Rebel News Podcast - BREAKDOWN： Trucker Commission Day 17 — Tamara Lich testimony concludes ｜ Ft. Tom Marazzo

00:00:00.000 hello everyone good evening good afternoon this is friday it's been such a long week i'm here

00:00:12.560 with celine gallup celine how are you doing i'm doing fantastic today was uh very very fun to

00:00:18.220 cover what did you think about it was a long day it was certainly a long day before we get started

00:00:22.660 talking about everything that went on today i also have another guest here tom morazzo

00:00:27.600 freedom convoy i don't know how to call him anymore he testified in the role that he's not an organizer

00:00:32.520 he's not he's not the leader i'd say keeper key person key figure yeah i just prefer volunteer

00:00:39.000 it's just it's a you know in truth all of us were volunteers everybody was volunteer so to to try to

00:00:47.200 create these labels what's the point every canadian that went there voluntarily went to ottawa for the

00:00:52.680 convoy no you're definitely right so i guess tom morazzo he he figured film convoy and yeah so

00:00:59.580 how are you doing tom today i'm good uh it's been a crazy it's just been a really bizarre week

00:01:07.160 and this afternoon was uh the the the icing on the cake yeah yeah so just just before we we fully

00:01:17.140 started we've got a couple of things to to get to uh rebel news live so rebel news is finally doing

00:01:22.440 their live events once again after years of not doing them uh we will have an event in toronto

00:01:29.160 on saturday november 19th um and one in calgary on november 25th as well so that'll be definitely

00:01:37.500 interesting you'll be able to meet your other rebel news reporters as relevant is going to be here

00:01:42.240 sheila gunry is going to be here and even toronto i know that tamara leash is going to be there 0.75

00:01:47.160 as well tom morazzo will not be done unfortunately from what i understand because of tamara leash is 0.94

00:01:51.880 great amazing bell conditions i don't allow her to basically have basic freedom of speech so but 1.00

00:01:58.100 you'll be able to hear from from tamara leash yourself the tickets can be found at rebelnewslive.com

00:02:03.880 that's number one number two um tom morazzo has a book so i don't know if tom you want to talk

00:02:09.760 about your book a little bit yeah we can talk about it i'm still writing the book um i i've

00:02:16.400 i've taken a little bit of a break from writing the book just because of my participation in the in

00:02:21.440 the inquiry but i think the uh the witness list is going to allow me a little bit of a breathing room

00:02:27.340 next week to to get back and and do some more writing and uh yeah so i i'm looking forward to

00:02:34.320 getting back to writing the book and and for quite a while i actually i actually consider getting a

00:02:41.240 ghostwriter because i was concerned about the time but i i just felt like i i had to do it myself like

00:02:48.560 i really had to write this in my own words um and for quite a while i actually struggled with

00:02:54.040 even writing the book i i wasn't sure that it was just my story to tell and i had some conversations

00:03:01.860 and uh with some of the other volunteers of the convoy uh and i kind of felt like i was

00:03:08.420 in a sense given i don't want to say the word permission but uh uh agreement that it was

00:03:17.620 appropriate that i write my version of the book right so what's what's the book about basically

00:03:21.860 the book is about your your i've got a dream convoy yeah i basically my my experience so i've got a

00:03:27.960 couple of rules that i'm guiding myself when i write this book and one is uh if for the most part

00:03:33.860 the rule is i got to treat it like a gopro so if i if the gopro doesn't see what happened it's not

00:03:39.860 going to be in the book um and then the last few weeks i think that's wise yeah yeah and then i think

00:03:45.560 the other thing is um the book is not about uh criticizing anybody um if anything the only people

00:03:52.440 in it will be criticized would be you know obviously the government and their actions

00:03:56.420 uh and truthfully myself yeah uh for any of the the mistakes that i think that i made during the uh

00:04:04.000 the convoy but there's no reason for me to cast anybody in a bad light i'm just telling the this

00:04:09.420 the truth from what i remember what my recollection of the experience was yeah do you have a date in

00:04:14.920 mind for what that'll be released yes i do it'll be released uh 14th of february which is the one

00:04:20.540 year anniversary of the invocation of the emergency act i love that it's not because of uh what's the

00:04:27.100 day valentine's um and uh the the book is called the people's emergency act and so i think it's an

00:04:36.200 appropriate name for that because a good friend of mine um who was in in windsor i found out after

00:04:42.520 he was in windsor and was arrested and he he said to me one day he says you know the convoy

00:04:47.440 was the people's emergency act because after two years nobody was listening and so i thought that

00:04:53.740 was just a brilliant insight and a great name for the book so that's what it's going to be called

00:04:59.060 that's why that's why it's called the people's emergency act well that that'll be a great book

00:05:02.860 i truly look forward to it's uh it's really some reading reading about it other things as well if

00:05:07.940 you guys want to chat with us you can always go on rumble or others and say send paid chats

00:05:13.300 if you send if you send a couple we'll be able to read them at the end of the live stream and also

00:05:19.260 one last thing tom you're only wearing a dress shirt today last time last time we spoke in live

00:05:24.500 you were better dressed than me we're having a great a great suit today i i have the thigh i have

00:05:29.560 the suit yeah what weren't you wearing well the thing is this like the tie that you're wearing was

00:05:34.000 the tie that i had on i think at the beginning of last week so technically i don't know yeah

00:05:40.920 evidence of this this is a great shirt though this is a great shirt i do my monologues in this shirt

00:05:45.580 because it's such a comfortable shirt yeah well it definitely is guys comment down below in the

00:05:50.140 comment section who you think is the better dress between me and tom all right let's get to what

00:05:54.500 happens don't pick on seniors let's get to what happens today at the commission let's take a look

00:06:00.180 at clip number one um from tamara leach's testimony let's take a look at that suggestion was made to

00:06:09.160 have children leave the red zone seems pretty clear to me that you were given the message right

00:06:15.860 i was never told i needed to leave so the plt's uh that's fabricated i remember when they came in

00:06:26.880 and we had the discussion or um and i as it says became very upset i believe i said something to

00:06:35.360 the effect of i cannot believe that you're about to do this to your own people we were there protesting

00:06:40.560 peacefully and i the rest of that interaction i i was upset and i was crying and i right oh my god you

00:06:48.480 were upset and you were crying because it was over and they told you to leave

00:06:52.080 i was upset and i was crying because of what they were proposing to do to canadian citizens

00:06:58.780 and they told you to depart and they told you to message that to others

00:07:02.620 i don't recall them telling me to message that to others or that i was that i needed to leave

00:07:07.680 i'm sorry you know it was suggested it seems to me your memory is selective when i take you to

00:07:13.920 something that implicates you you have no memory of that that's inflammatory and i've my friend wants

00:07:19.720 to take the stand and become a witness and give opinions about credibility that's fine but that's

00:07:24.640 not a proper question sir

00:07:25.860 so i guess i guess we'll we'll start with you saline where did you make of tamara's testimony 0.95

00:07:31.760 today um yeah okay so today was day two tamara's testimony um it was very impactful it was um

00:07:39.920 exactly what i thought it would be i mean she was very precise and concise with what she chose to

00:07:45.080 to speak about and talk about in this particular clip that we just watched here how do you pronounce

00:07:49.820 his name i'll i will destroy it do you the lawyer the ops yeah lawyer i'm not i'm not entirely sure

00:07:55.300 i thought he was quite cranky this morning and definitely had a bone to pick with tamara

00:07:59.300 especially i mean that definitely was an inflammatory comment that he made there i didn't see him

00:08:04.960 make any other retorts to anyone else giving testimonies so yeah 100 what about you tom what did you

00:08:10.780 make of tamara's testimony today well during her cross-examination because you were here i think

00:08:15.120 i think that she spoke to tamara's testimony yeah yesterday yeah so there was there was i don't know

00:08:21.660 there's so many lawyers in the room uh obviously i think there's like four rows of of lawyers uh on

00:08:27.040 both sides of the room and that particular lawyer he comes up all the time i unfortunately i don't know

00:08:33.180 his name um but you know sometimes in in being a lawyer i think you don't always have to be a great

00:08:42.820 lawyer for your uh for your client uh and unfortunately i my feeling was that today maybe

00:08:49.260 would have been a good day for him not to be such a good lawyer because he was really really aggressive

00:08:55.600 and he was attacking on many different fronts and if we i don't know if we're going to get into

00:09:00.620 talking about chris deering and maggie but uh his his cross to them today was uh it was it was

00:09:08.380 quite offensive but he they're grasping at straws right and from my perspective at this point

00:09:14.620 a lot of what you're hearing in the room depending on which which law firm you're dealing with or their

00:09:21.420 client they represent this is all about lawsuits at this point we some of these these factions in the

00:09:29.560 the room have moved away from the inquiry and they're now covering their butts because of the

00:09:34.600 pending law firm uh lawsuits yeah so that was an example to me where he wasn't so much talking about

00:09:40.920 the the uh emergency act yeah this is about future lawsuits yeah yeah of course well i think that that's

00:09:48.520 that's the reason why the ops is there i think that's the reason why uh former chief slowly's council

00:09:53.240 is there as well as because they know there's going to to be something happening in the future

00:09:57.560 the lawsuit between the ops and slowly perhaps and even the opp does i i think that's the reason why

00:10:02.600 they're all there they're all there to defend themselves now as we keep talking about there's

00:10:06.600 only a few parties are there including the commission and the gccf and the lawyers like

00:10:12.280 brendan miller and that's sheba they're actually there to figure out whether or not the emergencies

00:10:16.520 act was used rightfully and justified that's well you know what's interesting is you know i was there

00:10:21.080 at the ghg20 summit in 2010 and to this day there's still ongoing lawsuits and we're talking 12 and a

00:10:28.120 half years later so that was one or two days as well but we're going to be seeing lawsuits from from

00:10:36.680 this event in february going on beyond the next decade it is yeah it is my personal experience from

00:10:42.600 covering um other court proceedings that the wheels of justice grind and squeak and do anything but turn

00:10:47.880 easily so right now with the the whole pressure it was put on our justice system during the pandemic

00:10:54.040 yeah let's keep having trials about pandemic tickets because you went to visit your family

00:11:00.040 yeah in their home nor justice system the pandemic definitely showed um the how weak or strong if you

00:11:06.600 want to put it that way our system system actually is oh no yeah right there's a bunch of stuff to get

00:11:10.680 to in terms of tamaralisha's testimony let's get to clip number two um that we have today

00:11:19.080 and you're right we uh or the letter says we have made a plan to consolidate our best our protest

00:11:24.120 efforts around parliament hill we will be working hard over the next 40 24 hours to get buy-in from the

00:11:30.840 truckers we hope to start repositioning our trucks on monday and that's worded that way because at that

00:11:38.040 point the best that you could offer the mayor was efforts to get buy-in from the truckers right well

00:11:44.920 we needed to go out and speak to them and talk to them about about what we thought was going to be a

00:11:49.800 good idea yes and it was important to you i take it to make clear that what had been agreed to

00:12:00.440 was nothing more than moving the trucks out of the residential neighborhoods right

00:12:06.120 it was a step one yeah that's how i viewed it it was it was progress it was the more progress than

00:12:13.000 we'd seen since we arrived

00:12:19.320 saline um it was progress to me there are so many pressures that we don't understand that uh these

00:12:28.920 appointed organizers right by the people we're facing i believe that it was progress no matter what

00:12:35.320 there was thousands of people there those trucks are not small like there was a lot in terms of

00:12:41.320 organization in terms of how does one i mean i can't even think about driving a big truck let alone

00:12:48.520 you know trying to move it out under the pressures that they were facing so i think that it was indeed

00:12:53.240 progress and we still saw your kind of organizers being able to assemble the people and actually get

00:12:57.560 the trucks to move to the location that they were supposed to move and the city still cutting out of the

00:13:03.160 deals yeah yeah and and i think you know the the operative word in that whole statement was the

00:13:09.000 word hope and and there's another perspective on this as well one there was concrete barriers

00:13:16.840 two we obviously had challenges getting fuel to vehicles and a lot of the fuel was meant just for the

00:13:23.640 generators in the vehicles as well to to keep people warm yeah in the trucks but the other issue is

00:13:30.360 these are big pieces of of equipment right big vehicles there's a safety aspect to this for the

00:13:36.360 public yeah and for the police officers around the vehicles and to the actual vehicle itself because

00:13:44.200 you don't want those big expensive vehicles colliding with things and and so you have to be very

00:13:50.120 deliberate in your your movement of these things so you can't it's not like moving your little tiny

00:13:55.960 honda civic right it's a little bit more complicated than that i mean visibility is an issue when you're

00:14:01.080 surrounded by the the public that are there to support you safety becomes a real issue so you

00:14:06.520 can't rush through this yeah and so that is that was a factor that we all had to consider with with this

00:14:13.000 as well and then if you mix in bad weather because at one point we did start to get rain then we got

00:14:19.240 freezing so there was ice then we got a snowstorm so there's there's a weather element to this as well and then

00:14:24.680 there's night time right so visibility gets reduced at night time so there's lots of challenges so to

00:14:30.520 say that we hope to get it done by a certain time it's factoring in all of these different variables

00:14:36.120 you know it sounds pretty simple when you break it down that way almost like it's like common sense

00:14:42.280 yeah for sure yeah 100 i think there's there's the environmental issue plus there's the fact that every

00:14:48.440 trucker is its own sovereign being yes right you you couldn't just order them

00:14:53.000 i'm telling you to move the truck you are going to move the truck you had to convince them you had

00:14:57.240 to you know have a discussion with them and you know tell them that's the plan we have for cities

00:15:01.480 that we're able to continue to peacefully protest these authoritarian vaccine mandates if you do so

00:15:06.920 we will be able to continue demonstrating peacefully in ottawa how was that process like talking to people

00:15:12.040 were they're usually compliant or did you sometime you know fall on the cracks with some of them well there

00:15:17.240 was there was challenges talking to some drivers and it and it really did matter who went up and

00:15:22.680 talked to the driver so we we heard the evidence and this is true this is why we sent chris barbara

00:15:27.880 out there often to say chris go talk to the guys yeah and the girls and they would just comply i mean

00:15:33.800 i'm not a truck driver look at the way i'm dressed right i'm not going to go up there and have this instant

00:15:39.400 rapport with with truck drivers that have no idea who i am but when you send chris out to do it it's easy but

00:15:45.480 there was occasions that you know eva and i both for two hours sat in a in a french canadian uh guy's

00:15:52.760 truck and it was this pickup truck for two hours trying to negotiate with him and reason with him

00:15:58.440 to to convince him why you know it was a good idea for him to move yeah and and so it becomes a challenge

00:16:05.560 depending on who you are right and it takes time to build rapport with people and get them to understand

00:16:10.200 what you're thinking and even then to trust you and we got that eva and i got that trust that

00:16:15.400 day and we worked for hours and then the leadership of the ops ruined the deal and it wasn't slowly it

00:16:23.720 was an into one or two individuals and in key positions that that ruined the deal for everybody

00:16:29.080 and then we lost trust in the police the police what we saw in the testimony said that we couldn't

00:16:36.840 actually deliver well we couldn't deliver because you kind of screwed us yeah right and it all that work

00:16:43.800 was lost all that trust that we built was lost and so i don't want to say that these people were

00:16:51.480 difficult it's just that there was a history there that the ottawa police had had earned of mistrust

00:16:58.280 between the truckers on especially on that redo corner because the police kept lying and tricking

00:17:03.640 them to moving their vehicles so you couldn't trust them you know we talked about the deal because we've

00:17:08.280 been talking about it for the past three weeks but there's some people that are only tuning in now

00:17:12.120 the inquiry can you tell us a little bit more about what the deal was yeah so we had a an arrangement

00:17:16.680 with the city to to do our best to clear the intersection at rito and um essex or wessex one of

00:17:25.160 the sussex or something yeah yeah that corner there uh to clear it and and it was a it was a high

00:17:33.800 priority for the city and i think the reason it was a high priority for the city is one it was within

00:17:39.160 like view of the united states consulate or embassy yeah uh there was also other business interest on

00:17:45.800 that that intersection it was a good like flow through route for them that that had an impact on

00:17:52.760 buses and getting to the rito center for public transportation that kind of stuff so you go there

00:17:58.280 and if you look you would have realized why it became a priority for them and we were willing to

00:18:02.840 do that and we were willing to try and help get the vehicles out of the more residential areas

00:18:09.400 and we wanted everything up on wellington from a tactical point of view and i and i use the term

00:18:14.680 loosely okay but from a tactical point of view we knew that kind of put us in a weird situation for

00:18:21.080 to make it easier for the police to sweep through like they did on the last two days but as we saw

00:18:26.280 they cleared through anyway yeah uh so it wasn't a huge sort of giveaway for us um and also based on

00:18:34.040 the fact that the all the protesters remained peaceful i mean the police could have swept through

00:18:39.160 any time that they wanted yes that was understood yes but people also are talking about and it was my

00:18:43.880 understanding that even just for the couple of days that i was there there was a lot of rumors and

00:18:48.360 speculation going on through like radio communication about potential dangers and i believe that also

00:18:54.280 halted them from being able to move on a moment's notice because they were afraid they're afraid when

00:18:59.000 people came up to their windows if it was at night and they're being told to move these are all

00:19:03.240 pressures and dangers that they were dealing with that i don't think anyone can understand except the

00:19:07.160 people that were in those trucks hearing those things i mean you're living in those trucks and

00:19:11.320 truckers were in there for weeks and what's interesting to know is that ottawa citizens were

00:19:15.160 taking them into their homes letting them have showers and doing laundry and feeding them and

00:19:20.280 stuff and giving them a break so they could sleep in a bed for the night and there's

00:19:28.360 there was a lot of resistance to moving off of that corner because it you know the truckers weren't

00:19:33.480 there for themselves the individuals were not there for themselves they were there for their families and

00:19:39.000 for their entire communities yeah you know when you're you're sent off in this big grandiose parade

00:19:44.360 from your community you know that you're not going there as an individual you're carrying your entire

00:19:50.440 community into into ottawa and that was never lost on the people that were were in ottawa yeah never and

00:19:58.840 a lot of these people already felt like outcasts because they were there to protest the federal mandates

00:20:04.760 yeah so they put themselves out even further in a more vulnerable position to be able to

00:20:10.280 yeah be there be there for everybody in a consistent theme that we've heard throughout

00:20:14.680 this entire thing when we've had a chance to uh to testify is everybody was

00:20:24.280 everybody knew that we were no longer welcome to participate in the society that you know we helped

00:20:31.240 built we were forbidden we were ostracized we were targeted by friends families neighbors co-workers

00:20:39.800 definitely by justin trudeau yeah definitely by his bullhorn the mainstream media and we were deliberately

00:20:46.360 targeted with hate speech as far as i'm concerned yeah and you know they're looking at us as you know uh

00:20:53.080 an inspiration of hate but leadership starts at the top in this federal government and it came from

00:20:59.480 the just from justin trudeau's mouth himself and said we will why should we tolerate these people

00:21:07.720 you know what i mean like this is the guy that was elected to represent the country

00:21:11.960 he started the rhetoric and it just rolled downhill onto all of our backs yeah and to this day i still get

00:21:22.840 called all sorts of vile things on social media by by people that just seem to be so easily hypnotized

00:21:30.600 by justin trudeau's nice hair pre-haircut every summer and the rhetoric that comes out of his mouth

00:21:37.720 on cbc well even tamara touch on is you know the fact that justin trudeau was using divisive words

00:21:44.360 to um unite canadians that that's his world of prime minister is supposed to unite canadians and you're

00:21:49.080 dividing the country you're dividing he's been doing it since he was elected even before he was

00:21:53.080 elected quebec versus alberta yes quebecers are better than albertans okay well we should have

00:21:58.920 more people in quebec then we should have people from alberta in our government that's what justin

00:22:03.480 trudeau was saying even before he was elected justin trudeau divided a lot of people right i think

00:22:08.120 tamara's testimony touched on a lot of things and i was glad right after she ended her whole testimony

00:22:13.880 had lasted nearly a full day because she did half of it yesterday and half of it yes yeah i was able

00:22:18.680 to have a quick interview with eva chipiok one of the one of the many lawyers for tomorrow let's 0.99

00:22:23.080 take a look at how uh how my quick instruction with uh with eva forever ever went the best lawyer ever

00:22:31.560 so can you can you just recap from what you saw how much time you want for uh what did you see

00:22:36.440 from tamara's testimony what's what are the main takeaways well it was really finally an opportunity

00:22:41.240 for canada to hear the truth of what really occurred with miss leach for the time she was in

00:22:48.120 ottawa and preparations for ottawa everything happened at such an expedited speed it was incredible

00:22:55.160 the word organizer i think she spoke to it for me has always been very difficult you what happened

00:23:03.000 couldn't have been organized in a month's time basically it was a day-to-day activity it was just

00:23:08.680 canadians coming together for the first time in a long time working together on a common goal

00:23:15.960 really to come together to talk about the overreach the federal government provincial governments

00:23:23.560 even municipal governments imposed on their citizens and citizens came together

00:23:29.880 on parliament hill to hold their government to account and and we finally heard the story from

00:23:38.280 miss leach's side you said she wasn't an organizer was she was she a leader how did you describe her

00:23:43.160 role in the convoy because i think it's a little bit unclear yeah and i think it's going to remain

00:23:47.240 unclear yeah forever um again because everything happened at such a rapid pace and even she mentioned

00:23:54.840 yesterday or today somebody asked her about how quickly the deal came together with the the mayor

00:24:00.840 everything was organic everything happened at such a quick pace how do you organize something like that

00:24:08.360 it's virtually impossible you're just living you're in the moment and you're doing what you can to

00:24:14.840 ensure that as she continued to say things remain peaceful um everyone abided by the law and that is what

00:24:22.600 she advocated if that's what she organized peace then i'll give you that one and one last thing for me

00:24:28.920 can you explain why the ops objected some of the evidence being presented the panel that we saw earlier

00:24:34.040 at the ops the ottawa coalition the opp as well yeah so um and as just uh our commissioner rouleau has

00:24:41.640 said many times everything's moving at a very fast pace so it was a procedural issue very lawyerly as you

00:24:48.280 saw so there's rules of procedure and evidence and they were objecting because that evidence those

00:24:53.720 videos were filed a little bit later in the game uh it wasn't as late as what we saw with uh diane dean's

00:25:00.200 evidence that came in that morning the recording and we saw how the commissioner handled that he said

00:25:05.400 first we want to know why this evidence is late and let's hear it first so he kind of had the same

00:25:10.680 um procedure with uh this evidence that came a bit later it's all public information as well this is

00:25:18.280 stuff that's on youtube it's not some secret government document or organizational document

00:25:23.640 that came about so everyone had their cell phone like somebody said today um none of this is hidden

00:25:29.480 evidence but of course you know it's to be fair to all parties to have that evidence in advance perfect

00:25:34.760 thanks eva you're very welcome thank you eva such a great story i feel like all of your lawyers are

00:25:41.160 are excellent but you know i live i live with them all uh right now for this this inquiry and i have to

00:25:48.040 say every day is such an amazing experience with them i mean keith and eva and i and some of the others

00:25:56.040 we spent every day together during the actual convoy that's right and um i've been in constant contact

00:26:02.200 with them throughout the uh you know since the convoy but now i i live with keith and tamara lives with

00:26:08.120 eva and that's because of tamara's bail conditions right uh so when i when i sit and i learn about how

00:26:18.120 the lawyers think about the law and how they their their their processes and stuff like that i find it

00:26:24.680 absolutely fan like just so fascinating to watch yeah and you know they're worse than i i said to

00:26:33.080 him last night we were still up like 11 30 last night and i i realized they never stop like they

00:26:40.840 never ever stop and it's brilliant to watch them and i if i was 10 years younger i would consider

00:26:46.920 law school just so that i could work with these guys like as an actual lawyer i would do it if i was

00:26:51.480 10 years younger but uh i don't want i don't want the a law firm taking my training wheels off when

00:26:57.000 i'm 60 yeah so i'm not going to do it yeah uh but it is incredible to to be around these amazing lawyers

00:27:05.880 and and they're unusual lawyers very very unusual people because i remember when we were in the convoy

00:27:11.480 saying what's with you guys how come all your peers have like vacated and uh they said well just

00:27:17.480 that's just because we're weird it's right weird in the best possible way uh and they're here

00:27:25.480 for their kids in their communities and for canada that they're not here for money

00:27:30.200 they're not here for money no of course and just just before we move on to to two more things because

00:27:35.080 there's so much to talk about both from tamara's testimony and the other testimonies that we saw

00:27:38.760 today um let's take a look at the clip where tamara actually talks about what eva just mentioned 0.93

00:27:43.960 because eva mentioned a lot of things in our short interview but one thing that she mentioned was

00:27:49.160 the relationship that the convoy people have with the city of ottawa and the mayor the level of

00:27:54.360 garments let's take a look at what samara had to say about that so it the actual goal with respect to

00:28:02.920 freedom corp as well as the the protesters that you were representing their actual goal was not to

00:28:10.200 achieve a meeting with the mayor but it was to deal with this in a peaceful manner can you elaborate on

00:28:17.000 that yes well that was obviously our goal and and again to get the trucks off the residential streets

00:28:24.920 um we were hoping to find a way that the trucks that did have to move their vehicles out of the city

00:28:30.920 would have be able to come back in and and continue the protest and again we felt it was a step in the

00:28:38.760 right direction and meeting with the mayor was not one of my goals but i thought again it was a way to

00:28:46.360 open some dialogue with somebody in a position of authority i think the re the reason why it wasn't one

00:28:54.040 of her goals or one of your goals as a matter of fact because you were here to process federal

00:28:58.120 governments vaccine man they had nothing to do with the municipal level uh but did you guys have

00:29:03.480 hope of being able to meet with the mayor i might be the wrong guy to ask that question um

00:29:15.080 it was it wasn't my hope or my it wasn't even my interest yeah to meet with the mayor because

00:29:23.640 i didn't see him as being of any value to our cause yeah i wanted to me personally i wanted to

00:29:32.280 meet with a senior police officer because i felt that i would have had a better chance of developing

00:29:38.520 a relationship and a rapport with the people that we would be daily interacting with whereas the mayor

00:29:44.600 was going to be sort of out there on the uh the periphery and you wouldn't be able to trust him

00:29:51.160 and you wouldn't really in in by law the the politicians cannot direct police operations

00:29:56.760 so it was my goal was uh in in many of us we had many discussions was to always take the pressure

00:30:04.360 off of the residents and then we thought that if we take the pressure off the residents they'll stop

00:30:10.920 calling the politicians the politicians will stop harassing the police chief but you and i have been on

00:30:17.320 doing these shows for uh what we're on three years yeah three years three years not three

00:30:22.280 meters three years and well long okay keith wilson said it's been on our day today i said really because

00:30:29.320 it just feels that way three years anyway we've been doing this for three years and in those three

00:30:35.160 years that we've been doing this show together uh you being my co-host

00:30:38.920 we've been talking about the fact every day that nobody wanted to talk to us nobody wanted to talk

00:30:48.920 to us yeah we were trying to get the meetings with the right people we're always trying to send the

00:30:53.240 right uh you know be safe responsible send that message clearly to the police and in the highest

00:30:59.960 ranking person we ever dealt with that i dealt with was on the police side was two sergeants right and

00:31:07.000 we got two meetings with the the city manager that's as far as we ever actually got like tamara

00:31:13.240 never met the mayor it was there was an intermediary between tamara and the mayor yeah so so they didn't 0.81

00:31:18.840 even respect us enough to send their mayor so i just felt like it was a colossal waste of time to

00:31:25.720 focus on him i thought let's focus on the police and that'll be the good interface between us and we can

00:31:32.520 we can work with the police make it safe responsible consolidate all the vehicles onto

00:31:37.000 wellington and that puts pressure on the federal government because the federal government was the

00:31:41.560 only group in this city that had the power to end the mandates wasting our time with the mayor

00:31:47.960 was just wasting our time with the mayor well exactly you like there was an amount of um

00:31:56.440 eminency uh that was desired right yeah in order to get the attention for the right people there was a

00:32:02.280 lot of politicians talking at you talking at the movement and about us exactly so what good did that

00:32:09.480 do right it's like hearsay all you're gonna do is just gossip and gossip and and the misinformation

00:32:15.320 that was spread didn't help anybody that's been revealed not anyone from um the ops the opp

00:32:21.320 nobody on the ground not the convoyers so why was it done i don't think anyone was looking to deal

00:32:26.840 or or to actually initiate talking to anybody well why was it done i think it's it's pretty clear the

00:32:31.880 reason why it was done without saying yeah yeah pretty obvious yeah and you know the prime minister

00:32:37.960 was uh he hid from us which is weird because we expected my my expectation was uh because the two

00:32:44.360 other protests in canadian history he had sent an envoy to talk to other protests he'd also taken a

00:32:49.800 knee at blm he had also gone to london ontario when that that uh young disturbed man drove over that

00:32:56.600 family killed killing four people yeah during a lockdown i believe or at least the height of the

00:33:01.800 the masks and and closed down an entire street like he he's very selective on where and when the virus

00:33:10.840 actually was a threat to public safety yeah if it was for political gain the virus was something we

00:33:17.560 could we could mitigate but for everyday canadians forget it right so there was i was getting phone

00:33:26.520 calls to to deal with the city and i was like it's a waste of time our our objective is to get the

00:33:32.680 meeting with the with the prime minister and we thought we naively thought he would at least send some

00:33:38.360 sort of an envoy and he he just hid from us um like a coward and not like a leader who actually

00:33:47.000 wanted to hear the concerns of his own citizens because deep down i'm pretty sure he understands

00:33:52.120 that he's been the most of divisive figure in this country yeah and i yeah no for sure and i think um

00:33:59.720 you know well first of all the convoy was about federally regulated copen 19 that's what it was about

00:34:04.360 at the end of the day i think there's one person who we can talk about in terms of years it's just

00:34:08.440 and true we've been hiding for seven years who have been refusing to answer a single question

00:34:13.000 for seven years yeah so yeah i think right now would be the right time for a break after we

00:34:17.400 either been talking for three years let's go back well we'll see you guys in three years after this

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00:35:40.280 all right second testimony of the day so there was a little bit of drama before that second testimony

00:35:44.760 because you saw the ops the auto coalition the oppo objecting to having some of the evidence shows some

00:35:51.400 of the videos uh shown even the the panel appearing i understand uh what did you make of the testimony

00:35:57.720 of chris chris deering and maggie maggie about hope hope yeah um

00:36:08.200 chris chris deering has become a friend of mine since the convoy so you know i've heard the story um about

00:36:14.600 not only his his experience in afghanistan when um you know three of his his uh team got killed in that

00:36:24.440 lav three um because they hit an ied in his lav three went 100 feet in the air killed three of them

00:36:31.320 instantly flipped over the turret fell out of the vehicle chris fell out of the vehicle and it's a

00:36:36.600 miracle it didn't fall on top of chris but he had fractured his pelvis uh bones in his face his legs

00:36:43.400 everything like he's severely and he's got a traumatic brain injury and uh you know there's

00:36:49.960 there's that aspect to it but when and i've heard the story directly from chris before about the arrest

00:36:56.040 and and what they've done and i've seen the video but i felt today that listening to that uh that

00:37:03.560 testimony when he was up there on the stand i i really personally struggled with it it took me

00:37:08.280 everything i had not to walk out of the room yeah um and i know maggie's story as well and it's it's

00:37:15.800 both uh disturbing but i what i found really really offensive was um the ops how hard how how vigorously

00:37:27.320 they tried to block the the victim testimony that we had uh versus um the the two individuals on the

00:37:36.680 first day of the testimony that the ottawa citizens right so they want to they want to put uh their

00:37:44.280 witnesses out there but they really tried hard to block our witnesses because they knew that it was

00:37:50.440 going to be very damning for them and so they that lawyer tried very very hard and i knew it was going

00:37:57.640 to roll our way when the commission lawyers actually supported our motion to have it done that's when i knew

00:38:04.440 that the judge was gonna was gonna allow it to go forward because their job is to find the truth

00:38:11.720 and and chris and maggie were a very important eyewitness testimony to the truth of what happened

00:38:17.560 on those last two days yeah so i think the judge realized you you have to show uh the full scope

00:38:24.520 not just people that were that are claiming ptsd from phantom honking uh in microaggressions i was just

00:38:31.560 gonna say microaggressions versus people that were literally beaten uh injured veterans that were

00:38:38.120 wearing their medals beaten thrown to the ground denied pain medication for their chronic illness

00:38:44.520 dropped off out in the country and and a mother who was there protesting giving copies of the the

00:38:50.040 charter of rights and freedoms to people that put a gun to her head right this is the impact statements

00:38:56.440 that were were the city uh you know paul champ and his lawyer plus the ops really wanted to conceal

00:39:04.200 from the public they wanted to conceal that truth and it was grotesque and it's shameful and i hope that

00:39:11.560 those lawyers go home and have a good stiff drink uh and and reflect on what they tried to to hide from the

00:39:19.240 public today yeah or a really good long hard look in the mirror in the mirror yeah absolutely i was holding my breath

00:39:25.320 breath when um commissioner rouleau it was going to be his uh he was going to either go for it or it was

00:39:31.960 going to be dismissed and i i was literally on the edge of my seat in that media room because i was like

00:39:37.480 this if there is a line we're going to see right now if there is a divide and if he sways to to one side

00:39:45.400 that the lawyer uh his first name is john he's the lawyer that cross-examined me for the commission is

00:39:51.080 that right yeah i think so he's the lawyer who cross-examined me for the commission when i went up

00:39:55.560 yeah uh i am absolutely impressed with him and and all of the commission lawyers were handpicked i was

00:40:03.160 told by justice rouleau to to do the role that they're doing and i was i have been absolutely

00:40:10.600 impressed with him yeah and and i started to really pay attention to his line of questioning about a week

00:40:16.520 ago and honestly i think i might have even been critical of justice rouleau's you know i i bought

00:40:23.720 into the rumors he was a liberal and i i might have even tweeted about it and i regret that i regret that

00:40:28.920 because i've seen nothing but professionalism from justice rouleau and that team of commission lawyers

00:40:34.840 they are solely focused on the truth and that is what they're pursuing and i i i bought into

00:40:44.280 what they're doing and i'm very very impressed i'm very proud of what they're doing and they're

00:40:47.960 not even my lawyers but i'm very proud of the work that they are doing yeah to pursue the truth

00:40:52.680 because as far as i'm concerned they are the canadian public's lawyer right now no and they're doing a

00:40:58.360 great job yeah i fully agree i've seen nothing but professionalism from justice justice rule and

00:41:03.400 well judge rule commissioner rule yeah and you know professionalism doesn't mean that you're

00:41:08.280 fully non-partisan professional professionalism doesn't mean that you have no political bias

00:41:12.760 professionalism means that you're able to put your bias aside and actually do the job that you're

00:41:18.040 there to do that's what professionalism is is and i understand the people that have doubt because

00:41:23.240 it's true in the past years we've seen liberals people that tend to be more on the liberal party

00:41:28.760 side show no professionalism so i guess that's why that's why people were expecting justice rule to be

00:41:34.840 the exact same way but i don't think that's what he's shown us since the beginning of the commission

00:41:39.560 and since we're talking about chris deering's testimony let's let's take a look at some of what

00:41:44.840 he had to say today i succumb and i gave myself to the police and as the police took me down

00:41:53.720 again he knew he kneed me in my side kicked me in my back i was laying down i was in the fetal position

00:42:01.960 on my back he kicked me in my ankle on my foot as i was laying down i had my hands completely up i'm

00:42:08.920 saying i'm very peaceful i'm peaceful i'm not resisting i was then punched four or five times

00:42:13.800 in my head i had a knee on my back to keep myself down i was on the ground for one and a half to two

00:42:20.600 minutes my hands were zip tied the officers slowly picked me up and then we slowly proceeded to the

00:42:28.760 processing line we get to the processing line the day was minus 20. i had no gloves on

00:42:41.000 at the beginning of the processing line we were standing there and i had asked so and sorry

00:42:46.920 the duration of the processing line was one and a half to two hours so i was standing there in the

00:42:51.800 cold for two hours i asked the policeman who was on both sides of me i said do you mind you know my

00:42:57.400 conditions is it okay if i sit or kneel because i'm in chronic pain it was obvious my face was flush

00:43:02.920 and i cried multiple times and i don't cry ever i was it was the worst pain i had felt since i've been

00:43:09.320 blown up the fact that i couldn't sit or stand was to me cruel and unusual punishment we would go 15 20

00:43:18.120 minutes without even moving i also asked if i could have my medication in which i had my prescription

00:43:23.960 and my medication on my person so that if i needed it i could ask i asked and i was denied my comfort

00:43:30.040 my medication to comfort my duress

00:43:35.240 this this is testimony of a man who is willing to die for for our country this is a testimony of a man

00:43:40.120 who is willing to sacrifice himself for the greater good of the people of canada and this is how those

00:43:46.440 veterans are treated in justin trudeau's canada you know i remember before justin trudeau became prime

00:43:52.280 minister maybe after he was elected before his second election he had a campaign event where he

00:43:58.280 went in a gym and there was a guy who stood up and said why aren't you doing more for the veterans

00:44:04.680 and he said well that's not our fault that's not our fault they're asking for too much it's the

00:44:09.000 conservative it's the conservative party it's stephen harper that did sort of veterans what we're seeing

00:44:16.280 yeah happen to them and this is how he treats veterans nowadays and that's quite a famous uh

00:44:22.360 clip and that really i have to admit uh that is an incredibly um frustrating to the veterans and the

00:44:30.680 military community that clip and and um you know when you say to a veteran that a veteran is asking

00:44:39.320 asking asking more than we're willing to give when and we talked about this the other night we talked

00:44:45.240 about unlimited liability so from a soldier i'm gonna i'm actually going to sign a contract that

00:44:53.080 is called unlimited liability it means i am willing if justified and it's a legal order to risk my life

00:45:00.920 and possibly give my life legally if ordered to my certain death and when justin trudeau said you now

00:45:12.760 are asking more than i'm willing to give and we're talking about a soldier's life versus dollars and help

00:45:22.040 and and you know we we see what's happening to chris and chris wasn't the only veteran by the way

00:45:28.360 jeff uh everly was also one of the veterans from afghanistan did two tours uh was also beaten and

00:45:35.480 arrested by police there were several and and if you hear chris's testimony they all linked arms

00:45:41.000 just to make a human chain and they were talking to the police and all those veterans were taken to

00:45:45.880 the ground and uh and arrested and and physically harmed well i think their veterans are not terrorists

00:45:51.720 and i believe that we have to clip up the the veteran even though it's not directly related to what

00:45:55.880 uh to to emergency that inquiry i'd like to take a look at that clip from justin trudeau being

00:46:01.400 questioned yeah by this this man about why and pay attention to the medals if you see a star on on

00:46:07.640 the medals that's a campaign star it's a combat veteran yeah let's take a look at that clip for a

00:46:11.720 second nobody forced me to join the military i was prepared to be killed in action what i wasn't

00:46:19.800 prepared for mr prime minister is canada turning its back on me so which veteran was it that you were

00:46:32.200 talking about thank you sir thank you for your uh passion and your strength and being here today to

00:46:40.680 share this uh justifiable frustration and anger with me and with all of us here thank you for having the

00:46:48.360 courage to stand here and thank you for listening to my answer on a couple of elements you brought up

00:46:55.240 first of all uh why are we still uh fighting against certain uh veterans groups in course because uh

00:47:03.320 they are asking for more than we are able to give right now um they are asking for more than we well no

00:47:09.960 hang on oh you're asking you're asking for honest answers the old veterans charter involved lump sum

00:47:22.840 payments and very little in the way of services we have significantly invested in services rehabilitation

00:47:30.360 support uh investments in training and support for caregivers and families that have gone a long way

00:47:37.720 towards improving the quality of life and outcomes for veterans and we cannot return to the amount of

00:47:45.640 money that was given before without accounting for the money invested in services for veterans and what

00:47:54.520 i know from veterans i've spoken to is nobody wants after having served their country with valor and honor

00:48:00.600 and sacrifice to have their government say here's your check now don't bother us anymore we need to

00:48:07.000 support you through the course of your life with the things that you need with the things that your

00:48:10.920 family needs for it and that is at the heart of uh the new veterans approach that we have that you

00:48:17.560 will see more details on in the budget coming forward so i i i get that now you also brought up

00:48:25.000 no absolutely not because in justin trudeau's canada instead of providing housing and food and shelter and

00:48:30.680 supplies he would rather them have the ability uh to um be provided assisted suicide and that's what

00:48:38.840 we're seeing right now in canada well instead of thanking the the the veteran for listening to his

00:48:44.040 response why isn't he taking him for his service no that's the same man who says we don't we're not

00:48:48.360 able to provide you with what you need to live but i'm gonna go get a six thousand dollars a night hotel

00:48:54.440 in england i'm gonna get i'm gonna get a 12 12 000 dollar grocery bill yeah i'm going to spend so

00:49:01.480 much money on myself and my family yes all on your back all in the back of the taxpayer well and also

00:49:07.080 he's not gonna bat an eye to take his private jet to a you know a world climate summit like what is going

00:49:13.880 on here he literally shows shush the crowd when then when they out that outcry it gets to me so much he

00:49:21.400 opens his mouth and i am that's my microaggression right there is justin trudeau yeah i you know

00:49:27.480 i don't want to get too deep into the whole ukraine thing but from my perspective let's not give

00:49:37.400 all of our tax dollars to the ukraine if that's really what he's thinking about his own veterans

00:49:43.880 um look i get there's a war going on there i i understand that but did the anchorman

00:49:51.400 tell everyone to get outraged at facebook tell everyone to get outraged about sierra leone south

00:49:57.240 sudan taiwan the congo uh chad yemen jordan did the anchorman tell everybody to to focus in on those

00:50:08.440 do we have facebook flags that we can all put on our profiles but no we're sending all of our money to

00:50:14.680 christia freeland's family in the ukraine yeah and you know he's got the nerve to sit there and

00:50:21.800 talk about veterans and support and and if the budget allows it now i understand this is this is

00:50:27.960 predating the the war in ukraine but let's put our priorities in order okay ukraine is not a member of

00:50:35.160 nato we don't actually have a legal obligation to be involved in that particular war

00:50:41.640 mm-hmm but that's the one that they've chosen and that's the one that the media has chosen to be

00:50:46.440 involved in and you know we have far too many financial problems in our own country right now

00:50:53.640 to be interfering in that kind of a thing and and i've i've deliberately stayed away from the vast

00:50:59.000 majority of the issues around that war because like i said we're not paying attention to the other

00:51:03.800 the other wars that are going around around in the rest of the world um but it seems to me that our

00:51:10.520 economy is in in deep trouble uh because apparently budgets do you know they balance themselves well

00:51:17.400 that's the whole that's the whole philosophy we only have about 10 or 15 minutes left

00:51:23.240 uh we have been talking for a little while um but you know another interesting thing from chris

00:51:30.040 chris's testimony chris deering is the reason it's when he spoke about the reason why he joined the

00:51:34.440 convo you know he spoke about his brothers in nova scotia his birth figuratively his birth from

00:51:40.440 the army that he wasn't able to to go grieve with and to to visit because of justin trudeau's

00:51:46.600 vaccine the mandates clip number four if you can take a look at that it's where chris explains his

00:51:53.800 reason as a veteran for joining the freedom convo let's take a look at that and so when you travel to

00:51:59.720 ottawa what did you understand that you were there to protest the mandates i was there to protest the

00:52:05.880 mandates and why was that important to you because for the last two years uh personally as a wounded

00:52:13.960 veteran i couldn't do anything i couldn't take my family to a restaurant i couldn't take my kids to

00:52:20.680 gymnastics i couldn't grieve my comrades in nova scotia because i wasn't allowed to cross the border

00:52:27.960 in my own vehicle by myself to a cemetery where no one was living and lay my flowers

00:52:35.480 for my mental health and i was denied that for two years

00:52:41.960 so that's unfortunate there's uh tom quiggan is a brilliant man and he's a friend of ours he's a

00:52:47.640 member of veterans for freedom and he did a video um he wrote the script to a video supporting the dutch

00:52:54.040 farmers and the dutch veterans and in it there's a line where he says you know the veterans can no

00:53:00.760 longer be the tip of the sword but they can be the shield and that's all i could think about when i was

00:53:07.400 listening to chris's testimony today because he came to ottawa to be the shield for the canadian public

00:53:13.400 that was what his heart and his training in his his morals and values told him to do to get here to

00:53:20.120 ottawa and be the shield yeah with a broken body yeah this is the the testament of the character

00:53:26.600 that justin trudeau who is characterless unless we're talking about a cartoon uh or a sock puppet

00:53:32.840 or whatever you want to call it i told you i'm trying to get the humor back i'm i'm looking for

00:53:38.600 puppet yeah i think i'll stick with that yeah um this is this is the character between one man versus the

00:53:44.760 other but unfortunately the wrong one has the the authority to uh to use force to attack his own

00:53:50.440 people travel the civil liberties yeah and and i i'm every day i'm saddened by the fact that

00:53:58.040 the vast majority of canadians have been been asleep for this long it's incredible to me how people

00:54:05.240 still to this day i was getting people attacking me on twitter today for chris's testimony wow this is

00:54:11.800 this is what we've we've uh this is the leadership that has been provided by justin trudeau this is

00:54:17.080 why he is absolutely unfit to be the leader of anything no i i i fully agree right another

00:54:25.320 interesting testimony so we'll get to uh testimony of maggie and then we'll go to daddy beaufort uh

00:54:31.160 shortly uh maggie and by the way for our viewers that have been following us since the beginning since we

00:54:36.440 started doing these live streams one of the things that chris keith wilson told us in our first life

00:54:41.800 i believe our second one he told us a story of a grandmother who was standing in front of the line

00:54:47.000 of uh a police who put a charter the the charter of rights and freedoms in front of the protesters

00:54:53.560 who was grabbed by the police beaten up transported far away from ottawa and dropped there and i believe

00:55:00.760 from what i've heard today from maggie's testimony maggie is the person keith was talking about um that's

00:55:07.880 that's clip number six we can see maggie described the exact same situation i think she can probably

00:55:12.920 confirm it but she describes the exact same situation that keith wilson the lawyer for the

00:55:17.720 firm convoy described on one of our first live stream let's take a look at her testimony as well

00:55:22.200 which is absolutely heartbreaking just like chris deering's one i'll be very brief so when um after

00:55:29.960 i was behind the police line it's all in my statement that's there but i i was thrown to the ground and

00:55:40.520 um there was a lot of weaponry around and uh i looked up and there was there was a gun pointed it

00:55:48.280 appeared to be at my head um and from there i was taken outside the city and dropped off and um again

00:55:57.720 i was at a towing place where they were towing the trucks and um there was no shelter there was no place

00:56:05.160 to plug in your phone there was nothing and um thankfully people came and got us so

00:56:12.840 do you want to start or should i go how'd you feel listening um it's heartbreaking also because i

00:56:24.840 can't imagine actually testifying and being able to talk about having the barrel of a gun um at my head

00:56:33.560 so calmly so the fact that she i just think there's probably such a sense of disassociation to such traumatic

00:56:41.000 things like that that you could see it like that's why i had such a hard time watching them be ripped

00:56:46.360 apart by those lawyers because the enormity of the situations that those peaceful protesters were facing

00:56:53.640 talking about them or just seeing a couple of clips in my opinion does not do it justice so

00:56:59.640 it breaks my heart did you did you hear more of those testimonies that were similar to what maggie

00:57:03.960 you were talking about did you hear more of those stories i did in in you know as after the convoy and

00:57:11.400 i was campaigning with the ontario party uh every time i went to events i would meet people that

00:57:16.760 participated in the convoy and you heard stories like that all the time and it was you know it was

00:57:21.960 hard to do that campaign because i heard all of the stories uh we all did during the campaign right

00:57:30.200 and uh you know i'll go off on a little bit of a tangent today but that that particular lawyer that

00:57:36.280 was that tried to uh discredit both chris and maggie today from the ops i was so disgusted uh

00:57:43.080 listening to his testimony so you know it's funny because chris had given that speech uh during rolling

00:57:49.880 thunder and it was publicly televised i listened to it on the radio i couldn't actually be here for

00:57:54.760 rolling thunder but he went on the lawyer went on to suggest that uh maggie and uh chris were

00:58:01.960 were being paid by the ontario party to give that testimony because the ontario party without chris or

00:58:10.120 maggie knowing about it did some fundraising to try to cover their costs for their hotels and fuel

00:58:16.440 and parking and stuff like that chris and maggie had no knowledge of that but somehow the lawyer

00:58:21.720 you know was questioning chris's authenticity in his motives for testifying but he could have looked

00:58:29.480 it up online and i've learned that the lawyers have seen everything there is to see about us

00:58:33.960 oh of course uh of course knew about chris probably given the speech rolling thunder but try to discredit

00:58:39.880 him in in tarnish his character by suggesting that he was here for money and same with maggie uh because

00:58:47.800 the ontario party quietly inside their internal email list tried to raise some funds to pay for

00:58:55.400 their cost to be here because as you heard chris's bank accounts and his credit system or credit have

00:59:01.000 all been affected and he couldn't pay for parking the other day i don't know if you heard that on the

00:59:05.560 testimony but i was speaking to chris he actually couldn't pay for parking because his credit card had

00:59:11.080 been dropped down to just over a thousand dollars and it you know all of his credit has been affected

00:59:17.240 i don't know about maggie i know mine took a hit i know everybody that was on the list

00:59:21.320 this list of 56 people were marked for life uh in the banking system credit scores diminished i know

00:59:28.280 mine dropped significantly um and none of us have been charged yet and this is this is what frustrates me

00:59:37.000 because this is the kind of canada that anybody who supports justin trudeau this is what they're begging

00:59:42.920 for it yeah they're begging for their abuser to continuously abuse them because they refuse to

00:59:49.160 acknowledge that six million plus canadians sent us to ottawa to deliver a message that they themselves

00:59:57.160 don't want to hear and once again that's how justin trudeau treats his veterans and justin trudeau's

01:00:01.720 canada freeze their bank accounts yeah you heard the credit score no due process it's absolutely

01:00:06.920 unbelievable all right i see that we're getting a little bit over time we'll take a look at

01:00:10.440 at danny bolford one of danny bolford's uh part of his testimony then we'll read some of your chats

01:00:15.880 so if you have something that you want to tell us if you have a message that you want us to to discuss

01:00:20.280 on air today you can always do so once again at rumble or odyssey and then we'll do our best to

01:00:25.960 take a look at it live on air all right let's take a look at part of danny's testimony today

01:00:32.600 so in the initial i would say close to initial two weeks i thought that chief slowly was

01:00:40.200 pretty fair in his uh remarks regarding the convoy you know understanding his position as the chief

01:00:48.120 of police of the city of ottawa but i thought that he was pretty unbiased and then after the

01:00:56.040 i think it was a council meeting or a police services board meeting there was a lot of rhetoric

01:01:03.320 regarding the freedom convoy protesters allegations of being extremists insurrectionists i believe even

01:01:12.680 the term uh domestic terrorism may have been thrown around and i noticed at that time that was

01:01:20.680 it also coincided with a lot of that same rhetoric from the legacy media and

01:01:33.000 you know and i we'd already heard and seen the prime minister using similar language

01:01:38.520 and so i felt that that was that was definitely heightening the anxiety of the overall crowd

01:01:46.600 the the fear that they were going to be labeled such and dealt with as such by law enforcement

01:01:55.880 because they were under so much pressure from the from uh the different levels of government

01:02:04.440 yeah on mainstream media i think we keep hearing several major media even even former police chief

01:02:11.240 so peter slowly spoke about how media negatively affected that's right his police officer hearing

01:02:18.440 what are your thoughts on both for says i know she stated the commission a little bit more than me so

01:02:22.600 what are your general impression your general thoughts on danny bulford's testimony um he was super

01:02:28.680 precise he said just enough he didn't get too far into um like his personal feelings on any of the

01:02:35.240 matters he was he kept it short but he kept it sweet and that is perfect i think that was that was one of

01:02:41.800 the best testimonies that i've seen thus far not that i have too much of a rating scale they all they're

01:02:46.520 all very important for different reasons but particularly with danny uh i i really liked his remark again about

01:02:52.120 the mainstream media when he he said um you referred to a conversation that he had with a a young officer um

01:02:59.560 just prior to the to the arrival of the convoy in ottawa where the the young police officer admitted that

01:03:05.080 they were indeed uh not expecting the enormity of the convoy and he retorts with something along

01:03:09.960 the lines of well you shouldn't be watching the cbc for your intelligence and i just thought yeah

01:03:14.680 that's absolutely perfect because i know i myself um and other people not just documented it but

01:03:21.240 we're very eager to put online the enormity of the convoy i was in shock i was in shock even in

01:03:27.400 ottawa walking down the streets because i there's no way to measure it yes but the very fact that you

01:03:32.840 couldn't measure it should have said enough i think in a certain way bilford's testimony also

01:03:37.080 echoed uh the testimony given by chris prior to him the motives are very similar now you guys all

01:03:45.000 worked in a certain way to serve your country i know that danny bilford wasn't in the army per se

01:03:49.560 but he was a sniper with the rcmp yeah you're a veteran chris is a veteran you also work to serve

01:03:57.160 your country and then you see what what that led to well there's a couple of uh important things that

01:04:02.760 danny said in that in that little clip there and the the important word that he used was anxiety

01:04:09.800 because the and he mentions the fact that the city was conducting a psychological operation on

01:04:15.960 the truckers because there was things that they did to deliberately heighten the anxiety

01:04:21.320 amongst the truckers especially the families and they were going around uh making statements that

01:04:27.320 they were going to euthanize the dogs in the vehicles if they didn't leave and they were going

01:04:31.960 to get uh children services involved and removed the children from their families in the trucks and so

01:04:39.000 they were constantly uh targeting us with a lot of fear inducing rhetoric to to drive up the anxiety to

01:04:48.280 try to get people to leave so in a sense you know there was a deliberate conscious effort to

01:04:54.760 terrorize the the truckers psychologically induce fear is a form of terrorism yeah and this is what

01:05:01.720 they deliberately engaged in with the assistance of the media and to go back even further we heard

01:05:08.520 testimony earlier where there was uh the the government was happy that the media was going after the

01:05:16.440 convoy as it was rolling here and then we saw that the the government between somebody named alex uh

01:05:23.880 who was public safety for mendocino and somebody in the pmo's office saying we don't want to put too

01:05:30.280 much pressure on them yet because they'll drive out the crazies meaning we'll get rid of our controversial 0.93

01:05:35.800 people ourselves yeah and then they won't have anything to attack yeah they won't have any they won't

01:05:40.520 be able to form a very big negative narrative against us that's right to demonize us again in

01:05:46.360 the media and if you listen to the testimony of every single person this week every single person

01:05:53.000 mentioned the vicious attacks from the legacy media against us every single one i did uh you heard jeremy

01:06:00.680 did today everybody on our side was talking about the vicious attacks by the media and it was sponsored

01:06:07.720 by the government in fact even the police hired a consulting company a media company uh um is there

01:06:15.160 horizons no it's um oh they did hire a PR company right to do this kind of stuff and then the government

01:06:22.840 is just there they've got cbc on their paywall um so you know we i remember being in meetings talking

01:06:31.000 about using alternative media and um in social media yeah as a counter uh so this is why like

01:06:38.440 when i walked by the media the other day i said you guys have been lying for three years and it's

01:06:41.880 probably been 30 years uh based on my my terror in the space time continuum for three years you guys

01:06:48.440 have been been lying i'm not going to talk to you what's the point yeah and i gave them the shortest

01:06:52.840 sound bite i could because i knew that they would just whatever took whatever i said and chop it up

01:06:57.640 and then make it into something vicious yeah no one hundred five i don't disagree with what you're

01:07:02.280 saying at all um yeah i think it's extremely hard to have an independent unbiased media well it's

01:07:08.200 impossible to have an independent media when you're receiving subsidies or when you're being fully funded

01:07:13.880 by the true government how can you give a fair share to alternative voices like a freedom

01:07:19.080 convoy to alternative people when you're getting paid by justin trudeau it's impossible to do that's

01:07:25.240 that's why alternative media is so important all right we're already past seven it's almost seven

01:07:30.120 or ten uh seven ten sorry let's take a look at some of the chats that we have that we that we received

01:07:35.560 tonight all right the first one shona marie g 83 thank you for fighting the good fight much

01:07:44.280 love and respect all the rebels tom and everyone involved you feel like a family to so many of us

01:07:49.960 hashtag trudeau must go be careful your bank account is going to be frozen if you use that hashtag

01:07:53.720 thank you so much for your general generous thank you fifty dollars tonight it's truly appreciated

01:07:59.800 um yeah you come on the show every time you're almost a rebel but we saw eva eva chipyuk today 0.99

01:08:07.320 um we saw a quick uh short short video of eva chipyuk i think that she wants to be rebel news 0.99

01:08:13.480 contributor she stole my microphone trying to sell my job oh well hey maybe there's room with the

01:08:18.360 democracy fund or something i don't know eva's definitely great all right we have any other 0.97

01:08:24.040 other chats from tonight oh another one from shona why you're generous uh shona marie g 83 there's

01:08:32.200 nothing that brings about a gag reflux for me more than decided sound we're asking disgrace of a prime

01:08:39.720 minister he is a disgrace that it's mutual yeah it's mutual just so you know yeah definitely i'm 0.50

01:08:46.920 not gonna lie it uh and i don't like to use the the phrase trigger uh but i i'm not gonna lie it

01:08:53.560 really does uh physically affect me when i hear his voice and i i don't i don't say that in a mean way

01:08:59.880 yeah i say that in a truthful way and um i think i'm a good judge of people with leadership skills

01:09:08.040 i mean i spent my whole life in the military assessing leadership i he's not a leader no 100

01:09:15.800 he's not he is an embarrassment to to canada he's a he is an embarrassment to us when we go 0.89

01:09:22.920 or when he goes overseas and represents canada he doesn't just represent the liberal party of

01:09:27.080 canada he represents all the canadians and i feel embarrassed to have him as a leader as

01:09:31.720 a leader of our country do you have any other chats from tonight

01:09:38.280 all right well it was great seeing all of you all yesterday it was great having you again tom

01:09:43.160 and we didn't get the chance to cover everything that went on today because well we went to a few

01:09:49.000 changes throughout the nightfall there's so much to cover yeah exactly there's so much to cover

01:09:54.120 i know jeremy mckenzie was also one of those who testified the commission in front of the in front

01:09:59.080 of the commission today i shaped his beard as well i didn't recognize him when i entered the group

01:10:04.200 um so that's if you if you want to see everything that went on um at the commission today you can

01:10:09.160 always wait for some of our some of our recap videos but also we live stream the whole commission

01:10:14.760 all every every single day on rebel news canada's youtube channel so if you go on youtube you go on

01:10:21.320 the channel called rebel news canada every week that you will be able to see everything that is

01:10:26.200 going on during the trucker commission yeah and i think for guests or sorry witnesses i i heard a

01:10:32.440 rumor that they're going to summons uh the vice president of diagonal philip the coke addicted time 0.82

01:10:38.600 traveling goat the goat sorry satanic goat satanic goat he's going to be summons to testify next week 0.81

01:10:45.080 but since it's not our week he can time travel so he we might see him again that's right yeah

01:10:51.880 testified today if you want to see his testimony alongside the testimony of maggie of chris uh chris

01:10:57.160 of uh tamara leash tamara leash she she was finished testifying today now she won't be able to talk to 1.00

01:11:02.440 the media for the next few months before her before her trial actually happens in 2023 yeah if you want

01:11:07.960 to see everything that happens to you you can go on rebel news canada and you'll be able to see our our

01:11:12.600 daily live stream where where we stream the whole procedures of the commission also once again a quick

01:11:17.720 reminder on november 19th and november 25th we have the rebel news canada rebel news live events

01:11:23.720 sorry one in calgary the calgary one is on november 25th and the toronto one is on november 19th

01:11:29.960 uh if if you come you will be able to see guests such as samara leash who will be there to speak

01:11:35.320 derek fildebrand palminder singh and a bunch of other guests if you want to see everything about that

01:11:40.200 if you want to learn more about our rebel news live events you can go to rebel news live

01:11:44.280 dot com there you'll be able to buy the tickets as well and finally i just want to do another

01:11:48.920 quick reminder that i'm wearing a tie today and you're not looking for one this is a really nice

01:11:53.320 shirt this is my favorite shirt this is a nice shirt thank you so much everyone for joining us i

01:11:58.200 know it was a long week thank you for sitting through an hour and 15 minutes of tom myself and

01:12:02.920 selene talking about the commission and i hope that you all have a great evening

01:12:07.240 well that would go back partially to my concern about a lone wolf or small cell that could potentially

01:12:20.120 try and leverage the large crowd for their own agenda but i also i also had concerns because i've

01:12:29.960 i've done overwatch at a number of protests and counter protests in ottawa and i've seen

01:12:37.240 with my own eyes how aggressive uh groups related to the antifa movement can be when they are much

01:12:47.720 larger in numbers than the group that they're counter protesting against and how aggressive they can be

01:12:53.240 overrunning the police line as well so when you were referring to instigators who were you referring to

01:13:00.280 well people who were who would deliberately try to initiate a violent interaction with a freedom convoy

01:13:15.560 protester or maybe even someone who would try to infiltrate the crowd with a racist type flag

01:13:26.760 to try and bring discredit to the freedom convoy protester

Rebel News Podcast - November 05, 2022

BREAKDOWN： Trucker Commission Day 17 — Tamara Lich testimony concludes ｜ Ft. Tom Marazzo

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