Rebel News Podcast - AVI YEMINI ｜ Warren Pickering on why Victoria needs REAL leadership

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00:01:04.220 Welcome back to the Yaminireport, and it's election season.

00:01:08.060 Aren't we all so excited?

00:01:10.580 I know, some of us, or some of them have already been in election season for months,

00:01:15.760 they just, no one wanted to admit it.

00:01:17.480 But, in the lead-up to the election, the people that I want to talk to are those that are making a difference,

00:01:23.760 hopefully, on our side, here in Australia.

00:01:26.720 And no one makes more of a difference, more of an impact, than the very one, Nation.

00:01:32.520 A party that I've been following for a long time.

00:01:34.440 In fact, it was my first introduction into the political realm, the political world,

00:01:40.400 was when I made the grave mistake in inviting Pauline Hanson and Malcolm Roberts

00:01:45.800 to speak to the Jewish community in 2017.

00:01:49.020 Oh, well, man, I did not realise inviting elected officials could cause such a shitstorm.

00:01:57.980 And what a shock it was when the AFP ended up shutting down our event

00:02:03.120 because outsiders came to gatecrash and threaten the local Jewish community.

00:02:10.240 Outsiders now that are recognised, the same ones we see marching on the streets every week

00:02:14.920 against the Jewish community, they were willing back then in 2017

00:02:19.140 to come and protest a Jewish event in which Pauline Hanson and Malcolm Roberts

00:02:24.120 came to speak because they just, because they're so tolerant.

00:02:30.440 But we're not talking about that tonight.

00:02:31.440 We're talking about everything around the election and One Nation in Victoria.

00:02:35.120 Mate, how are you doing?

00:02:36.580 Welcome to the show.

00:02:38.260 For those who don't actually know who you are, go and introduce yourself.

00:02:43.940 Yeah, thanks, Avi.

00:02:44.860 I am absolutely fantastic, mate.

00:02:46.740 And, you know, there's never been a better time to get behind One Nation in Victoria.

00:02:51.240 So, viewers, my name is Warren Pickering,

00:02:53.500 and I am the lead senator candidate for the One Nation party.

00:02:56.400 I've also assumed the responsibility of state director for these last three or so years

00:03:00.660 since I was first endorsed on a federal ticket in 2022.

00:03:05.740 Look, my background is I grew up in Gippsland, Victoria, country boy, bricklayer for 10 years,

00:03:11.620 then joined the army as a combat engineer, combat operations,

00:03:15.840 and humanitarian aid disaster relief ops all around the planet,

00:03:19.640 and back to sunny Victoria to try and fix things sort of post-COVID to get engaged.

00:03:25.740 So, look, I never saw politics on my own horizon.

00:03:31.180 I, to this point, I'm not good at self-promotion.

00:03:33.900 I have no desire to be a politician.

00:03:35.400 But the trouble is, as soon as I got a little bit involved,

00:03:37.800 I went down the rabbit hole and realized that, look,

00:03:41.120 there is an absolute desperate need for real people to get involved in the political sphere in this country.

00:03:45.880 We suffer for political ignorance.

00:03:48.260 And I don't believe that's an accident.

00:03:49.800 You know, we moved political science from the syllabus in the 1980s,

00:03:52.620 and I think as a result, we are all largely politically illiterate in this country.

00:03:57.600 So, yeah, running an active education campaign and trying to enlighten some people

00:04:04.540 and get a few more regular Aussies involved.

00:04:08.360 Well, I want to start by thank you, firstly, for your service.

00:04:12.140 And I guess your service now is to try and trying at least to push it.

00:04:17.500 I don't care what, I know you do care,

00:04:21.160 but I care less about which of the minor right-wing parties

00:04:25.440 I feel like we just need to push some of those in.

00:04:29.460 You know, the best outcome for me in this election would be

00:04:32.500 if we get, for the first time, I believe,

00:04:35.180 a liberal minority government in which, you know,

00:04:38.580 one nation holds the balance of power.

00:04:40.800 Imagine that.

00:04:42.020 And I'm assuming that's what you're going for.

00:04:44.900 Mate, that's sort of what I've been pitching to people as well.

00:04:48.740 As much as we'd love to say we're going to secure a whole swag of our seats

00:04:53.240 enough to form government,

00:04:54.440 while I do foresee that potentially happening within my lifetime,

00:04:59.120 probably not this election side.

00:05:00.400 You might have to form government with Trumpets of Patriots

00:05:02.660 because I believe that they're going to have a prime minister.

00:05:04.740 I'm just smoking around.

00:05:05.920 Hey, classic.

00:05:07.900 Mate, you've got to be ambitious, don't you?

00:05:09.540 You've got to own my.

00:05:10.480 Look, but that's what I've been pitching to people as well.

00:05:13.260 The reality is whether it's our party

00:05:14.620 or whether, you know, you share a value set

00:05:16.400 with one of the other freedom-friendly-minded parties

00:05:18.260 is somewhat irrelevant.

00:05:20.100 Yes, of course, I have a bias that I'd like it to be my party.

00:05:22.580 But I believe firmly that One Nation is the most capable vehicle

00:05:27.780 of delivering us that balance of power

00:05:29.440 to the freedom-friendly minor party movement.

00:05:31.720 I genuinely believe that.

00:05:32.980 And I think realistically what we could pick up

00:05:36.420 a few lower house seats this time around,

00:05:38.100 but we have seen successive election cycles

00:05:40.060 and watched the majors lose traction

00:05:42.920 for the last two decades effectively.

00:05:45.480 You know, we saw our Abernathy pick up,

00:05:47.100 I believe, with the lowest percentage ever,

00:05:49.020 33-odd percent primary vote.

00:05:51.500 And it's likely if Dutton secures government,

00:05:54.000 it's going to be with even less

00:05:55.220 and maybe even, yeah,

00:05:56.500 have to potentially form something of a coalition

00:05:59.860 or work with One Nation to do that.

00:06:04.480 But look, I think that's our best hope

00:06:07.100 as a society at the moment

00:06:09.060 is for a Liberal government under Peter Dutton

00:06:11.660 with One Nation holding the balance of power.

00:06:13.780 We can pull that party back to its conservative base.

00:06:16.380 We can quite literally block bad legislation in the Senate.

00:06:20.020 Yeah, I agree with you.

00:06:21.900 So from your perspective,

00:06:24.800 I guess, you know,

00:06:26.100 we've seen a lot of people,

00:06:27.240 a lot of parties pop up since COVID

00:06:29.240 or right after COVID.

00:06:31.100 We've seen a lot of people shift around

00:06:33.480 between the different parties.

00:06:35.500 You haven't.

00:06:36.160 In the last election,

00:06:37.860 you were standing as a Senate candidate as well.

00:06:41.540 I remember we did the debate night.

00:06:43.700 You were there.

00:06:45.500 Why have you stuck with One Nation?

00:06:47.060 Why did you join One Nation then?

00:06:49.320 And is it the same reason

00:06:50.920 why you're still with One Nation?

00:06:52.440 Has there been any shift for you?

00:06:54.140 Because for others,

00:06:54.860 there obviously clearly has been a shift.

00:06:56.500 They've moved around.

00:06:58.820 Yeah, look,

00:06:59.440 and I appreciate that

00:07:00.800 because COVID was,

00:07:02.600 I think, very polarising

00:07:03.780 for a lot of us in a lot of ways.

00:07:05.120 And I think a lot of people

00:07:05.980 had previously not taken interest

00:07:07.860 in the political sphere.

00:07:09.240 After COVID,

00:07:09.980 they realised they need to take an interest.

00:07:11.380 So they jumped on,

00:07:12.500 you know,

00:07:13.080 the bandwagon with the party

00:07:14.200 that was available to them at the time

00:07:15.740 that represented their values

00:07:16.900 or their needs at the time.

00:07:18.340 Whereas I think now,

00:07:19.260 a lot of people have probably

00:07:20.120 had the opportunity

00:07:20.760 to really research parties

00:07:22.000 and find, you know,

00:07:22.880 which ones and their policies

00:07:24.680 best resonate with them

00:07:25.700 and get behind and support them,

00:07:27.220 which is fantastic.

00:07:28.280 You know,

00:07:28.420 that's the democratic process in action.

00:07:30.900 So that's great.

00:07:31.940 But for me personally,

00:07:32.800 I was always One Nation,

00:07:34.560 was never going to be

00:07:35.480 anyone else for me.

00:07:36.260 Why?

00:07:36.620 And I always resonated

00:07:38.020 with One Nation policy

00:07:39.160 and I always will.

00:07:41.540 The fundamentals of the policy,

00:07:44.080 I think,

00:07:44.620 the fundamentals

00:07:45.980 of the Judeo-Christian barriers

00:07:47.280 set that this country

00:07:48.200 was founded upon.

00:07:49.340 And far from the mainstream media's,

00:07:51.860 you know,

00:07:52.340 the belief that the mainstream media

00:07:53.640 would perpetuate us

00:07:55.020 to be these right-wing extremists,

00:07:57.260 I truly believe

00:07:58.620 that One Nation

00:07:59.220 is the last bastion

00:08:00.200 of true conservatism

00:08:01.180 in this country.

00:08:03.920 So a lot of...

00:08:05.240 has happened

00:08:05.820 since you ran last.

00:08:09.480 Has...

00:08:10.240 I guess first...

00:08:12.180 Has One Nation...

00:08:13.020 Have you seen any shift in...

00:08:14.480 Because One Nation in Victoria

00:08:15.400 has never been

00:08:16.040 particularly successful.

00:08:17.660 Has there been a growth

00:08:18.620 since, I guess,

00:08:21.100 the last election?

00:08:22.700 Mate,

00:08:23.020 there has been

00:08:23.540 exponential growth.

00:08:24.400 So One Nation in Victoria,

00:08:26.040 a lot of people

00:08:26.500 don't realise this.

00:08:27.320 So they just assume

00:08:28.000 because Senator Hanson

00:08:29.400 has been around

00:08:30.000 and fighting this fight

00:08:32.100 since 1996

00:08:32.940 that, you know,

00:08:34.140 this party's firmly

00:08:34.980 established in Victoria.

00:08:36.100 But the reality is

00:08:36.940 we ran our first state election

00:08:38.280 in 2022

00:08:39.020 and we managed

00:08:40.560 to get Ricky Leiteral,

00:08:41.700 MLC, up

00:08:42.460 for Northern Victoria region.

00:08:44.160 So we're 100% successful

00:08:45.440 at the state elections

00:08:46.380 in Victoria.

00:08:47.480 Now,

00:08:47.960 that's a phenomenal statistic

00:08:49.300 when you consider

00:08:49.860 21 individual parties

00:08:52.120 registered to run

00:08:52.980 at the last state election.

00:08:54.400 Yeah,

00:08:56.120 as I said,

00:08:56.620 so Victoria is now

00:08:57.420 our fastest growing

00:08:58.200 membership base.

00:09:01.120 And a lot of those

00:09:02.280 are disenfranchised

00:09:03.440 Labor and Liberal voters,

00:09:05.040 which is surprising to me,

00:09:06.540 but many are

00:09:07.280 just conservative people

00:09:08.440 that, you know,

00:09:09.780 held on to those

00:09:10.460 traditional value sets

00:09:11.400 of both those parties.

00:09:12.260 I find that interesting.

00:09:13.580 So I do hear

00:09:14.600 that a lot of Labor,

00:09:16.440 I guess,

00:09:17.740 working class,

00:09:19.020 traditional,

00:09:19.880 real Labor,

00:09:22.500 people do move over.

00:09:23.840 How many do you see

00:09:24.880 coming over?

00:09:25.720 And what are the kind

00:09:26.900 of policies

00:09:27.320 that you're finding

00:09:28.660 that they are joining you for?

00:09:32.200 Generally,

00:09:33.200 just the standard

00:09:37.120 economic policy

00:09:38.200 or the standard

00:09:38.820 sort of policy

00:09:39.560 that resonate

00:09:40.340 with families.

00:09:41.060 Like,

00:09:41.200 particularly of late,

00:09:42.600 it's the income

00:09:43.520 splitting policy

00:09:44.680 that we've put forward

00:09:45.500 to campaign on

00:09:46.200 in this federal election

00:09:47.040 because we know

00:09:47.680 it's those economic policies

00:09:49.080 that people are going

00:09:50.200 to vote on this election.

00:09:51.280 People are feeling it.

00:09:52.220 They're hurting

00:09:52.560 in the hip pocket.

00:09:55.200 So things like that

00:09:56.100 that are just

00:09:56.480 common sense

00:09:57.280 economic policy

00:09:58.260 that they're not seeing

00:09:59.980 from either

00:10:00.560 of the major parties,

00:10:01.560 which is interesting to me

00:10:02.600 because I guess

00:10:04.500 I suffer the illusion

00:10:05.420 that most people

00:10:06.200 understand the party

00:10:07.600 that they vote for

00:10:08.380 and the very set

00:10:08.920 of the party

00:10:09.300 they vote for,

00:10:10.220 whereas the Labor Party

00:10:11.360 no longer represent

00:10:12.440 that conservative

00:10:13.900 working class value set

00:10:15.180 that they did

00:10:15.620 in the 50s

00:10:16.420 and 60s

00:10:16.960 and 70s

00:10:17.580 and I think

00:10:19.280 people are realizing

00:10:20.000 that, you know,

00:10:20.600 they've become

00:10:21.140 a very,

00:10:21.680 a socialist story

00:10:23.900 or a social oriented party

00:10:25.780 and most of their

00:10:26.720 policies are based

00:10:28.260 around, you know,

00:10:29.560 whoever jumps up

00:10:30.660 and down

00:10:30.960 and becomes

00:10:31.360 a squeaker's wheel

00:10:32.120 or makes the most noise

00:10:33.080 or whatever,

00:10:33.580 you know what I mean?

00:10:34.080 They just seem

00:10:34.540 to capitulate

00:10:35.080 to the very vocal left arm

00:10:36.600 to the detriment

00:10:37.360 of their traditional

00:10:38.580 support base.

00:10:39.960 Look,

00:10:40.160 and I argue

00:10:41.080 that the same thing

00:10:41.820 sort of happening

00:10:42.280 within the Liberal Party.

00:10:43.840 So people

00:10:44.740 that actually do

00:10:45.360 a little bit of research

00:10:46.220 into the parties,

00:10:47.180 they're starting

00:10:48.140 to realize

00:10:48.680 that those parties

00:10:49.300 no longer represent

00:10:50.160 their value set

00:10:50.880 and, you know,

00:10:53.200 Rust on Red

00:10:54.020 or Blue

00:10:54.380 no matter who,

00:10:55.200 they won't vote

00:10:56.200 for their nemesis

00:10:57.040 if you know what I mean.

00:10:57.740 It's a bit of a cult

00:10:58.560 and you will never

00:10:59.140 get a bomber supporter

00:11:00.120 to Barrickford Collingwood.

00:11:01.320 It's the same concept.

00:11:02.720 So, you know,

00:11:03.760 One Nation offers

00:11:04.480 a palatable

00:11:05.440 third party alternative

00:11:06.500 for those people

00:11:07.340 and look,

00:11:08.500 as I said,

00:11:09.080 traction is building

00:11:09.860 all over the state.

00:11:11.200 Our membership's

00:11:11.840 the highest it's ever been

00:11:12.760 and it's fastest

00:11:13.380 growing in the country.

00:11:15.000 How many people

00:11:15.460 are you running?

00:11:15.880 I wouldn't do

00:11:16.640 any contributing factors,

00:11:17.840 mate,

00:11:18.060 but yeah,

00:11:18.560 there doesn't seem

00:11:19.480 to be an end in sight.

00:11:20.920 How many people

00:11:23.040 are you running

00:11:23.460 in this election

00:11:24.080 in Victoria?

00:11:26.120 So we're running

00:11:27.140 a full suite

00:11:27.680 of candidates.

00:11:29.240 I would have liked

00:11:30.220 to have had

00:11:30.660 an active candidate

00:11:31.580 in every seat,

00:11:32.380 so we've had

00:11:32.760 expressions of interest

00:11:33.720 open for almost

00:11:34.520 12 months.

00:11:35.960 But as you well know,

00:11:37.220 mate,

00:11:37.380 it doesn't always

00:11:38.120 translate to people

00:11:39.540 throwing their hand up

00:11:40.540 early

00:11:40.820 and all our candidates

00:11:41.940 are self-funded.

00:11:42.720 So everybody's

00:11:44.820 got some skin

00:11:45.320 in the game

00:11:45.780 and I think

00:11:46.880 that helps

00:11:47.400 with people.

00:11:48.120 We are running

00:11:48.540 genuine,

00:11:49.760 passionate people

00:11:50.600 that want to

00:11:51.580 advocate for their

00:11:52.700 communities

00:11:53.300 and they are

00:11:55.460 self-funding.

00:11:57.360 And I think

00:11:58.080 it's important

00:11:58.560 to note

00:11:59.020 that point

00:12:00.300 because it's

00:12:00.940 easy to throw

00:12:01.580 a big bundle

00:12:02.500 of cash up

00:12:03.180 and find some

00:12:04.520 corporate sponsorship

00:12:05.400 and be a bit

00:12:06.480 of a sellout

00:12:07.100 and just throw money

00:12:08.000 at candidates

00:12:08.520 who speak well.

00:12:09.460 But we don't

00:12:09.960 want that.

00:12:10.420 We want real

00:12:10.820 people from the

00:12:11.360 real world

00:12:11.780 to represent

00:12:12.180 our community.

00:12:13.100 That's what's

00:12:13.600 missing in politics

00:12:14.360 right now.

00:12:15.520 These people

00:12:16.640 that represent us

00:12:17.900 claim to have

00:12:18.380 a finger on the

00:12:18.940 pulse of the

00:12:19.360 working class

00:12:19.860 community.

00:12:20.660 They've got no

00:12:21.060 idea.

00:12:21.720 They've come

00:12:22.740 through the best

00:12:23.660 schools,

00:12:24.100 which is not

00:12:24.460 their fault

00:12:24.900 obviously,

00:12:25.500 and then fallen

00:12:26.680 into safe

00:12:27.300 Labor and

00:12:27.680 Liberal seats

00:12:28.300 and all they've

00:12:29.600 ever done is

00:12:30.140 public service.

00:12:31.260 They've been

00:12:31.700 public servants

00:12:32.320 since they left

00:12:32.920 school and they've

00:12:33.880 never put kids

00:12:34.460 through a public

00:12:34.900 school system.

00:12:35.600 They've never

00:12:35.920 owned a small

00:12:36.380 business.

00:12:37.100 They've never

00:12:37.420 done any of the

00:12:38.040 things that we do

00:12:38.680 on the daily.

00:12:39.240 Although I hear

00:12:39.720 the ads of Peter

00:12:40.460 Dutton.

00:12:40.640 We're saying it

00:12:40.980 in their own

00:12:41.460 fiscal literacy

00:12:42.300 and poor economic

00:12:43.340 management.

00:12:44.080 They've got no

00:12:44.720 idea.

00:12:45.600 Have you heard

00:12:45.980 the Peter Dutton

00:12:47.360 ad that's been

00:12:48.560 playing at the

00:12:49.140 moment where he

00:12:50.620 says, when I was

00:12:52.300 a police officer,

00:12:53.780 I, I can't

00:12:56.560 remember where he's,

00:12:57.060 he's pointing out

00:12:57.760 he used to be a

00:12:58.340 police officer.

00:12:59.220 He owned a

00:13:00.100 business and

00:13:00.820 he's trying to

00:13:02.260 relate.

00:13:02.460 My dad was a

00:13:04.360 bricklayer.

00:13:05.040 Okay.

00:13:06.200 That doesn't

00:13:06.900 translate anything to

00:13:07.860 you, mate.

00:13:08.260 Like, you

00:13:09.120 know, and you

00:13:09.420 grew up in a

00:13:09.820 working class

00:13:10.280 house.

00:13:10.620 I got it.

00:13:11.820 Yeah.

00:13:12.580 So tell me,

00:13:13.880 this is your

00:13:14.240 second, now,

00:13:15.140 second election

00:13:15.800 that you're,

00:13:17.060 you're, you're

00:13:18.020 kind of leading

00:13:18.600 the One Nation

00:13:19.480 party here.

00:13:21.120 Is that right?

00:13:22.380 Yeah.

00:13:22.700 Yeah.

00:13:22.900 Correct.

00:13:23.540 Yeah.

00:13:23.720 State spokesperson.

00:13:25.140 Look, and

00:13:26.360 I've, it's been

00:13:28.000 very rewarding,

00:13:29.180 actually, screening

00:13:30.100 candidates and

00:13:30.860 finding candidates

00:13:31.560 to run it and

00:13:32.440 trying to inspire

00:13:33.260 people to run.

00:13:34.620 And effectively,

00:13:35.620 I've found people

00:13:36.460 that have joined

00:13:37.420 for the same

00:13:37.960 reason that I

00:13:38.560 have, that run

00:13:39.180 for the same

00:13:39.660 reason I am.

00:13:41.340 You know, I've

00:13:41.840 got no interest

00:13:42.440 in self-promotion.

00:13:43.280 I'm bloody

00:13:43.560 terrible at it,

00:13:44.260 mate.

00:13:44.420 You've probably

00:13:44.720 seen my socials.

00:13:45.540 They're useless.

00:13:47.320 You know, and

00:13:48.020 most of these

00:13:48.500 people are the

00:13:49.020 same.

00:13:49.360 They're just

00:13:49.620 working class

00:13:50.260 people that

00:13:50.740 have no desire

00:13:51.560 to be, you

00:13:52.560 know, the

00:13:52.820 center of

00:13:53.180 anything but

00:13:53.640 their own

00:13:53.920 private universe.

00:13:54.820 But we

00:13:55.020 can't, in

00:13:55.980 good conscience,

00:13:56.960 sit back and

00:13:57.580 do nothing while

00:13:59.060 our country

00:13:59.900 continues to go

00:14:00.680 to the dogs.

00:14:01.180 And I think

00:14:01.620 we are on the

00:14:02.280 precipice of

00:14:02.840 social economic

00:14:03.560 collapse.

00:14:04.260 And my

00:14:04.840 daughter's just

00:14:05.340 turned 21.

00:14:06.840 And she has

00:14:08.400 nowhere near the

00:14:09.320 same opportunities

00:14:10.020 that I had at

00:14:10.700 21, just 21

00:14:11.960 years ago.

00:14:12.720 And we're

00:14:13.860 having an

00:14:14.220 response to

00:14:14.940 all get to do

00:14:15.400 something about

00:14:15.900 that, mate.

00:14:17.600 I'm still

00:14:18.260 getting over the

00:14:18.880 fact that you

00:14:19.240 have a 21

00:14:19.740 year old.

00:14:22.500 She's actually

00:14:23.080 running.

00:14:24.120 Oh, is she

00:14:24.520 running?

00:14:25.640 Yeah, yeah,

00:14:26.220 yeah.

00:14:28.620 She works in

00:14:29.280 a pub.

00:14:29.660 It's interesting.

00:14:30.140 So I've got a

00:14:31.340 different take on

00:14:32.240 the younger

00:14:32.700 generation than

00:14:33.340 most people do.

00:14:34.160 Firstly, I was

00:14:34.760 forced to eat

00:14:35.220 humble pie when

00:14:35.920 I was in the

00:14:36.400 army as a

00:14:36.880 non-commissioned

00:14:37.420 officer.

00:14:37.900 And some of

00:14:38.580 my younger

00:14:39.020 soldiers coming

00:14:39.640 from various

00:14:40.460 regions, I

00:14:40.980 wanted to be,

00:14:42.000 I didn't want

00:14:42.500 to be, but I

00:14:43.000 did adopt some

00:14:44.520 of the

00:14:44.740 stereotypical

00:14:45.440 behaviours.

00:14:46.060 Nah, this

00:14:46.460 bloody young

00:14:46.980 generation,

00:14:47.580 mate, they're

00:14:47.880 useless.

00:14:48.340 But I was

00:14:49.040 forced to eat

00:14:49.520 humble pie.

00:14:50.280 A lot of

00:14:50.820 them, specifically

00:14:51.400 from different

00:14:51.940 areas, were

00:14:52.520 very switched,

00:14:54.040 very on

00:14:54.520 point, and

00:14:55.060 yeah, very

00:14:57.320 much non-reflective

00:14:58.320 of what I've

00:14:59.060 been exposed

00:15:00.140 to in, say,

00:15:01.220 metro

00:15:01.460 Victoria or

00:15:02.180 whatnot.

00:15:03.460 Now, my

00:15:04.060 daughter, she

00:15:04.480 works in pubs,

00:15:05.440 and it's

00:15:06.160 interesting.

00:15:06.700 She tells me

00:15:07.140 all the time,

00:15:07.580 she goes, I

00:15:07.900 think you'll

00:15:08.320 find most

00:15:09.120 young people

00:15:09.900 are conservative

00:15:12.120 and don't even

00:15:13.160 know it yet.

00:15:13.980 Yeah.

00:15:14.720 You know, our

00:15:15.000 elected member,

00:15:15.660 Ricky Lee

00:15:16.060 Tyrrell and

00:15:16.420 myself, going

00:15:17.060 out and doing

00:15:17.480 events, especially

00:15:18.220 in the regions.

00:15:18.940 We have a lot

00:15:19.440 of young people

00:15:19.960 come up, and I

00:15:21.700 give them

00:15:21.960 One Nation

00:15:22.380 shirts under

00:15:23.020 the proviso

00:15:23.880 that they wear

00:15:24.520 around for the

00:15:25.420 rest of the

00:15:25.800 day, or a

00:15:26.260 One Nation

00:15:26.620 cap.

00:15:27.000 Yeah, mate,

00:15:27.400 you can have

00:15:27.840 it.

00:15:28.320 You've got to

00:15:28.640 wear it all

00:15:29.080 day at this

00:15:29.600 event, and it's

00:15:30.120 fantastic.

00:15:30.840 We get them

00:15:31.600 involved, and

00:15:32.460 it's great.

00:15:33.380 But a lot of

00:15:34.060 these young

00:15:34.860 kids, especially

00:15:35.460 the young

00:15:35.880 lads, are

00:15:36.640 doing a

00:15:40.360 backflip.

00:15:40.860 So you know

00:15:41.200 how you always

00:15:41.820 have a rebellion

00:15:43.020 against your

00:15:43.540 parents' value

00:15:44.180 sets?

00:15:44.640 You know, we

00:15:44.880 had the punts in

00:15:45.600 the 80s, and

00:15:46.180 then the goths in

00:15:46.820 the 90s, or

00:15:47.420 whatever else.

00:15:48.300 Now there seems

00:15:49.040 to be a rebellion

00:15:49.960 back towards

00:15:50.880 conservative value

00:15:52.020 sets amongst

00:15:52.540 young people.

00:15:53.100 They don't

00:15:53.640 give a damn

00:15:54.180 about people's

00:15:54.860 sexuality, or

00:15:55.640 their gender, or

00:15:56.240 any of this

00:15:56.640 crap.

00:15:57.160 They've had a

00:15:57.580 gutful of the

00:15:58.100 woke ideology

00:15:58.820 that's been

00:15:59.340 rammed down

00:15:59.840 their throats

00:16:00.340 by their

00:16:00.720 millennial parents

00:16:01.520 and their

00:16:01.860 millennial school

00:16:02.740 teachers, and

00:16:03.540 all they want

00:16:04.160 to see is a

00:16:05.240 world where they

00:16:05.740 can have stable

00:16:06.960 employment and

00:16:07.940 buy a house

00:16:08.540 before they're

00:16:09.020 30, and they're

00:16:09.520 not seeing that.

00:16:10.480 So while they're

00:16:11.240 not necessarily

00:16:12.000 engaged in the

00:16:12.620 political sphere yet,

00:16:14.040 I'm very

00:16:14.680 optimistic for the

00:16:15.420 future that that

00:16:16.080 entire generation

00:16:17.240 are rebelling

00:16:18.140 against the woke

00:16:19.180 ideology and,

00:16:20.080 yeah, adopting

00:16:21.440 conservative principles

00:16:23.040 in some sort

00:16:24.000 of strange

00:16:24.900 generational

00:16:25.760 rebellion.

00:16:26.580 It's great.

00:16:27.440 How did the

00:16:28.120 conversation of

00:16:28.740 getting your

00:16:29.140 daughter to

00:16:29.800 run, how did

00:16:30.500 that go?

00:16:31.340 Has she been

00:16:31.800 politically involved?

00:16:32.920 Has she been

00:16:33.180 part of what

00:16:33.640 you've been

00:16:33.940 doing?

00:16:35.100 And how's

00:16:35.420 her mum feel

00:16:36.000 about it?

00:16:36.660 The whole way

00:16:38.180 she's been a

00:16:38.720 part of it.

00:16:39.180 Is this like a

00:16:39.660 family thing?

00:16:41.140 She already ran

00:16:41.860 as a number two

00:16:42.580 on Ricky Lee

00:16:43.160 Tyrrell's seat in

00:16:43.900 Northern Victoria so

00:16:44.880 that we could

00:16:45.300 obviously on the

00:16:45.960 ballot label get

00:16:46.600 Ricky Lee's name

00:16:47.500 above.

00:16:48.480 There's no chance

00:16:49.200 of being elected

00:16:49.800 from that position

00:16:50.540 or, you know,

00:16:51.380 it's an absolute

00:16:52.160 broad increase

00:16:52.760 chance.

00:16:53.320 So she had that

00:16:55.220 little piece of

00:16:55.820 exposure there and

00:16:57.180 this time she just

00:16:58.120 said, yep, throw me

00:16:59.040 down, Dad, I'm

00:16:59.600 keen for it.

00:17:00.480 So look, if this is

00:17:01.740 what it takes to get

00:17:02.520 young people involved

00:17:03.340 then so be it.

00:17:04.080 We get their names

00:17:04.900 on ballot papers,

00:17:05.680 we get their faces

00:17:06.260 on core flutes,

00:17:06.960 we get them out

00:17:07.460 there speaking to

00:17:08.100 the community,

00:17:08.680 engaging with the

00:17:09.240 community.

00:17:11.800 Look, it might

00:17:12.300 take 10 years

00:17:13.020 before she takes

00:17:14.480 it serious.

00:17:15.320 No, absolutely

00:17:15.820 not.

00:17:16.160 She's tough as

00:17:16.840 nails, mate.

00:17:17.300 She's, yeah, she's

00:17:19.420 different, my

00:17:21.980 daughter.

00:17:22.340 She's very

00:17:22.640 different.

00:17:23.140 She's probably

00:17:24.120 not that I don't,

00:17:26.420 not that I lack

00:17:27.060 emotional maturity,

00:17:27.980 mate, but I think

00:17:28.580 she's an old soul

00:17:29.300 that one.

00:17:29.760 She's, yeah, probably

00:17:31.000 more emotionally

00:17:31.620 mature than I ever

00:17:32.440 was.

00:17:33.560 And tell me,

00:17:34.340 compared to last

00:17:35.120 election that you

00:17:35.900 ran, was there

00:17:36.380 anything in the last

00:17:37.080 election that you

00:17:37.640 ran that you

00:17:38.080 learnt, that you

00:17:39.780 feel like you

00:17:40.200 didn't do so well

00:17:41.660 and you learnt

00:17:42.580 off that?

00:17:45.420 Yeah, look,

00:17:45.980 definitely, I'd

00:17:47.900 say it's more

00:17:48.760 about staying on

00:17:49.780 message than

00:17:50.500 anything.

00:17:51.020 I think there

00:17:52.400 was a lot, there

00:17:54.900 was a lot of

00:17:55.780 emotionally charged

00:17:57.120 events and, and

00:17:59.360 speaking points and

00:18:00.620 whatnot in the

00:18:01.420 build up to the

00:18:02.000 last election, you

00:18:03.020 know, post-COVID

00:18:03.800 whatnot.

00:18:04.260 Post-COVID.

00:18:04.780 I think every

00:18:05.380 event I attended,

00:18:06.460 and I had no

00:18:06.900 exposure to doing

00:18:07.640 these things

00:18:08.020 previously, you

00:18:08.740 know, I trained

00:18:09.500 military staff before

00:18:11.000 at RMC and

00:18:12.100 whatnot, but I

00:18:13.200 hadn't, you

00:18:14.040 know, been to

00:18:14.500 these events where

00:18:15.180 people were

00:18:15.640 constantly shouting

00:18:16.480 out or trying to

00:18:18.000 express their

00:18:18.500 opinions through

00:18:19.100 their own, you

00:18:20.600 know, emotional

00:18:21.100 channels.

00:18:21.760 And that was so

00:18:22.720 emotionally charged

00:18:23.620 that just that

00:18:24.280 time in general.

00:18:25.120 And I think as a

00:18:25.960 result, there was a

00:18:27.000 lot of focus on

00:18:28.680 specific things.

00:18:31.420 And if you didn't

00:18:32.620 articulate yourself

00:18:33.560 a particular way,

00:18:34.460 then people decided

00:18:35.600 they were off you.

00:18:36.440 And I don't know,

00:18:37.460 I just feel like

00:18:38.900 this time around,

00:18:39.800 we know what

00:18:40.320 people want.

00:18:41.260 People are

00:18:41.720 struggling economically.

00:18:43.280 We thought people

00:18:43.820 were going to wake

00:18:44.520 up and pay more

00:18:45.380 attention to the

00:18:46.580 political sphere

00:18:47.240 after COVID and

00:18:48.280 go out and

00:18:48.960 actively educate

00:18:49.760 themselves on how

00:18:50.600 best to achieve

00:18:52.060 good outcomes

00:18:52.940 through the voting

00:18:54.080 process, but that

00:18:54.960 didn't occur.

00:18:55.620 And I think this

00:18:56.100 time around, people

00:18:56.780 really are.

00:18:57.660 People have

00:18:58.200 started to realize

00:18:59.200 that, you know,

00:19:00.960 a vote for the

00:19:01.560 major parties is

00:19:02.480 simply an invitation

00:19:03.300 to be delivered

00:19:04.000 more of the same.

00:19:04.780 And people have

00:19:05.380 finally had a gut

00:19:06.140 ful of that and

00:19:06.860 they are looking

00:19:07.420 for an alternative.

00:19:08.080 So it becomes

00:19:09.480 easier for us

00:19:10.520 as a political

00:19:11.820 party representative

00:19:12.820 to target those

00:19:14.800 people with

00:19:15.400 accurate messaging.

00:19:17.580 And it's, look,

00:19:18.520 I think the majors

00:19:19.320 are missing the

00:19:19.860 point again.

00:19:20.380 They've just not

00:19:21.020 read the room

00:19:21.600 because all you

00:19:22.620 really need is

00:19:23.240 good economic

00:19:23.880 policy.

00:19:24.800 And nobody else

00:19:25.680 seems to have a

00:19:26.720 suite of good

00:19:27.200 economic policy

00:19:28.720 except for One

00:19:29.260 Nation this time

00:19:29.860 around.

00:19:30.100 Recently there

00:19:32.820 has been, I

00:19:33.400 know, a bit of

00:19:33.780 controversy online

00:19:34.700 and it's funny

00:19:35.440 that you say

00:19:35.860 that you've

00:19:37.000 actually grown

00:19:37.900 because I know

00:19:38.960 that online

00:19:39.580 and I know

00:19:40.840 that online is

00:19:41.520 often not

00:19:42.580 necessarily

00:19:43.080 reflective of

00:19:44.240 reality, but

00:19:45.940 online there

00:19:46.920 has been

00:19:47.360 campaigns against

00:19:49.080 One Nation,

00:19:51.680 often for reasons

00:19:53.120 that I actually

00:19:53.620 support One

00:19:54.320 Nation even

00:19:54.800 more so now

00:19:55.520 because I

00:19:55.840 realize how

00:19:56.320 principal Pauline

00:19:57.760 Hanson actually

00:19:58.560 has turned out

00:19:59.640 to be,

00:20:00.680 although many

00:20:01.260 of us could

00:20:01.680 see that.

00:20:02.100 I could see it

00:20:02.460 a few years

00:20:02.900 ago, but I

00:20:03.440 think, honestly,

00:20:04.800 since October 7

00:20:05.500 it's been really

00:20:06.180 clear to see

00:20:06.840 who's principled

00:20:07.840 and who's

00:20:08.700 captured by

00:20:09.200 their crowd,

00:20:10.060 who's going to

00:20:10.600 follow, instead

00:20:11.620 of leading the

00:20:13.140 policy discussion

00:20:15.980 and the direction

00:20:17.700 of the party's

00:20:18.520 policy, they

00:20:19.040 instead completely

00:20:20.980 listen to, a bit

00:20:22.840 like how you

00:20:23.240 described the

00:20:23.880 loudest, what

00:20:25.280 did you call

00:20:25.580 them, the

00:20:25.820 squeakiest,

00:20:26.440 loudest

00:20:26.980 minority.

00:20:29.640 in the

00:20:30.400 party, but

00:20:31.240 One Nation

00:20:31.920 even had that

00:20:33.440 too, those

00:20:34.100 people that

00:20:34.620 would jump

00:20:36.340 up and down

00:20:36.880 and scream

00:20:37.480 and you'd

00:20:38.920 see them

00:20:39.280 online and

00:20:39.920 then they

00:20:40.200 would condemn,

00:20:41.560 so if One

00:20:44.640 Nation really

00:20:45.000 has grown in

00:20:45.540 that period,

00:20:46.000 that's an

00:20:46.260 amazing thing

00:20:46.900 because that's

00:20:47.340 not what it

00:20:48.360 was portrayed

00:20:48.960 online, but

00:20:49.960 there were a

00:20:50.360 couple of

00:20:50.640 things, one

00:20:52.320 that I

00:20:52.680 certainly support

00:20:53.400 is One

00:20:54.480 Nation's

00:20:54.880 stance,

00:20:55.300 obviously,

00:20:55.580 with respect

00:20:56.680 to Israel

00:20:58.000 Gaza, Pauline

00:21:00.240 Hanson's

00:21:00.740 position on

00:21:01.820 no, we're

00:21:02.760 not going to

00:21:03.060 take the

00:21:03.340 side of

00:21:03.680 Islamists,

00:21:04.240 which, you

00:21:04.920 know what, if

00:21:05.360 you've been

00:21:05.640 following One

00:21:06.180 Nation for a

00:21:06.700 long time, you

00:21:07.160 know how

00:21:07.800 passionate she's

00:21:08.500 felt about that

00:21:09.380 threat for so

00:21:10.100 many years, but

00:21:11.560 having said that,

00:21:12.300 I've seen a lot

00:21:12.860 of people over

00:21:13.580 the last year

00:21:14.280 and a half who

00:21:14.920 I thought had

00:21:15.620 strong principled

00:21:16.700 positions when

00:21:17.900 it came to

00:21:18.740 Islamic jihad and

00:21:21.240 terrorism and the

00:21:22.080 threat Islamism

00:21:23.540 poses on

00:21:24.460 Australia, so

00:21:26.500 there's that one

00:21:26.980 that I obviously

00:21:27.560 support, but

00:21:27.980 then you had

00:21:28.740 the vote

00:21:30.160 recently when

00:21:31.260 it came to

00:21:32.120 the free

00:21:34.100 speech, the

00:21:36.800 hate crimes

00:21:37.300 bill, that's

00:21:37.960 right, and

00:21:39.040 that caused a

00:21:40.340 bit of a

00:21:40.960 stir online where

00:21:42.300 people didn't

00:21:42.720 even understand,

00:21:44.600 including myself,

00:21:45.180 I didn't

00:21:45.580 understand what

00:21:47.660 the position of

00:21:48.560 One Nation

00:21:49.580 actually was,

00:21:50.120 because they

00:21:50.680 abstained from

00:21:51.580 the vote instead

00:21:53.100 of voting against

00:21:53.900 it or with

00:21:54.300 it, did

00:21:56.080 that affect you

00:21:59.000 at all in

00:22:00.380 the party

00:22:00.840 really, or was

00:22:02.440 that just

00:22:02.760 internet noise?

00:22:04.120 Were there

00:22:04.380 members that

00:22:05.040 were upset

00:22:05.540 about that?

00:22:05.960 I've got a

00:22:06.380 couple of

00:22:06.820 questions, so

00:22:07.160 I'll elaborate

00:22:07.780 just on a

00:22:08.300 couple of

00:22:08.620 background pieces

00:22:10.020 here as well.

00:22:10.800 So firstly, with

00:22:13.300 regard to being

00:22:13.960 firm in your

00:22:14.420 convictions and

00:22:15.700 backing up your

00:22:19.160 positions on

00:22:20.040 things publicly,

00:22:21.840 people, so

00:22:22.260 when you talk

00:22:23.160 about a lot

00:22:23.680 of people

00:22:24.100 that you

00:22:25.520 lost respect

00:22:26.420 for, that

00:22:26.740 you previously

00:22:27.220 thought had a

00:22:27.840 firm conviction

00:22:28.440 or a firm

00:22:28.900 position on

00:22:29.400 something and

00:22:29.820 then it turned

00:22:30.220 out they

00:22:30.500 really didn't

00:22:31.080 specifically after

00:22:31.920 October 7.

00:22:33.120 And I think

00:22:33.840 that goes back

00:22:35.180 to specifically

00:22:36.520 the major

00:22:37.020 parties.

00:22:37.400 We see it a

00:22:37.900 lot.

00:22:40.160 They compromise

00:22:41.380 their convictions

00:22:43.760 in an effort

00:22:44.380 to accommodate

00:22:45.760 the vocal

00:22:46.680 left, those that

00:22:47.980 jump up and

00:22:48.500 down and make the

00:22:49.040 most noise.

00:22:50.100 And they do

00:22:50.700 it to their

00:22:51.000 own detriment.

00:22:51.680 They just seem

00:22:52.220 to think that

00:22:52.660 those extremely

00:22:53.320 vocal minorities

00:22:54.360 are the

00:22:54.980 truth.

00:22:55.600 We've seen it

00:22:56.140 in the minor

00:22:56.640 parties as well

00:22:57.680 to different

00:22:58.480 degrees and

00:22:59.060 maybe they're

00:22:59.940 not capitulating

00:23:00.780 to the vocal

00:23:01.940 left.

00:23:02.320 They could also

00:23:02.800 nowadays be

00:23:04.620 trying to appease

00:23:05.580 that new, what

00:23:06.800 we like to call

00:23:07.700 the new woke

00:23:08.400 right within

00:23:09.420 their parties or

00:23:11.060 the woke, they

00:23:12.580 feel like if we

00:23:13.580 go down that way

00:23:14.320 we can appeal to

00:23:15.180 the woke

00:23:15.560 right.

00:23:17.040 Yeah, well

00:23:17.600 they do and

00:23:18.100 they are, we've

00:23:19.040 seen in the

00:23:19.500 Liberal Party

00:23:20.040 and I mean I

00:23:20.620 specifically use

00:23:21.720 Peter Dutton as

00:23:22.420 an example to a

00:23:23.400 certain point.

00:23:24.000 Peter Dutton

00:23:24.400 five years ago

00:23:25.120 immigration

00:23:25.560 minister, I

00:23:26.360 really liked him

00:23:27.360 back then, I

00:23:27.780 thought he was

00:23:28.080 great, whereas

00:23:28.620 now we seem to

00:23:29.760 be getting this

00:23:30.260 watered down

00:23:30.800 version of

00:23:31.300 Peter Dutton

00:23:31.780 and I think

00:23:32.140 it always

00:23:32.440 happens.

00:23:33.960 But that's

00:23:35.000 why you need a

00:23:35.500 minority, one

00:23:36.240 nation, that's

00:23:37.180 why you need

00:23:37.720 something like a

00:23:38.300 minority.

00:23:39.680 So whether it's

00:23:40.640 external to your

00:23:41.340 own party or

00:23:41.840 whether it's

00:23:42.180 internal, it's

00:23:43.120 capitulation of

00:23:43.960 your value set to

00:23:44.760 a certain extent.

00:23:45.660 Look, and as

00:23:47.780 far as damaging

00:23:50.040 ourselves as a

00:23:50.900 party, look, yeah,

00:23:51.920 the flow and

00:23:52.340 implications of the

00:23:53.420 vote on the hate

00:23:54.420 speech bill hurt us,

00:23:56.060 it was a problem.

00:23:56.980 But I think, again,

00:23:58.380 it was that

00:23:58.900 emotionally charged

00:23:59.840 space.

00:24:00.780 Now, I've just

00:24:02.340 sort of detracted

00:24:03.260 myself from the

00:24:03.980 discussion at the

00:24:04.640 time on social

00:24:05.300 media because it

00:24:06.480 is still the

00:24:07.080 echo chamber, the

00:24:07.800 educated mate, you

00:24:08.660 know as well as I

00:24:09.360 do it is.

00:24:09.780 It's the same

00:24:10.280 200,000 people that

00:24:11.460 follow Senator

00:24:12.400 Hanson, that

00:24:12.960 follow Malcolm

00:24:14.280 Roberts, that

00:24:14.720 follow Ralph

00:24:15.220 Babette, that

00:24:15.720 follow, you

00:24:16.480 know, Gerard

00:24:16.940 Rennick, it's

00:24:17.700 the same 200,000,

00:24:18.900 300,000 people

00:24:19.880 across the

00:24:20.320 country.

00:24:20.840 And it's great

00:24:21.520 that they are

00:24:22.100 staying politically

00:24:22.800 involved and

00:24:23.620 active, but it

00:24:24.840 is the echo

00:24:25.400 chamber of the

00:24:26.060 educated and if

00:24:26.880 you allow that to

00:24:27.680 determine which

00:24:28.460 way you're going

00:24:29.060 to, you know,

00:24:30.060 swing your

00:24:30.780 opinions, well,

00:24:31.840 then you weren't

00:24:32.260 originally formulating

00:24:33.660 your opinions

00:24:34.260 based on conviction

00:24:35.240 anyway, were you?

00:24:36.460 So, look, and

00:24:37.700 I think as

00:24:39.880 Senator Hanson

00:24:40.760 has always been a

00:24:41.820 staunch advocate

00:24:42.500 for both the

00:24:43.380 state of Israel

00:24:44.140 and the Jewish

00:24:45.040 people and

00:24:46.160 One Nation will

00:24:46.720 continue to be

00:24:47.420 that and continue

00:24:48.060 to play that

00:24:48.600 role.

00:24:49.220 You know, we

00:24:49.500 have no fear

00:24:50.780 of, you know,

00:24:52.560 those who

00:24:53.600 purvey

00:24:54.380 anti-Semitism,

00:24:55.360 especially here

00:24:55.820 in Victoria.

00:24:57.720 Yeah, we will

00:24:58.260 not be silenced

00:24:59.900 by these people.

00:25:01.620 She certainly

00:25:02.220 hasn't.

00:25:03.060 She's been the

00:25:03.800 first to stand

00:25:04.260 up.

00:25:04.820 With the hate

00:25:05.520 speech bill,

00:25:07.420 how did you

00:25:08.080 feel about that?

00:25:08.860 Look, I get

00:25:11.480 people that

00:25:12.300 were emotionally

00:25:14.380 enraged as a

00:25:15.240 result of One

00:25:17.060 Nation abstaining

00:25:17.740 from their vote,

00:25:18.340 but they've got to

00:25:18.880 also understand

00:25:19.960 because Senator

00:25:21.140 Hanson and One

00:25:21.820 Nation have

00:25:22.300 always been such

00:25:23.080 large, staunch

00:25:23.900 advocates for the

00:25:25.180 state of Israel

00:25:25.860 and the Jewish

00:25:27.200 people.

00:25:27.220 But why did

00:25:27.700 they abstain?

00:25:28.420 Well, it was in

00:25:30.420 the face of the

00:25:31.000 anti-Semitism that

00:25:31.940 was effectively, you

00:25:33.600 know, plaguing the

00:25:34.340 entire country.

00:25:35.200 So, on the one

00:25:36.920 hand, you have

00:25:37.560 One Nation who

00:25:38.580 want to continue

00:25:40.360 to support that

00:25:41.180 community, but then

00:25:41.980 you also see a

00:25:43.340 knee-jerk reaction

00:25:44.100 from the government

00:25:44.760 which was the

00:25:45.700 pretense for

00:25:46.640 proposing this

00:25:47.480 bill in the

00:25:47.920 first place.

00:25:49.000 So, it didn't

00:25:49.560 want to just

00:25:49.940 outright vote on

00:25:50.860 it.

00:25:51.060 I suspected it

00:25:52.960 was something along

00:25:53.500 those lines, but

00:25:54.520 you know, I

00:25:55.200 personally think they

00:25:56.740 should have voted

00:25:57.200 against it.

00:25:58.820 You know, it's

00:25:59.360 easy for me to say

00:26:00.000 that sitting here

00:26:00.700 as a Jew.

00:26:02.220 I just don't

00:26:02.660 think the hate

00:26:03.100 bill, any of

00:26:03.900 these hate

00:26:04.860 bill legislations

00:26:05.980 are ever helpful.

00:26:07.040 The one thing

00:26:07.500 that I thought

00:26:08.240 when I was

00:26:08.780 looking at the

00:26:09.540 legislation, the

00:26:10.260 part that I

00:26:11.080 would have felt

00:26:11.620 certainly conflicted

00:26:14.380 about from the

00:26:15.380 One Nation

00:26:15.720 position and my

00:26:16.420 own position

00:26:16.940 would be I'm

00:26:19.060 pro the

00:26:19.620 what was it?

00:26:22.300 The minimum

00:26:23.300 mandatory minimum

00:26:24.500 sentence for

00:26:25.580 terrorism, right?

00:26:26.600 And that's

00:26:27.120 something that I

00:26:28.120 know Paul and

00:26:28.580 Hanson's spoke,

00:26:29.720 but they're

00:26:30.180 conflating all

00:26:30.840 these issues.

00:26:31.280 That's specifically

00:26:32.000 one of the

00:26:32.580 components that

00:26:33.500 Senator Roberts

00:26:34.380 and Senator

00:26:34.880 Hanson really

00:26:35.640 wanted to hash

00:26:36.580 out.

00:26:37.320 That's why they

00:26:38.060 were requesting

00:26:38.680 to debate.

00:26:40.140 And when that

00:26:40.440 was guillotined,

00:26:41.220 that's when we

00:26:41.720 saw Senator

00:26:42.520 Roberts really

00:26:43.160 get frustrated

00:26:43.820 and go, well,

00:26:44.340 bugger it,

00:26:44.720 what's the

00:26:45.000 bloody point?

00:26:45.820 This is an

00:26:46.260 absolute stitch

00:26:46.880 up.

00:26:47.140 And I

00:26:47.340 understand his

00:26:47.960 position there.

00:26:49.060 You know, I

00:26:50.340 think half an

00:26:50.940 education is

00:26:51.620 sometimes more

00:26:52.260 dangerous than

00:26:52.900 no education

00:26:53.600 at all.

00:26:54.420 And a lot of

00:26:55.080 people that were

00:26:55.640 half educated were

00:26:56.540 out there purveying

00:26:57.280 this myth that

00:26:57.980 One Nation voted

00:26:58.780 against free speech.

00:27:00.320 Firstly, it was

00:27:00.800 hate crimes bill.

00:27:01.720 Secondly, there

00:27:02.200 was components in

00:27:02.880 the bill that

00:27:03.560 really did need to

00:27:04.480 be discussed in

00:27:05.380 Parliament.

00:27:06.140 And we do need to

00:27:07.020 create robust dialogue

00:27:08.000 around these topics.

00:27:09.120 And if we can't do

00:27:09.740 it in Parliament,

00:27:10.380 where the bloody

00:27:10.760 hell can we do it

00:27:11.500 for a start?

00:27:12.520 Now, secondly, a

00:27:14.220 lot of people were

00:27:14.860 resharing that

00:27:15.660 information when the

00:27:16.440 reality was even if

00:27:17.920 both Senators

00:27:18.760 Hanson and Roberts

00:27:19.660 had a vote on that

00:27:20.500 bill, it would have

00:27:20.980 made zero difference

00:27:21.780 when you looked at

00:27:22.320 the vote, the numbers

00:27:23.300 anyway, which they

00:27:23.940 were well aware of.

00:27:25.160 Yeah, it is

00:27:26.120 frustrating that that

00:27:26.960 information, you

00:27:28.420 know, was shared

00:27:29.220 around the way it

00:27:29.900 was.

00:27:30.120 I had people that

00:27:31.460 were, I was

00:27:32.440 speaking to about

00:27:33.000 potential candidacy

00:27:33.900 at the time, but

00:27:34.500 then pulled their

00:27:35.280 name out of the

00:27:35.760 hat and said, well,

00:27:36.240 that's it, I'm not

00:27:36.780 going to vote for

00:27:37.280 the party that, you

00:27:38.280 know, run for a

00:27:38.900 party that doesn't

00:27:40.120 advocate for free

00:27:40.860 speech.

00:27:41.260 I'm like, are you

00:27:41.580 kidding?

00:27:42.120 One Nation has

00:27:42.780 been the most

00:27:43.720 staunch advocate for

00:27:44.660 free speech in this

00:27:45.500 country for the last

00:27:46.220 25 years, you know?

00:27:48.000 Anyway, it was

00:27:48.840 frustrating, mate, and

00:27:49.620 it did hurt, but

00:27:50.360 the reality is I

00:27:51.420 think most people see

00:27:52.280 through it and most

00:27:53.320 people understand that

00:27:54.300 One Nation still to

00:27:55.600 this day is the

00:27:57.400 biggest minor party

00:27:58.400 with firm conviction

00:27:59.840 and the only one

00:28:01.200 that is a genuine

00:28:01.780 chance to become the

00:28:02.720 vehicle that's a

00:28:04.740 catalyst for change

00:28:05.440 in this country.

00:28:06.580 So the average

00:28:07.500 person, because I

00:28:08.300 dare say the

00:28:09.140 average person

00:28:09.640 probably doesn't

00:28:10.180 even, and it

00:28:11.680 goes to the point

00:28:12.400 that you made

00:28:12.800 before, where it

00:28:15.040 is the, what do

00:28:16.140 you call them?

00:28:16.660 The educated?

00:28:18.900 Echo chamber of

00:28:19.660 the educator.

00:28:20.200 The echo chamber

00:28:20.860 of the educator.

00:28:21.560 I like that.

00:28:22.240 That's a good

00:28:23.300 saying, a good way

00:28:24.680 to describe it.

00:28:26.400 But the majority

00:28:27.160 of Australia is not

00:28:28.240 in that echo chamber.

00:28:29.200 The majority, the

00:28:29.760 average person who

00:28:30.760 knows of One Nation

00:28:31.600 probably doesn't know

00:28:32.660 much about the hate

00:28:33.340 crimes bill, doesn't

00:28:34.360 know anything about

00:28:35.360 that, what they do

00:28:37.640 know.

00:28:38.340 What is it from your

00:28:39.500 perspective that they

00:28:40.220 do know about One Nation?

00:28:42.540 Well, it's interesting

00:28:43.320 you raise that point

00:28:44.460 because that's what I

00:28:45.180 see amongst a lot of

00:28:45.980 the other minor parties

00:28:46.820 that, look, I don't

00:28:50.260 blame them, but to a

00:28:51.520 certain extent they want

00:28:52.400 to differentiate

00:28:52.940 themselves and create

00:28:53.880 a name for themselves.

00:28:54.660 So they want, to a

00:28:56.040 certain extent, you

00:28:58.080 know, posture

00:28:58.560 themselves as a party

00:28:59.680 of self-righteousness

00:29:00.700 or whatever else to

00:29:01.640 try and, for some

00:29:03.880 reason, scrap it out

00:29:04.720 over a percentage of

00:29:06.020 the 3% vote instead

00:29:07.280 of expanding the

00:29:08.200 overall voter base and

00:29:09.380 then preferencing

00:29:09.940 internally.

00:29:11.820 And I think we see...

00:29:13.320 Explain that because

00:29:13.880 that's really good.

00:29:14.620 I get what you're

00:29:15.140 saying now.

00:29:16.100 I'm not sure the

00:29:16.580 viewers are

00:29:16.940 understanding what

00:29:17.520 you're saying.

00:29:18.500 I agree with what

00:29:19.220 you just said.

00:29:19.700 A lot of those

00:29:20.360 people, as we alluded

00:29:21.460 to, that are in the

00:29:22.320 echo chamber,

00:29:22.860 the educated, they

00:29:23.700 effectively make up,

00:29:25.940 you know, 2% to 3%

00:29:27.540 of the Australian

00:29:28.160 population and they

00:29:30.280 vote for freedom

00:29:31.520 friendly minor parties.

00:29:33.000 But they'll attack

00:29:34.660 one nation publicly

00:29:35.620 and we've had a bit

00:29:37.020 of this.

00:29:37.440 It's been not too

00:29:38.160 bad and I think we're

00:29:38.720 on top of it because

00:29:39.480 people want to see

00:29:40.200 unity above all else.

00:29:41.880 So they've been making

00:29:42.640 their representatives

00:29:43.300 from minor parties

00:29:44.360 accountable and say,

00:29:45.220 well, no, that's

00:29:45.760 enough of that crap.

00:29:46.740 We want to see you

00:29:47.340 work together, which is

00:29:48.360 great that people are

00:29:49.140 actively doing that,

00:29:50.720 taking apart, actively

00:29:52.580 taking a part in the

00:29:53.480 democratic process.

00:29:54.460 Now, they seem to

00:29:56.660 want to attack one

00:29:57.420 nation as a good

00:29:58.320 strategy to secure

00:29:59.400 1% or 2% or 3% or

00:30:01.420 scrap it out.

00:30:02.100 You're saying other

00:30:02.720 minor parties that are

00:30:03.640 also running.

00:30:04.360 Yeah, yeah.

00:30:04.680 We have seen a bit of

00:30:05.460 that in the past.

00:30:06.000 So basically, they're

00:30:07.080 putting their effort.

00:30:08.500 This is what you're

00:30:09.120 saying.

00:30:10.100 This is what I'm

00:30:10.820 understanding you're

00:30:11.400 saying.

00:30:11.940 They're putting their

00:30:12.600 effort, these other

00:30:13.400 minor parties or

00:30:14.040 different candidates

00:30:14.720 within other minor

00:30:15.420 parties are putting

00:30:16.500 their effort in fighting

00:30:18.560 against one nation.

00:30:19.840 Because I've witnessed

00:30:20.440 this a bit.

00:30:21.740 Or, yeah, fighting

00:30:22.680 against one nation to

00:30:24.940 fight over that 1% to 2%

00:30:27.900 in the 3% that's still

00:30:29.720 up for grabs instead of,

00:30:31.580 what did you say?

00:30:32.100 Instead of growing their

00:30:33.220 voter base beyond the

00:30:34.220 3%.

00:30:34.620 Instead of growing the

00:30:35.260 overall voter base for

00:30:36.460 the freedom and

00:30:36.960 then internally.

00:30:37.780 The freedom and

00:30:38.420 friendly minor party

00:30:39.120 community.

00:30:39.700 But look, and I think

00:30:40.620 they are suffering.

00:30:40.840 And then internally

00:30:41.560 preferencing of that.

00:30:43.380 Yeah.

00:30:43.800 Look, and I think

00:30:44.440 they're suffering the

00:30:45.160 illusion that, you

00:30:46.360 know, there is 4% or

00:30:47.600 5% there to be fought

00:30:49.060 over.

00:30:49.320 But the reality is a

00:30:50.900 large portion of the

00:30:51.780 percentage that people

00:30:52.700 that vote for one

00:30:53.580 nation don't vote for

00:30:54.580 one nation because it's

00:30:55.940 a part of the freedom

00:30:56.580 friendly minor party

00:30:57.500 movement.

00:30:58.660 As you say, as you

00:30:59.360 alluded to, they're not

00:31:00.180 paying attention to the

00:31:01.120 bigger picture.

00:31:01.600 They don't know what the

00:31:02.620 a crimes bill was

00:31:03.580 about.

00:31:03.840 They don't understand

00:31:04.580 that.

00:31:04.880 They're not paying

00:31:05.300 attention to that.

00:31:06.680 A lot of, and I'll

00:31:07.880 say a majority of the

00:31:08.700 one nation voter base

00:31:09.800 vote for one nation

00:31:10.780 because of the work

00:31:11.700 that Senator Pauline

00:31:12.600 Hanson has been doing

00:31:13.480 for the last 25 years.

00:31:14.840 They're voting for

00:31:15.400 Pauline Hanson.

00:31:16.140 Like, I don't suffer

00:31:17.160 the illusion that most

00:31:18.380 of the voters that

00:31:19.380 come to the one

00:31:19.940 nation party in

00:31:20.540 Victoria are voting

00:31:21.200 for Warren Pickering.

00:31:22.220 They don't know who

00:31:22.620 the hell I am.

00:31:23.580 They're voting for the

00:31:24.200 one nation party and

00:31:25.280 the value set that

00:31:26.020 it represents.

00:31:27.180 The brand that they

00:31:27.840 know has, you know,

00:31:30.040 been there at the

00:31:32.860 forefront for all

00:31:33.840 those years and

00:31:35.340 never backed down.

00:31:36.400 In fact, went to

00:31:37.100 jail over it.

00:31:37.920 Like, that's what

00:31:38.820 people are voting for.

00:31:40.600 She's tried and

00:31:41.340 tested and they know

00:31:41.980 and I think that...

00:31:44.000 And this is why we've

00:31:45.100 got certain seats,

00:31:46.100 especially here in

00:31:46.800 Victoria, looking at the

00:31:48.500 numbers where at the

00:31:49.600 last election, as I

00:31:50.580 said, last election, we

00:31:51.500 only ran 15 physical

00:31:52.760 candidates because that's

00:31:53.680 all we could muster.

00:31:54.820 The rest we ran

00:31:55.860 non-active candidates.

00:31:57.160 Now, there's numerous

00:31:59.340 seats around

00:31:59.940 metropolitan Melbourne

00:32:00.780 where we picked up

00:32:01.620 seven, seven and a

00:32:02.320 half percent of the

00:32:03.220 vote.

00:32:03.920 That's incredible out of

00:32:04.940 100 to 110,000 people.

00:32:07.080 Now, they're not voting

00:32:08.340 for a local candidate.

00:32:10.420 They're voting for the

00:32:11.460 one nation brand.

00:32:13.700 Yeah.

00:32:14.700 No, of course.

00:32:16.220 We know that and the

00:32:18.060 one nation brand has

00:32:20.460 been, I guess,

00:32:21.820 consistent and that's

00:32:22.820 what I think that's

00:32:24.060 what people love about

00:32:26.520 and it makes it, you

00:32:27.900 make a good point.

00:32:29.180 No matter where you

00:32:30.200 sit on that hate

00:32:33.100 crimes bill, it's not

00:32:38.240 what, it's not really

00:32:39.280 what people are going

00:32:40.020 to be voting on.

00:32:41.280 It's going to be the

00:32:41.820 internal, the different

00:32:42.900 groups.

00:32:43.620 Yes, I think, I think

00:32:45.020 I witnessed some of

00:32:46.280 the more vocal voices

00:32:48.500 and I was confused as

00:32:50.180 well, to be honest,

00:32:51.040 looking at it.

00:32:51.760 It didn't really change

00:32:53.440 my mind because I

00:32:54.400 don't think, you know,

00:32:56.160 I think I know

00:32:56.800 enough about the

00:32:58.660 people within one

00:32:59.580 nation and what

00:33:00.100 they stand for to

00:33:00.880 know that it was

00:33:01.840 definitely not a

00:33:02.680 support of the

00:33:05.540 censorship parts of

00:33:07.380 those, of that

00:33:08.500 bill.

00:33:09.960 Well, look, and if

00:33:10.840 it hadn't been a 50-50

00:33:12.220 split vote, you

00:33:13.740 didn't guarantee that

00:33:14.940 both senators from

00:33:15.940 one nation would have

00:33:16.740 been voting on that

00:33:17.460 bill.

00:33:17.900 100% you would have

00:33:18.880 seen them voting.

00:33:19.940 Yeah.

00:33:20.060 So, yeah, so that

00:33:24.560 hurt you guys a

00:33:25.560 little bit internally

00:33:26.240 but since then has

00:33:27.200 there been a bounce

00:33:28.380 back or like have

00:33:30.280 people, have people

00:33:31.700 within one nation

00:33:32.440 that, so are there

00:33:33.760 people within one

00:33:34.760 nation Victoria that

00:33:36.760 basically aired their

00:33:40.980 issue or brought

00:33:42.080 their issue up with

00:33:42.780 you and now are back

00:33:44.940 in or have they all

00:33:46.100 moved on and the

00:33:46.860 people there now were

00:33:47.900 not people that, how

00:33:48.800 was it all?

00:33:50.320 For the most part,

00:33:51.280 people just wanted an

00:33:52.140 explanation, you know,

00:33:53.700 membership party wanted

00:33:54.640 an explanation once it

00:33:55.680 was explained to them

00:33:56.400 properly because, again,

00:33:57.840 these are people that

00:33:58.700 are members but they're

00:33:59.500 still not necessarily

00:34:00.320 paying attention.

00:34:01.500 All they heard, as I

00:34:02.360 alluded to before, was

00:34:03.360 secondhand from somebody

00:34:04.460 who was half educated

00:34:05.460 which is potentially more

00:34:06.680 dangerous than no

00:34:07.420 education on the topic

00:34:08.440 and they just heard it

00:34:10.260 secondhand.

00:34:10.800 So, once they'd received

00:34:11.620 a reasonable explanation

00:34:12.740 What was the

00:34:13.200 explanation you gave?

00:34:14.520 How did you explain

00:34:15.520 it to the membership?

00:34:16.160 Well, effectively the same

00:34:16.360 but first they were

00:34:17.460 saying, you know, just

00:34:18.780 heard that we voted

00:34:19.480 against, you know, free

00:34:21.500 speech and went, well,

00:34:22.720 firstly, no, we abstained

00:34:23.820 from voting.

00:34:24.700 Secondly, it wasn't free

00:34:25.580 speech.

00:34:26.120 It was a hate crimes bill.

00:34:27.560 Speech wasn't even in the

00:34:28.420 tide but we know is

00:34:29.580 reflective of free speech

00:34:31.040 and the continual erosion

00:34:32.300 of sovereignty that we see

00:34:33.220 in this country.

00:34:33.880 Now, what Senator Roberts

00:34:36.620 was proposing that we

00:34:37.700 needed to debate this

00:34:39.300 topic based on this

00:34:40.260 reason, this reason, this

00:34:41.160 reason, that didn't

00:34:42.440 occur.

00:34:43.100 Now, the vote, I believe

00:34:44.280 the vote was, I think

00:34:45.920 it was, what, 52 to

00:34:47.640 four or whoever

00:34:48.820 turned up and the

00:34:49.900 rest were abstains.

00:34:52.160 So, there was

00:34:52.760 absolutely no way it

00:34:53.680 could have been.

00:34:54.140 There was no chance.

00:34:55.300 Yeah, look, amongst

00:34:56.300 people were sort of

00:34:57.260 had to explain to it

00:34:58.380 this way, they were a

00:34:59.580 bit more amenable to,

00:35:00.580 you know, getting on

00:35:01.980 with it.

00:35:02.340 It was more so that

00:35:04.400 they didn't like

00:35:04.920 copying flack second

00:35:06.360 hand from other

00:35:08.600 people.

00:35:09.660 We did the freedom

00:35:10.220 friendly minor party

00:35:11.260 community saying, well,

00:35:12.240 why are you still a

00:35:12.860 member of that party?

00:35:13.580 They voted against

00:35:14.320 free speech.

00:35:15.120 Well, it's interesting

00:35:15.980 because the whole

00:35:16.540 freedom, the freedom

00:35:17.840 friendly, that brand,

00:35:19.580 that's all like relatively

00:35:20.820 new because that's since

00:35:21.960 COVID.

00:35:22.320 I guess the libertarians

00:35:23.140 have been around for a

00:35:23.900 long time.

00:35:24.580 That's been the language

00:35:25.380 they've adopted many

00:35:27.100 years ago.

00:35:27.780 And this topic comes up

00:35:29.260 all the time and you

00:35:29.960 know it does as well as

00:35:30.860 I do.

00:35:31.160 Why don't you all just

00:35:32.060 merge together and

00:35:32.960 finally get along like

00:35:34.000 one giant happy party?

00:35:35.420 Well, everybody thought

00:35:36.000 that was going to

00:35:36.460 happen a few weeks ago

00:35:39.260 when Trumpets of

00:35:40.060 Patriots announced

00:35:40.940 itself.

00:35:42.260 Yeah, but look, that's

00:35:43.460 absolutely impossible

00:35:44.320 because when you look at

00:35:45.740 the various sets of the

00:35:46.780 individual parties, yeah,

00:35:48.040 on the surface, there is

00:35:48.960 a lot of crossover.

00:35:50.000 You know, we all kind of

00:35:50.780 want to minimize the size

00:35:52.160 of government.

00:35:52.900 It's become too

00:35:53.500 encumbersome.

00:35:54.520 We all want to see some

00:35:55.320 common sense policy brought

00:35:56.400 back in and we all want

00:35:57.680 to, you know, above all

00:35:59.260 else.

00:35:59.680 You know, enshrine

00:36:01.880 freedom of speech in the

00:36:02.900 Constitution as Senator

00:36:03.800 Ralph Pabetta has proposed

00:36:04.800 as Senator Hanson has

00:36:06.180 previously proposed as

00:36:07.240 well, you know.

00:36:08.260 But there is enough key

00:36:09.520 differences that if we did

00:36:10.880 merge, it would become a

00:36:11.980 problem down the track and

00:36:13.240 would end up just as

00:36:14.060 factional as the bloody

00:36:14.940 Liberal Party or the

00:36:15.760 Labor Party.

00:36:16.800 You know, there's

00:36:17.260 libertarianism isn't

00:36:18.880 conservatism, right?

00:36:19.900 There's a difference.

00:36:21.160 You know, there is a massive

00:36:22.840 amount of crossover, but,

00:36:24.280 you know, specifically at

00:36:25.700 the state level, I don't

00:36:26.560 want heroin injecting rooms

00:36:27.720 in my suburbs around

00:36:28.500 Melbourne.

00:36:28.960 All right.

00:36:29.460 That's a biggie for me and

00:36:30.900 I'm not prepared to

00:36:32.000 negotiate on that, if you

00:36:33.300 know what I mean.

00:36:33.960 So there's enough big

00:36:34.800 problem, big differences

00:36:36.020 that would cause a problem

00:36:37.040 down the track, but

00:36:38.300 there's enough crossover

00:36:39.140 that we should be able to

00:36:40.180 work together.

00:36:40.960 And that's what I think

00:36:41.980 we as a society need right

00:36:43.260 now more than anything.

00:36:44.780 There's more that unites us

00:36:45.820 than divides us and we can

00:36:46.940 work together in this

00:36:47.780 capacity.

00:36:48.260 And we need to focus on

00:36:49.880 those things first and

00:36:50.760 work out the finer details

00:36:51.860 later.

00:36:52.300 But as far as merging goes,

00:36:53.660 it's impossible and it's

00:36:54.800 a silly idea.

00:36:56.100 And I also believe that we

00:36:58.640 get lost in the noise.

00:36:59.820 While One Nation is an

00:37:00.700 identifiable household

00:37:01.820 brand, for better or for

00:37:02.880 worse, in this country, I

00:37:03.920 think if we became one big

00:37:05.720 conglomerate, again, we're

00:37:07.240 suffering the echo of the

00:37:08.680 educated illusion that the

00:37:12.300 rest of Australia is paying

00:37:13.160 attention.

00:37:13.900 They're not going to know

00:37:14.440 who this new great big

00:37:15.560 united freedom friendly

00:37:17.200 minor party movement

00:37:18.120 is, all they're going to

00:37:20.280 see is look at a

00:37:20.880 ballot paper and go,

00:37:21.660 well, I don't see One

00:37:22.240 Nation on here anymore.

00:37:23.700 Yeah.

00:37:23.980 So we get lost in the

00:37:24.920 noise, if you know what I

00:37:25.700 mean.

00:37:25.860 And I think that's a

00:37:26.580 mistake.

00:37:27.300 Which kind of also works

00:37:28.200 against, there is this

00:37:29.700 technique that's been used

00:37:32.280 over the years where you

00:37:33.260 actually create a heap of

00:37:34.920 parties just so you do feed

00:37:36.440 your preferences around.

00:37:38.680 Look, that's a great

00:37:39.360 harvesting system that I

00:37:40.920 think was first designed and

00:37:44.260 utilised to good effect by

00:37:45.660 Glenn Drury, the

00:37:46.400 preference whisperer.

00:37:47.200 Yes.

00:37:48.060 Look, and I think this is a

00:37:50.100 problem.

00:37:50.460 We've gotten rid of the

00:37:51.100 group voting ticket in

00:37:52.240 federally in all other

00:37:53.200 states because it's a

00:37:54.320 subversion of the

00:37:55.020 democratic process.

00:37:55.960 But we've still got it here

00:37:57.080 in Victoria State, which

00:37:59.140 is, it's absolute garbage,

00:38:01.360 but we have to work with

00:38:02.340 it to best effect.

00:38:03.700 So we have to ensure the

00:38:07.040 parties are maintaining

00:38:07.920 their integrity, get

00:38:09.420 together into a voting

00:38:10.640 block and preference each

00:38:11.760 other.

00:38:12.200 Now, this is the other

00:38:12.820 reason.

00:38:13.020 And this is in our best

00:38:14.420 interest not to merge

00:38:15.520 because we need more and

00:38:17.780 more minor parties to

00:38:19.440 preference each other

00:38:20.280 internally in a voting

00:38:21.320 block to secure seats at

00:38:22.960 Victoria State level.

00:38:24.360 Have you guys sorted your

00:38:26.240 preferences already?

00:38:28.180 For federal?

00:38:29.420 For the federal election.

00:38:30.800 For federal.

00:38:31.420 So I'm leaving that up to

00:38:32.680 senior leadership because

00:38:33.660 they obviously manage

00:38:34.500 preferences for the whole

00:38:35.400 country.

00:38:36.100 I'll obviously have input,

00:38:37.540 but I'll leave that up to

00:38:38.620 senior leadership.

00:38:40.100 Have they done it

00:38:41.520 already or they're

00:38:42.600 working on it now?

00:38:44.080 Look, I'm not at liberty

00:38:45.160 to discuss this yet, mate.

00:38:46.280 I feel like it's probably

00:38:47.200 still an ongoing

00:38:48.340 discussion, but well done

00:38:49.700 for trying.

00:38:50.940 So with the lower house

00:38:53.840 candidates, though, we

00:38:54.640 don't take those options

00:38:57.420 out of our lower house

00:38:58.300 candidates' hands.

00:38:59.160 You know, they have

00:38:59.700 influence in that.

00:39:00.560 I don't know.

00:39:01.440 And Queensland don't know

00:39:02.540 who's best to preference

00:39:03.500 someone in the seat of

00:39:04.580 one.

00:39:05.920 So the lower house that

00:39:06.900 gets the candidates

00:39:07.840 decide for themselves?

00:39:09.280 Correct.

00:39:10.080 Yeah.

00:39:10.280 With a little bit of

00:39:10.920 guidance.

00:39:11.380 Absolutely.

00:39:11.920 Yeah.

00:39:12.480 They know, you know,

00:39:13.180 they might have some

00:39:13.780 great independents that

00:39:14.860 aren't teals running in

00:39:15.840 their seats that could be

00:39:16.760 fantastic for their

00:39:17.700 community.

00:39:18.060 What is it?

00:39:19.000 The Muslim votes?

00:39:19.560 The ability to nominate

00:39:20.900 them in their preference

00:39:22.240 flow out of their hands.

00:39:23.400 That's just not fair.

00:39:24.540 Sorry, mate.

00:39:25.000 I spoke over.

00:39:25.620 What did you say?

00:39:26.340 I was trying to be funny.

00:39:28.420 You're a bit of fun,

00:39:28.740 nice, weren't you?

00:39:29.180 Yeah, yeah.

00:39:29.620 I was saying, you know,

00:39:31.260 that, what is it?

00:39:32.060 The new Muslim party?

00:39:33.500 The Muslim vote?

00:39:34.340 Or is that just...

00:39:36.540 Yeah.

00:39:37.420 Or that might just be an

00:39:38.240 alliance like the Teals

00:39:39.340 where they're running

00:39:39.900 just independents

00:39:40.660 everywhere.

00:39:42.000 Yeah, it could be.

00:39:43.540 But look, and I think

00:39:44.500 Glenn Drew has probably

00:39:46.080 got a hand in that too,

00:39:47.160 being Senator Payment's

00:39:49.260 advisor now.

00:39:50.660 Is he Payment's

00:39:51.680 advisor now?

00:39:52.960 He is.

00:39:53.460 He is.

00:39:54.100 Mate, I feel like he

00:39:54.880 probably instigated the

00:39:55.860 whole thing.

00:39:56.480 But anyway, good on him.

00:39:57.620 Wow.

00:39:58.900 Gosh, that guy is a real

00:40:01.960 rat, a rot on our system.

00:40:05.140 Look, he absolutely is.

00:40:07.180 If it wasn't him, it'd be

00:40:08.560 someone else.

00:40:09.620 So the point is, the system

00:40:10.940 allows people like him to

00:40:12.860 exist within it.

00:40:14.100 So whether it was him or not,

00:40:15.240 it'd be someone else.

00:40:16.220 The point is, the system is

00:40:17.320 what needs to change.

00:40:19.080 Now, I don't necessarily...

00:40:19.880 Now he can go from like

00:40:20.900 talking to anti-Islamic

00:40:22.460 parties to joining Muslim

00:40:24.140 parties.

00:40:24.580 A guy literally doesn't

00:40:26.740 stand for anything, but

00:40:27.960 he's paycheck at the end

00:40:29.100 of it.

00:40:30.400 100%.

00:40:30.840 100%.

00:40:31.800 Yeah.

00:40:33.460 Well, he's carved out

00:40:34.340 Nate Lidonez for himself.

00:40:35.740 The thing is, I know I had

00:40:37.220 discussions with him at

00:40:38.080 Victorian State last time

00:40:39.260 because the thing is, a

00:40:40.400 lot of people went, I

00:40:41.280 can't believe you were

00:40:41.920 talking to him.

00:40:42.620 I went, you don't

00:40:43.340 understand.

00:40:44.180 If you're managing

00:40:44.900 preferences in the state of

00:40:46.160 Victoria, especially as a

00:40:47.620 minor party representative, you

00:40:49.220 need to be speaking to

00:40:50.100 everyone.

00:40:50.720 Even those people who

00:40:51.680 would never vote for you

00:40:52.880 and who you'd never vote

00:40:54.740 for and who you don't want

00:40:55.760 in your preference float.

00:40:56.860 If for no other reason than

00:40:58.200 to work out who they're

00:40:59.180 working with, you need to

00:41:00.100 be speaking to everyone.

00:41:01.540 Did you guys actually end

00:41:03.100 up working with him or not?

00:41:04.680 Yeah, no, absolutely not.

00:41:05.880 Of course not.

00:41:06.760 No.

00:41:07.300 And that's, I think that's

00:41:08.600 also a testament to the

00:41:09.580 integrity of the One Nation

00:41:10.560 brand.

00:41:11.200 We weren't prepared to

00:41:12.300 compromise on our

00:41:13.280 integrity to work with a

00:41:15.000 voting bloc that could have

00:41:15.980 potentially propelled more

00:41:17.280 lefties into office.

00:41:18.260 And that's what his voting

00:41:19.720 bloc effectively does, which

00:41:21.120 is why we're still stuck

00:41:22.060 with it in Victoria, because

00:41:23.540 the Labor government and

00:41:25.540 Greens government and

00:41:26.860 Greens parties in

00:41:28.340 Victoria can continue to

00:41:30.700 re-elect, utilising this

00:41:32.900 bloc that continues to

00:41:33.880 propel more socialists and

00:41:35.740 communists into office.

00:41:36.680 So why would they try and

00:41:38.180 change a system that's not

00:41:39.140 broken for them?

00:41:40.560 Do you guys have more

00:41:41.620 volunteers than you did

00:41:42.460 last time?

00:41:46.320 It's hard to say, really.

00:41:47.560 Like, you know, it's like a

00:41:49.360 lot of people still aren't

00:41:50.200 paying attention until they

00:41:51.700 turn up to pre-poll and

00:41:52.700 don't see a One Nation

00:41:53.580 core flute out.

00:41:54.660 And then they reach out and

00:41:55.580 go, what's going on?

00:41:56.360 I didn't see anyone.

00:41:57.620 Throw your hand up.

00:41:58.760 We need more people.

00:41:59.980 Look, I'm working off the

00:42:01.860 basis that 60% or almost 60%

00:42:04.540 of Australians are voting in

00:42:05.640 that two weeks of pre-poll

00:42:06.600 now.

00:42:07.720 We know that.

00:42:09.500 And while we don't have the

00:42:10.700 boots on the ground to man,

00:42:12.460 50 boots in per electorate on

00:42:13.960 election day, we can cover

00:42:15.480 60% of the community by

00:42:16.960 manning all three or four

00:42:18.420 boots in pre-poll.

00:42:20.520 So I think that's a key

00:42:22.320 point.

00:42:23.680 So look, the intention is to

00:42:25.340 try and get those manned.

00:42:26.700 Happy to share resources with

00:42:28.240 other minor parties, freedom

00:42:29.800 friendly minor parties,

00:42:30.960 because, you know, we're

00:42:32.600 effectively trying to

00:42:33.760 advocate for the same sorts of

00:42:35.180 things as, again, we touch

00:42:36.840 on those big issues.

00:42:37.880 So, yeah, I'm not going to

00:42:39.460 specifically say, you know,

00:42:41.520 no, you're only handing out

00:42:42.620 for One Nation.

00:42:43.520 You know, we have people that

00:42:44.500 are members of other parties

00:42:45.740 that want to hand out for us

00:42:46.800 where we have a physical

00:42:47.660 candidate and their party

00:42:48.600 doesn't.

00:42:48.840 So you guys, so when you

00:42:50.340 guys...

00:42:50.680 I'm not going to preclude

00:42:51.280 other people from other

00:42:52.240 parties, members from other

00:42:53.720 parties from handing out for

00:42:54.720 One Nation.

00:42:55.280 There's no way...

00:42:55.720 No, no, but just to

00:42:57.020 clarify, so you guys are

00:42:58.260 making deals with the other

00:42:59.280 minor parties where you hand

00:43:00.420 out each other's things to

00:43:01.340 spread out.

00:43:02.000 Well, it's not deals, but

00:43:03.660 we're having discussions.

00:43:04.760 I mean, we've got a lot of

00:43:05.560 the support network, the

00:43:07.440 support networks for

00:43:08.340 everybody.

00:43:08.680 So, you know, again, it's

00:43:10.920 probably maybe 10,000 people

00:43:12.840 across Victoria that advocate

00:43:14.260 for freedom-friendly minor

00:43:15.340 parties, and they might not

00:43:16.740 be One Nation supporters.

00:43:18.100 They might be libertarian

00:43:18.920 supporters, but they might not

00:43:20.040 have a libertarian candidate

00:43:21.380 in their seat.

00:43:22.420 I'm not going to preclude those

00:43:24.060 people from handing out for

00:43:25.000 One Nation and vice versa.

00:43:27.900 Like, I just think that's how

00:43:30.120 we work together without having

00:43:31.400 to, you know, form some sort of

00:43:33.580 legal entity between parties.

00:43:35.880 We share resources where we

00:43:37.660 can, and, you know, and then

00:43:40.300 it becomes, you know, a friendly

00:43:42.260 race towards the finish line at

00:43:43.660 the end, you know.

00:43:45.500 And talking about the end, before

00:43:48.580 we wrap up, what is your, I know

00:43:51.020 what you hope happens, what's your

00:43:52.660 prediction of what will play out

00:43:54.500 in this election?

00:43:55.740 Not that your prediction's any

00:43:57.120 better.

00:43:57.400 Although you guys probably, you

00:43:59.020 run polling, so I'm assuming you

00:44:01.460 know someone...

00:44:01.880 I don't engage in that bullshit,

00:44:03.720 mate, if I'm honest, polling.

00:44:04.680 Oh, the, the, the, you guys

00:44:06.740 don't do, One Nation doesn't do

00:44:08.240 internal polling?

00:44:09.780 Oh, I've, not really, no.

00:44:11.740 Okay.

00:44:12.440 Look, I, I'm, like you, I think

00:44:14.840 it's entirely speculative, uh, but

00:44:17.280 I see a minority, um, Dutton

00:44:20.720 government with One Nation.

00:44:22.100 You do, you think it's a minority

00:44:23.080 Dutton government that's coming?

00:44:24.720 Look, my, look, I know, and you

00:44:27.100 know, that they need to flip 20

00:44:28.800 odd seats across the nation to

00:44:30.420 secure government.

00:44:31.500 Uh, I know, and you know, where

00:44:34.960 those seats are achievable.

00:44:37.300 Now, I'm not saying, I think

00:44:39.100 they've misread the room in some

00:44:40.480 circumstances and put the wrong

00:44:41.940 candidate forward, read the

00:44:43.420 demographic wrong for specific

00:44:44.780 seats where they could have had an

00:44:45.940 opportunity to flip, and I don't

00:44:47.480 think they've necessarily, I

00:44:49.660 could, again, speculation, I could

00:44:51.240 be completely wrong, but I think

00:44:52.440 they've, they've misread the room

00:44:54.040 in some of these electorates and

00:44:55.560 put the wrong candidate forward.

00:44:56.540 So, time will tell.

00:44:58.600 But your prediction is minority

00:45:00.700 Dutton.

00:45:02.000 Yeah.

00:45:02.800 That is my best case scenario.

00:45:05.400 That's what I'm praying for.

00:45:07.180 So, on that note, mate, thanks,

00:45:08.860 thanks again for joining us.

00:45:10.320 Where can people find you, uh,

00:45:12.100 whether it's social media or even

00:45:13.900 to come and, um, uh, volunteer or

00:45:17.000 whatever, get involved in what you

00:45:18.040 guys are doing.

00:45:18.480 Where can people find you?

00:45:19.860 Reach out, uh, warrenpickering at

00:45:22.100 onenation.org or jump on just

00:45:24.420 warren.pickering on Facebook,

00:45:27.180 Instagram.

00:45:28.320 Actually, I'm locked out of

00:45:29.140 Facebook at the moment.

00:45:30.000 That's a whole other story, mate.

00:45:31.460 Three times in a month.

00:45:32.640 I feel like I'm being targeted.

00:45:34.040 Anyway, um, but yeah, look,

00:45:35.620 Instagram or, yeah, warrenpickering

00:45:37.420 at onenation.org is probably the

00:45:38.920 best bet.

00:45:39.460 And look, I'd love you to get

00:45:40.900 involved.

00:45:41.400 I want people to, we are at the

00:45:42.920 grassroots level in the state of

00:45:44.160 Victoria still, uh, make no

00:45:45.800 mistake, we are, we are building,

00:45:47.640 but we are still at the

00:45:48.400 grassroots level.

00:45:49.280 So, get involved now.

00:45:50.720 There's never been a better time to

00:45:51.980 get on board with One Nation in

00:45:53.160 Victoria.

00:45:53.600 Um, and we want Victorians to get

00:45:56.160 involved and actually help us

00:45:57.580 shape policy and formulate the

00:45:59.520 direction of this party in the

00:46:00.860 state of Victoria over the next

00:46:02.060 three to five years.

00:46:02.920 So, get involved now.

00:46:05.060 Mate, thanks for your time.

00:46:06.340 Good luck.

00:46:07.620 Cheers, mate.

00:46:11.200 Well, I hope you enjoyed that

00:46:12.480 interview as much as I did.

00:46:14.100 I think he's a top bloke.

00:46:15.280 I think, um, the One Nation

00:46:17.740 Institute here in Victoria is

00:46:19.580 growing and it is an institute

00:46:20.780 around the country for good

00:46:23.180 reason.

00:46:23.780 Aussies trust that brand.

00:46:25.780 Now, we're up to that part of the

00:46:26.820 show where I go through some of your

00:46:28.480 comments through the week on the

00:46:30.140 post because as a Rebel News Plus

00:46:32.040 subscriber, I encourage you to go on

00:46:33.860 and engage in the conversation on

00:46:35.740 the stories, our stories.

00:46:37.860 So, Rebel News Australia,

00:46:38.980 uh, rebelnews.com.au.

00:46:40.200 on those stories that go there,

00:46:42.240 whether it's the videos like this

00:46:43.340 one or any of the other stories,

00:46:45.200 get involved in the conversation

00:46:46.820 and I'll read your comments here.

00:46:49.240 So, this one was obviously,

00:46:50.680 I joined Billboard Chris on the

00:46:52.900 streets of Melbourne, on the

00:46:54.540 hostile streets of Melbourne.

00:46:55.760 They certainly were hostile.

00:46:56.680 This lovely lad told us what he thinks

00:46:59.840 at the quiet part out loud where he

00:47:01.420 supports, uh, you know, this is a new

00:47:03.640 immigrant, an immigrant to Australia

00:47:05.140 from Somalia, comes here and tells us

00:47:08.620 how much he supports rape.

00:47:11.380 And I've got no right to say anything

00:47:12.820 because I'm not an Aboriginal person

00:47:15.040 so I can't, uh, say that I welcome him.

00:47:17.080 It's, it's, it's just madness and it's

00:47:18.720 crazy that we've gotten to a point

00:47:19.900 where people are so brazen about that

00:47:21.820 that they'll say it to a camera.

00:47:24.820 Not, there was not one ounce of shame

00:47:27.300 in that guy.

00:47:28.360 He was proud about his position.

00:47:30.440 And Bruce, welcome back this week.

00:47:32.560 What if that African could be sent back

00:47:35.300 time to Germany in 1938 just saying,

00:47:38.700 well, you know, he was supporting, uh,

00:47:41.040 very much, uh, some of the ideas

00:47:43.320 of Nazi Germany.

00:47:45.640 Uh, I, I understand what you're trying

00:47:47.000 to get at there.

00:47:47.780 He, yeah, um, certainly.

00:47:50.800 He also added, this world is outside

00:47:53.580 and inside out.

00:47:55.560 Um, good is now evil and evil is now good.

00:47:58.920 We must turn things around and stop

00:48:00.500 the mutilation of impressionable children.

00:48:06.160 As I often do, Bruce, I agree with you

00:48:08.420 on that one.

00:48:09.120 Jamie, Australia reminds me of Canada.

00:48:11.720 Like Canadians, it seems Australians

00:48:13.420 have been taught to hate themselves.

00:48:16.160 I mean, I mean that last white guys,

00:48:19.340 uh, was in Australia, but yes, but yet,

00:48:23.400 I mean that last white guy,

00:48:26.540 oh, the last white guy in the video

00:48:28.000 was in Australia, but yet he said,

00:48:29.840 he says he's seen a better flag

00:48:31.980 than the Australian flag.

00:48:33.340 That's messed up.

00:48:34.040 I agree with you.

00:48:35.420 Isn't it mind-boggling that somebody

00:48:37.780 in Australia, he had an Aussie accent.

00:48:40.780 He was white Australian.

00:48:42.560 He, just happy to say it straight to my face

00:48:46.560 that he thinks that there are better

00:48:48.920 countries than Australia.

00:48:50.260 Why not go there?

00:48:51.400 Go there.

00:48:51.820 That black guy sounded ridiculous

00:48:54.360 talking about how Israelis should go back

00:48:56.080 to where they came from.

00:48:57.300 Most of those people came from Israel.

00:48:59.700 Well, at least it's historically,

00:49:01.380 when you want to talk about,

00:49:02.220 in one breath, he talks about Israelis

00:49:03.840 having to go back to where they come from.

00:49:05.640 But when I put it to him that many Australians

00:49:07.660 might say that he should go back

00:49:08.760 to where he comes from,

00:49:09.860 he will deem that as racist.

00:49:11.220 Because when, bizarrely,

00:49:14.580 most Israelis are the indigenous people

00:49:17.780 of that land.

00:49:18.940 But he was, you know,

00:49:19.720 telling me at the same time

00:49:20.460 that I could not welcome him into Australia

00:49:23.680 or not welcome him into Australia

00:49:25.400 because I'm not indigenous.

00:49:27.440 You can't make this stuff up.

00:49:28.920 That would be like someone telling him

00:49:30.660 to go back to Africa.

00:49:31.900 Completely ignorant, isn't it?

00:49:33.760 No, but it's even more.

00:49:34.920 It's even more than somebody telling him

00:49:36.300 to go back to Africa

00:49:38.480 because the people that he's telling

00:49:40.220 to go back to the countries

00:49:42.500 that they came from in Israel

00:49:44.100 are actually the indigenous people.

00:49:46.180 That's like him turning

00:49:46.940 to an aboriginal person here,

00:49:49.380 an indigenous person here,

00:49:51.200 and telling them to go back

00:49:52.440 to where they came from

00:49:53.340 because, anyways,

00:49:55.060 I don't even know how to explain it.

00:49:57.960 I know that land does not belong

00:49:59.480 to the indigenous, not anymore.

00:50:02.140 Now they share it with everyone else.

00:50:04.120 And I agree with that.

00:50:04.920 That's the point.

00:50:06.100 Is Australia the, you know,

00:50:07.960 we've got to respect the people.

00:50:10.160 They're equal citizens.

00:50:11.400 Everyone under one flag.

00:50:13.000 Indigenous people have all,

00:50:15.360 enjoy all the same rights

00:50:16.560 as us here in Australia,

00:50:18.520 as Australians.

00:50:19.380 And, you know,

00:50:22.120 no one needs to go back

00:50:23.600 to where they came from

00:50:24.400 unless you don't like it here.

00:50:25.820 If you don't like it here

00:50:26.840 and if you,

00:50:27.620 if you hate what we stand for,

00:50:30.440 Western, free, democratic values,

00:50:32.280 then go back.

00:50:33.040 Like that guy,

00:50:33.960 like that Somali,

00:50:34.840 he should go back

00:50:35.980 because Somalia

00:50:37.760 was obviously so much better.

00:50:41.300 How brainwashed are these

00:50:43.480 no-hoping left-wing lunatics,

00:50:45.140 gutless, unwashed cowards?

00:50:47.920 Mate, it's pretty wild out there.

00:50:49.840 I'll be honest.

00:50:50.500 Like,

00:50:51.840 probably five years ago,

00:50:54.540 you know what?

00:50:55.120 Prior to October 7,

00:50:56.660 it was probably 80% of people

00:50:58.420 would walk up to me going,

00:50:59.360 Avi, I love your work.

00:51:00.000 And people weren't as brazen

00:51:04.300 to be so vile

00:51:07.340 and to scream out hate

00:51:08.840 as they walk past.

00:51:09.840 Now,

00:51:10.860 it's probably 50-50.

00:51:11.820 Like,

00:51:11.960 I'm getting a lot of people

00:51:12.580 walking up to me on the side,

00:51:13.860 Avi, I love you,

00:51:14.600 what you're doing,

00:51:15.180 huh?

00:51:15.680 But the leftists,

00:51:17.820 the jihadis,

00:51:19.480 the brainwashed,

00:51:21.280 the people,

00:51:21.740 there's,

00:51:21.960 I've got a few more videos

00:51:22.780 coming out this week

00:51:23.640 from that same day.

00:51:25.420 People that have no clue

00:51:26.720 are just,

00:51:28.620 they're so confident

00:51:30.080 in spewing their ignorant hate.

00:51:34.740 Qantas drops in-flight phrase

00:51:37.060 amid backflip on woke activism.

00:51:40.000 This was obviously going to happen

00:51:42.900 at some point.

00:51:44.880 People have had enough.

00:51:46.340 Let's see what the comments are.

00:51:49.500 We've got Bruce,

00:51:50.880 as usual,

00:51:51.540 since there,

00:51:52.440 since there is no,

00:51:53.300 landed acknowledgements

00:51:55.160 in Europe,

00:51:56.120 why do it

00:51:56.800 in the Commonwealth countries?

00:51:58.080 Most,

00:51:58.380 most folks

00:51:59.200 are tired of all this woke

00:52:00.900 crapola,

00:52:02.140 so stuff it,

00:52:03.200 Qantas.

00:52:05.040 Hear, hear.

00:52:06.760 I hate Qantas,

00:52:08.220 indeed,

00:52:08.940 Robert.

00:52:10.020 I think,

00:52:10.600 many people probably

00:52:11.880 share your view.

00:52:13.440 And last but not least,

00:52:15.780 we have

00:52:16.220 Kamala crashes in,

00:52:17.900 failed White House

00:52:18.960 hopeful lands,

00:52:20.020 Aussie real estate geek.

00:52:21.780 She's coming to speak here

00:52:23.140 in Australia,

00:52:24.740 isn't it?

00:52:25.920 Would you go to an event

00:52:27.200 in which,

00:52:27.700 would you pay for an event?

00:52:29.020 Who?

00:52:29.760 Which Aussies are paying

00:52:30.980 to go see?

00:52:31.620 I think I might have to attend

00:52:32.820 to find that out.

00:52:35.360 Let's see what,

00:52:36.300 do we have any comments

00:52:37.280 on this one?

00:52:38.100 We have Bruce,

00:52:40.200 may Kamala,

00:52:40.880 do just as well

00:52:43.000 in May

00:52:43.500 as she did

00:52:44.520 in the US election.

00:52:46.660 Bruce,

00:52:47.020 keep the comedy

00:52:47.760 coming, mate.

00:52:49.500 And

00:52:49.860 Bernard

00:52:50.700 says,

00:52:52.160 falling

00:52:53.160 upwards

00:52:53.960 is what

00:52:54.840 losers

00:52:55.440 like her

00:52:56.440 do.

00:52:59.180 And on that note,

00:53:01.120 guys,

00:53:01.700 thanks for tuning in

00:53:02.440 tonight,

00:53:03.120 and keep those

00:53:04.300 comments

00:53:04.740 coming.

00:53:06.440 It's what makes

00:53:07.060 our community

00:53:07.580 so great.

00:53:08.460 I appreciate you

00:53:09.340 joining me

00:53:10.140 in tonight's

00:53:11.500 podcast.

00:53:13.000 Till next week.

Rebel News Podcast - April 08, 2025

AVI YEMINI ｜ Warren Pickering on why Victoria needs REAL leadership

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