Nick Patterson has been fighting the government for years to keep the details of COVID (Collingwood Interrogation of Informants) secret. He s been in the public eye for over a decade, and in this episode, Nick talks about how he fought back against the tactics used by the Victorian government to keep COVID secret.
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00:00:49.140Welcome back to the Yamina Report, where we talk to important people doing important things, and there's no one more important than the guest tonight, especially during the COVID era.
00:01:06.760And many of you would know him, we've done many stories with him over that period, throughout his journey in fighting back against the overreaching state and winning against all odds.
00:01:19.140But this time, we're going to sit with him for a good 40, 45 minutes and chat about more than just what happened during COVID.
00:01:57.680And I just really wanted to, especially after the news that broke that the Victorian government lost its bid to keep the lockdown briefings secret.
00:02:08.240And as soon as I heard that news, I thought, you know who I want to talk to about that and about what he's doing generally is Nick Patterson.
00:02:15.860Because for those that don't remember, let us know your story.
00:03:12.940They were just parking at the front to scare people off from coming into the gym.
00:03:16.880Then they started coming to my house at about 1 o'clock in the morning consistently.
00:03:22.320And that I knew was just intimidation.
00:03:24.060So I got to experience something that most people don't experience in their life, where you actually go against the government.
00:03:33.500You realize that the police have been weaponized against anyone who opposes the government.
00:03:40.460And obviously, we have a lot of power as individuals if we're on social media, because I was getting a lot of traction on social media and people were seeing what I was doing.
00:03:48.680A lot of people were being sort of inspired to stand up for themselves and to go against the mandates.
00:03:54.500Which, as we know, through painful experience, there was no evidence, like legitimate evidence for them to even establish any of the lockdowns or any legal basis, any lawful basis, any legitimate basis.
00:04:27.040Yeah, well, and you know what's interesting is everybody fought so hard, including you, to be able to force the government into disclosing that.
00:04:36.500And until now, so five years on, until now, there hasn't been such a win.
00:04:43.700Now they are going to be forced to release, and I dare say, based on, you know, my intimate involvement in so many cases, where I know how hard they worked to avoid having to show any evidence of the briefings, exactly what was supplied as scientific evidence.
00:05:06.120And I dare say, there's not going to be anything really in there, and that's what the government wanted to hide, and that's what people are going to realise they were taken for such a ride.
00:05:17.860And I'm talking about people, I'm talking about those that, you know, looked at someone like you, and even me, as evil at the time.
00:05:26.120We were the ones, you even more so, me, I got away with the point that I was just doing my job.
00:05:33.180You were blatantly breaching the rules, encouraging others, at the time it was called incitement, inciting others to breach the rules that were based on nothing.
00:05:45.420And you were saying that at the time, you were getting condemned by that.
00:05:48.940And, you know, a big proportion of the public, back then, I know many people today are pretending like they weren't in support of it, but at the time, a big proportion of the public, including, by the way, the man behind this lawsuit, which is the Liberal Party, Davison, or whatever his name is.
00:06:10.780And he was a big supporter of the government's behaviour back at the time, but, you know, obviously, now they realise how unpopular all of that was.
00:06:23.360And by extension, I'll be vindicated, but you especially, somebody who's fought it, I'd say so.
00:06:28.720We don't know, we haven't seen the evidence, but I dare say that the government wouldn't have fought so hard to hide it, in all our cases, and in this specific case,
00:06:37.240if there were, if it really, if there was something really there that backed up their lockdowns.
00:06:45.660So, obviously, the big issue, I think, for the whole, the reason the whole pandemic happened, the way it did, was because there was a lack of courage and confidence.
00:06:56.720But do you think it was beyond that, though?
00:06:59.080Do you think, I agree with you, I think there was a lack of courage by people, you know,
00:07:05.200like, I would go to many places and people would quietly go,
00:07:07.580oh, Harvey, thanks so much for standing up, for doing it, but they wouldn't, you know,
00:07:12.060I'm not going to, I can't afford to do it, I've got work, I've got this, and that.
00:07:17.980And I guess, you know, the imagery, seeing videos night after night where Victoria Police were kicking in doors,
00:07:24.060that was working, you know, having police cars outside of the gym, that was working.
00:07:28.400But I think a lot of people were also, it took them a long time to realise they were being taken for a bit of a ride.
00:07:36.960Yeah, but the narrative breaks down, Harvey, when there's more and more people standing against it and being public about it,
00:07:43.260then people become encouraged on the other side.
00:07:45.380And they go, you know what, maybe, maybe it's okay to look into this and actually use my brain and critical thinking.
00:07:50.580Once people start to do that, they start to realise, hey, there's a lot of problems here in this narrative.
00:07:56.480And then quickly, the narrative breaks.
00:07:58.400And when the narrative breaks, then they can't, you know, the governments and the big institutions that are pushing the agenda,
00:08:06.000can't get people to man all the posts to keep the agenda going.
00:08:10.240And we saw that when, because we ran those massive rallies.
00:08:13.000Like, I was one of the people, there was a whole group of us that were running the big rallies in the city.
00:08:17.940And it was every week we're doing this.
00:08:20.240And we were getting huge numbers of people.
00:08:23.620And that, I think, was the catalyst for the narrative going from this way, like going on this trajectory up.
00:08:32.760And then it just started to flatten out and go the other way.
00:08:35.980And once that starts to flatten out, people start to become more encouraged.
00:08:39.320And then we saw police leaving, the police force.
00:08:43.100And they were record numbers of police leaving.
00:08:45.640Now, if the police aren't there to enforce all of the directions, then what happens to the agenda?
00:09:15.800You know, and he's a – obviously, he's a man of faith and he's got principles.
00:09:19.340But that's the point is principles, right?
00:09:21.240So you had these people that would say to you – and they'd say to me as well – look, I've just – I can't go out there and, you know, I've got too much to lose and all the rest of it.
00:09:30.840I'm scared that I'm going to lose my job.
00:09:32.980So it's about where their principles and values are.
00:09:36.300So my values were such that money and my position, my status didn't really matter.
00:10:03.200You can't have courage without the truth.
00:10:05.000You've got to have a foundation, which is the truth, by which you can believe that you can accomplish the things that you want to accomplish.
00:10:12.280But I just saw there was a real lack of that.
00:10:14.400And that was what was really disheartening for me.
00:10:17.880But through the process, I saw more and more people start becoming encouraged.
00:10:21.360And I realized this is more of like a ministry work, by standing up for myself and being very public about it, which you really helped me to do that, because you were able to get my message out of my story out to millions of people.
00:10:35.120By doing that, a lot of people were encouraged.
00:10:37.920And then they made that decision, that moral decision within themselves to do what they knew was right and stand on those true principles and make them number one.
00:10:48.860There was all these bad things that happened.
00:10:50.560But I think those bad things were only part of the story.
00:10:55.400There's also all this good stuff that happened, which was people becoming stronger and encouraged and people realizing what the government really is.
00:11:03.040And it's just an oppressive force now that wants to regulate everything that we do and take everything from us so that we basically have an early death and we're taxed into oblivion.
00:11:12.860And we can't really own a house or accomplish anything that we could, you know, a couple of decades ago.
00:11:20.500And people are realizing that now and realizing that they don't represent us.
00:11:25.060So obviously we know this, but there's a lot of people that were a long way from that.
00:11:28.960But now they're starting to open their minds up and they're realizing the government's not for us.
00:11:35.800And then it's the next part in this journey is what can we do with the power that we have?
00:11:42.320And I always say that the power that we have is really our ability to speak and inspire people with the truth, which is interesting because we're seeing all of this legislation
00:11:52.620being passed or attempted to be passed, which restricts speech, which is the proof that that's the most powerful weapon that you have.
00:12:03.020Which is why I was targeted by the police as well, because I was exposing the lies.
00:12:07.660I was just looking up while you were talking there.
00:13:40.300And then there were cops that we saw that were reveling in the extra brutal powers that they thought they currently had.
00:13:46.880Yeah, I've met loads of police officers, many of which have been at events where I've been speaking.
00:13:57.920And they've come up to me and said, I used to be a police officer, you know, and then they've said that you're a big part in my decision to leave
00:14:06.880because they realised what they were working for.
00:14:09.680And that's the problem with such a complex compartmentalised bureaucracy running everything.
00:14:14.800All these people that are making decisions, no one's making a clear decision on something.
00:14:19.980It's like they make part of the decision, the next part of the bureaucracy makes the next part of the decision,
00:16:13.140The government agencies, they just ignore you if they don't want to talk to you.
00:16:15.480And then about four months later, they provided us with a certificate that had nothing in it.
00:16:22.120They were ordered to provide an affidavit so that we can cross-examine them in court.
00:16:27.580And they provided some sort of certificate which contained nothing.
00:16:30.540So this is, and they weren't held in contempt for failing to provide, or afforded to provide.
00:16:39.400So you can see the whole system is against the little guy.
00:16:43.060It's like a David and Goliath battle to get any equity or any justice or any fairness.
00:16:48.080And it really is that bad, but you don't realise it's that bad, because obviously we think everything's operating the way it should.
00:16:57.560There's these rules they call the model litigant rules that all these government officials have to abide by and adhere to, but they don't.
00:17:05.080And then you realise that, well, okay, well, I'm going to compel them to be model litigants according to the rules, but there's no teeth to that.
00:17:13.960So they can just ignore it, and there's no penalty for them in not doing that.
00:17:18.840And that was my experience across the board, 100%.
00:17:21.960And I've never had that experience before.
00:17:24.460I've never known anyone with these kinds of experiences with the police.
00:17:27.300But then I haven't known people that have been promoting any idea or any narrative that is in position to the government the way I was and others were.
00:17:40.780And then I realised all of us are getting targeted by the police, because we're not going along with something that is an obvious lie.
00:17:48.100But the only sad part about it, because I look at it and I think it was a good experience for growth, as much as it was really, really hard, and it was completely immoral, but it actually woke me up to the reality of what this world is and how it operates, like how the government institutions operate and how corrupt they and disgustingly corrupt they really are.
00:18:10.520I mean, I don't know how to, I don't have the words to emphasise what I really think about those government institutions.
00:18:15.460I think that, like the DPP, who were commencing all these prosecutions against people for literally just doing Facebook posts and speaking out against the lies, for speaking the truth, they were just targeted, locked up, put in jail, pregnant women put in jail.
00:18:35.940And I think that that is ample grounds for people to just make that moral decision that I don't respect the government, I'm not going to follow any of their rules anymore.
00:18:44.660I'm only going to follow the moral ones.
00:18:46.260There's actually a good friend of mine, Dave, he said at a rally once, when we were causing this big rally, and we spoke to the police liaison, we got these police officers that come up, they're usually very friendly police, and they talk to the rally organisers, and they said,
00:19:02.660we just want to make sure that you adhere to the laws and don't break any of the rules, and my mate Dave, he made me so proud, he just said, we don't care about your rules, and he pointed to the sky and he's like, we don't care about his laws, that's it, meaning we don't care about the moral rules, we don't care about your rules.
00:19:23.820And also, the reason that I was picked off basically all social media, do you know what it was?
00:19:43.600I was, I was sharing some research from a friend of mine named Darren Dixon, he's got a website called Constitution Watch, and it's just brilliant, right, all this really, really good legal research.
00:19:54.320And I was explaining that the Human Rights Charter wasn't suspended like the government had told us it was, because they have to have a declaration to override the, a declaration in Parliament to override the Human Rights Charter.
00:20:11.060And then I was, I was explaining that police constables can't be directed by the government, because their own police act says they can't.
00:20:19.180And then I, and it says in section 51, listen to this, that a police officer has independent authority over their office, and that they cannot be directed by the government or senior police.
00:20:30.420Now that's from the LexisNexis legal dictionary for constable, but that's the, the Australian legal dictionary that has all the, the sections of the legislation and case law for what a constable is.
00:20:42.640And the, the, the police act refers to that section.
00:20:46.240So I'm reading this section, I'm thinking, well, hang on, how can the police be enforcing government directions when they're, the definition of police constable that we use in our courts is they can't be directed by the government or enforce government directions.
00:20:59.260And then I looked at a case, there's a case in there that's cited, which is R versus Commissioner of the Police Metropolis, ex parte.
00:21:07.000It was a, it was a UK case that's been cited over here numerous times.
00:21:11.360And in that case, it was determined that police can't be directed to do anything by the government, other than provide a, a report.
00:21:18.980So I was sharing this information because that's powerful information to completely break the narrative, especially if it gets into the minds of the police officers who are enforcing all the madness, right?
00:21:28.960Once they start realizing that they, they're, they're actually not allowed to enforce this stuff.
00:21:43.940It would be interesting to know, because I'm sure that the government essentially pressured all social media.
00:21:55.800And back then they were pretty successful in, in, in encouraging social media to cancel people.
00:22:04.260That's, we saw from the Twitter files, governments, including the Australian government was essentially telling, you know, ordering the old Twitter, but I'm sure Meta, all of them, you saw it happen across the board.
00:22:17.680In fact, today we still see, do you know that in Australia, Australia is like the only place left that there is any fact or one of the other places where there are any fact checkers still working in for Meta, where Meta's kicked everyone off, including Australia's own fact checker.
00:22:32.020I think they use an American AP, or they use AP here, I don't know.
00:22:35.800But basically because of the e-safety commissioner here and, and the kind of overreaching powers they have in Australia, there is the, while everyone else is starting to turn to the community notes, Meta's kind of capitulating at this point.
00:22:52.180Who knows how long that's going to last?
00:22:53.320Because X didn't capitulate, X is in court, I think at the end of this month in Australia, at the end of this month in Australia, taking on the e-safety commissioner.
00:23:04.100So I dare say whatever comes of that will, will, will guide what's happening into the future, whether it's with X or, or Meta.
00:23:13.060Meta's shown lately that they want, they want to turn things more into X because they can see that, you know, while their business is crumbling and falling, especially Facebook is, is kind of, you know, people who, who's on Facebook anymore.
00:23:30.380It's, you know, it's, you know, it's dying out, whereas X is, is growing.
00:23:34.960And so they realize that free speech actually works and, um, just censoring everyone and everything doesn't, doesn't actually work.
00:23:43.320I guess, I guess, what's your reaction to the fact that now they're going to be compelled to release the exact, um, information that you fought so hard, but essentially failed because the courts wouldn't uphold their own, uh, ruling?