Rebel News Podcast - AVI YEMINI ｜ Why they want Tommy SILENCED： Insider speaks out

00:00:00.000 Tommy Robinson remains in solitary confinement for releasing his banned documentary, Silence,

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00:01:16.660 Welcome back to the Yamini Report,

00:01:18.280 where we talk to people making a difference, doing important things.

00:01:22.060 And I think one of the most important things that has happened in the last year,

00:01:26.380 especially in the space, in the UK,

00:01:29.900 and with regards to our very good friend Tommy Robinson,

00:01:34.640 is his political persecution and jailing.

00:01:39.240 And one man that's really making a big difference in that space

00:01:42.240 is, of all people, a yank, Don Keith.

00:01:47.260 How are you doing, mate?

00:01:48.720 I'm doing great, brother. How are you?

00:01:50.260 Yeah, good. Welcome to the show. We'll start there.

00:01:52.640 Well, thank you for having me.

00:01:53.960 Now, for people that don't know who you are or what you do,

00:01:56.440 give us a bit of a history of who this man that we've seen

00:02:00.300 taking up the cause for Tommy Robinson,

00:02:03.500 somebody probably a tenth of his size,

00:02:06.660 but we'll get into that a bit later.

00:02:09.980 Who are you and where did you come from?

00:02:12.680 Yeah, my name's Don Keith.

00:02:14.520 You know, like I said, I'm an American and I was born in South Georgia.

00:02:19.320 I'm an engineer by trade and education,

00:02:21.840 so I've done that most of my life.

00:02:23.740 And I always had an interest in politics,

00:02:26.420 but really became more involved in politics in the last few years

00:02:30.060 from a vocal perspective.

00:02:32.160 I followed Tommy for quite a few years,

00:02:34.940 probably at least 10 years, I would say, online,

00:02:38.200 messaged back and forth with him for quite some time.

00:02:40.920 And then I had a chance to go to London last year

00:02:44.740 and just looked Tommy up and said,

00:02:47.640 hey, man, I'm going to be in London.

00:02:48.640 You want to go grab a bite to eat or meat or whatever?

00:02:51.800 And he's like, sure, come on, man.

00:02:53.320 And, you know, it was like an instant friendship.

00:02:56.540 I always, you know, something strange too, though,

00:02:58.320 I always knew if I met the guy,

00:02:59.400 I said, me and this guy would be amazing friends if we ever met,

00:03:02.040 just because I think we share a lot in common with, you know,

00:03:05.500 the passion we have for our countries

00:03:07.340 and the love we have for our countries.

00:03:09.680 So, yeah, that's who I am.

00:03:11.680 That's how I got involved with Tommy and his team.

00:03:14.980 And where did you go from there?

00:03:16.640 Did he take you to one of his curry places?

00:03:19.840 No, we actually got the English roast, man,

00:03:21.900 for the first time, first time I'd ever had the English roast.

00:03:24.900 Must have been me.

00:03:25.920 Must have been he just assumed I like curries the first time we went out for lunch.

00:03:31.200 Well, he does like curries, I have to say.

00:03:33.220 He does love a good curry, Tommy.

00:03:34.760 He does love a curry.

00:03:35.580 And he goes to, you know, these full Pakistani places.

00:03:38.340 I'm like, dude, this doesn't actually fit the whole story I've been told.

00:03:42.080 What's going on, Tommy?

00:03:43.100 It's the honest thing, isn't it?

00:03:44.000 It really is.

00:03:44.740 You wonder, are they going to put something in your food?

00:03:46.760 Are you going to leave here with your head?

00:03:48.400 It's kind of, you know.

00:03:50.260 Spending time around.

00:03:51.180 Because you're with Tommy, of all people, so.

00:03:54.260 When you spent time with him around the UK, I'm assuming you hung around the UK,

00:03:59.380 and you got to see how people actually engaged with him on the street, not online.

00:04:04.280 Yeah.

00:04:05.220 What was that like?

00:04:06.120 What was your experience walking around with him?

00:04:08.580 It's a hero's welcome everywhere he goes.

00:04:10.520 And I'm not blowing smoke.

00:04:12.240 That's the honest to God's truth.

00:04:13.600 Anywhere you go with Tommy Robinson, it actually just blew me away.

00:04:18.280 Now, keep in mind, I've been, in the last year, to London six times.

00:04:24.660 I've been to five demonstrations.

00:04:26.860 I've spoke at four of them.

00:04:29.500 And I've been to Benidorm, Spain with Tommy, Portugal with Tommy.

00:04:33.460 I've been to Canada with Tommy.

00:04:34.760 Everywhere he goes, doesn't matter where he goes, people love this guy.

00:04:37.780 And they appreciate what he does.

00:04:39.500 They say, thank you, Tommy.

00:04:40.900 Thank you so much for what you're doing, because everybody knows he's a passionate patriot.

00:04:45.240 Regardless of what you hear in the media, the truth is the people love him.

00:04:49.040 And I'll tell you what was one of the most telling, one of the most memorable experiences

00:04:52.280 I had with him as far as an encounter with another person was when we were walking through

00:04:56.760 the airport.

00:04:57.860 You know, Tommy has this in the media, they call him a racist, an Islamophobe, and all

00:05:02.140 these catchphrases that they love to call all people who are conservative.

00:05:07.020 We were walking through the airport.

00:05:08.080 I'll never forget this black man with his family.

00:05:10.440 I had a little boy and a little girl and his wife, whole family.

00:05:14.240 Guy walks up to Tommy, bumps his fist.

00:05:17.060 Tommy bumps his fist, said, what's up, bro?

00:05:18.660 Guy walks away.

00:05:19.360 And I hear the little boy says, dad, who was that?

00:05:21.140 He said, that's Tommy Robinson, son, a man who knows.

00:05:25.660 So it blew me away.

00:05:27.000 I was like, here's a guy that you hear all over the media, you know, call it the racist

00:05:31.660 and the worst, you know, slurs that you can imagine.

00:05:34.780 But when you meet the actual people, they just love the guy and they know that it's all

00:05:39.040 a lie.

00:05:39.500 I don't know if even the media understands how much the people realize that they have their

00:05:46.460 number.

00:05:46.820 They know they're lying about everything.

00:05:48.500 So it's a great experience.

00:05:50.220 What I witnessed that was interesting to me is that it wasn't only a hero's welcome from

00:05:57.500 who you'd expect, you know, I guess, football, white football hooligans. 0.75

00:06:02.060 It was actually like even young Muslim lads were coming up to him for photos and he would

00:06:08.980 talk to literally anyone.

00:06:11.800 He was cool with anyone.

00:06:13.660 He'd have a joke with anyone.

00:06:15.600 You know, he was, they were coming up going, I remember a couple of lads, a couple of young

00:06:20.400 Muslim lads came up to him and go, hey, Tommy, can I get a photo for the boys?

00:06:25.280 Yeah, for bands. 1.00

00:06:26.460 And his homie's like, no, fuck that. 1.00

00:06:27.520 Let's do a video. 1.00

00:06:28.400 And does like a whole video, you know, that's going into like a group of Muslim young men

00:06:36.340 who they were genuinely excited by being around him.

00:06:41.300 And I found it amazing because it's just in complete contrast to how he's described in

00:06:49.480 the media.

00:06:50.160 And I did see with my experience with him hanging around, he'd be nice to anyone.

00:06:56.860 But if, you know, if things changed, he could go from zero to a hundred in like I've never

00:07:03.740 seen it.

00:07:04.420 You know, I had experiences with him where we would be at a, you know, it was actually

00:07:09.560 funny.

00:07:10.420 It was in Luton, around Luton area where we were at the time.

00:07:14.280 And he, and, and he goes, oh, we were going to go out one night with a couple of the guys.

00:07:20.680 And we had a couple, a couple of girls from America, I think as well with us, whatever.

00:07:25.100 We, you know, but he had to select where we're going to go out.

00:07:27.500 So he goes, you know what? 0.98

00:07:28.580 The place I love to go to is this gay bar because the Muslims are never there. 1.00

00:07:32.680 So it's just like, it's just, you can go and have a good time and, you know, and we

00:07:37.760 get there and, you know, by luck that night, there happened to be a group of a couple of

00:07:42.900 Muslims there, which I do have questions. 0.55

00:07:47.560 Oh yeah.

00:07:48.760 But, but anyways, and he was chatting, they were big lads, like big ones.

00:07:53.560 Um, and, and I saw it, like I was, I wasn't next to him at the time.

00:07:57.340 Like I was standing back and I remember I watched and it looked like all banter at first.

00:08:03.600 And, and then I saw them trying to put it on him because he's, he's a small guy, Tommy.

00:08:09.300 And they were like towering over him.

00:08:11.700 Yeah.

00:08:12.280 And, um.

00:08:13.000 He's fearless though, man.

00:08:14.140 He's fearless.

00:08:14.780 Oh, and I watched it and I saw like, and I could see, I could read his body language even

00:08:19.160 like, you know, a few meters back. 0.85

00:08:20.840 I'm like, oh crap, this is escalating.

00:08:22.140 And I'm like, I go towards him and it's already basically kicking off.

00:08:26.980 Um, he's just, he, he, he, he won't, you know, he doesn't, he's happy to be friends with anyone.

00:08:31.920 But as, as, as, as soon as you threaten his, his, his personal space or you try to put it on him, he'll, he'll flip.

00:08:39.160 Now security ended up, this was back when, I don't know if you used to follow him.

00:08:43.440 Oh, you said 10 years you've been following him?

00:08:45.320 About 10 years, yeah.

00:08:46.180 Yeah.

00:08:46.480 So 2000, actually a little longer, probably about 2011, 2012.

00:08:50.820 Oh, there you go.

00:08:51.520 So you'll remember the period where he had like Facebook, where he would go on, he would go live on Facebook and there'd be, he'd be walking down the street and just go live like five times a fricking day.

00:09:04.660 And, and then, and 30, 40, 50,000 people would just watch him live because the way he communicated was so real, so raw. 0.93

00:09:14.460 And the bonus was often shit just happened with this guy just walking down the street. 0.84

00:09:20.800 Like he was the most entertaining person. 0.76

00:09:22.920 And so this was in that period, it was at the end, like right before they banned him off Facebook.

00:09:28.560 So it, it probably, it must've been 2017, 2018.

00:09:32.680 It was right before they, they kicked him off.

00:09:34.240 And I remember security dragged us out and, and basically left those three guys upstairs.

00:09:41.120 And he goes, listen, lads, you didn't see what happened.

00:09:44.120 Go into the, go look at the security cameras, look at exactly what happened.

00:09:48.280 I did not start these, these lads put it on me.

00:09:51.380 They tried to, and I just reacted.

00:09:53.620 He goes, if you don't, he goes, I don't care if they stay, you can let them stay.

00:09:58.320 But if you, if you kick us out for them trying to start a fight with me, I'm going to have 10,000 people out here at a protest tomorrow.

00:10:06.680 You know, we're on the piss a bit, but, but they knew he wasn't joking.

00:10:11.820 And they went and checked, they went and checked the security cameras and they go, boys, boys, come come.

00:10:16.080 And they let us back in and, and I think they, I think they kicked the other guys out at the end, but I don't know why I got into that story.

00:10:23.620 It shows a few things.

00:10:25.080 It demonstrates that he's actually nothing.

00:10:27.800 He's nothing like how they describe.

00:10:31.200 He's one of the most genuine people. 1.00

00:10:33.760 Does he, does he do some stupid shit? 1.00

00:10:37.460 100%. 1.00

00:10:38.540 But that's what makes him so raw and real.

00:10:42.780 Like he's not, he's not.

00:10:44.860 He's a real person.

00:10:45.320 Exactly.

00:10:46.360 And he's, and he also comes from a certain culture that even I don't like particularly get, you know, the whole football hooligan culture is a bit wild when you think of it.

00:10:55.220 And like when I first got there and he was explaining to me about how it works, you know, he goes, dude, that, that, he goes, I love that stuff.

00:11:01.380 You know, going to the, going to the games, it was hooligans.

00:11:05.100 It was basically organized fights between consenting adults.

00:11:09.540 He goes, what's the difference between that and, and, and a boxing match.

00:11:13.340 He goes, if one lad would hit somebody that's not part of the firms, both firms, his own firm would turn on him.

00:11:22.780 He goes, it's like a code.

00:11:24.260 It's like, it's, it is, it's a culture.

00:11:25.820 Now I don't get it because I do everything in my life to avoid getting punched in the face, but that's, that's not, but that is what built the guy.

00:11:34.320 That's what created a man that walks around fearless.

00:11:37.740 And he is genuinely like, as far as fearless you can go, Tommy Robertson is that.

00:11:45.500 And I know that because like, I, I know just the amount of hate that I get.

00:11:50.540 Yeah.

00:11:51.140 And, and the amount of precautions and security I've got to take here in Australia, he's about a hundred, a thousand times worse.

00:11:58.940 I've witnessed it just walking down the street and with his family that, but it never stopped him.

00:12:05.420 He never, ever, ever backs down.

00:12:07.840 Most people would quit at the first sign of, of, of, you know, trouble where, where you're, you're threatened or you're anything like, but he, he's been, he's been hit.

00:12:19.020 He's been attacked.

00:12:19.740 He's been jailed.

00:12:20.660 He's been, he's had all his teeth knocked out in jail.

00:12:23.260 So, yeah, well, that, you know, what you're talking about, it defines him on a personal level, but it also defines him.

00:12:29.360 That same spirit defines him in his politics too.

00:12:31.620 And his activism.

00:12:33.240 That he has with, with people individually in that fighting spirit.

00:12:37.880 That's what takes Tommy through his activism and the way he's willing to fight the government and risk his freedom and safety and security and, and, and everything.

00:12:45.700 You know, that's who Tommy Robinson is down to his core.

00:12:48.320 And the fact, the fact that he never, um, and, and this is a, an important one these days, because I think since in the last year and a half, whatever it is, we've seen a lot of people, uh, captured by their audience.

00:13:03.300 A lot of people, especially on the right people that I used to follow, just suddenly there was this shift and they're all following their audience instead of leading.

00:13:12.420 And Tommy is one of those guys that never falls for that.

00:13:16.100 He's been consistent on everything.

00:13:18.660 He was consistent when everyone loved him on it.

00:13:21.420 He was consistent when people who loved him turned on him.

00:13:24.940 He didn't care.

00:13:25.980 In fact, it's crazy that they ever called him a Nazi or whatever, because he's like one of the only guys.

00:13:32.500 In fact, he's probably the only guy in the world that I know that got done for actually punching a Nazi that refused to leave his protest. 0.59

00:13:40.980 It's like, you're talking about, and, and, and then the media uses that exact story against him to say that he's a, you know, like he's a violent, he attacked a protester.

00:13:51.700 And it's like, hold on.

00:13:52.840 What was the context of that?

00:13:54.140 You mean he punched a Nazi that refused to leave his protest.

00:13:57.740 Now, you may not agree with, with dealing with matters in matters like that, but you're the media that you call him a Nazi all day, but you leave out the fact that he's actually the one that hates Nazis.

00:14:11.900 And when so many, um, you know, so many, so much of his fan base, like there would, there would be a, it would be a lot easier for Tommy Robinson.

00:14:22.340 I often ask him this, it would be a lot easier for Tommy Robinson in 2024, you know, before he got locked up to have turned against Jews, to turned against Israel turn.

00:14:34.020 Um, because.

00:14:35.280 Well, he worked for Mossad though.

00:14:36.580 Right.

00:14:36.880 So he can't do that.

00:14:37.680 I know.

00:14:38.020 I signed his paychecks.

00:14:40.040 Because he wears the Mossad t-shirt.

00:14:41.820 That's what Mossad agents do.

00:14:43.380 They wear a t-shirt that says Mossad.

00:14:44.460 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:14:44.480 We all, we all wear it.

00:14:45.580 We all wear it.

00:14:46.500 This is actually rabbi news.

00:14:48.840 Um, but, but the, the thing is, it would have been so much easier for him because it's not like the Jewish establishment, the, the Jewish community establishment, they haven't been good to him.

00:15:00.080 So he's got no loyalty to them.

00:15:01.760 Um, he, you know, after COVID, he actually, I think he got a lot of sympathy from, uh, even, uh, a lot of young Muslims.

00:15:09.880 In, in, in, in Britain.

00:15:12.140 Uh, he, that, that, that kind of blew up for him as well.

00:15:15.220 Um, and his own base, so many in his own base that follow other people and kind of got caught in that rabbit hole, uh, you know, after October 7th.

00:15:25.840 Uh, he could have done what everyone else did, which is easier.

00:15:29.780 And we, we've seen some of the big names in America do it.

00:15:33.280 Um, and, and they flip flop on issues.

00:15:35.340 Like, somebody like Alex Jones, I think flip flops on those issues really based on what the viewer, what he knows his fan base wants.

00:15:43.140 Tommy never does that.

00:15:44.340 Never did that.

00:15:45.440 Because for him, it's always been about this issue going.

00:15:49.020 There is a threat against our Western civilization, against Britain for him, but he looks broader than that. 0.66

00:15:56.240 And that threat is an ideological threat.

00:15:59.980 Um, and yeah, you can get short term.

00:16:04.120 And he's explained it to me, not in these words.

00:16:06.360 He goes, you can get short term, uh, success by turning against the Jews. 0.67

00:16:10.040 But the fact is, if you look at those that are doing that, you look at someone like Candace Owens that has started doing that, suddenly she's excusing all the Islamists. 0.86

00:16:18.260 She refuses to call out jihad.

00:16:20.160 She actually blames the Jews for the hate against the Muslims and pretending like there's nothing actually, you know, systemically wrong with the ideology.

00:16:29.100 Um, what is it, what is it that first attracted you to, to following Tommy?

00:16:34.840 What was it?

00:16:35.220 Do you remember?

00:16:36.740 It was definitely his passion.

00:16:38.300 And I liked the way I liked, I liked his fight, probably his fight and his spirit.

00:16:41.380 You mentioned that earlier.

00:16:42.160 We talked about that, but, uh, seeing him on the, on the streets when he was by himself, maybe there were one or two guys with him or something.

00:16:48.240 But these Muslim guys would come up to him in the street and he would just talk smack to them and didn't care. 1.00

00:16:53.540 Didn't care how big they were. 0.81

00:16:54.840 Didn't care if he was by himself.

00:16:56.080 And he would just, and the guy, I don't know how well you know him, but he's, the guy is hilarious.

00:17:01.500 I mean, he's so funny.

00:17:02.780 He keeps you in stitches.

00:17:05.040 But, you know, I tell people ask me that question a lot.

00:17:07.540 How did you, an American, a country boy from South Georgia, get hooked up with this guy from Britain?

00:17:12.780 And, uh, you know, it's just something about him that I've always liked.

00:17:16.440 And I kind of, in Australia, you guys have like a Ned Kelly or I think Edward Dunlop, one of your big, big heroes there.

00:17:24.060 If you could, if somebody brought you a time machine and said, Hey, you, you can take this time machine, but you can only go back and see Ned Kelly or Edward Dunlop.

00:17:31.180 Would you, you'd like to go do that, hang out with him, right?

00:17:33.740 But we don't really have the option of going back and hanging out with the heroes.

00:17:36.860 You know, we'd love to hang out with and just see what it was like.

00:17:39.220 But, you know, I tell people Tommy's alive today and I see him as that type of folk hero.

00:17:43.500 And I think in the future, history is going to remember him that way.

00:17:46.820 And so if I have a chance to hang out with somebody like that, like Tommy, who has that passion, then I'm going to do it.

00:17:54.380 And, you know, because he instills, he inspires me to be passionate that way.

00:17:58.860 He inspires me to be passionate for his country.

00:18:00.880 I'm passionate for my country.

00:18:01.980 But now I'm passionate for his country because he loves his country so much.

00:18:05.120 I mean, you know, I'm an Anglo-Saxon, you know, heritage.

00:18:09.600 So, I mean, my people are from England and Ireland anyway.

00:18:13.080 So, I mean, that's really my motherland as well.

00:18:14.880 So, yeah, I'm passionate about him.

00:18:16.660 I'm passionate about the British people.

00:18:18.340 I really feel for them now that I've learned more and educated myself more and got to know people in the movement.

00:18:26.200 Tommy and his team and everybody, Richard Inman and all those great people who've educated me a little bit more.

00:18:31.860 And what's really going on as far as the law and how the government's coming down on them, cracking down it.

00:18:36.380 Really, my heart really goes out to them.

00:18:38.360 So, I'm very outspoken about, I mean, I think half my Twitter feeds about, you know, the UK and half my Twitter feeds about here.

00:18:46.260 And I guess that's probably because I feel like I'm probably a dime a dozen over here.

00:18:50.900 And I'm probably, you know, a small voice over here.

00:18:53.120 But I feel like I can make an even bigger impact over there maybe.

00:18:56.880 You know what I mean?

00:18:57.320 Because there's so many people like me here.

00:18:59.180 I feel like maybe I can even help more there than I do here.

00:19:04.820 I don't know.

00:19:05.540 No, man, to be honest with you, I can't put my finger on it.

00:19:07.420 It's just Tommy's such a passionate guy.

00:19:09.960 I mean, and anybody who meets him and hangs out with him for any amount of time, they just fall in love with the guy.

00:19:14.160 Just because he's just a solid, he's a loyal dude.

00:19:17.100 I mean, he's got your back.

00:19:18.100 If you're a friend of his, man, he's going to have your back.

00:19:22.060 He's a ride or die friend, man.

00:19:24.080 And I can tell you that, like, in ways that people don't even know personally.

00:19:30.340 So I used to work for him back before I worked for Rebel.

00:19:34.180 I didn't know that.

00:19:35.240 Yeah, Tommy was actually the one that got me into Rebel.

00:19:37.680 But so I worked for Tommy, I think it was 2018, 2019.

00:19:43.580 He had TR News at the time.

00:19:44.960 That was his.

00:19:46.000 Okay, yeah, I remember that.

00:19:47.240 And I got into, I had a case.

00:19:54.960 I've just got to be careful how I say it, just because of Australian words.

00:19:59.140 No, it was.

00:20:00.600 You guys are all alike.

00:20:01.860 I know all of you.

00:20:02.920 Look, it's.

00:20:03.960 No, no, it wasn't criminal.

00:20:06.020 It was.

00:20:07.280 I needed.

00:20:08.200 I was going through a really bad time.

00:20:11.560 It was to gain access for my kids.

00:20:13.500 But I needed, for my kids.

00:20:15.240 But I needed, in one day, and nobody knows this.

00:20:18.580 I don't think I've said this anywhere.

00:20:20.140 But I needed, in one day, I said to him, I had to pay the lawyers so that they would show up.

00:20:24.260 And they said 25, I needed 25,000 Australian dollars, I think it was.

00:20:33.820 Or no, 25, no, I think it was 25,000 pounds.

00:20:36.260 I think it was like 50,000 Aussie dollars at the time.

00:20:40.080 And he goes, ah, don't worry about it.

00:20:41.960 Don't, like he knew, he was, I was talking to him, I was like stressed, because I didn't,

00:20:46.360 I just did not have that kind of money.

00:20:48.660 He goes, bruv, don't worry, nah, I'll have it to you by the morning.

00:20:51.540 Don't worry about it.

00:20:53.020 And I, like, I didn't sleep that night, because I thought, like, I trusted him 100% about everything,

00:20:59.860 and it wasn't his problem.

00:21:01.060 This was not his problem.

00:21:02.140 And in the morning, it was there, and it was sorted, and the lawyers were paid, and he expected nothing, nothing in return.

00:21:11.160 Like, he's just a genuine, loyal person that will have your back.

00:21:18.020 And that's why, and I think that that translates into his politics as well.

00:21:22.420 You know, I talked to him since then, probably, you know, before he went, before he got locked up. 0.95

00:21:29.840 We would talk probably once to twice a week, like just, or just shit, like, you know, not even talk.

00:21:38.620 It's just WhatsAppping, you know, either funny or real stuff. 0.50

00:21:42.460 You know, you could go between, I think my WhatsApp messages with the guy would be bizarre, I think, to many people,

00:21:51.560 because we could have two conversations going at once.

00:21:54.620 Like, you would have this full banter while something, like, really serious, and they're kind of, you know, 0.99

00:22:01.920 I'm answering the banter, then the real, and it's just like, holy shit, these people are bipolar or something. 0.99

00:22:09.200 What is wrong with this conversation? 0.99

00:22:10.820 Yeah, yeah.

00:22:11.620 But that's just kind of cool.

00:22:12.480 No, no, no, no, exactly what you mean.

00:22:14.420 So, I think now everybody knows.

00:22:19.080 Let's quickly recap on what's happened with him, because you've been right around this issue from the beginning.

00:22:25.920 So, remind us why he got locked up now, and then update us, because I'm sure you, I think you've been to see him,

00:22:36.020 or you've been speaking to him.

00:22:37.860 Yeah, I saw today that Mayor Toosie got in to see him, and Mayor says he's going to break his NDA and report on him.

00:22:45.740 I haven't seen that report.

00:22:46.620 I just looked, actually, right before you and I got online, and I didn't see anything.

00:22:51.900 So, I'm waiting very patiently on Samy Woodhouse, who's joined.

00:22:58.420 Yeah, Samy was with him.

00:22:59.600 That's right.

00:23:00.180 I think she also went to see him, and they allowed her in.

00:23:03.000 So, there seems to be a shift there.

00:23:04.580 But just remind us, for the viewers here in Australia that are not across this full story, remind us what happened.

00:23:11.740 Why is he locked up now?

00:23:12.900 Tommy is currently locked up because he made a documentary film called Silence.

00:23:18.620 There was a video, a 30-second video clip that went around in the U.K. a couple years ago.

00:23:25.300 It was an English boy and a Syrian refugee who were basically in a little schoolyard scuffle.

00:23:33.040 Of course, the media plays the one clip where the white English boy...

00:23:35.900 Did you ever meet the boy?

00:23:36.900 Did you meet Bailey?

00:23:37.820 I didn't.

00:23:40.420 I think maybe it shook his hand.

00:23:41.980 I saw him at one of the demos.

00:23:43.020 I can't remember if I spoke to him or not.

00:23:44.540 But, yeah, I've seen him around.

00:23:45.720 I was there around that time, and Tommy took him in.

00:23:49.360 I don't know if people know this.

00:23:50.540 I don't even know if...

00:23:51.400 I know, yeah.

00:23:52.280 That just goes to show who Tommy is.

00:23:54.180 I mean, he took the kid in the...

00:23:55.480 He literally put him up in a house with his family because the government wouldn't protect the family.

00:24:00.600 So this kid, they destroyed his life because they made it like he was this big evil bully picking on this Syrian refugee, and they...

00:24:11.800 Well, Piers Morgan said he deserves severe retribution, and it was after, sometime after that, and Bailey tried to commit suicide.

00:24:19.600 That was another reason Tommy took him in, was kind of take him under his wing and help him because he was having so many problems at school.

00:24:23.980 But, of course, the media took that story and ran with it, and, I mean, people, like, at such a high level of media, as Piers Morgan, a grown man, think about being a man in your 50s, saying that a 15-year-old boy on national television should suffer severe retribution.

00:24:40.460 I think we've come to learn that Piers Morgan will say anything for clicks.

00:24:44.100 Anything for clicks, but it's really despicable.

00:24:46.380 So, basically, the reason Tommy's in there is because the whole thing went to court, because Tommy did an investigation where everybody was castigating young Bailey and blaming him for what happened.

00:24:57.700 They said he waterboarded the refugee.

00:25:01.880 Well, it turns out, after Tommy's investigation, the Syrian refugee had threatened to rape Bailey's young sisters earlier.

00:25:09.460 So, Bailey was taking up for his sisters and giving them a little bit of what for, you know, saying,

00:25:14.060 Don't talk about my sister. Don't say that to my sister. You're not going to say that.

00:25:16.980 So, he's just defending it. It wasn't waterboarding him at all.

00:25:21.360 And then more of the investigation revealed that the, I believe it was the Kirkley's Council paid $250,000 to the staff of that school there to keep them from talking about anything.

00:25:37.120 They made them all sign NDAs. They could not discuss anything they knew about this Syrian refugee, who, it turns out, had several instances at the school where they had been found with a knife.

00:25:47.340 He had stabbed a boy with a protractor or a compass, I think they called it, at school.

00:25:51.920 He had been in detention. He would call grown women bitches at school. 1.00

00:25:54.820 So, this kid, this Syrian refugee that had threatened to rape Bailey's sister, had all of these altercations at school that the media never reported. 0.99

00:26:04.020 The media never, Pierce Morgan didn't send anybody out to investigate that. 0.74

00:26:07.840 They just went with the headline because it suits their narrative that all the refugees are good and, you know, white man bad narrative.

00:26:14.920 That's what the media wanted to portray.

00:26:16.640 Well, it turns out, it was actually the refugee who was not, who was, who had really provoked Bailey by threatening his sisters. 0.95

00:26:23.940 And all of these goings on, but the media chose to bully young Bailey.

00:26:27.360 And so, after all that was discovered, the case goes to court.

00:26:33.100 And after the trial, or during the trial, towards the end of the trial, you know, after Tommy brings in five witnesses who all attested to what I just told you about this Syrian refugee.

00:26:44.460 The young Syrian refugee had nobody as witnesses, right? 0.98

00:26:49.100 The judge in the case said that all five witnesses were lying, and the only one telling the truth was a Syrian refugee.

00:26:55.380 And so, he awarded Tommy, because it was a civil suit against Tommy, because of Tommy's reporting.

00:27:01.180 They awarded whatever the month, I believe it was 100,000 pounds is what the kid was awarded in damages.

00:27:08.020 And they said Tommy cannot play his film silence.

00:27:10.320 And I think there was also, I think it might have been 100,000, but then it was also the costs were like way over that.

00:27:19.460 It was like 1.6 million total pounds.

00:27:23.360 But I think the award was actually only 100,000.

00:27:26.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:27:26.840 The cost was in the millions, as I understand it.

00:27:29.760 But then, so the judge says Tommy can't play the film.

00:27:33.820 Well, I was at the demo when Tommy played the film and decided, you know what, I'm going to get the truth out there.

00:27:38.960 I'm not going to let Bailey's reputation be tarnished forever.

00:27:43.300 I think he's messaged to me that day going, bruv, I'm getting locked up.

00:27:48.840 Yeah, yeah.

00:27:50.660 And he knew what was going to happen.

00:27:53.260 And so that's what happened.

00:27:54.780 He played the film and then Elon Musk retweeted it.

00:27:57.300 And as of now, it's got, I believe, 162 million views.

00:28:00.700 That's the Streisand effect. 0.74

00:28:02.060 They didn't want anyone to see it.

00:28:03.600 And the thing is, like, he genuinely, now might be a bad time to ask him.

00:28:13.500 But once he actually gets out and gets past it, he's going to look back and he's going to say, I know what he's going to say.

00:28:18.980 He's going to say he would do it again.

00:28:21.040 Because, obviously, that's what he wanted.

00:28:25.340 He wanted people to see the truth.

00:28:26.900 And it's insane.

00:28:27.500 The idea that so many of these commentators, like Piers Morgan, who refuse to say that it's a political persecution, that, you know, they sit on the technicalities of it.

00:28:38.160 No, this was contempt of court.

00:28:40.480 Yes, it was contempt of court.

00:28:41.660 Now let's break down.

00:28:42.600 What was the contempt of court?

00:28:44.540 Why was he in contempt of court?

00:28:46.220 Why did he choose to play that film? 0.81

00:28:47.700 Well, let's look at this ridiculous trial where you said five witnesses were all lying and the one Syrian refugee was telling the truth. 0.78

00:28:55.820 But even forget that.

00:28:58.900 Let's pretend the judge was right and all Tommy's mates and all Tommy's witnesses and everyone is wrong and it's just that one.

00:29:07.260 It was a video showing, you know, footage of people who didn't realize they were being filmed speaking the truth.

00:29:19.760 You know, they didn't have a reason to lie.

00:29:21.840 They didn't.

00:29:22.380 Not the worst at all.

00:29:23.300 They hadn't signed and they didn't know that he was being filmed.

00:29:26.840 So the NDA didn't matter.

00:29:28.200 Like all these people just saying how they feel.

00:29:30.800 Why shouldn't the public be allowed to see that?

00:29:33.980 Not even in Tommy's defense.

00:29:37.320 In Bailey's defense.

00:29:38.540 Why would the Kirkley's council pay $250,000 for all the staff to sign NDAs and not talk about what they knew about this boy if they were all telling the truth?

00:29:48.080 To me, that's kind of the nail in the coffin.

00:29:49.500 If you're paying people to be quiet, then you're guilty.

00:29:52.540 Period.

00:29:53.420 End of story.

00:29:54.060 Yeah, you're paying to be quiet and it's insane to me that the mainstream media, the two reasons why they went so hard in order to protect the boy and ignore any evidence saying anything else.

00:30:12.700 So the evidence being footage of people that were there, people that know the boy, people that witnessed what the boy did.

00:30:20.480 People not on the stand, people in their natural place telling you actually like it's pretty crazy what really happened.

00:30:27.040 And the reason why they didn't stand up for Bailey and they stood up for the refugees, firstly, the identity politics of it.

00:30:34.900 The Syrian refugee is always going to be innocent. 0.99

00:30:38.640 The white British, I don't know, they don't call them colonizers there, do they?

00:30:44.680 Because it's the only place they didn't colonize.

00:30:46.400 Yes, they colonize this here as well.

00:30:47.940 They're called colonizers in Britain.

00:30:50.780 And here too, yeah.

00:30:52.720 No, yeah, in America, I imagine they do.

00:30:55.540 No, they call them in the UK too.

00:30:57.820 I hear them call them colonizers, white people.

00:30:59.860 Okay, so the white British boy can't be innocent.

00:31:04.740 It has to be.

00:31:06.060 And that's the narrative.

00:31:07.060 And the fact that Tommy Robinson has gone out to bat for him, it makes it all worse.

00:31:12.280 And they will not stand up for this kid.

00:31:15.620 And in that period, he was around us all day, this Bailey.

00:31:19.880 Like he was a nice kid.

00:31:21.160 He was heartbroken.

00:31:22.800 He was torn.

00:31:23.580 He was in shock by what had happened, as in how he was being portrayed as the big evil bully,

00:31:32.480 when really he had come to the defense of not only his family, but also there was a long history in the school that he was saying that of this one Syrian kid.

00:31:46.140 So Tommy got 18 months and he has to serve nine.

00:31:50.960 Is that right?

00:31:51.380 That's right.

00:31:52.520 Because in Great Britain, they only have to serve half the sentence.

00:31:57.340 But I don't know if you've seen or not.

00:31:59.080 Did you see the deal with the sentencing guidelines they want now in Great Britain?

00:32:03.660 Have you seen that?

00:32:04.760 Where they want to base the sentencing.

00:32:06.640 The sentencing guidelines are based on the ethnicity of the perpetrator.

00:32:09.780 So basically, if you're non-white, then you would get less of a sentence. 0.62

00:32:15.800 The sentencing guidelines would be different than if you were a white person.

00:32:18.320 Have you seen that?

00:32:19.440 No, you've got to be kidding.

00:32:21.220 No, it's getting really bad, man.

00:32:22.480 What did you say?

00:32:23.100 So they have these new sentencing guidelines they want in the U.K.

00:32:30.460 They want ethnic groups, non-whites, to have different sentencing guidelines.

00:32:36.440 So you would get lesser charge, lesser punishment, lesser penalties if you're non-white now in 1.00

00:32:43.900 the United Kingdom.

00:32:44.920 From all the articles and all the examples I've seen, that's the case.

00:32:49.320 That's what they want to pass.

00:32:50.200 Where have you seen this?

00:32:51.880 I feel like this is – I want to see that.

00:32:57.420 If that is fair dinkum, if that is real, that is taking –

00:33:01.020 No, that's real.

00:33:01.840 That's real.

00:33:02.440 I mean, they're trying – it hasn't passed yet, but that's what they're trying to get through

00:33:05.340 Parliament, right?

00:33:05.540 It's a bill.

00:33:06.180 It's a bill in front of Parliament at the moment.

00:33:08.700 So they're trying to push – and who is it?

00:33:10.220 Do you know who's pushing that?

00:33:12.180 No, I don't have that information off the top of my head who the exact person is.

00:33:16.360 But, yeah, it's –

00:33:16.860 I feel like in Britain both sides would support it.

00:33:20.920 Yeah, it's getting really bad.

00:33:23.340 You know, the lawfare in general is really bad if you look at what they're doing to just

00:33:26.680 the general population and the people there, you know, putting people in jail.

00:33:30.280 One guy was complaining about Palestinian flags and they came and got him and threw him in

00:33:35.240 jail.

00:33:36.700 So many different things.

00:33:38.280 One guy was yelling at a police dog, they threw him in jail.

00:33:40.780 Another guy made another post on Facebook, they threw him in jail.

00:33:43.420 Someone was criticizing the prime minister.

00:33:47.880 I believe it was the prime minister.

00:33:49.120 They came to the house and questioned him just for, you know, basically, I guess, denigrating

00:33:54.840 the prime minister online.

00:33:57.220 It's really Gestapo-type stuff that's happening in the UK right now, man.

00:34:00.940 I've never seen anything like it from a supposed free Western country.

00:34:05.400 But it's happening in the UK.

00:34:07.260 It really is.

00:34:07.680 To your point, you could – if you – all those examples you just gave are white people. 0.99

00:34:12.840 But you can be a brown, anti-Jew, like a Jew-hating, terrorist-supporting immigrant that's marching 0.99

00:34:23.040 the streets in Great Britain, terrorizing people. 0.98

00:34:26.040 In fact, you saw during those Southport riots, you know, you saw one way of dealing with the,

00:34:33.860 I guess, the hooligans that were fighting or attacking the – but then when you saw gangs 0.84

00:34:41.240 of Muslim men – armed gangs of Muslim men committing acts of violence, the cops were 0.89

00:34:47.900 like, all right, guys, everybody, if you just put down your weapons, you can go home 0.99

00:34:51.140 now and everybody's going to be in trouble.

00:34:52.300 Take your knives home.

00:34:53.900 Yeah, it's – you know, I saw recently the people that they're letting out. 0.58

00:34:58.240 You talked about Muslims. 0.82

00:34:59.340 One Muslim guy molested a 14-year-old girl, got no jail time because he was the only English 0.93

00:35:04.520 speaker in his family, and the judge didn't want the family to suffer without their English-speaking 0.83

00:35:08.860 patriarch.

00:35:09.340 So he didn't get jail time.

00:35:11.240 Another guy was an illegal immigrant, and he didn't know any better. 1.00

00:35:14.700 He didn't know it was against the law to rape or molest young girls, so he got off scot-free. 0.85

00:35:21.380 There's several – actually, a lot of examples of guys being let off who are non-white just 0.98

00:35:27.560 for just ridiculous reasons, like I just mentioned.

00:35:30.440 But, yeah, it's definitely a two-tier justice system. 0.76

00:35:32.960 And what they're – they're trying to codify a two-tier justice system with these new

00:35:37.240 sentencing guidelines.

00:35:38.380 So, yeah, I recommend you look that up for sure when you and I get off here.

00:35:42.980 But it's crazy, man, what they're trying to do over there now.

00:35:46.840 So back to Tommy before we wrap up.

00:35:49.280 When was the last time you spoke to him?

00:35:53.700 I haven't – the last voicemail I got from him was – no, actually, I did speak to him.

00:36:00.140 Get this.

00:36:01.220 I spoke – he called his son when I was in London a few weeks ago.

00:36:04.620 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:36:05.100 This was your fault.

00:36:07.600 Exactly.

00:36:08.180 Well, his son, he says – well, it was actually Tommy's ID.

00:36:11.240 He said, let me talk to Don.

00:36:12.740 And he said, you want to talk to him?

00:36:13.660 He said, yeah.

00:36:14.300 So I said, who – I didn't know who it was.

00:36:16.440 His son said – he said he wants to talk to you.

00:36:18.240 I said, who is that?

00:36:18.660 He says, Dad.

00:36:20.060 I was like, what?

00:36:21.060 So I was like, oh, my God.

00:36:22.420 I was so excited to talk to him.

00:36:23.820 Because for context, you were banned from talking to him because you were considered

00:36:29.100 somebody with a social media following.

00:36:31.080 Well, yeah, I guess I should have led with that back story.

00:36:33.380 Let's explain this to people because this has been a big thing that I've never seen

00:36:38.120 anywhere else.

00:36:39.260 And then bring it to what happened with you.

00:36:41.980 So what is this whole NDA and what's happening with anybody?

00:36:45.640 Who are they stopping?

00:36:46.880 Tell us that.

00:36:48.560 So the NDA is for anybody with any sort of social media presence.

00:36:53.280 So if they – obviously, through the letters we write, Tommy, and the communications, they

00:36:56.860 kind of get a feel for who we are and they research us or investigate us.

00:36:59.940 And this guy's got a social media, so he's going to have to sign this NDA.

00:37:03.300 So I was good with that.

00:37:04.520 I was prepared to sign the NDA.

00:37:06.260 And what does the NDA say?

00:37:07.280 You can't talk about anything you hear in the meeting when you visit with Tommy.

00:37:13.700 You can't talk about anything he says to you or what goes on, what you see, any of

00:37:17.320 that stuff.

00:37:17.820 You have to –

00:37:18.480 Why?

00:37:18.660 You can't – well, I have a theory myself about that since I haven't –

00:37:23.940 Do they explain to you why that I tell you?

00:37:26.740 No, no, don't.

00:37:27.800 From what I understand, it's just because they don't want you to know.

00:37:30.980 I feel like – and other people have told me they feel like it's because – could

00:37:34.860 be, one, what he looks like, what his – their treatment of him is, and whatever he could

00:37:42.020 tell you about what the goings-on in that prison, his treatment, and all of these things.

00:37:45.880 I think they just don't want it getting out.

00:37:49.040 You know, what do you – and I've heard he's lost a lot of weight, so I'm sure that's

00:37:52.680 unsettling for people who see him as well.

00:37:54.440 So I can only imagine it would have to do with – because he can't get messages out

00:37:59.840 only through letters that they dictate or that they, you know, inspect before they – so

00:38:04.720 they know what kind of communications he's getting out, so it can't be really much to

00:38:09.260 do with his communication.

00:38:10.880 But if you see what's going on there, that's a whole different story than you can witness

00:38:13.780 with your own eyes.

00:38:14.560 So I just think they don't want people to know what he looks like and how he's being

00:38:17.640 treated because they've already taken – they actually took the guy's food away from

00:38:20.600 him for a week from – I think it's canteen privileges, they call them.

00:38:24.000 And he had to eat tuna from a can for a full week as punishment for some phone call or

00:38:29.420 something.

00:38:30.020 I can't remember the details of that, but it had to do with someone he talked to.

00:38:34.480 So anyway, I was prepared to go to London.

00:38:37.640 There happened to be a demo the week we had planned to go see him, but my purpose – my

00:38:41.180 main purpose of going over to London was to visit with him.

00:38:44.060 Well, as I'm about to get on the plane on my way to the airport, I get a letter and

00:38:47.640 an email that says, we're sorry you're not going to be able to see Tommy at this

00:38:52.560 time, yada, yada, yada.

00:38:55.380 And I'm like, what are you talking about?

00:38:57.100 And they basically said because of my social media is what they told me.

00:39:00.280 It was like I wasn't going to be able to – I was like, what are you talking about?

00:39:01.980 Because of your social media presence.

00:39:04.220 Exactly.

00:39:04.740 And I was going to sign the NDA, so I've already got the ticket.

00:39:07.160 I can't – no refund that late in the game.

00:39:10.580 So I flew to London because I was going to go to the demo anyway, and I was asked to

00:39:14.080 speak at the demonstration.

00:39:16.820 So, yeah, I was prepared to go over there, and they told me I couldn't see, but I'm

00:39:20.840 not the only one they've done that to.

00:39:21.800 They've done that to several people.

00:39:24.620 So that very same weekend, and this was probably Tommy's way of, you know, getting to speak

00:39:31.300 to me and letting me know that he appreciates me coming over there even though my visit

00:39:35.600 was declined.

00:39:36.340 I was having dinner with his son and some friends, and son gets a call.

00:39:42.580 He says – he's talking for me.

00:39:44.240 I was really even paying attention to his son, and he's talking.

00:39:48.340 He says, here, and he gives me the – I said, who is that?

00:39:51.300 He says, dad.

00:39:54.040 And so, yeah, I couldn't believe it, and I was – and this thing I know, they took his

00:39:58.480 privileges away because he let – his son let him talk to me on the telephone.

00:40:03.220 They took his son's privileges away, phone privileges away.

00:40:07.620 I mean, how horrendous is that?

00:40:08.860 And his son's what?

00:40:09.500 He took his son's privileges away because he let him talk to me.

00:40:14.340 His son's got to be like 13, 14 – how was – what's his name?

00:40:17.820 I really don't want to say, but yeah, he's –

00:40:20.780 Yeah, he's young.

00:40:22.740 Yeah, yeah.

00:40:24.060 And they took his – I think the reason why the age matters is you're not talking about

00:40:30.140 a big boy.

00:40:30.980 You're talking about a kid.

00:40:32.660 Yeah, a young kid.

00:40:33.400 He's definitely a young kid.

00:40:34.560 Yeah, he's definitely a young kid.

00:40:35.320 And, yeah, they took it away from him because he – and what did he say to you on that phone?

00:40:44.820 He just asked me how I was and told me he appreciated me coming over and sorry he didn't get to see

00:40:48.660 me and sorry for everything that happened.

00:40:50.860 Don't you love it?

00:40:51.560 He's apologizing to you that you cannot – like it was his fault.

00:40:55.320 Yeah, it was really an emotional phone call for me, man.

00:40:57.300 I'll be honest with you.

00:40:57.960 I got really emotional just thinking, you know, him there rotting in that jail cell.

00:41:06.840 Do you reckon you could do it?

00:41:07.960 I just – I don't think I could ever – I don't think I could survive a tenth of – a hundredth

00:41:13.340 of what he's been through and even just in the last six months.

00:41:16.600 Well, I don't think you really have a choice.

00:41:18.280 I don't think you have a choice.

00:41:19.580 I think you probably – I think a situation like that probably would bring it out of you.

00:41:23.920 I would do what I had to do to get back to my family, that's for sure.

00:41:26.680 I'm not going to let them get the best of me.

00:41:28.180 I don't know, but I feel like I would –

00:41:28.900 I mean, I wouldn't want to for sure, but, you know, I'm going to do what I got to do, man.

00:41:32.720 I'm going to do what I got to do.

00:41:33.640 And then I'm going to come out rip-roaring and try to get back at him the best way I can.

00:41:39.800 And I know that's what he's going to do too.

00:41:41.500 People can say what they want, but he's going to come out fighting, I guarantee it.

00:41:43.900 Oh, and he's going to come out – look, I know that side of it.

00:41:47.100 It's a painful time, and I know him.

00:41:50.280 He will survive it at the end of the day, especially knowing that so many people on the outside are like you,

00:41:56.100 and, you know, thank you for doing that.

00:41:59.360 But the fact that there are people standing up on the outside,

00:42:03.600 and he knows that they haven't forgotten him.

00:42:07.780 In fact, think about it.

00:42:09.920 Before he went in, before he went in,

00:42:12.740 he was trying to garner the attention of somebody like Elon Musk over a long period of time.

00:42:21.360 I'm talking about, like, before Tommy was allowed back on X,

00:42:27.640 he kept reminding me, tweet Elon today.

00:42:32.140 Let him – like, you know, we were campaigning to have him back on.

00:42:34.880 And it was funny because a lot of the people – I'm not going to name them.

00:42:36.820 A lot of the people who, as soon as Elon got on the Tommy bandwagon,

00:42:42.440 they were the same people who –

00:42:44.380 I think there's defense now.

00:42:45.760 I mean, you know.

00:42:47.280 But the same people who, in that period where I was going out every, like, you know,

00:42:54.020 I don't know, maybe once a week we tweeted something to Elon, like, you know,

00:42:59.180 making the case for bringing him back onto the platform.

00:43:00.920 And the same people that would tell me, you know, and I would ask –

00:43:05.900 I would ask them to retweet.

00:43:07.180 Come on, like, try – they'd be like, no, he actually broke the rules.

00:43:10.660 You know, they were Elon – they were suck-up Elon fans.

00:43:14.120 I'm not going to name anyone, but they were.

00:43:16.780 And they told me that Elon's decision was justified

00:43:19.660 because Tommy had actually broken the Twitter rules.

00:43:23.940 And then suddenly now I see that those same people, they have no –

00:43:29.260 you see, that's the opposite of Tommy Robinson.

00:43:32.120 Those same people have no shame because as soon as Elon Musk finally –

00:43:38.260 Tommy, which happened to be from getting jailed and everything that happened,

00:43:43.260 as soon as he caught Elon's attention –

00:43:45.340 and now Elon's, yes, he's paying for his defense and –

00:43:48.300 or at least part, like, for the defense in that thing.

00:43:50.820 But –

00:43:51.100 Right.

00:43:53.340 As soon as Elon did that, now suddenly these people are rallying behind –

00:43:58.280 which is great.

00:43:59.080 I'm not going to – I'm not – you know what?

00:44:00.720 It's probably the one reason why I won't call him out because –

00:44:03.740 Fairweather friends, man.

00:44:05.220 All support to Tommy.

00:44:07.240 He deserves it.

00:44:07.880 He deserves it all.

00:44:08.860 He deserves everything.

00:44:10.480 And, you know, there was a moment there with –

00:44:14.560 when Nigel – so when Elon first started supporting Tommy

00:44:18.720 and then Nigel Farage was, like, kind of hitting back from a real condescending,

00:44:24.980 pompous Nigel Farage position of, yeah, I will educate Elon when I get to –

00:44:32.840 I think he was saying when he gets to America for the inauguration.

00:44:37.240 And I thought that night, I thought – did you ever –

00:44:39.720 do you remember that when – when – when Nigel first –

00:44:43.120 when Nigel first reacted to Elon's support?

00:44:46.720 Do you remember that?

00:44:47.520 Yeah.

00:44:48.100 Yeah.

00:44:48.760 And it was, like – it was – it was just so arrogant.

00:44:50.800 It was so typical Nigel Farage.

00:44:52.740 Oh, yeah.

00:44:53.000 And I – I went head-to-head once with Nigel Farage –

00:44:55.900 Really?

00:44:56.080 – going off topic.

00:44:56.640 About – about Tommy Robinson.

00:44:59.420 Really?

00:45:00.200 It was in Australia.

00:45:01.220 Nigel Farage had a – a tour in Australia.

00:45:04.320 And I was invited by the promoters to come and interview him, all right?

00:45:07.860 But I wasn't going to sit in that – like, I –

00:45:10.480 Nigel Farage does a lot of great work.

00:45:11.940 Let's not pretend like he does.

00:45:13.560 If he does, I'm just not going to sit in a two-hour Nigel Farage blowing, 0.99

00:45:17.800 smoke up his own ass for two hours and then talk to him. 0.99

00:45:20.720 So I went upstairs. 0.99

00:45:21.840 I don't know if you know this girl, Sydney Watson, who's –

00:45:23.900 she's now in the States.

00:45:25.680 I don't think so.

00:45:26.220 She's an Australian-American.

00:45:27.900 She lives in Texas now.

00:45:29.940 But, anyways, we went up to the rooftop bar, and I just got –

00:45:33.580 I was – you know, I – I just did what we do.

00:45:36.720 We had a few drinks.

00:45:37.780 And so by the time that – and the guys called me, they go,

00:45:39.880 oh, he's coming out now.

00:45:40.860 And I was half sloshed.

00:45:44.580 I was slurring.

00:45:47.340 Anyway, but I interviewed Nigel, and –

00:45:50.120 so I – I was the first one that was given the interview with Nigel backstage,

00:45:55.700 right?

00:45:56.380 And all the other – it was, like, all mainstream media

00:45:58.700 and then, like, alternative media, all trying to get in a quick word.

00:46:02.260 And I was the first.

00:46:03.900 And I got him so angry when I started, like, pushing him on, like,

00:46:10.180 Tommy and – I can't remember exactly.

00:46:12.840 It was four – it was four TR News, I'm pretty sure.

00:46:15.680 But it was about, you know, also the jihadi threat, 0.98

00:46:19.920 and he lost it.

00:46:22.140 He stormed out, and he wouldn't do anyone else's interview. 1.00

00:46:24.740 Like, he was such a – he was such a coward and so weak. 0.99

00:46:29.060 And I – that day, I lost so much respect for him. 0.98

00:46:31.740 And what I learned that day was that – that Nigel Farage will always play it safe.

00:46:38.280 And this whole – like, when he came out and attacked – and said to Elon,

00:46:43.280 yes, I will educate Elon, because he doesn't know – it is absolutely – it has been the

00:46:49.960 whole time of Nigel playing it safe, even though he knows so much of his base, so much of that

00:46:55.280 base supports Tommy Robinson.

00:46:57.000 And Tommy was pushing to vote for Nigel and all that.

00:47:03.360 But then I thought that night, oh, I wonder if – I wonder how Elon's going to react.

00:47:10.660 Like, is Elon going to backtrack, or is he going to just go quiet?

00:47:16.780 I don't think it took Elon very long to figure out Nigel Farage and what kind of person he is.

00:47:21.660 I think that Elon bets on the person, not the organization.

00:47:25.920 I think Elon still feels like Reform's probably the U.K.'s best bet right now.

00:47:31.120 But I think it's going to have to be – I think he said it as much in a tweet.

00:47:34.660 It would have to be – if he was going to back Reform, it would have to be without

00:47:37.780 Nigel Farage as the head.

00:47:39.520 I don't think Nigel's going to give that up.

00:47:42.180 I was going to play – I don't know if you can – this guy – I found this today.

00:47:46.380 You know how Nigel's always talking about –

00:47:47.860 What is it, a video?

00:47:48.580 Yeah, it's a video.

00:47:51.300 I'm going to just play it, see if you can hear the audio.

00:47:53.500 Today is carrying a story about one of your aides and colleagues, George Cottrell,

00:47:57.600 who has a conviction for wire fraud in the America and has been named in another criminal

00:48:01.640 investigation in Montenegro.

00:48:03.520 Do you want him by your side on the campaign trail?

00:48:08.160 I, firstly, always stand by my friends.

00:48:11.440 And secondly, there is a thing called Christian forgiveness.

00:48:14.740 If people get convicted of something or do something wrong, well, they have another chance

00:48:18.680 in life to go on and prove themselves.

00:48:21.960 Mr. Farage. 1.00

00:48:22.700 What a hypocrite. 1.00

00:48:23.920 What a hypocrite. 1.00

00:48:26.620 All this time, Nigel Farage says – this is a guy who bankrolls him, by the way. 0.99

00:48:31.960 This guy paid $15,000 for Nigel to go visit with Elon Musk.

00:48:35.900 That's who this guy is that he's offering this Christian forgiveness for.

00:48:39.440 But what does he say about Tommy Robinson and his convictions?

00:48:41.900 Reform wants nothing to do with him.

00:48:43.300 He wants nothing to do with him because of his prior convictions.

00:48:46.020 But this guy who's bankrolling him, he doesn't have a problem offering him that Christian 1.00

00:48:50.340 forgiveness.

00:48:51.140 That's the kind of guy Nigel Farage is.

00:48:53.060 And I think that's what Elon Musk found out about him, is that he's all about Nigel Farage

00:48:57.000 and he's all about the money and what somebody can do for him.

00:48:59.640 So that's who Nigel Farage is.

00:49:02.280 I agree with you.

00:49:02.740 And I think – and it was even more delicious that it happened – it played out the way

00:49:08.900 it played out because it was a test –

00:49:11.980 Because it was so public.

00:49:13.160 It was so public.

00:49:13.860 And it was a test on Elon Musk.

00:49:15.440 Is he somebody that's going to stand by principle on this issue?

00:49:20.120 Or is he going to play it safe because Nigel Farage is like in the inner circle, I guess,

00:49:25.660 of the Trump.

00:49:27.380 But he didn't care.

00:49:28.580 He actually – he turned around and gave Nigel the treatment he deserves and made the

00:49:35.360 point of like, mate, don't be condescending about it.

00:49:39.140 I know technically it is contempt of court.

00:49:42.340 We're not dumb.

00:49:43.820 Just because he's been convicted of contempt of court, that doesn't mean we can't ask

00:49:47.820 more questions.

00:49:48.740 And it doesn't mean – just because somebody's been convicted.

00:49:52.240 Yeah, and the reporters were talking to him.

00:49:54.100 He was like, oh, don't worry about Elon.

00:49:56.060 I'm going to go over there.

00:49:56.740 And I'm going to educate him on why Tommy is really in prison. 1.00

00:50:00.120 Oh, Elon, that stupid rocket maker. 0.99

00:50:03.160 I mean, he thinks, Eli, that he's smarter than Elon Musk. 1.00

00:50:06.240 He's smarter than Elon Musk.

00:50:07.600 Elon Musk doesn't realize that if you're convicted of contempt of court, that it can in no way

00:50:11.820 be a political prosecution, persecution.

00:50:14.600 It is – that it's 100% kosher.

00:50:17.580 And the backstory just doesn't matter.

00:50:20.260 That doesn't matter.

00:50:20.840 And Elon doubled down and Elon made some fantastic points besides the fact that it is a political – it was political persecution and they were clearly going for him.

00:50:31.180 And that in what world is contempt of court justification for locking somebody up in isolation for, you know, nine months?

00:50:43.300 We saw what isolation did to Tommy Larson.

00:50:45.000 But in what world does that make any sense for a video, for posting a video that people can make up their own minds about with evidence that the court just didn't want to get out?

00:50:55.740 It's an insane story, the whole thing.

00:50:59.780 And you saw the – I don't know if you saw this most recent report from Tommy's team where the clinical psychologist did an evaluation of Tommy.

00:51:08.080 It doesn't look good.

00:51:10.060 You know, she diagnosed him with several different conditions, ADHD, PTSD, hypervigilance, guilt, some sort of – what is it called?

00:51:20.660 Traumatic sleep disruption, social withdrawal, subjective sense of mental collapse, all these different things she's diagnosed with him.

00:51:28.940 And she says it's mental torture.

00:51:30.280 This is from this clinical psychologist.

00:51:32.100 It says it's mental torture.

00:51:33.100 You know what?

00:51:33.800 I met Tommy when he came out last time and that was, I think, only 90 days.

00:51:38.080 And he was a different man.

00:51:40.560 It took months for him to bounce back.

00:51:45.880 And to be honest, I don't think he ever fully recovered from that.

00:51:49.960 No, he still has PTSD from him.

00:51:52.100 I can tell you that.

00:51:52.720 He'll tell you that himself.

00:51:54.300 And I just – you can see that if you're ever with him for any amount of time, you can sort of see the –

00:51:59.040 The twitches.

00:52:01.140 Yes, yes.

00:52:02.180 You know what I'm talking about.

00:52:03.080 But, yeah, he's got some issues.

00:52:05.000 So, I'm very worried about him, man, because he's been there too long.

00:52:08.060 You know the – I don't know if you know this, but the international guidelines for solitary confinement are 15 days.

00:52:14.360 That's the UN Mandela rule.

00:52:16.740 It's the ECHR, the European Commission on Human Rights.

00:52:20.920 It's a violation of both those.

00:52:22.520 It's a violation of the UK's own – I've looked at the UK's own prison policies.

00:52:26.160 It's 15 days.

00:52:27.360 But the – what's her name?

00:52:31.380 Secretary of Corrections, I believe they call her in the UK.

00:52:34.440 I can't remember her exact name.

00:52:36.560 But she has to sign off.

00:52:39.020 I believe it's every 15 days.

00:52:40.840 I could be wrong about that.

00:52:41.560 But she has to sign off or somebody from her department has to sign off on that so that they can keep extending him into this solitary confinement.

00:52:48.800 Ever so many, how often it is they have to sign off of because they're breaking so many – it's a violation of his human rights, first off.

00:52:56.660 I mean, that's UN policy there.

00:53:00.140 ECHR is a violation of human rights.

00:53:01.680 But yet, apparently, human rights don't apply to Tommy Robinson.

00:53:04.540 They continue to violate his human rights.

00:53:06.560 So – and there's been so many, you know, psychologists and psychiatrists who've done these different investigations and evaluations and assessments of what solitary confinement does to a human being.

00:53:19.000 And all of what this clinical psychologist has diagnosed with is evidence of that in Tommy.

00:53:24.460 And he's experiencing that right now.

00:53:25.940 And they continue to torture this man.

00:53:27.580 And they're not only torturing him with the solitary confinement, but they're just – they're twisting the knife, you know, by taking visitations away from his friends, the phone from his son.

00:53:39.620 The son can't even talk to him.

00:53:42.180 I know his ex-wife, they took some of her privileges for a while, too, other friends.

00:53:46.760 So they're just doing whatever they can to torture the guy.

00:53:50.040 And, you know, and now they've got him coming up on these terrorism charges this month.

00:53:54.380 As a matter of fact, he has the answer for those under this ridiculous terrorism act, which is a lot like our Patriot Act that was supposed to be to protect us from terrorism.

00:54:04.560 But they actually used it to go against the citizens.

00:54:06.740 I'm sure you guys have something similar.

00:54:08.580 They all came about around the time of 9-11.

00:54:11.200 I actually think the U.K. came out before 9-11 and that whole terrorism thing.

00:54:15.740 I mean, they know Tommy's not a terrorist, but because of this terrorism act, if you come in in any port of entry, whether it be trains, planes, tunnels, anywhere across the border, ports of entry, they can stop you.

00:54:29.040 And in this terrorism act, it says, I can stop you and ask you for your phone.

00:54:34.240 It doesn't matter if you're a journalist.

00:54:35.360 It doesn't matter if you work.

00:54:36.140 And you're supposed to have freedom of the press in the U.K.

00:54:38.220 As part of their law as well.

00:54:40.440 So what we have here is two conflicting laws.

00:54:42.540 And I guess what we have to ask is which one of these are going to play out.

00:54:45.860 Because with this terrorism act, they can say, you have to give me your phone and you have to give me the passcode to that phone.

00:54:51.840 And if you don't, we can charge you under the terrorism act.

00:54:54.580 And so what did Tommy do, being the type of person that he is, with the sources he has on his phone, you think about who his sources may be and all the young girls who are victims of Muslims, Muslims heavily inundated in the justice system in the U.K.

00:55:11.200 He gives up his phone.

00:55:12.160 He gives up these girls' sources, their locations, their phone numbers.

00:55:15.200 And so all these people have access to them to get retribution for these young girls that have turned in all these people who have, you know, these rape gang, heads of these rape gangs and people in these rape gangs who committed these atrocities against them.

00:55:28.460 If Tommy gives over his phone to these authorities, he's risking these girls' lives.

00:55:33.140 And that's what these people asked him to do.

00:55:34.740 And he refused.

00:55:35.640 And now they're trying to charge him under the terrorism act and give him more jail time.

00:55:39.020 And this is one of the ones that Elon's backing.

00:55:42.020 Is that right?

00:55:42.700 Or is that not one of the ones?

00:55:43.840 Yes.

00:55:44.460 Yes.

00:55:44.700 That's one of the ones.

00:55:46.240 And I think the other is to get him out of his solitary confinement situation.

00:55:50.080 It's very hard to keep up with it.

00:55:52.260 Yeah, I know he's paying for, I believe it's two, possibly three.

00:55:55.760 Someone said three.

00:55:56.580 I'm not 100% about the third.

00:55:58.000 I know for a fact on two fronts, Elon is helping him with the defense there.

00:56:02.700 Well, thank goodness for Elon.

00:56:04.780 And thank God for you too, mate.

00:56:05.800 I really like Elon Musk.

00:56:06.920 I think he's a godsend.

00:56:09.180 Especially, I know, for Tommy.

00:56:11.160 And I think all around the world he is, what he's done with Starlink and helping people.

00:56:14.180 But for sure, in American politics, what he did for the Trump campaign.

00:56:18.600 Maybe you and I on some other phone call, we can talk about Trump and all that good stuff.

00:56:22.480 I know you're running out of time.

00:56:23.680 But yeah.

00:56:24.900 We'll have to do this again.

00:56:26.060 It's been a great talk with you.

00:56:26.940 Yeah, man.

00:56:27.360 That's been a lot of fun.

00:56:28.260 I really enjoyed it.

00:56:29.080 Thank you for having me on.

00:56:29.940 I really appreciate it.

00:56:30.220 Mate, where can people find you before I let you go?

00:56:32.620 Yeah.

00:56:33.220 At Real Don Keith on X.

00:56:35.880 That's my main platform.

00:56:37.500 The Real Beef Don Keith on Facebook.

00:56:39.640 I'm also at Real Don Keith on Instagram.

00:56:41.820 So at Real Don Keith on Instagram.

00:56:43.940 And X are probably my two biggest.

00:56:45.280 But really, X is where I stay.

00:56:48.360 Mate.

00:56:49.480 Good night.

00:56:50.580 We'll catch you next time and keep up the good work.

00:56:54.000 Yeah.

00:56:54.780 You and I have not met in person, I don't think, have we?

00:56:57.060 I know I've seen you at some of the events.

00:56:59.580 I think you were at one of the demos.

00:57:01.600 What year?

00:57:02.460 I haven't been for a while.

00:57:03.840 He bugs me every year.

00:57:04.460 Oh, so you weren't at one this year?

00:57:06.000 No, no, no, no.

00:57:07.040 I hate, I've got to say, I hate London more than most things.

00:57:14.000 Like every time, it's very far for us.

00:57:16.040 So for me to get to London is, it's a 24 and I've done, I've done it.

00:57:20.560 I used to go a lot with, especially when I worked with him.

00:57:23.120 And there was one time, because it's about 25, 26, between 25 to 30 hours, depends on

00:57:30.140 the route you take.

00:57:31.880 And so, you know, I think I got 25 or 26 hours there, maybe 28 hours back.

00:57:38.260 And I was only on the ground for about 20 hours.

00:57:41.440 It was the most painful experience of my life.

00:57:44.540 And it's not like you're rocking up to the Greek islands or something where you're getting

00:57:49.040 a relaxing, no, it's you're out in what feels like Islamabad when you land.

00:57:55.380 And then it's like a protest or something like that, that you're covering.

00:57:58.960 It was insane.

00:58:00.600 But I did spend, when he ran as an MEP, his MEP campaign, I was there for, I think, about

00:58:08.740 a month.

00:58:10.880 We were all caught up.

00:58:12.000 What year was that?

00:58:12.620 I can't remember.

00:58:13.640 What year was that?

00:58:14.360 That would have been, I'd say, 2019, I reckon, 2019.

00:58:19.840 I was going to say, I was thinking, 19, yeah.

00:58:21.800 Yeah, 2019.

00:58:22.520 We were there for like a month, maybe more.

00:58:25.180 Yeah.

00:58:25.660 It was wild.

00:58:26.700 It was fun.

00:58:27.860 There's lots of old videos of me there.

00:58:30.420 Just, you know, just following him and dealing with people's reactions around him definitely

00:58:36.400 was eye-opening.

00:58:38.820 But yeah, there's so much more to talk about besides for him.

00:58:41.240 But I thought it was important to introduce you to our audience for the thing that I

00:58:44.940 think that you're doing the most great.

00:58:46.480 You know, everybody could talk about Trump.

00:58:48.000 Not many people that have been around Tommy so closely in recent times can talk about him.

00:58:54.400 So I'd rather have you on to talk about those things than Trump, because Trump I could talk

00:58:59.780 about all day anyways, because it's just so much fun and what's happening.

00:59:04.420 Yeah, thank you.

00:59:05.100 Thank you, Avi.

00:59:05.680 Take care.

00:59:06.840 Till next time.

00:59:07.920 See ya.

00:59:08.400 See ya, brother.

00:59:09.240 Bye-bye.

00:59:11.240 Well, I hope you enjoyed that conversation as much as I did.

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00:59:24.740 Unfortunately, today the system is down.

00:59:27.380 I'm actually waiting for new cabling.

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Rebel News Podcast - March 11, 2025

AVI YEMINI ｜ Why they want Tommy SILENCED： Insider speaks out

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