BREAKDOWN： Trucker Commission Day 20 ｜ Coutts mayor testifies ｜ Ft. Eva Chipiuk
Summary
In this episode, we discuss the testimony from the Mayor of Coutts, Alberta, Jim Willett, and the Solicitor General of Ontario, Ian Freeman. We also hear from the First Lady of Coos, Sydney Fizzer.
Transcript
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Good afternoon to the people of Alberta and the great province of Alberta, where it is
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currently 4 p.m. Alberta time, right now it's earlier than 6 p.m. here in Ottawa.
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I am joined here once again by my colleague Selene Gallus from, once again, the great province
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I'd just like to point out that I get so incredibly happy every time he references my province as
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I'm doing great also in that way, so thank you.
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The people, the Rocky Mountains, my, yeah, no, probably just those things, and the minus
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27 weather with like three feet of snow, is it right now?
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You know, as I always say, the city of Ottawa is a gorgeous city, but it is so corrupt to
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But it's beautiful, and the weather is not too bad right now.
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I'm also joined by Sydney Fizzer from Rebel News, once again from Alberta.
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We had the mayor of Coutts testify, so I look forward to talking about that.
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So, Selene, you were the one live tweeting today for the whole day.
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Well, we had three testimonies from, well, mainly two testimonies, actually, and we'll get
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But we had Jim Willett, that was like, sorry, Sid just said, that was the mayor of Coutts.
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We're going to have some clues for you guys to take a look at so that we can break those
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And it was essentially the breakdown of transportation in the way that tow trucks were used, as well
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as some of the safety routes and plans constructed in and around the convoy.
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Also, some additional information on the convoy and any activities relating to the areas where
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there were convoys or slow rolls that we saw here in Ontario, as well as Alberta.
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We'll get more into the third testimony that will begin tomorrow, we'll resume, I guess.
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Well, you know, just before we get to our main takeaways, I want to talk about that.
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If you want to follow Sydney's live tweeting, because she is live tweeting the whole proceedings
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straight from Ottawa, straight from the building where the commission is being held at,
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you can head on to twitter.com, now owned by Elon Musk.
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And you can go to see Selene's account, you can go to at Selene, C-X-L-I-V.
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I will specify it's not a C, because if I had a dollar for every time.
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So today, as you mentioned, we have the testimonies.
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I think what we will focus on the most is going to be Coos, especially with our friend
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We'll take a look at the testimony from the mayor of Coos, and we'll discuss, well, a bunch
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Let's get started with the live stream by taking a look at clip number one, part of the
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testimony from the mayor of Coos, Alberta, the little city of Coos, located in
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Greatly disrupted everyday life for Coos residents.
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I have done a mental survey, and I think I had about a 70-30 split in the village, the 30
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on my side and the 70 supporting the protest, regardless of what it meant.
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We still have neighbors that won't talk to each other because of the protests.
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We had a lot of collaborators, not collaborators, sympathetic people in the village who figured
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In summary, what did you make of the mayor's testimony, of Jim's testimony?
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Well, I thought it was very interesting because obviously, as you know, he's the mayor of Coos,
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so he's going to have, obviously, again, a little bit of a different perspective in regards
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to the convoy that was there in Coos, but towards the—you know, I'm not going to jump
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ahead, actually, but safe to say that it was interesting, and I don't think that it was—I
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mean, it was no Steve Bell or Peter Slowly testimony, so I don't—I didn't dislike his
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Like you mentioned, he's not the mayor of Windsor, of Toronto.
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He's coming from a very small arena, I guess you could say, in some senses, so it's interesting,
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and he—in some ways, actually, I could see this, he is more beholden to those who he
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represents in the town of Coos than most individuals.
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When's the next time you're going to see John Tory, right?
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Whereas these individuals, they actually have to engage almost on a daily basis for some
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In that proximity, it's—it's interesting to see, and I believe, as you mentioned in the
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clip, my side was the 30 percent, the protest side was the 70 percent.
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And, you know, I got to be honest, there were times, I believe, you know, while we were down
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there, where we heard of the mayor—sorry, I say we, Kian Simone to my left—we were down
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there, and it felt like, and it seemed as though the mayor himself was feeding into some of the
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fear that was associated with the protesters, telling people, you know, warning them about
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the situation in very harsh terms, you could say.
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I think he's had to kind of—he's been forced to maintain somewhat of an even keel, or whatever
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the expression is there, because he is so closely associated with those who he represents in
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You know, he also said that he initially went—or the first—one of the first times
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he went to go and actually meet the protesters.
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This was actually pulled from a CTV interview that he did at that time at the convoy there
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in Coutts, where he revealed that he initially went down to go and meet the protesters to see
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if they were as bad as, like, mainstream media portrayed them to be, and then he very soon
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after revealed that they were not only not bad, and not as bad as mainstream media had
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portrayed them to be, but actually they were peaceful, and he made mentions of them.
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Some of them, he realized, were his neighbors and whatnot, and that he saw a big—it was a
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very major portion of Coutts that he was able to see, like residents, locals, friends, I dare
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say, potentially family, but Coutts is very small, if you're not aware.
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Coutts, Alberta is the speck, right before the border of Montana, so.
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No, I've never been to Coutts, but you've been to Coutts.
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You've all been covering what happened at the Coutts border blockade.
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From what you've seen in Coutts, does his testimony corroborate what he saw with the
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protesters, the general dynamic that he was talking about in regards to the protesters
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Do you think what he said corroborates what you saw on the ground?
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I can only speak from, honestly, like the two days that I was actually there, but I know
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that Cid and Kian would have a lot better opinion on there.
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The testimony, you know, he talked about how, in the text messages that we saw presented
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at the commission, we saw him refer to the truckers as domestic terrorists.
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I know that we had a quick scrum with him afterwards, which we will show later, but.
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Well, I mean, personally, I would suggest them to be domestic terrorists, but in terms of
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his approach on the situation, I think he was trying to adhere to very specific legal
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But, you know, being down there, I think it's fair to say with a heavy hand is how his dialogue
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In Coutts, Alberta, the people supporting the protest, there were 70% of the population
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in Coutts that supported the protest and 30% that were opposed to the protest.
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And I think that we saw, you know, Marco in his testimony, he talked about how yesterday
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he talked about how he would talk and negotiate and have discussion with the school boards
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I think both testimonies contradict themselves a little bit with Marco saying that he spoke
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to a lot of the people in the city, he wasn't able to negotiate with them.
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And then the mayor is saying that, well, there was a huge split in the city.
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Well, and you're going to think about how the mayor's conversations were going with the
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federal, or not, pardon me, the federal government, but the provincial government, right?
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And then you replicate that with the provincial government and the federal government.
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Well, how sturdy was their communication, right?
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Were they actively assisting and, you know, had great communication?
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No, it seems like the protesters themselves were probably the best
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Even though there may have been attempts made, it just seems ultimately that there
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was a clogging of the system in terms of the internal communications of our government.
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And a really good example of that would be the fact that it came to light that then Transport
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Minister of Alberta, Raj Ansani, actually had plans to go to Coutts to be able to hear
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And it seems that she was actually prevented from doing that by the provincial government.
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So you talk about the miscommunications, not just when you have a huge organization of
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people that are, for the better part, totally leaderless, that are trying to work together.
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And they're trying to work together to try and see what to do.
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And then when someone finally proposes that they go forward and they're able to hear them
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out and strike a deal, which we didn't see anywhere else, except for maybe when it also
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came to light yesterday in Windsor that, what was it, the governor?
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Yeah, there was a letter that was sent to Windsor and was withheld from them because
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the worry was, how could the very small comparison to the convoy in Ottawa, how could that small
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group of people there at Windsor have the letter sent to them and not have a letter sent to
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The longer the commission goes on, the more it seems like it was a centralized effort in the
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sense that it was one person guiding the ship from high up above in many senses and the
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And in many ways, it's quite the opposite of the demonstrations that were taking place.
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It wasn't like, you know, who's the chain of the command?
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And this is, you know, one of the issues that they're alluding to with the Freedom Convoy
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and with the Coutts blockade is there was no one guy, one face image to these demonstrations.
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And because of that, it was the communication of those who presented themselves at these
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That was the communal conversations they were having is what drove their movement, as
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opposed to what we see on the government then, where it seems like they would just ask the
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person above them, you know, keep on going up the chain.
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And unfortunately, that message or that the response that came back down was not indicative
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or was not useful to the individuals who were requesting this assistance.
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Well, let's take a look at the second clip we have where the mayor, Jim Willett, speaks
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to whether or not from what he saw, there was any sort of violence or harassment during
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Did you observe any violence or harassment during the protest?
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Serious enough that the RCMP took it seriously.
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I'm not sure how good a threat it was because it was sent from a personal page.
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That reminds me a little bit of what Jim Watson had when he said there was a death threat about
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Well, you see, but what's interesting about this specific instance is that he doesn't go
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He says that there was a threat and he doesn't actually go into detail much more than that.
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And then he actually works towards kind of revealing that he's not, he's not serious
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if it was actually a real threat because the person used there, you're not going to make
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an actual serious, violent death threat to anybody on your public.
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Imagine using your Twitter or your Facebook to do that, to private message someone and
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actually be like, Hey, so this is what's going to happen.
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They would have for sure looked more into that.
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And if I can add to that, this might be a clip we need to find, but Kian Simone, while
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he was at the Coups Blockade, he brought to light how Premier Jason, former Premier Jason
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Kenney's statement about an RCMP officer being assaulted was actually a blatant lie.
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I don't know where exactly this might've come from, the internal communications perhaps of
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But it's very interesting to see the kind of, I guess you want to call it a narrative that's
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And again, it doesn't matter if the blockade or the protests took place in Coutts, Alberta,
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Windsor, Ontario, or here in Ottawa, it's the same narrative that the government officials
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And we'll go back to the mayor's testimony in a few minutes.
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But for that, I want to show, following his testimony, and that's something that honestly
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I was glad to see because liberals never agree to speak to us.
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Jim Watson, we saw what happened when we tried to speak to him.
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Fail mayoral candidate, Catherine McKinney, didn't want to speak to me.
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But this mayor, even though he opposed the movement, agreed to speak to us after his testimony,
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we're able to ask him a few questions that I think we'll find interesting.
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So take a look at how our exchange with the mayor of Coutts, Alberta, went.
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You said that 70% of the residents of Coutts, in your opinion, agreed with the protests,
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But you also called them in a text message, domestic terrorists, the truckers.
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So is it fair to say that you consider your town a terrorism-supporting town if you think
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That you consider your town and 70% of the residents agreed with the truckers.
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Is it fair to say that you consider your town a terrorism-supporting town?
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Could you still have the same view that the truckers were domestic terrorists?
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I think whoever okayed blocking the highway was possibly there.
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And do you agree with the general, just last thing, do you agree with the general message
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I'm talking, do you agree with the general message of the convoy in terms of the mandates,
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I think they were there first over the, as I said before, the federal governments of
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both the U.S. and Canada had suddenly said that these guys that had been doing cross-border
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trucking had no more permission to do that unless they got vaccinated, where for two years they
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I wouldn't go that far, but they were the guys that were carrying all the weight.
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And suddenly, the mandates applied to them as well.
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You know, I think it's a little bit of an odd response.
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I failed to see where he actually aligns in terms of what he thinks of, well, the vaccine
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You know, the truckers were the ones that were bringing us food for the past since we're
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They were the ones that were able to go from the U.S. to Canada, bring us food, bring us
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milk, bring us what we need to get to live our life properly.
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And then Justin Trudeau said, we don't need that.
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We're going to impose a strict authoritarian mandate on you.
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Even with all the hard work you've been doing, just because you refused to get the COVID-19
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vaccine, you will not be allowed to do your job and serve Canadians properly.
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I think it was disgraceful for Justin Trudeau to take that move.
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But I failed to, I don't know if you saw it differently, but I failed to see where the
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mayor aligns in terms of Justin Trudeau's decision.
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And also above his pay grade, that's not a good response for me.
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How is it above your pay grade to talk about an issue that affects them?
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Yeah, you know, I mean, okay, you just went on a little bit of a tangent.
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But the point I wanted to be very specific about is that I don't, I don't, he didn't
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even, he said that he didn't oppose the protesting coups.
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It was only at the point that he started to see the locals become affected by, you know,
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if that was, if that was, you know, interfering with supply chain, local businesses, et cetera.
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Like, maybe it's just because I'm an Albertan or because I have a little bit of sympathy
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But it really is just such an Albertan thing, you know, especially small town, southern
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Albertan to just be really, that's like your family, you know, that whole town.
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And I, I believe that I could see from his testimony that it was very difficult for him
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to try and structure his narrative with what I am, what I propose to be the narrative that
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And it was a little bit frustrating because I think, again, like he said, he, it was, he
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just really spoke about it from such a, from such a sympathetic standpoint.
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And, uh, you know, he made those references to, to those, those people being, you know,
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some of his, his neighbors, like friends, like you live in such a small town, you're
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bound to know you could probably throw a stone and you'd hit within that proximity.
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Well, one of the other things too, is that while he, yeah, I agree with that.
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And I'm sure he's super close to his constituent, especially in a small time, like a small town,
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like you say, do you come from a small, small town in Alberta?
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That's not a small town, but I remember in a past interview that he did a little while
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He spoke about what the federal government is doing, what the federal government imposed.
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on the truckers who deliver us goods and frankly, make us live our life every single day.
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Um, and he didn't seem to be the biggest fan of the federal government.
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So while I, while he seemed shy today to actually answer the question, give a clear position on
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the mandate, he spoke a while ago about his view of the federal government.
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And he said, and I call that you can't win a battle with the federal government.
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Let's take a look at what he said back in February.
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Their first attempt didn't appear to go too well.
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So how confident are you that, that they'll get this done?
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Well, I had a, uh, actually my deputy mayor who used to work for CBSA for a number of years
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till he just retired, says you never win a battle with the government.
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So it's, uh, it's, uh, it's unfortunate that, uh, people have taken it to this extreme.
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And, uh, I, as I've said to everybody that asked me about this, I just want it to go
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So you see, while he says that no one wins a battle with the government, he still doesn't
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seem to agree with the fact that the protesters were there.
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I'm standing my ground because that is my right.
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He said, he said that they were taking it to extreme, which I find once again, very odd.
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Um, and I wanted to actually touch on, uh, one of the things you guys brought up earlier
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was the, the affected, uh, uh, uh, local businesses.
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Uh, now I can't speak to every single business that was in the town of Coots, but the, uh,
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uh, motel hotel that was in the area, I believe was completely booked.
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Uh, we even stayed, uh, there, me and, uh, at this motel for a day or two, I believe
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Uh, and as well, I believe there's a diner actually that a very small diner, very quaint.
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It was like an Airbnb thing, uh, uh, great people that ran it as well.
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Um, and I believe they were getting hassled, uh, all the time.
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If not, I believe actually, while we were at the blockade, they were shut down by AHS
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So it's kind of funny to think that that, uh, that shop would have been open.
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It would have been packed every single day for guys looking to get a hot breakfast,
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I mean, the rooms I believe, uh, uh, continued on, but the government itself, even while the
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blockade was occurring, was actively shutting down businesses in Coots, a very small town.
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And I remember the duty-free, um, uh, there was a lot of things that, uh, even the protesters
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that demonstrators weren't allowed to get because of the police barriers and such.
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Um, and the, the duty-free location, I think for obvious reasons, you weren't able to shop
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there to, to get some of the stuff that you needed, but there was the supplies that you
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needed in that shop within AHSOT, uh, that nobody was allowed to use or access even in
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And just before we let you go, because I see how we have our next guest coming on, we'll have
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I want to take a look at clip number four, where, um, mayor of Coots, Alberta, Willett,
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Mayor Willett, uh, speaks to his relationship, to a phone call he had with former premier of
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Let's take a look at what he had to say, uh, about Kenney.
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And at no time, did you make requests for specific supports or assistance from the province?
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I think we, uh, when I talked to the premier, we talked more in generalities.
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Uh, as I said, uh, earlier, he was kind of caught in a pinch point between.
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And, uh, darned if I do and darned if I don't, uh, we talked about that, but he talked about
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the fact that, uh, he could only do so much because of the lack of, uh, surge capacity in
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Uh, he mentioned that he was going to be talking to governors in the northern states to see if
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they would, uh, put pressure on, on that side, because even if we did get rid of the provincial
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mandates, the federal mandates still sat there.
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And that was the thing that triggered the whole deal in the first place.
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So, uh, no, it, it was more a, uh, a generality thing.
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Now, do you think, Celine, that had we had a different premier in Alberta, different than
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Jason Kenney, we would still have, we will still have had all of these mandates in Alberta?
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That I, my opinion is potentially, I, I don't know this, those mandates were pretty much
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So I really can't answer that with any, I don't have confidence in that.
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Unfortunately, the last two years that we've gone through, right?
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Like who would have thought that premier Jason Kenney, I mean, I'm not a fan boy of long
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A premier Kenney, but who would have thought two and a half years ago that he would have
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You know, who can say that about any politician?
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One of the, the biggest, if not the biggest, uh, international phenomenon, uh, the, the
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COVID, uh, narrative and pursuant actions by governments.
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Honestly, I'd really love to be a fly on the wall in terms of those backdoor conversations
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But while, you know, the, the, the mandates that the people were protesting in Ottawa and
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mandates that people were protesting in Windsor and even coups, as a matter of fact, were
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They were protesting the federal border mandates in Ottawa.
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They were protesting the federal COVID-19 mandates, but we still saw in Ottawa people
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carrying flags and signs regarding François Legault, the premier of Quebec.
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And we saw some carrying flags and signs about Jason Kenney, premier of, then premier of
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Um, and while they were there officially to protest the federal mandates, they were also
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there, I feel, to protest the premiers, uh, Jason Kenney and François Legault.
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Did you feel the same way when you were at coups?
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That they were protesting the provincial government as well.
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Of course, it goes, it goes without saying that anywhere that they set up these, these,
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uh, these blockades, they, they were very aware of who was in charge, who had put the
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And that was a conversation that I, I heard and it would not be hard to guess was, was
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Premier Jason Kenney and the, the mandates that we saw in Alberta were a very large part
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I mean, yes, uh, I believe as Marco mentioned yesterday, it, or I don't know who mentioned
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this, but, uh, uh, two weeks to slow the spread.
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Uh, and then you've got, uh, premier Jason Kenney, you know, it's going to be, uh, open
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We're not going to have a vaccine passport, but we're going to have a restrictions exemption
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That is just the same thing as a vaccine passport, except for the name.
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Actually, I think, uh, I can't, it was there as well for that, uh, that groundbreaking answer
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Um, and it's just this repetition of, oh yeah, just, just, just hold on.
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You know, this, this, uh, uh, struggle session, these politicians are doing, uh, with their
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citizens in terms of pushing through mandates when they know that their citizens don't
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Well, I think those are the longest two weeks we've ever seen just last week, even a few
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I think I saw an article saying that there was a university in Ontario that is reinstating mass
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mandates for students attending classes in the lecture hall, which is absolutely ridiculous.
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Before we get to our next guest, we will go to a quick ad break.
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And when we come back, we'll have the great lawyer for Freedom Corp, Eva Chipiuk, who
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you've been hearing a lot from in the past four weeks.
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These people have even tried to denormalize our flag.
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Destroying Canada's most conservative province.
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We are back live on air with an interesting guest that has been refusing to do any media
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He will give us his take on the Emergencies Act Inquiry.
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I welcome to our studio, Freedom Convoy lawyer, Brendan Miller.
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You're going to be riding the pine for the rest of the season, son.
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So how many pucks do we need to put on the net side to win the game?
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Everybody here wants to score more goals than the other side.
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Well, I'm going to trade you for Rachel Gilmore.
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I'm focused on the game as you taught me, coach.
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Hockey coach Brendan Miller for an exclusive interview.
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I don't have any hockey analogies for you today.
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if we do an interview, he's going to talk about hockey.
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I think he loves hockey more than representing Tamara Leach
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So what were your general impressions from today?
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Well, you know, we started with the Coutts mayor this morning.
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Coutts is a border town in Alberta, 250 people population.
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So incredibly tiny village, actually, I should say.
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And you could see the mayor breaking down a little bit today,
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And you could see the hurt and the harm that he experienced.
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And at the end, it was either Brendan Miller's questions
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or the commissioner, I can't recall now, just asking.
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what is your impression of your town's impression
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And, you know, you just got like your heart sinks
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And that is really what we experienced here in Ottawa.
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And he said he had nothing against peaceful, lawful protests,
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I don't, and, you know, even the commissioner asked,
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And they continued to protest for two or three weeks later.
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So nobody was intending to be protesting illegally.
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And again, I think I called you on this before.
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It's not, there was no long-term strategy planning
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all the freedom protests that took place in Ottawa
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that are more freedom-oriented across the country
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They were close to Cootes or Windsor or whatever.
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I think it was 26 or something convoys around the world.
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And that was a venue, a way of making themselves heard.
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the only thing that is absolutely the same thing
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The purpose, which was to fight federal COVID-19 mandates.
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All right, Brendan Miller just came on recently.
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What are the interactions you have with your residents
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with respect to their support or lack of support
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for the federal government as it currently is composed?
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And that's basically, you could talk to anybody there.
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There's a great dislike for the federal government
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Smarter minds than me have tried to figure it out.
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This was the cross-examination by Brendan Miller
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that the protesters had for the federal government.
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As we've seen, there's lots of contrasting views
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And again, I think that in his closing statement,
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and I did or didn't understand certain pressures
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Well, one thing that I noticed a disconnect on this
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And again, it was with Brendan Miller's cross-examination
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That was the next question again from Brendan Miller.
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So the disconnect, I think, is talking to constituents.