Rebel News Podcast - BREAKDOWN： Trucker Commission Day 18 ｜ Ft. Eva Chipiuk & Keith Wilson

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00:00:30.240 Well, hello, everyone.

00:00:31.520 Happy Monday, a new week, new week again here in Ottawa

00:00:34.520 at the Emergencies Act Inquiry with the Public Order Emergency Commission.

00:00:39.480 I'm here with Celine Gallus, my fellow Rebel News colleague.

00:00:43.800 I'm also here with the great Eva, Eva Cipiuk,

00:00:48.100 lawyer for Freedom Convoy.

00:00:49.340 How are you doing, Eva?

00:00:50.080 Thank you.

00:00:50.760 I'm doing very well.

00:00:51.620 Nice to be here.

00:00:52.380 Yes, nice to have you on again.

00:00:53.480 And later on, we will also have Freedom Convoy Lord Keith Wilson as well

00:00:57.540 join us on the show.

00:00:59.120 So today, just a quick rundown, super quick,

00:01:02.080 and I have a little bit of housekeeping to do right before we get to the action itself.

00:01:06.620 We saw some pretty interesting, surprisingly, testimonies,

00:01:11.100 even though the crowd was pretty empty.

00:01:14.420 The room was empty.

00:01:15.360 There weren't a lot of people.

00:01:16.320 It was a pretty relaxed and calm day.

00:01:18.760 But some interesting stuff still came out.

00:01:20.820 So today we saw Mayor of Windsor, Andrew Dilkin, testify in front of the commission,

00:01:26.040 as well as Chief Deputy Jason Crawley from the Windsor Police Services.

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00:02:23.340 All right, let's get to it.

00:02:24.400 So Celine, today you live tweeted the whole day from the commission.

00:02:28.880 What were your general impressions?

00:02:31.720 Well, just like we saw last weekend, any of the lawyers that are maybe anti-convoys,

00:02:38.900 a little bit too strong, but we'll call it what it is.

00:02:41.020 The narrative seems to be very similar week to week with what they get when they go up

00:02:46.280 and they actually are asking these witnesses questions.

00:02:48.860 So it's kind of like a poultice is what I'm referring to.

00:02:51.500 Whatever they get from them is usually a part of the same narrative.

00:02:54.560 Not much new information comes into play until we have the convoy organizer lawyers

00:02:59.400 that go up to the stand and they actually cross-examine these witnesses.

00:03:02.800 That is usually when I find I get the most out of my day

00:03:06.220 and those tweets also get the most optics, impressions.

00:03:11.500 Yeah.

00:03:11.940 Of course, always great to hear Brendan Miller and Bathsheba.

00:03:15.880 Miller time.

00:03:16.820 Yeah, cross-examine the witnesses, as well as the GCCF and TDF lawyers as well.

00:03:21.540 Absolutely, yeah.

00:03:22.500 Eva, your thoughts from today's testimonies that we've heard?

00:03:25.820 Well, I just wanted to say that I feel the same way with some of the questions

00:03:29.980 that we've been hearing from other counsel is I do really find, as you were saying,

00:03:34.980 Selene, that when Brendan Miller goes up, he really gets to the heart of why we are all here,

00:03:42.060 whether or not it was justified to enact the Emergencies Act.

00:03:46.720 We really see him zeroing in on that particular issue.

00:03:51.340 And today, I know we were going to talk about this, so I'll just jump right into it,

00:03:55.820 is Brendan Miller put to the mayor from Windsor a document from CSIS.

00:04:02.940 So if we're going to be talking about the Emergencies Act,

00:04:05.800 if we're going to be talking about whether there was a national security threat,

00:04:09.680 who are we going to be asking the question of?

00:04:11.700 It's CSIS.

00:04:12.480 That's the Federal Intelligence Department.

00:04:15.820 Yeah.

00:04:16.180 So he brought that up.

00:04:17.300 And what did it say on February 13th is it said,

00:04:20.740 our recommendation is not to invoke the Emergencies Act,

00:04:25.140 because that will actually, in my words, in my summary, cause more harm than good.

00:04:30.860 He was concerned that it would elicit more extremist views and more violence,

00:04:36.320 because people were concerned about the breakdown with the system and the government.

00:04:42.400 But so you see that kind of evidence come through and it's nobody else is talking about it.

00:04:48.420 Yeah, exactly.

00:04:49.420 Yeah.

00:04:49.620 I know that I saw that CTV, I edited one of their articles and kind of posted about it

00:04:54.700 afterwards, after the fact.

00:04:56.240 Right.

00:04:56.460 But I think being in that room, like that was so significant.

00:05:00.380 I was, I mean, like, you know, it kind of comes with the Miller brand,

00:05:04.120 you know, whenever he goes up there, I'm a little bit in shock.

00:05:06.280 I never know what's going to, what's going to happen.

00:05:08.660 He just zeros in, like you said, and then it's like, bam, it's Miller time.

00:05:12.400 Closes his notebook, he says, thank you.

00:05:13.860 And then he just goes and it's fantastic every time.

00:05:17.120 So this was significant and you're right.

00:05:19.140 Not enough people are talking about that yet.

00:05:21.200 It says it point blank and that's something that's been missing.

00:05:24.360 Yeah.

00:05:24.520 Well, let's take a look at the document itself.

00:05:26.140 If we could show it once again on the screen,

00:05:27.520 if you could just do a little rundown document.

00:05:29.480 So what should we understand from this?

00:05:33.640 So the significant point that I was referring to and that Brendan Miller,

00:05:37.440 actually what he did was he read it into the record.

00:05:41.380 So it was the third bullet point there.

00:05:44.460 And there's no way I could read it from here on the screen,

00:05:47.140 but you could see it's, this is thesis notes and it's dated February 13th.

00:05:52.120 And basically it says similar to what I said is that,

00:05:55.920 and I guess everyone can read it for themselves, but invoking the emergencies act

00:06:04.100 can cause more harm with increased violence and increased extremist views.

00:06:13.040 Yeah.

00:06:13.480 So, you know, you look at something like that,

00:06:16.760 you're getting that straight from the top and you question immediately why the next day,

00:06:22.260 the federal government invoked the emergencies act, who are they listening to?

00:06:26.740 Yeah, exactly.

00:06:27.560 And tying that into Crowley's testimony afterwards,

00:06:30.180 just to jump ahead a little bit, just to get to this point,

00:06:33.580 he said actually twice, I remember that he was not sure if it was necessary to invoke it in the end

00:06:40.020 based on the rest of his testimony.

00:06:42.560 So even with them invoking it, and we saw what happened in Ottawa,

00:06:45.780 we saw what happened in Windsor, Ontario at that blockade,

00:06:48.940 still Deputy Chief Jason Crowley said that it was,

00:06:53.380 he implied it was not necessary.

00:06:54.640 And he said that multiple times through his testimony.

00:06:56.780 I actually didn't mind listening to his testimony.

00:06:58.680 It was not the worst.

00:06:59.920 That's not even the first time that we heard that.

00:07:01.760 So a little while ago, we heard that the OPP officer,

00:07:04.820 I believe it was Marcel Baudin,

00:07:06.420 might be him,

00:07:06.940 might be another person who gave a document to the federal government,

00:07:10.960 to federal cabinet suggesting that they should negotiate with a protester

00:07:14.580 instead of invoking the emergencies act.

00:07:16.160 The cabinet at that same meeting where they invoked the act,

00:07:20.860 took a look at the document,

00:07:22.640 threw it away, 0.88

00:07:23.860 and decided to invoke the emergencies act.

00:07:25.860 Anyway, it's not the first time that we hear the police say something to the federal government

00:07:30.980 and the federal government doing the exact opposite.

00:07:33.600 Second time, I believe, at least.

00:07:35.320 Yeah.

00:07:35.500 Well, unless I completely missed it,

00:07:37.620 but I have not heard one witness thus far say that it was something we needed

00:07:41.280 and it was something that we used, the emergencies act.

00:07:43.720 Yes, and what's really important from what we've heard today is today it was just Windsor,

00:07:48.940 about Windsor 100%.

00:07:50.500 So it was the mayor of Windsor and the chief of police, I think, is his role for Windsor.

00:07:57.360 And both witnesses, you know,

00:07:59.460 what really stood out and what everyone in Canada needs to be reminded of

00:08:04.500 is the blockades that were there were already gone before the emergencies act was invoked.

00:08:11.200 So how could either of these witnesses say that's something we needed,

00:08:14.900 that's something we asked for when the blockades, the protest was already gone?

00:08:19.420 Yeah.

00:08:19.980 I want to talk about the part.

00:08:21.860 I'm not sure if we have any clips from that yet from the day,

00:08:24.420 but specifically when they were mentioning, again, jumping ahead a little bit,

00:08:28.340 but this part really stood out to me.

00:08:29.800 It bothered me is all the claims that the protesters were using children,

00:08:34.440 physically using children as body shields.

00:08:37.260 So I mean, like physically picking up your child and being like,

00:08:40.020 you can't hurt me.

00:08:41.040 And just like having them between the police lines.

00:08:44.600 Crowley towards the end said, he did say this.

00:08:47.640 He said that when asked by Miller, I need to find that clip by Miller.

00:08:52.160 He said, well,

00:08:53.020 it was enough hard evidence for me when I saw children standing in a line and like

00:08:57.560 holding hands, like that was enough for me to believe the claims.

00:09:00.160 And you know what the misinformation from the mainstream media and the other

00:09:04.420 police reports, it's just a bunch of hearsay.

00:09:07.040 Yeah.

00:09:07.680 Well, before we continue, because we've been talking for a little while yet,

00:09:10.880 let's take a look at that clip so that everyone can see.

00:09:13.100 Yes. Perfect.

00:09:14.020 What we're talking about.

00:09:17.260 Confirmation bias.

00:09:18.500 Strategic analysis must be driven by direct evidence collection and

00:09:23.440 assessment as opposed to reliance on social media posting as it lacks

00:09:28.520 context and where the poster's bias may not be considered.

00:09:33.360 Would you agree with that?

00:09:36.120 Potentially, yes.

00:09:36.960 But I can say that, like I said, I don't even think I saw this,

00:09:39.260 but when it talks about real evidence,

00:09:41.540 when I heard the protesters themselves on the open chat talking about human

00:09:46.680 shields, children as human shields and seeing a picture with children holding

00:09:51.400 hands across the intersection at here in church and college in the early

00:09:55.260 stages, that's hard evidence for me.

00:09:58.160 Okay.

00:09:58.220 And, of course, you followed up on investigating that and making sure that, you know, that wasn't

00:10:04.700 an issue?

00:10:05.440 Our special investigations unit was definitely involved in the deal with the children, the

00:10:11.180 crimes against children, along with CAS for sure.

00:10:13.720 Okay.

00:10:13.920 And you can agree there that the report there from the 12th from OPP says no persons were

00:10:20.400 observed outside, there was no children were observed, but believed to be inside a camper.

00:10:27.280 If we can scroll down.

00:10:30.060 Only Canadian flags observed.

00:10:32.980 That's it.

00:10:33.420 So you can agree based on that report, as of the 12th, according to the OPP, that wasn't

00:10:40.120 really an issue.

00:10:41.480 Not at this time, for sure.

00:10:42.740 And, again, we, you agree possibly with what I said to you with respect to essentially the

00:10:50.500 validity of relying on social media alone, right?

00:10:53.620 We did not rely on it alone, but I would agree with that.

00:10:55.960 You cannot rely on it alone, yes.

00:10:57.540 Thank you.

00:10:58.160 Thank you.

00:11:01.220 So if I could jump into this right away is, let's talk about evidence for a second.

00:11:06.400 So that's something, you know, we've talked a lot about.

00:11:08.740 You mentioned hearsay.

00:11:09.640 Um, and I would love if somebody could put up on the screen, what the, what the Facebook

00:11:16.940 post was.

00:11:18.640 Okay.

00:11:19.140 So, um, we, we can't do that right now.

00:11:21.140 So I'll encourage you just to watch.

00:11:22.680 So what the question was right before is you would see the document and this was brought

00:11:28.420 up by the federal government.

00:11:29.840 So they brought up, they called them tweets.

00:11:33.860 If you actually look at the evidence, it was a Facebook post.

00:11:36.680 So they didn't even get the source correct, which is not great.

00:11:40.020 Yeah.

00:11:40.120 Um, and then what it was is just unidentified and, uh, Brendan Miller confirmed that in the

00:11:47.340 cross-examination just before this clip started is he said, do you know who this person is?

00:11:52.740 Yeah.

00:11:53.020 Was this person identified?

00:11:54.440 Were they even in Windsor?

00:11:55.780 Do you have any information to corroborate what is said?

00:11:59.100 And if you look at that post, the words aren't even spelled correctly.

00:12:03.580 So this is what the federal government was using to put to, um, this, you know, chief

00:12:10.520 of police about human shields.

00:12:12.860 That's the evidence they brought unidentified, uh, uncertain who, where, what, when, how.

00:12:19.140 Then you go down one, two pages to an OPP intelligence report.

00:12:24.260 And you saw right there, it said no children were observed.

00:12:28.240 So we have the government of Canada using a Facebook post by some unidentified person versus

00:12:38.420 OPP intelligence information.

00:12:41.780 So even going back to our discussion before about credible CSIS information not being used

00:12:47.320 here, we have credible OPP information, intelligence information not being used rather where the

00:12:54.520 government is looking at a Facebook comment.

00:12:59.420 It's really incredible.

00:13:00.580 Isn't it?

00:13:01.360 Like when you, when you break it down and thank you so much for bringing more context to this,

00:13:05.780 because I think this is such an important, uh, part of, uh, the testimonies from today.

00:13:11.300 Children, like, uh, just the narrative again, it's, it's very similar to what we're seeing.

00:13:16.220 They continue to paint the narrative as if these protesters are these dangerous, very, very

00:13:20.060 violent people.

00:13:20.780 So to the point that they would use their own children as a body shields to deter police

00:13:25.160 from taking action again, like you already reiterated.

00:13:28.960 And we saw today, um, that blockade was disassembled even before the emergencies act was evoked.

00:13:34.880 Um, and there were no children that were reported except for some that were within a campers safe,

00:13:40.420 warm and with their families, I would assume.

00:13:42.500 So really incredulous, really riveting.

00:13:46.360 It's really hard to watch when you see, you actually look at the evidence that is being

00:13:52.020 used to justify anything.

00:13:54.120 You know, the evidence is not a Facebook comment.

00:13:56.860 No goodness.

00:13:57.900 I would hope not.

00:13:59.140 In that case, I've got a lot of evidence for some cases myself.

00:14:02.380 My goodness.

00:14:03.020 Check those comment sections.

00:14:04.280 You know, it's gotta be true.

00:14:06.300 All right.

00:14:06.960 Well, thanks so much for joining us.

00:14:08.800 Eva, I noticed you have to go somewhere with, uh, some other people tonight to a certain

00:14:13.020 events at a certain location here in Ottawa.

00:14:17.580 So thank you so much for your time.

00:14:19.160 I look forward to seeing you, seeing you again soon.

00:14:21.020 Thanks for coming on.

00:14:21.800 Let's go on a quick ad break.

00:14:23.640 And then when we come back, we will have Freedom Convoy lawyer, Keith Wilson, come on.

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00:17:15.380 All right, we have on with us Keith Wilson.

00:17:17.900 And lawyer for Freedom Corp.

00:17:20.540 How are you doing, Keith?

00:17:21.300 I'm doing great.

00:17:21.820 How are you?

00:17:22.440 Good, good.

00:17:22.900 It was a slower day yesterday.

00:17:24.340 I saw, yeah, you guys came in there later, later during the day at the commission.

00:17:28.300 Well, you know, we've transitioned now from having the police witnesses, the municipal witnesses,

00:17:34.520 and then the Freedom Convoy folks themselves.

00:17:37.760 And we're now in this almost sidebar dealing with the border protests with Cootes and Windsor.

00:17:44.000 So I think we all expected it to be a little bit slower.

00:17:49.480 We're always working on what we need to do 3Ds ahead of time, all the parties are, because

00:17:54.800 we have to disclose all the documents that we're going to be cross-examining on.

00:17:59.280 We get our time allocations for cross.

00:18:01.560 And so even if the day itself seems a little slower, it doesn't mean back at HQ things

00:18:09.020 are very slow.

00:18:10.180 And what, so we know that we have the Windsor protesters right now.

00:18:13.140 We also have the Cootes protesters.

00:18:15.200 What do you think were, we can expect to see come out from their testimonies?

00:18:19.600 Well, I think, you know, I think the events at Cootes and Windsor were resolved prior to

00:18:31.880 Trudeau deciding to invoke the Emergencies Act.

00:18:34.580 And that's what's absolutely critical.

00:18:36.400 The only protest or event that was still occurring in Canada when Trudeau and his cabinet made

00:18:43.800 the decision was the protests in Ottawa, which we were in the process of implementing a

00:18:48.300 de-escalation deal with the mayor.

00:18:50.420 So it's difficult for the government to redeem itself by saying, oh, look at the bad things

00:18:59.640 that were happening at Windsor, look at the bad things that were happening at Cootes, because

00:19:02.840 they were all over.

00:19:03.760 Yeah.

00:19:04.680 What does happen, though, is because these, the RCMP involved in Cootes are a party to

00:19:12.180 this, they had to disclose hundreds, in some instances, thousands.

00:19:16.160 And we literally are well over 50,000 documents in terms of pages now.

00:19:21.460 So we data mine through those and we come across documents, as you saw today, with the CSIS

00:19:28.440 briefing that briefed the cabinet on three different instances and basically said, not only do you,

00:19:36.620 should you not be invoking the Emergencies Act, you don't have what it takes, but it's actually

00:19:41.280 a bad idea.

00:19:42.440 Yeah.

00:19:43.060 And in face of that, our, our, um, our prime minister who has demonstrated very thin skin

00:19:52.320 and an inability to withstand any kind of criticism decided to proceed with invoking it to give

00:19:58.460 him the excuse to bring in police with sticks and clubs and tear gas and, and, uh, don't forget

00:20:05.500 the right horses, let's not forget those.

00:20:07.220 And the horses to trample, to trample Canadians' rights, both physically and, uh, legally.

00:20:14.240 Yeah.

00:20:14.820 Yeah.

00:20:15.120 No, of course.

00:20:15.940 All right.

00:20:16.160 So we've spoken a little bit about Mayor Dilkin's testimony.

00:20:18.780 We've also spoken about, um, the, the, the, the Windsor Police Services officers' testimony.

00:20:24.980 Let's take a look at clip number one.

00:20:27.520 Let's take a look at part of Mayor Dilkin's testimony where he talks about, um, the fact

00:20:32.420 that in his view, the nature of the protests were unprecedented.

00:20:37.560 Take a look at that.

00:20:38.420 But it was just, it was, it was the, the nature and sort of the spirit of the protest.

00:20:43.620 It was unlike anything I've ever seen, you know, I've lived my whole life in the city

00:20:47.360 of Windsor.

00:20:47.820 It's unlike anything I've ever seen during that time.

00:20:50.320 Uh, and the, the posture and the language was, you know, it was, it was almost as if

00:20:58.280 folks wanted some sort of brawl on the streets.

00:21:02.360 You know, they were hoping police would engage in that way so they could have some sort of,

00:21:06.120 you know, brawl on the streets.

00:21:08.060 If I can describe it that way.

00:21:11.920 How'd you make it, Vesaline?

00:21:13.800 I mean, I tried not to laugh while I heard it in the media room.

00:21:18.860 Like I, I did my best because again, it's the, it's the same painting them as these

00:21:24.280 violent people.

00:21:25.200 I mean, if hot tubs and bouncy castles are, they emit the atmosphere of brawl, like or

00:21:32.220 bar fight ish, whatever is synonymous to feeling the, the, the tensions in a room or in a place

00:21:38.780 where you would consider it to be so dangerous that you anticipate a brawl or people are, it

00:21:43.420 just doesn't make sense to me.

00:21:44.580 Again, I was at these places.

00:21:45.660 Like I, I was at these places.

00:21:47.680 It's enough said for me to just know.

00:21:49.820 I mean, I don't think the mayor of Windsor did this mayor could be mayor of Ottawa.

00:21:52.940 If he thinks that this is a huge protest, I mean, Ottawa would get things as big as this

00:21:57.880 often.

00:21:58.520 He, the Windsor wasn't the place where the convoy was at the end of the day.

00:22:02.080 That was Ottawa.

00:22:02.980 Yeah.

00:22:03.780 Well, what are your thoughts on his, on his comments?

00:22:05.720 Well, I've got two thoughts.

00:22:06.640 I mean, the first is one of the concerns at all times while I was here in Ottawa and the

00:22:13.700 lead volunteers here in Ottawa was about the truckers keeping their cool.

00:22:18.340 You know, Jordan Peterson talked about the truckers keeping their cool.

00:22:21.940 Tucker Carlson talked about the truckers keeping their cool.

00:22:24.800 Um, uh, and so many others.

00:22:28.320 And that was one of the things that really impressed me about the protesters here in

00:22:33.360 Ottawa is how they were acutely aware that what the prime minister and some of the police

00:22:38.780 wanted was exactly that.

00:22:40.540 If they wanted to start a brawl, they would have started a brawl. 1.00

00:22:44.220 Oh, for sure they could have.

00:22:45.540 It took a lot of energy and effort and it was remarkable.

00:22:48.540 The absence of any form of violence, the low statistics on crime compared to any other

00:22:54.540 gathering of anything close to this scale or even a fraction of it.

00:22:58.740 So that's one point.

00:22:59.740 The other point though is, um, and it's a really important one and it's this, the reason

00:23:06.640 why these protests occurred, the reason why so many Canadians came out at all these different

00:23:13.200 places was never before in the history of our country.

00:23:17.000 Did they have governments impose themselves with restrictions on the most basic human

00:23:22.540 rights, fundamental liberties, basic liberties never before did Canadians experience playgrounds

00:23:29.200 and outdoor hockey rinks, um, uh, cordoned off with police tape and teenagers being wrestled

00:23:37.680 to the ground because they had the audacity to be out getting some exercise and playing some

00:23:42.100 hockey.

00:23:42.560 I never before did government think it was a good idea to tell us that we couldn't be

00:23:47.500 with our families at Christmas and at birthdays and at anniversaries and at Thanksgiving or

00:23:52.640 be at the side of a dying loved one or help and care for someone after they got discharged

00:23:57.000 from hospital or travel across the country.

00:23:59.120 I could keep going.

00:24:00.060 We cannot lose sight of how fundamentally far this government and the provincial governments

00:24:08.000 overstepped and overreacted and the harm that they've done.

00:24:13.120 And that's why we're here in this inquiry and it's going to keep coming out.

00:24:16.600 Yeah.

00:24:16.780 I was really pleased with, um, all of the witnesses last week telling their stories and, and explaining

00:24:23.360 how it had hurt them and their children and their neighbors and their communities.

00:24:28.300 So, um, there should be no surprise by any elected official, whether it's the mayor of

00:24:34.340 Windsor or anyone else as to why there was an unprecedented protest.

00:24:38.780 It's because there was an unprecedented overreach in the most un-Canadian way imaginable by these 0.60

00:24:44.920 governments.

00:24:45.300 And the last holdout was Justin Trudeau.

00:24:49.720 What a lot of people don't remember is the G7 countries did not have a restriction preventing

00:24:55.700 unvaccinated from traveling within their country.

00:24:58.660 Yeah.

00:24:58.860 They did not do these things.

00:25:00.680 Canada was an anomaly and it was clearly, and you guys know that I'm also legal counsel

00:25:05.900 to former Premier Brian Feckford on the charter, the travel mandate challenge.

00:25:09.640 So I had the opportunity to cross examine, uh, all of the key government officials.

00:25:13.420 None of them recommended that the vaccine mandate we've seen, we saw in that case, and we're

00:25:19.500 seeing it yet again, that this is political puppeteering by the prime minister and the

00:25:25.440 people around him and his cabinet to put forward their very cynical political game.

00:25:31.060 You know, I've got three things to say about what you just said.

00:25:33.820 So first of all, you know, what's ironic is that the reason why the truckers work here

00:25:37.880 is because civil liberties of Canadians, according to them, were infringed.

00:25:40.500 They felt like we didn't have any civil liberties.

00:25:42.940 The government wasn't respecting our charters.

00:25:44.640 And what did Justin Trudeau do to get rid of the protests and did infringe on those charter

00:25:49.600 rights even more than by invoking the Emergencies Act?

00:25:52.360 That's extremely ironic to me.

00:25:53.800 Second thing you said, you also mentioned how it was tough to keep cool, to keep the truckers

00:25:59.800 calm during the convicts, make sure none of them get aggressive.

00:26:03.300 But one person who we saw wasn't able to keep his calm was Glenn McGregor.

00:26:07.800 When Tamara Leash got out of the Ottawa courthouse after her bail hearing and the judge told 0.54

00:26:14.260 her she was allowed to get off jail and visit her family once again.

00:26:18.240 Let's take a look at how Glenn McGregor conducted him in his cell back in July.

00:26:24.000 Take a look at that.

00:26:24.540 Hey, I knew you were filming this too, huh?

00:26:34.200 Yeah.

00:26:34.640 Yeah.

00:26:34.660 I knew you were filming this too, huh?

00:26:36.040 Yeah.

00:26:36.660 I knew you were filming this.

00:26:37.640 Is she open?

00:26:38.800 Yes!

00:26:39.800 We love you, Tamara!

00:26:44.380 Ha-ha-ha! 1.00

00:26:44.980 We love you all! 1.00

00:26:45.420 Holy fuck! 1.00

00:26:50.500 Hey, give us a look please! 1.00

00:26:52.280 Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey!

00:26:57.420 Hey! 0.99

00:26:57.800 Hey! 0.99

00:26:58.800 Whoa, watch the bean beim! 0.52

00:27:00.120 Hey, get off your pants! 1.00

00:27:09.320 Run! 0.68

00:27:13.320 that's what i tweeted today because i i saw someone retweeted this tweet from back in july

00:27:31.880 from me um i tweeted today that's ctv's finest glad mcgregor i think there's a reason why he's

00:27:37.620 not in the inquiry he knows that when he sees the evidence go the wrong way he won't be able

00:27:42.700 to keep his cool i think this right you're just so unprofessionals and this guy pushed and there

00:27:48.400 are protesters that was there it's not the first time he did it the first time he did it was actually

00:27:52.940 at the february 3rd press conference right after i'd arrived and as we were leaving the press

00:27:59.380 conference room and we went into the broader hallway i was at the back of the group tamara was further 1.00

00:28:05.860 up with chris barber and others and myself and danny bulford were in the last of the group that's

00:28:11.540 just as we were entering a stairwell uh mr mcgregor who's apparently acquired the nickname punchy

00:28:18.180 mcgregor and quite aptly so came in with both sets of elbows and elbowed myself and uh mr bulford in

00:28:26.220 the chest aggressively in an effort to get in front of us to get up the stairs to go after tamara 0.99

00:28:30.580 so it's a different uh different style it kind of reminded me of um you know the old wwf wrestling

00:28:38.060 you know maybe he'd be better to go back and cover that and get in the ring and throw a chair or

00:28:43.680 something it seems to be about his caliber i think he'd be comfortable going in one of those events

00:28:47.540 that would be his his environment he'd be comfortable going there i don't think that's the only time as

00:28:51.760 well that he's trying to cause trouble i think back in february once again he tried to get in your

00:28:56.340 hotel room good quick interview i've been pursued by mr mcgregor into elevators and into rooms yes

00:29:03.920 this is highly motivated it's unbelievable no it's just insane i mean re-watching that footage i'm

00:29:10.320 like you really it's like it's a joke to me i'm like how can you have the audacity to do something

00:29:15.840 like that like you want to underline what it means to have like microaggressions like you see

00:29:20.400 somebody and you're just immediately like so mad that you just physically assault everyone around

00:29:25.600 you yeah it's hilarious like what is wrong with people i wonder if matthew fleury the same counselor

00:29:31.440 would think that's a microaggression i think you might need to ask him in french matthew fleury

00:29:35.480 my question because otherwise i don't think he understands the questions out of uh of the people

00:29:43.540 but there's william there's there's another thing as well that she said one last thing from what she

00:29:48.700 said and it really struck with me um when the pandemic started i was doing speed skating i did

00:29:54.060 professional i did i did sports for a long time not professional um and we were told that we weren't

00:30:00.340 allowed to practice our sport because of the pandemic now i know a lot of people had meltdowns

00:30:06.120 because of it now i don't know a lot of people that got into depression because they weren't allowed 0.98

00:30:09.700 to practice their sport yeah and the most idiotic thing that we saw is that as a speed skating club or as 0.91

00:30:17.680 a hockey club we weren't allowed to practice train in environment that are safe and secure 0.98

00:30:24.900 but they were allowing 50 to 100 people to go on the ice with their parents just to free skate

00:30:31.040 that that's an incoherent regulation that was imposed by the government well i'm sorry but you

00:30:37.160 also can't forget about the case of mayor patrick brown uh from brampton i believe going and playing

00:30:42.360 hockey with his buddies out in the rink while everyone else was absolutely in a lockdown in

00:30:47.920 their house and you know was prosecuted if they did anything others so yeah that's right yeah i get

00:30:53.960 you there yeah that's right fantastic by menzies yeah what i think this all highlights for all of us

00:30:59.520 is that we've probably underestimated um and not really appreciated how important

00:31:07.580 being able to pursue your passions your hobbies uh interacting with others is to a normal life

00:31:15.880 yeah you know and when we deprive kids of their opportunity to participate in in whether it's you

00:31:22.740 know judo or speed skating or skateboarding uh or uh 4-h if you're on the prairies or scouts and girl

00:31:31.800 guides it really has an impact for social beings and this myopic single focus that the health

00:31:39.260 authorities had of save every senior citizen at all costs no matter how great yeah socially

00:31:46.180 developmentally um and economically was an absolute policy failure and the ripple effect

00:31:55.760 and you even saw it mentioned in the csesis document today is people have fundamentally lost

00:32:02.860 trust in the institutions that they thought were what makes living in canada a good thing

00:32:09.640 everywhere from the doctors and the public health officials to the educators to the um uh to the courts

00:32:16.680 to the police they people never thought the police would use a lot of people never thought the police

00:32:22.140 would use this level of violence on unarmed peaceful protesters so um uh the good thing about this

00:32:29.100 inquiry is it's forcing some of these things to come back into the discussion yeah i mean of course

00:32:34.420 the legacy media is barely covering it all they're just trying to keep their paymaster happy and meet

00:32:39.900 payroll um which is unfortunate and thank goodness for guys like you well i think that's the reason

00:32:44.640 why the convoid was so big that people were fed up with these incoherent and authoritarian

00:32:49.260 policies unjustified policies that were implemented all in the name of science it was a long time

00:32:55.820 coming for sure that was a long two years you've got one person the u.s was dr fauci you had one man

00:33:01.740 who was in control of the whole whole health establishment you had one person here to

00:33:07.620 theresa tam who was in control of kenny's life it's it's absolutely unbelievable all right let's

00:33:13.600 throw to clip number three and afterwards we'll go on a little bit more about justin trudeau and

00:33:18.200 duck for because we saw some comments and some decisions that were taken in relation to both

00:33:23.080 these men's at stay would it be fair to say that that the two parts of this conversation we saw you

00:33:29.620 having with minister medicino mr minister medicino was incorrect about whether or not the chief mizuno

00:33:35.840 had requested resources and was also incorrect as to the the type of assistance that was offered by cbsa

00:33:42.400 i think what happened when i received that message from minister mendicino and my response was wrong

00:33:47.860 i called the chief immediately to make sure i understand what understood what was going on

00:33:53.040 the chief explained to me that in the conversation that she had had with commissioner karik that at that

00:34:00.280 precise moment in time they weren't asking for any more because officers were coming in and she didn't

00:34:07.100 know how many officers were coming in i understood okay and it was also your understanding then that

00:34:13.580 there was a plan in place as early as february 10th to dismantle this protest is that correct

00:34:18.920 well i i knew that officers were coming in i did not know the chief could not tell me how many

00:34:26.140 officers were coming in nor was i aware of how long it would take to resolve the issue

00:34:31.660 what'd you make of that william well i was about to ask you you know um i think i think all the

00:34:39.380 comments that were made today were pretty interesting when you look at the relation between the city and

00:34:42.980 the police i think as we saw from the beginning from all the testimonies there were some issues when

00:34:49.660 it comes to coordinating oh the department i think that's an understatement that there's there were

00:34:54.740 some issues especially when they got there nice most of their not today not today it's been a it's been a long

00:35:02.060 day um yeah i guess when you gather majority of your intelligence from mainstream media reports um

00:35:08.740 you know you could be discredited with what you say going after the fact that uh both the um

00:35:15.740 uh ops uh opp that were stationed in ottawa all revealed that they were severely

00:35:21.740 um overwhelmed by the amount of um protesters that actually showed up and obviously it was the

00:35:26.780 same at windsor and i'm gonna go on a on a limb here and say that once it gets to coots we're gonna

00:35:32.420 find that it's the same thing because again when you listen to mainstream media you're bound to get

00:35:36.460 some disinformation so i'm i'm not shocked i'm not surprised what do you think keith well it's more of a

00:35:43.580 pattern you know that um that the level of disorganization the level of confusion um is been

00:35:52.340 remarkable uh at all levels i think this is also um have been a process of revealing how incompetent

00:36:01.940 our governments really are imagine if this was a real threat right if this had been an actual threat

00:36:08.060 and this is how it was dealt with when it was actually very peaceful i'm very afraid uh it's bad

00:36:14.180 to say but it actually worries me living in this country and thinking if it was an actual threat this

00:36:18.860 is how my government would have handled it it's ridiculous it's an embarrassment i think they had

00:36:23.060 the tools and they have the they had the capacities to handle it well yes for sure if we didn't have

00:36:27.820 justin true as a prime minister any corrupt scandal plagued liberal cabinet running our country

00:36:34.220 i think they would have been able to listen to the opp and tell i think they would have been able to

00:36:38.440 open their eyes and say yeah let's negotiate with these structures there's more than a thousand of

00:36:43.340 them that came to ottawa there must be a reason why they're here i think if we didn't have an

00:36:48.220 competent government in power right now yeah this would have been dealt a lot better than it was dealt

00:36:53.180 with right now well yeah because it's an understatement think even farther back than that none of the

00:36:57.340 draconian and unscientific um covid mandates would have been put into place uh provincially federally or

00:37:04.180 through the municipality so it's it goes so far back it's very needed no like this this wouldn't be

00:37:11.640 happening i guess it's kind of like you know all hypothetical at this point but it's an interesting

00:37:17.220 line of thought i do sometimes get myself lost and i think what it shows too is that um very early on

00:37:24.720 in the ottawa protests there were senior officials saying bring in an intermediary bring in a mediator

00:37:32.560 bring in a negotiator let's open up a line of communication and dialogue and that's the

00:37:40.000 canadian way of doing things i mean you guys are too young to remember this but canada was once

00:37:45.100 famous for having our blue hat military which was the peace make the peacekeepers right they would

00:37:50.620 wear blue helmets rather blue not blue hats uh and blue bulletproof vests and they would go to

00:37:56.000 conflict zones and they would go between the parties who were warring and killing one another

00:38:00.620 yeah um and and try and facilitate a peaceful process that used to be one of the things that

00:38:06.480 canada stood for and the bureaucracy and some of the senior officials were calling on that

00:38:11.760 um but at every turn the prime minister wanted no part of it i think he was having a temper tantrum in

00:38:18.260 his office and screaming at people and throwing things there's probably a reason whenever you see a

00:38:22.900 picture of his desk there seems to be nothing on it they probably got tired of having things thrown

00:38:27.920 at them so they keep stuff off his desk but um uh it's clear that uh the adults in the room were

00:38:35.660 trying to encourage the prime minister in his cabinet to take a canadian approach and he opted not

00:38:41.300 yeah and uh i think we're all going to work to redefine canada back to the canada that we all once knew

00:38:47.340 100 percent yeah no i totally agree with you all right doug ford we heard said the judge said

00:38:54.060 he didn't have to appear in front of the committee uh in front of the commission what'd you make of that

00:39:00.320 well um i hadn't studied the case law on uh the powers the limitations on the powers of the federal

00:39:10.260 government to compel and subpoena a sitting uh provincial politician but um as you may have

00:39:17.400 figured out that uh brendan miller our lead barrister on the team is literally a walking version of

00:39:24.480 legal wikipedia and as soon as word came out uh that this was being challenged by doug ford he turned

00:39:32.600 to the brendan turned to us our legal team and said ford's gonna win and the reason he said ford was

00:39:38.400 gonna win is that they're even sighted the case off the top of his head is people probably don't

00:39:42.820 notice this most of the time when he objects he always cites a case right on point you know off

00:39:47.320 the top of his head uh when he's objecting but uh the case law says that um uh the federal government

00:39:55.460 cannot compel uh a sitting provincial member of parliament or member of a legislative assembly to

00:40:03.620 a federal inquiry they relied on that provision uh so i'm not terribly surprised but you know you

00:40:11.720 don't you don't have to refuse in other words the law doesn't say that the premier can't for

00:40:19.580 yes exactly it just says he can't be forced to come so i don't understand why he would not have

00:40:26.120 wanted to uh make himself available um politicians often tell us that they believe in transparency and

00:40:34.680 openness and you know uh showing up at a designated time at a public inquiry and being asked some

00:40:42.260 questions and providing some truthful answers is a really good kind of hallmark of transparency and

00:40:48.700 openness so i think you said befored opted not to take that route and i guess we'll never know why

00:40:53.640 you said it perfectly yourself they tell us that they care about transparency but katherine mckinney

00:40:59.020 told us that she cared about transparency while running away from my questions and not being able to

00:41:04.740 state a clear position on whether or not she believes freedom of speech is an important value in society

00:41:10.760 as part of our kind of canine charter of rights and freedoms and she wasn't able to state to the public

00:41:15.500 a clear position on her views of freedom of speech i think it shows cowardness from forth but i don't

00:41:22.020 think it's surprising i think it's it's in line with everything he's been doing for the past um

00:41:26.020 for the past years right we have you on for only a few minutes now if you could just tell us quickly

00:41:31.520 what you thought ford could bring to the inquiry why you thought it would be important for him to come

00:41:37.460 on and then afterwards i think we have a chat for you and we'll let you go sure well i mean um the

00:41:43.080 provincial government played an important role partly because of the role of the opp but more

00:41:47.820 importantly um why is it that ford decided to declare their provincial emergency um what resources

00:41:55.940 was he planning to make available uh for the government to to use and uh what communications

00:42:04.200 did he have with the prime minister at the critical times yeah so what did the prime minister know and when

00:42:09.480 did he know it uh so these are all important things that could have come out if he had chosen to

00:42:14.340 come forward and be transparent and and accessible yeah would have been fun to have him on are you

00:42:20.680 kidding of course it would have been all right i think that we have a chat for keith wilson before we

00:42:26.520 let him go can we can we take a look at uh at that saw one earlier all right do you want to read it

00:42:35.340 sure it's yeah it's pretty small so from rum bully i believe rumbly are the convoy lawyers going to call

00:42:44.560 on the freedom doctors as witnesses to show how ridiculous the mandates were okay there's a few

00:42:52.020 things there yeah one of the things that people who are watching this are struggling with because i can

00:42:57.940 tell by the number of emails and messages i get every day this is not a trial to adjudicate every

00:43:04.920 aspect of what's happened in our lives in the last two and a half years that's why we don't deal with

00:43:10.520 certain issues like um there were some people upset with me because of some comments that were made about

00:43:17.480 how the propane and fuel were stored at coventry and it was stored remarkably well it was like

00:43:25.720 brilliant how they had set up a cage system it was just perfect yeah but whether or not fuel was stored

00:43:33.340 properly or improperly is irrelevant as to whether or not the conditions were present to invoke the

00:43:38.880 emergencies act yes exactly so we're not here to adjudicate every aspect whether or not the mandates

00:43:45.680 were medically justified and i don't think they are and that's the evidence that came out under oath

00:43:51.080 when i cross-examined 16 federal government witnesses in the peckford charter challenge travel mandate

00:43:56.560 challenge is irrelevant to whether or not the government was uh justified in invoking the

00:44:04.060 emergencies act and stripping canadians of their rights so i know it's frustrating to watch the law is

00:44:09.620 a very compartmentalized process and it's focused by by design um so this is not the place to adjudicate that

00:44:21.520 we were hoping to have that very question adjudicated by the federal court in the peckford case

00:44:27.760 and we spent so much time and effort and energy in getting there with our own experts and 15 000 pages of

00:44:33.560 evidence until the federal government brought an application to strike that on the basis of mootness

00:44:38.260 i won't go further we can talk about that another time um but the final point i was going to make on this

00:44:44.120 is list of witnesses we originally submitted a list of 23 witnesses that we expanded to 28

00:44:52.300 okay so we don't we get to propose to the commission people we want to testify yeah and then the commission

00:45:01.820 decides whether or not they're going to let them testify so we have to triage on our list because we know

00:45:08.280 we're not going to get um all 23 and in fact this morning breaking news or maybe it was this afternoon

00:45:14.760 we received an email that the commissioner has now ruled that they're not going to allow us to have

00:45:20.360 any more witnesses so everyone you've seen from our side oh wow that's it okay so we had some incredible

00:45:27.640 witnesses on the list to testify uh to illuminate various aspects like former police officers who had their

00:45:36.200 phones wiretapped uh by the ottawa city police um other people uh from various ethnic backgrounds who

00:45:45.360 had been brutally beaten by the police and dumped outside of town uh and others and uh uh just given

00:45:53.460 the schedule that the inquiry has with its hard closed date of the 25th of february of november um that

00:46:00.060 uh we we can't just say oh we want this many more witnesses we'd like to we tried uh but we knew we

00:46:08.040 were not going to get all 23 uh and then later 26 but we did get a lot of the key witnesses we wanted in

00:46:14.380 yeah and i'm super glad that you actually touched on it because that's i agree with you a lot of people

00:46:19.480 have some issues with it it's not whether or not the mandates were justified because they weren't it's

00:46:24.120 not whether or not the convoy had well it was a a good protest to have it's not whether or not the

00:46:29.440 freedom convoy was right even though it was right even if you think that the convoy was wrong for

00:46:34.360 coming to ottawa that's not about that it's about whether or not it was okay for justin trudeau to use

00:46:40.180 an anti-terrorism law that was never seen before on these law-abiding peaceful protesters i know i think

00:46:46.840 that you that you explained it very well well thanks so much for coming on keith stay stay tuned we'll go

00:46:52.260 on a quick um ad break and then when we come back we'll have the democracy fund lawyer alan honor join

00:46:58.780 us stay tuned freedom in 2022 is not sitting idly by while health diktats with no skin in the game

00:47:11.560 make up all the rules if you're like me and want to play an active role in upholding civil liberties

00:47:18.660 and freedoms for all canadians for our children and eventually our grandchildren then come out to

00:47:25.480 our rebel live event and get to know us in person we'll hearing from some of the most influential

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00:47:55.860 freedom in 2022 is certainly about being able to make free choices for ourselves and for our family

00:48:12.300 who we believe are the best we have seen so much suffering over the last two years people who die

00:48:19.280 alone in terrible condition people losing dream jobs polarized families and a society that insult and

00:48:27.480 yell at each other for making a different medical choice but people have risen and it will be true

00:48:34.800 that the future will have an important meaning for all of you but especially for the next generation

00:48:41.940 rebel news has been present at every step of this great challenge but so many other pioneers whom you

00:48:51.060 could meet and hear at our great conference about freedom for our beautiful country which is canada

00:48:58.740 this conference which will be held in calgary and toronto will show you the faces of the influence of

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00:49:24.480 it's time to drop these masks and let the truth shine

00:49:29.720 all right folks yeah we're having some fun at the rebel news rebel news headquarters here in ottawa

00:49:41.080 once again we're really pushing it hard tonight rebel news live events in toronto and calgary

00:49:46.540 toronto november 19th and calgary on november 25th if you want to go ahead and be able to hear from

00:49:52.480 tamara leash from a lot of other people filderbrand from the western standard we have ezreal event we've

00:49:57.940 got sheila gun reid myself and william will be both be there and then of course like you mentioned

00:50:02.440 tamara leash not the official organizer of the convoy but definitely one of the main faces so 1.00

00:50:07.960 go buy a ticket out there yeah legally go buy a ticket go check it out meet us there and we won't

00:50:12.840 be giving a speech we're going to be there in a crowd so we're going to be able to speak to you

00:50:16.320 while the other ones are are giving a speech all right okay so we have on right now alan

00:50:20.880 honor lead head litigator for the director yes it's a pleasure to be here yeah so can you tell

00:50:29.080 us a little bit more about yourself i think we don't really have you on a lot because you're

00:50:32.980 often in toronto for for so far of yours i don't really know who you are that's right so um so thank

00:50:38.420 you for asking me so i'm uh one of the lawyers at the democracy fund uh we have party status at the

00:50:44.420 public order emergency inquiry we're sharing that with our good friends at the jccf and with citizens

00:50:51.280 for freedom one reason you probably don't see me very often is because if one of us asks questions

00:50:58.300 then the other one is not allowed to ask questions that's just the rules yeah that's right no that

00:51:03.560 totally makes sense and that's another thing that i was going to ask you to clarify um so often

00:51:08.380 the commissioner is going to call jccf and the democracy fund all together instead i think he

00:51:14.080 got a little bit lazy he only said the democracy fund and stopped saying jccf is there a reason why

00:51:18.360 you guys are are together well i don't think the commissioner is is is lazy i think he just

00:51:24.020 sometimes refers to us in a way that's convenient that's right we're together because we have a common

00:51:29.800 interest where jccf and the democracy fund are both civil liberties organizations they've both been

00:51:36.240 involved in some way with the protesters for the democracy fund we are representing a number of

00:51:42.740 people who've been criminally charged um we were at the ottawa protests giving people free advice about

00:51:48.360 their charter rights yeah and also the limits of those charter rights for sure we were involved heavily

00:51:53.440 in in windsor uh we had we were friends of the court we made submissions on the injunction that was

00:51:59.580 issued there so what were your general thoughts from today's uh testimonies we heard with eva

00:52:05.100 had say with keith waltz and had say so what what did you think well you know i haven't heard

00:52:09.060 everything that heaven keith said but i suspect they talked a little bit about um about ccis they

00:52:15.800 probably talked a bit about um trudeau invoking the emergencies act when ccis suggested that maybe

00:52:21.580 that's not such a good idea so i won't revisit that yeah i think one of the interesting things that

00:52:26.840 we've seen and maybe you haven't talked about this uh came out later in the day when my colleague

00:52:32.700 anton from citizens for freedom yeah but questioned the deputy um opp yes yeah jason crawley yeah and

00:52:41.160 um in in that video what one of the things we saw was that the police uh created an exclusion zone in

00:52:48.160 windsor about a stretch of one kilometer right and in fact they were arresting protesters on the sidewalk

00:52:56.180 if they were within that exclusion zone that's right and i thought that was very interesting

00:53:01.460 because you know back in february back on february 11th and later on on february 18th we made submissions

00:53:08.320 about this injunction and both times we made sure that we could carve out a provision in that order

00:53:15.300 which respected the right the rights of protesters to peacefully protest yeah yeah for sure yeah did you

00:53:21.560 did you hear what he was talking yeah absolutely i i think we might have that clip but um that video

00:53:27.560 that was brought into evidence of that woman that was peacefully kneeling well in front of the the

00:53:32.720 police lines that was on the grass but where the sidewalks are this was just after crowley also said

00:53:38.660 that a hundred percent like you know they could peacefully protest there it was fine and then he has

00:53:44.480 this video thrown in his face essentially that's like well you know according to these police officers they

00:53:50.360 weren't allowed to and according to this video this woman that was peacefully arrested while kneeling on 0.93

00:53:55.360 um the grass again in front of police lines i think that was i mean it's not just hypocritical like it's

00:54:03.680 it's it's very ironic for that to be brought up the way that it was i quite enjoyed it though

00:54:08.200 yeah no that was pretty interesting to to hear about that all right we only have a few minutes left

00:54:12.700 of the live stream there was such an interesting live stream let's take a look at clip number five

00:54:16.360 from uh well from the commission to take a look at let's take a look at that the blockade on was

00:54:24.140 cleared and the bridge reopened before the emergencies act was invoked is that right uh

00:54:30.080 on the 14th so the 13th around midnight into the 14th i think the bridge opened around midnight

00:54:41.420 on the 14th so the emergencies act came was invoked sometime on the 14th so yes the answer to your

00:54:46.640 question is yes okay great so none of the measures in the emergencies act were used to clear the blockade

00:54:51.880 since it came after correct correct okay thank you those are my questions for you

00:54:57.060 necessary am i right yeah let's make sure we get this straight so the bridge was cleared before

00:55:06.580 trudeau our drama teacher invoked the emergency that that's right and actually that came out last

00:55:11.980 week when we cross-examined commissioner karee yeah right it's not just windsor that was clear

00:55:16.580 uh the the protest at the 402 was clear the protest in cornwall was clear right the protest in

00:55:23.780 windsor as we've seen was also clear of the protest in ottawa the police were making some progress

00:55:29.540 yeah and we we know but we're going to hear more about coops tomorrow yes very excited yeah

00:55:35.000 and you know i think this is actually it's an important point because when we talked about this

00:55:40.020 protester earlier today who was arrested um on the sidewalk yeah actually didn't have anything to

00:55:45.740 do with the emergencies act because that protester was arrested before the emergencies act was invoked

00:55:51.960 but it does show you something doesn't it it did it shows us the attitude that some people had

00:55:57.460 towards these protesters yeah i think that attitude probably informed uh the federal government when

00:56:02.920 they invoked the emergencies act no for sure and it you know it just like you said it's it is such a

00:56:08.000 shame to see something like that take place especially when they're told one thing and then it's

00:56:11.500 the the misinformation and the miscommunication i'm sure i saw some officers that didn't look too happy

00:56:17.040 to be instructing folks the way that they had to or that they did uh same way with the misinformation

00:56:22.120 spread by mainstream media but to your point about the the blockades that were resolved so to speak

00:56:29.160 before the emergencies act was invoked i mean again just for the people in the back it's almost like it

00:56:34.240 wasn't necessary right it's almost like it wasn't necessary it's almost like we're just repeating

00:56:38.340 ourselves every day you know i'm gonna i'm gonna try and open with a different dialogue tomorrow not

00:56:43.580 you know it's the same dialogue every day folks so i'm gonna try and be more creative yeah well the issue

00:56:48.340 is that it is we're here we're hearing the same evidence every single day we're hearing evidence

00:56:53.400 that back what was shown the day before and then the day before that we heard evidence that

00:56:58.860 show that back what was said that they prior to that yeah and it just spirals a whole way i think

00:57:04.580 yeah i'm not sure justin true likes the inquiry likes like what's happening a lot i would love to be a

00:57:09.900 fly on the wall in one of his cabinets meeting him and omar al-jabra talking about how they can spin

00:57:16.120 the narrative and try to make it seem like they're still the good guys all right guys we've been on

00:57:20.460 for an hour now i hope that you're not too tired of hearing us let's take a look at some of the

00:57:24.420 some of the um the chats that we that we received throughout the live stream if you have any

00:57:29.420 at analisa do you want to read it sure analisa 1964 for ten dollars thank you so much for your

00:57:36.160 donation analisa um says great recap tonight plus i need to redeem myself and send a big shout out to

00:57:42.520 william you manly man lol oh that's right because yeah yeah so for the people that didn't follow our

00:57:48.780 recent live stream thank you analisa um i was misgendered last live stream i was misgendered

00:57:55.800 really hurt my feeling someone said that i was a lady that's not what happened sheila and i the other

00:58:01.880 night were on the live stream and before william came on analisa sent in a comment addressing us

00:58:07.440 ladies and at that time we read it william happened to be sitting there so you were misgendered you're

00:58:12.560 you're all within your madliness you're you're great you're good i'll do a complaint of using a 0.93

00:58:16.980 bill c16s back like myself if you're going to prison analisa all right do we have any any more chats

00:58:22.640 well perfect thank you olivia thank you efran for your hard work tonight um yeah i mentioned our

00:58:30.780 national drama teacher earlier we didn't have time to watch some of the clips

00:58:34.040 from him today but we will see a lot more from him tomorrow i can promise i'll make sure we touch

00:58:39.460 on what he said um throughout the day because he always says something more ridiculous every day

00:58:44.120 it's a drama teacher you can you never know what to expect uh thank you so much for your time

00:58:49.160 thank you so much alan for joining us today thank you keith who's in the background still

00:58:53.180 thank you eva who can hear me from the skies i know she can hear me uh once again rebelnewslive.com

00:59:00.080 if you want to be able to meet all of us your favorite rebel news reporters you can go to

00:59:04.460 rebelnewslive.com and there you will be able to buy your tickets i'm sure the executive team is

00:59:09.680 going to be happy with me um advertising rebelnewslive.com all right thank you everyone for for

00:59:14.880 joining us tonight um see you tomorrow what are you afraid will come from testifying at that inquiry

00:59:23.080 well i've said it this is a federal a federal inquiry based on the federal government

00:59:32.260 calling for the emergency act this is a federal issue we've had our our senior public service go

00:59:42.080 there the deputy we've had the commissioner of the opp there this was under the police i don't direct

00:59:50.900 the police this is something that falls under the police we well the opp sent police officers there

00:59:58.660 and they they ended it and so it's a federal government it's not a provincial government

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