BREAKDOWN! Day 5 of Trucker Commission ｜ Ft. Tom Marazzo
Summary
On this episode of the Police Services Board Watch Live Stream, the Ottawa Police Complaints Commission (PSC) is hearing testimony from the witnesses that testified in front of the committee today. This is the third day of the hearings, and there's a lot to cover!
Transcript
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hey sydney hey there how are you i'm good you i'm doing all right uh did you want to kick this
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one off how's everything going and i see we've got a guest as well do you want to introduce
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yeah sure well tom i think i think you've been regular regular guests on the on the live
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i'm good i'm good i'm good good yeah so sydney sydney you've been watching the streaming a
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little bit more than meat stay because i was out in front of prom and to ask paul there's
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some questions so you'll have to perhaps get us going well i i'm still trying to absorb as much
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information as i can as well right i think uh even that's an issue for the commission itself
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uh the extreme timelines for which all of this information is coming out so
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uh my brain's a little dead as well uh just going on uh what five six hours of the live stream and
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then you know nine plus every day so uh there is really an extreme amount of information coming
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out there um is uh is there anything you wanted to add or anything uh specifically that you noted
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from today well you know i guess i guess we'll add tom tom uh what's the main takeaway from today
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well i for the most part i saw a lot of the testimony from diane deans she's the former
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um president of the police services board for the the uh city of ottawa and um pretty interesting
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testimony i have to say in in if ever you wanted to see a um a textbook example of uh uh waning loyalties
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that's what you saw today um you know there was there was a lot of uh you know support for
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peter slowly on her part and then at some point she transitioned to basically throwing him under a bus
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uh and then back to support and i mean these are these are the kinds of things that we were seeing
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and that's been a consistent um uh sort of theme throughout this whole thing with a few exceptions
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um and and i want to sort of say that those exceptions are interesting because they're coming
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from people that are not politicians where every time the politicians get get in this seat you start to
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see them uh showing all of their infighting right because these people are the ones who make the
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decisions the final decisions the staff their their role and their goal is to put them into a position
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that they can make sound decisions um and so you can see the the efforts of the staff to try to
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put the politicians into those decisions but yet uh when they fumble the ball um on the one yard line
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quite regularly they they they start attacking each other so that was kind of a reinforcement of
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that same theme that we've seen throughout yeah the politicians are always trying to save save their
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career i think we truly saw the difference with uh jim watson yesterday and the people testifying the
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day before and and let's never forget every time a politician is in front of a camera they're
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campaigning no 100 always 100 so can can you talk to us a little bit more about the two witnesses
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that testified in front of the test in front of the committee today yeah so the um i i think he's
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the chief of uh intelligence pat um uh he's currently on there he's on a break right now he's been
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testifying the opp um i think he's a superintendent for the opp uh pat morrison i think is his name
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and i was listening to his testimony this afternoon but they they spent quite a significant amount of time
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with uh diane dean's today and so i i wasn't able to kind of get the full picture with him but i did
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manage to get some and um you know from my experience with the military i understood the his demeanor i
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understood sort of the uh the thought processes that he was going through that when he was making
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advice or kind of integrating with the ottawa police and other agencies so that was kind of an
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interesting thing and again like he's not he's not a political creature right um so when he's up
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there he's actually able to get up there and spell out the facts as as what they knew at the time and
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so that's a different dynamic hearing his testimony than for example seeing one of the decision makers
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uh who's a politician somebody somebody like diane dean's yeah and diane dean's can you so from what i
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understand she used to work with uh chief slowly before before he was replaced by a by chief yeah
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so so under the police services act there's um you know you the way that's kind of governed the the
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in a sense you could say that at one point diane dean's was the boss of peter slowly right it is the
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police services board that uh hires and and uh suspends or fires ultimately the chief of police and maybe
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the executive level uh officers within a police department they work for for the police services
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board however it is actually forbidden for the police services board to ever get involved in
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directing police operations so diane dean never had any authority or any any um police services board
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member does not have the authority to direct police operations so it was interesting to see the level of
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integration and discussion between diane dean's and peter slowly yeah yeah and it's an interesting
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dynamic right because there's no doubt in my mind that even though that that separation has to legally
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happen between police operations and the police services board uh listening to the testimony i think
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in this what they would have considered and i mean it's fair to say this is an extraordinary situation
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i think a lot of that uh that normal um professionalism between the two was probably
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relaxed quite a bit uh to to put it you know in a in a respectful way i suppose um so you got a sense that
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um you know there was some interference or or there were some uh mainstream media impacts to peter slowly's
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career uh with the ottawa police services uh there was um and i can't remember which uh news agency was
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writing a story about peter slowly and it was going to be damning for for him uh in terms of way you
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know his his history of or his uh command uh presence or command style was becoming a liability to diane
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dean's and i think that eventually kind of led to her uh supporting his removal coincidentally we heard
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from her that at the time the uh police services board and the council were looking to remove
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police uh peter slowly they were also talking about getting rid of her at the same time right and yeah
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we've talked we talked a little bit about dying dean but for the viewers the viewers at home that don't
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know who died and dean is olivia is it possible to throw to one of the clips from her testifying
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oh okay yeah that that works as well let's just show let's just show the viewers who
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who diane dean is i mean i was just i was just aghast this weekend that you know there's a bouncy
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castle and and there's a hot tub david i wanted to go up there and poke that hot tub
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um myself and let the water flow out of it and unplug that damn bouncy castle because it's just a
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symbol of the frustration that's gone on for 19 days in the capital so yes we are making changes
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to do everything that we can do to end this illegal occupation of our city i mean i was just
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can i add one thing to that yeah what'd you make to that honestly and listening uh to the commission
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it seems like most of the frustrations that these people talk about it wasn't because of the convoy
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sure the convoy had its uh set of logistical issues to deal with but this is all stuff that
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they neither planned for nor could they communicate uh about with each other because there's just so
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much breakdown within the communication within the government officials and a lot of that blame
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unfortunately seems to have been cast on the uh the freedom organizers and then uh you look at the uh
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the phone call that was put into evidence this morning uh between the mayor uh and diane well
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did you guys hear that conversation i did not hear that conversation oh fair enough i'll uh i'll leave it
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for the time being but it's uh it does speak to what you were mentioning about the uh the tensions and
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the butting heads between these uh different political factions and at one point she she basically
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alluded to uh this clique that the mayor had and if they did want to uh vote out the uh the police
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chief i believe correct me if i'm wrong uh that group would have been involved they would have had
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to have the mayor's consent basically to move and to act on these changes uh but just communication
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breakdown all around is what it seems like yeah i picked up on that as well when when she had
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you know diane dean doesn't really have a a dog in the fight anymore right she was removed as the
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the chair of the police services board um and so you know we saw this um this this division or this
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crack or this the revealing of this relationship between herself and the mayor and and so she probably
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felt uh more free to describe the relationship that the mayor himself has with the entire council and
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she basically said look if he wants something nobody's gonna stop him um so he's he's running
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that as a very tight ship and i think we have a clip of that actually just uh some of these
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conversations that were happening uh maybe we can pull that one up now right if i can take a moment
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to explain the sort of culture that exists at city hall the mayor has a group of councillors that
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are very supportive of his agenda and generally speaking will deliver to him any vote on any issue
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at any time and so um and that's a reality and i know that no motion of that magnitude would ever see
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its way onto the floor of council without the mayor's consent and so when i got wind that this was being
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contemplated i started asking the mayor's staff if this motion was coming because i was very concerned
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about it i didn't share it with chief slowly i thought he had enough stress frankly and if it was
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never going to see the light of day on the council floor i wasn't going to tell him about it because
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he didn't yeah yeah that's the clip that i was referring to yeah the the communication breakdowns
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there's just left right and center everywhere it could be found it was found uh which is unfortunate
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to say this pardon me to say the least especially for the locals of ottawa who they could have been
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uh getting proper assistance there could have been issues that were alleviated but instead it was just
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all back and forth arguing behind the uh behind closed doors yeah yeah that's like a transparency for
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you for the city council yeah i mean we we you know we made certain assumptions um collectively we
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you know had lots of discussions of of you know during the time of the convoy we made many
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assumptions and what's really interesting to see is um you know when we're listening to this testimony
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uh a lot of our assumptions were actually extremely accurate um and and that's not because you know
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everybody here has this crystal ball or i think it's just that it was all painfully obvious
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um that that what we were sensing in in various different ways of of what was going on behind
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the scenes i mean i gotta say it's it's it's not entirely um you know i'm not gratified by it but i
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mean at least it's good to see that our objective was to always be safe and responsible and now we're
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kind of getting an affirmation of of why we were getting the resistance that we were constantly getting
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um and and that's a little bit disheartening i have to say because and frustrating because we
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were trying really hard to get these lines of communications opened up with the the the city
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and you know i want to say something i i do find it humorous like we didn't have a lot of discussions
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where we actually wanted to talk to jim watson there was there was no value for us to talk to jim
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watson the value for us was always to talk to a member of the federal government that's why we
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because the the mandates were from the federal yes they were from the federal government that's who
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we wanted to talk to so i viewed it um having to talk to the mayor as kind of a big waste of time
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um but i was i was alone in that in that assumption there were many other people in these discussions
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right and you know i would have i was perfectly happy to talk to um somebody above the rank of
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sergeant at least and i mean i'm not saying that to be disrespectful to the uh police liaison sergeants
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that we we spoke to i mean they worked really hard at what they were trying to accomplish but
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we all knew in in talking to the the police liaison officers that they were getting it basically from
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from both ends i mean they weren't in a in a position where um they could they had decision
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making authority on on anything i mean it's it's it's similar to dealing with a brand new car salesman
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right um they're not really the ones that can make the final decision on the deal right so this is what
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we were doing and you know i was trying to make an effort to get somebody of a higher rank that could
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that i could get in the room with and then start opening up those lines with the right people
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and you know a very stated clear objective goal was always to be safe and responsible
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but at some point we recognized that the clock was running out we needed to get a line of
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communication with the federal government going and we were getting stonewalled at every turn
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and that was always at a political level that was never done and and when i and i and i was
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you know tweeting this today while i was watching that uh and i've said it again this is probably
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the third day that i'll probably say this on the show is that um and and i want to reinforce it today
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because every day i go in there and i listen to this testimony the the same idea gets reinforced
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and for me every day there was never that i heard i have not heard any testimony whatsoever
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where any member of the any government actually even contemplated talking to us ever what they did
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is they they from day one started to pre-position giving themselves extraordinary powers and their
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main effort their objectives were to remove us by force and they realized that maybe they didn't have
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the justification maybe they didn't have the the authorities to do it but their entire strategy
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was always focused on or central to giving themselves more policing resources more policing powers
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uh or more authorities to to break our will to be there by force and only that the ways they were
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avoiding talking to you and the way the way they were able to get all those police forces was by
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vilifying you was by getting the mainstream media to write false narrative about the convoy and then
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rebutted afterwards but all the people already heard it once yes and and it's just in the media
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they use the media they they play the the mainstream media like a fiddle right and and they're perfectly
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willing to go along with it to uh say whatever rhetoric that they're demonizing even though those
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messages were retracted oh yeah they were all retracted i mean and we heard jim watson yesterday going on
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there in in exaggerating the mainstream media talking points for them from nine months ago and so
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you know it it's it's it's very surreal to sit there and listen to and get confirmation that your
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assumptions nine and ten months ago were actually pretty darn accurate yeah um and again i and i have
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to say this where was the effort to ever talk to us in a meaningful way and i and i can tell you from my
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my experiences and other people's experience dealing with the police liaison teams they weren't interested
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in in a back and forth exchange the police liaison officers for the most part were interested in what
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are you going to do for me that was always their demeanor that was their posture i want you to do
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something for me it's like okay well you know what i'd like for you to do i'd like to for you to issue
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those permits for the porta potties that we rented and put up on wellington and once you're done issuing
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the permits you know what i'd like you do i'd like you open up the street so we could get the uh the
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truck to come in and clean the porta potties now right and it was never it was never like we were they
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they never allowed us to be in a position where it could be a give and take it was always a take take
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on their part right and uh you know we we can talk a little bit about it shortly but diane dean
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is a central figure in in the day that we decided to uh when we recognized that the situation had
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fundamentally changed um for the the the entire convoy and so what we had chosen to do was form a
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strategy based around uh quite frankly the unhinged rhetoric that was coming out of diane dean during
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the police services board meeting that we all watched yeah it was it was recorded and we watched
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it and we were we we were uh shocked dismayed frustrated and uh quite frankly we realized that
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the situation had just fundamentally changed and we would need to do something to change that dynamic
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yeah you know you know what let's let's go let's go to a little ad break and then we'll go back to
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talking about that and deans right after thursday thursday in ottawa the public order emergencies
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commission kicked off it's an inquiry into the actions of the government or at least it's supposed
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to be the inquiry is allegedly meant to examine whether or not the government was justified in invoking
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an anti-terrorism law called the emergencies act to euthanize peaceful anti-covid mandate protests
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taking place in the nation's capital but also in other locations across the country
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now the convoy to ottawa spent nearly four weeks completely peacefully demonstrating against
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lockdowns and vaccine passports it evolved into a nearly month-long street party replete with bouncy
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castles hot tubs street hockey concerts and community outreach efforts like soup kitchens and food
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for the homeless rebel news as we were for the convoy to ottawa will be there on the ground in ottawa to
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cover the commission from the beginning to the end because you just cannot trust the mainstream media
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and in fact that's what today's report is about we've rented an airbnb in ottawa where we're sending
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a rotating cast of journalists to report on the public order emergency inquiry now you can help support
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our efforts there at trucker commission.com the mainstream media's reporting about the alleged
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foreign nature of the convoy funding was cited as a reason the liberals invoked the emergencies act
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to arrest detain and seize the property bank accounts and assets of anti-trudeau demonstrators
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all right yeah back to you sid what were you going to say about uh dandies oh um uh well i lost off
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the top of my head but we had a clip actually about it and the uh the no loss of life uh that she was
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talking about and to the extent that they were freaking out about this situation well at the end
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of the day she says there was no loss of life uh it's a quick clip that we have uh hopefully we can pull
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that up in a moment um but it's uh it's very interesting to see that even though there was so much chaos
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so much uh breaking down within ottawa uh the protesters it is almost like an act of god that
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they were the ones keeping the ship afloat uh when the city itself was crumbling uh but maybe that's a
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stretch to say but i i did uh want to bring up one thing and that is uh for the last couple of days
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there's been the talks about um uh the deal that was struck between the protesters uh and uh the city
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i believe and then the police um uh they they meddled in that affair i guess you could say as the
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emergencies act was uh uh being invoked uh i was actually in coots when this was happening i don't
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know specifically what went down in the timeline i'm just picking up the pieces as they're being
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talked about uh maybe you guys would be able to to fill that gap and explain to the viewers what was
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this uh this blocking roads debacle as an agreement was being put forward yeah so there was a there
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was a couple of uh scenarios um myself and eva chip you uh chris barber had been up onto the corner
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i mean we're really talking about rito and um uh in front of the hotel there right sort of the
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chateau laurier yeah the chateau laurier sorry and um you know all of us were up there and we were all
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trying to formulate a plan uh to talk to the truckers that were there and an important thing that people
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have to understand is each trucker is an individual owner operator of their vehicle
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so we don't have delegated legal command authority over anybody right people are there on their own
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they're volunteering to be there and so that particular uh there was many different groups
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within that particular intersection and and the police asked us if we would be willing to start
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moving trucks starting at that intersection and so we said you know we'll work with you we'll see if
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we can make that a possibility but we have to again i i remember communicating this to the police liaison
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team to say look we're going to do the best we can to uh to to make the case talk about what the
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strategy is why we think that this is an important thing for all of us um but we have to let them make
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an individual decision uh that turned out to be an incredibly difficult um you know many different
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conversations that we had with the members that were on that intersection but you know we got uh
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you know eva chipiuk and i we spent over two hours in a truck with one of the guys and um you know at
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times it got heated but not heated in a in a in a violent way but heated because there was a lot of
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compassion in those conversations right and i remember having these lengthy discussions with
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everybody on that corner various different individuals and then we finally got to the point
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where where the the the truckers came together they had their own little sort of meeting without me
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there without ever anyone and they said okay let's pick two representatives to go and speak to the
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police liaison team we got that all worked out we were there for hours and then we walked over to
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that we had the two representatives from that corner to go talk to the police liaison teams
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and the sergeant's phone rang and i knew right there and then that that was not going to be good news
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and he got off he walked away he came back and he says yep there's no deal here yeah and they they
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scuttled the deal uh the police were the ones that came back and scuttled that deal that night
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we and i mean they were on us all day long trying to to get that but at the end of the day i mean it
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was after dark by the time that happened and the police came back and said yeah uh there's there's no
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deal here yeah and you know i think i think i'm probably going to repeat this in every live stream but
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it's it's so important because that's what everyone's saying the truckers had a willingness to negotiate
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they had a willingness to engage with the city peacefully and you know jim watson justifies his
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lack of negotiation or or his own unwillingness to negotiate by saying that the truckers were yahoos
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that they were extremists that they were irrational and what he bases itself upon himself upon to make
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those claims are reports from mainstream media that were then retracted and we saw he never ever
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witnessed any act of violence by himself olivia can we show the viewers once again what he said
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yesterday in his testimony with alan hana mayor watson let me just ask you um you told us earlier today
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this is great um where evidence came out that um these these protesters they were they were nasty
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um they were hateful and they were they were vulgar is that right yes and you said that you saw um
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where you said that they had um ripped masks off of people yes did you actually see that
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no i saw it reported in the media okay and i think you also said that certain people were attacked
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is that right uh i didn't say that no i i said that i had death threats but i wasn't physically attacked
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no i didn't say that you were attacked but you said that these protesters were attacking people
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did you not say that no they were disrupting people's lives that's for sure and uh they refused on
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at least three occasions that i'm aware of that they refused to adhere to the provincial mandate
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of wearing a mask when going into a shop or a restaurant so you're not aware of any incidents of
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physical violence from the protesters well you'd have to ask the police i know they arrested a
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couple hundred people and charged a couple hundred people i don't know what the charges were so
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i'm not privy to that information according to your knowledge
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you don't know of any so i don't know any of any physical attacks uh not to my own personal
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knowledge no all right thank you those are my questions yeah what do you guys what do you guys
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make of that how how violent was this at the end of the day i mean you know you've you're seeing
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testimony from the um superintendent of intelligence for the opp today and he's getting his sources of
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intelligence from the mainstream media yeah who we know got this all along yeah go ahead can i ask one
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question do you guys think that this is a matter of too many cooks in the kitchen or is this a matter
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of some unbeknownst active malevolence uh on part of our government officials i have to say that it is
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uh gross incompetence uh and very egocentric and and i'll tell you why i'll say this uh we heard from
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um counselor flurry the other day i think it was friday when he testified and and william and i did the
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the quick math on this afterwards and um he had 99 protests per year you know almost two a week
00:27:21.840
and he'd been a counselor for 12 years so that puts him roughly at about 1200 protests that's
00:27:27.120
how much experience he has and as a city counselor and knowing all the individuals
00:27:33.280
it's interesting because he's one of the counselors in the in the words that are effective and he stated
00:27:37.280
that while protests are taking place the rest of the community is not supposed to be served by the
00:27:40.960
police because they don't have enough resources and that's what he said is during a protest all
00:27:44.560
police resources go to the protest and the city is left largely uh unprotected or uncovered which is
00:27:50.640
an exaggeration i think i don't think the police are that careless but the interesting thing is you've
00:27:55.920
got that type of that level of experience and even the opp said today that the um the level of
00:28:01.520
experience with protests um and with this police department is extremely high but yet you've got all of
00:28:08.320
these integration uh mechanisms you you you know we we've had terrorist attacks or domestic terrorist
00:28:14.320
attacks when um you know the the the man was running around with a gun and he killed the soldier at the um
00:28:20.240
at the national war memorial and made his way into parliament right you know and and we we this is the
00:28:26.320
nation's capital you you have a a you have plans for this i'm i'm don't i will never be convinced
00:28:33.600
yes i mean you're always under um an alert for some sort of a threat to your your nation's capital
00:28:40.400
and to your government so you know i'll tell you an interesting story before i make my final point
00:28:46.880
um 2010 i was uh i was a captain i was posted to uh toronto at the uh the headquarters for the army
00:28:56.720
commander for for um the the div that's here in ontario and we you know i participated as a night
00:29:07.200
shift low-level duty officer in the the headquarters that we had it was an integrated headquarters with
00:29:13.760
the police and we were in barry ontario at the secret headquarters that everybody in town knew
00:29:18.320
was there by the way and on the first day we walked in and i remember this lieutenant colonel
00:29:24.480
that we had there who said look i've been working on this profile for this portfolio for a year and a
00:29:29.200
half and he said um just because the police wear a uniform and they carry a weapon that is where the
00:29:37.440
similarities end he said they will not work with us they will not train with us they are so political
00:29:44.320
they cannot train with us because they cannot fail in front of each other in training because
00:29:49.840
they could lose their careers and so we saw you know the ghg20 summit headed by uh bill blair at the
00:29:57.840
time he was the chief of police of of toronto right and you know we saw what happened and those
00:30:03.200
lawsuits are still going on 12 years later on on what the police were led to do and so you know
00:30:09.920
when we come back to this this experience here in ottawa you don't see that they've learned a whole lot
00:30:16.320
you know and the city of ottawa has not learned how to integrate and properly assimilate these police
00:30:21.600
forces into one another share intelligence you know from my perspective you know what i'm starting to
00:30:28.160
observe and learn i think that peter slowly was right he said this may not be a policing solution
00:30:34.080
the politicians made it a policing solution and they refused to engage with the peaceful
00:30:40.480
protesters over there yeah and and so he was trying in the early days to say this is probably not a a
00:30:46.640
policing solution but they pushed and pushed and pushed and here we are today right the politicians invoked
00:30:52.800
the emergency act not the police and we heard testimony of that already in in the other commission
00:30:57.920
that's ongoing the police no jurisdiction of police in this country asked for the emergency act this was
00:31:03.920
all done politically and so you know when you look at this overall um there's been no integration no
00:31:13.440
coordination and and all of the interference kept coming really from the politicians um because and then
00:31:19.680
that interference on the political side i believe had an impact on the interference at the police
00:31:25.760
leadership side so this to me is is just really a level of systemic incompetence um integrating you
00:31:34.320
know as one sort of unified government but all they had to do is come and talk to us and i think you would
00:31:40.000
have had a vastly different outcome yeah well of course when you don't use your words and when you
00:31:45.040
don't use negotiation you're forced to go ahead and move with force yes that's what took place with the
00:31:51.280
emergencies like that's what took place with the police well at the end of the day this all kind
00:31:56.320
of does come down to one individual and you know over the days we've been hearing those uh representatives
00:32:01.280
from ottawa saying you know they were on numerous occasions requesting federal assistance and you know
00:32:07.200
some of them even saying like look ottawa didn't set in place the federal mandates the federal government
00:32:11.520
did but of course they're situated in ottawa so if there's a mass number of protesters who are here
00:32:17.520
specifically for that uh for the federal government then we need the federal government to have some
00:32:22.640
play in the game but it seems like uh for most of it they were just waiting in the shadows waiting
00:32:26.960
for things to come to collapse i guess you could say so that they could be the white knight uh and
00:32:31.040
bring in the guns so to speak yeah yeah and talking about partition we should throw to an ad but
00:32:35.680
then when we come back we'll talk about justin trudeau and the arrive can up and what took place
00:32:40.240
inside of the house of commons earlier today hey folks from october 13th to november 25th we are here
00:32:49.680
in ottawa for the emergencies act inquiry organized by the public order emergency commission but why
00:32:55.280
why the emergencies act inquiry well because during the freedom convoy back in february justin trudeau used
00:33:00.640
a never invoked before emergencies act to basically seize protesters bank accounts seize protesters money
00:33:07.200
seize their assets trampled their civil liberties so we're here this month for the next month and
00:33:11.840
a half to figure out if the way the government acted was lawful and was appropriate so we are
00:33:16.800
here to hold the government accountable but we need your help we are here to cover it for you because
00:33:20.480
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00:33:24.320
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00:33:31.280
well i hope you guys do make some of those donations hopefully i'll be able to make it out
00:33:38.640
there for a couple days as well uh ottawa of course right now is where all the action is happening and
00:33:43.200
being there there's actually some uh uh non-virtual engagements that you've committed to could you mind
00:33:48.880
just uh telling us about that um non-virtual engagements i'm sorry william uh in parliament and
00:33:57.440
okay sorry sorry non-virtual oh yeah are you talking about the people that i was able to
00:34:03.120
encounter earlier today yes my apologies sorry yeah so earlier today as i always do i went in front of
00:34:09.920
parliament with our videographer isabel revoche here at rebel news and i spoke to some of the
00:34:16.080
ministers over there i was able to catch marco mendicino omar al-jabra defense minister anita anand
00:34:21.920
and i asked al-jabra and miss anand if if it is found that justin trudeau invoked the emergencies
00:34:28.800
act wrongly and unjustifiably will they be asking for his resignation and i didn't get any answers
00:34:35.440
answer unsurprisingly as it's always the case with those with those ministers yeah uh and as well i
00:34:42.000
think you were going to bring up something uh that happened earlier today uh either trudeau or christia
00:34:45.760
freeland uh did you want to bring that to our attention yes we should take a look olivia are you able to
00:34:50.640
to to put the clip of the politicians talking about arrive can in the house of commons earlier
00:34:59.680
perfect sure so yeah so basically the arrive can have the arrive can that that that prevented
00:35:05.680
canadians from traveling across the country and leaving the country now what are your thoughts on
00:35:11.040
the right now well i mean i i fundamentally disagree with its very existence for one um it's it to me was
00:35:19.760
just one more step to work closer to digital id and tracking as citizens with you know records that
00:35:26.400
nobody has a business having any access to anyway um and in the arrive can app is is absolutely a flawed
00:35:35.440
software that was rushed into production uh probably with little little testing and you know i i was a
00:35:42.720
software teacher before i lost uh my job at georgian college in berrien uh and i taught making ios apps
00:35:50.080
and android apps um so i kind of thought it was hilarious when originally justin trudeau dedicated 10
00:35:57.200
no a billion dollars to the provinces to develop their own covet 19 vax uh passes and i and i thought it was hilarious
00:36:06.560
like he was dedicating a billion dollars for for apps i'm like listen i'll do it for a cool 10 million
00:36:12.720
okay uh in fact you know the level of sophistication for that kind of an app would probably been something
00:36:19.280
i would have given to my students as a term project in as a group work um so it's not overly sophisticated
00:36:27.200
stuff and i i could never comprehend where they were getting you know this this number of 10 billion
00:36:33.200
dollars and then we see arrive can was 54 million come on yeah yeah i'll do it for 10. yeah look at
00:36:39.440
what what trudeau had to say uh today it's good to know but no surprise that the prime minister thinks
00:36:44.960
that 54 million dollars is just a petty matter according to one programmer demonstrated that the
00:36:51.680
arrive can app could have been designed in a single weekend for less than a quarter million dollars
00:36:57.680
instead this prime minister paid 54 million dollars 10 000 people were sent by that app wrongly into
00:37:04.480
quarantine when they shouldn't have been someone designed an app that didn't work that sent 10 000
00:37:10.800
people wrongly into quarantine that had addresses home addresses as the headquarters of the companies
00:37:19.280
that received the money many of the subcontractors are still secret if the prime minister will not tell
00:37:25.200
us the identity of those companies then maybe he can tell us who was the genius with with the genius
00:37:31.280
who spent that 54 million dollars on an app that could be designed in a weekend please design stand up now
00:37:48.560
is justin trudeau's beautiful smug face at the end what do you make of it of this uh listen i i you
00:37:54.640
know no matter what you think about pierre polyev you know i i haven't fully decided on the guy
00:38:01.360
you can't help but want to get the popcorn when he gets on a roll when he starts taking you know tearing
00:38:06.000
into the liberal government i mean it's it's a fun thing to watch i'm not gonna lie um but you know
00:38:12.640
he's right he's right like i mean these are you know a quarter million dollars i mean i i'm i'm i'm
00:38:20.160
even shocked by that number to to design this this app and i mean what's frightening is what he clearly
00:38:25.520
identified was um you know violations of pita which is something software developers are aware of in
00:38:33.440
terms of internet security um he's violated you know if if they're giving out wrong addresses or
00:38:40.640
app addresses are showing out i mean that's a clear uh breach i mean i wouldn't be surprised if this
00:38:46.400
thing could be hacked with something as simple as an sql injection which is like an old way of hacking
00:38:51.600
um but it's it's really bizarre to me to see and and then you've i did hear the stories about ten
00:38:57.680
thousand um or i didn't know the number at the time but all these people that were wrongly forced
00:39:02.800
into quarantine because of fatal flaws in the software itself and i and i can tell you as a
00:39:08.000
as a former software developer um you know coding is only 10 of what you do it 90 of what you do is
00:39:16.400
debugging and it doesn't sound to me like they had enough time to get through any of the debugging
00:39:22.400
yeah and you know how much did he spend on the app 54 million 54 million dollars so we see a pattern
00:39:27.440
of the liberal party of canada the liberal party that doesn't evaluate the success of one of their
00:39:34.080
programs of one of their spending programs by the by how effective it was they don't evaluate it by
00:39:39.760
looking at how effective arrive can was as how helpful arrive can arrive can was they look at how much
00:39:46.560
money they spent on the app when they talk about a housing crisis in the house of commons they always
00:39:52.160
mention how much you are willing to invest when they talk about the dental care when they talk about
00:39:56.720
health care about child care they say we are going to spend a hundred million billions dollars
00:40:02.640
but they never mentioned how effective their programs are and that's what we see right here
00:40:07.200
the arrive can app was a pure failure and a pure joke that restricted elderly canadians and unvaccinated
00:40:14.400
canadians from entering their country either because they did not have a cell phone or because they were
00:40:19.120
not vaccinated which is absolutely disgusting to see yet they don't evaluate the success of their program
00:40:24.560
by looking at these terrible things that occurred they evaluated by saying we spent 54 million dollars
00:40:32.000
on that program that's twice as more as conservatives has spent on x program it is absolutely unbelievable
00:40:38.320
but it's not surprising for the liberal party what do you think is it we're proud that we were able to
00:40:43.680
waste more of your money than the other guy i mean that's honestly what i'm hearing right and it is really
00:40:49.040
sad because it is almost a history of this and i kind of asked the same question before with regards
00:40:53.680
to auto officials but are they just like do they know that they're making these mistakes are they
00:40:59.360
able to uh visualize their own faults uh or are they doing this on purpose which is the the dangerous
00:41:05.760
question or the dangerous answer that question is yes and that's something i guess is in speculation
00:41:10.160
at the moment but the track record of failure is now unparalleled i think it's fair to say
00:41:16.320
and even though he still does have a lot of support and he has that that ear to ear grin of his that
00:41:21.520
everybody just hates um even though many love i think his love is is rapidly declining i think
00:41:27.920
people are waking up the convo was one a great example of that where people across the country are
00:41:32.800
being like oh i'm not alone i'm not the crazy one in the room they are literally doing this to
00:41:38.240
thousands if not millions of canadians and it's just a matter of time when are they going to come pay
00:41:42.960
the bill or are they going to try and uh dine and dash yeah i think we have another clip from
00:41:49.040
the house of commons christian philand talking about the uh current ongoing emergency act inquiry
00:41:54.880
and by the way christian philand will be testifying at the inquiry alongside justin trudeau david lamedi
00:42:00.960
anita anad of marcom and the chido and omar algebra in the last week of the inquiry and i believe
00:42:06.640
christian philand is the exact last witness to be testifying on the list yeah exactly on the list
00:42:12.880
let's show what she had to say today about the inquiry i think the fact that we acted
00:42:20.560
that we understood the magnitude of the challenge and we rose to that challenge that should be
00:42:30.240
reassuring to canada's customers and to people investing in canada i am grateful for the question
00:42:40.480
because i was really worried uh i was worried about precisely the issue greg that you've touched on
00:42:51.040
i was worried about the losses that canada was facing every day but even more i was worried about
00:42:59.440
the potential damage those blockades could do to canada's reputation as a reliable trading partner
00:43:09.600
as a reliable place to invest and frankly i was worried about the way that had the blockades not
00:43:19.440
been stopped they could have contributed to the arguments of protectionists south of our border
00:43:28.160
and that is one of the reasons that as finance minister i was firmly of the view that the government
00:43:40.080
needed to act that it was a national security threat to canada um a threat to you know the economic lifeblood
00:43:52.240
of our country for that to go on and i do think the fact that we acted decisively that our action worked
00:44:05.440
shows to our trading partners that you can rely on canada now i can't we're not a perfect country
00:44:13.120
we're a pretty amazing country but we're not perfect i think what our government showed then and it was
00:44:18.720
a serious serious serious decision but what we showed then is when we understood the seriousness of
00:44:28.560
the challenge and we took the strongest possible action to end it no i just i just want to start
00:44:38.000
off by apologizing for making all of our of our viewers having to listen to this person once again
00:44:44.480
on the live stream but krisha the reason why people wouldn't trust canada to invest is because your
00:44:50.720
government is so authoritarian that it felt it had the right to shut down the economy for as much as
00:44:57.440
as long as they want because they have the power if there's one reason why people would be afraid to
00:45:02.320
move to canada or people would be afraid to have trust in canada or invest in canada invest in canada
00:45:07.680
as economy is because they never know at what point your authoritarian government is going to shut
00:45:13.520
down as you just did with during the time of covet 19 and we saw florida flourish and it wasn't shut
00:45:20.160
down as much as canada but now here we have different signs in florida you know there's so many i i
00:45:27.360
got to start making notes when you guys run the clips of yeah there are so many things there's just so
00:45:32.960
many things i could i could pull out of that and the first thing i want to say is this the first i would
00:45:36.960
say 30 seconds of what she just said she strung together nothing but catchphrases and slogans
00:45:44.240
and and somehow masterfully pulled out an entire paragraph of of it was a paragraph like a seinfeld
00:45:51.840
paragraph of paragraph of nothing um and that's the that's the important thing to to about the first
00:45:57.920
sort of what she said but you know like william what what he's saying is i i absolutely agree with
00:46:03.440
because you know she said they wanted to sort of send a signal or to demonstrate to our trading
00:46:09.680
partners that we are absolutely willing to stomp our own citizens in order to in order for you to
00:46:17.280
feel confident in our ability to control our people um by force um by the strongest means necessary uh and
00:46:24.720
uh you know exactly by force um so that you feel confident that you'll trade with us but here's
00:46:31.200
the problem it backfired because you know when they started to freeze the financial assets um and i'm
00:46:38.480
getting a lot of feedback from wealthy uh individuals um that have ties both in canada and to the united
00:46:45.280
states that said they actually achieved the exact opposite they they destabilized the confidence in the
00:46:51.920
canadian government and people started pulling their money and don't forget our charter banks now
00:46:57.040
are uh international banks they're not just you know td bank doesn't just operate in canadian soil
00:47:02.560
right it's an international bank and if you remember when they started to seize the bank accounts
00:47:07.440
uh td bank had a run on their accounts and they on their banks they shut down their atms
00:47:13.840
and the americans were uh getting very nervous about this as well right and and so they
00:47:19.600
they unfortunately she'll she'll sell that to the to the mainstream media consumers the digesters and
00:47:27.760
they'll believe what she's saying as though it's actually that that christia freeland and justin trudeau
00:47:32.720
did good things for canada when in reality um it's a it's a snow job is all it is it's it's completely
00:47:39.920
false what she just said um is just spin doctoring that's all she's about 100 she says that she loves
00:47:46.720
canada and we're in perfect country well perhaps it's time for you to show how much you think
00:47:52.400
canada's green instead of vilifying in house of commons instead of saying that we have a problem
00:47:56.400
with systemic racism that we have all of these woke leftist issues maybe it's time to show some
00:48:02.640
appreciation for the country yeah yeah i uh likewise with you guys i'd love to go through that entire
00:48:08.320
segment of first word for word um but speaking as uh one of the individuals who is at the coots
00:48:14.240
blockade uh and i've recently done an interview with chad williamson uh one of the uh legal
00:48:19.280
representatives for some of the individuals down there uh he he attests to the fact that and this
00:48:23.680
is the same thing that uh the government of alberta i believe is now attested to and the protesters
00:48:28.560
said as much when i was there in talking to them that the emergencies act literally had nothing to do
00:48:33.680
with the alberta blockade uh it wasn't a reason for the protesters to have left it wasn't something
00:48:38.800
that law enforcement was asking for or ever mentioned uh and it was something that the one of the
00:48:43.040
the lawyers that was involved there was saying it there's absolutely no tie-in to the coots blockade
00:48:47.360
and the emergencies act even though it was dealt with before the invocation of the emergencies act
00:48:52.640
it wasn't dealt with the protesters went home they decided to leave it wasn't dismantled by anybody
00:48:58.080
uh a bit of a different situation than what we saw in windsor uh and i can't speak to all the
00:49:02.720
blockades of course that happened but uh any allegation of you know the blockade and coots you know and
00:49:08.080
these you know charges of whatnot none of this uh none of the events that happened in coots have
00:49:13.600
anything to do with the emergencies act other than it's uh um what would you call it uh not a bargaining
00:49:19.200
chip but it's like a card to play it's like oh look at that blockade over there maybe that's a
00:49:23.600
justification we can uh source for the time being but at the end of the day it didn't have anything to
00:49:28.640
do with it yeah it's false correlations yes and and even the uh the blockade or let's say that you
00:49:34.880
know the the interruption on the bridge in windsor uh i know from a very good friend of mine who was
00:49:42.320
there and who was arrested and did face criminal charges he had stated to me he's a fellow veteran
00:49:47.840
he stated to me he says look i i'll put my hand on my heart and i'm telling you right now we kept a
00:49:53.600
safety or we kept a lane open it was slowed the progress was slowed over the bridge because you've
00:49:59.360
reduced it down to one lane um but let's let's keep something else in mind i don't believe that
00:50:04.880
that was just canadian truckers right like i think that was a a canada u.s uh trucker um
00:50:12.560
you know partnership in a sense too it wasn't just us doing all that stuff i could be wrong about
00:50:17.680
that but i don't think i am um but the other the other issue is we know for you know from
00:50:24.160
discussing this specifically with my friend who was there he said we kept one lane open
00:50:32.080
the entire time and i believe that said you were in the coups blockade right
00:50:36.720
you can talk a little bit more about that 16 days but actually i want to mention uh uh one other
00:50:42.640
thing is that and as you mentioned you know there were americans uh that were joining in in these
00:50:46.480
protests as well is uh the the sentiment that was shared by these protesters was quite
00:50:51.040
literally international uh you've got you know the dutch uh the large dutch protests that were taking
00:50:56.160
place with the tractors even months after there were still protests i mean they've been protesting for
00:51:00.960
a long time the european uh but even months after the convoy and the blockades there was a mimicking of
00:51:07.360
those behaviors across the world and if that doesn't tell you how many people were fed up with uh
00:51:13.360
people and policies like those of trudeau well i don't know what will yeah my understanding was 27
00:51:19.680
convoys that happened around the world 27. so i think that is a um the the exact opposite of a fringe
00:51:28.240
minority across the planet um but i would certainly say that that is a substantial um collective of
00:51:36.800
people across the world that are telling all of their elected officials the same exact messages
00:51:43.360
is that listen you people work for us you're only in their job because we went to election
00:51:47.920
polls we put you there to occupy that position now you're not doing what we want fine we you know we
00:51:54.960
will continue to protest we will try to have dialogue i posted today i went on the house of commons uh
00:52:00.640
website and uh posted a picture of really what the terms of service is to be a member of parliament in
00:52:07.280
here in this country and it basically one of the lines it says you know you you're supposed to talk
00:52:13.040
to your constituents and whether you agree or not and i posted on my twitter so you can go check it out
00:52:19.200
or you know for yourself but this is their job like their job is to talk to people and what we saw
00:52:26.880
again for the fifth day is this absolute um determination not to have any dialogue with us
00:52:35.840
unless it's to your advantage to do so right and i don't mean that in it yeah there it is um
00:52:42.560
you know if you click on that it'll open up yeah um yeah it says get the member represents
00:52:50.480
of constituents and examine how the government uses or abuses abuses the power
00:52:57.040
exercises on behalf of the people of canada right there in the bottom two rows right this is their
00:53:03.200
job literally literally at the highest level of government and make no mistake justin trudeau is
00:53:09.760
the member of parliament yeah yeah and instead of doing that well and instead of doing that they were
00:53:15.920
it was uh accusations of terrorism of extremism it was literally everything you know fill fill the uh
00:53:21.680
fill the blank it was there uh but and perhaps just to reiterate slightly you know that that uh
00:53:27.680
27 convoys or blockades or whatnot that that uh grew or developed internationally out of the convoys
00:53:34.160
and blockades that were happening in canada well what was the message they were spreading was it burn
00:53:38.080
down the buildings shoot the guns no it was we're gonna sit here make a peaceful statement in a way that
00:53:43.920
may financially hinder you and maybe that's you know uh any action might inevitably result in that
00:53:50.240
uh but we're gonna do this peacefully we're gonna make a peaceful statement that we've had enough with
00:53:54.480
your uh your baloney yeah yeah and you know you know about financial difficulties if you compare the
00:54:01.680
two years of difficulties that trudeau made sure businesses would suffer through would go through
00:54:08.960
due to the covet 19 pandemic if you compare that to a business that actually decided to stay open
00:54:14.560
because they saw there was no violence that took place in in ottawa these businesses tim hortons made
00:54:21.280
an enormous amount of profit the businesses that say that stayed open downtown made so much profit but
00:54:26.960
just to go back on justin trudeau is it possible to pull out the clip of what he stated in regards to
00:54:32.080
the inquiry today once again in this house of comments um we're gonna keep hearing lots of
00:54:40.240
information coming out over the coming weeks on what happened day by day with uh the emergencies act
00:54:46.240
with the illegal protests here in ottawa and elsewhere across the country i think uh one of the most
00:54:50.880
important things however is that uh the province and the federal government stood together doug
00:54:56.400
ford invoked his emergencies act we invoked our emergencies act uh we put the citizens
00:55:02.000
of ontario the well-being of families the well-being of our economy ahead of the interests of illegal
00:55:08.800
protesters uh and we were glad to stand together on that and as you saw on monday we continue to stand
00:55:14.240
together on this uh even as we're making important economic announcements i think we continue to see
00:55:26.240
how important it was for everyone to work together and of course there was moments
00:55:30.800
during the unfolding of of this convoy where there was uh times where uh different organizations
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different orders of government weren't working as uh tightly as uh would have been ideal but
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the important thing is that we all stood together and put ontarians and canadians first and we
00:55:47.360
resolved the situation did i did reporters uh yell at him yeah you know when i yell at him i'm being
00:55:55.040
told that i'm harassing the politicians but um anyways yeah once again i apologize for making
00:55:59.840
you go through a clip of justin trudeau what are we gonna say yes the province and the federal
00:56:06.000
government that's how he opens what about the municipal government is that this not part of
00:56:09.440
the conversation didn't it take a week before there was any dialogue properly i i i don't know exactly i
00:56:14.560
wasn't there the whole time but the one thing i take extreme exception to is his use of the terms uh illegal
00:56:21.040
illegal protest okay i i'd like to understand you know if i could ask one question uh i actually if
00:56:29.120
i could ask two questions and in my second question that i'm going to state is is directly from keith
00:56:33.840
wilson it's not my question but it's a brilliant question um my my my question really would be at what
00:56:43.120
point did we become an illegal protest because according to justice mclean who ruled on the
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injunction for the horns he actually said we had a legal right to be here and to do this protest
00:56:57.840
okay so at what point did did justice mclean get overruled by the executive branch of the government not
00:57:07.200
the judicial branch at what point was there an overruling of an actual uh judge in in this city
00:57:15.280
that made that an illegal protest and i'll admit i mean i did a on the final day that i announced that
00:57:21.840
we would peacefully withdraw from the city uh this this um troll who works for one of the online
00:57:29.840
magazines is a horrible human being as far as i'm concerned was was just harassing me it was the first
00:57:35.120
question it was ridiculous and i looked at him and i said well what laws did we break and his jaw just
00:57:42.240
kind of dropped what laws did we and i asked him again i said what laws did we break and he had no
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answer and i said parking infractions these are parking and violations that was the illegal act that
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allowed you to have your uh your paramilitary units of all of your police departments to attack
00:58:02.160
your citizens because of parking violations and bouncy castles you know thank god diane
00:58:08.320
dean was not actually in charge of a tactical unit uh because then it would this this idea of the a
00:58:14.720
miracle that nobody was injured would have been a complete falsehood so the second question is and
00:58:20.320
keith wilson put this to um i believe it was andrew lawton uh he asked the question too and he said
00:58:26.320
you know andrew said if there was a question you could ask justin trudeau and keith said
00:58:32.160
the question i would ask justin trudeau is what made you think you would get away with it
00:58:39.360
right well perhaps he's perhaps he's i think he's at seven years now perhaps seven years in powers
00:58:44.640
despite yeah we charity essence about like growing a reporter despite all his scandals i think he had
00:58:50.800
yeah i think it was right on to be on the island i mean he said he's been found guilty of ethics
00:58:57.920
violations in the past but yet this this alliance with the ndp is is a vanguard that protects him um
00:59:05.600
and gives him this this this basically this alliance has created a uh this coalition government has
00:59:13.840
created a an unelected majority for justin trudeau right and and it's funny because we were vilified
00:59:20.160
because we were talking about coalition governments during the thing and everyone said you were trying
00:59:25.840
to overthrow the government as an unelected official and form a coalition which is a lie it is not what
00:59:31.680
we we were we were talking about doing but we're being criticized for talking about other government
00:59:37.840
parties coming together and forming a coalition meanwhile justin trudeau and the ndp had already done
00:59:44.880
and formed an unofficial coalition government but they failed to to notify the public of this
00:59:51.760
right and and they're vilifying us and you got bill blair saying that uh we're trying to form an
00:59:56.240
unelected government through a coalition no but you just formed an unelected majority government yeah
01:00:03.760
through a coalition with the ndp yeah it's just hypocrisy 100 you know we are running out of time
01:00:09.520
a little bit any last thoughts uh sydney uh sure i'll just end on a quick thing you know what did
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they say i believe it was earlier how uh the criminal code there's bylaws uh municipal bylaw
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infractions these things they they didn't account for the uh extraordinary nature of what the freedom
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convoy was and so it seems maybe because they didn't have laws that said it was illegal um they
01:00:31.600
kind of made that assumption it's like it is without or it is um outside of the domain of the
01:00:36.640
laws in which we can enforce and so it must be illegal because it's not in the book that maybe
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that was the end of the day analysis but i know we're running short on time and uh i'm all full
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of speculation so yeah so there was there was two times where justin trudeau had met with previous
01:00:51.280
protests i think one was a pipeline one was involving indigenous people and the blm too yeah and and blm he
01:00:57.600
took a knee and he also i'll i'll stay away from that one but there's just too many but it was our
01:01:03.360
actual sincere belief that he would send at least an envoy to come and talk to us so we had no reason
01:01:08.160
to believe that he wouldn't talk to us and when he refused to talk to us um you know after all that
01:01:14.320
time and instead his natural default was to use violence against his own citizens um no it's an
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incredible thing you know that you're not living in uh in in the real world anymore yeah it definitely
01:01:27.680
says a lot about justin trudeau i think there's way too much is a phrase that you can use with justin
01:01:33.040
trudeau a lot of times well thank you so much for joining us today sit from from alberto right
01:01:41.360
well yeah i'm from alberto uh originally toronto uh but yeah oh so you're yes you're like you move
01:01:47.920
from toronto to to alberta yeah yeah yeah and the great province of alberta thank you for coming
01:01:53.040
again yeah thank you we'll definitely have you on at some point as well okay good keep having
01:01:57.840
you all the time i really look forward to seeing your testimony by the way i can't wait it's happening
01:02:01.520
in week four right uh probably week four it's hard to say uh it's kind of a shifting thing and and the
01:02:07.200
witness list may be modified somewhat but i'm the sooner the better yeah and thank you for everyone
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for joining us tonight as well the service later however highlighted the need for additional legal
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supports in both the short and medium term requesting assistance to find uh uncharted legal
01:02:25.680
territory the service referenced the criminal code as being archaic and both the provincial highway
01:02:30.880
traffic act and city of ottawa bylaws is being limited in that they've all failed to consider events
01:02:37.200
such as the trucker convoy do you recall who said this i believe it was chief slowly and what did you
01:02:44.960
understand this to be to mean um well just that we didn't have the tools that we needed in terms of
01:03:00.800
this specific convoy with large 18-wheel vehicles to be able to effectively address legal issues around
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that because this had not perhaps ever being considered in terms of criminal code or even our
01:03:17.120
own ottawa bylaws in the past did you understand it to be saying that they needed a new enforcement
01:03:31.120
authority to be able to address legal issues i don't know that i would say i understood it