BREAKDOWN： Trucker Commission Day 18 ｜ Ft. Eva Chipiuk & Keith Wilson
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Summary
Join Celine Gallus and Eva Cipiuk as they recap day two of the Public Order Emergency Commission hearings, including testimony from the Mayor of Windsor, Andrew Dilkin, and Chief Deputy Chief Deputy Jason Crawley from the Windsor Police Services, as well as a document from CSIS.
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Happy Monday, a new week, new week again here in Ottawa
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at the Emergencies Act Inquiry with the Public Order Emergency Commission.
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I'm here with Celine Gallus, my fellow Rebel News colleague.
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And later on, we will also have Freedom Convoy Lord Keith Wilson as well
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and I have a little bit of housekeeping to do right before we get to the action itself.
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We saw some pretty interesting, surprisingly, testimonies,
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So today we saw Mayor of Windsor, Andrew Dilkin, testify in front of the commission,
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as well as Chief Deputy Jason Crawley from the Windsor Police Services.
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So Celine, today you live tweeted the whole day from the commission.
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Well, just like we saw last weekend, any of the lawyers that are maybe anti-convoys,
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a little bit too strong, but we'll call it what it is.
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The narrative seems to be very similar week to week with what they get when they go up
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and they actually are asking these witnesses questions.
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So it's kind of like a poultice is what I'm referring to.
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Whatever they get from them is usually a part of the same narrative.
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Not much new information comes into play until we have the convoy organizer lawyers
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that go up to the stand and they actually cross-examine these witnesses.
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That is usually when I find I get the most out of my day
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and those tweets also get the most optics, impressions.
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Of course, always great to hear Brendan Miller and Bathsheba.
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Yeah, cross-examine the witnesses, as well as the GCCF and TDF lawyers as well.
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Eva, your thoughts from today's testimonies that we've heard?
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Well, I just wanted to say that I feel the same way with some of the questions
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that we've been hearing from other counsel is I do really find, as you were saying,
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Selene, that when Brendan Miller goes up, he really gets to the heart of why we are all here,
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whether or not it was justified to enact the Emergencies Act.
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We really see him zeroing in on that particular issue.
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And today, I know we were going to talk about this, so I'll just jump right into it,
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is Brendan Miller put to the mayor from Windsor a document from CSIS.
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So if we're going to be talking about the Emergencies Act,
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if we're going to be talking about whether there was a national security threat,
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And what did it say on February 13th is it said,
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our recommendation is not to invoke the Emergencies Act,
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because that will actually, in my words, in my summary, cause more harm than good.
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He was concerned that it would elicit more extremist views and more violence,
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because people were concerned about the breakdown with the system and the government.
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But so you see that kind of evidence come through and it's nobody else is talking about it.
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I know that I saw that CTV, I edited one of their articles and kind of posted about it
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But I think being in that room, like that was so significant.
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I was, I mean, like, you know, it kind of comes with the Miller brand,
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you know, whenever he goes up there, I'm a little bit in shock.
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I never know what's going to, what's going to happen.
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He just zeros in, like you said, and then it's like, bam, it's Miller time.
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And then he just goes and it's fantastic every time.
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It says it point blank and that's something that's been missing.
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Well, let's take a look at the document itself.
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if you could just do a little rundown document.
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So the significant point that I was referring to and that Brendan Miller,
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actually what he did was he read it into the record.
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And there's no way I could read it from here on the screen,
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but you could see it's, this is thesis notes and it's dated February 13th.
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And basically it says similar to what I said is that,
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and I guess everyone can read it for themselves, but invoking the emergencies act
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can cause more harm with increased violence and increased extremist views.
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you're getting that straight from the top and you question immediately why the next day,
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the federal government invoked the emergencies act, who are they listening to?
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And tying that into Crowley's testimony afterwards,
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just to jump ahead a little bit, just to get to this point,
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he said actually twice, I remember that he was not sure if it was necessary to invoke it in the end
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So even with them invoking it, and we saw what happened in Ottawa,
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we saw what happened in Windsor, Ontario at that blockade,
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still Deputy Chief Jason Crowley said that it was,
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And he said that multiple times through his testimony.
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I actually didn't mind listening to his testimony.
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That's not even the first time that we heard that.
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So a little while ago, we heard that the OPP officer,
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might be another person who gave a document to the federal government,
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to federal cabinet suggesting that they should negotiate with a protester
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The cabinet at that same meeting where they invoked the act,
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Anyway, it's not the first time that we hear the police say something to the federal government
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and the federal government doing the exact opposite.
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but I have not heard one witness thus far say that it was something we needed
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and it was something that we used, the emergencies act.
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Yes, and what's really important from what we've heard today is today it was just Windsor,
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So it was the mayor of Windsor and the chief of police, I think, is his role for Windsor.
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what really stood out and what everyone in Canada needs to be reminded of
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is the blockades that were there were already gone before the emergencies act was invoked.
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So how could either of these witnesses say that's something we needed,
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that's something we asked for when the blockades, the protest was already gone?
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I'm not sure if we have any clips from that yet from the day,
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but specifically when they were mentioning, again, jumping ahead a little bit,
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It bothered me is all the claims that the protesters were using children,
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So I mean, like physically picking up your child and being like,
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And just like having them between the police lines.
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He said that when asked by Miller, I need to find that clip by Miller.
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it was enough hard evidence for me when I saw children standing in a line and like
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holding hands, like that was enough for me to believe the claims.
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And you know what the misinformation from the mainstream media and the other
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Well, before we continue, because we've been talking for a little while yet,
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let's take a look at that clip so that everyone can see.
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Strategic analysis must be driven by direct evidence collection and
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assessment as opposed to reliance on social media posting as it lacks
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context and where the poster's bias may not be considered.
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But I can say that, like I said, I don't even think I saw this,
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when I heard the protesters themselves on the open chat talking about human
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shields, children as human shields and seeing a picture with children holding
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hands across the intersection at here in church and college in the early
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And, of course, you followed up on investigating that and making sure that, you know, that wasn't
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Our special investigations unit was definitely involved in the deal with the children, the
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crimes against children, along with CAS for sure.
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And you can agree there that the report there from the 12th from OPP says no persons were
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observed outside, there was no children were observed, but believed to be inside a camper.
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So you can agree based on that report, as of the 12th, according to the OPP, that wasn't
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And, again, we, you agree possibly with what I said to you with respect to essentially the
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validity of relying on social media alone, right?
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We did not rely on it alone, but I would agree with that.
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So if I could jump into this right away is, let's talk about evidence for a second.
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So that's something, you know, we've talked a lot about.
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Um, and I would love if somebody could put up on the screen, what the, what the Facebook
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So what the question was right before is you would see the document and this was brought
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If you actually look at the evidence, it was a Facebook post.
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So they didn't even get the source correct, which is not great.
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Um, and then what it was is just unidentified and, uh, Brendan Miller confirmed that in the
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cross-examination just before this clip started is he said, do you know who this person is?
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Do you have any information to corroborate what is said?
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And if you look at that post, the words aren't even spelled correctly.
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So this is what the federal government was using to put to, um, this, you know, chief
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That's the evidence they brought unidentified, uh, uncertain who, where, what, when, how.
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Then you go down one, two pages to an OPP intelligence report.
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And you saw right there, it said no children were observed.
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So we have the government of Canada using a Facebook post by some unidentified person versus
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So even going back to our discussion before about credible CSIS information not being used
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here, we have credible OPP information, intelligence information not being used rather where the
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Like when you, when you break it down and thank you so much for bringing more context to this,
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because I think this is such an important, uh, part of, uh, the testimonies from today.
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Children, like, uh, just the narrative again, it's, it's very similar to what we're seeing.
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They continue to paint the narrative as if these protesters are these dangerous, very, very
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So to the point that they would use their own children as a body shields to deter police
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from taking action again, like you already reiterated.
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And we saw today, um, that blockade was disassembled even before the emergencies act was evoked.
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Um, and there were no children that were reported except for some that were within a campers safe,
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It's really hard to watch when you see, you actually look at the evidence that is being
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You know, the evidence is not a Facebook comment.
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In that case, I've got a lot of evidence for some cases myself.
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Eva, I noticed you have to go somewhere with, uh, some other people tonight to a certain
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I look forward to seeing you, seeing you again soon.
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And then when we come back, we will have Freedom Convoy lawyer, Keith Wilson, come on.
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I saw, yeah, you guys came in there later, later during the day at the commission.
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Well, you know, we've transitioned now from having the police witnesses, the municipal witnesses,
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And we're now in this almost sidebar dealing with the border protests with Cootes and Windsor.
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So I think we all expected it to be a little bit slower.
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We're always working on what we need to do 3Ds ahead of time, all the parties are, because
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we have to disclose all the documents that we're going to be cross-examining on.
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And so even if the day itself seems a little slower, it doesn't mean back at HQ things
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And what, so we know that we have the Windsor protesters right now.
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What do you think were, we can expect to see come out from their testimonies?
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Well, I think, you know, I think the events at Cootes and Windsor were resolved prior to
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Trudeau deciding to invoke the Emergencies Act.
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The only protest or event that was still occurring in Canada when Trudeau and his cabinet made
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the decision was the protests in Ottawa, which we were in the process of implementing a
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So it's difficult for the government to redeem itself by saying, oh, look at the bad things
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that were happening at Windsor, look at the bad things that were happening at Cootes, because
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What does happen, though, is because these, the RCMP involved in Cootes are a party to
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this, they had to disclose hundreds, in some instances, thousands.
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And we literally are well over 50,000 documents in terms of pages now.
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So we data mine through those and we come across documents, as you saw today, with the CSIS
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briefing that briefed the cabinet on three different instances and basically said, not only do you,
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should you not be invoking the Emergencies Act, you don't have what it takes, but it's actually
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And in face of that, our, our, um, our prime minister who has demonstrated very thin skin
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and an inability to withstand any kind of criticism decided to proceed with invoking it to give
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him the excuse to bring in police with sticks and clubs and tear gas and, and, uh, don't forget
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And the horses to trample, to trample Canadians' rights, both physically and, uh, legally.
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So we've spoken a little bit about Mayor Dilkin's testimony.
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We've also spoken about, um, the, the, the, the Windsor Police Services officers' testimony.
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Let's take a look at part of Mayor Dilkin's testimony where he talks about, um, the fact
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that in his view, the nature of the protests were unprecedented.
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But it was just, it was, it was the, the nature and sort of the spirit of the protest.
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It was unlike anything I've ever seen, you know, I've lived my whole life in the city
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It's unlike anything I've ever seen during that time.
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Uh, and the, the posture and the language was, you know, it was, it was almost as if
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folks wanted some sort of brawl on the streets.
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You know, they were hoping police would engage in that way so they could have some sort of,
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I mean, I tried not to laugh while I heard it in the media room.
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Like I, I did my best because again, it's the, it's the same painting them as these
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I mean, if hot tubs and bouncy castles are, they emit the atmosphere of brawl, like or
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bar fight ish, whatever is synonymous to feeling the, the, the tensions in a room or in a place
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where you would consider it to be so dangerous that you anticipate a brawl or people are, it
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I mean, I don't think the mayor of Windsor did this mayor could be mayor of Ottawa.
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If he thinks that this is a huge protest, I mean, Ottawa would get things as big as this
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He, the Windsor wasn't the place where the convoy was at the end of the day.
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Well, what are your thoughts on his, on his comments?
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I mean, the first is one of the concerns at all times while I was here in Ottawa and the
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lead volunteers here in Ottawa was about the truckers keeping their cool.
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You know, Jordan Peterson talked about the truckers keeping their cool.
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Tucker Carlson talked about the truckers keeping their cool.
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And that was one of the things that really impressed me about the protesters here in
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Ottawa is how they were acutely aware that what the prime minister and some of the police
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If they wanted to start a brawl, they would have started a brawl.
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It took a lot of energy and effort and it was remarkable.
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The absence of any form of violence, the low statistics on crime compared to any other
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gathering of anything close to this scale or even a fraction of it.
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The other point though is, um, and it's a really important one and it's this, the reason
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why these protests occurred, the reason why so many Canadians came out at all these different
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places was never before in the history of our country.
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Did they have governments impose themselves with restrictions on the most basic human
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rights, fundamental liberties, basic liberties never before did Canadians experience playgrounds
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and outdoor hockey rinks, um, uh, cordoned off with police tape and teenagers being wrestled
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to the ground because they had the audacity to be out getting some exercise and playing some
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I never before did government think it was a good idea to tell us that we couldn't be
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with our families at Christmas and at birthdays and at anniversaries and at Thanksgiving or
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be at the side of a dying loved one or help and care for someone after they got discharged
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We cannot lose sight of how fundamentally far this government and the provincial governments
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overstepped and overreacted and the harm that they've done.
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And that's why we're here in this inquiry and it's going to keep coming out.
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I was really pleased with, um, all of the witnesses last week telling their stories and, and explaining
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how it had hurt them and their children and their neighbors and their communities.
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So, um, there should be no surprise by any elected official, whether it's the mayor of
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Windsor or anyone else as to why there was an unprecedented protest.
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It's because there was an unprecedented overreach in the most un-Canadian way imaginable by these
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What a lot of people don't remember is the G7 countries did not have a restriction preventing
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unvaccinated from traveling within their country.
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Canada was an anomaly and it was clearly, and you guys know that I'm also legal counsel
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to former Premier Brian Feckford on the charter, the travel mandate challenge.
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So I had the opportunity to cross examine, uh, all of the key government officials.
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None of them recommended that the vaccine mandate we've seen, we saw in that case, and we're
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seeing it yet again, that this is political puppeteering by the prime minister and the
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people around him and his cabinet to put forward their very cynical political game.
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You know, I've got three things to say about what you just said.
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So first of all, you know, what's ironic is that the reason why the truckers work here
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is because civil liberties of Canadians, according to them, were infringed.
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They felt like we didn't have any civil liberties.
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And what did Justin Trudeau do to get rid of the protests and did infringe on those charter
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rights even more than by invoking the Emergencies Act?
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Second thing you said, you also mentioned how it was tough to keep cool, to keep the truckers
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calm during the convicts, make sure none of them get aggressive.
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But one person who we saw wasn't able to keep his calm was Glenn McGregor.
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When Tamara Leash got out of the Ottawa courthouse after her bail hearing and the judge told
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her she was allowed to get off jail and visit her family once again.
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Let's take a look at how Glenn McGregor conducted him in his cell back in July.
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that's what i tweeted today because i i saw someone retweeted this tweet from back in july
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from me um i tweeted today that's ctv's finest glad mcgregor i think there's a reason why he's
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not in the inquiry he knows that when he sees the evidence go the wrong way he won't be able
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to keep his cool i think this right you're just so unprofessionals and this guy pushed and there
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are protesters that was there it's not the first time he did it the first time he did it was actually
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at the february 3rd press conference right after i'd arrived and as we were leaving the press
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conference room and we went into the broader hallway i was at the back of the group tamara was further
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up with chris barber and others and myself and danny bulford were in the last of the group that's
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just as we were entering a stairwell uh mr mcgregor who's apparently acquired the nickname punchy
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mcgregor and quite aptly so came in with both sets of elbows and elbowed myself and uh mr bulford in
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the chest aggressively in an effort to get in front of us to get up the stairs to go after tamara
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so it's a different uh different style it kind of reminded me of um you know the old wwf wrestling
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you know maybe he'd be better to go back and cover that and get in the ring and throw a chair or
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something it seems to be about his caliber i think he'd be comfortable going in one of those events
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that would be his his environment he'd be comfortable going there i don't think that's the only time as
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well that he's trying to cause trouble i think back in february once again he tried to get in your
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hotel room good quick interview i've been pursued by mr mcgregor into elevators and into rooms yes
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this is highly motivated it's unbelievable no it's just insane i mean re-watching that footage i'm
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like you really it's like it's a joke to me i'm like how can you have the audacity to do something
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like that like you want to underline what it means to have like microaggressions like you see
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somebody and you're just immediately like so mad that you just physically assault everyone around
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you yeah it's hilarious like what is wrong with people i wonder if matthew fleury the same counselor
00:29:31.440
would think that's a microaggression i think you might need to ask him in french matthew fleury
00:29:35.480
my question because otherwise i don't think he understands the questions out of uh of the people
00:29:43.540
but there's william there's there's another thing as well that she said one last thing from what she
00:29:48.700
said and it really struck with me um when the pandemic started i was doing speed skating i did
00:29:54.060
professional i did i did sports for a long time not professional um and we were told that we weren't
00:30:00.340
allowed to practice our sport because of the pandemic now i know a lot of people had meltdowns
00:30:06.120
because of it now i don't know a lot of people that got into depression because they weren't allowed
00:30:09.700
to practice their sport yeah and the most idiotic thing that we saw is that as a speed skating club or as
00:30:17.680
a hockey club we weren't allowed to practice train in environment that are safe and secure
00:30:24.900
but they were allowing 50 to 100 people to go on the ice with their parents just to free skate
00:30:31.040
that that's an incoherent regulation that was imposed by the government well i'm sorry but you
00:30:37.160
also can't forget about the case of mayor patrick brown uh from brampton i believe going and playing
00:30:42.360
hockey with his buddies out in the rink while everyone else was absolutely in a lockdown in
00:30:47.920
their house and you know was prosecuted if they did anything others so yeah that's right yeah i get
00:30:53.960
you there yeah that's right fantastic by menzies yeah what i think this all highlights for all of us
00:30:59.520
is that we've probably underestimated um and not really appreciated how important
00:31:07.580
being able to pursue your passions your hobbies uh interacting with others is to a normal life
00:31:15.880
yeah you know and when we deprive kids of their opportunity to participate in in whether it's you
00:31:22.740
know judo or speed skating or skateboarding uh or uh 4-h if you're on the prairies or scouts and girl
00:31:31.800
guides it really has an impact for social beings and this myopic single focus that the health
00:31:39.260
authorities had of save every senior citizen at all costs no matter how great yeah socially
00:31:46.180
developmentally um and economically was an absolute policy failure and the ripple effect
00:31:55.760
and you even saw it mentioned in the csesis document today is people have fundamentally lost
00:32:02.860
trust in the institutions that they thought were what makes living in canada a good thing
00:32:09.640
everywhere from the doctors and the public health officials to the educators to the um uh to the courts
00:32:16.680
to the police they people never thought the police would use a lot of people never thought the police
00:32:22.140
would use this level of violence on unarmed peaceful protesters so um uh the good thing about this
00:32:29.100
inquiry is it's forcing some of these things to come back into the discussion yeah i mean of course
00:32:34.420
the legacy media is barely covering it all they're just trying to keep their paymaster happy and meet
00:32:39.900
payroll um which is unfortunate and thank goodness for guys like you well i think that's the reason
00:32:44.640
why the convoid was so big that people were fed up with these incoherent and authoritarian
00:32:49.260
policies unjustified policies that were implemented all in the name of science it was a long time
00:32:55.820
coming for sure that was a long two years you've got one person the u.s was dr fauci you had one man
00:33:01.740
who was in control of the whole whole health establishment you had one person here to
00:33:07.620
theresa tam who was in control of kenny's life it's it's absolutely unbelievable all right let's
00:33:13.600
throw to clip number three and afterwards we'll go on a little bit more about justin trudeau and
00:33:18.200
duck for because we saw some comments and some decisions that were taken in relation to both
00:33:23.080
these men's at stay would it be fair to say that that the two parts of this conversation we saw you
00:33:29.620
having with minister medicino mr minister medicino was incorrect about whether or not the chief mizuno
00:33:35.840
had requested resources and was also incorrect as to the the type of assistance that was offered by cbsa
00:33:42.400
i think what happened when i received that message from minister mendicino and my response was wrong
00:33:47.860
i called the chief immediately to make sure i understand what understood what was going on
00:33:53.040
the chief explained to me that in the conversation that she had had with commissioner karik that at that
00:34:00.280
precise moment in time they weren't asking for any more because officers were coming in and she didn't
00:34:07.100
know how many officers were coming in i understood okay and it was also your understanding then that
00:34:13.580
there was a plan in place as early as february 10th to dismantle this protest is that correct
00:34:18.920
well i i knew that officers were coming in i did not know the chief could not tell me how many
00:34:26.140
officers were coming in nor was i aware of how long it would take to resolve the issue
00:34:31.660
what'd you make of that william well i was about to ask you you know um i think i think all the
00:34:39.380
comments that were made today were pretty interesting when you look at the relation between the city and
00:34:42.980
the police i think as we saw from the beginning from all the testimonies there were some issues when
00:34:49.660
it comes to coordinating oh the department i think that's an understatement that there's there were
00:34:54.740
some issues especially when they got there nice most of their not today not today it's been a it's been a long
00:35:02.060
day um yeah i guess when you gather majority of your intelligence from mainstream media reports um
00:35:08.740
you know you could be discredited with what you say going after the fact that uh both the um
00:35:15.740
uh ops uh opp that were stationed in ottawa all revealed that they were severely
00:35:21.740
um overwhelmed by the amount of um protesters that actually showed up and obviously it was the
00:35:26.780
same at windsor and i'm gonna go on a on a limb here and say that once it gets to coots we're gonna
00:35:32.420
find that it's the same thing because again when you listen to mainstream media you're bound to get
00:35:36.460
some disinformation so i'm i'm not shocked i'm not surprised what do you think keith well it's more of a
00:35:43.580
pattern you know that um that the level of disorganization the level of confusion um is been
00:35:52.340
remarkable uh at all levels i think this is also um have been a process of revealing how incompetent
00:36:01.940
our governments really are imagine if this was a real threat right if this had been an actual threat
00:36:08.060
and this is how it was dealt with when it was actually very peaceful i'm very afraid uh it's bad
00:36:14.180
to say but it actually worries me living in this country and thinking if it was an actual threat this
00:36:18.860
is how my government would have handled it it's ridiculous it's an embarrassment i think they had
00:36:23.060
the tools and they have the they had the capacities to handle it well yes for sure if we didn't have
00:36:27.820
justin true as a prime minister any corrupt scandal plagued liberal cabinet running our country
00:36:34.220
i think they would have been able to listen to the opp and tell i think they would have been able to
00:36:38.440
open their eyes and say yeah let's negotiate with these structures there's more than a thousand of
00:36:43.340
them that came to ottawa there must be a reason why they're here i think if we didn't have an
00:36:48.220
competent government in power right now yeah this would have been dealt a lot better than it was dealt
00:36:53.180
with right now well yeah because it's an understatement think even farther back than that none of the
00:36:57.340
draconian and unscientific um covid mandates would have been put into place uh provincially federally or
00:37:04.180
through the municipality so it's it goes so far back it's very needed no like this this wouldn't be
00:37:11.640
happening i guess it's kind of like you know all hypothetical at this point but it's an interesting
00:37:17.220
line of thought i do sometimes get myself lost and i think what it shows too is that um very early on
00:37:24.720
in the ottawa protests there were senior officials saying bring in an intermediary bring in a mediator
00:37:32.560
bring in a negotiator let's open up a line of communication and dialogue and that's the
00:37:40.000
canadian way of doing things i mean you guys are too young to remember this but canada was once
00:37:45.100
famous for having our blue hat military which was the peace make the peacekeepers right they would
00:37:50.620
wear blue helmets rather blue not blue hats uh and blue bulletproof vests and they would go to
00:37:56.000
conflict zones and they would go between the parties who were warring and killing one another
00:38:00.620
yeah um and and try and facilitate a peaceful process that used to be one of the things that
00:38:06.480
canada stood for and the bureaucracy and some of the senior officials were calling on that
00:38:11.760
um but at every turn the prime minister wanted no part of it i think he was having a temper tantrum in
00:38:18.260
his office and screaming at people and throwing things there's probably a reason whenever you see a
00:38:22.900
picture of his desk there seems to be nothing on it they probably got tired of having things thrown
00:38:27.920
at them so they keep stuff off his desk but um uh it's clear that uh the adults in the room were
00:38:35.660
trying to encourage the prime minister in his cabinet to take a canadian approach and he opted not
00:38:41.300
yeah and uh i think we're all going to work to redefine canada back to the canada that we all once knew
00:38:47.340
100 percent yeah no i totally agree with you all right doug ford we heard said the judge said
00:38:54.060
he didn't have to appear in front of the committee uh in front of the commission what'd you make of that
00:39:00.320
well um i hadn't studied the case law on uh the powers the limitations on the powers of the federal
00:39:10.260
government to compel and subpoena a sitting uh provincial politician but um as you may have
00:39:17.400
figured out that uh brendan miller our lead barrister on the team is literally a walking version of
00:39:24.480
legal wikipedia and as soon as word came out uh that this was being challenged by doug ford he turned
00:39:32.600
to the brendan turned to us our legal team and said ford's gonna win and the reason he said ford was
00:39:38.400
gonna win is that they're even sighted the case off the top of his head is people probably don't
00:39:42.820
notice this most of the time when he objects he always cites a case right on point you know off
00:39:47.320
the top of his head uh when he's objecting but uh the case law says that um uh the federal government
00:39:55.460
cannot compel uh a sitting provincial member of parliament or member of a legislative assembly to
00:40:03.620
a federal inquiry they relied on that provision uh so i'm not terribly surprised but you know you
00:40:11.720
don't you don't have to refuse in other words the law doesn't say that the premier can't for
00:40:19.580
yes exactly it just says he can't be forced to come so i don't understand why he would not have
00:40:26.120
wanted to uh make himself available um politicians often tell us that they believe in transparency and
00:40:34.680
openness and you know uh showing up at a designated time at a public inquiry and being asked some
00:40:42.260
questions and providing some truthful answers is a really good kind of hallmark of transparency and
00:40:48.700
openness so i think you said befored opted not to take that route and i guess we'll never know why
00:40:53.640
you said it perfectly yourself they tell us that they care about transparency but katherine mckinney
00:40:59.020
told us that she cared about transparency while running away from my questions and not being able to
00:41:04.740
state a clear position on whether or not she believes freedom of speech is an important value in society
00:41:10.760
as part of our kind of canine charter of rights and freedoms and she wasn't able to state to the public
00:41:15.500
a clear position on her views of freedom of speech i think it shows cowardness from forth but i don't
00:41:22.020
think it's surprising i think it's it's in line with everything he's been doing for the past um
00:41:26.020
for the past years right we have you on for only a few minutes now if you could just tell us quickly
00:41:31.520
what you thought ford could bring to the inquiry why you thought it would be important for him to come
00:41:37.460
on and then afterwards i think we have a chat for you and we'll let you go sure well i mean um the
00:41:43.080
provincial government played an important role partly because of the role of the opp but more
00:41:47.820
importantly um why is it that ford decided to declare their provincial emergency um what resources
00:41:55.940
was he planning to make available uh for the government to to use and uh what communications
00:42:04.200
did he have with the prime minister at the critical times yeah so what did the prime minister know and when
00:42:09.480
did he know it uh so these are all important things that could have come out if he had chosen to
00:42:14.340
come forward and be transparent and and accessible yeah would have been fun to have him on are you
00:42:20.680
kidding of course it would have been all right i think that we have a chat for keith wilson before we
00:42:26.520
let him go can we can we take a look at uh at that saw one earlier all right do you want to read it
00:42:35.340
sure it's yeah it's pretty small so from rum bully i believe rumbly are the convoy lawyers going to call
00:42:44.560
on the freedom doctors as witnesses to show how ridiculous the mandates were okay there's a few
00:42:52.020
things there yeah one of the things that people who are watching this are struggling with because i can
00:42:57.940
tell by the number of emails and messages i get every day this is not a trial to adjudicate every
00:43:04.920
aspect of what's happened in our lives in the last two and a half years that's why we don't deal with
00:43:10.520
certain issues like um there were some people upset with me because of some comments that were made about
00:43:17.480
how the propane and fuel were stored at coventry and it was stored remarkably well it was like
00:43:25.720
brilliant how they had set up a cage system it was just perfect yeah but whether or not fuel was stored
00:43:33.340
properly or improperly is irrelevant as to whether or not the conditions were present to invoke the
00:43:38.880
emergencies act yes exactly so we're not here to adjudicate every aspect whether or not the mandates
00:43:45.680
were medically justified and i don't think they are and that's the evidence that came out under oath
00:43:51.080
when i cross-examined 16 federal government witnesses in the peckford charter challenge travel mandate
00:43:56.560
challenge is irrelevant to whether or not the government was uh justified in invoking the
00:44:04.060
emergencies act and stripping canadians of their rights so i know it's frustrating to watch the law is
00:44:09.620
a very compartmentalized process and it's focused by by design um so this is not the place to adjudicate that
00:44:21.520
we were hoping to have that very question adjudicated by the federal court in the peckford case
00:44:27.760
and we spent so much time and effort and energy in getting there with our own experts and 15 000 pages of
00:44:33.560
evidence until the federal government brought an application to strike that on the basis of mootness
00:44:38.260
i won't go further we can talk about that another time um but the final point i was going to make on this
00:44:44.120
is list of witnesses we originally submitted a list of 23 witnesses that we expanded to 28
00:44:52.300
okay so we don't we get to propose to the commission people we want to testify yeah and then the commission
00:45:01.820
decides whether or not they're going to let them testify so we have to triage on our list because we know
00:45:08.280
we're not going to get um all 23 and in fact this morning breaking news or maybe it was this afternoon
00:45:14.760
we received an email that the commissioner has now ruled that they're not going to allow us to have
00:45:20.360
any more witnesses so everyone you've seen from our side oh wow that's it okay so we had some incredible
00:45:27.640
witnesses on the list to testify uh to illuminate various aspects like former police officers who had their
00:45:36.200
phones wiretapped uh by the ottawa city police um other people uh from various ethnic backgrounds who
00:45:45.360
had been brutally beaten by the police and dumped outside of town uh and others and uh uh just given
00:45:53.460
the schedule that the inquiry has with its hard closed date of the 25th of february of november um that
00:46:00.060
uh we we can't just say oh we want this many more witnesses we'd like to we tried uh but we knew we
00:46:08.040
were not going to get all 23 uh and then later 26 but we did get a lot of the key witnesses we wanted in
00:46:14.380
yeah and i'm super glad that you actually touched on it because that's i agree with you a lot of people
00:46:19.480
have some issues with it it's not whether or not the mandates were justified because they weren't it's
00:46:24.120
not whether or not the convoy had well it was a a good protest to have it's not whether or not the
00:46:29.440
freedom convoy was right even though it was right even if you think that the convoy was wrong for
00:46:34.360
coming to ottawa that's not about that it's about whether or not it was okay for justin trudeau to use
00:46:40.180
an anti-terrorism law that was never seen before on these law-abiding peaceful protesters i know i think
00:46:46.840
that you that you explained it very well well thanks so much for coming on keith stay stay tuned we'll go
00:46:52.260
on a quick um ad break and then when we come back we'll have the democracy fund lawyer alan honor join
00:46:58.780
us stay tuned freedom in 2022 is not sitting idly by while health diktats with no skin in the game
00:47:11.560
make up all the rules if you're like me and want to play an active role in upholding civil liberties
00:47:18.660
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00:47:25.480
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00:47:31.720
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00:47:39.940
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00:47:55.860
freedom in 2022 is certainly about being able to make free choices for ourselves and for our family
00:48:12.300
who we believe are the best we have seen so much suffering over the last two years people who die
00:48:19.280
alone in terrible condition people losing dream jobs polarized families and a society that insult and
00:48:27.480
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00:48:34.800
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00:48:41.940
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00:48:51.060
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00:48:58.740
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00:49:07.540
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00:49:24.480
it's time to drop these masks and let the truth shine
00:49:29.720
all right folks yeah we're having some fun at the rebel news rebel news headquarters here in ottawa
00:49:41.080
once again we're really pushing it hard tonight rebel news live events in toronto and calgary
00:49:46.540
toronto november 19th and calgary on november 25th if you want to go ahead and be able to hear from
00:49:52.480
tamara leash from a lot of other people filderbrand from the western standard we have ezreal event we've
00:49:57.940
got sheila gun reid myself and william will be both be there and then of course like you mentioned
00:50:02.440
tamara leash not the official organizer of the convoy but definitely one of the main faces so
00:50:07.960
go buy a ticket out there yeah legally go buy a ticket go check it out meet us there and we won't
00:50:12.840
be giving a speech we're going to be there in a crowd so we're going to be able to speak to you
00:50:16.320
while the other ones are are giving a speech all right okay so we have on right now alan
00:50:20.880
honor lead head litigator for the director yes it's a pleasure to be here yeah so can you tell
00:50:29.080
us a little bit more about yourself i think we don't really have you on a lot because you're
00:50:32.980
often in toronto for for so far of yours i don't really know who you are that's right so um so thank
00:50:38.420
you for asking me so i'm uh one of the lawyers at the democracy fund uh we have party status at the
00:50:44.420
public order emergency inquiry we're sharing that with our good friends at the jccf and with citizens
00:50:51.280
for freedom one reason you probably don't see me very often is because if one of us asks questions
00:50:58.300
then the other one is not allowed to ask questions that's just the rules yeah that's right no that
00:51:03.560
totally makes sense and that's another thing that i was going to ask you to clarify um so often
00:51:08.380
the commissioner is going to call jccf and the democracy fund all together instead i think he
00:51:14.080
got a little bit lazy he only said the democracy fund and stopped saying jccf is there a reason why
00:51:18.360
you guys are are together well i don't think the commissioner is is is lazy i think he just
00:51:24.020
sometimes refers to us in a way that's convenient that's right we're together because we have a common
00:51:29.800
interest where jccf and the democracy fund are both civil liberties organizations they've both been
00:51:36.240
involved in some way with the protesters for the democracy fund we are representing a number of
00:51:42.740
people who've been criminally charged um we were at the ottawa protests giving people free advice about
00:51:48.360
their charter rights yeah and also the limits of those charter rights for sure we were involved heavily
00:51:53.440
in in windsor uh we had we were friends of the court we made submissions on the injunction that was
00:51:59.580
issued there so what were your general thoughts from today's uh testimonies we heard with eva
00:52:05.100
had say with keith waltz and had say so what what did you think well you know i haven't heard
00:52:09.060
everything that heaven keith said but i suspect they talked a little bit about um about ccis they
00:52:15.800
probably talked a bit about um trudeau invoking the emergencies act when ccis suggested that maybe
00:52:21.580
that's not such a good idea so i won't revisit that yeah i think one of the interesting things that
00:52:26.840
we've seen and maybe you haven't talked about this uh came out later in the day when my colleague
00:52:32.700
anton from citizens for freedom yeah but questioned the deputy um opp yes yeah jason crawley yeah and
00:52:41.160
um in in that video what one of the things we saw was that the police uh created an exclusion zone in
00:52:48.160
windsor about a stretch of one kilometer right and in fact they were arresting protesters on the sidewalk
00:52:56.180
if they were within that exclusion zone that's right and i thought that was very interesting
00:53:01.460
because you know back in february back on february 11th and later on on february 18th we made submissions
00:53:08.320
about this injunction and both times we made sure that we could carve out a provision in that order
00:53:15.300
which respected the right the rights of protesters to peacefully protest yeah yeah for sure yeah did you
00:53:21.560
did you hear what he was talking yeah absolutely i i think we might have that clip but um that video
00:53:27.560
that was brought into evidence of that woman that was peacefully kneeling well in front of the the
00:53:32.720
police lines that was on the grass but where the sidewalks are this was just after crowley also said
00:53:38.660
that a hundred percent like you know they could peacefully protest there it was fine and then he has
00:53:44.480
this video thrown in his face essentially that's like well you know according to these police officers they
00:53:50.360
weren't allowed to and according to this video this woman that was peacefully arrested while kneeling on
00:53:55.360
um the grass again in front of police lines i think that was i mean it's not just hypocritical like it's
00:54:03.680
it's it's very ironic for that to be brought up the way that it was i quite enjoyed it though
00:54:08.200
yeah no that was pretty interesting to to hear about that all right we only have a few minutes left
00:54:12.700
of the live stream there was such an interesting live stream let's take a look at clip number five
00:54:16.360
from uh well from the commission to take a look at let's take a look at that the blockade on was
00:54:24.140
cleared and the bridge reopened before the emergencies act was invoked is that right uh
00:54:30.080
on the 14th so the 13th around midnight into the 14th i think the bridge opened around midnight
00:54:41.420
on the 14th so the emergencies act came was invoked sometime on the 14th so yes the answer to your
00:54:46.640
question is yes okay great so none of the measures in the emergencies act were used to clear the blockade
00:54:51.880
since it came after correct correct okay thank you those are my questions for you
00:54:57.060
necessary am i right yeah let's make sure we get this straight so the bridge was cleared before
00:55:06.580
trudeau our drama teacher invoked the emergency that that's right and actually that came out last
00:55:11.980
week when we cross-examined commissioner karee yeah right it's not just windsor that was clear
00:55:16.580
uh the the protest at the 402 was clear the protest in cornwall was clear right the protest in
00:55:23.780
windsor as we've seen was also clear of the protest in ottawa the police were making some progress
00:55:29.540
yeah and we we know but we're going to hear more about coops tomorrow yes very excited yeah
00:55:35.000
and you know i think this is actually it's an important point because when we talked about this
00:55:40.020
protester earlier today who was arrested um on the sidewalk yeah actually didn't have anything to
00:55:45.740
do with the emergencies act because that protester was arrested before the emergencies act was invoked
00:55:51.960
but it does show you something doesn't it it did it shows us the attitude that some people had
00:55:57.460
towards these protesters yeah i think that attitude probably informed uh the federal government when
00:56:02.920
they invoked the emergencies act no for sure and it you know it just like you said it's it is such a
00:56:08.000
shame to see something like that take place especially when they're told one thing and then it's
00:56:11.500
the the misinformation and the miscommunication i'm sure i saw some officers that didn't look too happy
00:56:17.040
to be instructing folks the way that they had to or that they did uh same way with the misinformation
00:56:22.120
spread by mainstream media but to your point about the the blockades that were resolved so to speak
00:56:29.160
before the emergencies act was invoked i mean again just for the people in the back it's almost like it
00:56:34.240
wasn't necessary right it's almost like it wasn't necessary it's almost like we're just repeating
00:56:38.340
ourselves every day you know i'm gonna i'm gonna try and open with a different dialogue tomorrow not
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you know it's the same dialogue every day folks so i'm gonna try and be more creative yeah well the issue
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is that it is we're here we're hearing the same evidence every single day we're hearing evidence
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that back what was shown the day before and then the day before that we heard evidence that
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show that back what was said that they prior to that yeah and it just spirals a whole way i think
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yeah i'm not sure justin true likes the inquiry likes like what's happening a lot i would love to be a
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fly on the wall in one of his cabinets meeting him and omar al-jabra talking about how they can spin
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the narrative and try to make it seem like they're still the good guys all right guys we've been on
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for an hour now i hope that you're not too tired of hearing us let's take a look at some of the
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some of the um the chats that we that we received throughout the live stream if you have any
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at analisa do you want to read it sure analisa 1964 for ten dollars thank you so much for your
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donation analisa um says great recap tonight plus i need to redeem myself and send a big shout out to
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william you manly man lol oh that's right because yeah yeah so for the people that didn't follow our
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recent live stream thank you analisa um i was misgendered last live stream i was misgendered
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really hurt my feeling someone said that i was a lady that's not what happened sheila and i the other
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night were on the live stream and before william came on analisa sent in a comment addressing us
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ladies and at that time we read it william happened to be sitting there so you were misgendered you're
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you're all within your madliness you're you're great you're good i'll do a complaint of using a
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bill c16s back like myself if you're going to prison analisa all right do we have any any more chats
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well perfect thank you olivia thank you efran for your hard work tonight um yeah i mentioned our
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national drama teacher earlier we didn't have time to watch some of the clips
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from him today but we will see a lot more from him tomorrow i can promise i'll make sure we touch
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on what he said um throughout the day because he always says something more ridiculous every day
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it's a drama teacher you can you never know what to expect uh thank you so much for your time
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thank you so much alan for joining us today thank you keith who's in the background still
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thank you eva who can hear me from the skies i know she can hear me uh once again rebelnewslive.com
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joining us tonight um see you tomorrow what are you afraid will come from testifying at that inquiry
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well i've said it this is a federal a federal inquiry based on the federal government
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calling for the emergency act this is a federal issue we've had our our senior public service go
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there the deputy we've had the commissioner of the opp there this was under the police i don't direct
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the police this is something that falls under the police we well the opp sent police officers there
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and they they ended it and so it's a federal government it's not a provincial government