BREAKDOWN： Trucker Commission Day 13 ｜ Ft. Andrew Lawton
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Summary
The Public Order Emergency Commission is a fail safe that is built into the emergencies act called the "Public Order Emergency inquiry or commission" and it's purpose is to investigate what happened to the truckers convoy that was attacked by the Bs peddlers in the streets of our nation's capital.
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oh hey good afternoon good evening everybody and welcome to the rubble news daily live stream
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wherein we used to talk about the news of the day but there is only this news of the day and it is
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the public order emergency commission or what we're calling here at rebel news the trucker commission
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and it is halloween and my friend william diaz and i have spent the entire day watching the absolute
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horror show that is the trucker commission unfold it was former police chief steve slow or i'm sorry
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peter slowly testifying today um this was cross-examination and um right off the hop
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chaos backstabbing palace intrigue um and of course the sleaziness of navigator in there for good
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measure and it didn't get any better as the day went on quite frankly what did you think william
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well you know and i see you again sheila i think you know on a lot on our last last live stream
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i try to have some empathy for peter slowly i try to defend former chief slowly and i try i try to show
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how great of a person he was and honestly think i would have some trouble doing that say after hearing
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his testimony after hearing him claim moral high ground after hearing him talk about
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um systemic racism the police for systemic biases and everything that we heard today so
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definitely interesting day as it is always during the trucker commission
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i should give everybody a little bit of background so the public order emergency inquiry or commission
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is a fail safe that's built into the emergencies act and for those of you who have been following along
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and i don't know how you couldn't know but in february justin trudeau invoked a counterterrorism law
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that's never been used before called the emergencies act to dissipate to extinguish the entirely peaceful
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truckers convoy for freedom that was in our nation's capital for approaching nearly four weeks they
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arrived there sort of the 27th 28th of january and justin trudeau hit the nuclear button on february 14th
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and in the lead up to that there had only been five even slightly charges of violence and
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and i think two of those as our friend danny balford explained i think two of those were actually
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committed by ottawa residents against the convoy and actually i noticed in a csis note today it's in one
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of my tweets but i know we can't bring it up so i'll just read it when we get there i noticed in a csis
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note from oh i forget his name vignette anyways the head of csis in a conversation with uh peter slowly
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that they were actually concerned about violence coming from the residents of ottawa and as it turns
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out he was right because they were the ones who were acting up and committing violence against the
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truckers by throwing eggs but if you are at home and you'd like to get involved and support the work
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that we do completely willingly unlike um the bought and paid for justin trudeau colonized
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mainstream media and again that's something we should bring up today because that came up in
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communications between public safety and the prime minister's office that as early as oh i think it
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was the 23rd of january i'll go back in my it was very early yeah the convoy wasn't even in ottawa yet
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and those malicious bs peddlers were already deciding that they were going to paint the convoy
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before they had even gotten to ottawa before they'd even done a thing as uh insurrection north
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january 6th north and i think january 6th is highly exaggerated and they were going to like
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step it up that much more and paint the convoy that hadn't even arrived in ottawa as guilty of
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pre-crimes against the state and they were waiting for their friends in the mainstream media to pave the
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way particularly i think it was global news that was working on a story about just how awful these
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people that they'd never talked to and had never even gone to ottawa quite yet how awful they would
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be because you know as conservatives we're just guilty of pre-crimes we're murderers and rapists
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waiting for a place to happen if you ask the mainstream media but if you'd like to support
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the work that we do and um you know in spite of the bs merchants in the mainstream media might i
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suggest you leave a paid chat you can do that on rumble in the form of a rumble red or on odyssey
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they're called hyper chats there um if it's over five bucks we'll do our very best to address uh your
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question query comment story idea live on air i can't guarantee that we will though because it's so
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busy we just sort of run out of time and i'm going to be honest with you it's halloween and i got to
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be right done at five because if my little niece shows up at my door looking really cute and really
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spooky and i don't get the opportunity to make her tell me at least three dad jokes before i put way
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too much candy in her bag i'm going to be very upset and i'm not going to be a pleasure to work
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with tomorrow so let's just get through what we can today um william and i think some frozen alberta
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meat in her bag that's what she needs to eat she knows where to find steak and it's over at auntie's
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house we should get to the first clip of the day and this one caught me off guard because i was like
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did i hear that right because you know you're sort of listening you're not really watching you're
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listening and typing live tweeting and if people want to follow my live tweets from today it's at
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trucker commission.com and dot ca i believe ca i believe but um it was something else why don't we roll
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clip one because i couldn't believe the language that was used here chief asked who we should have
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in to be pou incident commander and i asked for dave springer at that point um mark patterson said
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dave springer an inspector came into my office this morning and told me what i should be doing that he
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wasn't actually there the chief responded by saying if he did that he would cut off dave springer's nuts
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and call his boss and it goes on and i don't recall do you remember the rest of the uh statement you
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made i don't even recall that incident sir okay so it you don't recall it or it didn't happen
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i don't recall the combination of things that she's talking about here sir and you don't recall
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saying that you'll cut off dave springer's nuts and use them as bookends and use them as bookends
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no sir i don't recall saying that i don't think i've ever said anything
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okay that was the point in the day wherein i liked peter slowly but it just diffused after that
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i i liked his candid language but that is a very contentious exchange with that man who's examining
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him as the lawyer for the ottawa police service and chief slowly is no longer with the ottawa police
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service i guess he insists that nobody even call him chief slowly anymore or former chief slowly just
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mr slowly he keeps correcting the lawyers but i believe i believe there is a lawsuit percolating
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i don't know if it's been filed yet or it's being drafted maybe we'll see it shake out after all of
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this but i think there's probably a lawsuit uh between slowly and at least the ottawa police service
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quite possibly the city of ottawa uh stemming from his unceremonious departure where i think the
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relationship between him and the police force became very untenable actually there was quite a few
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things where um slowly remarked that his deputies were undermining him and just going rogue sabotaging
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him and interestingly enough one of his deputies steve bell that replaced him as interim police chief
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um he said that he had difficulty getting hendon reports from his own staff those are the intel reports
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from the opp as the convoy approached um he's but then the lawyer said but you were cc'd on all of these so i don't know
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if he wasn't just reading his own emails but he testified that he had trust issues with his own deputies
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bell and ferguson after they suddenly without asking anybody made superintendent jamie dunlop the event commander
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of the convoy without anybody's knowledge and this was particularly concerning because superintendent dunlop
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was the event commander just months earlier wherein a car was flipped over and a small scale riot broke out
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after the annual university of ottawa panda game and he was actually still part of an ongoing investigation
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into the policing tactics that night i think they had eight people charged with mischief that night
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and somebody was actually charged with riot which is one more person than was ever charged in the
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convoy and a car was flipped over and i'm pretty sure the car was never flipped over in the convoy so
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they actually had a riot of university students this guy oversaw it they think that some of the police
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actions sort of inflamed the situation there and chief solely's two deputies said you know who you know
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who should be in charge that guy plus we're not going to tell uh the police chief that we've made him
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so they were sort of already cutting him out of everything sounds like as early as february 3rd
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yeah well i mean you know i i went to university of ottawa before working with the rebel news
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and i can tell you yeah the the celebration after the panda game was not was not was not small there were
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a lot of students out in the street and the police definitely did not have a handle on the situation
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i don't know how they couldn't might have just been competence here lack of organization but if that
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was the man who was placed to be the event commander for a convoy that same person who handled the panda
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game i really have some trouble trusting his abilities to be an event commander um but no i totally agree
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with you i'm sure the ops has something prepared for slowly you could see the line of questioning was
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probably one of the most tense line of questionings that i've seen since the beginning of the inquiry
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even when brendan miller was with zay zilly or mckinney or jim watson it was not as tense as it was today
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so it was very interesting to see that yeah and brendan miller he i don't think he ever gets uh tense he
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just uh he just asks questions that people don't like yeah um there was also i mentioned navigator
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those grease balls over at navigator um they were hired by ottawa police service so i'll go back a
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step if you are in trouble as a politician or a bureaucrat like a ops here having public relations
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issues and you've done something wrong you hire navigator um they were hired by ops in consultation
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with the ops board to give advice to ops and the board their february 2nd meeting notes with the chief
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of police and navigator and they were sort of scheming about how would how do we save face with
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the public not how do we reach a peaceful resolution to what's happening here but how do we save our
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public reputations and they said what do we need to do more of tickets arrest use of force that was one
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of the suggestions use of force then what do we go to politicians do we go to big lockdowns like all
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this stuff was on the table as early as i'm sorry february 2nd so we're into the like the very first
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week and in those meetings they said we're going to go out and lay charges they wanted the prime minister
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to get involved does he have incentive to get involved they asked then they said this is my
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favorite the truckers know the rights and they're not afraid so you could have went in there and used
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force and the truckers were going to be peaceful and use their rights and they said who can we bring in
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as a politician to save face and then lastly the heavy police presence those guys in riot gear
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they didn't need to be the guys without any uh identification on them the guys that look like
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they were going to break up a panda game celebration uh that was a communication strategy it wasn't
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necessary it was all political theater and it came from navigator to make it seem like the police were
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doing something they said we're going to show up in riot gear we're going to use floodlights at night
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and we're going to use repeated police stops because it was theater to make it seem to the public
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and particularly the worry warts who lived downtown that they were doing something so they were
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make-believing authoritarian thugs um this here this stuff the riot horses this is all a strategic
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communications campaign from those uh crisis actors over at navigator
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yeah it definitely did have an impact on the on the morale of the protesters though i think when
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they saw these measures being used it had an impact on their morale as people that are peacefully
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protesting in ottawa and seeing it this is their tactics that are being used against them that's a
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tactic that you're deciding to use against peaceful protesters that are protesting vaccine mandates
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yeah and and navigator thought this was something that would help them save face with the public when
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actually i think it really turned a lot of people who were like maybe these truckers should just go
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home that those images there turned people against the ottawa police it turned people like me who are
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like yep thin blue line i'm pro police don't defund the police and i see this and i'm like i think
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maybe their budgets are a little too high in ottawa if they could do that to grandmas who just want to
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be able to visit their grandkids and watch them play hockey without getting a jab yeah yeah and you saw
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also in some of the analysis of the social media accounts another thing i'm not exactly sure what
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term they use but i know that they hired a company or maybe they had a company already in place to
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analyze how the response to the convoy will affect the view that citizens of ottawa had on the police
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and it showed that the people that are living outside of the downtown area would see the response of
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the police as being too harsh and would lower the support that they have for the police and contrary to
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people that are downtown that are usually very governments that are usually very liberal because
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they work for the government the people that are that are living downtown in the vast majority work
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for the government whereas people that are living a little bit further away don't work for the
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government so i think they had a different vision of of the police because of it look at this we're
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watching the navigator strategic communication strategy unfold right in front of us on the screen good
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job navigator i think they got paid close to two hundred thousand dollars for the absolutely awful
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advice they gave slowly and the city of um ottawa just grotesque let's go to clip two um because uh i could
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talk about how bad navigator is all day and i i grew to like or dislike them during the times of
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allison redford sky palace construction they brought in navigator to help her out when
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everybody conservatives liberals and everybody was turning on um allison redford and they brought
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in navigator to help and it definitely didn't help they never help uh let's go to clip two uh former
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uh ottawa police chief slowly was asking an internal crisis management team what the next steps would be
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to contain the convoy and their response was um well political uh keep scrolling please
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p.s that's peter slowly you ask them the question so you've just had the pou meeting the previous
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day what do we need to do more more arrests tickets use of force then what go to the politicians
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go into big lockdown mode massive show of police presence and then hold hands and come together
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or two bigger lockdown of city for weekend and then you'll see aaron at the bottom aaron is from
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navigator or asi yes sir um job is to keep the peace and keep people protected when you take a hard line
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citizens of ottawa want this but not everyone need to acknowledge not everyone uh represents or resonates
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as fringe group this is a national problem and prime minister needs to get us out of it
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well i mean they were there to protest trudeau i don't disagree with everything he's saying here
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i think that it was indeed a policing not a policing sorry political issue was not a policing issue
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which is the reason why they should have negotiated with the federal government the federal government
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should have accepted to get those people and to negotiate with those people because that's your
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role as a politician you're supposed to talk to your constituents and when you're a prime minister
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you don't only represent the liberal party voters you don't represent the liberal party donors
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you represent all canadians when you go abroad you you don't say my name is justin true i'm for the
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liberal party of canada you say my name is justin true i'm the prime minister of canada and they
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should have negotiated and if the levels of government had decided to negotiate with the
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processor and to actually speak with them and hear their concerns i don't think we would have been
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we would be in the same situation that we are in right now it's true um we also i'm just trying to
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cruise through some of these clips because we've got so many and they're crazy and i really want to
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get to that uh text message exchange between the two political operatives because it's just revolting
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and it's you know they do stuff like this like you know they do but to see it in a text message
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it's really an extra level of gall but before we get to that we heard last week
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steve bell used the word assaultive to mean anything but assault but like people who are
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experiencing discomfort and uh angst and anxiety and maybe inconvenience and possibly a traffic snarl
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like there's a lot of people who are being inconvenienced and they're using inconvenience
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interchangeably with the word assaultive which i think isn't even a real word assault is a thing
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assaultive i'm not so sure and we saw steve bell say yes it was assaultive and then when pressed on
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that but no actual assault just like it's only inconvenience yeah no no report of assault that
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actually did happen i think i think a lot of people are confusing assault with inconvenience
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or violence with with you know me the disagreement i think that's an issue people in ottawa have
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yeah it's very strange it's someone who doesn't share your exact viewpoint on everything
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assaultive um slowly tried that um apparently not doing his homework about how poorly it went over
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for steve bell with the public perhaps he should have asked navigator what the public thought about
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it um but um or maybe he did and that's why they gave him such bad advice um but um he tried it and he
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was sort of had to backtrack when he was pushed on it if we could show clip four and so there was never
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a declaration of course as a riot and there was no formal declaration that there was an unlawful
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assembly and therefore the protesters who were there who were who were sitting there no one in
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authority it's fair to say told them that they were doing anything illegal is that fair
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again i i will cede to the legal definition of it but i i couldn't agree that that would be the case
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given the massive amount of social media mainstream media coverage of what was happening
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in our city here and across the country i think it'd be very hard to to believe that any individual
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could not understand that there was a level of unlawfulness and public danger and risk heightened risk
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i think that was the wrong clip i think we wanted to show the clip before i think that was clip five but
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that's still a great clip because there was no riot there was no there was no declaration of a riot
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so if they declare what you're doing is a riot rightly or wrongly
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if if you stay there now you're participating in a riot
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nobody told them what they were doing was illegal
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and he said that there was a level of unlawfulness
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okay well what was that level of unlawfulness because we only saw
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why don't we see more arrests nobody was telling you you couldn't enforce the criminal code
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why did if you saw violence it behooves you to defend the community
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and they weren't laying charges because it wasn't unlawful
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not and as someone pointed out not even a window broke
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no 100% and you know i've been spending a little bit of time with tamerilisha's lawyers recently
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and i know what exactly has to be done what exactly has to be said for a protest
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to be deemed a riot according to our legal system here in canada it's called the riot act
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if you want to go if you want to go look it up you can go look it up yourself
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i don't think any politician would have the guts to actually do what you have to be done
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for a protest to be illegal but that should be coming out uh soon in the inquiry that'll be
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interesting anyways we've got andrew lawson that just entered our ibm oh great so i guess we could
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yeah we could throw to a quick ad and then we'll be able to have him on as well great
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well the remains of 215 children have been found in a mass grave in canada
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many of you know that just over a year ago the discovery of the remains of 215 children
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was found at the kamloops indian residential school at the kamloopsha swamik first nation
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but what if i were to show you that what i just said wasn't true and that in fact a year later
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not a single body has been found this mass grave is a painful reminder of the genocide
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canada's leaders aren't condemning the burning of churches no they're endorsing the burning of churches
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a juvenile rib bone that surfaced in the same area
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you'd be surprised the number of people who say you know i'm a doctor i'm a paramedic
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this is definitely a human bone and it's definitely not
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mayor khan i was hoping that you would answer my question what consequences are there going to be
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for people that don't abide by the climate green transition
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mr adler you flew over 5 000 miles to be here to attend a summit that is promoting the elimination of fossil fuels
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and and the decision i made was that it was better for me to physically be here than to not be here
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they are doing like in here to to to make a statement that they care about the south
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uh governments the south countries of the global south but i don't think that that's not happening
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well would you look at that joining us now is my friend andrew lawton andrew's the senior journalist at true north
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and best-selling author of the freedom convoy andrew what a pleasure to have you on the show with us today
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um before we get into some of the nitty-gritty details of some of the crazy crazy things we saw today like those texts
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do you like slowly do you not like them i can't decide
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it's funny you mention that because i think a lot of people going into it thought that he was going to be the guy that was
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the convoy favorite as far as ottawa police chiefs go and and certainly i think there's reason to believe that because for the first
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two and a half weeks of their protest he was the guy that basically let the protest go
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but in his messaging he's had very different approaches i mean paul wells in his column last week
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said that he was very much the enforcer and i think it was that he just didn't feel he had the resources
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to do it so i i think it's a bit mixed but i also think that if you just take the convoy out of the equation
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here was a guy that was very much thrown under the bus when it became convenient to do so he
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had been the favorite on all of these woke diversity challenging systemic racism challenging
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sexual assault and systemic misogyny he said and then the second he didn't go along with what they wanted
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he was out yeah that's true he he did testify to being directly undermined and i think sabotaged
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quite frankly by his two deputies ferguson and bell bell ending up being his successor when they started
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appointing people uh to be the i guess the event commander they called it of the convoy without even
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telling him um as early as february 3rd the the like backroom shenanigans started and william brings
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it up all the time i'm i've run out of patience with slowly but he does his best to find some empathy
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for him saying like you know he was getting pressure from all angles he was getting pressure from the
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public who lived in and around the convoy i don't think the public in general to bust some heads he was
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getting pressure from public safety for a quick resolution to meet the political goals um of the
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government um being undermined by people all around him so i think he was really in a pressure cooker
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and i think he started to react probably poorly um because we saw testimony from superintendent abrams of
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the opp that he got there and they were suggesting the ops were suggesting let's do some snatching grabs
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and he said we're we're not doing any of that until we get legal advice and that was coming from chief
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slowly at the time yeah and it was interesting because i had a story that i i broke a couple of
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days ago that was an audio recording of a call between convoy organizers and one of the opp liaisons
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and it was a call that was quite exceptional because he was apologizing for what the auto police service
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had done with that fuel rate at coventry and saying you know we've just decided as opp we're bowing out
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we can't deal with them and he said they felt betrayed by ottawa police but it was interesting
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because slowly and the opp commissioner karik it seemed like we're very very tight and the issue
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that uh the former chief slowly kept raising today was brenda lucky the rcmp commissioner and and i think
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if you and i again i feel like that meme with like the guy that's like just trying to weave all of
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these strings together and the chalkboard like the conspiracy theories but i know we know that brenda
00:28:05.360
lucky has shilled for the liberals and has been uh very much an agent of the liberal government's
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agenda and in that context not even convoy related i wonder what's going to come out further in this
00:28:16.940
inquiry when you find out that it was the rcmp that seemed like the weak link uh slowly felt anyway
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as far as that unity and the lack of support for him yeah i and i wonder if brenda lucky is going to
00:28:31.140
be exposed to be playing all sides of the fence here because she's she said at least you know
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you've seen some of these phone call readouts and in internal communications where she says you know
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it's sort of the last thing um that they were even thinking of at the time was the emergencies act she
00:28:49.540
was saying you know like let's get more tow trucks we've got other tools in the toolbox i think is what
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she said and i wonder what she was taking back to cabinet from her conversations with slowly was
00:29:00.900
she saying one thing to slowly other things to cabinet and slowly again is caught flat-footed and
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just forced to react yeah and i mean there's no greater tool in the toolbox than marco mendicino
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and marco mendicino repeatedly said that like everyone in law enforcement like the janitor at
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ottawa police headquarters asked for the emergencies act everywhere they all wanted it and then all of
00:29:23.780
them came out systematically and said no we didn't and the one thing that was interesting that came up
00:29:29.320
today that i found fascinating was that bill blair told commission council it sounded like in their
00:29:36.080
interview with him that ottawa police couldn't ask for officers from the rcmp unless they had gone
00:29:43.360
through the opp first and peter slowly said you know that wasn't his attitude when he was the chief of
00:29:48.960
toronto police like i'm aware of no provisions in law that require that so it does see and then bill
00:29:54.660
blair and other comments was saying the opposite so it seems like again there was some federal
00:29:59.080
government rcmp uh overlap there that hasn't quite been fully explored and exposed in the commission
00:30:05.340
now you mentioned marco mendicino and we saw earlier state text messages that were revealed from
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someone whose works in his office and mary list power you know we saw a text message i'm sure we can put
00:30:15.760
them on the screen what did you make of that that exchange that we were able to see actually you
00:30:19.580
know what before we get before we get andrew's comments i think we have the video clip of that full
00:30:24.420
exchange between uh brendan miller miller time the lawyer and uh slowly so let's throw to that and then
00:30:32.460
we'll get andrew's very um uh poignant comments i'm sure oh she's gonna bring it up okay it'll just
00:30:41.020
take a second but on the issue of bill blair on february 8th i took a screenshot of the communications
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there he was suggesting that there were plenty of other things available to the ops and that was
00:30:52.280
just days before blair's own government went for the nuclear option of the ea i don't think i don't
00:30:57.540
think anybody knew what was happening until just maybe hours before they dropped the ea i don't think
00:31:06.440
anybody really knew what was going to happen no and i think that they saw their window was closing
00:31:12.880
and this goes back to all of the testimony we heard last week two weeks ago about the negotiations which
00:31:18.620
the commission process told us had actually was ministers were aware of it marco mendicino was
00:31:25.460
personally aware of it that this negotiation was taking place between convoy organizers in the city of
00:31:31.080
ottawa yeah and that the convoy organizers were acting in good faith and they had already moved
00:31:37.240
some 40 trucks before the ea was invoked and then when the ea was invoked the operation to move the
00:31:44.460
truck stopped instantly because all the police officers were redeployed off that mission to go
00:31:51.300
downtown and crack heads yeah so they 40 trucks so they had moved one truck for every one of marco
00:31:56.040
mendicino's iq points and marco mendicino knew about it and even knowing about it still the
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emergencies act comes down the pipeline and i'm convinced that they saw the window was closing
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and if they waited even a day longer they wouldn't have just had the justification to sell it to the
00:32:11.180
public right right and i think the tide would have even the even the people who were against the
00:32:19.200
truckers seeing them acting in good faith might have turned a few hearts against what we saw happen
00:32:26.540
next and that was the extreme police overreach um which as it turns out as we found out today was a
00:32:32.660
communication strategy from navigator who are the worst they're just the worst no i had the wrong line
00:32:39.460
of work though 185 000 to give two weeks of advice on how to tweet about the police response to the
00:32:45.500
convoy that sounds like a pretty sweet deal and they didn't even do a good job they said you know
00:32:50.160
show up in riot gear um and start using force did the audible like has anyone come out of the convoy
00:32:57.020
thinking well you know the ottawa police they really seem to know what was going on like that was
00:33:00.900
money poorly spent they won the hearts and minds of the nation by their actions here that day
00:33:07.640
yes indeed olivia did we find that clip of brenda miller please
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if not you probably i tweeted the screenshot oh there yeah we we also have the screenshots and
00:33:19.060
tweets okay i don't know if this is it that's not the video from a p.s that's peter slowly
00:33:25.540
no no no i i i sent a tweet with the screenshot just recently i love live live is great it's so
00:33:34.680
natural it's fine we're always thinking on our feet it's clip numbers it's clip number seven olivia if
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you wouldn't mind can we get to it we'll get to it moment of truth
00:33:47.180
this is it thank you and this is from about the 24th on or before the 24th of january and it says
00:33:55.760
i got a quick response people are into it let me know if your boss is too happy to help however i can
00:34:01.860
this is what i sent through though by the way hi i just had a chat with alex at ps meaning public safety
00:34:08.840
who had a bit of an interesting idea as you saw in the pod goals chat the truckers convoy and some
00:34:15.360
of their more extreme comments in brackets ie calling for a january 6th insurrection close brackets
00:34:20.540
are getting more coverage in the media alex was surveying whether there'd be interest in his boss
00:34:25.360
doing some media on this eventually he was chatting with mediciano about it right before he went into
00:34:30.980
the cabinet retreat now i can tell you the cabinet retreat was on the 24th that's how i know it was
00:34:34.680
before the 24th i think there could be an opportunity to get in on this growing narrative
00:34:40.200
of the truckers particularly with the research that lrb is doing into their backers my thoughts
00:34:46.880
of the framing here would be similar to what pm slash blair meaning the prime minister and minister
00:34:53.680
blair said last year when january 6 occurred and the first thing is our democracy is something we need
00:35:00.040
to nurture and protect every day we will always support the right to peace with protests some of
00:35:04.560
the call that organizers of these events are making are concerning and we're taking them seriously in
00:35:10.020
brackets would need something to back this up close brackets we'll continue to monitor the situation
00:35:15.680
closely the fine line to walk would be to ensure we are not looking like we're directing the police
00:35:20.720
which obviously is not the goal here hoping to canvas your thoughts alex said he'd come back to me
00:35:26.580
with a proposal this afternoon when he gets to chat with mediciano again and obviously pending his boss
00:35:32.520
and our our interest in looking into this further and if you could scroll down and alex responds thanks
00:35:39.600
i had an initial chat with my boss and he's supportive but wants to wait a day or two there's a danger
00:35:44.780
that if we come down too hard they might push out the crazies and then the response i think that's fair
00:35:51.600
apparently global and others are working on stories maybe see how those land so when i show you this
00:35:58.960
and i i after this the exact same sort of narrative came out from the federal government following these
00:36:04.600
suggestions from their staff is that misinformation i'm sorry i can't really comment there just not enough
00:36:13.460
context to know how who these people are how what they represent what information or influence they have
00:36:21.600
right see now i'm back to not liking peter slowly i mean i mean we know alex cohen is in public safety
00:36:29.660
mary liz power she's in the pmo this is them plotting to smear the convoy before it ever even got there
00:36:35.400
three full days before the first truck even lands in the city they're like yep let's paint this as insurrection
00:36:41.800
north you know this happens it's just galling to see it in text you know i'm actually on peter slowly's side
00:36:49.760
on this one because sometimes the evidence spins itself and you don't need to offer any commentary
00:36:55.540
and i feel like brendan miller just like he could have said you know read the text message and then
00:36:59.480
be like what's your favorite color he just needed to get it in the record i don't think i don't think
00:37:03.020
the answer mattered all that much but the one thing that people might not pick up on and i don't know
00:37:08.400
if you can put the screenshots up but when mary liz power references lrb that's the liberal research
00:37:15.420
bureau now this is a tax day or funded but very partisan uh office that works to support the
00:37:21.780
liberals now if this is a group of insurrectionists and white supremacists and extremists and terrorists
00:37:27.720
why is it a liberal research bureau whose job is to do memes and question period briefing that has to
00:37:34.460
run background checks on the convoy backers because it was a partisan issue it wasn't a public safety issue
00:37:41.060
yeah and i noticed here and they i think they admitted it accidentally that the truckers themselves
00:37:49.180
were engaging in a little bit of political hygiene that they said if we start pointing out some of the
00:37:55.120
crazier things the three crazy people on the convoy said the truckers will start booting them out and
00:38:01.380
that's not politically advantageous for us to do right now we need the crazy people to stay longer so
00:38:06.980
that we can use the few to taint the whole so let's just hold back on that they yeah that was
00:38:12.080
the true north headline the mendicino wanted the crazies they wanted there to be convoy crazy so
00:38:17.600
de-escalation was never the goal they wanted escalation and i think this text message exchange
00:38:22.600
is incredibly revealing that proves it yeah yeah yeah and it's funny because they were waiting on the
00:38:28.200
old telford op-eds to show up knowing full well they can count on their friends in the trudeau
00:38:34.780
colonized bailout media to do exactly what they needed them to do yeah this is such a great
00:38:39.420
headline good job that part was fat well thank you for the plug there but that part was fascinating
00:38:44.100
too is that she has foreknowledge so she's not in comms or a merrillist power she used to be in
00:38:49.620
comms but she's in issues and policy for the prime minister's office and she somehow has foreknowledge
00:38:56.300
of what global and other news outlets are working on so again i'm not like maybe it was that they had
00:39:01.800
asked the pmo for comment and word got down to her but i think that was interesting and there's
00:39:05.880
another line i can't remember the exact text but if you can put it up where she talks about the
00:39:10.480
talking points that they're going to put forward and she says you know we stand up for democracy
00:39:14.240
and then there's a line where she says some of them have said concerning things and then in brackets
00:39:19.500
i need to i need backup for this or something or there it is would need something to back this up
00:39:24.820
yeah this is i just saw ctv news do something similar first justify later yeah exactly exactly
00:39:32.840
yeah ctv news is actively engaged in this as we speak they tweeted out on twitter they're hunting for
00:39:40.220
some parent of an immunocompromised child so they can create a story around something that premier
00:39:47.060
daniel smith said and they're doing it right there they've said concerning things now we better go find
00:39:52.100
those concerning things and let's make sure we keep our eyeballs on the crazies because mendicino
00:39:56.860
needs the crazies by the way i want to ask you this andrew because i don't know maybe i'm a
00:40:01.920
conspiracy no i am a conspiracy theorist i guess sometimes do you think brendan miller is purposefully
00:40:07.940
saying marco mendicino's name wrong i thought he was screwing it up to begin with because as albertans
00:40:14.400
we can only say one form of ethnic name properly and that's ukrainian but other than that we're not good
00:40:20.800
with ethnic names is he doing it on purpose just to be irritating to everybody i think he is marco
00:40:26.760
marciano and well that i remember that was like ezra's old theory about trump's tweets is that
00:40:32.140
trump would deliberately put typos in because it made people more mad than the tweet without typos so
00:40:37.460
it could be that like we'll see in his cross-examination if he's like you know minister
00:40:42.620
maria pole uh you know marco polo like when he's cross-examining men just you know if he just like
00:40:49.040
calls him a different name because that's what it was it was a different thing every time
00:40:52.380
that's the thing it was like marciano and then it was like mendacio and yeah mendicero or something
00:41:01.320
by the end of the week yeah i think he's doing it on purpose and i think he's workshopping names
00:41:08.340
before he goes and talks about i swear to god um you know we're getting close to the top of the hour
00:41:14.260
um and it is a spooky season and so i'm gonna have little people at my door very very quickly
00:41:19.580
um andrew i want to thank you so much for taking the time to come on our show tonight i hope you'll
00:41:24.840
come on again very very soon yeah it's fun it's fun you're always welcome in the airbnb i hope the
00:41:30.740
guys are keeping it tidy in there you're gonna have mom of the company show up um andrew turn the
00:41:35.800
camera around i would never out these kind gentlemen but there wasn't even like room for me to put my
00:41:40.760
bag down on the couch but anyway guys i knew it andrew where can you tell what can you tell people
00:41:46.580
where they can get your best-selling book if they haven't already because you sold a ton of these
00:41:50.600
yes so you can get it on uh sutherland house books or on amazon or if you're going to be up at the
00:41:57.820
rebel live event in the gta in a couple of weeks i will have books for sale there and it devalues
00:42:04.340
them if i sign them but i would be happy to do it nonetheless well thank you so much i'm very much
00:42:09.360
looking forward to seeing you at rebel live in person um olivia do we have any chats or are we
00:42:15.000
clear of chats oh we've got one perfect let's see where that is do we have okay i'll just find it
00:42:23.640
nope olivia okay it's pat i can't see it i can't see it on my side if you wouldn't mind it's pat par
00:42:33.040
five bucks but i don't know what the comment is it says it says if an emergency act is found to be
00:42:38.100
unlawful what can legally charge or done i guess he means what can be legally charged or done to all
00:42:45.540
who were complicit i don't think anything it's this is an act of public accountability and i guess it's
00:42:55.240
up to the voters to hold the liberals to account at the ballot box next time around but the ndp are
00:43:03.160
saying they're not going to break ranks with the liberals no no matter what shakes out here so
00:43:07.480
even you know like they're not even going to break the coalition don't you think the ndp hedging was
00:43:13.160
interesting on that that all of a sudden because because normally they wouldn't entertain a thing
00:43:18.240
but now he's like well yeah but even if it is yeah i don't see that as as really doing anything so
00:43:23.020
it's like the ndp is seeing the writing on the wall here i think i think so too but you just you
00:43:28.320
would think that they would unhitch their horse from that cart but they they aren't i guess you
00:43:32.840
know power at all costs at the end of the day i think that's the show for tonight sorry i'll
00:43:37.780
yeah i think i think politically it will have an impact you're going to see the more centrist
00:43:42.900
liberals that vote for the liberal party start to move away from the liberal party and go towards
00:43:47.560
the conservative party i think this is going to be an impact that we're going to see happening out of
00:43:52.620
the inquiry i think the ndp's deal with the liberal might be shaking a little bit i'm not entirely sure
00:43:57.840
but we never know what jack meet saying it depends if everything that he wants to be passed actually
00:44:02.400
passes i guess we'll see but unfortunately i don't think anything legal can be done out of it
00:44:06.940
no no no nothing nope well everybody that's the show for tonight olivia thank you so much for
00:44:13.040
working so hard and uh reacting when we are doing things unscripted here andrew thanks so much we'll
00:44:18.660
have you back on again very very soon uh william great job today young man and as david menzies
00:44:24.440
always says stay sane being here today but thank you to everyone in all cities around the world who
00:44:32.820
are stepping forward to stand with the extraordinarily brave women of iran and those standing with them
00:44:38.860
thank you to the world for making sure we are all raising our voices and saying enough enough of the
00:44:46.560
brutality enough of the repression enough of the violation of fundamental human rights we know it's been