Rebel News Podcast - BREAKDOWN： Trucker Commission Day 13 ｜ Ft. Andrew Lawton

00:00:00.000 oh hey good afternoon good evening everybody and welcome to the rubble news daily live stream

00:00:22.640 wherein we used to talk about the news of the day but there is only this news of the day and it is

00:00:28.320 the public order emergency commission or what we're calling here at rebel news the trucker commission

00:00:34.400 and it is halloween and my friend william diaz and i have spent the entire day watching the absolute

00:00:40.480 horror show that is the trucker commission unfold it was former police chief steve slow or i'm sorry

00:00:50.360 peter slowly testifying today um this was cross-examination and um right off the hop

00:00:58.320 chaos backstabbing palace intrigue um and of course the sleaziness of navigator in there for good

00:01:07.060 measure and it didn't get any better as the day went on quite frankly what did you think william

00:01:11.800 well you know and i see you again sheila i think you know on a lot on our last last live stream

00:01:18.780 i try to have some empathy for peter slowly i try to defend former chief slowly and i try i try to show

00:01:25.880 how great of a person he was and honestly think i would have some trouble doing that say after hearing

00:01:31.460 his testimony after hearing him claim moral high ground after hearing him talk about

00:01:36.040 um systemic racism the police for systemic biases and everything that we heard today so

00:01:43.920 definitely interesting day as it is always during the trucker commission

00:01:47.060 i should give everybody a little bit of background so the public order emergency inquiry or commission

00:01:53.580 is a fail safe that's built into the emergencies act and for those of you who have been following along

00:01:59.140 and i don't know how you couldn't know but in february justin trudeau invoked a counterterrorism law

00:02:05.560 that's never been used before called the emergencies act to dissipate to extinguish the entirely peaceful

00:02:14.040 truckers convoy for freedom that was in our nation's capital for approaching nearly four weeks they

00:02:20.460 arrived there sort of the 27th 28th of january and justin trudeau hit the nuclear button on february 14th

00:02:28.800 and in the lead up to that there had only been five even slightly charges of violence and

00:02:37.120 and i think two of those as our friend danny balford explained i think two of those were actually

00:02:43.020 committed by ottawa residents against the convoy and actually i noticed in a csis note today it's in one

00:02:49.620 of my tweets but i know we can't bring it up so i'll just read it when we get there i noticed in a csis

00:02:55.060 note from oh i forget his name vignette anyways the head of csis in a conversation with uh peter slowly

00:03:03.820 that they were actually concerned about violence coming from the residents of ottawa and as it turns

00:03:08.820 out he was right because they were the ones who were acting up and committing violence against the

00:03:13.480 truckers by throwing eggs but if you are at home and you'd like to get involved and support the work

00:03:19.500 that we do completely willingly unlike um the bought and paid for justin trudeau colonized

00:03:25.000 mainstream media and again that's something we should bring up today because that came up in

00:03:29.680 communications between public safety and the prime minister's office that as early as oh i think it

00:03:36.100 was the 23rd of january i'll go back in my it was very early yeah the convoy wasn't even in ottawa yet

00:03:42.080 and those malicious bs peddlers were already deciding that they were going to paint the convoy

00:03:53.460 before they had even gotten to ottawa before they'd even done a thing as uh insurrection north

00:04:00.740 january 6th north and i think january 6th is highly exaggerated and they were going to like

00:04:06.560 step it up that much more and paint the convoy that hadn't even arrived in ottawa as guilty of

00:04:12.700 pre-crimes against the state and they were waiting for their friends in the mainstream media to pave the

00:04:18.640 way particularly i think it was global news that was working on a story about just how awful these

00:04:23.220 people that they'd never talked to and had never even gone to ottawa quite yet how awful they would

00:04:28.020 be because you know as conservatives we're just guilty of pre-crimes we're murderers and rapists

00:04:34.120 waiting for a place to happen if you ask the mainstream media but if you'd like to support

00:04:37.860 the work that we do and um you know in spite of the bs merchants in the mainstream media might i

00:04:44.560 suggest you leave a paid chat you can do that on rumble in the form of a rumble red or on odyssey

00:04:51.120 they're called hyper chats there um if it's over five bucks we'll do our very best to address uh your

00:04:57.240 question query comment story idea live on air i can't guarantee that we will though because it's so

00:05:02.900 busy we just sort of run out of time and i'm going to be honest with you it's halloween and i got to

00:05:07.480 be right done at five because if my little niece shows up at my door looking really cute and really 1.00

00:05:12.780 spooky and i don't get the opportunity to make her tell me at least three dad jokes before i put way

00:05:18.180 too much candy in her bag i'm going to be very upset and i'm not going to be a pleasure to work

00:05:21.780 with tomorrow so let's just get through what we can today um william and i think some frozen alberta

00:05:27.620 meat in her bag that's what she needs to eat she knows where to find steak and it's over at auntie's 1.00

00:05:33.540 house we should get to the first clip of the day and this one caught me off guard because i was like

00:05:39.500 did i hear that right because you know you're sort of listening you're not really watching you're

00:05:43.980 listening and typing live tweeting and if people want to follow my live tweets from today it's at

00:05:48.320 trucker commission.com and dot ca i believe ca i believe but um it was something else why don't we roll

00:05:55.320 clip one because i couldn't believe the language that was used here chief asked who we should have

00:06:04.040 in to be pou incident commander and i asked for dave springer at that point um mark patterson said

00:06:12.120 dave springer an inspector came into my office this morning and told me what i should be doing that he

00:06:18.680 wasn't actually there the chief responded by saying if he did that he would cut off dave springer's nuts

00:06:24.340 and call his boss and it goes on and i don't recall do you remember the rest of the uh statement you

00:06:31.520 made i don't even recall that incident sir okay so it you don't recall it or it didn't happen

00:06:37.800 i don't recall the combination of things that she's talking about here sir and you don't recall

00:06:43.080 saying that you'll cut off dave springer's nuts and use them as bookends and use them as bookends

00:06:49.520 no sir i don't recall saying that i don't think i've ever said anything

00:06:55.540 okay that was the point in the day wherein i liked peter slowly but it just diffused after that

00:07:05.680 i i liked his candid language but that is a very contentious exchange with that man who's examining

00:07:12.680 him as the lawyer for the ottawa police service and chief slowly is no longer with the ottawa police

00:07:18.380 service i guess he insists that nobody even call him chief slowly anymore or former chief slowly just

00:07:23.420 mr slowly he keeps correcting the lawyers but i believe i believe there is a lawsuit percolating

00:07:31.340 i don't know if it's been filed yet or it's being drafted maybe we'll see it shake out after all of

00:07:36.600 this but i think there's probably a lawsuit uh between slowly and at least the ottawa police service

00:07:44.600 quite possibly the city of ottawa uh stemming from his unceremonious departure where i think the

00:07:51.320 relationship between him and the police force became very untenable actually there was quite a few

00:07:57.440 things where um slowly remarked that his deputies were undermining him and just going rogue sabotaging

00:08:06.440 him and interestingly enough one of his deputies steve bell that replaced him as interim police chief

00:08:12.640 um he said that he had difficulty getting hendon reports from his own staff those are the intel reports

00:08:19.560 from the opp as the convoy approached um he's but then the lawyer said but you were cc'd on all of these so i don't know

00:08:28.800 if he wasn't just reading his own emails but he testified that he had trust issues with his own deputies

00:08:34.480 bell and ferguson after they suddenly without asking anybody made superintendent jamie dunlop the event commander

00:08:44.080 of the convoy without anybody's knowledge and this was particularly concerning because superintendent dunlop

00:08:52.320 was the event commander just months earlier wherein a car was flipped over and a small scale riot broke out

00:08:59.840 after the annual university of ottawa panda game and he was actually still part of an ongoing investigation

00:09:06.500 into the policing tactics that night i think they had eight people charged with mischief that night

00:09:12.000 and somebody was actually charged with riot which is one more person than was ever charged in the

00:09:17.380 convoy and a car was flipped over and i'm pretty sure the car was never flipped over in the convoy so

00:09:22.620 they actually had a riot of university students this guy oversaw it they think that some of the police

00:09:27.960 actions sort of inflamed the situation there and chief solely's two deputies said you know who you know

00:09:34.120 who should be in charge that guy plus we're not going to tell uh the police chief that we've made him

00:09:39.320 so they were sort of already cutting him out of everything sounds like as early as february 3rd

00:09:46.500 yeah well i mean you know i i went to university of ottawa before working with the rebel news

00:09:55.440 and i can tell you yeah the the celebration after the panda game was not was not was not small there were

00:10:01.720 a lot of students out in the street and the police definitely did not have a handle on the situation

00:10:07.860 i don't know how they couldn't might have just been competence here lack of organization but if that

00:10:13.000 was the man who was placed to be the event commander for a convoy that same person who handled the panda

00:10:19.960 game i really have some trouble trusting his abilities to be an event commander um but no i totally agree

00:10:26.600 with you i'm sure the ops has something prepared for slowly you could see the line of questioning was

00:10:31.640 probably one of the most tense line of questionings that i've seen since the beginning of the inquiry

00:10:36.600 even when brendan miller was with zay zilly or mckinney or jim watson it was not as tense as it was today

00:10:44.060 so it was very interesting to see that yeah and brendan miller he i don't think he ever gets uh tense he

00:10:50.500 just uh he just asks questions that people don't like yeah um there was also i mentioned navigator

00:10:58.840 those grease balls over at navigator um they were hired by ottawa police service so i'll go back a

00:11:06.040 step if you are in trouble as a politician or a bureaucrat like a ops here having public relations

00:11:12.940 issues and you've done something wrong you hire navigator um they were hired by ops in consultation

00:11:20.200 with the ops board to give advice to ops and the board their february 2nd meeting notes with the chief

00:11:26.320 of police and navigator and they were sort of scheming about how would how do we save face with

00:11:32.620 the public not how do we reach a peaceful resolution to what's happening here but how do we save our

00:11:37.820 public reputations and they said what do we need to do more of tickets arrest use of force that was one

00:11:44.140 of the suggestions use of force then what do we go to politicians do we go to big lockdowns like all

00:11:50.820 this stuff was on the table as early as i'm sorry february 2nd so we're into the like the very first

00:11:58.360 week and in those meetings they said we're going to go out and lay charges they wanted the prime minister

00:12:05.600 to get involved does he have incentive to get involved they asked then they said this is my

00:12:11.360 favorite the truckers know the rights and they're not afraid so you could have went in there and used

00:12:15.260 force and the truckers were going to be peaceful and use their rights and they said who can we bring in

00:12:20.500 as a politician to save face and then lastly the heavy police presence those guys in riot gear

00:12:26.920 they didn't need to be the guys without any uh identification on them the guys that look like

00:12:31.880 they were going to break up a panda game celebration uh that was a communication strategy it wasn't

00:12:38.400 necessary it was all political theater and it came from navigator to make it seem like the police were

00:12:43.520 doing something they said we're going to show up in riot gear we're going to use floodlights at night

00:12:47.640 and we're going to use repeated police stops because it was theater to make it seem to the public

00:12:53.560 and particularly the worry warts who lived downtown that they were doing something so they were

00:12:58.420 make-believing authoritarian thugs um this here this stuff the riot horses this is all a strategic

00:13:06.620 communications campaign from those uh crisis actors over at navigator

00:13:12.980 yeah it definitely did have an impact on the on the morale of the protesters though i think when

00:13:18.780 they saw these measures being used it had an impact on their morale as people that are peacefully

00:13:25.820 protesting in ottawa and seeing it this is their tactics that are being used against them that's a

00:13:30.560 tactic that you're deciding to use against peaceful protesters that are protesting vaccine mandates

00:13:34.980 yeah and and navigator thought this was something that would help them save face with the public when

00:13:41.960 actually i think it really turned a lot of people who were like maybe these truckers should just go

00:13:45.880 home that those images there turned people against the ottawa police it turned people like me who are

00:13:52.800 like yep thin blue line i'm pro police don't defund the police and i see this and i'm like i think

00:13:57.700 maybe their budgets are a little too high in ottawa if they could do that to grandmas who just want to 0.95

00:14:03.320 be able to visit their grandkids and watch them play hockey without getting a jab yeah yeah and you saw

00:14:09.700 also in some of the analysis of the social media accounts another thing i'm not exactly sure what

00:14:14.960 term they use but i know that they hired a company or maybe they had a company already in place to

00:14:19.960 analyze how the response to the convoy will affect the view that citizens of ottawa had on the police

00:14:26.080 and it showed that the people that are living outside of the downtown area would see the response of

00:14:30.980 the police as being too harsh and would lower the support that they have for the police and contrary to

00:14:35.740 people that are downtown that are usually very governments that are usually very liberal because

00:14:40.680 they work for the government the people that are that are living downtown in the vast majority work

00:14:45.860 for the government whereas people that are living a little bit further away don't work for the

00:14:50.260 government so i think they had a different vision of of the police because of it look at this we're

00:14:55.340 watching the navigator strategic communication strategy unfold right in front of us on the screen good

00:15:01.120 job navigator i think they got paid close to two hundred thousand dollars for the absolutely awful

00:15:06.160 advice they gave slowly and the city of um ottawa just grotesque let's go to clip two um because uh i could

00:15:15.660 talk about how bad navigator is all day and i i grew to like or dislike them during the times of

00:15:21.660 allison redford sky palace construction they brought in navigator to help her out when 0.87

00:15:26.340 everybody conservatives liberals and everybody was turning on um allison redford and they brought

00:15:33.280 in navigator to help and it definitely didn't help they never help uh let's go to clip two uh former

00:15:40.240 uh ottawa police chief slowly was asking an internal crisis management team what the next steps would be

00:15:47.260 to contain the convoy and their response was um well political uh keep scrolling please

00:15:56.340 p.s that's peter slowly you ask them the question so you've just had the pou meeting the previous

00:16:04.460 day what do we need to do more more arrests tickets use of force then what go to the politicians

00:16:13.740 go into big lockdown mode massive show of police presence and then hold hands and come together

00:16:20.240 or two bigger lockdown of city for weekend and then you'll see aaron at the bottom aaron is from

00:16:30.480 navigator or asi yes sir um job is to keep the peace and keep people protected when you take a hard line

00:16:41.080 citizens of ottawa want this but not everyone need to acknowledge not everyone uh represents or resonates

00:16:52.160 as fringe group this is a national problem and prime minister needs to get us out of it

00:16:58.960 well i mean they were there to protest trudeau i don't disagree with everything he's saying here

00:17:07.560 i think that it was indeed a policing not a policing sorry political issue was not a policing issue

00:17:12.060 which is the reason why they should have negotiated with the federal government the federal government

00:17:15.680 should have accepted to get those people and to negotiate with those people because that's your

00:17:21.480 role as a politician you're supposed to talk to your constituents and when you're a prime minister

00:17:25.300 you don't only represent the liberal party voters you don't represent the liberal party donors

00:17:29.360 you represent all canadians when you go abroad you you don't say my name is justin true i'm for the

00:17:34.880 liberal party of canada you say my name is justin true i'm the prime minister of canada and they

00:17:38.740 should have negotiated and if the levels of government had decided to negotiate with the

00:17:43.920 processor and to actually speak with them and hear their concerns i don't think we would have been

00:17:48.000 we would be in the same situation that we are in right now it's true um we also i'm just trying to

00:17:53.900 cruise through some of these clips because we've got so many and they're crazy and i really want to

00:17:58.800 get to that uh text message exchange between the two political operatives because it's just revolting

00:18:05.660 and it's you know they do stuff like this like you know they do but to see it in a text message

00:18:11.840 it's really an extra level of gall but before we get to that we heard last week

00:18:17.200 steve bell used the word assaultive to mean anything but assault but like people who are 1.00

00:18:25.080 experiencing discomfort and uh angst and anxiety and maybe inconvenience and possibly a traffic snarl

00:18:34.640 like there's a lot of people who are being inconvenienced and they're using inconvenience

00:18:42.000 interchangeably with the word assaultive which i think isn't even a real word assault is a thing

00:18:46.880 assaultive i'm not so sure and we saw steve bell say yes it was assaultive and then when pressed on

00:18:53.400 that but no actual assault just like it's only inconvenience yeah no no report of assault that

00:18:59.840 actually did happen i think i think a lot of people are confusing assault with inconvenience

00:19:04.540 or violence with with you know me the disagreement i think that's an issue people in ottawa have

00:19:11.100 yeah it's very strange it's someone who doesn't share your exact viewpoint on everything

00:19:16.520 assaultive um slowly tried that um apparently not doing his homework about how poorly it went over

00:19:23.140 for steve bell with the public perhaps he should have asked navigator what the public thought about

00:19:27.780 it um but um or maybe he did and that's why they gave him such bad advice um but um he tried it and he

00:19:35.640 was sort of had to backtrack when he was pushed on it if we could show clip four and so there was never

00:19:43.320 a declaration of course as a riot and there was no formal declaration that there was an unlawful

00:19:48.940 assembly and therefore the protesters who were there who were who were sitting there no one in

00:19:57.100 authority it's fair to say told them that they were doing anything illegal is that fair

00:20:01.060 again i i will cede to the legal definition of it but i i couldn't agree that that would be the case

00:20:10.960 given the massive amount of social media mainstream media coverage of what was happening

00:20:15.700 in our city here and across the country i think it'd be very hard to to believe that any individual

00:20:22.600 could not understand that there was a level of unlawfulness and public danger and risk heightened risk

00:20:29.940 um at any point from january 29th onwards

00:20:33.360 i think that was the wrong clip i think we wanted to show the clip before i think that was clip five but

00:20:39.420 that's still a great clip because there was no riot there was no there was no declaration of a riot

00:20:45.240 so if they declare what you're doing is a riot rightly or wrongly

00:20:49.360 if if you stay there now you're participating in a riot

00:20:52.780 nobody told them what they were doing was illegal

00:20:55.560 it wasn't declared illegal

00:20:57.800 and he said that there was a level of unlawfulness

00:21:02.080 okay well what was that level of unlawfulness because we only saw

00:21:06.340 five serious criminal charges

00:21:09.200 for loosely violent things

00:21:11.440 and so

00:21:12.420 it couldn't have been that unlawful

00:21:14.920 and he was also pressed on

00:21:16.620 um well you know if it was unlawful

00:21:19.120 why don't we see more arrests nobody was telling you you couldn't enforce the criminal code

00:21:23.360 why did if you saw violence it behooves you to defend the community

00:21:28.620 and they weren't laying charges because it wasn't unlawful

00:21:33.640 it wasn't lawless

00:21:34.920 not and as someone pointed out not even a window broke

00:21:37.800 no 100% and you know i've been spending a little bit of time with tamerilisha's lawyers recently

00:21:43.840 and i know what exactly has to be done what exactly has to be said for a protest

00:21:49.880 to be deemed a riot according to our legal system here in canada it's called the riot act

00:21:55.880 if you want to go if you want to go look it up you can go look it up yourself

00:22:00.740 i don't think any politician would have the guts to actually do what you have to be done

00:22:05.160 for a protest to be illegal but that should be coming out uh soon in the inquiry that'll be

00:22:10.420 interesting anyways we've got andrew lawson that just entered our ibm oh great so i guess we could

00:22:14.940 yeah we could throw to a quick ad and then we'll be able to have him on as well great

00:22:19.040 well the remains of 215 children have been found in a mass grave in canada

00:22:26.460 many of you know that just over a year ago the discovery of the remains of 215 children

00:22:32.820 was found at the kamloops indian residential school at the kamloopsha swamik first nation

00:22:37.980 but what if i were to show you that what i just said wasn't true and that in fact a year later

00:22:45.540 not a single body has been found this mass grave is a painful reminder of the genocide

00:22:54.560 canada's leaders aren't condemning the burning of churches no they're endorsing the burning of churches

00:23:00.040 a juvenile rib bone that surfaced in the same area

00:23:02.860 you'd be surprised the number of people who say you know i'm a doctor i'm a paramedic

00:23:07.800 this is definitely a human bone and it's definitely not

00:23:11.200 it's like the chief

00:23:12.620 it is

00:23:13.980 we must redouble our effort

00:23:22.780 mayor khan i was hoping that you would answer my question what consequences are there going to be

00:23:27.240 for people that don't abide by the climate green transition

00:23:31.060 it's not an interview

00:23:32.900 what are the consequences going to be

00:23:34.200 mr adler you flew over 5 000 miles to be here to attend a summit that is promoting the elimination of fossil fuels

00:23:43.960 isn't that hypocritical

00:23:45.480 and and the decision i made was that it was better for me to physically be here than to not be here

00:23:52.920 they are doing like in here to to to make a statement that they care about the south

00:24:02.520 uh governments the south countries of the global south but i don't think that that's not happening

00:24:16.920 well would you look at that joining us now is my friend andrew lawton andrew's the senior journalist at true north

00:24:34.960 and best-selling author of the freedom convoy andrew what a pleasure to have you on the show with us today

00:24:41.620 um before we get into some of the nitty-gritty details of some of the crazy crazy things we saw today like those texts

00:24:48.580 um between uh senior government bureaucrats

00:24:52.120 what was your big takeaway from today

00:24:54.420 do you like slowly do you not like them i can't decide

00:24:57.700 it's funny you mention that because i think a lot of people going into it thought that he was going to be the guy that was

00:25:04.800 the convoy favorite as far as ottawa police chiefs go and and certainly i think there's reason to believe that because for the first

00:25:11.480 two and a half weeks of their protest he was the guy that basically let the protest go

00:25:16.920 but in his messaging he's had very different approaches i mean paul wells in his column last week

00:25:23.420 said that he was very much the enforcer and i think it was that he just didn't feel he had the resources

00:25:29.080 to do it so i i think it's a bit mixed but i also think that if you just take the convoy out of the equation

00:25:35.120 here was a guy that was very much thrown under the bus when it became convenient to do so he

00:25:41.160 had been the favorite on all of these woke diversity challenging systemic racism challenging

00:25:46.360 sexual assault and systemic misogyny he said and then the second he didn't go along with what they wanted

00:25:52.220 he was out yeah that's true he he did testify to being directly undermined and i think sabotaged

00:26:00.640 quite frankly by his two deputies ferguson and bell bell ending up being his successor when they started

00:26:07.320 appointing people uh to be the i guess the event commander they called it of the convoy without even

00:26:15.420 telling him um as early as february 3rd the the like backroom shenanigans started and william brings

00:26:24.840 it up all the time i'm i've run out of patience with slowly but he does his best to find some empathy

00:26:29.580 for him saying like you know he was getting pressure from all angles he was getting pressure from the

00:26:34.360 public who lived in and around the convoy i don't think the public in general to bust some heads he was

00:26:40.820 getting pressure from public safety for a quick resolution to meet the political goals um of the

00:26:47.720 government um being undermined by people all around him so i think he was really in a pressure cooker

00:26:53.620 and i think he started to react probably poorly um because we saw testimony from superintendent abrams of

00:27:00.820 the opp that he got there and they were suggesting the ops were suggesting let's do some snatching grabs

00:27:08.520 and he said we're we're not doing any of that until we get legal advice and that was coming from chief

00:27:13.320 slowly at the time yeah and it was interesting because i had a story that i i broke a couple of

00:27:19.140 days ago that was an audio recording of a call between convoy organizers and one of the opp liaisons

00:27:26.800 and it was a call that was quite exceptional because he was apologizing for what the auto police service

00:27:32.580 had done with that fuel rate at coventry and saying you know we've just decided as opp we're bowing out

00:27:38.500 we can't deal with them and he said they felt betrayed by ottawa police but it was interesting

00:27:43.020 because slowly and the opp commissioner karik it seemed like we're very very tight and the issue

00:27:49.460 that uh the former chief slowly kept raising today was brenda lucky the rcmp commissioner and and i think

00:27:55.800 if you and i again i feel like that meme with like the guy that's like just trying to weave all of

00:28:00.580 these strings together and the chalkboard like the conspiracy theories but i know we know that brenda 0.62

00:28:05.360 lucky has shilled for the liberals and has been uh very much an agent of the liberal government's

00:28:11.420 agenda and in that context not even convoy related i wonder what's going to come out further in this

00:28:16.940 inquiry when you find out that it was the rcmp that seemed like the weak link uh slowly felt anyway

00:28:23.620 as far as that unity and the lack of support for him yeah i and i wonder if brenda lucky is going to 0.64

00:28:31.140 be exposed to be playing all sides of the fence here because she's she said at least you know

00:28:37.060 you've seen some of these phone call readouts and in internal communications where she says you know

00:28:43.080 it's sort of the last thing um that they were even thinking of at the time was the emergencies act she

00:28:49.540 was saying you know like let's get more tow trucks we've got other tools in the toolbox i think is what

00:28:53.720 she said and i wonder what she was taking back to cabinet from her conversations with slowly was

00:29:00.900 she saying one thing to slowly other things to cabinet and slowly again is caught flat-footed and 0.96

00:29:06.760 just forced to react yeah and i mean there's no greater tool in the toolbox than marco mendicino

00:29:13.420 and marco mendicino repeatedly said that like everyone in law enforcement like the janitor at

00:29:19.500 ottawa police headquarters asked for the emergencies act everywhere they all wanted it and then all of

00:29:23.780 them came out systematically and said no we didn't and the one thing that was interesting that came up

00:29:29.320 today that i found fascinating was that bill blair told commission council it sounded like in their

00:29:36.080 interview with him that ottawa police couldn't ask for officers from the rcmp unless they had gone

00:29:43.360 through the opp first and peter slowly said you know that wasn't his attitude when he was the chief of

00:29:48.960 toronto police like i'm aware of no provisions in law that require that so it does see and then bill

00:29:54.660 blair and other comments was saying the opposite so it seems like again there was some federal

00:29:59.080 government rcmp uh overlap there that hasn't quite been fully explored and exposed in the commission

00:30:05.340 now you mentioned marco mendicino and we saw earlier state text messages that were revealed from

00:30:10.120 someone whose works in his office and mary list power you know we saw a text message i'm sure we can put

00:30:15.760 them on the screen what did you make of that that exchange that we were able to see actually you

00:30:19.580 know what before we get before we get andrew's comments i think we have the video clip of that full

00:30:24.420 exchange between uh brendan miller miller time the lawyer and uh slowly so let's throw to that and then

00:30:32.460 we'll get andrew's very um uh poignant comments i'm sure oh she's gonna bring it up okay it'll just

00:30:41.020 take a second but on the issue of bill blair on february 8th i took a screenshot of the communications

00:30:46.820 there he was suggesting that there were plenty of other things available to the ops and that was

00:30:52.280 just days before blair's own government went for the nuclear option of the ea i don't think i don't

00:30:57.540 think anybody knew what was happening until just maybe hours before they dropped the ea i don't think

00:31:06.440 anybody really knew what was going to happen no and i think that they saw their window was closing

00:31:12.880 and this goes back to all of the testimony we heard last week two weeks ago about the negotiations which

00:31:18.620 the commission process told us had actually was ministers were aware of it marco mendicino was

00:31:25.460 personally aware of it that this negotiation was taking place between convoy organizers in the city of

00:31:31.080 ottawa yeah and that the convoy organizers were acting in good faith and they had already moved

00:31:37.240 some 40 trucks before the ea was invoked and then when the ea was invoked the operation to move the

00:31:44.460 truck stopped instantly because all the police officers were redeployed off that mission to go

00:31:51.300 downtown and crack heads yeah so they 40 trucks so they had moved one truck for every one of marco

00:31:56.040 mendicino's iq points and marco mendicino knew about it and even knowing about it still the

00:32:02.080 emergencies act comes down the pipeline and i'm convinced that they saw the window was closing

00:32:06.300 and if they waited even a day longer they wouldn't have just had the justification to sell it to the

00:32:11.180 public right right and i think the tide would have even the even the people who were against the

00:32:19.200 truckers seeing them acting in good faith might have turned a few hearts against what we saw happen

00:32:26.540 next and that was the extreme police overreach um which as it turns out as we found out today was a

00:32:32.660 communication strategy from navigator who are the worst they're just the worst no i had the wrong line

00:32:39.460 of work though 185 000 to give two weeks of advice on how to tweet about the police response to the

00:32:45.500 convoy that sounds like a pretty sweet deal and they didn't even do a good job they said you know

00:32:50.160 show up in riot gear um and start using force did the audible like has anyone come out of the convoy

00:32:57.020 thinking well you know the ottawa police they really seem to know what was going on like that was

00:33:00.900 money poorly spent they won the hearts and minds of the nation by their actions here that day

00:33:07.640 yes indeed olivia did we find that clip of brenda miller please

00:33:10.840 if not you probably i tweeted the screenshot oh there yeah we we also have the screenshots and

00:33:19.060 tweets okay i don't know if this is it that's not the video from a p.s that's peter slowly

00:33:25.540 no no no i i i sent a tweet with the screenshot just recently i love live live is great it's so

00:33:34.680 natural it's fine we're always thinking on our feet it's clip numbers it's clip number seven olivia if

00:33:39.500 you wouldn't mind can we get to it we'll get to it moment of truth

00:33:47.180 this is it thank you and this is from about the 24th on or before the 24th of january and it says

00:33:55.760 i got a quick response people are into it let me know if your boss is too happy to help however i can

00:34:01.860 this is what i sent through though by the way hi i just had a chat with alex at ps meaning public safety

00:34:08.840 who had a bit of an interesting idea as you saw in the pod goals chat the truckers convoy and some

00:34:15.360 of their more extreme comments in brackets ie calling for a january 6th insurrection close brackets

00:34:20.540 are getting more coverage in the media alex was surveying whether there'd be interest in his boss

00:34:25.360 doing some media on this eventually he was chatting with mediciano about it right before he went into

00:34:30.980 the cabinet retreat now i can tell you the cabinet retreat was on the 24th that's how i know it was

00:34:34.680 before the 24th i think there could be an opportunity to get in on this growing narrative

00:34:40.200 of the truckers particularly with the research that lrb is doing into their backers my thoughts

00:34:46.880 of the framing here would be similar to what pm slash blair meaning the prime minister and minister

00:34:53.680 blair said last year when january 6 occurred and the first thing is our democracy is something we need

00:35:00.040 to nurture and protect every day we will always support the right to peace with protests some of

00:35:04.560 the call that organizers of these events are making are concerning and we're taking them seriously in

00:35:10.020 brackets would need something to back this up close brackets we'll continue to monitor the situation

00:35:15.680 closely the fine line to walk would be to ensure we are not looking like we're directing the police

00:35:20.720 which obviously is not the goal here hoping to canvas your thoughts alex said he'd come back to me

00:35:26.580 with a proposal this afternoon when he gets to chat with mediciano again and obviously pending his boss

00:35:32.520 and our our interest in looking into this further and if you could scroll down and alex responds thanks

00:35:39.600 i had an initial chat with my boss and he's supportive but wants to wait a day or two there's a danger

00:35:44.780 that if we come down too hard they might push out the crazies and then the response i think that's fair

00:35:51.600 apparently global and others are working on stories maybe see how those land so when i show you this

00:35:58.960 and i i after this the exact same sort of narrative came out from the federal government following these

00:36:04.600 suggestions from their staff is that misinformation i'm sorry i can't really comment there just not enough

00:36:13.460 context to know how who these people are how what they represent what information or influence they have

00:36:21.600 right see now i'm back to not liking peter slowly i mean i mean we know alex cohen is in public safety

00:36:29.660 mary liz power she's in the pmo this is them plotting to smear the convoy before it ever even got there

00:36:35.400 three full days before the first truck even lands in the city they're like yep let's paint this as insurrection

00:36:41.800 north you know this happens it's just galling to see it in text you know i'm actually on peter slowly's side

00:36:49.760 on this one because sometimes the evidence spins itself and you don't need to offer any commentary

00:36:55.540 and i feel like brendan miller just like he could have said you know read the text message and then

00:36:59.480 be like what's your favorite color he just needed to get it in the record i don't think i don't think

00:37:03.020 the answer mattered all that much but the one thing that people might not pick up on and i don't know

00:37:08.400 if you can put the screenshots up but when mary liz power references lrb that's the liberal research

00:37:15.420 bureau now this is a tax day or funded but very partisan uh office that works to support the

00:37:21.780 liberals now if this is a group of insurrectionists and white supremacists and extremists and terrorists

00:37:27.720 why is it a liberal research bureau whose job is to do memes and question period briefing that has to

00:37:34.460 run background checks on the convoy backers because it was a partisan issue it wasn't a public safety issue

00:37:41.060 yeah and i noticed here and they i think they admitted it accidentally that the truckers themselves

00:37:49.180 were engaging in a little bit of political hygiene that they said if we start pointing out some of the

00:37:55.120 crazier things the three crazy people on the convoy said the truckers will start booting them out and

00:38:01.380 that's not politically advantageous for us to do right now we need the crazy people to stay longer so

00:38:06.980 that we can use the few to taint the whole so let's just hold back on that they yeah that was

00:38:12.080 the true north headline the mendicino wanted the crazies they wanted there to be convoy crazy so

00:38:17.600 de-escalation was never the goal they wanted escalation and i think this text message exchange

00:38:22.600 is incredibly revealing that proves it yeah yeah yeah and it's funny because they were waiting on the

00:38:28.200 old telford op-eds to show up knowing full well they can count on their friends in the trudeau

00:38:34.780 colonized bailout media to do exactly what they needed them to do yeah this is such a great

00:38:39.420 headline good job that part was fat well thank you for the plug there but that part was fascinating

00:38:44.100 too is that she has foreknowledge so she's not in comms or a merrillist power she used to be in 0.99

00:38:49.620 comms but she's in issues and policy for the prime minister's office and she somehow has foreknowledge

00:38:56.300 of what global and other news outlets are working on so again i'm not like maybe it was that they had

00:39:01.800 asked the pmo for comment and word got down to her but i think that was interesting and there's

00:39:05.880 another line i can't remember the exact text but if you can put it up where she talks about the

00:39:10.480 talking points that they're going to put forward and she says you know we stand up for democracy

00:39:14.240 and then there's a line where she says some of them have said concerning things and then in brackets

00:39:19.500 i need to i need backup for this or something or there it is would need something to back this up

00:39:24.820 yeah this is i just saw ctv news do something similar first justify later yeah exactly exactly

00:39:32.840 yeah ctv news is actively engaged in this as we speak they tweeted out on twitter they're hunting for

00:39:40.220 some parent of an immunocompromised child so they can create a story around something that premier

00:39:47.060 daniel smith said and they're doing it right there they've said concerning things now we better go find

00:39:52.100 those concerning things and let's make sure we keep our eyeballs on the crazies because mendicino 0.96

00:39:56.860 needs the crazies by the way i want to ask you this andrew because i don't know maybe i'm a

00:40:01.920 conspiracy no i am a conspiracy theorist i guess sometimes do you think brendan miller is purposefully

00:40:07.940 saying marco mendicino's name wrong i thought he was screwing it up to begin with because as albertans

00:40:14.400 we can only say one form of ethnic name properly and that's ukrainian but other than that we're not good

00:40:20.800 with ethnic names is he doing it on purpose just to be irritating to everybody i think he is marco

00:40:26.760 marciano and well that i remember that was like ezra's old theory about trump's tweets is that

00:40:32.140 trump would deliberately put typos in because it made people more mad than the tweet without typos so

00:40:37.460 it could be that like we'll see in his cross-examination if he's like you know minister

00:40:42.620 maria pole uh you know marco polo like when he's cross-examining men just you know if he just like

00:40:49.040 calls him a different name because that's what it was it was a different thing every time

00:40:52.380 that's the thing it was like marciano and then it was like mendacio and yeah mendicero or something

00:41:01.320 by the end of the week yeah i think he's doing it on purpose and i think he's workshopping names

00:41:08.340 before he goes and talks about i swear to god um you know we're getting close to the top of the hour

00:41:14.260 um and it is a spooky season and so i'm gonna have little people at my door very very quickly

00:41:19.580 um andrew i want to thank you so much for taking the time to come on our show tonight i hope you'll

00:41:24.840 come on again very very soon yeah it's fun it's fun you're always welcome in the airbnb i hope the

00:41:30.740 guys are keeping it tidy in there you're gonna have mom of the company show up um andrew turn the

00:41:35.800 camera around i would never out these kind gentlemen but there wasn't even like room for me to put my

00:41:40.760 bag down on the couch but anyway guys i knew it andrew where can you tell what can you tell people

00:41:46.580 where they can get your best-selling book if they haven't already because you sold a ton of these

00:41:50.600 yes so you can get it on uh sutherland house books or on amazon or if you're going to be up at the

00:41:57.820 rebel live event in the gta in a couple of weeks i will have books for sale there and it devalues

00:42:04.340 them if i sign them but i would be happy to do it nonetheless well thank you so much i'm very much

00:42:09.360 looking forward to seeing you at rebel live in person um olivia do we have any chats or are we

00:42:15.000 clear of chats oh we've got one perfect let's see where that is do we have okay i'll just find it

00:42:23.640 nope olivia okay it's pat i can't see it i can't see it on my side if you wouldn't mind it's pat par

00:42:33.040 five bucks but i don't know what the comment is it says it says if an emergency act is found to be

00:42:38.100 unlawful what can legally charge or done i guess he means what can be legally charged or done to all

00:42:45.540 who were complicit i don't think anything it's this is an act of public accountability and i guess it's

00:42:55.240 up to the voters to hold the liberals to account at the ballot box next time around but the ndp are 0.65

00:43:03.160 saying they're not going to break ranks with the liberals no no matter what shakes out here so

00:43:07.480 even you know like they're not even going to break the coalition don't you think the ndp hedging was

00:43:13.160 interesting on that that all of a sudden because because normally they wouldn't entertain a thing

00:43:18.240 but now he's like well yeah but even if it is yeah i don't see that as as really doing anything so

00:43:23.020 it's like the ndp is seeing the writing on the wall here i think i think so too but you just you

00:43:28.320 would think that they would unhitch their horse from that cart but they they aren't i guess you

00:43:32.840 know power at all costs at the end of the day i think that's the show for tonight sorry i'll

00:43:37.780 yeah i think i think politically it will have an impact you're going to see the more centrist

00:43:42.900 liberals that vote for the liberal party start to move away from the liberal party and go towards

00:43:47.560 the conservative party i think this is going to be an impact that we're going to see happening out of

00:43:52.620 the inquiry i think the ndp's deal with the liberal might be shaking a little bit i'm not entirely sure

00:43:57.840 but we never know what jack meet saying it depends if everything that he wants to be passed actually

00:44:02.400 passes i guess we'll see but unfortunately i don't think anything legal can be done out of it

00:44:06.940 no no no nothing nope well everybody that's the show for tonight olivia thank you so much for

00:44:13.040 working so hard and uh reacting when we are doing things unscripted here andrew thanks so much we'll

00:44:18.660 have you back on again very very soon uh william great job today young man and as david menzies

00:44:24.440 always says stay sane being here today but thank you to everyone in all cities around the world who

00:44:32.820 are stepping forward to stand with the extraordinarily brave women of iran and those standing with them

00:44:38.860 thank you to the world for making sure we are all raising our voices and saying enough enough of the

00:44:46.560 brutality enough of the repression enough of the violation of fundamental human rights we know it's been

00:44:53.820 enough

Rebel News Podcast - October 31, 2022

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