yemini Report — Ep 23

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