B.C. politician fined $750,000 for his views on trans issues in schools
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A guy who was elected to a public school board just got fined $750,000 for saying he disagrees with transgenderism in the curriculum. And by the way, that's going to be paid to any gay teachers in Chilliwack, BC.
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Hello, my friends. Just a crazy case out of the British Columbia Human Rights Tribunal,
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which is saying a lot because they're all crazy. A guy who was elected to a public school board
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just got fined $750,000 for saying he disagrees with transgenderism in the curriculum. And by
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the way, that's going to be paid to any gay teachers. I wonder if the gay population of
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teachers in Chilliwack, BC, well, why wouldn't you say you're gay if you're going to get
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thousands of dollars from this prize money? It's the strangest thing. I'll take you through it. Just
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Tonight, two stories of a civilization in decline. And of course, I mean, Canada. It's February
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20th. And this is the Ezra LeBant Show. Shame on you, you censorious bug.
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Hey, some good news. Our friend Tommy Robinson is in the United States. This is good news because he
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needed a special visa waiver to be allowed to travel to the U.S. given his U.K. legal convictions.
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And the fact that he got those waivers demonstrates that the United States State Department
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does not believe the U.K. government's views about Tommy Robinson. The U.S. has very strict border
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policies, especially these days. They love deporting people. So for them to admit Tommy in a special
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decision, shows they just don't credit the U.K.'s justice system anymore, not when it comes to
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political prisoners like Tommy Robinson. That is amazing to me. Here is a fun video Tommy recorded
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just after landing in Washington. You can see how excited he is.
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That's right. I'm in the United States of America. Can you see how happy I am? It's been a long time
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coming. I've dreamed about this moment for so long. In 2017, I was given an invite by 10 members of
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Congress to come and visit here and talk about the decline in free speech in Britain, which now the
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entire world knows about. But back then, 45 British MPs wrote to the American Embassy in London and they
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blocked my travel. 45, that's three times as many MPs who'd ever spoke about grooming. They didn't want
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me to come here to talk about the problems that Britain faces. Well, tough shit. I'm now here.
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You hold no weight anymore. You have zero credibility to the British Parliament. The whole world now looks
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upon you as a laughing stock. So I'm in the United States of America. If you want to keep up to date
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with what I'm doing here, it's Tommy in USA.com. That's exciting news and proof that America is heading in
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the right direction when it comes to speech. But I'm sure you saw this story about speech
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in British Columbia. An elected school board trustee was just ordered to pay $750,000 for hurting the
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feelings of transgender people because of his political views, which he honestly holds and for
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which he was voted into office as a school board trustee. Let me read to you from the Regime Media's
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report. And then a little bit later, we'll talk to a lawyer about him. This is an incredible report
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in CTV, which I think was written by Canadian Press. So it'll be in every newspaper. And it somehow
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forgets whoopsies to interview anyone on the free speech side of the debate. That's a trick, isn't it?
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Former Chilliwack school trustee Barry Neufeld has been ordered to pay $750,000 in damages to
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LGBTQ2S plus teachers after the BC Human Rights Tribunal found dozens of public statements
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amounted to discrimination or hate speech. So speech, merely speaking, is discrimination now?
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Especially when your job is specifically to speak honestly and from the heart about matters in the
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public interest. That's discrimination. Just speaking is discrimination. I thought discrimination
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was, okay, you're not going to allow someone to rent a hotel room because they're black. You're not going
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to allow someone in your restaurant because they're indigenous, whatever. You're actually making a choice.
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You're banning someone. You're firing someone because you find out they're gay. That's discrimination.
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No. It's discrimination just to have a different point of view now, is it?
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There's no such thing as the right not to be offended. I'm sorry. That is a fake thing.
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That is Orwellian. That's a counterfeit human right. That's the government power to silence you. That's
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not a human right. Let me read a little bit. The decision released Wednesday caps a human rights
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case nearly a decade in the making and concludes that Neufeld's public attacks on sexual orientation and
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gender identity education, known as SOGI 123, helped create a poisoned work environment for queer and
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trans teachers in Chilliwack. Now, his job was to oversee sex education. He disagreed with
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transgenderism being taught in schools, especially to children of tender years. That's not a poison work
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environment. He's not against trans people or gay people, for all I know. He's against teaching young
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kids about radical sexual expression. The tribunal determined he breached three sections of the Human
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Rights Code, including employment discrimination, discriminatory publications, and hate speech,
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and ordered him to compensate dozens of teachers impacted by his conduct. The ruling also underscores that
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school trustees have a legal duty to uphold safe and inclusive learning environments. Stop the BS, please.
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No one was unsafe here. No one, no one went to the police because they were unsafe. No one, you know,
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called 911. There's no policeman in the world that would lay such charges. No prosecutor who would prosecute,
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no judge who would fight against them. So they went to BC's kangaroo court, the worst one in the country, the BC
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Human Rights Tribunal. I remember when I wrote a book called Shakedown about this more than a dozen
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years ago. This is the same BC Human Rights Tribunal that there was a woman who worked at a McDonald's
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and refused to wash her hands. And McDonald's said, you can't work at McDonald's if you don't wash your
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hands. And the tribunal ordered them to hire her anyways. Isn't that super gross? I'll never forget
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that story because that just shows how gross the BC Human Rights Tribunal is. The real rules of justice do not
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apply. I'll keep reading. The tribunal awarded $750,000 to the Chilliwack Teasers Association
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for equal distribution amongst LGBTQ2S plus class members. The panel estimated the class likely
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includes between 45 and 163 teachers, but the exact number will be confirmed by the CTA during
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distribution. Hey, if you're gay, you get cash. You don't have to show any damages other than you don't
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like what he said. That's not damages. Like if someone hits your car or assaults you, that's called a difference
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of opinion. And if you're gay, you get money, thousands of dollars. So, hey, if you've ever had romantic
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feelings, even just in your own head about someone, now's the time to come out of the closet. It's
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literally worth thousands of dollars to you to say you're gay. Now we've had in immigration law, people falsely
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claiming to be gay, so they can falsely claim they were discriminated back home, so they're allowed to
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come in as refugees. They later then bring their four wives and children over. If you think I'm joking,
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I am not. Being gay pays, and in Chilliwack it's about to pay out thousands of dollars. Expect the
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number of gay teachers to, I don't know, double, triple, quadruple. Why would you not say you're gay?
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And by the way, having a straight spouse is no proof you're not gay. The BC Human Rights Tribunal is
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murdering BC Human Rights. Now I'm not going to read all of it, but here's a gem from the CTV story.
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The panel issued a cease and refrain order prohibiting Neufeld from repeating similar conduct,
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as in they're preemptively stopping him from talking about these things even now, even
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to journalists. Now I'll jump ahead in the story. It also concluded that six of his public posts,
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referred to jointly as hate speech publications, in the decision violated Section 71B of the Code.
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This provision prohibits the publication of speech that is likely to expose a person or group of class
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or persons to hatred or contempt because of their protected characteristics. This is colloquially
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referred to as hate speech, the decision explains. So this isn't a real court, and it's not a real judge,
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and it's not real prosecutors, but it just sentenced a man for hate, a feelings crime.
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The liberals in Parliament, may I remind you, want to make it a life sentence to be find guilty of hate.
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Let me read some more. The panel also declined to order mandatory anti-discrimination training,
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writing that Neufeld's views appear clearly entrenched, making such an order unlikely to be effective.
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Additionally, since Neufeld is no longer a trustee after he's losing his bid in the 2022 election,
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the panel said this training would not lead to a less discriminatory workplace for the complainants.
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Could you imagine being told you had to undergo re-education on something as nuts as transgenderism?
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Who would be the teacher in that RuPaul or something? But why bother? You've just hit the guy with a $750,000
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fine. But seriously, why not make it $750 million? Why not make it a $750 billion fine, just to be safe?
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I'll read some more. Neufeld had argued throughout the hearing that his statements weren't derogatory
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towards LGBTQ2QS plus people, and that he was simply criticizing government policy, particularly the SOGI
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G123 curriculum. He maintained that his comments reflected legitimate concerns and evidence-based viewpoints,
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Well, don't you see that is how you win a debate in 2026? The vast majority of real people are against transgender extremism,
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by which I mean men and women's prisons, men and women's bathrooms, men and women's sports, the sexualization of young kids.
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And if you think an old man named Neufeld is the problem, may I invite you to talk to any new immigrant from Asia or Africa or the
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Middle East about this? So yeah, no big deal. No need to convince anyone they're wrong. No need to debate anyone.
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Just ban them from saying things you don't like, especially those pesky elected politicians.
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I mean, why don't we just hand over the schools and our children to the BC Human Rights Tribunal?
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Kassari Govander, BC's Human Rights Commissioner, and an intervener in the case, welcomed the ruling,
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particularly the way it underscores that people in power still have human rights obligations while
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engaging in political debate. Quote, occupying an elected position such as being a school trustee
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can mean that hateful and discriminatory messages are seen as more credible and can spread faster and
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further, which in turn can mean that the impact of those messages is intensified, Govander told CTV News.
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I'm not going to read the whole thing. Not a single civil libertarian is quoted.
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Frankly, I doubt that anyone at the Canadian Civil Liberties Association or the BC Civil Liberties
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Association would even side with Neufeld. I mean, they long ago stopped being for actual free speech,
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except for their side. So they'd call drag queen story hour for kindergarten. They would call that
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free speech. That's what they mean by free speech. Just you're not allowed to criticize that,
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even in an elected school board. That makes you a denier of transgenderism.
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Yeah, that's a pretty serious sign that your civilization is in decline. Not just the transgender
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extremism, but the censorship and lawfare and litigation to maintain the appearance that people
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support this insanity. It really reminds me of the decadence of Rome. Caligula would find it fascinating.
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So there's that. And then there's this I saw today. Look at this tweet. Totally switching subjects now,
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but am I really? I'm talking about civilizations in decline. Here's a tweet from the Globe and Mail.
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Out of nowhere. I love those three words. Out of nowhere. Canada became poorer than Alabama. How is
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that possible? Yeah, out of nowhere. Just sort of sneaked up on us. Not sure who might be to blame.
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Probably nobody. I mean, really, it just happened. Yeah, we're in a bit of a mess. Stay with us for more.
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Human rights commissions are like baby courts or quasi-judicial tribunals. They're not actually run
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by judges. They don't have the same rigorous civil procedure. For example, hearsay is allowed. There's
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all sorts of lower standards for evidence. And as you can see, the rulings are quite wacky sometimes.
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This isn't a joke though. A $750,000 penalty, a kind of class action lawsuit. Again, without the
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checks and balances of a real class action lawsuit, it's an out of control legal creation. Take it from
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me. I went through the whole thing about 15 years ago, 20 years ago now in Alberta. Joining us now to
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talk about this latest case of censorship through a so-called Human Rights Commission is a lawyer for
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charter advocates working with the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms. His name is Adam Keer.
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Adam, nice to meet you. Thanks for joining us today. Hi, thanks for having me on.
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I'm shocked by this case. I'm still trying to wrap my head around it. Let's just confirm the basic facts.
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What you have here is a former school trustee who was elected to debate these matters and oversee these
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matters. He obviously was a strong critic of sexual education in the progressive style that is the Norman
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British Columbia. He apparently used language that was a little bit, I don't know, spicy as considered by
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some. Instead of just satisfying themselves with debating him or beating him in an election, they
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took him before the Human Rights Tribunal and they got a $750,000 payday. Whether or not they can
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collect, I don't know. Did I more or less get the facts straight there? Yeah, you got the main facts
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that happened. And what's particularly interesting about this case is how the Human Rights Tribunal
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arrived at its decision. And I think it lends to that point you were raising earlier about the lower
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standards that people potentially face when they're before these tribunals. Well, I mean,
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they convicted this guy of hate speech. Hate speech and hate crimes are in our criminal code. There's all
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sorts of checks and balances. One of them, there's various defenses, for example, honest belief,
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religious belief. You have to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. These are some of the
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natural checks and balances when you go to a real grown-up court. But this is a baby court,
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and they didn't have those same standards, did they? So they just convicted this guy of a hate crime.
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Well, even in the context of human rights cases, the Supreme Court has actually been pretty clear
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about setting a high standard for what hatred means. There's a pretty high-profile case a few years
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ago with a comedian. There's the Ward case where, again, the Supreme Court reiterated,
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you know, it's not enough that someone says something offensive. Hatred is a very high bar.
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It refers to an exceptional kind of speech that caused detestation and vilification of a group of
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people. And in this case, the British Columbia Human Rights Tribunal did reference that decision and
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that case law. However, the end result was that the tribunal found that separating the concept of
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gender identity and biological sex is almost mandatory. So insisting that gender identity is
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no different from biological sex erases the category of trans people, so says the British Columbia Human
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Rights Tribunal. And that erasure contributes to the promotion of hatred and what makes Mr. Neufeld's
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speech hate speech. So I would put it to you. I mean, listen, we don't know everyone's mind, but
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you travel in different circles and people talk about this perhaps in hush tones a little bit because
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were they to stand up in a town hall and announce their views on transgenderism, they might get in
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some sort of trouble. But I put it to you that most Canadians are challenged by the idea of
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transgenderism. I think they put up with it if it's a private matter. They say, okay, nobody's business
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but theirs. But then when it comes into the public square, girls' sports, girls' bathrooms, girls' change
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room, women's prisons, then all of a sudden, what you just talked about, is there a distinction
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between a biological sex and a gender identity or gender expression? That's not just a debating
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point anymore. It's not just an interesting thought experiment. On that question turns whether or not a
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man can go into a change room with women. And I put it to you that most Canadians, that's my hunch,
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but I think polls would support it. Most Canadians would find that troubling. Are you saying to me
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that by this human rights tribunal, they're guilty of hate? Potentially. Obviously, every case is going
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to be assessed on its own merits, but the tribunal was very clear in saying that the statement itself,
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distinguishing biological sex and gender identity is an essential denial of transgender people.
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You know, that word denial, I see it used here and there. I mean, you see denialism used with regards
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to residential schools, the Kamloops question of, are there graves under there? And if you dare take a
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position, you're called a denier, as if you're, I don't know, a Holocaust denier, or if you're like a
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flat earther. It's not a legit, I think that word denier or denial, it's loaded. It implies that there
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is, you're either on our side and correct, or you're on the other side and it's a malicious decision
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to deny reality. I don't, I think there are very few things that should be sacrosanct.
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And even those, immune to debate, I mean, and transgenderism certainly shouldn't be one of it.
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I feel like the human rights tribunal is too big for its britches. I feel like it wants to be a grown
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up court and a legislature all at once. What do you think? Your point about the
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the implications of the word denial, I think are really relevant to the way this decision was
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framed. The tribunal noted that the question of whether transgender people exist and are entitled
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to dignity in this province is as valuable to ongoing public debate as whether one race
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is superior to another. So they directly equate this idea and the implication being that,
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you know, there's no legitimate debate over whether one race is superior to another. And so therefore,
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there really isn't room for ongoing debate as to what it means, you know, what the implications of
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being transgender are or what that means for for human gender and sexuality more generally.
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I find that incredible. I find that worrying. Now, I don't know. I don't. I've never met Mr.
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Neufeld. You've read the case carefully. I've just read the media reports. It seems like he was
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unrepresented. Did he have legal counsel or did he go in on his own? Do you know?
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Oh, that's right. He, you know, it actually was our old friend who used to work with the JCCF,
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right? I'm sorry. I just forgot. Yeah. James Kitchen. James Kitchen. Sorry. That's right. I did
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see that. It felt like one of those cases that, you know, you have this irascible
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troublemaker who like Bill Watcott, who just won't stop talking about something. And the entire state
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keeps coming down on him again and again. And it just makes him tougher. It's like an egg.
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The hotter the water you put him in, the harder he boils. I don't think anyone will ever change
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Mr. Neufeld's mind. In fact, the ruling sort of said that when they refused to put him in a
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re-education camp, they said, we're not going to crack this nut. I don't know if there are some
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people out there who are so stubborn, they simply refuse to believe that men can be women. And what do
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you do with some of that stubborn? I don't know. I guess you bill them 750 grand.
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I don't know. Do we know anything about what's going to happen to you? Do you know if there's
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going to be appeal? I hope there will be. I don't know. I certainly hope there is. This
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is a troubling decision. And like I said earlier, it seems to be at odds with what the Supreme Court
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has said. Hatred means it's a high bar. You know, this kind of dates, like the hatred provisions in
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the criminal code were challenged at the Supreme Court in the nineties and the Supreme Court narrowly
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approved them. But that rested on this very high bar for what hatred means. It's supposed to be the
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worst kind of speech. It's supposed to refer only to the sorts of things that could lead to a group
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of people essentially facing a genocide or something comparable to that in Canada. But this case
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essentially blows the lid off that definition and greatly expands how it can be applied.
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You know, I think I remember reading that case. I mean, I think it was in 1990. I think it was
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a 5-4 ruling. I think Beverly McLaughlin, who went on to become the chief justice,
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wrote the dissenting view. And if I recall, and I'm going from my memory here, she said,
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uh, this is, you know, this is a slippery slope. And the other judges said, no, no, this will be so
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rarely used. We're going to uphold the constitution. Nothing to worry about here. Maybe I've got some of my
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details there wrong. But, but you could see that slippery slope starting to slip in 1990. Here we
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are 36 years later. And, um, I guess they didn't throw him in prison. So there's that. I don't know.
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If I recall, um, Premier Eby was actually the head of the BC Civil Liberties Association in this day.
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Is that right? I think he's always been sort of a progressive lawyer. Um, maybe he likes this kind
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of radicalism in his human rights commissions. Do we know if there's any feedback from the
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legislature or from the premier on this? Cause it's a pretty dramatic decision for a little board
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or commission to make. Uh, I'm not sure about the, the legislative response, but, um, there's
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some serious implications for kind of local democracy at play too. And, and I hope the legislature can,
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can respond and, and, uh, intervene here because the, uh, one of, I mean, as you raised Neufeld is a,
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or was a, uh, a school trustee and he was criticizing the school board's policy in education. He was
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criticizing the materials that children were being shown. And one of the things the tribunal did is
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they, uh, they essentially took a side on the debate. They said that the, the SOGI materials that he was
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criticizing, uh, propose all these benefits. They, they increase visibility, protection and inclusion
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for transgender students. Uh, and so essentially there's no justification for, uh, Mr. Neufeld to be
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opposing these things. Only a denier would deny it. Yeah. That's they've ended the debate. And if you're
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on the other side, you are a denier, you know, get ready to pay up. Wow. You know what? I'm so glad you
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guys are following this. And, uh, I think James Kipchin is an alumnus of the JCCF, if I'm not
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mistaken. And so I wasn't surprised to see his name on that. Uh, well, listen, keep, keep your eye on
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this. Keep up the good work. I know the JCCF or the justice center is, uh, one of the leading civil
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liberties groups in Canada. And I'm glad you're attentive to this. Who knows? Maybe if it goes to
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an appeal, you guys will intervene on the side of free speech. Uh, yeah, we'll definitely be keeping
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our eye on this, uh, troubling situation. Great to talk with you. Adam Kier. Good to meet you.
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Thanks for having me. All right. Stay with us. Your letters to me next.
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Hey, welcome back. Your letters to me. Rory Kennedy says, I don't want Islam protected in any way.
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Well, um, the religious freedom fellowship that we were talking about is a specific focus on
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Christian and Jewish, uh, discrimination as an anti-Christian and anti-Jewish discrimination,
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uh, partly because that's the bulk of it, especially, uh, on the Jewish side. But as
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we talked about on the Christian side, most people just ignore it completely. They don't even know.
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It's just the new normal churches burning a subtle anti-Christian bigotry in the media.
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So that's what this, uh, fellowship is about. It's about stopping that.
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Gary Wagner says, so accomplish something, Danielle. So far, mostly talk. Albertans are fed up. That's
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been obvious for years. The liberal socialists have been butt pumping Alberta for over a decade,
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and nothing has been done about it. And MOU is worthless. The cost of living is relentless.
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Our buying power is eroding every day. Enough is enough. Well, um, listen, no other premier in
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Canadian history has allowed a referendum to proceed, and one will be proceeding in Alberta on October 19th.
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And I much, very much do appreciate the premier saying she will not take the bait of opposition
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journalists and condemn people who want to exercise their franchise and vote. Why would she, why,
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why would she run errands for the CBC? I think Danielle Smith is doing a good job.
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Tamara Shields says, I'm a boomer who knows better than to believe any mainstream news,
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especially CBC. I also support Alberta separation. Plus, never voted. The liberals never will.
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Sadly, though, there are far too many foolish boomers and believe the lying propaganda.
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It'll be very interesting to see how it goes. I think you're going to see operation fear being
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used, uh, against Alberta independence. That's literally what it was called in the UK during Brexit.
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So, uh, be interesting to see if they deploy some of those same anti-independence referendum
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talking points in Alberta as they did in the UK. That's our show for the day. Until tomorrow,
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on behalf of all, until Monday, pardon me, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters,
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to you at home, good night, and keep fighting for freedom.
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Hey, everybody. If you live in Alberta or are traveling there, can I invite you to attend our
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very interesting independence tour? The lovely ladies and gents behind me there, Sheila Gunn-Reed,
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Tamara Leach, and Cory Morgan are on tour all over Alberta, talking about Alberta's future and independence.
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Cory's got a book on sovereignty. Tamara Leach, of course, has held the line. And Sheila's got a new book
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also on the lessons to learn from Quebec's attempts at independence. These are the cities that the tour has
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yet to go to. Red Deer, tomorrow night, the 20th. Edmonton on the 21st. I'll be there, by the way. Hope to see you.
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Calgary on the 26th. I'll see you there. Madison Hat on the 27th. I gotta go, too. I'll see you there.
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Lethbridge on the 28th. I'll be there. Westlock on March 5th. I'm sorry I can't make it there,
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but I might be able to switch things around. And finally, Grand Prairie on March 6th. You can see
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all these dates if you didn't catch them at once. You can see them all at independenctour.com.
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We've already sold out the Edmonton venue. I'm worried we're going to sell out the others if you don't
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move fast. So please go to independenctour.com. If you're interested in Western independence,
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Alberta independence, if you want to get the books or talk to our personalities there,
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including myself or four of them, we'll see you there. That's independenctour.com.