Rebel News Podcast - October 31, 2018


Brazil elects right-wing president. What does it mean？


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Jair Bolsonaro is Brazil s next president, and he's running on a far-right platform. Is he a fascist? Or is he a leftist? And why is the media so scared of him? Ezra Levant explains it all.

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00:00:00.000 Tonight, Brazil votes overwhelmingly for a right-wing president.
00:00:03.740 What does it mean?
00:00:04.840 It's October 30, and you're watching The Ezra Levant Show.
00:00:13.420 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
00:00:17.200 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
00:00:20.940 You come here once a year with a sign, and you feel morally superior.
00:00:24.260 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it
00:00:27.920 is because it's my bloody right to do so.
00:00:34.400 I didn't know much about Jair Bolsonaro
00:00:37.340 until I heard that Facebook was blocking his campaign sites.
00:00:43.020 And that was a sign to me that he was an important force
00:00:45.620 that challenged the establishment, the status quo,
00:00:48.680 because that's the same move that Facebook did
00:00:51.020 to conservative parties around the world
00:00:53.220 after conservatives used the social media platform
00:00:56.320 to help win the Brexit vote and to help elect Donald Trump.
00:01:00.540 It was shortly after Trump's victory that Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, Google,
00:01:04.340 all the big tech companies headquartered in San Francisco,
00:01:07.240 the most left-wing city in America,
00:01:09.420 they just got together and decided to interfere with elections going forward.
00:01:13.020 So, for example, they deleted 30,000 Facebook pages in France
00:01:18.180 that supported Marine Le Pen.
00:01:19.800 Again, they just called them fake accounts.
00:01:22.500 And you'll have to take their word for it
00:01:24.640 because Mark Zuckerberg would never lie to you.
00:01:28.780 So when I heard they were coming for this Jair Bolsonaro character,
00:01:32.640 the right-winger in Brazil,
00:01:34.400 and when I saw that Facebook was even blocking
00:01:36.840 another one of its subsidiaries,
00:01:39.840 a communications app called WhatsApp,
00:01:42.180 it's really an encrypted chat service,
00:01:43.960 I knew this Bolsonaro had the left-wing establishment scared.
00:01:49.560 I was watching out of the corner of my eye
00:01:51.120 because, frankly, not a lot of people in Canada
00:01:53.300 follow Brazil closely, not me.
00:01:56.160 But then this happened,
00:01:57.440 and turn away now for a minute
00:01:58.920 if you don't want to see violence,
00:02:00.900 because about a month ago, as you know,
00:02:03.260 Bolsonaro was stabbed while campaigning
00:02:06.500 at a meet-and-greet.
00:02:08.400 A leftist extremist just walked right up to him 0.97
00:02:10.560 and put a knife in him, 0.65
00:02:11.480 and he lost 40% of his blood before he was stabilized.
00:02:14.920 He nearly died.
00:02:16.320 So turn away now if you don't want to see that.
00:02:19.240 Take a look.
00:02:20.840 There he is.
00:02:21.760 Oh, it was so quick, but down he went.
00:02:23.940 Here's another point of view of it.
00:02:26.840 Frankly, that could be any politician
00:02:28.360 campaigning anywhere in a crowd like that,
00:02:31.440 a Canadian, an American.
00:02:33.160 Don't think they wouldn't do that to Donald Trump if they could.
00:02:35.560 So Bolsonaro was banned by Facebook
00:02:38.480 and banned by the communications company WhatsApp
00:02:42.260 that's owned by Facebook,
00:02:43.500 and then he was stabbed,
00:02:45.840 but he won nonetheless.
00:02:48.740 And by the way, his family is in politics with him,
00:02:51.640 his sons.
00:02:53.240 And they won too.
00:02:54.300 His son Flavio just won massively,
00:02:57.480 more than 4 million votes,
00:02:59.540 to be the senator for Rio.
00:03:01.400 And his other son Carlos is an alderman in Rio,
00:03:06.420 and his other son Eduardo
00:03:08.380 just set a new record
00:03:10.580 for the total number of votes
00:03:13.120 ever received by a Brazilian lawmaker.
00:03:14.880 So something's happening.
00:03:17.320 A man and a family that has spooked Facebook
00:03:19.480 into censoring him,
00:03:21.900 a man that the left tried to stab to death,
00:03:24.800 he has set records,
00:03:25.780 and his family is setting records.
00:03:28.120 It's truly a wave.
00:03:29.520 So what is it?
00:03:30.000 What's happening?
00:03:31.560 Well, I hardly need to tell you
00:03:32.820 that the mainstream media
00:03:33.620 is calling Bolsonaro far-right,
00:03:35.500 but that really doesn't tell us anything useful.
00:03:37.580 They call everyone they don't like far-right these days.
00:03:40.040 I really don't even know what that means anymore,
00:03:42.020 do you?
00:03:42.700 Other than the media in question doesn't like him.
00:03:44.580 I mean, it surely doesn't mean racist,
00:03:47.820 I don't think,
00:03:49.040 at least not in the sense that the CBC
00:03:50.540 or the BBC or the New York Times
00:03:52.060 would use that term.
00:03:52.760 I mean, Brazil is a majority-minority country.
00:03:56.520 Europeans, the ethnicity, are a minority.
00:03:58.580 So-called mixed-race citizens are about half the population,
00:04:03.600 plus there are black and Asian and Aboriginal people there.
00:04:06.900 If Bolsonaro got 55% of the vote this weekend
00:04:09.620 in the presidential runoff,
00:04:11.240 and his sons are setting new records,
00:04:14.680 I don't think you can call that racist.
00:04:16.300 And I think that's what the media usually means
00:04:19.220 when they say far-right.
00:04:20.240 I mean, Brazil is not a rich country,
00:04:22.220 at least most of its people aren't.
00:04:23.980 Their economy has been pretty much stuck for a decade.
00:04:27.120 They're poor.
00:04:28.120 So it's working men and working women 0.99
00:04:31.180 and poor people who voted for him,
00:04:33.300 and obviously an enormous number of minorities.
00:04:36.620 So what do they mean by far-right?
00:04:39.200 The New York Times isn't much help.
00:04:41.280 Look at this tweet the other day.
00:04:43.140 Breaking news!
00:04:44.000 Brazil has joined the ranks of countries,
00:04:45.720 tilting to the far-right,
00:04:47.240 choosing Jair Bolsonaro, a divisive populist, as president.
00:04:52.240 Okay, well, hang on.
00:04:53.380 I took statistics in first-year university.
00:04:57.680 Statistically speaking,
00:04:59.400 if someone gets 55% of the vote,
00:05:02.100 I don't think you can say they're far-right.
00:05:06.320 They may have won the votes of the far-right voters,
00:05:09.760 and they'd also have the votes of the right
00:05:11.560 and the center-right,
00:05:12.560 but they're all the way to the center now,
00:05:14.240 and they've got more than half the vote,
00:05:15.280 so they're actually getting some of the center-left votes.
00:05:19.800 I mean, isn't that what 55% out of 100 means?
00:05:22.060 You really can't be extremist or far anything
00:05:25.060 because you're more than half the people,
00:05:28.100 more than half the spectrum.
00:05:29.720 And is he divisive?
00:05:32.140 Well, I suppose any election is divisive
00:05:34.020 in that you call for a division, as they say.
00:05:36.800 You ask people to choose sides.
00:05:38.640 That's sort of what we do in elections.
00:05:40.240 But 55% is more unified than Canada's elections
00:05:44.680 have been for decades.
00:05:47.060 The last Canadian prime minister to win
00:05:48.840 more than 50% of the vote
00:05:50.260 was Brian Mulroney back in 1984.
00:05:53.160 He just squeaked past 50%.
00:05:54.760 So for 34 years, we've been ruled
00:05:56.740 by a party that won in the 30% or the 40%.
00:06:01.000 Justin Trudeau just got 39%.
00:06:03.020 So how could 55% be divisive?
00:06:06.280 That's more than Donald Trump.
00:06:08.700 God, that's more than Barack Obama got.
00:06:11.680 I don't think a Canadian prime minister
00:06:13.420 has won 55% of the vote
00:06:14.720 since the election of 1917,
00:06:17.340 if I've done my research right.
00:06:18.960 So it would be a once-in-a-century-type unity in Canada.
00:06:23.280 Now, I'm not going to deny
00:06:24.180 that Bolsonaro is quite dramatic.
00:06:26.580 And I think he is right-wing,
00:06:28.960 maybe very right-wing in his style, at least.
00:06:33.020 He's militant. 0.82
00:06:34.000 His signature gesture is that he's shooting a gun. 0.78
00:06:38.380 But those are just fingers.
00:06:41.340 He's talked about a brutal cleansing
00:06:43.040 that his country needs to rid it of leftists.
00:06:45.440 I'm not sure if that's just imagery and a metaphor.
00:06:48.620 I think he uses dramatic language,
00:06:50.420 the sorts I've never seen used
00:06:52.420 to describe the risks of the left, though.
00:06:57.200 Here's just one example where he's worried
00:06:58.880 about the pervasive influence of communists
00:07:01.780 from Cuba.
00:07:03.500 You can see it's translated there.
00:07:06.140 He's worried about communists
00:07:07.160 in the school system in Brazil.
00:07:08.400 He says, teaching in Brazil.
00:07:11.900 Take barracks.
00:07:12.920 Take schools and universities.
00:07:14.260 Attack armor.
00:07:15.420 Attack ideas.
00:07:16.680 And he's quoting Gramsci.
00:07:18.140 So he's quoting a communist there.
00:07:20.720 And the thing is, in Latin America,
00:07:21.820 when you're worried about communists,
00:07:22.880 you really worry about communists.
00:07:24.240 It's not like a red scare in the United States.
00:07:26.940 It's very real in Latin America.
00:07:29.120 I mean, Brazil shares a border with Venezuela.
00:07:31.880 It's not far from Cuba.
00:07:33.740 Dictatorships and revolutions are not rare in South America.
00:07:36.280 I think Bolsonaro thinks the threat is real,
00:07:38.660 and I think he's right.
00:07:40.040 And his response to everything is so bold and so tough.
00:07:43.940 Maybe it looks like a caricature to us.
00:07:45.780 Maybe it looks extreme to us.
00:07:46.700 But I think in Brazil, which is in a crisis,
00:07:50.160 I think it rings true. 0.95
00:07:52.660 And I call it a crisis.
00:07:53.660 What would you call it?
00:07:54.600 Let me give you a little bit of background here.
00:07:56.160 One of Bolsonaro's predecessors is this man named Lula,
00:08:00.920 who is a full-out socialist strongman,
00:08:03.500 a friend of Iran.
00:08:04.900 He's in prison now for corruption and fraud.
00:08:07.820 And he was succeeded by his chief of staff, Dilma Rousseff,
00:08:12.340 who was also impeached for corruption.
00:08:14.460 I mean, these folks are taking bribes. 0.99
00:08:15.760 They milked the system.
00:08:17.940 They're all socialist extremists. 0.99
00:08:19.980 Even soldiers are terrorists. 0.83
00:08:21.660 Here's Dilma Rousseff when she was younger.
00:08:23.420 She was on trial for some guerrilla activity.
00:08:26.340 I mean, they claim they're fighting for the little people.
00:08:29.700 And maybe they were when they were young.
00:08:30.880 But when in office, just like all Latin American strongmen, 0.94
00:08:33.740 just like Hugo Chavez and Nicolas Maduro in Venezuela,
00:08:36.640 and just like the Castros in Cuba,
00:08:37.980 they became millionaires and billionaires.
00:08:40.220 So I think they've broken the hearts of maybe the left in Brazil
00:08:44.320 who see them as corrupt, Lula and Rousseff.
00:08:46.940 And they see this Bolsonaro and they say he's legit.
00:08:48.920 You see why Bolsonaro's tough medicine was appealing?
00:08:53.300 Because the establishment was so crooked.
00:08:56.520 And you see why his worries about communism are not really that far removed from reality.
00:09:02.200 Hugo Chavez, Dilma Rousseff.
00:09:03.620 Now, I know a lot about Donald Trump, and I think you probably do too.
00:09:06.700 Like you, I've watched him in the public square for decades as a person,
00:09:10.560 as a TV personality, as perhaps the most accessible politician in memory.
00:09:14.760 He has surely done more long-form, unscripted stream-of-consciousness speeches
00:09:19.340 than any politician in the TV age.
00:09:21.480 He tweets up a storm.
00:09:22.580 I know about Trump, and I know his excesses are usually just rhetorical.
00:09:26.340 He's actually very closely bound by the Constitution and how he acts.
00:09:29.540 And whenever some leftist journalist says he's acting like a rogue,
00:09:33.380 well, the Supreme Court upholds Trump's orders again and again,
00:09:36.500 like the travel ban, for example.
00:09:38.040 So Trump is actually not a rogue.
00:09:41.820 I'm not worried about Trump going rogue.
00:09:44.720 All the worries about him are ginned up.
00:09:46.460 This whole Russia thing, where's that, eh?
00:09:48.480 Where's that gone?
00:09:49.940 Bolsonaro?
00:09:51.340 Now, I know little about him.
00:09:52.700 I know he has made some extreme statements about social issues,
00:09:55.860 about his political rivals.
00:09:56.800 I don't know if that's just rhetorical like Trump.
00:10:00.220 I don't know if that's just the Brazilian style.
00:10:02.400 I don't know.
00:10:03.420 I don't know if it's something more dangerous.
00:10:04.820 I don't know.
00:10:05.320 But for now, I know that he has specifically said he wants to reorient Brazil towards freedom and prosperity.
00:10:14.640 And that's the opposite of what most Latin American strongmen say.
00:10:19.180 Bolsonaro says he'll be an ally of the United States.
00:10:22.220 That's got to be a good sign, I think.
00:10:24.720 Here's a tweet he wrote in Portuguese.
00:10:27.060 And you can see the translation underneath.
00:10:28.800 The translation reads,
00:10:29.800 We just received a call from the President of the United States, Donald Trump,
00:10:33.720 congratulating us on this historic election.
00:10:35.900 We express the desire to bring these two great nations closer together
00:10:38.700 and to advance on the path of freedom and prosperity.
00:10:41.400 I'd say better a friendly phone call with America than a friendly phone call with Cuba or Russia 0.93
00:10:50.500 or these days China or Iran.
00:10:53.720 And that happens with other Latin American countries, doesn't it?
00:10:57.680 I mean, Venezuela and Iran are shockingly close.
00:11:01.080 Other great democracies besides America reached out to Bolsonaro too.
00:11:05.360 Here's France.
00:11:06.180 I'm sure Emmanuel Macron has his differences with Bolsonaro.
00:11:09.780 Bolsonaro is the legitimately elected leader of the country.
00:11:14.540 And France fancies itself a land of diplomacy.
00:11:17.120 And really, how impertinent would it be for a foreign government 0.99
00:11:19.900 to disagree with a country's self-determination on the eve, on the night of its election?
00:11:24.960 Here's Russia. 0.92
00:11:25.980 Same thing.
00:11:26.540 Vladimir Putin.
00:11:27.680 He has big plans.
00:11:30.140 And Putin has been successful diplomatically for a decade under Obama
00:11:34.920 and the weakness of Angela Merkel.
00:11:36.740 But now Trump is sort of pushing Putin back and rolling China back in ways that didn't happen under Obama.
00:11:41.840 I bet Putin is worried that Latin America could tilt more towards the United States and away from the communists.
00:11:47.440 Don't you think he's worried?
00:11:48.480 Here's Matteo Salvini, who I'm following in Italy.
00:11:50.960 He's a bit rambunctious, isn't he?
00:11:54.400 I'll just read the translation there.
00:11:56.340 Even in Brazil, the citizens have sent home the left.
00:11:58.980 Good work for the president Bolsonaro.
00:12:00.260 Bolsonaro, the friendship between our peoples and our governments will be even stronger.
00:12:04.700 I think there's such a wave of new leaders like this in Hungary, in Austria, in Poland.
00:12:10.160 Leaders who no longer bend the knee to the European Union or the United Nations or the leftist globalists, for that matter.
00:12:15.800 I think it's a new club.
00:12:17.380 Don't you think?
00:12:18.640 They're all chatting with each other now.
00:12:20.300 Let me show you the most interesting tweet from Bolsonaro in my point of view.
00:12:22.920 Look at this.
00:12:24.020 This is the English version.
00:12:25.840 Or actually, I think he wrote it in English.
00:12:27.360 I've just received incredible words from the Prime Minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, as well as from Ambassador Yossi Shelley.
00:12:35.780 Our friendship ties will undoubtedly result in mutual agreements that will surely benefit both our nations and citizens.
00:12:42.940 And look at that, the little flags.
00:12:44.840 When was the last time you seen a Latin American boss roll out the Israeli flag in a tweet?
00:12:50.820 How shockingly new and refreshing is that from what one could call a third world country? 0.98
00:12:56.940 A place that has done business with Iran and other haters before.
00:13:00.440 I'm actually amazed, and I think that is a good proxy for what Bolsonaro thinks about a lot of items, including the UN, which hates Israel and the global left and the OPEC oil powers.
00:13:09.520 I think he's at least against them or doesn't care about them.
00:13:12.500 Maybe that's one reason why the New York Times thinks Bolsonaro is divisive, because they would never say such pro-Israel things ever.
00:13:19.700 And then there's Justin Trudeau and his disaster of a foreign minister, Chrystia Freeland.
00:13:26.700 They put out a perfunctory release, not even mentioning Bolsonaro by name, let alone congratulating him.
00:13:35.960 Now, Bolsonaro hasn't even been sworn in yet.
00:13:38.800 He hasn't even done anything yet.
00:13:40.440 And Trudeau is already snubbing him and 210 million Brazilians.
00:13:46.140 It's the fifth biggest country in the world.
00:13:48.780 Not even a moment of grace and self-control, not even a moment to say congratulations.
00:13:54.420 We disagree on things, but congratulations on being a Democrat.
00:13:58.540 Why start off on a bad foot?
00:14:01.660 Is it because Bolsonaro has no time for globalists and the UN and leftists and anti-Israel activists and global warming extremism?
00:14:07.560 Yeah, probably.
00:14:09.420 But just this past week, it's funny, Trudeau met and posed for photo with Erdogan, the president of Turkey,
00:14:15.420 who's authoritarian, who currently imprisons more journalists than any other country in the world,
00:14:21.800 who is persecuting Kurds and Christians, who props up ISIS.
00:14:25.660 Trudeau won't just say nice words to him.
00:14:27.960 He'll pose with a smiley selfie with him.
00:14:30.440 Trudeau has no problem hobnobbing in communist China, the world's biggest dictatorship. 0.64
00:14:36.280 That's Trudeau putting us on the bad foot with Brazil, but hobnobbing with the bad guys, 0.59
00:14:43.320 like he's put us on the wrong foot with every country from India to the United States,
00:14:49.760 especially in the NAFTA negotiations to Israel and Australia, and even with Saudi Arabia.
00:14:53.900 Now he's snubbing Brazil because they voted in a way he didn't like.
00:14:57.680 That's none of his business.
00:15:00.540 Trudeau prefers Fidel Castro.
00:15:02.000 Castro, recall his loving eulogy.
00:15:05.660 It is with deep sorrow today that I learned of the death of Cuba's longest-serving president.
00:15:10.000 Longest-serving?
00:15:10.940 He was a dictator.
00:15:12.580 He never faced an election.
00:15:14.140 He was a prison warden to his island.
00:15:16.340 Let me just read a little bit more here.
00:15:17.840 While a controversial figure, both Mr. Castro's supporters and detractors recognized his tremendous
00:15:23.620 dedication and love for the Cuban people who had a deep and lasting affection for El Comandante.
00:15:29.520 Yeah, all those prisoners in the gulags.
00:15:31.680 They had a deep and loving affection for him.
00:15:34.640 This is what Trudeau says about a brutal dictator, and he will not even say Bolsonaro's name.
00:15:40.780 He won't even congratulate him for winning democratically, but will say Castro was a longest-serving president.
00:15:46.500 As if, wow, you won again, Fidel.
00:15:50.080 For him, for Castro's, Trudeau's generous, but for Bolsonaro, he couldn't be chillier.
00:15:59.280 That is not professional diplomacy.
00:16:00.860 That is a temper tantrum.
00:16:03.020 That is a tantrum.
00:16:03.700 That is a pout. 1.00
00:16:04.540 But to be really honest with you, I don't think Jair Bolsonaro cares.
00:16:10.960 It looks to me, just on Twitter at least, like his dance card is full of A-list countries, like Brazil sort of is.
00:16:21.640 I don't yet know what Bolsonaro will be like in power.
00:16:24.920 No one does.
00:16:25.420 Maybe not even himself yet.
00:16:27.260 But I do know one thing.
00:16:28.260 If you take your steer from the New York Times and the CBC, you probably won't learn much,
00:16:35.240 other than he's divisive and far-right, and Justin Trudeau doesn't like him.
00:16:40.060 But then again, they would probably say the same things about you, wouldn't they?
00:16:47.320 Stay with us for more.
00:16:58.260 Welcome back.
00:17:05.540 Well, crime is a fact of life, always has been, always will be, going back to Cain and Abel.
00:17:11.460 But sometimes a murder or a rape can crystallize a political moment and become much larger than just another statistics in Canada.
00:17:21.680 I refer, of course, to Carla Homolko and Paul Bernardo.
00:17:25.500 But I think there might have been such a crime committed in Italy that is far larger than just the horror and the tragedy of one family,
00:17:35.480 but it's speaking to a whole nation.
00:17:37.600 It reminds me of the terrorist attack in Nice, France, where a Muslim extremist got behind the wheel of a truck
00:17:44.960 and barreled along a paradeway for miles, killing or injuring 500 Frenchmen on their national day.
00:17:52.700 Of course, that's a terrorist attack, but what happened near Rome was not styled as a terrorist attack,
00:17:58.680 but the four men charged with raping and murdering a young woman.
00:18:04.740 A young woman, well, they are all migrants who recently crossed into Italy from Africa. 1.00
00:18:12.380 And joining us now to talk about this crystallizing moment, this horrific crime,
00:18:17.280 and its political ramifications, is our new friend Alessandra Bocci,
00:18:21.740 who is an investigative journalist based in Milan, Italy, who has covered the migrant phenomenon.
00:18:27.580 Alessandra, great to see you again. Thanks for joining us.
00:18:30.200 Thanks for having me.
00:18:31.720 It's a horrific crime, and I don't even want to recount the details because I don't want to say them,
00:18:36.260 but surely we must say them because we have to understand them and we have to know what is going on in Italy.
00:18:42.220 Can you tell us, and it's such a horrific thing, but I want our viewers to know,
00:18:47.500 can you tell us the crime the police say was committed near Rome, and can you tell us who was accused of it?
00:18:55.460 Yes. So this 16-year-old girl called Desiree Mariotini, she was a drug addict. 0.98
00:19:02.780 She was known to be a drug addict even by her parents. 0.99
00:19:07.320 And basically she would ask for drugs in exchange for sex sometimes. 0.97
00:19:15.880 Like, she was in a bad situation herself.
00:19:19.600 And one night she was in the suburbs of Rome,
00:19:22.860 and she ended up in this squatting building of illegal immigrants, 0.94
00:19:27.340 mostly sub-Saharan African immigrants, but also Arab immigrants.
00:19:31.200 And she ended up being drugged.
00:19:34.980 She was purposely given the wrong drug mixture, 0.96
00:19:39.700 the investigators found, so that they could rape her more easily. 1.00
00:19:43.880 And she was raped and eventually killed through suffocation. 0.77
00:19:48.180 And four people were arrested,
00:19:50.400 two Senegalese men, then one Nigerian man,
00:19:53.580 and one man from Ghana as well recently.
00:19:56.600 Now, it's a horrific crime.
00:20:00.520 And the ethnic identity, the national identity of these men
00:20:04.440 who had crossed over from the Mediterranean,
00:20:07.540 who were squatting in this building,
00:20:09.720 this has really sparked a moment in Italy.
00:20:13.220 We see Matteo Salvini, the charismatic cabinet minister,
00:20:18.600 part of the new conservative coalition in Italy.
00:20:22.240 He was on the scene and just a crush of reporters.
00:20:26.860 I mean, a horrific crime like this, of course,
00:20:28.600 would make the headlines in any event.
00:20:31.700 But this really seems to be much larger than just a crime.
00:20:34.560 This seems, I think, observing it from afar,
00:20:38.340 that it has crystallized the whole question of who are these people,
00:20:43.940 what are they doing here, and why are they allowed to be here?
00:20:47.140 Is that an accurate assessment?
00:20:48.460 Yes, this happened before.
00:20:52.360 There was a big case of this other teenage girl called Pamela Mastropietro, 1.00
00:20:57.360 who was also killed by illegal immigrants. 0.92
00:21:00.700 She was also drugged, killed, and she was mutilated,
00:21:03.000 and her body was found in two separate bags.
00:21:05.900 And actually, this triggered, this was before the election,
00:21:08.640 and this triggered a reaction from this, like, he was an open fascist, a Nazi. 0.54
00:21:18.140 He had, like, a Nazi tattoo on his face. 0.99
00:21:20.080 So this crazy guy went on a shooting rampage just at random at Africans in general. 0.98
00:21:27.120 Like, he didn't even know if they were illegal immigrants, 0.98
00:21:29.020 but that triggered that reaction.
00:21:31.400 The facts have changed now because we have this new government,
00:21:35.100 we have this new interior minister who's cracking down on crime
00:21:38.460 and on illegal immigration in the country.
00:21:41.200 So hopefully people, no one will feel the need to react that way anymore.
00:21:46.380 But it still shows that there's a problem,
00:21:48.300 despite the fact that immigration has almost entirely been stopped in the country,
00:21:52.040 there's still a problem with integration and with the people who are here,
00:21:56.100 who the interior minister, Matteo Salvini, had actually promised to deport.
00:22:00.400 But he's facing a lot of issues in doing so because there's so much backlash,
00:22:05.780 especially from the European Union.
00:22:07.800 You know, I recall that earlier horrific case that was very similar.
00:22:12.260 A young girl, repeatedly gang-raped, and then to cover up,
00:22:16.500 to dispose of the evidence, killed, and in that horrific case, cut up into pieces.
00:22:21.180 I didn't recall that that sparked that vigilante action.
00:22:25.400 I mean, obviously the crime was horrific, but it sparked that secondary crime of, 0.96
00:22:31.100 as you say, a fascist, randomly stabbing black people. 0.98
00:22:35.200 I think that's... 1.00
00:22:36.160 A shooting rampage, actually.
00:22:37.780 Oh, a shooting rampage.
00:22:38.840 Thank you for the correction.
00:22:40.060 No, from his car.
00:22:41.280 I had not really realized that.
00:22:44.940 I think there's a phenomenon there that if a problem is so bad
00:22:50.320 and the establishment and the authorities and the trustworthy people
00:22:53.680 who Daniel Pipes calls the 5P professionals,
00:22:56.640 the politicians, the press, the prosecutors, the police, the professors,
00:23:00.840 they all just happen to start with P.
00:23:02.500 If the 5P professionals ignore a problem,
00:23:06.480 the people restlessly, radically, out of desperation,
00:23:10.600 will find their own solution.
00:23:12.360 And in that first case, it was a vigilante reaction.
00:23:17.920 It sounds like that perhaps helped propel Salvini and the League
00:23:22.600 and the Five Star Coalition into power.
00:23:27.420 Is Salvini and the new government going to do something
00:23:30.700 about the hundreds of thousands of migrants
00:23:33.520 who were still in Italy squatting there,
00:23:35.420 like the ones in this slum tenement?
00:23:38.360 Yeah, so Matteo Salvini actually visited the place,
00:23:41.200 the building where this happened,
00:23:42.820 and he promised to make sure it was cleared out
00:23:48.320 from these illegal settlers, in a way.
00:23:53.020 And the locals there actually cheered him when he arrived,
00:23:57.380 but there were counter-protesters,
00:23:59.440 who I assume are not from the area,
00:24:01.600 because these areas have been completely abandoned,
00:24:04.740 and they're very degraded.
00:24:07.400 And there are these abandoned buildings
00:24:09.340 where illegal immigrants find a safe place to stay,
00:24:14.500 and they just become like a hotbed of crime and drug dealing.
00:24:19.940 We're showing on the screen now the counter-protest,
00:24:22.820 implying that Salvini is turning this teenager,
00:24:26.420 Desiree's body, into a political tool.
00:24:28.820 I suppose there is, you know, something to be said for that,
00:24:33.160 but it's also a problem that needs to be resolved.
00:24:37.000 And is he doing it?
00:24:39.480 I mean, I understand.
00:24:40.980 I mean, I think you're right.
00:24:42.020 I think it's a...
00:24:43.440 I think the European Union does not like Salvini.
00:24:46.580 They want to stop him in any way they can.
00:24:48.660 I don't know if these are organic protesters
00:24:50.920 or paid protesters.
00:24:52.160 I don't know.
00:24:52.820 But I suppose the criticism of him could be valid
00:24:55.980 if it was just a PR stop.
00:24:58.360 Is he taking steps?
00:25:00.040 Can he...
00:25:00.840 Does he have the power to deport people?
00:25:03.320 When you say the European Union is trying to stop him,
00:25:05.940 can they, or can he just order the police
00:25:08.840 to give these folks a summary trial,
00:25:11.020 put them on a plane, and get them out?
00:25:13.280 Well, it's not that easy.
00:25:15.420 Well, he should be able to do so
00:25:17.560 because he's the interior minister,
00:25:19.080 which means that he's responsible for security in the country.
00:25:21.800 But the problem is that there's...
00:25:24.960 Basically, countries are no longer controlled
00:25:29.220 by their national governments,
00:25:30.440 but by supranational organizations
00:25:32.020 like the European Union.
00:25:33.500 So the problem when you have an interior minister
00:25:37.080 or a government that wants to take action
00:25:38.980 that is contrary to what these supranational governments
00:25:42.940 or organizations want,
00:25:45.000 then they face a lot of backlash,
00:25:46.880 whether it's in the media
00:25:47.740 or just it trickles down into the government
00:25:51.080 and they get threats
00:25:52.080 and, you know, things of that sort
00:25:55.720 to stop them from doing so.
00:25:58.500 So that is really the issue at this point.
00:26:01.240 And I'm not sure how he's going to be able
00:26:03.760 to deport 100,000 of illegal immigrants,
00:26:08.500 but it was a campaign promise.
00:26:10.320 So we'll see what happens.
00:26:12.320 Yeah.
00:26:12.860 You know, it's funny.
00:26:13.620 I just returned from the United Kingdom
00:26:15.720 where I was there for Tommy Robinson's trial.
00:26:17.820 And you strip away all the sound and fury.
00:26:20.820 And the thing that motivates Tommy
00:26:22.300 is the phenomenon that's been going on in the UK
00:26:26.740 for actually decades of rape gangs. 0.96
00:26:30.400 So these are predominantly Pakistani Muslim men 0.99
00:26:33.320 who collectively work to exploit young girls. 0.99
00:26:39.060 You mentioned this was a teenage runaway or a prostitute. 0.95
00:26:42.760 In the case of the United Kingdom,
00:26:44.640 they're usually just working class British girls 1.00
00:26:46.460 as young as 11 who were sort of tricked
00:26:49.700 and trapped and exploited.
00:26:51.740 But then the rape gangs do continue 0.67
00:26:53.440 over the course of years in some cases.
00:26:57.180 There are the odd murder,
00:26:58.320 but often it's just these girls are trapped and exploited. 1.00
00:27:02.380 In the UK, the British response is typical Britain,
00:27:06.180 stip up her lip, keep calm and carry on.
00:27:08.500 Like they, it's almost like they're trying to restrain themselves.
00:27:13.300 And Tommy's the only one shouting about it
00:27:15.280 and they want to shut him up.
00:27:16.620 It seems to me that Italians,
00:27:18.180 I don't want to make a stereotype,
00:27:19.500 but Italians are more vocal,
00:27:21.860 are more, you know,
00:27:23.700 don't have that stiff British upper lip, 0.99
00:27:26.800 just shut up about it. 0.99
00:27:28.620 I guess I'm trying to make a comparison. 0.99
00:27:30.380 You've got a migrant crime wave of rape in the UK 1.00
00:27:33.200 and the establishment basically says,
00:27:36.340 hush up, don't talk about it.
00:27:38.500 I'm going to guess that Italians are different.
00:27:41.500 Am I stereotyping?
00:27:44.020 No, you're not.
00:27:45.140 I mean, we're not really the kind of people
00:27:47.180 that will go in the street and protest. 0.58
00:27:49.180 We're not really a revolutionary kind of people.
00:27:52.640 There were never really revolutions in this country.
00:27:55.520 However, I would say that culturally speaking,
00:27:58.600 political correctness is not as extreme
00:28:03.020 as it is in places like the United Kingdom
00:28:05.200 or even the United States.
00:28:06.600 So Salvini can talk openly about,
00:28:10.120 you know, immigration statistics
00:28:12.280 and crime statistics
00:28:13.840 without getting like this insane backlash and being,
00:28:17.200 well, he is being called a racist anyways,
00:28:18.940 but it's not,
00:28:20.100 the debate is not as polarized
00:28:21.860 and the dialogue isn't as toxic
00:28:23.820 as it is in the UK, I would say.
00:28:26.920 One last question for you.
00:28:29.100 I was observing the election in Brazil
00:28:31.980 and Jair Bolsonaro won
00:28:35.020 and he has some characteristics of Salvini
00:28:37.860 and some of Trump.
00:28:39.200 I think he's more radical than either man
00:28:41.940 and I think Brazil is in a more desperate state
00:28:44.480 than either America or Italy.
00:28:46.600 Has there been any Italian reaction to Bolsonaro?
00:28:52.700 Is he regarded as a fellow traveler to Salvini?
00:28:58.180 I mean, he's a character larger than life.
00:29:01.060 Is there, I see Bolsonaro has tweeted
00:29:03.220 that Donald Trump gave him a friendly phone call.
00:29:06.160 Is there any connection?
00:29:07.420 I'm trying to look at connections
00:29:08.660 between nationalist populist groups around the world
00:29:11.780 and I wonder if there's one between Italy and Brazil.
00:29:15.680 Yes, Mattel Salvini actually showed his support
00:29:18.300 on Twitter for Bolsonaro
00:29:20.140 and I would say he shares the stereotypical traits
00:29:24.680 and even causes of other populists
00:29:28.280 like Mattel Salvini or Donald Trump.
00:29:31.320 Really what it boils down to
00:29:33.060 is guaranteeing people
00:29:34.620 that they can feel secure in their homes
00:29:37.920 and on their streets
00:29:39.160 and they can have secure jobs
00:29:41.200 and that's all it boils down to
00:29:43.940 but somehow like the left
00:29:46.120 really and globally
00:29:48.840 seems to have committed suicide in a way
00:29:50.960 because they have focused more
00:29:53.300 on the issue of political correctness
00:29:56.620 rather than what they used to be about
00:29:59.540 which was protecting families
00:30:00.880 and protecting work
00:30:02.960 for particularly vulnerable people
00:30:05.420 so the working classes 0.79
00:30:06.460 and the middle classes.
00:30:08.280 I see news that Angela Merkel
00:30:10.520 has announced that she will not run again
00:30:12.400 and her term will expire
00:30:13.580 in a couple of years.
00:30:16.440 Is this regarded as some sort of a victory
00:30:19.220 or some sort of statement of defeat in Italy?
00:30:22.340 I know that Germany and France
00:30:23.960 have been very critical of Italy
00:30:26.260 its economic approach
00:30:27.880 but also its approach to open borders.
00:30:30.360 Give me the Italian take on Angela Merkel.
00:30:32.860 Well, she's not very much liked in this country
00:30:38.340 on either side of the aisle really
00:30:40.500 and even in Greece
00:30:43.220 I think she's even more hated in Greece 0.99
00:30:45.260 she's not popular in southern Europe in general
00:30:48.980 because of her austerity policies 1.00
00:30:50.840 that have really damaged southern European economies
00:30:54.640 so I think people are
00:30:57.240 like no one has made a public statement yet
00:31:00.340 but people are happy
00:31:02.260 I would say that finally her
00:31:04.400 the era where Merkel rules over Europe
00:31:07.540 is almost over
00:31:08.920 and we'll see who comes next
00:31:10.200 but it's not promised
00:31:12.320 that actually the next Chancellor of Germany
00:31:14.500 even if he or she is a populist
00:31:16.920 it doesn't mean that they will get along
00:31:18.560 with other European populists
00:31:20.900 it's not automatic anymore
00:31:22.440 because now that really
00:31:24.120 the populists have gained momentum
00:31:27.000 now they are taking care of their national interest
00:31:30.020 and sometimes they can clash
00:31:31.400 so what happened recently
00:31:32.960 is that the AFD from Germany
00:31:34.640 said that Italy's budget plan
00:31:37.680 was unacceptable
00:31:39.400 and was actually crazy
00:31:41.280 to use the words of the leader of the AFD
00:31:44.720 so in this case
00:31:46.800 the AFD is actually more extreme
00:31:48.640 than Merkel
00:31:49.780 when it comes to Germany's policies
00:31:52.180 towards southern Europe
00:31:53.020 because the AFD thinks
00:31:54.120 that Germany has been taken advantage of
00:31:56.020 and has essentially bailed out
00:31:58.620 these countries at its own expense
00:32:02.080 I have just one last question for you
00:32:06.500 I'm just so curious
00:32:07.780 and you're one of my doorways into Italy
00:32:09.860 it's a country I didn't honestly
00:32:12.500 pay a lot of attention to
00:32:13.780 but I think that it's moving so quickly
00:32:17.180 on important files
00:32:18.540 and I find it hard to get real information
00:32:23.220 about Italy
00:32:23.820 the same way I find it hard
00:32:25.300 to get real information about Hungary
00:32:27.140 because I think the mainstream media
00:32:28.960 is hostile to the new governments
00:32:31.460 in places like that
00:32:32.600 I want to ask you about
00:32:34.320 Italian feelings towards America
00:32:37.160 I think Brazil has been somewhat hostile
00:32:40.720 to America
00:32:41.440 but Bolsonaro seems very pro-American
00:32:44.780 is your ordinary Italian
00:32:47.140 skeptical of America
00:32:48.600 loving of America
00:32:50.260 do they have fond feelings towards America
00:32:52.140 and how about Trump
00:32:54.400 I mean here in Canada
00:32:55.360 it's a cottage industry to hate Trump
00:32:58.060 what does the average Mario
00:33:00.780 or Luigi on the street of Rome
00:33:04.200 think about Donald Trump in America?
00:33:06.120 I think that they are
00:33:09.440 they like Donald Trump
00:33:11.860 as you know
00:33:12.860 the ordinary people
00:33:14.920 the same people who voted
00:33:16.020 for the Five Star Movement
00:33:17.160 and for the League
00:33:18.200 like
00:33:18.920 are sympathetic towards Donald Trump
00:33:21.000 at the same time
00:33:22.680 they view America
00:33:23.800 as you know
00:33:24.940 it's a complicated relationship
00:33:26.580 because over the past few decades
00:33:28.460 America has really been
00:33:29.640 the leader of liberal internationalism
00:33:33.040 in Europe
00:33:33.520 and so
00:33:34.720 and also interventions
00:33:37.920 in the Middle East
00:33:38.720 which have dragged Europe
00:33:39.840 into wars
00:33:40.720 that many European countries
00:33:42.660 didn't want to get into
00:33:43.640 so I'm not sure exactly
00:33:46.740 it's a complicated relationship
00:33:49.120 but they're definitely supportive
00:33:50.580 of Donald Trump
00:33:51.680 and they don't have anything
00:33:53.120 against Americans 0.99
00:33:54.040 but just like the
00:33:55.460 you know
00:33:56.000 the neoconservative agenda
00:33:58.980 that has really dominated America
00:34:01.360 on the global scale
00:34:03.860 for the past few decades
00:34:05.020 well I find it very interesting
00:34:07.020 and I appreciate your help
00:34:08.060 in navigating these issues
00:34:09.420 I admired your courage
00:34:11.980 in covering
00:34:12.900 the mass migration
00:34:14.520 from Africa
00:34:15.960 into Europe
00:34:16.540 especially after
00:34:17.340 the West
00:34:18.520 deposed Muammar Gaddafi
00:34:19.980 and it's interesting
00:34:20.740 to see if that will be undone
00:34:21.940 thank you for
00:34:22.860 giving us the time
00:34:23.860 and we hope to keep in touch
00:34:24.940 with you Alessa
00:34:25.460 thanks for having me
00:34:27.320 all right
00:34:27.800 our pleasure
00:34:28.420 that's Alessandra Bocci
00:34:29.820 an independent freelance journalist
00:34:32.580 based in Milan
00:34:33.760 Italy
00:34:34.420 stay with us
00:34:35.020 more ahead on the road
00:34:35.720 hey welcome back
00:34:47.680 on my monologue yesterday
00:34:48.640 about the Pittsburgh synagogue
00:34:49.780 shooting
00:34:50.220 Paul writes
00:34:50.780 they couldn't jump on this tragedy
00:34:53.040 quickly enough
00:34:53.620 people aren't buying it
00:34:54.620 they went too far
00:34:55.720 a couple years ago
00:34:56.420 after the 2016 election
00:34:57.820 and they just keep going further
00:34:59.280 the media party
00:35:00.900 has become a joke
00:35:01.780 yeah you know what
00:35:03.580 what was so interesting
00:35:05.080 to me was to see
00:35:05.880 the rabbi
00:35:06.760 of the synagogue
00:35:07.560 who himself
00:35:08.240 who I presume was there
00:35:09.200 when the attack
00:35:10.320 and he said
00:35:11.280 Trump's my president
00:35:12.780 I'm a citizen
00:35:13.480 he's welcome here
00:35:14.220 every time
00:35:14.720 it would be super weird
00:35:16.180 to say anything
00:35:17.620 other than that
00:35:18.520 just if you're a person
00:35:20.480 of any leadership
00:35:21.500 and any civic duty
00:35:22.800 at all
00:35:23.220 let alone
00:35:24.160 to go with CNN's
00:35:25.960 weird partisanship
00:35:26.980 after 11 of your
00:35:29.400 flock
00:35:30.480 were just killed 0.99
00:35:31.540 by a madman 1.00
00:35:33.800 not by Donald Trump 1.00
00:35:34.760 CNN's so gross 0.95
00:35:36.060 but no grosser 0.99
00:35:37.720 than any other
00:35:38.260 mainstream media
00:35:38.880 Robert writes
00:35:40.980 Soros is now 0.95
00:35:42.480 a protected name
00:35:43.160 that can't even
00:35:43.780 be mentioned
00:35:44.640 yeah I know
00:35:45.980 what you mean
00:35:46.340 I mean it's
00:35:46.980 if you criticize
00:35:47.820 George Soros
00:35:48.400 you're called
00:35:48.760 anti-semitic
00:35:49.420 the funny thing
00:35:50.560 is George Soros
00:35:51.440 while ethnically
00:35:52.340 and I suppose
00:35:52.960 he's hereditarily
00:35:54.320 Jewish
00:35:54.980 he has renounced
00:35:56.660 Judaism
00:35:57.400 like his father has
00:35:58.520 and he's quite active
00:35:59.640 against the Jewish state 0.77
00:36:01.380 I suppose if Judaism 0.98
00:36:02.400 is defined
00:36:03.080 genetically
00:36:05.660 like you were born
00:36:06.720 to a Jew
00:36:07.380 yeah he's Jewish
00:36:09.580 but in his heart
00:36:12.640 and his mind
00:36:13.400 and his actions
00:36:14.320 and his words
00:36:15.080 he's about the most
00:36:16.520 hostile thing
00:36:17.220 to Israel around
00:36:17.960 you know
00:36:18.780 saying that
00:36:19.440 criticizing globalism
00:36:20.920 is code for
00:36:21.500 criticizing Jews 0.99
00:36:22.940 is insane 0.98
00:36:23.780 when you realize
00:36:24.480 that the most
00:36:25.080 globalist institutions
00:36:26.980 the United Nations
00:36:27.820 and I'd throw the EU
00:36:28.880 in there too
00:36:29.500 are very hostile
00:36:31.300 to Jews
00:36:32.540 and to Israel
00:36:33.320 on my interview
00:36:35.180 with T. Lee Humphrey
00:36:36.380 Francis writes
00:36:37.180 if you are a terrorist 0.96
00:36:39.240 a Canadian is a Canadian 0.97
00:36:41.200 extends to
00:36:42.500 if you're not a Canadian
00:36:44.280 you're a Canadian
00:36:45.160 well that's the thing
00:36:46.100 about Jihadi Jack
00:36:47.200 I've read
00:36:49.360 that he has not
00:36:50.140 ever set foot
00:36:50.980 in Canada
00:36:51.600 and I would believe
00:36:53.040 that
00:36:53.300 I haven't quite
00:36:54.060 exhausted my curiosity
00:36:55.400 and confirmed that
00:36:56.980 but there really
00:36:57.780 is no tie there
00:36:58.760 other than his dad
00:36:59.700 has a joint citizenship
00:37:00.980 or something
00:37:01.680 so for him
00:37:03.220 to try and weasel
00:37:04.000 his way out of the UK
00:37:04.900 into Canada
00:37:05.740 and for Trudeau's
00:37:07.740 bureaucrats
00:37:08.700 and diplomats
00:37:09.300 to assist 0.93
00:37:09.920 is super gross
00:37:11.280 and what
00:37:12.840 bothers me
00:37:13.920 is that we haven't
00:37:15.520 charged any of these
00:37:16.720 terrorist returnees
00:37:17.940 as Lee and I
00:37:19.580 discussed
00:37:20.320 you don't need
00:37:22.280 to prove
00:37:23.040 beyond a reasonable
00:37:24.940 doubt
00:37:25.280 in a court of law
00:37:26.140 that someone
00:37:26.560 threw a grenade
00:37:27.360 or God forbid 1.00
00:37:28.880 raped a rape slave 1.00
00:37:30.460 in Syria 1.00
00:37:31.000 you don't need
00:37:31.580 that kind of proof
00:37:32.180 those legal standards
00:37:34.160 that we use
00:37:34.660 in a court of law
00:37:35.320 don't apply
00:37:36.020 to the theater of war
00:37:37.380 and so our criminal code
00:37:39.260 and other anti-terrorism laws
00:37:40.720 take that into account
00:37:42.240 simply going there
00:37:43.760 simply showing support
00:37:46.600 giving support
00:37:47.540 to ISIS
00:37:48.180 is a crime
00:37:49.420 in itself
00:37:50.020 because we can
00:37:50.720 prove those
00:37:51.340 in a court of law
00:37:52.240 if you went over there
00:37:53.700 we don't have to know
00:37:54.420 what you did
00:37:55.300 in secret
00:37:56.440 in Syria
00:37:57.000 to convict you
00:37:58.020 and that's what's
00:37:59.760 so irritating
00:38:00.360 is that law
00:38:00.940 has been on the books
00:38:01.580 for I think
00:38:03.080 since 2001
00:38:04.480 I'd have to check
00:38:06.640 the dates on it
00:38:07.220 but those are not
00:38:07.900 new laws
00:38:08.720 maybe they were
00:38:09.800 freshened up recently
00:38:10.840 but we haven't
00:38:12.240 I don't think
00:38:12.620 we've ever used them
00:38:13.360 or at least not
00:38:14.420 against ISIS returnees
00:38:15.800 and I think we should
00:38:16.860 what was so gross
00:38:18.060 is how Christian Freeland 0.66
00:38:19.480 called these 0.85
00:38:20.040 murderers and terrorists 0.85
00:38:21.060 fighters 0.98
00:38:23.200 foreign fighters
00:38:25.000 no they're not fighters
00:38:26.460 fighters
00:38:27.280 it's a neutral word
00:38:28.740 at worst
00:38:29.720 it's even a positive word
00:38:31.620 they're not fighters
00:38:32.700 they're terrorists 1.00
00:38:33.380 they're rapists 1.00
00:38:35.120 a fighter 0.98
00:38:35.960 you don't bestow
00:38:38.340 the word fighter
00:38:39.040 on a terrorist
00:38:39.940 murderer
00:38:40.800 you wouldn't call 0.99
00:38:42.200 a Nazi SS guard
00:38:43.800 a fighter
00:38:44.440 we've got this fighter
00:38:46.300 he's really feisty
00:38:47.740 it's so frustrating
00:38:49.820 I would like to inquire
00:38:51.560 further
00:38:51.860 and I need to
00:38:52.500 figure out the law
00:38:53.820 can Doug Ford
00:38:56.620 have his attorney
00:38:57.400 general prosecute
00:38:58.400 these returning
00:38:59.420 ISIS
00:39:00.560 ISIS terrorists
00:39:01.940 ISIS fighters
00:39:02.720 there's the word fighter
00:39:04.280 under these
00:39:07.560 anti-terrorism laws
00:39:08.360 I think the answer
00:39:09.100 is yes
00:39:09.460 the only practical question
00:39:11.020 would be
00:39:11.680 would the police
00:39:12.700 and the RCMP
00:39:13.960 and ISIS cooperate
00:39:14.960 and frankly
00:39:15.860 if they didn't
00:39:16.620 that's a scandal
00:39:17.720 we need to know
00:39:18.380 I think Doug Ford
00:39:19.100 should force the issue
00:39:20.360 and prosecute them
00:39:22.300 and use his OPP
00:39:23.820 Ontario Provincial Police
00:39:25.020 to do it
00:39:25.460 I need to speak
00:39:26.940 with an expert
00:39:27.780 on how police
00:39:28.960 and prosecutors
00:39:29.840 and the law
00:39:30.580 and the courts
00:39:31.020 work together
00:39:32.060 because I just
00:39:33.240 don't know that
00:39:34.160 off the top of my head
00:39:35.060 but I gotta think
00:39:36.360 that it doesn't
00:39:38.180 all rely on
00:39:39.280 Justin Trudeau
00:39:40.060 I gotta think
00:39:40.900 that a provincial premier
00:39:42.460 can prosecute
00:39:43.280 in his own territory
00:39:44.120 alright
00:39:45.060 I've gone on
00:39:45.680 a little bit too long there
00:39:46.600 but it's reminded me
00:39:47.380 to dig into that a bit
00:39:48.280 that's it for today
00:39:50.040 until tomorrow
00:39:51.360 on behalf of all of us
00:39:52.280 here at Rebel World
00:39:52.900 Headquarters
00:39:53.400 goodnight
00:39:54.620 and keep fighting
00:39:55.960 for freedom
00:39:56.440 VIS Man
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