BREAKDOWN： Trucker Commission Day 10 ｜ Ft. Tom Marazzo & Keith Wilson
Summary
Alexa Salavoie is joined by Right Wing Extremist Tom Morato to discuss day two of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission hearing. The Commission continues to hear evidence from all sides of the case, including the defence, the prosecution, and the witnesses.
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Hey everyone, welcome back to our evening live stream here in Ottawa. I'm joined by Alex Salavoie
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who is joining us online. I'm joined with right-wing extremist Tom Morata wearing the worst outfit I've
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ever seen him wear during a live stream. Tom, first of all, how are you doing, but also why are you
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wearing such an outfit? I'm actually doing pretty good. No, the tie is a joke because I wore a tie
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on Julie Panessi's podcast recently. And so William was always asking me, why aren't you dressing up
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for me? So in honor of you and your fashion sense, I had to wear a tie. Exactly. You know, when you're
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doing news, you've got to dress well, got to dress appropriately. And that's the way this right-wing
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extremist is dressing today. Alexa, how are you doing? I'm pretty good. That was a really interesting
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day. And we heard a lot, a lot about Tom Morato today. It was just all about you. Yeah, it was Tom
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Morato. They've definitely got a bigger head now. Just before we begin analyzing everything, once again,
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if you want to make sure to, you know, stay tuned with everything that's happening during the commission,
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you can always go to trickercommission.com during the day. And also, if you want to chat with us
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to read on air. So Tom, we've got a lot of things to go through. Same thing, Alexa, what were your
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general thoughts from today? Really interesting, a little bit surreal, to be perfectly honest,
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listening to some of the testimony, especially later in the afternoon. And, you know, one thing
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we learned is the order that myself and some of the others will be testifying next week. I believe
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Chris Barber and I are next Tuesday. Keith Wilson's going to be testifying, Tamara and some of the
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others. But watching was pretty interesting, I have to admit. No, 100%. There are definitely shocking
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things that we saw take place. One of the first things that I want to talk about was one of the
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clips that Bath showed during her cross-examination of, I believe, the first witness. You know,
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once again, that's what happens when you live tweet all day. You forget the name of the witness. I
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believe it was Bernier. So when cross-examining Bernier, Bath, one of the lawyers for Freedom Convoy,
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and I apologize for not using her last name, I just can't seem to remember.
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Or Vandenberg, right. So Bath Vandenberg, one of the great lawyers for the Freedom Convoy,
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showed one shocking clip to the crowd, to Bernie during his testimony. Are we able to show it on
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the screen? All right. So I guess we'll show it later. But just before we watch the clip,
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we'll be able to see it in a second. But how were you feeling in the crowd? I know I saw some people
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in the crowd shed tears while this video was shown. How are you feeling sitting there and
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seeing what's happening? Well, it's truthfully, it's really hard. I know myself and many of the
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others, we do struggle watching a lot of the footage at times. It's really hard to be there
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and actually see that. I know, you know, even as an example, your documentary that Rebel put out about
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Coots and I know the other guys that did Trucking for Freedom, like watching the documentaries are
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really difficult to watch. Well, we can actually see the clip right here. I'll say,
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look, the full clip, including Vandenberg's words. There it is right there.
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All right. So do you agree that the OPS officer in this video in the back behind the ranks, the line
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is using what is actually the muzzle and not the butt of what looks like a 40 millimeter chemical
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munition launched to beat a protester with? Not enough for me to see what exactly is going on.
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But you can see that there is a police officer in the back beating a protester with a rifle.
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There is not enough for me to see what is actually happening behind bodies.
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And the second part of the video is even worse because you can't even see further what was
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happening. And for me, the reaction of Superintendent Bernie to this clip was absolutely shameful.
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The guy wasn't shoveling snow. The police officer was not shoveling snow. He wasn't dancing. He was
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beating up the protester. So do you want to continue your thoughts?
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Well, I had recently seen that. I've seen that video several times. And what was interesting to me is
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until recently, somebody slowed it down and you realized it wasn't the butt of the rifle.
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It was actually burned down. It was the barrel.
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You know, it's incredibly an aggressive move. I mean, I'd hate to be on the receiving end of
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either end, but definitely I wouldn't want to be hit with the barrel of a rifle like that.
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For peacefully protesting. I just, I don't know how you can justify that level of violence against
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a protester. I just don't understand how you can get to that point. Or shooting, you know,
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reporters in the thigh with a ballistic projectile. Yeah.
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When they're clearly indicated that they're media.
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Yeah. Well, that, that, that brings me on to my next point, Alexa, you know, you, you also
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had an experience similar to that. You want to touch on that?
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I mean, nobody's, it was as well, like what, um, I think it's Bernie, I say that after that
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day, they rise the protection because of the aggressiveness of the protester. Um, on that
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video, I don't see any protester that is violent at all. I saw like the opposite way. And I remember
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something that the first day they were pretty aggressive, I would say on the side of the
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police, but the second day I noticed something else. It was like more and more aggressivity
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that was rising up on the side of the police. I don't know what they say to each other that night,
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but it was not the same kind of police that I noticed like in these two days.
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No, 100%. But just to go back to the question, um, you know, you were shot by a police officer
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in the leg during the convoy. That clip was not shown, but seeing that clip, you know, we saw people
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in the, in the crowds, primarily notably crying and some people having to leave the, the, the,
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the room at the commission because it was too emotional for them. Well, how does it make you feel
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Well, at least I'm, I'm actually happy that they show video some evidence of what is
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happening. Uh, I think it should have more like to really put them to the confrontation of look at
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what happened. Do you notice the same thing that you are testimonied? Because what you are saying
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is not accurate of what we saw on the field. And especially like, I just don't really understand
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why they don't actually ask me to go and testimonies something. But anyway, I just find that, um,
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it's the time that we talk about what happened during these two days, because it's all about these
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two last days that we should like make the government accountable of these actions.
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Because a lot of people have been injured. A lot of people have been injured these two days.
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Well, we saw the RCMP horses trampling a woman as well. But one of the things related to this
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clip that I also want to touch on, um, I'm going to quote Bernie, superintendent Bernie. He said earlier
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that we adopted a philosophy of slow methodical approach. We didn't want to rush through this.
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We didn't want to force a confrontation yet. I think the video should show otherwise.
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Yeah. And you know, there's, uh, shortly after the, the convoy ended, there was, uh,
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uh, screenshots of phone or, uh, text messaging going back and forth between the RCMP members.
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And they were using a language basically saying, you know, don't, don't do it all yet. Like save some
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for us. We want to bring the Jack boots, right? Yeah. We saw the text messages,
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text messaging of the RCMP that were there from out of town, wanted to get in on the action. So
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I think what happened maybe on the first day, there was this, uh, this sense of, you know,
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look at the free for all that we had. I mean, these people had an opportunity to go out there and
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attack protesters. And so it's kind of logical that the next group up wanted to get in on it.
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And we saw texts to that, but what's also interesting is one of the RCMP officers,
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I believe are the ones that leaked that, uh, text messaging. So you're seeing inside and I don't
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know if you remember Alexa, but there was, there was a lot of reports where, uh, when we were standing
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on the line there, uh, you know, with, with the protesters against the police, there was a lot of
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reports. I didn't see it, but I had heard it that if a police officer actually engaged whatsoever
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with one of the protesters, their supervisor would pull them right off the line and plug the hole with
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somebody who, uh, was more disciplined or more, um, uh, to, to what they were doing. Right. And so
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I can certainly understand the difference in the mentality going into the second day.
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Uh, the message was clear. I think a lot of those teams went back and they were told by their
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supervisors, you communicate with these people, there'll be consequences. Uh, that's my read on
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that situation. Yeah. And I think that, that, that philosophy, they did have that mentality at
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fear-mongering the police cause on the police officers was one of the reasons why they were
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so aggressive and so unwilling to actually speak, you know, in a nice way to the protesters. We saw
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the protesters trying to engage with the police. We saw them coming up to them and being nice and
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giving them the charters of rights and freedoms, being peaceful with them. Yet the reaction from
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the police wasn't the same thing at all. I had seen a video of, uh, one of the young protesters,
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it was a young lady, she was handing them a flower and, uh, the police officer batted her
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right across her forearm with the baton, uh, smashed her across the arm while she was extending
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a flower. So, you know, let's, let's, you know, zoom out and look at the big picture here. Do we need
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the emergency act to, to go after? I mean, did, did any of that on that video or any of the,
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even the testimony, I mean, it always comes back to relevance. We, we, we've never seen
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any testimony yet to date that, that met the four conditions of this act section two,
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therefore nullifying the, the justification of the use of the emergency act. And again,
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you know, I think we're on day nine of the testimony and yet you only, you're only seeing
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the four groups of the lawyers out of the total of 14 actually talking about the emergency act.
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Yeah. All the rest are just, it's cover your ass. It's still another day.
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Cover that. Plus also you see Paul Champ only touching about the impact on communities,
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but the impact on residential neighborhoods is not a reason to invoke the emergencies. I think
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it's not a valid reason. That's not what the emergency act is there for. It's not a valid
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reason at all. That's the role. It's just not. And what surprises me, I just want to add that what
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surprises me is how much time the lawyers for Peter slowly seem to get, which is a little bit bizarre
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to me. They seem to get an enormous amount of time. And it's about, he gets the time. His lawyers are
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there basically to protect Peter slowly. That's why they're there. They're not there to talk about the
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justification of the emergency act. They're there to protect him from culpability later.
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And he gets an enormous amount of time where other groups are getting like very,
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like five minutes, 10 minutes slivers. It's very bizarre to me.
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Quality. It's always better than quantity because at the end of the day, the quality will win.
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But I just want to remember that everybody that revenues has, have still like a lawsuit against the
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RCMP. If you want, you can do so and go and stand with Alexa.com. But Tom, since I have you,
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because we did talk about you so much, and I want to clarify just a point with you. They were talking
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about you about the fact that you agree with them to talk with the trucker to move them to Wellington.
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When the trucker did agree to, it seems that you have some miscommunication between the police to
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agree to move them to Wellington. And afterwards, they say that the truckers didn't want to follow
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you anymore because of that. Can you clarify a little bit what they say about you?
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Absolutely. So, what's interesting is what we learned today was that before I had the meeting
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with Steve Kay, and you know, there were police officers that did join in after, so did Keith and
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Eva. Despite Inspector Drummond's confusion on the issue, they actually did attend the meeting
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afterwards. And we did talk about these details. And what's really interesting to me is that we found
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out today that the Ottawa police services had already decided that we weren't going to be able
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to move those trucks up onto Wellington. So, the question had to be asked, why did you send anybody,
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myself, why did you try to get me to go to Rideau and try to convince the truckers to move up onto
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Wellington if you knew the day before that you were not going to honor the deal? And what's really
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troubling? This is what's really troubling is that then they're spinning this narrative that
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because the police are the ones who reneged on the deal. That's what happened that night. I basically
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had them on the one yard line. I had the truckers ready to go. They were going to actually do this.
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And then the police reneged on the deal. And then they're reframing this narrative that,
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well, they're not going to follow Tom. It's like, actually they were. And I want to make a really
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important distinction here. I went up there to not to negotiate with the truckers on there because we
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had different groups of people there, but to lay out what the upside for us was and then to get them
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to decide themselves. Right. I wasn't in a position to direct. I was just talking. I was laying out the
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argument and my recommendation to do this. I thought that it was, and others agreed that it was the best
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strategic move. So you move and then we'll reevaluate what's going on. And we were there,
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we were there. And then the police last minute, hold the carpet out from underneath the police liaison
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team. And now they're reframing the narrative to say, well, the truckers didn't have control of the
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truckers. So they're blaming us for a deal that they knew was a setup from the day before.
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Well, I think it was the most, the most intelligent thing to do, the most intelligent
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move. And I think we're seeing that in the commission. And now we've been talking for a
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little while. I want viewers to be able to see parts of the testimony given by the first witness
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of the superintendent, Bernie. So let's, let's take a look at some of what you had to say.
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Police have common law powers to exclude the public from an area in which a police operation
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is underway. Is that correct? Yes. And those powers could have been used in the clearing of
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the protests in Ottawa, couldn't they? Yes. In fact, you planned on using those
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powers to clear the protests and the federal emergency declaration did not significantly impact your
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planning. Is that right? I wouldn't exactly say that. Very, very hard to, to know what it would
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have been like without it. Right. I, your, your interview summary does say that, but, uh, but I'll
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leave it, uh, I'll leave that answer as is. Um, you would have carried out the planned police operation,
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whether the government declared a public order emergency or not though. Isn't that right?
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Correct. The planning and the, the concept of operation was already in place and I didn't
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have any knowledge that an emergency sack was going to be put in place.
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Council for Canada earlier on today, put it to you that, and I'm paraphrasing a bit, uh, you never
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know whether your use of a common law exclusion zone will hold up in court if it's challenged after
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the fact. Do you remember that question? Yes. Um, if police proceeded as planned and relied on
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common law exclusion zone powers to clear the protest, the fact that those powers might have
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been challenged after the fact wouldn't change the fact that the protests had already been cleared,
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would it? That is correct. All right. So would you agree that the federal emergency power to create
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exclusion zones may have been helpful to police, but it was not necessary?
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Well, once again, um, I, I think it was beneficial.
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Beneficial, but not necessary. Correct. Thank you. Um,
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Council for Canada showed you a letter dated February 17th, 2022, earlier on today, which appeared
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to be a letter from OPP Commissioner Karik to tow truck, tow truck drivers. You had never seen that
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letter before it was shown to you today. Is that right? Correct. Uh, you have helpful,
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but not necessary. I think that's, I feel, I feel like we're just repeating ourselves at this point,
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but that's, that's what we're feeling every day, you know, and I, and I have to admit there are,
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there are times in there where I do want to do cartwheels down the aisle in there. And that was one of the
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moments. But means about the suffering, like the suffering face of like the, the witness, like to
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try to avoid, but you see that he's suffering because he's like, ah, I should not say it, but yeah.
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Yeah, no, exactly. That's what they keep repeating all the time. Helpful, but not necessary. What's one of
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the conditions? I mean, we're going to have a lawyer later on, Keith Wilson, but one of the conditions for
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the invocation of the emergencies act is that it has to be necessary. It doesn't matter if you're
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too incompetent to do your job and that's helpful for you. It doesn't matter. It's not about convenience,
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about necessity. Yeah. And let's just look at the timeline. Okay. So it, you know, I, I wasn't a
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police officer as a soldier, so I understand planning. It made perfect sense to me that the Ottawa police,
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their entire infrastructure would be planning, doing a big contingency plan to at some point,
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get the order to start clearing the protest. That makes perfect sense to me. And what's interesting
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though, is that the mayor under, uh, under oath on the stand said he had no knowledge that the
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emergency act was going to be invoked, but their plan was still being put into motion. They were,
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they were actively for days building a plan. This, we knew it made sense. It's logical that they would do
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it. But under what authority were they making the plan? The plan was the authority that they always
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had from day one to execute that plan. So then he just confirmed it right there. We didn't actually
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need the emergency act. We already had the authority to do the plan and we were going to execute the plan.
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And the only thing that was helpful, tow trucks. Yeah. That's the same thing they've been saying
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all along. Yeah. Tow trucks. I don't know if you, did you follow like the, the, the emergency, like
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today? Yeah. The plan on the nine and the plan on the 13, the plan on the 17, the plan, and I was like
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lost in all the plan that they had. I was like, how many plans did you have? Like, I don't know.
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I think they had three. I think they had three at the end. They had an original one, the ninth,
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then they had a second one, the 13 at the end. They only had three. I think that was a total.
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Yeah. They, they would have, it makes sense to me that they would go through. Cause I listened to
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the testimony. A lot of the planning that they go through that side is very similar to the way the
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military would do that type of planning. They it's modified. It's not exactly the same, but a lot of the
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vocabulary, the expressions are very same to military planning. And, um, so I just thought it was very
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interesting to me that when I was listening to it, I thought, okay, you're doing your operational
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plan or your tactical plan and you're doing it under your own authority. You don't need the
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emergency act. And let's back up a little bit too by, I believe, uh, that before the invocation of
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the emergency act, Ontario had already declared a state of emergency. So that even further enhanced
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their plan. So they already had an, an, an enhanced level of authority under Ontario. Uh, but it didn't,
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doesn't appear to have a, uh, an enormous amount of teeth, but it still was the city declared a
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state of emergency, uh, which strangely enough was toothless because it, it actually had to,
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you have to invoke the riot act, which is a bizarre thing. And then the, the province went to an
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emergency under all of that authority that they already had, they were doing planning to do what
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they did. It's just now they got the emergency act. And the only benefit that it gave them was the
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fact that they could literally, um, almost federalize some tow trucks. Yeah. And I mean,
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yeah, everyone declared the situation, emergency situation, but I just want to touch on two last
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things because I see a Keith Wilson entered, entered a little building right here and we only
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have you for seven more minutes. But one of the things that I want to touch on is one of the things
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that Paul champ said, uh, as a question, this great lawyer, he said that, that doing this with the
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jerry cans, uh, jerry cans and propane, um, you guys using this, he said quote unquote would mean
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that the protesters could have been hurt or injured due to their own freedom. I couldn't stop laughing
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when I heard that. What a bizarre thing to say. Yeah. I, uh, due to their own freedom. I, I listen,
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I don't really, I was listening and I was really struggling to understand where he was going. Uh,
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and you're going to hear, I hope we're going to hear testimony about the steps that we took, uh,
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both involving two inspections from the fire marshal and from the electrical safety authority with, uh,
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generators and electrical panels. We set up in places as well as all the steps we took to safely store
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the fuel. There was inspections and I'm hoping it comes out. Yeah. I think as you touched on it on
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yesterday's live stream, you touched on the fact that the police department came to you guys and
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made an inspection. Yeah. I mean, my, my recollection of that is that, uh, the day before on the, on the
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Saturday, the day before the police raid at Coventry, the, uh, the fire department, it came and
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inspected, made recommendations. We, we did the modifications. They still came in and did the raid
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anyway, which by the way, we also heard testimony by several people. Yeah. There was a, there was a
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lot of divide about doing that raid. And in fact, I, there's a phone call that we received where, where
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a police officer was making an apology about doing the raid at Coventry. Uh, and, and I'll leave that
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alone. Cause I think I'll be testifying on these facts, but the day after Coventry, again, the, uh,
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fire department came out and did an inspection on the fuel and they said, okay, it's, it's safe.
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So for Paul champ to grasp at, uh, ambulances while he's chasing it. Yeah. I don't know where,
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I don't know. I don't know. I think it's surprising from Paul champ though. But seriously, I think Paul
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champ like is a waste of time, uh, for other like great lawyer or other people to ask questions,
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especially on what, one of his question was like, are we been lucky in Ottawa to have nobody being
00:24:57.460
hurt or killed? I was like, are you kidding? Are you kidding? Unless like I've been feed feed in,
00:25:05.220
in the street and like some people like have been donated, like most of that their time to others.
00:25:11.940
Like you think that someone would be hurt or killed? Yeah, no, I, well, I'd love to know what this
00:25:18.500
tax the rich incompetent lawyer guy, Paul champ would have to say about the BLM protest that took
00:25:24.820
place in the United States. If he thinks those were just unlucky protests where it costs billions
00:25:30.740
of dollars in reparation to the city. Uh, one last thing that I want to touch on before you,
00:25:34.820
you leave us at some right-wing extremists, you know, at the beginning of the show today,
00:25:38.660
I made that joke that you're a right-wing extremist. And I see that as soon as Keith Wilson
00:25:42.340
entered, you took your tie off. Yeah. But, uh, right-wing extremists, we heard
00:25:46.100
them discussing the fact that there was right-wing extremism in the protest. What do you have to say
00:25:51.780
to that report that was presented? Yeah. So what's interesting is this report
00:25:56.580
that they were referencing in, in the commission today. Uh, I found it really interesting because
00:26:01.540
even inspector Drummond said, Hey, that's not something that we would have factored into our
00:26:05.540
intelligence. Where did that come from? And I, and I suspect I know, but I don't want to say
00:26:10.580
because I'm not a hundred percent sure where that report came from, but it is from my perspective,
00:26:16.820
it was just dropped in, uh, to further a narrative. I don't think it had any, it's good. It doesn't
00:26:22.980
have a lot of practical use in, in the commission other than to drop in this, um, these phrases,
00:26:31.140
right. These phrases, you know how it is, it's just wash, rinse, repeat, just say the same thing
00:26:35.540
over and over and over and it'll, it'll, it's meant to manipulate people that are susceptible
00:26:40.020
to that kind of a language. Uh, and the reality is that, uh, you know, I, my joke is I played right
00:26:48.040
wing in hockey, uh, a little bit of soccer, uh, but in terms of extremist, um, yeah, I'm just going
00:26:56.260
to leave it at that because, uh, we'll see how that fair. You were, you were probably a little bit
00:26:59.860
too far away in the oppositions. Cause I tend to consider myself a moderate right down the middle.
00:27:04.980
To be perfectly honest. So it was to say right wing, uh, that's just using words against people.
00:27:11.380
Uh, it's, it's all a sign up. No, I'm sure the Antifa groups wouldn't agree with you that they
00:27:16.820
would think that you're, you're an extremist. Tom, Tom, thanks for coming on today. And we'll
00:27:20.340
definitely see you. See you soon. Thanks for that. Of course we're going to go to a quick ad.
00:27:25.300
And then when we come back, we're going to have freedom convoy lawyer, Keith Wilson coming on as well.
00:27:35.940
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Hey folks, from October 13th to November 25th, we are here in Ottawa for the Emergencies Act
00:28:48.180
inquiry organized by the Public Order Emergency Commission. But why? Why the Emergencies Act
00:28:52.740
inquiry? Well, because during the freedom convoy back in February, Justin Trudeau used a never-invoked-before
00:28:58.740
emergency act to basically seize protesters' bank accounts, seize protesters' money, seize their
00:29:04.180
assets, trample their civil liberties. So we're here this month for the next month and a half to
00:29:08.740
figure out if the way the government acted was lawful and was appropriate. So we are here to hold
00:29:13.700
the government accountable, but we need your help. We are here to cover it for you because everyone
00:29:17.300
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00:29:29.700
All right, so we're back. We have someone that actually is able to wear a tie properly with a
00:29:33.700
proper dresser. Just by the way, before we start again, I just want to say a quick thing. I have my
00:29:38.180
phone on because I don't have my computer here, but all my notes are on my phone. So that's why
00:29:42.260
I look at my phone sometime. Keith, how are you doing? I'm doing great. Great. So just to begin,
00:29:47.540
I just want to get to your thoughts on Bath Vandenberg. How did you say her last name?
00:29:52.100
Vandenberg? Bath Shiva Vandenberg. Vandenberg. On her cross-examination of Mr. Brunier.
00:29:59.540
Well, I mean, she's trying to expose certain themes of contradiction in their testimony.
00:30:06.420
You know, one of the things that's troubling is how each of the senior police officials are dodging
00:30:14.340
the question about who made the decision to send hundreds of Canadians, after they'd been detained
00:30:21.140
for several hours, out into rural locations and drop them off with dead batteries in their phones,
00:30:28.500
without shelter or other means of communication or transportation. And my colleague pursued that
00:30:37.460
line of questioning. And the police official did the same thing that the previous one did,
00:30:43.140
which is to start talking about processing centers. And of course, we knew they had two
00:30:48.020
processing centers, but the issue is after people had been processed, they then took them to these rural
00:30:53.780
locations, minus 25, snow, wind, and kicked them out. A lot of them had been beaten. A lot of them
00:31:03.540
had already some frostbite on their hands because they were zip tied behind their backs and they
00:31:08.580
didn't have gloves on. They didn't have access to a bathroom for several hours. So it's outrageous.
00:31:15.380
This is Canada. Yeah, no, for sure. I think a lot of people have some hard time believing what
00:31:20.900
our country is like right now. Is what you're talking about the snatch and grab method? Because
00:31:25.860
we did hear Beth talk about that, but is that what you're talking about? Can you explain more?
00:31:30.180
Snatch and grab is where they have the line come forward. And then when someone's close,
00:31:35.540
they open the line, pull them through and then close the line. So that's how they would start
00:31:41.220
arresting people as they do this snatch and grab. And I think you guys witnessed that firsthand.
00:31:46.660
Yeah. Did you see some of that Alexa? I saw it a lot. It was actually what I saw
00:31:53.940
during the two days, just grabbing the one that was closer from the police that was more vulnerable.
00:31:59.860
And they were grabbing and bring it like really far away. And sometimes they wear a bee or the face down to
00:32:07.620
the snow. I saw it as well. I don't know for any legal site, but most of the vehicles were injured too.
00:32:22.260
Like they broke the window. They actually broke most of the window of the car. I was there at the
00:32:27.940
towing place and most of the car that was like going out of there was really destroyed. And I was just like,
00:32:35.780
do they have any help, like legal help for doing something against that? It seems like in the
00:32:42.100
commission, nobody's talking about like the injury of the car. Do they have like the power to do that?
00:32:50.100
Yeah. Well, I mean, you're a lawyer, so you can talk to you.
00:32:52.340
Yeah. And I should explain something because I get a lot of emails in the day. It's a disadvantage of
00:33:00.020
people being able to find your email address and maybe an advantage too. And here's what everybody
00:33:06.100
needs to understand is why is it that today, for example, our team had 25 minutes to cross-examine
00:33:15.860
this witness who was up for a day. And what happens is each day. So today we had to file by five o'clock
00:33:25.700
all of the documents that we plan to cross-examine the witness who will appear three days from now
00:33:32.500
and indicate the subject matter of our questioning and how much time we want. So we'll say like an
00:33:38.420
hour and a half. And then two days later, we'll get an email saying you're allowed to cross-examine,
00:33:48.100
but you get five minutes or you're allowed to cross-examine, but you get 15 minutes.
00:33:53.700
And we even get a seating order as to who can sit at a council table and the sequence
00:33:58.340
of when the questioning will occur. So then we triage and we go, all right, we had an hour and
00:34:04.820
a half worth of questions. So we have to focus in on certain areas. And we've been incrementally
00:34:11.540
bringing things in, as you'll notice, like today was the first time you saw the videos of the violence
00:34:16.420
because we had other things we had to deal with earlier. And we had to say, okay,
00:34:20.020
yeah, we wanted to ask Bell about that, but we knew we had too many more important things we had
00:34:26.020
to get out from him. So, so it's a big complex chessboard we're dealing with and we're always
00:34:31.860
have way less time and way more questions. So we have to triage. So for those out there wondering
00:34:37.140
why we're not asking certain questions, that's part of the answer. One of the things that we wanted to
00:34:42.100
get out today was the violence of the police. And that's why we put that video in where you can
00:34:46.260
clearly see that police officer just ramming his rifle, muzzle and not even button into someone's
00:34:53.940
back or head or something. Um, and you know, the room went really quiet when that video played,
00:35:01.780
I think it had, it had the desired effect. And that's, and that's another thing we're wanting
00:35:05.380
to play a lot more videos. But if you think about how long it takes to play the video,
00:35:11.300
and they always seem to have trouble queuing it up and then it buffers or it stops. Well,
00:35:16.020
that's our time tick, tick, tick, tick. You're playing the video now. Um, so we're, we're, we're,
00:35:21.700
you're going to see more videos. Um, but those are some of the, the, the tactical procedural
00:35:27.620
challenges we have in the room, uh, given how much evidence they're trying to get in over such a
00:35:33.220
short period of course, of course, the strategy that you lawyers have to, to decide which evidence
00:35:37.460
we put first, which evidence we put to which person, definitely some interesting stuff. And
00:35:42.100
you know, as you often come on our live stream, you're becoming sort of a star, but I think you
00:35:45.940
were also a star on tick tock as we saw today. Um, well, um, my question is like, did you expect
00:35:57.780
that they were using that video? Probably. I don't know if it was kind of against you,
00:36:02.740
but it was like a kind of a narrative that was going in the other way that the parties
00:36:09.460
was telling, uh, the protestor to do. So did you expect that they were playing it today?
00:36:16.420
I actually thought, I thought they would actually use that against me in cross-examination.
00:36:23.140
So I was glad to see it come out today because they used it in cross-examination on the police,
00:36:28.100
one of the lawyers. I mean, honestly, it doesn't make you look bad because you are saying to the
00:36:31.540
protesters that are coming here to Ottawa to cause trouble not to come. So you are telling
00:36:37.620
them that if you come here to, you know, disrupt international trade or to cause trouble,
00:36:42.100
do not come to Ottawa. Those are your exact words from the tick tock video. So I was very surprised
00:36:46.980
to see that lawyer who is leaning against the freedom convoy to try to put that video
00:36:52.260
out and show it to me. I don't think it makes you look bad, to be honest.
00:36:54.820
Well, uh, thank you for that. I mean, it's always weird to watch yourself as we all know,
00:36:59.700
uh, and what we're the three of us do, but, um, the background on that video was,
00:37:05.860
uh, we had, uh, Tamara had called emergency board meeting. We were in the seventh floor
00:37:11.620
boardroom in the Sheridan hotel. It was the, uh, that would have been probably the 16th, the Wednesday.
00:37:20.180
Yeah. That was the last time we were all together before we had to disperse because the arrests were
00:37:25.460
starting. Um, and what had happened was I just briefed the board. I had several lawyers,
00:37:31.300
some on my team and some on a new team. We brought in review the legislation. In addition to my own
00:37:36.260
review, wanted to make sure I was absolutely solid in my understanding of the law. Cause I knew I was
00:37:40.740
going to make a definitive statement about it. And, uh, I briefed the board. Chris Barber said,
00:37:46.820
that's great. You just told the board, come over here, let's do a tick tock and tell the world.
00:37:51.860
And he's like, Hey, I'm joined by lawyer. Keith Wells is like, Oh, okay. I guess I got to say it.
00:37:57.220
Um, and I stand by what I said. It's a hundred percent legally accurate. That was,
00:38:02.260
was amazing to us is what the actual emergency act order said. It clearly said that Canadians
00:38:08.980
continued to have their charter right for peaceful assembly. It clearly said that Canadians
00:38:13.220
continued to have the right for, uh, political advocacy, protest and dissent. And then it went
00:38:18.580
on to say, however, you know, if you're going to block international trade, or if you're going to
00:38:23.540
interfere with critical infrastructure, like a ferry terminal or a bridge,
00:38:27.540
or if you're going to engage in serious acts of violence against persons or property,
00:38:32.260
then you weren't allowed to go to downtown Ottawa. Well, I didn't know anybody wanted to do
00:38:37.060
any of those things. So that meant everybody was allowed to go to downtown Ottawa.
00:38:41.860
And you've heard repeatedly them use the expression that this became an illegal protest,
00:38:47.700
right? There is no point in time, none at which it became illegal protest. And you'll notice
00:38:54.100
they're always vague about what was the moment in time that it became illegal? What was the criteria?
00:38:59.540
The bottom line is at no point in time, was it illegal?
00:39:02.500
Well, I think that we both know the exact thing that had to be done by the mayor.
00:39:06.900
We will. We'll show it at some point. We don't want to spoil it already, but let me assure you,
00:39:12.340
it's very funny. Um, but you mentioned earlier that you were scared in a certain way that they
00:39:16.660
would use it against you in cross-examination. So that would mean that you're going to be testifying.
00:39:21.860
I think I, I, I learned earlier that you're going to be testifying next week.
00:39:25.540
Yeah. We received the tentative, uh, schedule for the protest witnesses. Uh, the tentative schedule
00:39:31.460
is, uh, on Tuesday will be Chris Barber and Tom Marazzo. Uh, on the Wednesday, it'll be myself.
00:39:39.060
On Thursday, it will be Tamara Leach. And then on the Friday, it'll be Danny Bulford.
00:39:43.540
And you know, you're going to be testifying for full day, but I have a couple of questions on that.
00:39:46.420
So I know in the preliminary witness list, get me warmed up here. You're going to do a little practice.
00:39:50.580
Yeah. Uh, you weren't, your name wasn't on the preliminary witness list. So why were you added?
00:39:58.500
Was it something that you guys requested? Yeah. So what worked is, and let me help clarify this too,
00:40:03.780
because so the witnesses is always a living document in an inquiry of this nature. They
00:40:09.780
released a preliminary witness list because we were still in discussions with them about
00:40:14.660
the range of witnesses that we wanted to put forward and the rationale for putting them forward.
00:40:18.980
They only put very few of our witnesses on, on that list. And people looked at the list and they
00:40:25.140
went, wow, how come there's so few from the convoy? So that's the reason we submitted a list of 25.
00:40:32.340
In fact, we're expanding it by a few more. Um, so the commission is currently reviewing that list of
00:40:39.140
25 witnesses that we're requesting. And, uh, and only three on the current list are, are on the
00:40:46.420
official list that you've seen. I mean, I'm not on that list and I'm testifying. Danny
00:40:50.100
Wolfer's not on that list, but he's testifying. So, um, there'll be a further list that will come
00:40:55.860
out in probably the coming days. Um, you know, we're shifting, uh, the resources of the commission
00:41:01.780
have been really focused on, on the municipal officials and the, the, the municipal and provincial
00:41:07.860
police. Now they're shifting their energies into the protesters. That'll be the next phase.
00:41:12.820
And, and then the federal police, and then the, the, the, the, the great crescendo at the end
00:41:19.060
will be, uh, in the last two weeks, the, uh, one fifth of the federal cabinet is expected to
00:41:25.220
testify, including, uh, prime minister Trudeau himself. But I mean, why Keith Wilson? I mean,
00:41:30.580
you're, you're, you're just a tech talk star. Why, why are you? Well, uh, I, I take your,
00:41:35.300
your sarcasm, um, gotten to know this guy, seeing him every day in the hearing room. Um,
00:41:41.220
you know, I, I was asked to lead the legal team and I flew in with my team on February 2nd,
00:41:47.540
and I was on the ground for 19 days. And I was just talking to Tamara cause I was reviewing my
00:41:52.020
telephone logs from my, my, my cell phone bill to show all the phone calls I had with
00:41:56.180
premier Peckford and the mayor's chief of staff and the police and all these things to confirm
00:42:01.100
dates and times. And, um, I said to Tamara, I said, your phone number's not on there once.
00:42:07.820
And she said, yeah, she said, we, we, we always talked face to face cause we were always together.
00:42:11.900
So Tom and Tamara and Eva and I, and others were always together from early morning to late at night,
00:42:19.420
dealing with the issues. Um, Evan and I were involved in all the negotiations with the police.
00:42:24.520
We dealt with GoFundMe. We dealt with give send go. We've dealt with the class action lawsuit.
00:42:28.820
We dealt with the horn injunction. We've dealt with the Mareeva injunction. We dealt with the Bitcoin.
00:42:32.900
Um, so, um, I think that's why they've asked me to testify. Oh, it'll be interesting to see you
00:42:38.980
testifying. Yeah. And you, you were, you, you were there when, um, the, the meeting with the mayor
00:42:45.300
was there and they actually say today that you fell at, um, uh, the, I, I, I don't know, maybe you need
00:42:54.740
to refresh me, but I, they say that when Keith Williams did fell for the, um, um, to seal the deal,
00:43:02.820
I think, uh, with the protestor, with the mayor. Um, I don't know if you recall. Oh yeah.
00:43:08.660
They were talking about you. Yeah. Yeah. Their, their, their narrative is,
00:43:14.660
well, the police have a narrative and the federal government have a narrative. The police narrative is
00:43:19.380
it's not their fault that they blocked the trucks for moving. Cause we had trucks ready to go every
00:43:25.140
day. We had, we had, we had a huge note. We, we were really surprised at the buy-in on the Saturday
00:43:31.860
night and the Saturday, the leaders and the block captains went around to all the different blocks,
00:43:36.740
Coventry, uh, Tamara herself went out to the farm locations to make sure that the owners of those
00:43:41.780
lands were satisfied with hundreds of vehicles showing up in the coming days. And they were,
00:43:46.100
and they had room for them because the most of the vehicles were 75% of the vehicles were
00:43:50.020
going to leave the downtown core 25. We're going to go up to Wellington. And then the idea is that
00:43:54.100
we would expand the shuttle bus service from the farms, the camps. So the protesters could keep
00:43:59.380
coming during the day. And there was also a lot of people that needed to get home. You know,
00:44:03.460
they wanted to stay and they wanted to stay as long as they could, but we have to be realistic.
00:44:07.620
And, and, and so making this move provided an opportunity for them to move with dignity.
00:44:12.580
Um, so the police narrative is, well, the trucks were never going to leave.
00:44:15.940
So it didn't matter that we blocked them. It's still the truckers fault, right? It's like, no,
00:44:19.860
it's your fault. So that's what the commission's lawyers are really pursuing today. Um,
00:44:24.420
the federal government narrative is the federal government was right to ignore this breakthrough
00:44:30.020
deal between the mayor and the truckers because the truckers weren't going to honor it. And the
00:44:34.660
truckers never completed the deal. Well, when they keep concrete barriers in front of your truck,
00:44:41.780
it's pretty hard to move. So I think this commission is seeing through that. You can see
00:44:46.260
that in the questioning that they're having. And I'm hoping that by the time the rest of us testify
00:44:51.300
and tell the other side of the story, that it'll become clear. What really happened here is that we had
00:44:56.500
a plan to deescalate, to reduce the pressures on the downtown, to concentrate the pressure on the
00:45:03.220
federal government where it needed to be and to allow the protest to carry on in a way that was
00:45:09.460
more sustainable. Yeah. No, we, we, we keep hearing a lot of stuff. Yeah.
00:45:14.900
Yeah. And, uh, they talk a lot today about the miscommunication and I have the impression that
00:45:22.340
all the group of, uh, different, um, unite of bodies like the, um, the PLT or the OPP or the OPS.
00:45:32.820
And I have the impression that they were not communicating to each other. It was just like,
00:45:37.700
we are communicating with the OPS, but I have the impression that the information was not going
00:45:43.140
true to others. So, um, probably I have the impression that if everything went not well,
00:45:50.340
it's, it's a lack of communication. Yeah. I mean, one of the things we realized is that,
00:45:56.180
and we knew this at the time is that we had better communications than the police.
00:46:00.340
Um, so the number of times I would get a phone call from, from the, the police level that we were
00:46:06.900
dealing with constantly and they go, Keith, Keith, what's going on? And we'd say, well,
00:46:12.420
your superintendent is meeting with your chief and they're deciding this, this, and this. They're
00:46:16.900
like, okay, thanks. We'll tell the other guys here. Like, no problem. Why don't you guys just
00:46:20.340
give me a radio? You know? Um, so we had that, but the other thing that we learned that we didn't
00:46:25.540
know at the time, we thought it was all communication was the problem. We now know from all of the notes
00:46:31.540
of the superintendents and the interim chief that they made conscious decisions, not to let the deal go
00:46:38.660
through. They made conscious decisions. Like the first attempt for us to clear Sussex and Rodeau,
00:46:44.820
which occurred after the meeting we had with Steve Kaye, the city manager on the eighth,
00:46:49.060
Eva, Chipyuk, myself, and Tom is, uh, uh, we now found out today from the police notes
00:46:57.700
that the senior command had in the morning said, there's no way we're going to let any trucks move
00:47:03.540
from that intersection. So Tom Marazzo was like, well, why did you send me in to negotiate with
00:47:09.380
Sussex and Rodeau? When you already knew you weren't going to let any trucks move. And Tom had
00:47:15.300
them ready to move. He walked forward in a parlay because all the police were gathered, had a
00:47:20.900
conversation with Sergeant Fong and Fong said, oh, I got to take a call. Cause Tom said, we're ready to
00:47:27.940
go, pull the barriers. We're going to move up to Wellington. Uh, you're going to get your intersection
00:47:32.260
cleared. And, uh, Fong said, oh, deals off. And we now have the notes from the senior command
00:47:39.780
officials that made that decision and noting that they phoned Fong and said the deals off,
00:47:44.900
or there were, there was never going to be a deal. So it's remarkable. Um, this could have been
00:47:50.020
handled in a way that would have, this could have been handled in a Canadian way, you know, by respect
00:47:56.820
and dialogue and recognizing that there was a fundamental difference of view. Um, and by
00:48:02.580
deescalating, uh, as, as the commissioners asked many of the witnesses, was there ever a plan or an
00:48:09.540
offer to allow a way for the protest to continue in a way that was peaceful and lawful? And we were
00:48:16.740
actually on a track for that. And the other bombshell that came out yesterday, you guys probably covered
00:48:21.140
it, but I just got to highlight it. Uh, you know, the mic drop moment with, uh, with Miller.
00:48:26.100
Oh yeah. And, and, and just to, to simplify that for everyone, because it's, unless you're,
00:48:31.860
it was hard to pick up on exactly what happened there, but it was this, the same steps that Eva
00:48:38.820
and Tom and I were taking with the city and the mayor and Dean French, former chief of staff to
00:48:43.540
Premier Ford, who was acting as the emissary, the intermediary, but with the mayor, um, that whole
00:48:48.980
kind of framework that we had in place to deescalate, reduce the footprint, focus the, the protest right
00:48:54.500
on the federal government's doorstep was something that the RCMP and the federal government and the
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public safety deputy minister had come up with as well. And they had laid it out in this document
00:49:05.780
and this whole plan as to how it could work. And it was basically mimicking what we had done at the
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municipal level. They were going to do it implemented at the federal level and it would have worked.
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It was presented to the cabinet and they said, no, we're invoking the emergencies act. And that's
00:49:19.460
when Miller said to the head OPP yesterday, sir, cause he was involved in developing this plan of,
00:49:26.820
of negotiation. Sir, you, do you, I I'm, I'm telling you that this plan was presented to the IROC,
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whatever their initials are, this cabinet emergency committee, um, for this deescalation,
00:49:45.540
they rejected it and they invoked the emergencies.
00:49:48.260
Exactly. Look at exactly what, what Miller said right here.
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An email from the deputy minister of public safety, Rob Stewart to you, right?
00:50:01.460
Yes. Okay. And in the third sentence on the top paragraph, it says,
00:50:07.620
we have a big meeting this afternoon. Well, this will be discussed. So I really need your input,
00:50:12.740
right? Yes. All right. Did you know that that meeting
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was at 3 30 PM and that it was with cabinet and it was the incident response group
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of the political executive meeting and that your proposal was provided to them?
00:50:28.980
Uh, no. Okay. It was, I can tell you that. And then they invoked the emergencies act.
00:50:35.060
Thank you. If you look, look at his face, that's the first time he discovers that this plan he had,
00:50:52.100
that was a really good plan. And the proof that it was really good plan was it was so similar to the
00:50:58.340
plan that mom and Eva and, and Steve K and, and, and, and the mayor and his chief of staff and Dean
00:51:04.580
French had put together. And that was succeeding was succeeding. And so he's really excited about it,
00:51:12.900
this senior OPP officer. And he finds out on a live stream under oath in cross-examination that
00:51:20.820
his plan was in fact presented to the cabinet and the prime minister. What you can see, he's like,
00:51:26.100
wow, really? What happened? They rejected it. They invoked the emergencies act. And you saw his face
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And your friend, your friend Miller from Alberta is such a great lawyer. And I think we have another
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clip from today that we can show to our viewers about the cross-examination done by Brandon Miller.
00:51:45.540
So at any time on February 8th, 2022, there was nothing stopping OPS in the city from moving the
00:51:53.380
barriers, letting the trucks leave the residential area and letting them go on to Wellington, was there?
00:52:01.060
You're referring to Rio and Sussex, which that's not necessarily a residential area. That's a commercial
00:52:08.500
Right. So you agree that there was nothing stopping you or the city or OPS from
00:52:18.980
It could have been done, but we didn't reach an agreement. And the group there didn't want to move.
00:52:24.260
I understand that may be the evidence. Where did you, you didn't ever hear from anyone from that
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group. You didn't speak to them and they didn't say to you that they didn't want to move, did they?
00:52:35.940
I had had dealings up at that street. I'd been up to Rio and Sussex during the course of the events.
00:52:40.580
Right. And did they just go and tell you, someone approached you, you're saying,
00:52:46.260
They made it clear on a number of occasions they weren't too happy.
00:52:49.380
But you knew from your PLT work that Tom Morazzo had apparent control of 322 trucks.
00:52:55.380
And that was on February 7th. That's in your own document.
00:52:59.380
Correct. And so if you move the barriers and the deal went through, as discussed on February 8th,
00:53:10.820
I think there was some, there were some issues about whether they were leaving or moving.
00:53:15.700
And I had spoke to Inspector, Superintendent Patterson earlier, and we didn't have approval to do that.
00:53:31.460
So you're saying that Superintendent Patterson didn't permit the February 8th, 2022 deal?
00:53:41.700
Interesting. Yeah, what do you make of that question?
00:53:49.540
we worked really hard to earn the trust of the bulk of the protesters.
00:53:56.340
You know, there's always going to be lone wolves and guys who are going to say silly things.
00:54:01.220
I mean, you get more than 10 people together, you're going to have that one person do that.
00:54:04.660
But if the reality is, if the police would have cooperated,
00:54:10.980
and they wouldn't have stopped and kept double crossing,
00:54:15.380
we would have had the entirety of the downtown cleared, but for Wellington.
00:54:21.460
I estimate that about, you know, so 25% of the vehicles would have went up onto Wellington.
00:54:32.980
And I think about half of those would have went to the base camps.
00:54:36.740
And they maybe would have only went home for five or six days.
00:54:38.900
And then they would have come back to the base camp.
00:54:40.420
And we would have been running our shuttle buses.
00:54:42.180
And we would have kept the pressure on the federal government.
00:54:44.580
But, you know, you think about what would have happened if you gamed that out.
00:54:48.260
We knew that if we did the deal with the mayor,
00:54:52.180
and the mayor effectively solved the problem, who looks incredibly weak?
00:54:58.260
Yeah, the mayor looks strong, and the prime minister looks weak, right?
00:55:05.380
The truckers had already showed him for what he is.
00:55:09.860
And that's why our plan and its success didn't dissuade them from bringing in the Emergencies Act.
00:55:17.460
And as we now know, the OPP plan and the federal government public safety plan to open up negotiations at the federal level that we were always open to was not going to be allowed.
00:55:30.980
And instead, I said to each of the police liaison and senior government officials that phoned me on the Wednesday, this would be the 16th, and told me the deal's not going ahead anymore.
00:55:47.220
The new police chief stopped it, and the federal government stopped it.
00:55:50.580
And I said, it's clear to me that the prime minister wants his Tiananmen Square moment.
00:55:58.580
When you think back to Beijing, when the students revolted 20-some years ago, and the communist regime sent in the goons to beat up and shoot citizens that were protesting for democracy.
00:56:11.580
Well, he's got his deep admiration for the basic dictatorship in China.
00:56:18.440
He's told us about his admiration, and then we have his other ties to Cuba, which might be family.
00:56:25.860
But, you know, so he's got those affinities to these kind of authoritarian regimes, and it's his default, obviously.
00:56:32.400
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00:58:03.720
I think to Doug Ford, may you allow me, I was surprised that to watch the commission so far,
00:58:14.740
and none of them mentioned the number of press conferences that the leader of the convoy did
00:58:22.720
to try to pass the message and to communicate and to make their voice heard by the politician.
00:58:30.500
And I was just like, really, I found that really incredible that they didn't bring that up at all.
00:58:37.360
Yeah, well, you guys were willing to engage with the politicians.
00:58:40.300
You guys were willing to talk to the politicians.
00:58:42.740
In regards to Doug Ford, now we learned recently that he was summoned to participate in the Public Order Emergency Act inquiry.
00:58:55.880
The commission has detailed initially their efforts over the past couple of months to have him participate.
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They've indicated in writing the questions they were looking to get answers to,
00:59:11.940
And he refused all of those, so they took steps to subpoena him, to compel him to attend by force of law.
00:59:18.700
He has responded by having his lawyers bring an emergency judicial review application seeking to strike down the summons.
00:59:27.600
And he might have some success because of some peculiarities in the law with respect to the jurisdiction of a federal inquiry to compel and subpoena a sitting provincial politician.
00:59:40.700
But aside from that, you have to say to yourself, well, what's he got to hide?
00:59:49.260
I mean, none of those involved in the protests that I know who are being asked to testify, including myself, we're sleeping fine at night.
01:00:02.840
What is it that he knows that he doesn't want to come out?
01:00:06.200
So very, very perplexing, concerning, and it will be even more concerning if he's successful in preventing the subpoena from being effective
01:00:17.620
and able to escape being examined and cross-examined under oath in this inquiry.
01:00:23.160
Yeah, well, in terms of transparency, you know, we know Doug Ford is not the most transparent premier at all.
01:00:26.900
He blocks our Rebel News reporter, David Menzies, from all of his events, even though he used to come on our Rebel Live event.
01:00:33.660
I don't know if you're able to touch on it, but what do you expect to press Doug Ford on?
01:00:39.360
What do you want to see the lawyers press him on when he comes on the stand?
01:00:42.600
Well, I think some of the things that he would be pressed on would be questions relating to the powers that he had at his disposal
01:00:53.500
under the Provincial Emergencies Act and the sufficiency of those.
01:00:58.940
Another would be why he sort of hid from this issue.
01:01:05.320
He didn't, you know, he pointed out how many press conferences to Mara Leach and media statements she did,
01:01:12.140
and the premier was, you know, missing in action.
01:01:15.840
So I think those are a couple of things that could be pursued if he is eventually required to testify.
01:01:23.940
See, I really do hope that Doug Ford actually comes on the stand and testified.
01:01:30.900
Do we have any chats, Olivia, that we can read on the screen?
01:01:38.020
I like to think that Catherine McKinney's testimony had a small part to play in her election loss.
01:01:44.960
Be careful, you might be banned from the internet with Bill C-11.
01:01:56.440
Yeah, honestly, my plans on moving to Alberta, to the great province of Alberta,
01:02:00.320
have been delayed now that Mark Stuckliffe is elected.
01:02:03.120
I can assure you that if Catherine McKinney had been elected mayor of Ottawa,
01:02:08.660
I would most probably move to Alberta in the next few months, next few years.
01:02:12.580
But, yeah, no, it's great to see someone other than this woman.
01:02:16.880
Sorry, this individual be elected as mayor of the city, yeah.
01:02:21.800
Well, I wouldn't be surprised if her testimony and the publicity around it
01:02:26.560
and her hot mic moment, you know, like she was running on a campaign of transparency
01:02:32.340
and she gets caught in a public inquiry that's live-streamed coaching a witness.
01:02:38.400
I mean, wow, that's the antithesis of transparency.
01:02:43.780
So, you know, and the internet, well, she had to issue a statement about it.
01:02:57.620
So, you know, it underscores the importance of this media.
01:03:04.880
We know we can't rely on the captured legacy media that is always seeking to please its
01:03:13.580
And we need to rely on these forms of communication to get to truth and examine issues in a full way.
01:03:22.300
That's the same woman that when I asked her to state her position on the value of freedom of speech in Canada,
01:03:28.420
She wouldn't give me an answer on what her position is on freedom of speech,
01:03:32.220
which is one of the basic rights that we have as Canadians.
01:03:36.540
So, no, I'm truly glad that she wasn't elected.
01:03:38.960
We went to the bar after the election night, everyone.
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I have a really challenging question for you, Keith.
01:03:56.720
What will be the consequences if they find out the Emergencies Act was not necessary?
01:04:16.240
First of all, if anybody's been involved in a lawsuit or any kind of legal process,
01:04:23.000
it's not often the decision at the end that crushes you.
01:04:31.160
So, what we're witnessing right now, you know, I warned everybody,
01:04:38.060
all of the clients and the leaders of the freedom movement that we're going to have a really tough two months,
01:04:46.840
that we're just going to get beat up every day.
01:04:49.980
It's going to look like the world's against us.
01:04:55.700
I never, ever thought it was going to go as well as it's going.
01:05:02.280
The number of times we've all looked at one another and said, well, I guess we're off to the airport.
01:05:07.220
Time to go home, you know, after one of their witnesses reveals something.
01:05:14.280
We're going to see this through to its conclusion.
01:05:16.580
But part of what's happening right now is even some of the left-wing press is coming out against the government.
01:05:24.300
And it's a drip, drip, drip, drip of the truth.
01:05:30.040
And so one of the consequences is the consequence of the process.
01:05:35.320
Another is it is true that when Justice Rouleau issues his report in February,
01:05:44.400
that if he concludes that the invocation was not justified,
01:05:48.520
it doesn't mean that Justin Trudeau pays a fine.
01:05:55.560
The expectation of the legislation is there'll be a political consequence.
01:05:59.900
In any other situation, one would expect the leader of the party that invoked it
01:06:04.900
and its cabinet to resign, to do the honorable thing.
01:06:12.620
And I don't need to finish the sentence there because you can fill it out yourself.
01:06:16.180
So the best that we can hope for is that more and more Canadians,
01:06:25.300
like the number of people that have tacked me on Twitter saying there was no deal,
01:06:34.240
All these notes in the superintendent's things about truck movements, they're lying.
01:06:39.460
So even the naysayers are having to admit the truth about what really happened during the protests.
01:06:47.480
And it's so counter to the legacy captured media's narrative and the propaganda that they were pushing.
01:06:55.220
You know, Solzhenitsyn, who helped bring down the Soviet Union, did it by always staying honest to the truth.
01:07:06.300
You know, that expression about as time went on, I can't do the whole thing, but it's we knew they were lying.
01:07:15.960
We knew that they knew that we knew they were, you know, et cetera.
01:07:20.780
And I think we're going down that road right now where more and more people are realizing the government was lying.
01:07:27.260
No, that's what's great about the emergency act inquiry, 100%.
01:07:35.380
I know we're already 10 minutes past the time that we're supposed to end.
01:07:39.620
Thank you, Alexa, for working so hard and being on the live stream tonight.
01:07:44.560
And being able to wear a tie properly with a proper dress shirt.
01:07:55.380
According to that first email that we saw, you were the one who was provided with this information, right?
01:08:00.160
That Mr. Morazzo wanted to meet with a city official.
01:08:02.880
Yes, from John Ferguson, Staff Sergeant John Ferguson.
01:08:06.240
And so this was a sort of, you know, if he's able to meet with a city official, then he will attempt to negotiate movement of trucks out of the Rideau and Sussex area.
01:08:17.300
I don't know if it was necessarily defined at that point as Rideau and Sussex, but the request was to meet with a city official in exchange to try to help move some trucks out of the area.
01:08:28.900
And in the witness summary that we just looked at, you provided a bit more background.
01:08:32.620
And you said that moving these trucks was being considered because there was space available on Wellington.
01:08:40.880
And why did you understand the protesters at Rideau and Sussex wanting to move to the Wellington area?
01:08:50.880
And it also, from our perspective, would have helped shrink the footprint and opened up that road.
01:08:57.660
And why was that important to open up that road?
01:09:00.900
It's a main artery in the City of Ottawa at Rideau and Sussex.
01:09:11.940
It was a main area that we wanted to try to get opened up.
01:09:16.000
But equally, there were lots of other areas we wanted to get opened up as well.
01:09:23.100
And by reducing the footprint, that would also help us.
01:09:26.260
And is it fair to say that this move would have been seen as helpful to OPS?
01:09:31.560
I mean, ultimately, we wanted people to leave and to vacate those roads, period.
01:09:36.600
But in the meantime, as part of a negotiation strategy to try to reduce the footprint,
01:09:42.540
And I think that's sort of the ability and I think that we're going to open to see thoseulos in the past.
01:09:49.660
So let's look at the momentum of the pavement Spirit.