Rebel News Podcast


BREAKDOWN： Trucker Commission Day 19 ｜ Ft. Keith Wilson


Summary

Join William and Celine as they break down the evidence from the Emergency Act inquiry into the use of force by the Ontario Police Department (OPP) in response to the Freedom Convoy protest in Ottawa on October 31st, 2019.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 You're listening to a Rebel News podcast.
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00:00:30.000 Well, good evening, everyone.
00:00:31.140 Good evening, everyone at home watching us.
00:00:33.340 This is William here.
00:00:35.120 I'm with my colleague, Celine Gallus.
00:00:38.760 Celine, how are you doing?
00:00:39.400 I forgot my name.
00:00:40.980 I'm doing great.
00:00:41.740 How are you doing tonight, William?
00:00:42.820 I'm great.
00:00:43.620 A little bit tired, but I'm amazing.
00:00:45.760 And I'm also here with King's Counsel, Keith Wilson,
00:00:50.020 lawyer for Freedom Convoy Organizers.
00:00:52.100 Keith, how are you doing?
00:00:53.140 Good.
00:00:54.040 Fatigue's been catching up to all of us,
00:00:56.080 but we're going to keep pushing through until we get this.
00:00:58.180 Yeah, you know, I think after four weeks of being here in Ottawa
00:01:00.760 and the great corrupt city of Ottawa,
00:01:02.520 it's a beautiful-looking city.
00:01:04.460 It's a gorgeous city, but I think we're all getting a little bit tired
00:01:07.420 in terms of the fatigue that's settling in.
00:01:11.680 Yeah, so just before we get started,
00:01:13.520 everyone, I need to remind you once again that we have a Rebel News live event
00:01:16.300 coming up in Toronto on November 19th
00:01:19.140 and in Calgary on November 25th.
00:01:22.280 I think, Celine, you memorized all the names by heart last time that we were here.
00:01:26.440 So can you tell us a little bit more about who is going to be there at those events?
00:01:29.620 Yeah, absolutely.
00:01:30.460 So from Rebel News, we have faces like Ezra Levant, Sheila Gunn-Reed.
00:01:33.820 I know that William and myself will also be attending to mingle with the guests,
00:01:37.260 but we also have people like Derek Fildebrandt from the Western Standard
00:01:40.440 and some other really amazing speakers.
00:01:42.640 We have Tamera Leach coming as well.
00:01:44.220 So go get yourself a ticket.
00:01:45.860 You can still attend.
00:01:46.880 And yeah.
00:01:47.240 Yeah, I was wondering if you're going to forget Tamera Leach herself,
00:01:51.300 the main speaker for everything.
00:01:53.560 If you want to get your tickets, go to rebelnewslive.com.
00:01:56.580 Where do we have to go to get our tickets, Keith?
00:02:00.240 Rebelnewslive.com.
00:02:01.980 You see, even Keith, even a lawyer can remember.
00:02:05.360 All right, so let's get to it.
00:02:06.760 So today at the Trucker Commission, the Emergency Act Inquiry,
00:02:11.020 we have three witnesses today.
00:02:13.640 It's been a while since we got to three witnesses as well,
00:02:15.820 if we take apart last week's testimonies.
00:02:19.040 Today we had the OPP, I believe OPP, right?
00:02:22.040 OPP, yeah.
00:02:23.100 Deputy Chief.
00:02:24.140 Exactly.
00:02:24.640 OPP, Deputy Chief Dana Airely.
00:02:26.700 We also had Protester, who was at the Windsor Protest.
00:02:30.440 I'm never able to pronounce his name properly.
00:02:33.140 Paul.
00:02:33.640 Let's call him Protester Paul.
00:02:35.220 Do you want to give it a try?
00:02:36.280 Paul Lashid, I believe it was.
00:02:38.020 Yeah.
00:02:38.400 Yeah.
00:02:38.780 Protester at the Windsor Blockade that was at the Ambassador Bridge.
00:02:42.160 Exactly.
00:02:42.580 Paul.
00:02:43.640 And we also had Marco from the CUDS, the CUDS protest,
00:02:48.040 a spokesperson for the CUDS protest that took place in Alberta.
00:02:53.360 So definitely some interesting testimonies that we heard today.
00:02:56.080 We heard a lot of weird things.
00:02:57.920 So Leland, what are your main takeaways from today's testimonies?
00:03:00.420 Well, that's a lot to break down because we did have three witnesses today.
00:03:03.740 So for Dana, the Deputy Chief Police from the OPP,
00:03:07.780 that was really interesting because we got to see how her testimony directly correlated with
00:03:12.320 Jason Crowley, the Windsor Deputy Police Chief, and his testimony.
00:03:19.640 Yeah.
00:03:19.880 So in regards to that, the biggest takeaways, I would say, were definitely primarily the fact
00:03:24.540 that there was a lot of reporting that Dana reported on, supposed alleged bomb threats,
00:03:31.240 multiple.
00:03:31.600 In fact, that to my knowledge, this was the first time that I heard of three to four separate bombing
00:03:36.880 threats, allegedly from within the convoy.
00:03:39.880 None of those transpired or took place.
00:03:41.840 If you weren't watching the truckers commission or the inquiry live today.
00:03:45.440 And then we have Paul, Paul, we've got Paul.
00:03:50.100 Protester Paul.
00:03:50.940 Yeah.
00:03:51.300 So kind of there to counter the narrative from the Deputy Police Chief, Dana, from the OPP
00:03:57.740 in regards to the Windsor blockade along Ambassador Bridge.
00:04:01.220 So what we saw there was that there weren't, again, a large stretch from the mainstream media
00:04:07.860 in regards to the amount of truckers that were there and protesters, as well as some of
00:04:12.520 the police tactics that were or weren't used, a big thing that we saw yesterday was testimonies
00:04:17.860 from Chief Deputy Police, Jason Crowley, in regards to children being used as human shields.
00:04:23.920 That's right.
00:04:24.560 That was brought up today twice through Dana's testimony, as well as Paul's testimony.
00:04:31.520 And Paul said that there were almost no children during the night.
00:04:35.080 None at all.
00:04:35.620 In fact, it was teenagers.
00:04:37.240 And majority of the day, they would be there for just a small amount of time.
00:04:40.360 That was his reportings as a protester there on the ground.
00:04:43.920 And then we have Marco van Heugenbals.
00:04:45.900 So he was a spokesperson for the Kutz blockade.
00:04:49.520 And he had a lot of interactions.
00:04:51.560 And in fact, he does speak about his interactions with the RCMP as being very friendly and having
00:04:56.780 a very good relationship with them.
00:04:58.740 So there's lots to go over today.
00:05:00.860 Lots to go over.
00:05:02.140 Yeah.
00:05:02.200 So we have a lawyer here.
00:05:04.220 Keith, how much of this testimony is it that you should take a look at?
00:05:07.360 I tried to get in as much as I could.
00:05:09.220 But as is typical, I was in and out of meetings and dealing with urgent phone calls.
00:05:14.120 As I've explained before, the hearing for us secures in overlapping phases because we're
00:05:21.020 now preparing to cross-examine some of the federal government witnesses.
00:05:25.160 And we have to file our document list three days ahead of time.
00:05:27.900 And the document disclosure process is ongoing.
00:05:32.080 And today we received a new document dump from the federal government comprising over
00:05:36.940 a thousand records in addition to the many, many several thousand we've already received.
00:05:42.660 So we're aggressively going through those documents.
00:05:45.540 The practice of governments, myself having sued them many times, is that they bombard you
00:05:51.440 with documents and they try and hide the good stuff within fluff.
00:05:55.640 So you really have to cut through it all to find the good stuff.
00:06:00.460 And I can assure you, we will find it.
00:06:02.680 Yeah.
00:06:02.740 Well, thank you for always coming on the show.
00:06:04.260 And we ask you, even though you're super busy, I hope you're not going to start charging
00:06:07.700 us.
00:06:08.520 What?
00:06:08.980 I'm not getting paid?
00:06:10.440 Yeah, exactly.
00:06:11.200 I hope that you don't start charging us your retainer fee that we learned a little bit
00:06:15.360 earlier.
00:06:16.440 All right.
00:06:16.760 Well, to start the whole evening, let's take a look at clip number one from OPP Deputy Chief
00:06:23.640 Dana Earley.
00:06:25.600 Let's take a look at what she had to say.
00:06:28.340 I want to ask you specifically to explain about this concept of addressing events at the lowest
00:06:37.620 competent level in the context of a kind of ladder or escalation.
00:06:42.340 What does that mean?
00:06:43.080 The lowest competent level?
00:06:44.400 The less invasive, the less, so lowest competent level would be, the prime example would be
00:06:54.200 our provincial liaison team.
00:06:56.600 Being able to discuss the removal of protesters for them to leave on their own would be ideal.
00:07:05.260 So that's what you would try first?
00:07:07.620 Absolutely.
00:07:08.060 And then if that did not meet with success, then you escalate.
00:07:12.680 Yes.
00:07:13.100 What would be the next ladder or the next step up the ladder?
00:07:16.640 I think jointly along with PLT, we are also using a media strategy to make sure that we
00:07:22.300 were educating everybody in regards to that it was unlawful to be there, that there was
00:07:26.980 other options that they could express their freedom of speech.
00:07:30.020 So there was the media attached at the same time as provincial liaison teams were trying to
00:07:35.220 develop rapport with the protesters.
00:07:39.860 And it's very interesting to listen to all of these stages of de-escalation instead of having
00:07:44.600 to go straight ahead to the nuclear option, which is the Emergencies Act.
00:07:49.640 What did you make of her comments on police strategies?
00:07:53.780 Yeah, no, it's exactly what you said.
00:07:55.040 I think that there is a lot of different levels that this could have been approached at and
00:07:58.280 it didn't immediately have to go to.
00:08:00.080 It's explained almost as if they took all of these steps from A to Z and it was just such
00:08:07.340 a last resort to invoke the Emergencies Act and it was totally necessary.
00:08:11.880 It actually wasn't.
00:08:13.320 And actually multiple people have testified, multiple city officials have testified that
00:08:17.480 it was not indeed necessary, regardless of what they were seeing from the protesters and
00:08:21.760 the convoy from within the convoy.
00:08:23.700 Yeah, something I was a little bit curious to hear about was her social media strategy.
00:08:29.320 So I don't know if you know a little bit what that is.
00:08:31.400 I'm not too familiar with what she meant by that.
00:08:33.980 So can you explain to us?
00:08:35.540 Well, I didn't really follow the whole social media strategy aspect that they were focused
00:08:40.320 on.
00:08:40.640 I mean, it's important that they were using all different strategies.
00:08:43.600 The piece of testimony that really struck me was the OPP explaining that there was a letter
00:08:53.680 coming from the government at a high level, extending an offer to open up direct negotiations
00:09:01.020 with the protesters at Windsor.
00:09:04.140 That's right.
00:09:04.540 But the OPP was concerned about the absence of a similar letter going to the Ottawa protesters
00:09:13.340 and what implications that might have had.
00:09:16.960 And I think that shines a light on a broader theme and problem here, which is it's become
00:09:25.320 so clear from the evidence that the prime minister in the prime minister's office was, you know,
00:09:32.100 furious about the protests of average Canadians of all ethnic backgrounds coming together in
00:09:39.220 Ottawa, that that there was no circumstance under which you could see that the prime minister
00:09:45.560 was prepared to engage in a dialogue with the Canadians.
00:09:49.420 He purports to be the leader of the leader of our country.
00:09:54.000 So and the fact that that was so glaringly obvious to the OPP that it actually put them into
00:10:01.500 an operational pause that they were they had a sequence planned to carry out and they actually
00:10:08.020 put it on hold because they're like, wait a minute, if word gets out in Windsor that we're
00:10:15.500 proposing to have direct the government's proposing to have direct dialogue and there's
00:10:20.480 no similar gesture to Ottawa, what's the ramifications from that?
00:10:23.940 So I was that was very revealing to me.
00:10:25.820 And I think where we saw the comments that you're just talking about, it was in the transcript of the
00:10:30.300 phone call between Doug Ford and Justin Trudeau.
00:10:33.400 Yes.
00:10:34.040 Where I believe Doug Ford, it might have been Doug Ford or Justin Trudeau.
00:10:37.700 I think it was Justin Trudeau who said, and I quote, I always wonder if they are not very smart people
00:10:42.360 trying to think about shaming Canada in all sorts of ways and hurting the economy and getting
00:10:48.020 jobs back to the US.
00:10:49.240 We've got to respond quickly to this.
00:10:52.280 I don't think that this is a vocabulary used by someone who's willing to engage in a discussion,
00:10:58.800 in dialogue, in negotiations, basically.
00:11:01.360 Absolutely.
00:11:02.160 It just really, again, shows the prime minister's pettiness, his vindictiveness.
00:11:08.660 And this is not new.
00:11:09.720 We've heard that from, you know, former cabinet ministers that have fallen out of grace and
00:11:15.160 how he is so petty in his interpersonal dealings with people that challenge him.
00:11:21.880 And here Canadians, hardworking blue collar Canadians challenged him on a grand scale and
00:11:26.960 he was going to have no part of it.
00:11:29.340 And everybody's been reacting to that reality that we see it translate right down to the police
00:11:36.320 pausing some of their implemented steps because of what they could see the prime minister was
00:11:42.440 doing, which was refusing to have any dialogue with the protesters here in Ottawa.
00:11:46.860 Yeah.
00:11:47.520 Do you have anything to add to that?
00:11:48.740 No, you guys pretty much summed it up.
00:11:50.440 Yeah, definitely.
00:11:51.160 Yeah.
00:11:51.860 So while we see right here, if we can zoom in on the picture, that's part of the transcript
00:11:57.740 of the phone call between Justin Trudeau and Ontario Premier Doug for both liberals, in
00:12:03.040 my opinion.
00:12:04.440 So it starts well, but then if you actually take the time to read everything under, you see
00:12:08.800 some derogatory comments by Justin Trudeau and by Premier Doug Ford in regards to the
00:12:16.220 protests or Justin Trudeau basically implies that there are less than stupid, not very smart
00:12:21.280 people and talks about how they can deal with those individuals.
00:12:26.100 So definitely a very odd phone call between those two that seem to be campaigning together
00:12:33.400 all the time.
00:12:34.340 They seem to have the same views on speech and everything.
00:12:36.880 And that brings me on to my next point, freedom of speech.
00:12:39.400 We heard Dana Yearly speak about freedom of speech, and this might take a little while
00:12:44.540 to explain, but what are the acceptable restrictions on freedom of speech when it comes to protests?
00:12:55.220 Well, we have a very fundamental right of free speech in Canada, and that's been recognized
00:13:00.080 by our Supreme Court of Canada in many cases.
00:13:02.640 And it includes making speech that other people don't like.
00:13:08.380 That's how we live in a free society.
00:13:11.240 That's how we test ideas.
00:13:12.620 That's how we improve ideas.
00:13:14.620 That's how we figure out which ideas are bad, is by being able to talk freely about them.
00:13:22.340 Yeah, I think that goes with something that Jordan Peterson is famous for saying.
00:13:26.540 You know, when he talks about freedom of speech, he says that free speech is the foundation
00:13:30.200 of Western society.
00:13:31.120 That's how you make your opinion.
00:13:33.280 That's how you settle your opinion in a civil society.
00:13:35.940 I remember him saying the exact line at his free speech rally in Toronto.
00:13:40.760 And I think without freedom of speech, we can't flourish in actual society.
00:13:45.820 Absolutely agreed.
00:13:46.700 That's very true.
00:13:47.520 And those are all points that this revolves around.
00:13:49.500 And if we don't have free speech, then what do we really have at the end of the day?
00:13:53.520 100%.
00:13:54.000 All right, let's move on to second clip from, once again, Deputy Chief of the OPP, Dana Early.
00:14:01.000 Let's take a look at that.
00:14:02.840 We've also heard yesterday about the presence of children during the blockade.
00:14:10.460 And how did intelligence inform your planning about this aspect?
00:14:16.740 Obviously, that was a concern of mine, that if we had to use the plan of action, that I wanted
00:14:23.440 the lowest amount of children to be there.
00:14:25.800 Intelligence was able to provide me with areas that they had detected where the children were
00:14:32.260 hanging out or were present in the protest.
00:14:37.140 They were also able to tell me that because of their intelligence, because of their overwatch,
00:14:42.180 that the majority of the children went home at night, and very little of them stayed overnight.
00:14:48.180 And so that led me to obviously looking at the option of going first thing in the morning
00:14:53.720 with any plan of operation if needed.
00:14:56.360 Was that the plan, to have the action begin early in the morning?
00:15:00.440 Yes.
00:15:01.040 And what considerations led you to that decision?
00:15:05.160 Knowing from intel that they had not observed any children overnight, and that when children
00:15:11.300 were present, it was usually not till later in the day.
00:15:15.600 Is that what you were talking about earlier?
00:15:17.520 Yeah.
00:15:17.820 So this is when I would have liked to be a lawyer and then jump on the stand and be like,
00:15:22.300 so then why does your testimony not correlate and contrast so much with Jason Crowley's testimony
00:15:29.220 from yesterday, where he said the total opposite?
00:15:31.640 And in fact, just seeing a picture of children holding hands was enough evidence for him to suggest
00:15:36.720 that they were then being used as human shields.
00:15:38.840 I'm just not sure how much clearer it can be.
00:15:42.880 And she says intelligence.
00:15:44.380 And also Jason Crowley mentioned that a lot of the intelligence that he gathered was from
00:15:48.720 mainstream media.
00:15:50.060 It sounds like her intelligence sources were actually of real intelligence, if you know
00:15:53.940 what I mean.
00:15:54.700 Just go back on your comments from last live stream.
00:15:57.740 You said we always repeat ourself.
00:16:00.340 Because this is repeating.
00:16:02.320 It is true.
00:16:03.120 The evidence of one person does not corroborate the evidence of another person.
00:16:09.000 The evidence showed and the testimony given by one individual does not corroborate the testimony
00:16:14.500 given by a person prior to that same person who testified.
00:16:18.600 It's a huge pattern.
00:16:19.680 And it's very strange to me.
00:16:21.380 I mean, I mean, is it really that strange?
00:16:23.640 Like, I'm not sure what I was expecting from any of this, but to have two people who were
00:16:28.840 in charge of dealing and creating a solution with the blockade at Ambassador Bridge, pardon
00:16:34.740 me, at the Windsor, in Windsor, and to have them not be able to agree on simple things like
00:16:42.040 that.
00:16:42.620 Their intelligence should have been close to the same thing because they shared resources,
00:16:47.000 because they were in so-called constant.
00:16:49.100 And they were always working with each other.
00:16:52.020 So I'm not sure how that's possible at all.
00:16:54.240 Yeah, that's how it should have been if you had a functioning police service, a functioning
00:16:58.960 OPP and everything.
00:16:59.980 Yeah, I think so.
00:17:00.540 Yeah.
00:17:00.800 From your lawyer with high retainer fee eyes, what did you make of this clip?
00:17:06.860 Well, what I make of it is the theme from this evidence today and yesterday about children
00:17:13.220 and the evidence that we had in the previous weeks from the Ottawa Police Service when we
00:17:20.180 discovered that they had spent over $200,000 hiring the public relations firm Navigator.
00:17:28.080 And one of the strategies that Navigator recommended the police use was to focus on the children
00:17:35.220 and create this false narrative that children would be taken away from their families.
00:17:45.520 What's clear when you look at the testimony today and yesterday from Windsor and put that up against
00:17:53.380 the testimony from what happened in Ottawa, that the government and the police forces in their
00:17:59.260 desperate attempt to vilify lawful Canadians exercising protest rights are trying to use
00:18:06.080 children as a pawn.
00:18:07.820 And that's not a good thing.
00:18:10.080 That's a pretty low way to go.
00:18:13.400 Yeah.
00:18:13.580 And you mentioned Navigator in what you just said.
00:18:16.800 For those viewers that only tuned in last week or today, can you walk us through what
00:18:22.400 was the whole issue?
00:18:23.340 What was the whole situation with the police using Navigator?
00:18:26.140 And what is Navigator for those who don't know?
00:18:28.260 Well, Navigator is a public relations, government relations firm, an issues management firm, a
00:18:34.540 lobbyist firm.
00:18:36.020 And they were brought in by the Ottawa Police Service to help them.
00:18:42.380 And they are the ones that created some false narratives about children going to be taken
00:18:50.280 away.
00:18:51.120 And the Children's Aid Society was very troubled about this nonsense story.
00:18:57.820 They also knew that a lot of the truckers had their pets with them, which many truckers have
00:19:06.000 dogs and small dogs that they travel with for companionship, that they were going to bring
00:19:11.460 in the Humane Society and take them away too.
00:19:13.880 It just showed the extent to which they were prepared to go and the fact that they were
00:19:20.320 prepared to spend so many taxpayer dollars from citizens of Ottawa on this Navigator outfit
00:19:27.480 was remarkable.
00:19:29.460 And how the simplest and the most Canadian thing to have happened would have been for the Prime
00:19:36.840 minister or some of his cabinet ministers to say, hey, can we have a dialogue about this?
00:19:43.080 Can you share with us your concerns as to what brought you to Ottawa and what you think
00:19:47.900 we've got wrong as a government?
00:19:49.580 And we can explain to you why we did what we did and why we think we got it right.
00:19:55.040 That's what we normally do in Canada, but not under Trudeau's Canada.
00:19:59.700 No, I think that it's totally outrageous.
00:20:01.340 I mean, you think about all the city officials and members in government that are now talking
00:20:04.720 about this, like they're like, they're so surprised that after two years of them being silent and
00:20:11.100 not listening to the public outcry of all of these restrictions being put into place,
00:20:15.180 that something actually came out of it.
00:20:17.280 It wasn't what they wanted.
00:20:18.740 And so now they're crying about it.
00:20:20.660 And I think that it's ridiculous that they didn't think at some point that something wouldn't
00:20:25.320 be done, that people wouldn't stand up for their rights and freedoms, that they would
00:20:28.780 say no more.
00:20:29.460 When I listened to the testimony of the two non-police witnesses today, the protesters,
00:20:34.940 the protester, representative protester from Windsor and then from Cootes, is they both
00:20:40.300 talked about how incredibly harmful the government restrictions were, not just the federal, but
00:20:50.060 the provincial and the municipal ones as well.
00:20:52.500 And any time one of the witnesses, and think about you both observing this either virtually
00:21:00.020 or in the room, I find whenever a witness brings that up, there's this instant awkwardness
00:21:07.020 and tension by the commissioner and the commission council.
00:21:10.980 It's just like they want the harms that the government did to tens of millions of Canadians
00:21:19.260 to be whitewashed away from history and never spoken about again.
00:21:27.240 And that is not how we heal.
00:21:29.000 And that is not how we prevent this from happening again.
00:21:31.340 We have to talk about these things.
00:21:33.000 And this is why they're trying so hard also to object to any evidence that's being brought
00:21:36.400 forward that would highlight the brutalities from the police and from the government officials
00:21:40.040 themselves.
00:21:41.140 It's so obvious what's going on.
00:21:43.140 And I totally agree with you.
00:21:44.380 There's this weird silence in the room and like uncomfortable shifting where they're just
00:21:49.080 kind of holding their breath, hoping that they don't see something that is true, but
00:21:54.120 something that is so true that, you know, I'm just hoping that someone comes forward that
00:21:59.480 they're not counting on coming forward and just being like, actually, this is what happened.
00:22:03.560 And then that's it.
00:22:04.800 You know, I totally agree.
00:22:05.840 And I think that we can, we can all notice it when you're actually in the room, you can
00:22:08.660 see even the people in the crowd, like they, they, they respond to what is being said.
00:22:13.160 When it's something they disagree with, you can see the crowd energy switch when it's
00:22:17.520 something they agree with.
00:22:18.680 Yeah.
00:22:18.980 You can notice the crowd energy switch.
00:22:20.900 And when it's someone like Tamara, at least she talks about the fact that people in her
00:22:24.340 community were committing suicide so much that the community of medicine had decided to
00:22:32.380 stop reporting the suicide.
00:22:33.620 When you hear Tamara, at least speak about her experience traveling across Canada and coming
00:22:38.080 across families and people that jump in her arms crying because they thought about committing
00:22:42.920 suicide.
00:22:43.420 When you hear all of these stories, the crowd energy switches, and I think that people at
00:22:49.120 home can actually notice the, the honesty.
00:22:51.600 And once again, I don't think this would happen.
00:22:53.140 I hope this wouldn't be happening.
00:22:55.500 And I don't believe it would in a, in a, in a country where we, we have someone else as
00:23:01.280 Justin Trudeau, someone else in Dutch, Justin Trudeau is our prime minister.
00:23:04.240 Someone doesn't go on a drag queen show.
00:23:07.060 So I saw that today.
00:23:08.840 Oh my gosh.
00:23:10.200 If you don't know what I'm talking about, go to Canada's drag race, just write it on
00:23:12.820 Twitter after the live stream.
00:23:14.280 But yeah, I think that if we had a different prime minister and Justin Trudeau, that wouldn't
00:23:17.500 be the case.
00:23:18.160 Unfortunately, he's the one that we're stuck with.
00:23:20.740 I just, I wanted to make a little point on that too.
00:23:23.160 I just think it's, it's very interesting that we have like one of the biggest things
00:23:27.740 in Canadian history happening right now.
00:23:29.420 At least it will be in my lifetime.
00:23:30.820 Fingers crossed that nothing crazier happens than this really.
00:23:33.300 But instead of focusing on this and actually putting towards some sort of effort to, you
00:23:38.900 know, put into the minds of the people that are tuning into this every single day or the
00:23:43.480 people that are testifying, um, that he will have some sort of greater part in this, you
00:23:47.760 know, that he's called to testify as well, and that he'll be there.
00:23:50.600 Instead, you just see all of the headlines are Justin Trudeau is going to be on a drag
00:23:54.380 show.
00:23:54.720 He's going to be, he's going to have some sort of my brain, my brain with these things.
00:24:00.460 He prefers going on a drag queen show than negotiating with protesters.
00:24:05.320 Anyway, I won't spend too much time on, uh, on Justin Trudeau's drag queen experience.
00:24:10.140 Let's take a look at clip number four from where we see Alan Horner, a good friend from
00:24:16.760 the Democracy Fund, cross-examined, um, OPP deputy chief early.
00:24:22.140 Uh, Superintendent Early, um, you can, uh, tell me though, um, that, and, you know, to
00:24:32.700 the, to the credit of you and your team, that you managed to get this blockade at the Ambassador
00:24:38.780 Bridge cleared within two days of your appointment, um, as CIC.
00:24:45.860 Yes.
00:24:46.380 And you would agree with me then that you and your team managed to resolve one of the
00:24:52.940 most urgent priorities in the country without the benefit of the emergencies act.
00:24:57.740 Correct.
00:24:58.960 Thank you.
00:25:00.760 Point blank.
00:25:01.940 That's all I have to say.
00:25:03.160 Point blank.
00:25:03.860 When asked, there was no, well, I'm not sure it was.
00:25:07.560 Yes, that's right.
00:25:08.640 Yes, exactly.
00:25:09.880 You know, I, I, to our point, I wrote an article recently for rebel news about how the liberals
00:25:14.860 tried to create an emergency, control the narrative out of the information they had during the
00:25:20.920 Freedom Convoy in order to enact the emergencies act.
00:25:23.600 I got a bunch of response of people saying, are you actually watching the inquiry?
00:25:27.280 Are you actually watching the inquiry?
00:25:28.580 Everyone says that it was necessary.
00:25:30.380 You can see how necessary it was.
00:25:33.060 It's, it's unbelievable.
00:25:34.040 I don't think that people are actually listening to inquiry because just now, once again, helpful,
00:25:39.220 but not necessary.
00:25:40.560 And she didn't even say helpful.
00:25:41.940 She just said it wasn't necessary.
00:25:44.300 How many times have you been hearing this consistently?
00:25:47.140 There's been, there's been all of the witnesses when the questions are narrowly framed to be
00:25:53.720 clear and to stop this obfuscation and weaseling out stuff.
00:25:58.700 They've always said, yeah, that we didn't need it.
00:26:01.200 We didn't need it.
00:26:02.140 We didn't ask for it.
00:26:03.400 It wasn't necessary.
00:26:04.820 We did what we did without it.
00:26:06.560 It provided no difference.
00:26:08.520 You know, um, it's, it's, it is, there's no hope left for the government.
00:26:16.660 Now the evidence from all of the people who would be in the know as to whether the criteria
00:26:24.800 to invoke the emergencies act were present, have testified under oath with great clarity that none of the conditions were present.
00:26:34.640 As we just saw in that clip, the way that that police official responded and the tone in which she said, correct.
00:26:43.600 She obviously, she said, she also added by her body language.
00:26:48.380 Isn't it obvious?
00:26:49.880 Yeah.
00:26:50.260 Right.
00:26:50.600 It's like, obviously correct.
00:26:52.540 We didn't need it.
00:26:53.700 No, for sure.
00:26:54.620 Didn't need it.
00:26:55.100 Didn't use it.
00:26:55.640 I think as you just mentioned, any straightforward, clear, and concise lawyer, like, um, Miller time from like Brendan Miller, like Bathsheba Vandenberg, like on honor, like Antoine from JCC.
00:27:08.040 Yeah.
00:27:08.320 I think whenever these lawyers ask her question, it shows that the government was wrong.
00:27:14.120 It shows that they were not in the right to invoke the emergency act.
00:27:17.000 Because correct me if I'm wrong, but I think for the emergency act, for the EA to be invoked, it needs to be necessary.
00:27:23.000 Am I wrong?
00:27:23.640 Absolutely.
00:27:24.480 I mean, this is, this used to be called the war measures act.
00:27:28.240 This is, this is, uh, we've invoked it three other times.
00:27:32.680 One was world war one.
00:27:35.140 Can you guess the second time?
00:27:36.860 World war two.
00:27:38.940 And the third time was the FLQ crisis when they'd assassinated a politician and kidnapped an ambassador.
00:27:45.740 Uh, and they were blowing things up.
00:27:48.500 And then here we had hardworking non-laptop class Canadians of every ethnic and religious background, uh, peacefully protesting cleaning and snow removal in the streets, feeding the homeless, um, uh, Quebecers.
00:28:06.580 And Albertans embracing one another, which is rare.
00:28:09.580 Yes.
00:28:10.060 Yes.
00:28:10.660 Yes.
00:28:11.060 Uh, um, and, and saying enough, we need our Canada back.
00:28:15.900 So for the prime minister to do it, it's obvious, you know, petulant child temper tantrum.
00:28:23.920 I mentioned the other day, there's a reason there's nothing on his desk.
00:28:27.180 It's for the staff safety.
00:28:28.980 Cause we know we'd probably throw things when they come in and give them bad news.
00:28:32.520 I think that she forgot costume loving.
00:28:35.060 He loves to wear, to wear, to wear different types of costume.
00:28:39.040 That might be the reason why he hated Convoy so much.
00:28:41.220 He was sad.
00:28:42.300 He wasn't invited to go in front of them and wear a C costume or wear a blackface costume.
00:28:47.820 I was going to say it's probably because, yeah.
00:28:49.580 Cause he would turn up in blackface and really no one would like that.
00:28:53.440 So exactly.
00:28:54.120 With this diverse.
00:28:55.660 So I know you just mentioned that the crowd was diverse at Alberta and surprisingly were able to get along with Quebecers.
00:29:03.060 This is rare.
00:29:04.020 I think we're seeing it.
00:29:04.960 We're seeing it here.
00:29:07.040 Well, there you have it.
00:29:08.560 Justin Trudeau.
00:29:10.940 That's incredible.
00:29:11.760 Multiple costumes.
00:29:13.020 Truly is.
00:29:14.100 Wow.
00:29:14.560 Like it's, there's no effort into any of these looks.
00:29:17.800 You can tell he just takes them on.
00:29:19.940 See that one where he's posing like as Hitler.
00:29:22.420 Well, that was a soldier.
00:29:24.880 He looks like a soldier.
00:29:26.880 Some of them are Photoshop and we are aware of it.
00:29:29.440 But you mentioned the dynamic of the crowd in Ottawa.
00:29:33.300 That Albertans were hugging Quebecers, which is very rare in my opinion.
00:29:36.720 That you saw diverse communities all coming across together.
00:29:40.520 Can you tell us more about that?
00:29:42.360 Well, I mean, you know, you heard Tamara Leach's testimony that, that in her history is one where she would, had, had lost hope on Canada as a federation and, and, or a confederation and, and wanted to support the independence of Alberta.
00:29:58.640 And her experience in Ottawa, um, and, and since has restored her hope in Canada as, as a, as a unified nation.
00:30:09.440 And, and, and she testified to this, but I knew of it before that she's already taken, uh, started to learn how to speak French.
00:30:17.140 And, uh, uh, she has spent a tremendous amount of time when she's been able to in Quebec, uh, with all of her new Quebec friends.
00:30:25.140 Yeah.
00:30:25.580 You know, I truly look forward to having discussion with Tamara Leach in French.
00:30:28.960 That'll be, that'll be a nice discussion.
00:30:30.600 So how far are you into learning French?
00:30:33.000 I don't know.
00:30:33.520 I guess you're going to get to test her.
00:30:35.340 They're going to say when she's allowed to speak to the people.
00:30:37.300 Yeah.
00:30:37.540 That's right.
00:30:38.000 When you get your exclusive.
00:30:39.700 Exactly.
00:30:40.220 Yeah.
00:30:40.340 Coming soon, guys.
00:30:41.660 Stay tuned for that.
00:30:42.440 That'll be great.
00:30:43.220 All right.
00:30:43.440 Well, thank you so much for coming on.
00:30:44.840 It's already passed a three minute past the time we were supposed to be on.
00:30:48.340 Thanks so much.
00:30:49.180 And until next time, I guess.
00:30:50.540 Thank you both.
00:30:51.220 Of course.
00:30:51.640 All right.
00:30:51.860 Let's take a quick break.
00:30:53.620 And when we come back, we will have Sydney Fizzard, another Rebel News contributor, to talk to us about Alberta, COOTS, and a lot more.
00:31:00.700 So stay tuned for that, guys.
00:31:01.680 Thank you both.
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00:33:01.640 Isn't that hypocritical?
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00:33:31.640 We're here with Sidney Fizzard from Alberta in the studio.
00:33:49.560 Sidney, how are you doing?
00:33:50.760 I'm doing all right.
00:33:51.600 It's been a long day at the commission.
00:33:52.820 I'm glad to be joining everyone.
00:33:54.140 Great.
00:33:54.440 So Sidney is our Coutts border situation specialist who's going to be talking to us a little bit more about what went on at the Coutts border situation.
00:34:01.640 Coutts border blockade back in February, right?
00:34:05.400 Yep.
00:34:05.800 Yeah.
00:34:05.920 Back in February, in the beginning, the tail end of January, I should say.
00:34:09.460 And I should also say to my left is Kian Simone, who was also there for a very extended amount of time.
00:34:15.100 We suffered through the conditions that they did as well.
00:34:18.000 All the protesters down there, negative 30 felt like 40, 30 kilometer winds.
00:34:22.100 It was brutal.
00:34:23.800 But their determination was like nothing you'd ever seen.
00:34:26.740 Yeah.
00:34:26.920 So we'll get to that shortly.
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00:34:50.280 So that'll be great.
00:34:51.260 All right.
00:34:51.520 Sydney, do you want to give us a quick rundown?
00:34:54.400 I know it took a long time for you staying at Kuz with Kian and everything.
00:34:58.600 Can you give us a quick rundown of what exactly went on there?
00:35:01.920 Oh, at the blockade or today?
00:35:03.320 Yeah.
00:35:03.740 So, yeah.
00:35:05.300 Well, the rough summary is it?
00:35:07.360 Pardon me.
00:35:07.900 The rough summary was that at the time of the Kuz blockade and as the slow roll was arriving in the area,
00:35:13.740 it was the same time roughly that the convoy to Ottawa was arriving in Ottawa and consequently the weeks that it stayed.
00:35:22.040 So that's a place that was a little closer to home for many Albertans who couldn't make the trek across the country,
00:35:27.520 but still wanted to show their support.
00:35:29.440 And they did.
00:35:31.320 And thousands upon thousands of Albertans came out to show how unhappy they were,
00:35:35.260 not only with the federal restrictions around COVID and a lot of the mandates that have been put forward,
00:35:39.700 but as well most of the Alberta-specific provincial restrictions that we saw.
00:35:44.860 So they took part in this blockade that ultimately started as a slow roll.
00:35:50.920 And then I guess most of the people decided, well, you know what?
00:35:53.580 I think we're all here.
00:35:56.120 Why are we going to leave?
00:35:57.440 We want to make our voices heard and we feel like it hasn't been done for the last two years.
00:36:00.840 And that's exactly what they did.
00:36:02.860 And Marco said today, you know, they were there for 18 days, a lot of them.
00:36:06.400 And I covered, what, 16 of that.
00:36:08.500 And it was, all the while, it was entirely peaceful.
00:36:12.380 You know, at the end, Marco mentioned that to his knowledge, there was only 13 individuals that were arrested.
00:36:16.860 And that is from the execution of warrants that happened on February 13th and 14th.
00:36:21.920 And the RCMP moved in.
00:36:23.660 They arrested a bunch of people.
00:36:24.940 A couple of those individuals got the charges stayed.
00:36:27.380 A couple of individuals have more serious charges and have been denied bail.
00:36:30.000 I can't speak to the validity of those charges, but nonetheless, they remain behind bars.
00:36:37.500 And ultimately, that moment near the end was the moment where the protesters, and Marco mentioned this,
00:36:44.500 they saw the news that was coming out.
00:36:47.240 They saw the representation on the 13th and 14th of the Coutts blockade and the way the media was portraying it.
00:36:53.620 And it was all, you know, guns, guns, guns, weapons, seized, weapons, seized.
00:36:57.040 And that wasn't the message that they were trying to convey.
00:36:59.280 This event that took place blocks and blocks away, it might not sound like much in a city,
00:37:05.400 but in a small town where you can literally see the other end of the town,
00:37:08.980 it's, I guess some people would bring that proximity up, and they got labeled with Coutts.
00:37:14.280 And all of a sudden, the media was reporting on the Coutts blockade as a Coutts weapon seized, yada, yada.
00:37:19.860 And they decided that their message had been heard.
00:37:22.840 They don't want to be affiliated with any extremism that was possibly present.
00:37:26.500 And again, I can't speak to the validity of these charges, but that was the moment when they decided to back up.
00:37:32.060 I feel like there's probably a bunch of stuff I'm going to ask.
00:37:33.880 Oh, well, that was great.
00:37:35.160 I understood everything that went on, generally speaking.
00:37:37.740 I think we both got a sense of what Coutts was like.
00:37:41.460 Yeah, I went there for, I think I went there twice.
00:37:44.760 But you, yeah, you know what's going on, 100%.
00:37:49.880 Well, I like to think so.
00:37:51.600 But I don't think, I mean, even today, I don't think the RCMP had much of a clue,
00:37:55.360 and you'd think that they'd be the ones.
00:37:56.220 Well, there you go.
00:37:56.900 That's a great example.
00:37:58.500 Well, you know, and maybe, I don't want to cast blame too quickly,
00:38:01.140 but they talk, one of the important things that Marco mentioned today was Artur Kulowski,
00:38:04.920 who spent, I believe it was 51 days behind bars for his alleged, I don't know how you would call it.
00:38:13.880 He gave a sermon.
00:38:15.060 Yeah, he gave a sermon.
00:38:15.740 He's a preacher, preachers preach.
00:38:16.800 The issue that was proposed out of that was that he had somehow incited them to stay at the border blockade and whatnot.
00:38:23.720 And Marco mentioned, before Artur Kulowski even made his speech,
00:38:27.480 that got in 51 days in prison for keeping the truckers at the border,
00:38:31.860 the truckers had already decided that they were going to stay at the border.
00:38:34.260 So, honestly, that says a lot.
00:38:36.680 Yeah, exactly.
00:38:37.360 And it was already revealed as well that this was a leaderless movement.
00:38:41.300 So, unless they're proposing that Artur Kulowski was, in fact, the leader of this entire thing,
00:38:45.820 then there you go.
00:38:47.220 It's a little bit like what they were talking about here with Ottawa Hydra.
00:38:52.580 I think that was the name of the operation that either the OPS or the OPP.
00:38:56.180 Hydra, that's right.
00:38:56.780 Yeah, Hydra, yeah, because it's a monster with multiple heads.
00:39:00.060 Former chief slowly used, exactly.
00:39:01.860 Here, if you took one down, three out of one would rise up and take the lead as well.
00:39:06.880 So, Seth, is there a reason why you're here in Ottawa today?
00:39:10.160 You flew from the great province of Alberta to come to Ottawa.
00:39:14.020 No reason aside from the fact that Marco is a witness at the Public Order Emergency Commission.
00:39:19.240 I know there's some discussion around how nice Ottawa is.
00:39:21.920 I will say the weather is a little warmer than it is in Calgary, if you like that sort of thing.
00:39:27.120 But my focus is on those individuals who are related to COOTS, who are now here for the Public Order Emergency Commission.
00:39:34.440 And I could add to that, the Public Order Emergency Commission, I believe, was invoked on the 13th.
00:39:40.100 14th.
00:39:40.600 14th, right?
00:39:41.260 Yeah, sorry, the 14th.
00:39:42.360 The 13th is when the execution of warrants started through the night and then into the wee hours of the morning.
00:39:47.920 We're talking like 2, 3 a.m., I think, is when that wrapped up.
00:39:51.280 And after that, I think Marco said around 12 o'clock on the 14th is when they said, you know, we're going to pack up, we're going to head home.
00:39:57.960 That's when they finalized conversation with the RCMP on that front.
00:40:02.100 And I believe after that was when Trudeau invoked the Emergency Act, Emergencies Act.
00:40:08.580 The 14th.
00:40:09.380 Bit of an interesting timing.
00:40:10.340 What was that?
00:40:10.820 On the 14th on Valentine's Day.
00:40:12.460 That's a great way to say I love you.
00:40:13.620 It's Canadian.
00:40:14.100 No.
00:40:15.040 No.
00:40:16.040 William.
00:40:16.440 But what is really interesting about that is, I know this is just my opinion, but yeah, that is really interesting timing, isn't it?
00:40:24.480 After everything had been resolved, so to speak, right?
00:40:27.780 This is exactly what we saw in Windsor as well.
00:40:29.840 Actually, they had the tow trucks prepared and everything.
00:40:32.220 But that blockade, that was disassembled before the EA was invoked.
00:40:38.060 It was not necessary there either.
00:40:39.520 Well, and I can say in Coots, I mean, we spoke to the individuals there who were in attendance and, you know, like the Emergencies Act is upon us.
00:40:46.520 You know, is this a concern for you guys?
00:40:48.500 You know, you're clearly at a demonstration that might see the crack of, or what do you call it, the whip come down with the Emergencies Act and vote.
00:40:57.300 They're like, no, it really had nothing to do with it.
00:40:59.480 It would take time to bring that enforcement into play.
00:41:02.300 It was quite literally an entirely separate matter, the invocation of the Emergencies Act and the fears that it might get used against the protesters in the Coots blockade and surrounding demonstrations.
00:41:13.540 Yeah, and not to cut anyone off, but we've been talking for a little while and not everyone at home has watched the testimony of Marco.
00:41:19.380 So if we could take a look at clip number nine to show the viewers at home what Marco, the protester from Coots, had said.
00:41:28.320 Until all mandates and restrictions are lifted.
00:41:30.740 Do you see that?
00:41:31.280 I do.
00:41:32.300 It also says calling all semis, trucks, SUVs, cars, meeting point flying Jay Lethbridge, which you referenced earlier, 5 a.m.
00:41:42.580 Border shutdown on this day that Albertans hold the line to take back our given freedoms.
00:41:48.040 Do not budge, do not move, do not surrender.
00:41:50.840 Did you ever see this flyer?
00:41:52.320 This is the first time I've seen this.
00:41:54.300 So was it your personal intention to block the border and not give up until all the mandates and restrictions were lifted, as is stated in this flyer?
00:42:02.300 It was never my intention to block the border.
00:42:04.940 It was always our intention to create a inconvenience at the border in the afternoon of January the 29th.
00:42:10.500 But you would agree based on this flyer that it was some people's intention, at least.
00:42:14.660 Based on this flyer, I could see that there were people who would have these intentions.
00:42:18.660 You know, you always talk about it.
00:42:21.500 When the crowd's big enough, you're always bound to have some bad apples.
00:42:25.120 I think that was the case right here.
00:42:26.260 There are some people who had intentions that went against what the original protesters of the coup's border blockade wanted to see happen.
00:42:34.240 Because it was such a big crowd.
00:42:36.120 Same thing in Ottawa.
00:42:37.020 You know, there were some people with different intentions in Ottawa that wanted to stir up trouble.
00:42:41.580 But I don't think it's reflective of the view of the whole crew.
00:42:45.840 In addition to that, I think that Marco put it very well.
00:42:48.940 He said, our intention was to create inconvenience.
00:42:51.800 It wasn't to block the border completely.
00:42:54.240 And AOC, the leftist from the Democratic Party herself in the United States, once said that the point of a protest is to create inconvenience.
00:43:02.020 That's the whole point of a protest.
00:43:04.380 I mean, yeah, no, that's, again, I wish that I had something different to say.
00:43:10.740 You know, we agree on all these points.
00:43:12.860 I'm really hoping that we see something else come out of this.
00:43:15.940 Well, I mean, the dynamic, what Marco just explained, is that the same dynamic that you saw in coups, Alberta?
00:43:21.980 Well, let me just speak to two of the things Marco said.
00:43:24.720 He was alleged by the RCMP to be a key participant who, as he said multiple times today, had no intentions of blocking the highway.
00:43:33.540 So the feeling I get is that these things run a little contradictory.
00:43:38.780 And then another thing you mentioned is he spent every day working with the RCMP to maintain public safety.
00:43:43.820 And this is something that he alluded to, is that he was just kind of, by his character traits, by his position as a Fort McLeod town counselor, he kind of understood how government worked.
00:43:53.000 And he kind of had his hands on, you know, being a decent communicator.
00:43:56.560 And you think about a bunch of truckers, well, I mean this quite literally with no disrespect.
00:44:00.620 They spend their time in isolation.
00:44:02.300 Yes, there's the radio.
00:44:03.120 There are conversations and communications taking place.
00:44:05.120 But that is very much one of the industries where I would imagine, at least, you know, you are more of a solitary person.
00:44:11.500 You're not honing your communication skills every single day as, you know, in opposition to someone like a town counselor.
00:44:17.240 So it was kind of, and this is the sense that I got, was that it was just people saw, you know, this is my skill set.
00:44:24.320 I'm walking into this demonstration.
00:44:26.380 There was, it was very chaotic.
00:44:27.780 There wasn't really no organization until, you know, everyone was sharing a building.
00:44:32.340 And they're like, okay, well, what do we do about the toilet?
00:44:34.500 You know, how do we eat?
00:44:35.600 You know, simple things that people were like, oh, I know how to take care of that.
00:44:39.440 Well, I think it's just on the communication aspect that you just mentioned.
00:44:42.020 I think Marco in his testimony also said he had great communication with the residents and the school board, the people that were here.
00:44:48.920 He was in discussion, I believe he stated during his testimony.
00:44:52.500 Yeah, not just discussion.
00:44:54.060 He actually was in communication with officials in the school board.
00:44:56.980 So that's school buses.
00:44:58.460 Okay, well, there you go.
00:44:59.180 Let's take a look at that.
00:45:00.160 Let's take a look at the clip.
00:45:02.340 Back to the lanes opening up, we were getting, we were in discussions with residents, school board, et cetera, to allow the buses free flow, to allow traffic, you know, the residents in and out, all of that.
00:45:23.380 Plus, we were in no position to hold the highway shut.
00:45:27.000 So we open up a lane on each side.
00:45:32.000 I think that's what you just said.
00:45:34.500 It's weird.
00:45:35.200 It's almost like I was there and I watched it.
00:45:37.120 But yeah, I think that just really goes to show that, again, an inconvenience is not the same as committing an act of terror or terrorism.
00:45:45.940 They very much worked with the locals there.
00:45:48.240 They had great communication with the RCMP.
00:45:50.800 And again, they allowed school buses to come through and go as they please.
00:45:54.120 So inconvenience is not terrorism, even though that's what the Ottawa residents here think it is.
00:46:00.320 You know, Matthew Fleur, who talks about microaggression and things, it's a valid reason to involve the EA.
00:46:07.320 That's lunacy.
00:46:08.440 But you were both in Ottawa and Goose, as you just mentioned, right?
00:46:11.460 Yes.
00:46:11.780 Yeah.
00:46:11.920 So what was similar in both places?
00:46:16.160 What was different between both protests?
00:46:19.480 Yeah.
00:46:20.040 I've talked with Sid about this a few times, but the main difference was the overall, I guess, vibe, the energy between the people.
00:46:26.980 Like in the beginning, the convoy in Ottawa, obviously, everyone was celebrating.
00:46:31.160 Everyone had come together for the first time in so long.
00:46:33.500 And there was this really lighthearted and loving atmosphere, very friendly, very family friendly, I might add.
00:46:39.240 Everyone was there.
00:46:40.040 It was just, it was incredible to see so many people smiling and dancing and, and to just, yeah, to just kind of like bask in that energy.
00:46:48.880 And then we drove back after being there for three days, Mocha and myself, we didn't even go home.
00:46:55.140 We went straight to Coots to meet up with Sid and Kian and tensions were very high there.
00:47:01.520 It felt different.
00:47:02.620 It was, um, you could definitely feel the tension because we weren't really sure what was going to happen.
00:47:09.800 And in regards to the RCMP, even though things were peaceful, it just was a different overall feeling.
00:47:16.580 I think you can touch on that more probably, Sid, right?
00:47:19.640 Well, and even within the demonstrations that were happening in the area, there was the Milk River one, the Coots one.
00:47:23.880 That's right.
00:47:24.320 Yeah.
00:47:24.460 And then a variety that would pop up all over the province.
00:47:26.840 Uh, and, and, and both of those as well, even had very different atmospheres.
00:47:30.020 Yeah.
00:47:30.500 Uh, but in terms of, well, I guess in terms of Ottawa, the, the Milk River demonstrations and the blockade there, that was similar.
00:47:38.500 That was, that was very similar.
00:47:40.160 Yeah.
00:47:40.340 And I don't mean to, uh, to undermine the activities that they were doing, but it felt more like fun.
00:47:45.760 Yeah.
00:47:45.920 Basically it was fun.
00:47:46.900 It was a bit more of a party.
00:47:47.820 Yeah.
00:47:48.360 Um, the, the select individuals that were in Coots, I mean, it wasn't like sure there was, you know, uh, a barrier set up in Ottawa and stuff like that, but Coots was isolated.
00:47:57.220 Like they showed a map during the commission of, uh, Coots and the surrounding area.
00:48:00.560 And it's, uh, the regular Google map that you see, if you look at the terrain version of that map, it's a barren wasteland.
00:48:07.960 I remember.
00:48:08.560 Oh yeah.
00:48:09.180 Yeah.
00:48:09.420 It is isolated from everything and the borders right there.
00:48:13.580 Yeah.
00:48:13.920 Um, and so you're thinking to yourself, well, if it was any closer to the border, then it would be a legitimate border issue.
00:48:20.280 A hundred percent.
00:48:20.960 A bit of a situation there, but.
00:48:22.700 Yeah.
00:48:22.820 Uh, and it's because of the, the tightness of getting into the area, um, which is something the locals even had issue with the RCMP, but the people who were there, the people who had their trucks on the road, especially into the second week and so forth.
00:48:36.500 Yeah.
00:48:37.100 It was, everything was on the line.
00:48:38.800 Yeah, for sure.
00:48:39.320 And these weren't, even though everything was on the line, they weren't acting violently.
00:48:43.060 They weren't being malicious towards the RCMP.
00:48:45.060 Yeah.
00:48:45.760 Um, they just part, I don't know if I can use this expression, uh, basketballs to the wall, right.
00:48:51.820 Um, it was, everything was there for them and it was, uh, a very tense moment.
00:48:58.100 It was make or break for sure.
00:48:59.320 Yeah.
00:48:59.920 Yeah.
00:49:00.400 Um, guys, we're going to have to cut this short tonight.
00:49:03.680 And here's the reason why, as you might know, in the United States, our, our Southern, uh, our Southern neighbors, they have the midterms elections, extremely, extremely important election.
00:49:14.440 That's where we're going to see whether or not the Republicans are going to take over, um, different levels of government.
00:49:20.460 And we're going to see how Joe Biden reacts.
00:49:22.440 We're going to see how many, uh, polling machines get broken or something weird happens to them.
00:49:27.700 It won't happen because nothing unusual happens during election time.
00:49:33.360 All the elections are fair and not rigged at all.
00:49:36.440 No, they're not rigged.
00:49:37.820 They're 100% fair.
00:49:39.000 So, so if you want to watch our midterm coverage, you can just head on to our next lecture, which is going to happen right after this one ends.
00:49:48.260 As that's why we're going to have to end a little bit early, but Sid, I had one last question for you.
00:49:52.560 I think Marco has a court case coming up soon along with other, uh, truckers.
00:49:57.500 Can you touch on that?
00:49:59.300 Truckerdefensefund.ca.
00:50:00.360 I'm just going to give you the URL now, but, uh, Alex, Marco, and George, the three individuals, uh, September the 16th, RCMP alleged them to be key participants of the blockade, uh, which is, uh, from that stemmed three charges of mischief over $5,000, one per individual.
00:50:14.620 Now these individuals, uh, the, the maximum penalty, I believe is 10 years in prison.
00:50:19.040 So that's what these guys are faced with now, again, for their alleged, uh, being key participants of the CUDS blockade.
00:50:24.680 And, you know, they've mentioned that they were, uh, at least Marco was in deep correspondence with the RCMP.
00:50:30.180 Uh, he had no intentions of, you know, breaking the laws and stuff like that.
00:50:33.700 He was just the, the, the person who people happen to talk to, you know, you, you see a smiling face, you know, you might be, you're more likely to approach that person.
00:50:41.540 So now these three individuals, some of the greatest guys you'll meet out there, the salt of the earth Canadians that, that you grow to know and love, uh, from your own family.
00:50:48.800 They're now being charged with these charges of mischief over $5,000.
00:50:54.480 And again, key participants of the blockade.
00:50:57.180 Well, Arthur Pawlowski, what do they say about him?
00:50:59.300 That it was his fault that truckers stayed at the border and he spent 51 days in prison for that or behind bars.
00:51:04.440 I should say for that, uh, where is this coming from is what I want to know.
00:51:09.000 But luckily Williamson law, the, the, uh, they were the legal team, uh, that was, uh, responsible for being negotiators between RCMP.
00:51:17.540 And the demonstrators, they were, uh, uh, uh, uh, lubricant to the situation.
00:51:22.540 I guess you could say, um, we've been assisting with that.
00:51:25.380 It's been crowdfunded legal defense for them.
00:51:27.120 Uh, and now Williamson law, we've retained, uh, them to help Alex, Marco and Chad, uh, with these charges of mischief that is going to be faced before the courts trucker defense fund.ca is where you have to go.
00:51:38.140 If you want to help join in, uh, because right now they need your help more than anything.
00:51:41.840 Yeah, no, that'll be definitely great to, to follow along how that's going to play out.
00:51:45.540 And you're staying here for the next few days, right?
00:51:47.220 Yes.
00:51:48.220 So you'd be able to have interviews with, uh, with all these people.
00:51:51.980 More, more than likely.
00:51:53.620 The commission doesn't seem to run on as nice a schedule as we would all like.
00:51:57.920 Yes.
00:51:58.080 Yeah, exactly.
00:51:59.480 All right.
00:52:00.020 Well, I definitely look forward to see all that coverage so we can go to trucker defense fund.ca.
00:52:05.420 All right.
00:52:06.120 Well guys, if you want to see everything that is going on with the, uh, the truckers that were at the CUDS border blockade, you can head on to trucker defense fund.ca.
00:52:15.420 All right, let's take a look at one last clip from, uh, Marco's testimony tonight, uh, then we'll wrap up and you'll be able to switch over to our midterm election live stream, which is going to take place in a few minutes right after this one ends.
00:52:29.280 So let's take a look at some of what Marco had to say.
00:52:33.660 Premier Kenny did make an announcement on February 8th that the provincial government was announcing a plan for gradual easing of the pandemic related public health measures.
00:52:42.700 Is that right?
00:52:43.660 Correct.
00:52:44.040 And based on our response to his message, um, it was not the message we were looking for.
00:52:50.780 And what was his message and what was the message you were looking for?
00:52:54.220 Uh, the message that Kenny gave was, um, it was a phased approach with a lot of maybes.
00:53:03.460 And there was no surety of anything in that message.
00:53:08.320 It spoke to a lot of different aspects and there was a lot of different methods to back out of that phased approach.
00:53:18.640 But it really, it was something because they had to address, you know, there was pressure, even though we weren't communicating, there was pressure.
00:53:27.000 Coutts, Coutts did, did apply pressure to the provincial government.
00:53:30.820 And this was not just exclusively Coutts.
00:53:33.420 This was, you know, you, you, you all, the evidence is submitted to the slow rolls in Edmonton, to the protests of five to 10,000 in Calgary, the, the, the, the inconveniences on highways all over the province.
00:53:46.960 Obviously the focus is on Coutts, Ottawa, Emerson, Ambassador, Sarnia, et cetera.
00:53:50.540 But Albertans were frustrated and they were making it very aware to their government that they wanted to see change.
00:53:57.600 So we were willing to, to have those discussions and to work on a realistic plan.
00:54:05.180 He mentioned Jess and Kenny, just one last thing.
00:54:08.040 Celine, what are your, what is it that you've noticed from her leadership?
00:54:11.260 If you could wrap that up super quick about Daniel Smith.
00:54:15.560 As opposed to, to Jason Kenny's leadership.
00:54:18.500 Yeah, exactly.
00:54:19.040 Yes. Okay. Well, I mean, there's a big difference.
00:54:21.200 I mean, specifically, uh, I proposed a question to Daniel Smith during the, the AGM, uh, the annual general meeting that the conservative party of Alberta does hold, um, where she actually apologized, even though she was not at power in power at the time where this, these restrictions and mandates were put into play.
00:54:38.200 Um, but she apologized, uh, to all people that face prosecution during that time, um, for going against her or having, you know, the mind to, uh, withhold their personal medical information.
00:54:49.820 So I think just even saying that shows the huge, enormous difference between her and Kenny among many things.
00:54:56.160 Well, you know, that's a good start, but are we going to have to worry about these three Albertans again, more Albertans going to prison for breaching COVID violations.
00:55:03.300 I mean, Arthur Pawlowski, Tamara Leach, Tim Stevens, um, um, there, there's so many Albertans who have had to face time behind bars because of these COVID violations.
00:55:12.580 Is that going to continue?
00:55:13.960 Well, we're going to see that, right?
00:55:15.060 Because she did say that she would, she was currently looking into the legalities behind those things.
00:55:19.780 So I do hope a hundred percent that that is exactly what we see is that those charges are thrown out and that they are granted the amnesty that they were promised during her campaign.
00:55:28.260 Yeah.
00:55:28.780 So just before we sign up, we're going to sign up in a minute.
00:55:31.520 Um, I know that, you know, we, you know, that Doug Ford doesn't want to testify at the inquiry and we currently have a petition to push him to testify.
00:55:39.600 So if you want to sign our petition that we will attempt to go drop off, uh, to Ford's office for Doug Ford to testify from the public order emergency commission, go to stop hiding, stop hiding.ca.
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00:55:58.880 All right.
00:55:59.060 If you want to follow our, um, midterm election coverage, go to, uh, well, you'll be able to, to sign up and head on to our next live stream.
00:56:06.200 Thank you so much for joining us today, Celine.
00:56:07.960 And thank you so much for your time, Sydney and have a good evening, everyone.
00:56:13.900 The perception around Coutts, unfortunately, due to the, the discovery of the guns and such has tainted what Coutts was.
00:56:22.320 And for me, what's important is that we, we, we, we were there to demand that our representatives communicate with us like they are obligated to do.
00:56:37.960 And like what had not been happening, we were never able to enter in official communication with the government, but looking back at the political state of affairs in Alberta, it might've been better for the Kennedy government to actually have done that.
00:56:52.120 The COVID restrictions and the mandates, they, they, they, they, they, they messed with our lives.
00:56:58.280 Like we, we, we see the inconsistencies of, of the experts and I, I don't necessarily blame them.
00:57:06.040 The information provided was, was what they went off of.
00:57:11.460 And that information is, is no, is, is at times is now no longer factual either things, you know, the, the ball kept on getting pushed further down the road.
00:57:19.760 Two weeks to flatten the curve and look at where we are now and I'm not going to speak to, to COVID and I'm no expert on it, but even the experts got it wrong and for public trust to be regained for the, for the trust of Albertans to be regained.