Rebel News Podcast - AVI YEMINI ｜ The Yemini Report

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00:00:46.680 Welcome back to the Yamini Report, where you never know where our guests come from.

00:00:51.920 And this time it's confusing, because this is somebody that I've met before in the United Kingdom, probably in my most cringy days, but has since moved to Israel.

00:01:04.540 There's a lot to unpack in this story.

00:01:06.940 Joseph, welcome to the show. It's Joseph Yeo, or do you call yourself Yosef? I'm pretty sure it's Joseph. Did I get it wrong?

00:01:12.120 So it's Joseph online, but we had the question when we hit immigration, are you going to be a Yosef, or are you going to be a Joseph?

00:01:18.460 And my wife pointed out, I would regret if I remained Joseph.

00:01:23.120 So here I'm Yosef, online I'm Joseph, or Joseph the Zionist amongst certain circles.

00:01:28.620 Yes, well, look, there's a long history here, because I remember the last time I met you, I think I saw you when you were hanging around the streets of, actually, Speaker's Corner, around there, probably 2017, 18, if I'm not mistaken, around that period.

00:01:46.460 I've got to say, when I watch back some of those videos from that period, I can't help but curl up into a little ball and just feel, take in the embarrassment.

00:01:59.980 And a lot of that has to do with watching somebody like you nowadays and the way you handle almost the same sort of conversations in a much better way than I ever did.

00:02:11.780 So tell us, firstly, before I get into that, because I do love the work that you're doing at the moment, I'm obsessed with a few people who do those.

00:02:20.520 I've been trying them out myself because you guys have inspired me, those kind of online debate, discussions, whatever.

00:02:27.100 But before we get to that, I want to know what happened, because the last time I saw you, like I said, was in Britain, and now you've moved.

00:02:34.300 Why?

00:02:35.180 So I'll be frank.

00:02:36.800 The UK is not safe for Jews, and particularly Jews who have any sort of profile.

00:02:44.160 There is not a day goes by when I don't receive a death threat.

00:02:48.040 I've had knives pulled on me, physical altercations, people trying to dox me, and I've got a family.

00:02:56.900 And it's no place for Jews.

00:02:59.040 With the trend of the West, I think I'm one of the early adopters.

00:03:06.760 I think many, many Jews will be following, unfortunately.

00:03:10.880 Yeah, I think, look, I...

00:03:11.760 Maybe I could even...

00:03:13.320 Sorry, I was just going to say, maybe you could even call me a Jewish refugee from the West.

00:03:17.540 It sounds crazy.

00:03:18.500 But I, listen, I understand, I get these dramas here in Australia, and I, back then when I saw you, you know, I was hanging around somebody like Tommy Robinson, and in the Jewish community, especially within the establishment, he was like the worst person on the planet.

00:03:34.300 And they often even cuddled up to some of the people who today were a far greater threat, especially to the Jewish community than Tommy ever was.

00:03:45.160 But I experienced kind of that hate early on, especially from the same parts of the community in which the broader community is now finally waking up and realising we're always a threat.

00:03:58.820 Has something shifted in the UK in that aspect?

00:04:02.300 Because back then, I don't think you... Were you getting hate back then?

00:04:06.120 You were considered kind of moderate.

00:04:09.980 I was considered moderate, but a moderate Jew is still a Jew.

00:04:14.820 And so I was still getting hate even back then.

00:04:16.980 Even back then, okay.

00:04:18.640 Yeah, and so I get the Tommy thing.

00:04:21.280 I get why the community was nervous.

00:04:25.620 I think they misjudged Tommy.

00:04:27.220 I think the most sensible strategy the Jewish community could have had in relation to someone like Tommy Robinson is if you don't agree with everything he says, then let Tommy be Tommy.

00:04:39.400 And you can go separate ways.

00:04:41.080 And that's kind of the attitude I took.

00:04:42.540 My strategy is I work with the same problem that Tommy works with.

00:04:45.940 I work with the same problem that you used to work with and still I'm showing a huge spotlight on.

00:04:50.780 And that is radical Islam.

00:04:52.440 My strategy is very different.

00:04:54.200 My strategy is extend the arm of peace to those Muslims that you can make peace with.

00:05:01.860 And those that want to raise the sword, then it's on.

00:05:05.300 But I believe one of the mistakes that people like Tommy Robinson make, people in this space make, is they at times go to war with 2 billion Muslims.

00:05:14.420 And that's a stupid thing to do.

00:05:15.820 I would much rather make friends with and amplify voices in the Muslim community that we can coexist with.

00:05:24.760 From a Jewish perspective, if you were to tell my ancestors 500 years ago that the closest friends that the Jews have today are the Christians,

00:05:32.560 they would look at you like you were crazy because back then Christians were slaughtering us.

00:05:37.720 And today we could not ask for better, closer friends.

00:05:40.900 The Christians are often more pro-Jewish and more pro-Israel than many of the Jews are.

00:05:46.180 And I think we can get to the same place with Muslims.

00:05:48.580 So that's the strategy I've taken.

00:05:50.580 And I think it's where the community has gone wrong with someone like Tommy Robinson is they've just only focused on the negatives

00:05:57.120 and not focused on the positives and created a division between these two communities that doesn't need to exist.

00:06:06.540 Look, Tommy, to be fair, is not coming at it from the Christian perspective.

00:06:10.060 And that's probably not the reason why they don't like Tommy.

00:06:13.220 It's the persona, the football hooligan, the Tommy Robinson, what the media have created of this person

00:06:23.600 in which the mainstream Jewish community establishment has always just latched onto that,

00:06:29.480 hoping that if, I don't know, I actually don't know.

00:06:32.560 I have theories as what they're hoping because, you know, even back then,

00:06:36.380 the Jewish community leadership here in Australia used to put out statements against me.

00:06:40.880 And suddenly, fast forward to today, they're literally saying the exact same things

00:06:48.160 that they condemned me for saying back in 2017.

00:06:52.000 And I kind of have a laugh with some of those leaders now going,

00:06:55.600 oh, welcome to the party.

00:06:57.400 Isn't it weird that now you're finally saying what you were condemning me for saying

00:07:00.820 because they realised all that interfaith work that they've been doing was for nothing

00:07:05.280 because the people that they did that interfaith work with just turned on them as soon as October 7 hit.

00:07:10.860 But I think the thing that's interesting to me is back then,

00:07:16.640 I would have never looked at what you're doing and said, there's something in it.

00:07:21.100 I like it, right, because I just didn't believe it was possible.

00:07:24.840 It was actually for me the Abraham Accords that changed something that I realised,

00:07:29.660 hold on, you know, you don't just have to read the Quran, you know,

00:07:34.000 from cover to cover and pick the bits that are clearly hating of me

00:07:40.180 because there is a chance here that people who do identify as Muslims

00:07:45.320 are willing to extend a real hand of peace.

00:07:48.260 And I felt that in somewhere like the UAE.

00:07:51.180 I felt like, in fact, today, if I go to the UAE,

00:07:54.220 it is one of the only places on the planet that I feel you can show a Star of David

00:07:59.740 without a worry, in fact, many people will show you, like, genuine respect for it.

00:08:06.280 I've been to places where Israel made peace with, as well, like Jordan and that,

00:08:10.480 and you don't feel that.

00:08:11.480 You're not safe there if you show your Star of David.

00:08:14.100 But in the UAE, it's genuine.

00:08:15.740 And that has changed it for me.

00:08:16.800 And that's why when I even engage with people on it,

00:08:19.860 I don't argue with them on the religion like I used to.

00:08:23.880 You know, I did all these courses when I was younger to study the religion,

00:08:27.320 how to debate the religion.

00:08:28.640 And I realized it's, like, all for nothing.

00:08:30.160 I'm not an expert in their religion.

00:08:32.020 I'm also, like, I'm not a sheik or an imam.

00:08:34.660 I'm not a, and I'm not a rabbi by any means.

00:08:37.220 So I don't actually understand both our religions that well.

00:08:40.320 I was just seeing what many people who practice their faith were saying about me,

00:08:45.740 doing this.

00:08:46.240 I was trying to find a point to it.

00:08:47.460 Now that I do see that there is a chance for peace,

00:08:49.980 I watch what you do.

00:08:51.940 And I think it's fantastic because you're,

00:08:55.640 explain to people who don't watch your stuff,

00:08:57.260 how do you approach the discussion,

00:08:59.660 not just extending a hand apiece,

00:09:01.260 but how you approach the discussion when it comes to dealing with Muslims in general?

00:09:07.060 So I think Islam has been politicized heavily since the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.

00:09:14.640 The Ottoman Empire was the last major caliphate that stood.

00:09:17.760 And we've seen a politicization of a religion,

00:09:24.160 which has taken many Muslims away from what their text actually says,

00:09:28.720 in the same way that Christianity went through a reformation.

00:09:32.640 And so quick history lesson,

00:09:35.640 most Christian Zionists come from Protestantism.

00:09:39.880 They come from the,

00:09:41.040 there was Christian preachers like Thomas Brightman,

00:09:44.700 who started reading the scripture and realizing that the Catholic church had had a monopoly

00:09:49.900 on interpretation.

00:09:52.280 And they began to think that returning the Jews back to Israel was actually part of biblical prophecy.

00:09:58.140 And they started working towards the end.

00:10:01.160 Those British Christians then went to America and exported that mentality there.

00:10:05.660 And you have the same seeds in Islam.

00:10:08.420 If you show Muslims their own scripture,

00:10:10.840 they can be,

00:10:12.260 they're shocked.

00:10:13.120 So for instance,

00:10:14.480 one of the lines I'll use is,

00:10:16.660 how many times does the word Palestinian appear in Al-Quran?

00:10:20.040 I've stolen that off you.

00:10:21.740 I've gotten into this.

00:10:23.120 I've used it so many times and it's such a good argument,

00:10:26.000 but do you know what they all counter back with,

00:10:28.640 which I find so bizarre?

00:10:30.920 They all say to me,

00:10:32.320 what do they say to you when you,

00:10:33.860 when they don't know,

00:10:35.020 when they don't know that,

00:10:36.500 but they go,

00:10:37.280 but they say something weird.

00:10:38.840 Do you know what it is?

00:10:39.540 I would imagine that the major answer they'll give you is that the,

00:10:46.380 the,

00:10:47.520 the land was,

00:10:48.800 it is Muslim.

00:10:50.860 They say Al-Quds.

00:10:52.080 And I'm like,

00:10:52.900 how does that,

00:10:53.900 how is Al-Quds got to do anything?

00:10:56.480 So they're perfect.

00:10:57.300 Perfect.

00:10:57.860 So I'm going to teach you some Arabic.

00:11:00.100 So when they say that to you next time,

00:11:02.160 you're,

00:11:02.640 there's the,

00:11:03.880 the simple answer is the word Quds comes from Holy,

00:11:06.880 Bait Al-Makdis from Bait HaMikdash.

00:11:09.800 So it's coming,

00:11:11.500 it's coming from the actual Jewish temple.

00:11:13.300 That's how they get the goods.

00:11:14.660 Al-Quds,

00:11:15.420 the Holy city,

00:11:16.980 comes from the temple standing there.

00:11:19.240 But if they actually sort of trace that back to its roots,

00:11:22.600 there's,

00:11:22.820 there's an iron,

00:11:23.620 there's a verse in the Quran and it goes,

00:11:26.000 you call me,

00:11:26.540 Oh,

00:11:26.680 my people,

00:11:28.220 enter.

00:11:29.560 So this is Moses talking to the children of Israel.

00:11:32.060 Enter.

00:11:32.360 The Holy land.

00:11:35.860 Al-Quds gets its name because the Jewish temple stood there.

00:11:49.060 Bait Al-Makdis.

00:11:50.120 Bait Al-Makdis comes from the Hebrew word Bait HaMikdash.

00:11:53.420 And Bait HaMikdash,

00:11:54.640 and this whole land is holy.

00:11:56.280 And it was assigned by God in your religion.

00:11:58.660 Hold on.

00:11:59.340 Al-Quds itself is actually referring to,

00:12:03.500 gets its,

00:12:04.160 gets that name from,

00:12:05.960 so that it means holy city,

00:12:08.240 which is from.

00:12:09.280 It means.

00:12:10.180 Yeah.

00:12:10.500 Okay.

00:12:10.860 What does it mean?

00:12:11.480 What does it originally mean?

00:12:12.280 What does the word actually mean?

00:12:13.480 It comes from,

00:12:14.200 so the land is called,

00:12:15.520 so in Hebrew we'd say Eret HaKodesh,

00:12:17.780 the Holy land.

00:12:18.700 In Arabic it's Ad Al-Muqdasa.

00:12:21.380 Okay.

00:12:21.900 And so it's the holy city.

00:12:24.240 Eret HaKodesh.

00:12:25.080 The holy city,

00:12:26.440 which is based on the fact that the,

00:12:29.140 Bait HaMikdash was there,

00:12:31.260 what they call.

00:12:32.460 Okay.

00:12:32.740 That's actually really interesting.

00:12:34.080 I am going to use that one because that's like,

00:12:36.180 it just seems so ridiculous when they say it to me,

00:12:39.340 even without knowing all that,

00:12:40.640 because I'm like,

00:12:41.060 okay,

00:12:41.260 but that doesn't,

00:12:42.100 where does it say Palestinian?

00:12:43.480 Are you telling me that Muhammad didn't know what Palestinians were?

00:12:47.080 Why is the Quran so anti-Palestinian?

00:12:49.760 It also doesn't say Quds in Al-Quran.

00:12:51.800 It says Al-Aqsa,

00:12:52.820 which is the furthest,

00:12:54.140 and it's talking about the furthest mosque.

00:12:56.280 And there are Hadith and later commentaries that are,

00:12:59.000 tribute the furthest mosque to the,

00:13:01.720 the mosque that now stands on HaHa Bayit on the Temple Mount.

00:13:06.160 And it's,

00:13:07.260 it's not my place to come in and tell Muslims what their religion are.

00:13:09.880 Many people will argue that's not really Al-Aqsa.

00:13:12.240 Al-Aqsa was actually in Mecca,

00:13:14.160 sorry,

00:13:14.480 in Arabia.

00:13:16.040 But that's an argument I'll let other people have.

00:13:18.280 I'm happy to work with their scripture because the way they interpret it,

00:13:21.520 because they,

00:13:22.200 the way they interpret it is Zionist.

00:13:24.680 The way that Muslims interpret their scripture is Zionist.

00:13:27.920 You just need to point it out to them.

00:13:29.380 So how do they,

00:13:30.820 how do they get around it?

00:13:31.580 How does a Muslim scholar get around that?

00:13:34.760 So on the,

00:13:36.060 the app we're using,

00:13:37.120 apps like Omi TV,

00:13:38.540 there's a very simple get around and that is skip.

00:13:42.020 They hit the next button and they run.

00:13:43.840 But when you put this argument to somebody like,

00:13:46.540 so the most common argument,

00:13:49.620 Mohammed hijab and,

00:13:52.200 and his terrorist companions.

00:13:56.060 What was his name?

00:13:58.100 What's his name?

00:13:59.320 Ali Dawah.

00:14:00.240 Ali Dawah.

00:14:01.040 Yeah.

00:14:01.440 So Dawah boys.

00:14:02.460 How do,

00:14:02.880 how do they get around that argument?

00:14:04.880 So Mohammed hijab would first have to like hide his muata wife,

00:14:08.860 his temporary hotel wife,

00:14:10.600 which is a huge scandal.

00:14:11.660 Yeah.

00:14:11.940 I've been,

00:14:12.880 he's got multiple wives.

00:14:14.560 I do.

00:14:15.020 I do,

00:14:15.800 I do follow some of that stuff.

00:14:17.220 Just,

00:14:17.740 I don't know.

00:14:18.680 It's like a train wreck.

00:14:20.100 You got it.

00:14:20.500 You can't look away yet.

00:14:23.040 And so,

00:14:23.340 so once he's finished hiding his wives,

00:14:25.820 he,

00:14:26.180 his secret wives,

00:14:27.240 he would probably say that the children of Israel then are not the Jews that

00:14:33.260 are in Israel today.

00:14:34.880 Yeah.

00:14:35.120 I've heard that again.

00:14:36.600 And it's easily refuted because you go to,

00:14:39.380 to the Quran again.

00:14:41.040 And in the time of Mohammed,

00:14:43.880 the,

00:14:44.280 the Jews of that period are mentioned in the Quran.

00:14:50.420 And it says that the Jews should be judged for the Jews should judge from their

00:14:55.760 scripture,

00:14:56.140 from the Torah,

00:14:57.020 from the Torah.

00:14:58.180 And so those Jews that lived in the Hejaz in Arabia,

00:15:02.660 then many of them live in Israel.

00:15:05.520 Most of them went either to Yemen or to Israel or to Iraq.

00:15:09.340 And some of those families are preserved.

00:15:11.340 They've even preserved the surnames in Israel today.

00:15:14.060 And so we can very easily draw a line from those Jews to the Jews that live in Israel

00:15:18.680 today.

00:15:19.300 So that they,

00:15:20.300 they have to come up with a whole Megillah.

00:15:22.980 They have to come up with a whole script of how the Jews that Allah promises the land

00:15:28.060 to are not the Jews that live in Israel today.

00:15:30.680 The Jews in Israel today are because they're Europeans.

00:15:32.700 They're fake Jews.

00:15:33.940 I live here.

00:15:34.760 I'm the whitest guy in every room.

00:15:37.880 It's it's it's it.

00:15:38.800 We're a very,

00:15:39.400 very diverse people.

00:15:40.380 And most Jews that live in Israel never steps foot in Europe and their ancestors never

00:15:44.920 stepped foot in Europe.

00:15:46.340 Yeah.

00:15:47.040 Well,

00:15:47.460 I always find that in that conversation interesting when it comes to every expert now on the street

00:15:53.980 who knows everything about Israel and are convinced that Israel is a European colony and everybody's

00:15:59.880 European in Israel.

00:16:00.780 Israel and they're literally looking at me in my face and telling me that Israel is a European

00:16:07.420 country is a country that was colonized by Europeans only.

00:16:10.640 And it's just they just assume everyone's white there.

00:16:13.760 But we've hashed that out a lot in there.

00:16:16.220 I guess I want to go back to your period, the period of time that I knew that I met you.

00:16:21.640 And I vaguely remember, I think that that horrific debate.

00:16:27.720 I did it in in Speaker's Corner that day with Ali Dawah and and Mohammed Hijab.

00:16:36.400 I think you were in the crowd then.

00:16:39.220 And I'm just wondering because you were I think you were always I don't I don't know if you were

00:16:43.760 arguing or you were debating Islam with where you debating Islam with them then.

00:16:49.140 So I'll be absolutely candid.

00:16:51.140 I went to the park over a decade ago, maybe closer to 15.

00:16:55.540 I'm old and I've been going there a long time.

00:16:58.540 And when I first started going, there were no cameras.

00:17:00.480 And I went there as an interfaith brother.

00:17:02.740 I was like, look, guys, your religion says X.

00:17:05.240 This is what I wanted to know.

00:17:06.420 This is what I was getting out.

00:17:07.340 What the history of it was for you.

00:17:09.940 And back then, every Muslim in the park, they'd see me.

00:17:13.620 You all serve big hugs.

00:17:15.560 There was like nothing but love.

00:17:17.280 And then somebody brought a camera and started filming.

00:17:19.760 Then another person brought a camera and suddenly the the atmosphere changed and it became much

00:17:25.740 more hostile.

00:17:27.040 And so I became much more confrontational.

00:17:29.880 And this is probably after you.

00:17:31.140 So you came in the in-between period where it used to be all love and peace.

00:17:36.200 And isn't it amazing?

00:17:37.560 We all descend from Ibrahim, alayhi salam, Abraham, the patriarch.

00:17:42.820 And then it started getting more toxic.

00:17:44.900 And then you came and Tommy came and boom, it exploded.

00:17:48.640 And you guys tarnished it for me because suddenly I'm the public enemy number one as well.

00:17:53.060 In fairness.

00:17:53.720 I'm sorry, but look, we ended up accidentally exposing what it actually was.

00:17:58.500 Go on.

00:17:59.180 But more than that, you actually, you were ahead of the curve.

00:18:03.060 I remember one time there was a guy there called, what was his name?

00:18:06.800 Abu Ismail?

00:18:08.280 I've forgotten his name.

00:18:09.620 But an extremist.

00:18:12.160 And every time he saw me, I mean, this guy looked big.

00:18:15.060 He looked like he was, I mean, he definitely was.

00:18:18.020 He was lifting.

00:18:19.300 He was a fighter.

00:18:20.520 When Tommy came, you'll remember him.

00:18:22.120 He was the guy that had the chain, the metal in his gloves.

00:18:26.000 Like there was a whole thing about him.

00:18:27.480 I vaguely remember this, yeah.

00:18:29.620 I think maybe it was something Al-Farsi.

00:18:32.820 Maybe Abu Ismail Al-Farsi, the Persian.

00:18:36.840 Oh, he's a Persian.

00:18:38.280 He was a Shia.

00:18:38.940 Every time he's, yeah.

00:18:40.340 I know he was, he was a Shia that apostated to someone.

00:18:44.500 Oh, okay, okay.

00:18:45.200 Oh, wait.

00:18:46.760 So, they're always the most fun, the reverts.

00:18:50.680 Yeah.

00:18:51.280 Well, I was going to get to that with you in a second, but go on.

00:18:54.820 And so, the, so this guy, every time he saw a big hug, Yusuf, I love you, Habibi, he was

00:19:02.860 incredible.

00:19:03.720 And then one time I noticed a comment under one of my videos, and he'd forgotten he'd

00:19:08.800 given me his Islamic name.

00:19:10.580 Because he obviously had his normal name, and then he had his jihadi name.

00:19:13.600 And it was like, Zionist, your days are coming.

00:19:15.960 And I was like, bro, you told me this is your name.

00:19:18.880 I know who it is.

00:19:19.760 You snake your hugs and kisses in the park.

00:19:23.020 Wow.

00:19:23.300 Kiss on each cheek, Habibi.

00:19:25.400 And then online, you're sending me death threats.

00:19:28.140 And so, you saw the reality that optimists like me were unable to differentiate.

00:19:34.140 Because I fell into the trap that most liberals fell into.

00:19:38.520 And I'd say Tommy Robinson fell into the other camp.

00:19:40.720 Maybe you're a bit the other way.

00:19:42.000 So, I would cluster all Muslims together and say we can make peace with all of them.

00:19:46.220 They're all the same.

00:19:46.960 It's just this big homogenous block of Muslims that if only you speak to them correctly,

00:19:51.280 they'll see it beyond their bigotry, their prejudice, and they'll be your best friend.

00:19:56.940 And I'd say on the other side, the activists who were on the count of the jihad side,

00:20:01.860 they did the same, but we can't make peace with anyone, any of them.

00:20:05.740 And in between was the reality.

00:20:07.520 So, say someone like Tommy.

00:20:09.220 I think one of the reasons why Tommy is toxic to the Jewish community today,

00:20:12.780 because I have a similar background.

00:20:14.880 I'm from a working class community in the north of England.

00:20:17.500 He's from a working class community in the south.

00:20:21.540 And he said things that if someone said them about Jews, it was beyond the pale.

00:20:25.840 I remember one time he tweeted, he called Muslims musrats.

00:20:28.720 But this is a working class football casual.

00:20:32.220 And so, he's not going to be as eloquent.

00:20:33.580 Maybe he's not going to be as sophisticated and nuanced in his thinking as a kid as he would be as an adult.

00:20:39.520 And I think the Jewish community falls into the trap of viewing him by maybe things he said 20 years ago,

00:20:45.280 rather than what he's saying today.

00:20:47.940 And I think that's the disconnect there.

00:20:50.340 And to bring it back to us in Speaker's Corner,

00:20:53.440 I think people like you and Tommy were just, okay, this is a problem.

00:20:56.980 This is Islam.

00:20:57.620 Everyone's the same.

00:20:58.720 And I was like, no, guys, you're wrong.

00:21:00.700 Muslims are lovely.

00:21:01.900 You just have to speak to them correctly.

00:21:03.760 And the truth was in between the two.

00:21:05.480 There's some, the Islamist extremists.

00:21:07.560 I don't like the term Islamist.

00:21:08.820 They don't use it.

00:21:09.520 We use it.

00:21:10.960 But the extremists.

00:21:12.040 Honestly, it's just a way to get around censorship, to be fair.

00:21:16.300 Completely, completely.

00:21:17.320 It's a word that describes Muslims that I don't like.

00:21:21.080 And you cannot define one because is it a Muslim that supports the caliphate?

00:21:24.840 Well, all Muslims support the caliphate in theory.

00:21:27.080 Is it a Muslim that wants to follow Sharia?

00:21:29.020 Well, all Muslims should be following Sharia.

00:21:30.580 Well, to me, it's just a Muslim that is not willing to ignore the parts of his faith,

00:21:35.740 which are obviously abhorrent.

00:21:39.300 So he's willing.

00:21:41.480 Look, and that's the argument that Tommy Robinson has always made.

00:21:44.560 It's like, you can be a good Muslim.

00:21:47.840 It just means you're not a real Muslim.

00:21:49.820 Like, you're not actually practicing what it's telling you or what it says in the scripture.

00:21:54.100 And I know that the scripture itself is so contradicting, like probably most scriptures.

00:21:58.560 The difference is that there are so many more of them that act out on it.

00:22:02.500 But this goes back to that conversation that we said before, that there is clearly a progressive

00:22:07.500 part of the Muslim community that is willing to ignore the hateful parts towards us

00:22:13.980 and want to build, you know, build bridges and, you know, want to focus on the good parts

00:22:21.660 of the Quran that talk about the people of the book, not the ones that's telling them

00:22:26.400 to kill us.

00:22:27.140 So I guess you have that in any faith, but it's a bit more pronounced in Islam just because

00:22:33.040 it's so blatant.

00:22:34.500 And it's probably, like people ask me, why do they hate us?

00:22:37.340 And I'm like, it's probably also chronological.

00:22:39.020 Like we had, in the Torah, like who do we hate?

00:22:42.400 A malik.

00:22:43.100 But they never existed after us.

00:22:44.960 They were always before us.

00:22:46.320 So if there was a malik today, would some nutcase settler groups want to actually hunt and kill

00:22:52.980 them?

00:22:53.500 100%.

00:22:53.980 If we knew that, like any ultra-Orthodox would want to kill them.

00:22:57.720 That would be, it's written in the Torah.

00:23:01.180 So chronologically, the Muslims came last.

00:23:03.960 Islam came last.

00:23:04.760 And their enemy was us as Jews.

00:23:07.280 We just still exist.

00:23:08.800 So the hate is still there.

00:23:10.060 I can understand that.

00:23:12.380 Yeah, completely.

00:23:13.340 And it's more than that.

00:23:14.720 It's, imagine if the Jewish religion depended on a malik recognizing their religion.

00:23:22.360 It would be even more so.

00:23:23.540 So the issue we face is Islam.

00:23:25.580 And it was the same with Christianity, truthfully.

00:23:27.720 You struggle to find anti-Semitism in lands that weren't Christian or Muslim.

00:23:33.100 And though, where you do find it, they were influenced by Christian and Muslim anti-Semitism.

00:23:37.960 And the reason for that is, the Jews rejected Jesus as the Messiah.

00:23:42.000 Yeah.

00:23:42.220 So that was a problem for some Christians historically.

00:23:44.660 There we were accused of killing Christ, killing God.

00:23:48.120 That's a major, a major charge.

00:23:51.620 And in Islam, we rejected Muhammad as the prophet.

00:23:55.720 We, to this day, we say Musa as a Rasul.

00:23:58.660 We say Moses as a messenger, but not Muhammad.

00:24:01.120 And so the rejection, and with Islam, it's even more.

00:24:05.400 If Islam says it came to affirm the Jewish tradition, it came to affirm what Moses said,

00:24:11.060 it came to affirm Judaism.

00:24:13.280 And the Jews rejected, and that causes resentment and anti-Semitism.

00:24:18.200 And so, yeah, you're absolutely right.

00:24:20.520 We would have a very different relationship to religions that came after us that we were born out of if those religions existed today.

00:24:31.460 But they don't.

00:24:32.220 Those people don't exist.

00:24:33.920 And so we don't suffer that same problem.

00:24:35.840 I would say when it comes to violent sentiment in scripture, you can make the same arguments against the Torah and the Old Testament that you could make against the Quran.

00:24:51.700 But our escape from that is that the people it's talking about no longer exist.

00:24:58.820 No longer, but that's exactly what I just said.

00:25:00.580 Which is what you were saying.

00:25:00.940 They just no longer exist.

00:25:01.800 I know for sure if there was still Amalek today, which is why the Islamic community was so smart in jumping on the Amalek comment from Bibi Netanyahu,

00:25:21.920 because they just wanted to tie that genocidal kind of language from the Torah to the aftermath of October 7.

00:25:30.900 So I think it goes over most people's heads.

00:25:34.960 But anyone that knows, knows.

00:25:37.260 Yeah.

00:25:38.120 Yeah.

00:25:38.500 And also, though, knowing the context matters as well, because the way I view words like Amalek and Edom are almost like the way that when Chazal use these terms today, when Jews use these terms today, we use them in the same way that liberals use the term Nazi.

00:26:00.900 How many times is someone that's described as a Nazi actually a Nazi?

00:26:05.960 Yeah.

00:26:06.220 And with the Nazis, like we had the biggest war that the West has ever experienced to end this regime.

00:26:13.940 When you call someone a Nazi because they're eating meat, do you really want to end them in the same way?

00:26:20.460 Do you want the carpet bomb dressed?

00:26:22.440 Being on the receiving end in real life of the people chanting Nazi, I wouldn't be surprised, especially after what I've seen in the last couple of years, I wouldn't be surprised if they would want to see a similar end to me in the way that the Nazis, what the Nazis did and how we dealt with the Nazis at the end of it.

00:26:45.540 But let me ask you, so you were saying in that period so that I did see you, because I was thinking about this with my brother.

00:26:51.040 My brother's a massive fan of yours.

00:26:53.880 Less of mine, more of yours.

00:26:55.620 My brother.

00:26:56.400 And we were talking about it.

00:26:58.220 And I go to him, I really wonder, so now it's interesting because you told me the progression for you, going from a liberal to somebody, from a liberal to a realist.

00:27:10.640 Where were you in that period that, so that day on Speaker's Corner, I don't know if you remember it, but that day on Speaker's Corner, do you remember being there?

00:27:18.980 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:27:19.680 I remember it.

00:27:20.360 I remember it well.

00:27:21.660 So that day on Speaker's Corner, where were you on your journey?

00:27:25.000 And how did you view that?

00:27:26.660 How were you used to, because you didn't get involved in the conversation.

00:27:29.200 You said hi to me and you said hi to me a couple of times.

00:27:31.740 Like in that period, I was coming to London, to England a lot.

00:27:36.980 So every time I did see you, you came and said hi and whatever.

00:27:39.480 But I really want to know how you actually viewed what was happening.

00:27:45.400 How I perceived you, how I perceived Tommy.

00:27:47.580 Not just me.

00:27:48.100 And what was going on at that time was, I recognized there is a real threat of jihad.

00:27:58.600 There's a very, I mean, Muslims, extremists have been killing Jews for a long time.

00:28:05.180 And you have to be naive to not recognize that.

00:28:08.880 But I thought some people would take it.

00:28:12.520 So I recognize that Muhammad Hijab, Ali Dawah, at that point, I thought we could still work with them.

00:28:22.400 So I remember at one point there was a call to ban prayer at Speaker's Corner because you're not allowed to pray in public.

00:28:30.260 And I was going to gather a minion of 10 Jews to pray in support of the Muslims being able to pray there.

00:28:37.580 Because I thought that was a violation of freedom of speech.

00:28:40.600 With hindsight, I recognize that was a strategy of dominance rather than, and as a minority, as a much smaller minority.

00:28:48.760 Which is what the argument was from the Tommy camp.

00:28:52.560 Yeah, exactly.

00:28:53.280 And if I'd have brought an army of 10 Jews to pray next to the Muslims, all we would have been doing was propping up and supporting an assertion of Islamic dominance in Speaker's Corner, which would have been a naive thing to do.

00:29:06.840 So I definitely made mistakes.

00:29:08.800 But likewise, I think you guys made mistakes as well, which is why we recognize the value that we were both bringing.

00:29:16.120 But at the time, we didn't really work together so much because I would, Tommy's the best example.

00:29:23.640 I think Tommy has done more to combat, and I've been saying, I've been saying this for years.

00:29:28.960 It's not opposed to Elon or Trump.

00:29:31.140 Tommy did more than anyone else in the UK to combat the grooming gangs.

00:29:34.720 When they were coming over with the bodies of dead British soldiers, it was Tommy that was jumping over the barrier and giving Arnold Juharun a slap.

00:29:43.020 But yeah, and so for me, Tommy, I always said he did a lot of good, but then he'd always go too far.

00:29:49.500 And I think the counter-jihad side would take it too far, and the liberals wouldn't take it far enough.

00:29:58.200 And so I would mistake enemies as friends, and I wouldn't be able to differentiate between a more moderate, in terms of their political outlook, a more moderate Muslim, and one who would stab me in the back, giving half the chance.

00:30:16.460 And it's not just you, I think the examples are far more, and not even just the Jewish community, I think it's far-reaching.

00:30:22.140 You look at even social media platforms, they listen to people like Muhammad Hijab and Ali Dawah in their campaigns to have people like Tommy Robinson kicked off.

00:30:31.060 And then fast forward to October 7th, they were preaching far worse, and still till today, their content is far more direct, dangerous, hateful, all of that, than Tommy ever was.

00:30:46.300 Tommy was probably, I think, Tommy didn't try to dress it up as anything.

00:30:51.780 He would, yeah, probably the worst part of it is, and it's something that I can recognise in myself as well, is back then, is just kind of say it in the most outrageous way, just to say it in the most outrageous way.

00:31:03.280 Whereas today, you can actually just have, but that means the conversation ends there.

00:31:07.420 You can't actually go further than that, because already the person is super defensive, because you've just called them essentially a name, right?

00:31:14.400 But what they do is, I feel, is far more dangerous, because they don't dress it up as anything.

00:31:20.260 They pretend like they're actually, you know, good, decent, moral people, but they're actually, when you're listening to what they're saying, it is far more insightful.

00:31:32.200 They're inciting people in a far more dangerous way than Tommy ever did, and they were still, not only did they never lose any platforms, they were paid to do it.

00:31:41.400 Like, if you look on YouTube and that, these guys made big money while they were the leaders and the Jewish community got behind their campaigns to, to basically de-platform people like Tommy Robinson, who I feel in all this period of time, think what you want about Tommy Robinson, he's been the most consistent.

00:32:01.400 Yeah, I would agree.

00:32:03.020 Actually, no, I don't think he's been consistent.

00:32:04.780 I do think he's matured.

00:32:06.260 No, no, no, but I think he's probably, I think the, true, but you can say that about me.

00:32:12.200 I, maturing doesn't, he didn't change his fundamental beliefs.

00:32:16.300 You look at so many people in this space and you see, you know, the best example is like the Christian, the, the Christ is King group of fake Christians, not like the real Christians that are actually our friends.

00:32:27.020 I'm talking about the ones that, you know, publicly go and baptize and suddenly, and then the next day they're, they're full-blown anti-Semites.

00:32:33.840 Those guys, um, if you look at them five years ago, like Candace Owens is a great example.

00:32:38.900 You look at her, uh, 2017, when, when, when, when did they move the embassy to Jerusalem?

00:32:45.780 Was it 2017?

00:32:47.900 Let's say yes.

00:32:48.740 Yeah, it was around 2017, 2018, it was around then, right?

00:32:52.500 And she was there, part of it, championing it, making all the, doing all the talking points against herself, Candace Owens today, right?

00:33:00.780 All the same talking, nothing changed, but she shifted her political views because it suited her, right?

00:33:09.740 It suited whatever her grift was.

00:33:11.780 Whereas when you look at somebody like Tommy Robinson, I always knew it when I spoke to him and I was friends with him because I could see it was, he was, he had every reason to turn against the Jewish community.

00:33:22.000 The Jewish establishment did not, they, they can, they called the police on him at one point at the rally in London and since October 7th, they literally called the police on him.

00:33:33.680 So that guy had more incentive to turn on the Jewish community than anyone, but didn't because his ideology was always consistent.

00:33:42.440 His delivery has changed and matured, but I think his ideology, his belief in what he witnessed happen in Luton was always the same problem.

00:33:53.380 He's always pinpointed the same problem.

00:33:57.080 So I, I'd agree.

00:33:57.920 There's definitely a lot of consistency there.

00:34:00.740 I think most people, so I think Candace turned on the Jews when the Jews called out, I think the first thing she made, she went to the UK and she made a conversation,

00:34:11.320 so a faux pas, when somebody asked her, should they rebrand nationalism?

00:34:17.520 And she said that the Austrian painter is the right, call him, the far right, the Austrian painter was a nationalist.

00:34:26.360 And if it wasn't a nationalist, he was an internationalist.

00:34:29.160 If he hadn't invaded other countries, it would have been fine.

00:34:32.600 And so Jews took on bridge and said, well, well, like you kind of killed 6 million of us.

00:34:37.260 And that's a, that's a bad thing.

00:34:38.860 Yeah.

00:34:39.460 And that was the start of her journey.

00:34:41.940 So when the Jews, Jewish community said, you can't say that, her response was gradually to get more and more anti-Semitic.

00:34:50.540 Whereas Tommy, I think you're absolutely right.

00:34:53.020 The Jewish community has not been a friend of his, but he has been a friend of the Jewish community.

00:34:57.540 And he's been absolutely consistent in that.

00:35:01.080 And I'd be interested to know if he's changed in respect to how he views Muslims, because I can remember him going to Manchester and looking around and saying, every one of these people are enemy combatants.

00:35:16.780 Would he still feel that way?

00:35:19.480 We live in Israel.

00:35:20.640 I live in Israel.

00:35:21.340 And there are Muslims that sacrifice their lives to keep my family safe in the IDF.

00:35:28.340 When they joined the IDF, they swearing on the Quran.

00:35:31.820 And there's, he's definitely been consistent, Tommy, with his view of the Jewish community, with his view of radical Islam, with his view of extremism within the Muslim community in the UK, with his view on the demography and how changing demographics impacts the indigenous population.

00:35:51.080 I think all of that he's been consistent with.

00:35:53.720 My question would be, has his view of Muslims matured?

00:35:59.040 Or would he still view everybody living in a Muslim neighborhood in Manchester or wherever as an enemy combatant?

00:36:07.120 And that's...

00:36:07.960 I think that's...

00:36:08.620 Honestly, even back then, I thought it's often was hyperbole.

00:36:12.700 It was just like a way of delivering a message saying, if you actually believe this, then you are an enemy combatant because you're believing this scripture that says that.

00:36:20.640 But I don't...

00:36:21.400 I think, like, I was around him enough on the streets day to day to see anyone would come up to him.

00:36:27.940 So many Muslim lads would come up to him for photos and, you know, they weren't even necessarily fans.

00:36:32.960 They just wanted to, like, show the boys in the WhatsApp group, look, I've got Tommy Robinson on a photo and he would make a video for him.

00:36:38.820 Like, he wasn't...

00:36:41.340 It's not like a blind hate for a person.

00:36:44.280 It was always...

00:36:45.940 When I say consistent, it was always about the threat, the threat that's underlying everything.

00:36:51.460 And that if we can't actually talk about it, even with this person in front of me, then that's a problem.

00:36:57.520 Do you...

00:36:58.220 So going back to that day, so how did you view...

00:37:01.220 Because you were watching that interaction, which I'm super embarrassed about, right?

00:37:06.780 How did it look from your...

00:37:08.260 My view is very simple.

00:37:09.720 From my view, I love seeing brave Jews, particularly in Chutzler.

00:37:15.740 In Israel, there's no shortage of Jewish heroes.

00:37:18.520 You walk down the street here and you recognize that this is a nation of warriors.

00:37:22.760 A nation of warriors.

00:37:23.980 Yeah.

00:37:24.080 On my street, I live on one road, two people have fallen in the war.

00:37:28.440 Yeah.

00:37:28.660 And I'm not...

00:37:29.840 I'm just in an ordinary street.

00:37:31.520 You walk down and there's people who've been trained to defend our people.

00:37:35.700 Yeah.

00:37:35.940 Armed and totally willing to sacrifice their lives to save their neighbors, their families.

00:37:43.660 And that fills you with real pride.

00:37:45.980 This is...

00:37:46.820 The Jew of today, certainly here, is brave.

00:37:50.580 But the Jew of Chutzler, the Jew outside of Israel, they're terrified.

00:37:57.020 And so when you see a Jew that goes and confronts those that speak out against our people, and

00:38:04.120 proudly does so with the kippah.

00:38:05.740 Remember you wore kippah when you went there to speak as kippah?

00:38:07.720 I used to wear it.

00:38:08.680 Mashallah, brother.

00:38:10.560 I used to wear a dafka because they used to call me a Nazi.

00:38:13.560 That was my prop.

00:38:16.140 It was my prop that the only people that were offended by it were liberal Jews.

00:38:19.280 Because every orthodox Jew I knew were just happy that I wasn't walking for Amos without it.

00:38:24.200 They didn't care why.

00:38:27.420 And so for me, I saw that as positive.

00:38:30.420 I would have disagreed, or I did disagree with the delivery.

00:38:34.160 But the action itself, nothing but respect for...

00:38:38.380 But if you're quiet...

00:38:39.640 No, no.

00:38:40.040 I get that.

00:38:40.760 I'm genuinely intrigued.

00:38:42.280 Because I know I look back at it, and I wish I had the chance again to do it in a much,

00:38:47.000 much calm way.

00:38:47.660 Because I think the best antidote to that group is actually staying calm.

00:38:54.300 Actually being cool.

00:38:55.200 Not falling into their escalation.

00:38:57.600 Let them look like the nutcases, where I almost fell into it.

00:39:00.120 I know it's hard, like when you look at the video, it's hard to see that you're actually

00:39:03.240 just surrounded by a mob of them, and like the adrenaline dump you get, and like this

00:39:08.940 guy is towering over you.

00:39:10.480 But put that all aside, like I would have loved to be...

00:39:12.960 I never did that.

00:39:13.980 Like I was never consciously calm in any kind of interaction.

00:39:17.440 So that's what I regret, is not being calm.

00:39:20.940 But if we apply what you're saying, I understand what you're saying, but if you apply that to

00:39:26.600 someone like Rabbi Shmuley, I look at that, and I think that guy generates anti-Semitism.

00:39:34.520 But if I'm applying your logic now, you would say, well, no, he's actually...

00:39:39.280 This guy's so brave.

00:39:40.240 He's walking up, and he's literally picking fights with innocent people, but he's also

00:39:43.520 picking fights with genuine anti-Semites.

00:39:45.740 It's too bad at the end of their interaction.

00:39:48.220 I sometimes, like even with Candace Owens, I watch it, and I think, gosh, I can feel myself

00:39:52.840 siding with her.

00:39:54.380 So I can't imagine somebody who doesn't feel strongly about this issue not being a bit

00:40:00.180 persuaded by her position.

00:40:01.320 So I don't know if necessarily that logic would follow through there.

00:40:05.660 How does it?

00:40:06.780 Like, do you think Rabbi Shmuley is a good example of somebody that's brave in Chutzlaire

00:40:12.140 that you'd be proud of?

00:40:13.420 So I think with any activism, you have to know who your target audience is and the message

00:40:19.900 that will resonate.

00:40:21.520 And so your audience, when you were confronting Ali Dawah, wasn't Ali Dawah.

00:40:29.680 It wasn't the Muslims, the Speaker's Corner.

00:40:32.720 You were speaking to working class, or not even working class, just British people, Australian

00:40:38.060 people, ordinary Western people.

00:40:40.560 And so the message that you were saying will have resonated.

00:40:44.400 It did resonate.

00:40:45.100 That's why you grew in popularity in the way that you did.

00:40:47.340 It's why Tommy exploded.

00:40:49.740 The way you described it was you need to be hyperbolic to get that momentum.

00:40:55.700 But that's because you understood which message would resonate with the target audience.

00:41:02.040 I think, and I don't like to speak ill of another Jew, so I'm not going to speak ill of Rabbi

00:41:07.480 Butteik.

00:41:08.260 But I think one of the tropes he falls into is he's speaking to an audience that doesn't

00:41:14.840 exist anymore.

00:41:16.620 And so you see him when he's on with Piers Morgan.

00:41:19.000 What audience would that, what he's doing?

00:41:22.220 Liberals from the 90s.

00:41:24.700 Liberals from the 90s.

00:41:26.020 So when he's speaking to Muhammad Hijab, and Muhammad Hijab's going hard at him, Rabbi

00:41:31.360 Butteik's complimenting Islam, complimenting Muslims, and his message isn't going to land

00:41:37.680 with anyone on the left.

00:41:39.300 His message isn't going to land with any ordinary Americans.

00:41:41.860 His message isn't going to land with the Jewish community, and it isn't going to land

00:41:45.480 with the Muslim community.

00:41:46.940 So it's about understanding who your target audience is.

00:41:49.520 So with the content I make, I've got two audiences.

00:41:52.220 One are Jews.

00:41:53.220 Jews like to see, or Zionists, not just Zionists, people who like Israel, because they like to

00:41:58.060 see someone who can hold their ground in these conversations.

00:42:02.780 They find it inspiring, uplifting.

00:42:05.260 And the second audience for me is Muslims.

00:42:07.620 So I'm very careful.

00:42:08.900 I've got a video going on at the moment, spoiler alert, but I approach Muslims and I say, I've

00:42:16.800 heard this beautiful line from the Quran.

00:42:19.520 Can I sing it for you?

00:42:21.920 And they're like, yeah.

00:42:23.300 And so I sing the verse and I say, can you tell me what the words are?

00:42:27.640 It sounds so heavenly and beautiful.

00:42:30.300 And the verse I sing to them is, when you meet the kuffar, strike the neck, which is

00:42:37.420 like a very problematic.

00:42:38.820 And I'm doing that to highlight, as you were saying, how do Jews, how do Muslims interpret

00:42:45.520 problematic scripture?

00:42:48.540 And so what I'm hoping for in this exchange, I haven't finished it yet because I'm going

00:42:51.860 out and I kind of have an idea of how people are going to respond.

00:42:54.480 I'm hoping I encounter one sheikh, one knowledgeable Muslim who's able to give a very good answer.

00:42:59.320 You're going out physically or you mean online?

00:43:02.460 Just on these web chats, on these video chats.

00:43:06.360 And so there actually are some knowledgeable Muslims on there.

00:43:10.160 But with that, you've got to be, for me, I've got to be very careful how I present that

00:43:14.480 message because I don't want to alienate Muslims.

00:43:16.540 I want to show them, here's why Jews have a problem with this scripture.

00:43:19.620 And here's a way that you, as a Muslim, listening to this wise sheikh, can reconcile this verse

00:43:25.840 with the Jewish community today.

00:43:28.740 And so you have to know who your audience are.

00:43:31.300 You have to, and maybe someone like Rabbi Batek, he's speaking to an audience that doesn't

00:43:35.920 exist anymore.

00:43:37.620 That would be the polite way I would try and deal with.

00:43:40.500 That is a very polite way.

00:43:41.840 I can tell you right now, if I came across him, I would probably, I know I say that I

00:43:47.860 would go in calmly, that's the new me compared to 2017, but I think with Shmuley Batek, I

00:43:54.780 would probably get a little bit riled up.

00:43:56.820 He was doing a tour here only a few weeks ago for the Jewish community.

00:44:02.440 He started in Sydney, uh, of how the irony of the, of this tour, it was called, um, how,

00:44:10.840 how to, uh, how to combat antisemitism effectively.

00:44:16.600 And I'm just, you're giving that because Bate, unless you're getting up on a stage and saying,

00:44:22.300 do everything the opposite to what I do, there's nothing you could teach us.

00:44:28.060 And, and, you know, it became quite clear that nobody in Australia was seeing, he got

00:44:31.740 booed out of synagogues and he, he never ended up coming to Melbourne because I was,

00:44:36.120 I was planning to have a chat to him when he got to Melbourne.

00:44:39.520 And when I, when I saw that all got kind of canceled, fizzled out and canceled, I emailed

00:44:43.860 him, but he hasn't gone back to me.

00:44:45.180 I just, I, I just, to me, I feel like there's so many times, even me as just one content creator

00:44:52.200 that actually lands on the streets.

00:44:53.640 I feel like I'm picking up the pieces of someone like that.

00:44:56.740 And I've never, I've never experienced that before.

00:44:58.980 There's, of course, there's lefty Jews that I disagree with most of their politics on most

00:45:02.620 issues and on Israel, we somewhat agree, you know, to varying degrees, especially since

00:45:08.660 October 7, I think everyone's sort of shifted to a, to a place where we can mostly agree

00:45:14.460 outside of Israel.

00:45:15.500 I know in Israel, there's more politics.

00:45:17.740 Uh, you know, I got one brother that goes to anti-BB protests and my mom goes to pro-BB

00:45:21.940 protest, but outside of Israel, like we don't even really, it's not really about whether

00:45:26.260 Bibi not Bibi, it's about finishing this war.

00:45:29.720 Um, what was I about to, um, ask you?

00:45:35.080 I wanted to ask you more about the British establishment, the Jewish community establishment

00:45:39.620 there.

00:45:40.440 How we, cause I always looked at you as like a British Jew and obviously now you've moved.

00:45:45.480 I think most people still perceive you as that in, in a way, what was your relationship

00:45:51.840 with the Jewish community in, in, in Britain?

00:45:55.620 So with the Jewish establishment, the Jewish community I'm part of, I was part of, um, I'm

00:46:01.520 a synagogue attending, lived in the Jewish community, relatively well known.

00:46:07.420 With the establishment, there was a, almost a bit of a Tommy thing.

00:46:10.660 Um, so I think one of the reasons the British establishment has rejected Tommy, but accepted

00:46:16.220 someone like Douglas Murray is class.

00:46:18.640 Douglas Murray says the same thing in a posh accent.

00:46:21.600 They're friends, but that's the funniest part to it.

00:46:24.300 Like they were always friends back then.

00:46:25.900 They were saying exactly the same thing.

00:46:27.480 One did it in a posh accent.

00:46:29.420 One said Musrat.

00:46:31.140 Yeah.

00:46:31.740 And, and I think that's one of the, the, the, I think I saw for the same, the Jewish

00:46:36.280 establishment is, they tend to, uh, come from a similar, similar, um, pool of people.

00:46:43.000 And I wasn't in that pool.

00:46:44.100 I was raised in a working class village in the North of England.

00:46:46.680 I was raised on marks and angles.

00:46:48.480 We put marks on our conflicts in the morning, um, very different experience.

00:46:52.700 Um, didn't go to university, very rough around the edges.

00:46:55.600 I was on the street campaigning against jihadis while they were trying to knock on the doors

00:47:01.720 of Whitehall to, to, to, to make a change.

00:47:03.920 And so the Jewish establishment never accepted me.

00:47:07.060 Um, I was invited and I still am invited to their, to their, their annual meeting.

00:47:12.580 They have regular meetings to discuss how we approach certain strategies with, with anti-Zionism,

00:47:18.100 anti-Semitism in the UK.

00:47:19.300 Cause I've been, I've been around a while.

00:47:20.800 I founded the campaign against anti-Semitism.

00:47:22.940 I founded the Israel advocacy movement.

00:47:24.900 Um, so I've like set up serial organizations that have gone on to do good things in the Jewish

00:47:29.480 community.

00:47:30.060 So the campaign against anti-Semitism, that organization, you were part of founding that.

00:47:34.560 Is that what you said?

00:47:34.940 I founded it.

00:47:35.780 Yeah.

00:47:36.100 Yeah.

00:47:36.320 You found it?

00:47:36.580 Yeah.

00:47:36.860 Oh, that's the, because that's the organization that ended up kicking Tommy or calling the police

00:47:41.240 on Tommy, isn't it?

00:47:42.680 So you're friends.

00:47:43.200 Yes, that is the very, are you friends with the guys that run that or not?

00:47:46.920 I'm friends with the guys that run them.

00:47:48.960 Um, I'm friends with like most organizations, but particularly that one, cause I founded it,

00:47:54.220 but I have nothing to do with this and had nothing to do with the.

00:47:57.620 No, no, no, I know, but I'm just, I just wonder if.

00:48:00.060 Do they regret, like they realize what they did that day was wrong?

00:48:04.640 Or do they, do you think they stand by it?

00:48:07.380 I, I can't speak for them personally.

00:48:10.120 I think they made a mistake if they were the ones that I don't know if they were the ones

00:48:13.620 that called the police, but if they were, um, I'd say that, that I'd say that would

00:48:19.680 be, I mean, I don't know how much I trust the police.

00:48:21.860 Yeah, yeah, that's fine.

00:48:23.280 If it wasn't then, then you would think they would say they didn't, but they didn't, they

00:48:26.700 never.

00:48:27.200 Well, I would, if it was the campaign, I'd say that was a mistake.

00:48:31.160 I think if you have an issue with Tommy or his message and you're a Jew in the UK, just

00:48:35.660 don't ignore it.

00:48:36.380 Don't make an enemy of someone that's a friend.

00:48:38.300 Don't make an enemy of someone that's a friend.

00:48:39.720 If someone's showing up to your march to express solidarity with your cause in terms of there

00:48:44.980 is rising antisemitism in the UK, if you don't want them there, fine, but don't, don't make

00:48:51.280 an enemy of them.

00:48:52.040 I think it was a stupid mistake.

00:48:53.520 If, if, if it was, then they did that.

00:48:55.460 But especially today when there is clearly grassroots support today compared to a few

00:49:00.520 years ago, there is clearly grassroots support for Tommy Robinson within the Jewish community.

00:49:04.680 There's always been grassroots support for Tommy Robinson in the Jewish community.

00:49:08.380 The Jewish establishment and the Jewish community are two very different functions.

00:49:12.460 And the campaign against antisemitism was actually a disruptor that these Jewish, the Jewish

00:49:16.080 establishment don't necessarily see it as an integral path.

00:49:20.500 But many of the, so my issue with the Jewish establishment is most people that are involved

00:49:26.520 at the higher levels are more interested.

00:49:29.040 And by the way, just to clarify, I'm pretty sure I remember them putting a statement against

00:49:33.580 Tommy Robinson coming on X at the time.

00:49:36.340 Because that became, what's that, what's that, the British guy that lives in Israel that was

00:49:42.640 friends with Tommy, man, I know him.

00:49:45.060 Brian of London.

00:49:45.920 Brian of London.

00:49:46.680 Yeah.

00:49:46.920 I remember him fighting with them publicly on, on, on X.

00:49:51.400 Anyways.

00:49:51.720 Yeah.

00:49:52.120 So, so, so I'm, I can almost a hundred percent sure.

00:49:56.340 And I know where the temptation comes from to do that.

00:49:59.760 And it's, yeah.

00:50:00.940 So the, the establishment, I just, I think that the Jewish establishment is like at that

00:50:05.820 level is most interested in, and it's sensible is making sure that their values align with

00:50:11.720 the, with the government, with the, because as a minority, you don't want to be in opposition

00:50:18.360 to whatever the zeitgeist is, whatever the government is.

00:50:21.580 And so the government has always been very hostile, be it a right wing or left wing government

00:50:25.460 to Tommy Robinson.

00:50:27.140 And so I think most in leadership positions in the Jewish community see it as dangerous

00:50:34.300 to align themselves with that.

00:50:35.580 And you kind of see that, you see that you saw in the, the, the riots recently, they just

00:50:42.420 a two tier policing.

00:50:43.480 Anyone that so much as sneezed at one of those protests got a six year jail sentence.

00:50:49.280 Yeah.

00:50:49.680 And so there is a level of toxicity, which is a minority.

00:50:52.280 But then the gangs of Muslims with big bats were told to just put down your weapon.

00:50:55.920 Yeah.

00:50:56.500 Yeah.

00:50:56.740 Yeah.

00:50:57.180 Yeah.

00:50:57.600 Yeah.

00:50:58.120 Yeah.

00:50:58.340 What was it where they said, yeah, put your, leave your weapons in the mosque.

00:51:01.980 Was it?

00:51:02.280 I can't remember.

00:51:02.840 It was like some insanity.

00:51:04.580 It's insane.

00:51:05.960 Yeah.

00:51:06.400 And so I think the Jewish leadership is very fearful of associating with anything toxic.

00:51:16.860 And I think rightly or wrongly, most, a huge section of Britons, particularly those of the

00:51:25.580 more educated classes, see Tommy as a racist.

00:51:31.660 He's not a racist.

00:51:32.580 I mean, you could say he's got prejudices against Muslims, but I think it's hard to say

00:51:36.380 he's a racist when some of his best friends are, as an example, the darker skinned Jew.

00:51:42.520 He's literally like, I know people say that, like I have a friend, but he's genuinely the

00:51:48.180 least racist guy.

00:51:49.480 And it's like, and the funny thing is, he knows, like, I talk about a lot of my podcasts

00:51:54.760 at the moment because it's, because this has become the conversation since October 7th,

00:51:58.060 but like my own stepkids are Muslims and Tommy's always known as well.

00:52:02.720 Like he's, he does not, it's not an issue about the person as an ethnicity, which is what

00:52:08.520 essentially defines you as that racist.

00:52:10.300 He has a problem with the ideology and all those things that you mentioned before, what

00:52:14.500 it's doing to the demographic and all that.

00:52:17.580 You're what, what we call a baltruva, I think in the, in the Jewish community.

00:52:22.500 And, and, and what I find interesting is when you talk to Muslims about Islam, you're, I

00:52:31.260 can see you actually are seriously knowledgeable on intricate parts and specific, you've clearly

00:52:37.680 like studied up and honed in on certain points so that you can discuss them in it from an

00:52:44.480 educated perspective.

00:52:45.200 But what I do know, notice is that when you talk like Arabic or even Hebrew, I can hear

00:52:51.020 that you're, um, like about somebody that didn't come from speaking in that tongue.

00:52:57.620 Your Hebrew is, uh, and I, and, and I can even, I can even, um, resonate with the Muslims

00:53:05.060 that I see you sometimes debating online where they're like, they're so confused because

00:53:10.860 well, first you've got big Zionists, then you're, you're, you're reading or you're reciting

00:53:15.620 by, by heart, a part of the Quran, which they know is true.

00:53:19.620 They couldn't recite it, but you've got this little twang in your accent, which doesn't

00:53:24.160 really make sense.

00:53:26.160 Um, how did you, so how did you go firstly to become a religious Jew, then educating yourself

00:53:32.260 on that and then going to study Islam to be able to actually debate it to a point where

00:53:41.740 you're actually reciting the Quran by heart?

00:53:43.780 And did the first part help you get to the second part?

00:53:46.800 Um, yeah.

00:53:47.620 So my journey is like, I think I was a, I was an early adopter of wokeism.

00:53:54.260 And so our, we were, our only Jewish identity was antisemitism.

00:54:01.000 My father couldn't tell you the difference between a Hasidic Jew and a reformed Jew.

00:54:05.240 Yeah.

00:54:05.480 But the national front, um, still, which is a neo-Nazi organization in the UK still smashed

00:54:11.360 our window, still gave us hell.

00:54:13.100 And so our only identity was one of antisemitism.

00:54:16.480 Now, for those that aren't Jewish, the Jewish contribution to humanity has been phenomenal.

00:54:20.720 We, we helped shape the, the, the values that the West is based on.

00:54:25.120 We've contributed to the sciences, the arts, et cetera.

00:54:28.120 And so there's so much to be proud of as a Jew.

00:54:30.960 And yet the only identity we had was antisemitism.

00:54:34.320 And so I would clash with the national front.

00:54:38.000 I would clash with the BMP back in the day.

00:54:40.640 And I realized that the only place that Jews would be safe is here where I am today, Israel.

00:54:47.360 And so I thought, I've got, I've got a little, um, I've got to learn the language.

00:54:50.720 The only place that taught the language in the North of England, where I came from, was

00:54:55.340 a reformed synagogue.

00:54:56.440 So reformed Jews are Jews that don't see the Torah and the oral law is necessarily divine.

00:55:04.240 Um, but they still keep many of the traditions in, albeit slightly modified form often.

00:55:10.180 And so I started with them and that introduced me to the religion.

00:55:13.520 I encountered a philosopher called Maimonides.

00:55:16.980 And I started reading a guide for the perplexed where he lays out the, why one should be monotheist.

00:55:22.780 If you're coming from a more philosophical or academic background, it resonated with me.

00:55:28.300 And so I started becoming Torah observant and it was, I then thought, okay, I can't, I can't,

00:55:37.000 I lived in a village, a pit village in the North of England.

00:55:39.980 And so there were ex-miners and farmers, that's all that lived there.

00:55:44.740 And there wasn't a synagogue, there wasn't kosher food, there wasn't anything.

00:55:47.720 So I moved to London to, to, to live a kosher and observant lifestyle.

00:55:53.920 And I encountered anti-Muslim bigotry in the Jewish community.

00:55:59.680 I thought, okay, I'm going to fix this.

00:56:00.740 And so I launched a website called judaismislam.com, which promoted the commonalities between the two faiths.

00:56:06.360 And I started studying Islam and Judaism.

00:56:09.600 And that put me in contact with the Muslim community.

00:56:13.220 I thought, boy, if I thought it was bad in the Jewish community, the prejudice against Jews and the Muslim community,

00:56:19.920 as a little, they've turned it up a notch more than we have.

00:56:23.280 And so I realized that was the real issue.

00:56:25.020 And so I launched a campaign against anti-Semitism.

00:56:26.700 And so my journey came from one of interfaith and coexistence.

00:56:31.360 And can't we all just get along?

00:56:33.560 And yeah, and that's how I became more versed in God, relatively well versed in the Quran and then the Sunnah, as well as, as well as my own tradition.

00:56:45.540 So you actually started, that's incredible.

00:56:48.960 I was, I was, I was wondering, how did you end up?

00:56:52.380 Because you sound like a yeshiva boy when you approach the conversation.

00:56:58.340 And the thing that baffled me is that it was clear that you didn't grow up with it.

00:57:03.920 Like I could imagine my rabbi brother, Chabad rabbi brother, just, you know, he would have all the hand signals when he's talking to her, to these guys.

00:57:16.260 I don't know how relatable that is.

00:57:18.140 And then we take that, I don't know if that's relatable to Muslims.

00:57:21.120 No, it isn't.

00:57:22.260 But that's, but yeah, it's, it's a great story.

00:57:25.040 I love it.

00:57:26.080 Anyways, where can people find you when they want to see these, especially those who have never seen it?

00:57:31.760 I encourage you to watch some of them.

00:57:32.940 On all social media.

00:57:33.480 Yeah, if you want to watch neo-Nazis pull guns on me, if you want to watch jihadis threatening to set me on fire, if you want, if you, if that's the kind of content that floats your boat, then you can find me on the Israel advocacy movement.

00:57:48.600 And you can find that on any platform.

00:57:51.480 I know we are on Rumble, we just never post.

00:57:53.660 But Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, still.

00:57:56.940 You have problems with TikTok?

00:57:58.260 I just had the most surreal experience with TikTok a few weeks ago.

00:58:04.440 I've only just recovered my account.

00:58:06.540 So my logo was IAM for the Israel advocacy movement.

00:58:10.900 My name was Israel underscore advocacy.

00:58:14.320 It still is my username.

00:58:16.340 And my bio, my bio said, we do Zionism.

00:58:19.920 My bio got a community violation.

00:58:22.900 They deleted my name.

00:58:24.720 They deleted my bio, like my bio, and they deleted my profile picture because I said, we do Zionism.

00:58:31.660 Now, the insane thing about that is a Zionist is anyone who supports a Jewish state.

00:58:35.920 Habibi, if you support Palestine and Israel coexisting alongside each other, you're by definition a Zionist.

00:58:42.600 But that was a violation of TikTok's terms.

00:58:45.060 And they literally nearly took down my entire account.

00:58:48.080 It was a battle to get my username back.

00:58:51.160 So, yeah, I do have problems with TikTok.

00:58:53.140 Yeah, because I lost my account there years ago.

00:58:56.840 And actually, some Jewish kids started up a new one for me.

00:59:01.080 And so I've just started being posy.

00:59:02.580 And now they've got this new thing where you can do content checks for you.

00:59:07.560 But I was banned from nothing.

00:59:10.860 Like, Facebook, I remember, banned me for hate speech or whatever back then in that period we were talking about.

00:59:17.080 But TikTok banned me for, like, just ridiculous automated content.

00:59:23.820 Like, it just, nobody could watch the content and say it was hateful.

00:59:27.720 It wasn't even about any of this type of stuff, Islam, Judaism.

00:59:30.740 It was nothing to do with that.

00:59:31.520 It was about my life was the last post that got banned for hate.

00:59:35.720 And I just don't know how people succeed on there.

00:59:39.220 Although now they've got that new button where it checks your content.

00:59:42.560 It's really easy to succeed on TikTok.

00:59:46.680 You just convert to Islam.

00:59:48.340 Oh, well, that's every platform now.

00:59:52.160 And that's why so many people are doing it.

00:59:53.860 Converting to Islam gets you.

00:59:55.820 Converting to Islam and throwing in some anti-Jew,

00:59:58.640 either direct hateful slurs or even just, like, an undercurrent of anti-Semitism.

01:00:04.760 Depends how quickly you want to rise on those platforms.

01:00:07.820 I mean, it's worked for Sneeko and it's worked for Andrew Tate.

01:00:10.700 Oh, my God.

01:00:11.880 Andrew Tate.

01:00:12.560 That's a whole other discussion.

01:00:14.500 That's probably one thing I vehemently disagree with Tommy Robinson about.

01:00:20.160 But I guess they're two Luton boys.

01:00:21.680 And just like no one will convince Tommy Robinson to hate the Jews,

01:00:26.920 they also won't convince him to hate his buddy from school that he absolutely thinks is the fakest Muslim on the planet

01:00:34.660 because he's not an idiot and he knows that Andrew Tate doesn't even know anything about Islam,

01:00:42.060 let alone practice anything for real.

01:00:45.000 It was just like his desperate attempt at a point where he got cancelled to not end up like Tommy Robinson.

01:00:52.360 And you've got to give it to Andrew Tate.

01:00:54.820 He was kind of right.

01:00:56.220 He was right.

01:00:56.960 He picked up billions of followers and he upped his anti-Semitism.

01:01:01.340 And even when the Muslims realised he wasn't real,

01:01:04.920 he continued with the anti-Semitism because they'll still play along as long as you do that.

01:01:10.340 It's a wild, wild world we live in.

01:01:11.920 And mate, thank you so much for joining us today.

01:01:15.600 I appreciate everything you do.

01:01:17.000 I'll continue watching.

01:01:18.000 I encourage anyone, all of you viewers out there, go check out some of the content.

01:01:22.420 It's stuff that I put it on while I'm in the sauna and I just listen to the debate and I think,

01:01:27.260 oh, how does he do that?

01:01:28.640 I don't know if that's an image I want in my head after you in the sauna watching my content.

01:01:33.460 I don't know why I was so honest about it, but that's the truth.

01:01:37.480 It's the place where I get time just to listen to, and it's the best place to listen to debates

01:01:42.880 because you've got to be in there, you've got to burn half an hour, 40 minutes.

01:01:45.840 And you do it well.

01:01:47.720 There's not many people doing it well.

01:01:48.880 There are different people doing different styles.

01:01:50.820 You know, there's a few Israelis I've been following, that's Saha.

01:01:53.860 And there's a couple of guys that are doing some really cool work and they're engaging

01:01:57.940 in ways that inspired me to start doing it.

01:02:01.780 It's a completely different game than I'm used to doing.

01:02:04.500 And my followers, I don't think they're used to it because they're used to seeing me on

01:02:08.540 the street, some, my security jumping in, a fight happening and some funny jokes in the

01:02:13.800 middle.

01:02:14.280 So now they've got to get used to seeing me in this place.

01:02:17.100 But I think that you can get to a lot more substance when you're not fighting with the

01:02:22.220 person to just be there, they choose to be there.

01:02:25.540 But when we watch yours in comparison to many others, you actually come from a really interesting

01:02:31.620 angle, which is like, I'm not just going to fight you for, and I'm genuinely inspired.

01:02:36.200 If you watch my conversations now online, you will notice some of your lines because I'm

01:02:42.620 like, that is a brilliant way to engage with that point.

01:02:47.620 And it doesn't have to be Tommy Robinson and Avi Amini, me against the world kind of interaction

01:02:54.580 every single time.

01:02:56.180 Sometimes it's called for, though.

01:02:58.400 No, I think the balance is important.

01:03:00.160 I think we need you on the streets when they're on the streets.

01:03:03.000 And we need you online in the more calm, considered conversations where people can actually grow

01:03:09.200 and learn.

01:03:09.880 It's very rare you learn from a street clash.

01:03:11.820 It's more you're there for the drama.

01:03:12.860 No, I mean, interesting, like yesterday, let's end on this point, is that I had the

01:03:17.240 jizzier conversation in my live, because I've been live streaming the thing, because I thought

01:03:23.580 might as well double up on the content.

01:03:25.520 So I live stream it and delete straight away, because there's always people, Hail Hitler and

01:03:28.840 all this stuff that I think is going to get me banned.

01:03:31.360 So even though they're saying it at me, but there was a guy trying to, it was funny because

01:03:38.720 he started with, you know, Hitler was good and all this, and then he goes on to, no,

01:03:43.540 Jews were, he was a Muslim, that Jews, the narrative is Jews have always been protected

01:03:48.560 by Muslims in every Muslim land, and no Muslims have ever turned on Jews, it's complete nonsense.

01:03:53.580 Kaiba is just, was a lovely place, whatever.

01:03:57.240 But then, you know, we get onto the conversation of, they talk about Zakat, they're 2.5%, whatever.

01:04:03.540 And then he goes, and I say, you know, what about the jizzier, we have to be the dimmies

01:04:08.060 and we have to pay.

01:04:09.160 And he goes, oh, go look it up, the jizzier is actually less than the zakah.

01:04:13.920 What would you say to that when they tell you the jizzier is less than the zakah, then

01:04:17.600 the Jew doesn't have to pay zakah?

01:04:19.740 I'd ask for a source, because there is no source.

01:04:22.720 In the Hadith, you mentioned Kaiba, the Jews of the Hejaz had to pay 50% of their produce,

01:04:28.960 which they did, in the Hijaz, in the entire, so Kaiba, Medina, Mecca, so that region.

01:04:36.560 So that was 50% then?

01:04:37.520 And they paid 50% to remain in the Hijaz, and then Umar ibn al-Khatab, the guy that they

01:04:44.420 will say let the Jews back into Jerusalem, which is true, he did, so thank you Umar ibn

01:04:48.740 al-Khatab, he also ethnically cleansed us from the Hijaz, because there's a Hadith that

01:04:54.840 said it was one of Muhammad's dying wishes, that two religions couldn't coexist in the

01:04:59.740 Hijaz, and so Umar ibn al-Khatab saw that through, and ethnically cleansed every single Jew, and

01:05:05.900 so there is no, there is no, in the Quranic, sorry, in the Hadith.

01:05:09.760 I did look it up while we were live, and I'm like, I'm like, actually, no, like, I couldn't,

01:05:15.620 I could find that the Zakat was 2.5, but I couldn't find any, they said it's often less

01:05:23.260 than the Zakat, but I couldn't, it was, it said that they could choose, the leader could

01:05:28.560 choose.

01:05:29.820 No, so this is all lies, if you go to Jewish sources, and you read what you pay, you'll

01:05:33.460 find that there were women in hiding, peasant women in hiding, because they couldn't afford

01:05:37.860 to pay the Jizya.

01:05:39.720 What I always bring it back to is the foundational text, so in Al-Quran, in the Quran, and the

01:05:44.800 word Jizya is mentioned once, it's in Surat Yunus, 29th ayah, the 29th verse, and it basically

01:05:53.280 says, fight the Jews and Christians until they pay the Jizya, until they are humbled, humiliated,

01:06:05.440 and when you read the tafsir, the commentary by Ibn Kathir, he says, this is a tax of humiliation,

01:06:11.640 persecution, because they refuse to accept Mohammed as the message of Allah.

01:06:16.440 Where is the best, where is the best, look, at the end I came back to him with, listen,

01:06:21.060 I don't know your religion that well, but all I can say is it sounds like a bikey gang who's

01:06:26.960 extorting businesses to pay a tax for them to protect them, usually from themselves, which

01:06:34.920 which I think is the valid argument as well, but it is great to be armed with these points.

01:06:41.120 What are the best places to search, in your opinion?

01:06:46.740 Because when you Google it, Google automatically takes, I can see it's all the Islamic sites,

01:06:52.160 which are Dawah sites, or they're literally twisting everything in the best possible interpretation.

01:06:57.980 So, I'll give a shout out to my friend, Apostate Prophet. So, if you go to people like Apostate

01:07:04.320 Prophet, David Wood, the Christian apologists, they have extensively documented almost every

01:07:11.540 source you could possibly want when exploring subjects like the Jizya.

01:07:16.960 So, they have it on their websites?

01:07:19.020 These are all YouTubers, they've got a million videos on these subjects.

01:07:23.120 Well, I'm trying to find it, like, in that moment.

01:07:27.100 But what they will do, so what they will do, they will tell you which, so the way that

01:07:30.580 Islam works is you have the Quran, which is the foundational text. So, they will provide

01:07:35.720 you the sources from the Quran, which are of interest to you, and then just go to Quran.com,

01:07:41.420 read the, well, in Quran.com, it has the tafsir of Ibn Qatir, who's like the Rashi, he's like

01:07:47.520 the main commentator to go to. And so, you get the traditional Sunni Islamic understanding,

01:07:53.120 understanding of the Quran. But the, like in Judaism, we have the Talmud, which is,

01:07:57.860 that contains the oral law. They have the Hadith, which are the sayings of Muhammad and

01:08:03.640 the companions, the Sahaba. And there's many problematic, much problematic content there.

01:08:09.660 So, for instance, if someone tells you, how could Muhammad be anti-Semitic? He married

01:08:14.980 a Jewish woman. And so, if you go to the Hadith, you understand who she was, and how he

01:08:20.460 married her, and how he had her father, and her husband, and her father, who was the chief,

01:08:26.880 yeah, the chief and the treasurer of Banu Nadir, one of the Jewish tribes of the Hijaz.

01:08:31.680 And then there was a whole conversation amongst the Sahaba. They didn't know whether she was

01:08:35.900 going to be Sabaya, a slave, or she was going to be his wife. And she came out wearing hijab,

01:08:40.980 which meant that she was his wife. But it's not your typical romantic story. It's not even

01:08:45.120 a Tinder story. This wasn't a Tinder date. This was a little bit more extreme. And so,

01:08:50.720 people like Apostate Prophet will give you these Hadith, and you can just go to sunnah.com,

01:08:55.600 and you can read the Hadith in detail. So, it's quran.com and sunnah.com.

01:08:59.780 Yeah, sunnah for the Hadith, quran for the quran. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got you.

01:09:02.920 Yeah, no, I would wonder if you can. And just use the search as well. Just type in

01:09:07.220 you into sunnah.com. It's always funny and interesting reading. Like, just think of a

01:09:11.680 crazy keyword, type it into sunnah.com, and you'll find some fascinating things. Like,

01:09:17.180 here's one for the audience. Go to sunnah.com and type in camel urine. You'll be surprised

01:09:21.360 at what you find. On that note, thank you, brother. I appreciate your time, and keep up

01:09:27.620 the good work.

01:09:29.600 Jazakallah, Khairan.

Rebel News Podcast - June 11, 2025

AVI YEMINI ｜ The Yemini Report — Ep 27

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