BREAKDOWN： Trucker Commission Day 21 ｜ Ft. Tom Marazzo
Summary
In this episode of Rebel News Live, host Alex Blanchard and co-host Selene Gallas are joined by Freedom Convoy's Tom Morato to talk about the Emergency Act inquiry, and the testimony from two witnesses.
Transcript
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Good evening to everyone listening at home on YouTube, Rumble, Odyssey, Getter,
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I'm here joined by my great colleague, Selene Gallas,
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There's lots to unpack today, so I hope everyone's buckled in
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Last time we talked about it, we were talking in terms of years.
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I think that's how we're all feeling, honestly.
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It's a long inquiry, but always super interesting.
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I'm also joined to my left by Freedom Convoy, key figure, Tom Morato.
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Well, on your LinkedIn profile, we see that it is written internship.
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because technically interns usually don't make a lot of money
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Unless you're an intern hired by the NDP or the Liberal Party
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at the Parliament there, you are unionized and you make a bunch of money.
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I think that you would be very surprised to see how much money
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a single intern at Parliament makes when they work for the Liberals
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or the NDP or the Greens, because the Conservatives
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don't have the right to be unionized, which is pretty funny.
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There's a rumor going around that I actually work directly for Doug Ford.
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And for the record, I've never been in a room on a Zoom call, phone call.
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I've never done smoke signals or chiseling away at stone tablets with Doug Ford.
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So when we clear that up, I have no knowledge of that.
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Well, I think you've been speaking negatively enough about Doug Ford and Justin Trudeau
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for people to see that you're not the most nice to them.
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Today was the last day of the Emergency Act Inquiry for the week because tomorrow it is
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And well, if you go to CPAC or our website or the PublicOrderMinistryCommission.com website,
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you will not see any live stream because we have a break tomorrow.
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And can you tell us more about the two people that we got the chance to hear from today?
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So there was two testimonies that we heard today.
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So yesterday, as you know, we didn't get to touch on Mario Di Tommaso's testimony because
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that was during the time where the lawyer for the Commission Senior Counsel actually fainted
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And this morning we had from the Alberta government, we had Marlon DeGrant.
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He's a part of the Law Enforcement Oversight Division for the Ministry of Justice and Solicitor
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So we can take a look at some clips following that.
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And then again, this afternoon, we had Mario Di Tommaso.
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He's the Deputy Solicitor General for the province of Ontario here.
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So how did you find your general analysis of how today went?
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Well, fresh off the top of my memory, if we can talk about Di Tommaso's testimony, it was
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I was actually surprised that there was only two testimonies in a full day, but I'm not
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We had some clips that revealed and we'll be able to show you as well.
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But one in particular is where he admitted that there was an attempt to contact the convoys,
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the convoy in Ottawa in particular, by the provincial government in Ontario that was then denied
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I mean, we've talked about through the course of the last couple of weeks that there has
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been no attempt to contact the organizers or the convoy in general, excuse me.
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So that is that is a new piece of information that I think is very important.
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And just before we get to that and before we get to Tom, where I know that you've been
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Where can people follow your live coverage on Twitter?
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So if you go on Twitter, you can go to Celine C-X-L-I-V.
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And you can follow me for the entire day's proceedings going forward.
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I live tweet from the very beginning of the morning to the very end until I come here
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and I prepare to do the live stream for a more in-depth breakdown.
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Well, if you want to follow everything minute by minute, play by play, like Brendan Miller
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would like to say, you can go to, well, Celine's Twitter account.
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Tom, you've been following all day from what I understand.
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I listened to some of the testimony earlier on in the morning.
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And obviously, whenever they were talking about the military and that testimony came
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up, you know, I perked up a little bit and started to listen a little bit more.
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But I don't really think that that part of the conversations is overly newsworthy.
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But it was interesting to me to see that there was an attempt in Alberta to have the military
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get involved and provide them with some heavy equipment or towing capacity.
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But I think the witness today was talking about how frustrated he was that he knew because
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in his organization, they had retired military there that were kind of giving advice in terms
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of what military equipment they could have to go and start towing trucks.
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But the, you know, the Canadian forces struggles desperately to keep a lot of its equipment serviceable.
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And so it doesn't mean that, you know, just because the military would say, hey, we can't
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support you and what you're asking for, doesn't mean they don't have the equipment.
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It just might mean that it's actually not serviceable.
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And so that's always a challenge for the military.
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So I think, you know, when they kind of paint that narrative that, you know, the military
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couldn't do the job, it's kind of true, but not through any like resistance on the part
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But more importantly, you know, for a province to request the military, they do have to go
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through the federal government to get that support.
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They just because they're co-located with the military in that province with CFB Edmonton,
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they can't just go to Edmonton and say, hey, can you help us out here?
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They actually have to request that through proper channels and through the chain of command
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within the various levels of government, federal government, because the military doesn't work
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It's not like in the United States where a governor has his own military in every state.
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Here we have one military and they all are federal and the answer to the Minister of National
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So, you know, it was interesting to see the interpretation of how to employ the military
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And then there was discussion about using them for using the reservists.
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And that was denied by the Canadian military as well.
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So just some interesting kind of perceptions on how to go about using the military for an operation
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And I guess the last comment I could have about that is that, you know, it's very, very important
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for the military to never to be seen as being in charge with a law in a law enforcement
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They don't want Canadians to ever have that perception that the military is actively working
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We have a law enforcement, various levels of law enforcement agencies within our country.
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And so it's important that the military is never seen as being involved in a law enforcement
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And I thought that it was really interesting when he almost went in to criticize the fact
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that they refused to get involved by going to the, as far as to say that, oh, you know,
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they have so-and-so equipment to remove much larger tanks and goes to list a type of tank
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that I cannot recall because I did not retain that information.
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But even to just go out of the way to make a side comment that had nothing to do, he already
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disclosed that he knew that the military decided to stay out of it.
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Because, you know, during the convoy itself, there was a lot of rumors flying around.
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Like the truckers were very, very agitated and worked up a lot of anxiety about the military
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And I remember doing one of the live streams that I did where I repeatedly stated there
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is no mission for the Canadian Armed Forces right now.
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So the level of anxiety amongst the truckers needs to come down.
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First, this is a law enforcement government of Canada problem.
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And I spoke to a lot of people where we were working around the street.
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And I said, look, they're not a factor in this.
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The War Measures Act or the Emergency Act would have introduced a different dynamic.
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But it was still my firm belief that even then the military would not want to participate
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But I will say, which is disappointing, and maybe it'll come out in the future, but I
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think that there was a, you know, we, in the military, we would say that somebody was
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leaning forward, meaning kind of getting ready to do a possible task.
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And I think there is some evidence that the Chief of Defence Staff was leaning forward and
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anticipating that maybe he would be employing his soldiers in Ottawa.
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We're just going to start by, we're going to start with the commission, with the clips
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And we're already starting with an interesting clip.
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The mayor, not the mayor, sorry, what did I say, mayor?
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Marlon DeGrasse from the Alberta Public Safety Minister said that the protesters at the
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CUDS border blockade were already dismantling the blockade on the morning of February 14th,
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the day that Justin Trudeau decided to invoke the Emergency Act once again on Valentine's
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The evidence we've heard is that protesters met in the morning of February 14th and decided
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Were you advised on the 14th that they had made that decision?
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And do you recall around what time you were advised?
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It was very early in the morning that I was advised of the enforcement actions,
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Now, I'm struggling now to recall if it was at that particular conversation or in one of
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the conversations I had in the morning that I was advised that it looked like the protesters
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I want to think it was kind of a little bit later on, but that would be speculative on my
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It was all within the morning, certainly, of the 14th.
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So within the morning, you understood they would be leaving the next morning?
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Or in beginning preparation that day, actually, and there was already events, people taking
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down tents and structures and leaving on the 14th.
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I thought that his testimony was pretty interesting.
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He didn't have the same dialogue as Doug Ford or people from the OPS or DOPP or Jim Watson
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He didn't seem to be as prone to a federal military response to the convoy and to blockade
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But yeah, no, in all seriousness, like this also correlates with other testimonies that
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So Mayor Jim Willett, as well as Marco Hugenbos.
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And no, those were the only two that testified from COOTS.
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And it's also the same with the other border blockades that we saw.
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The one in Windsor, specifically on Ambassador Bridge, those blockades, so to speak, were all
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dismantled prior to the Emergencies Act being invoked as well.
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Just to reiterate it, the convoy in Ottawa had nothing to do in terms of the organizational
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There was, to my knowledge, absolutely no connection to any other protest across Canada.
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And Justice Rouleau actually asked me if I was making an assumption or if it was actually
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And so for this particular question, it's an important question that I remember speaking
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to people where I was located and I said, we are not getting involved in any other convoy
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Maybe you could, I think you could make a case that the convoy inspired other people to
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But I didn't want to get ever painted or accused, you know, and here we are, November.
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I didn't want to ever be in a situation where we would be accused as being like this national
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headquarters coordinating all the things, which interesting is when the commissioner of the
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OPP was testifying, he said he was absolutely convinced that there was national coordination
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in order to test the limitations of law enforcement across the country and across the province.
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And I fundamentally disagree with that assessment.
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And it's unfortunate that that's a statement that he had kind of made on the stand.
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But, you know, I think, I think it's unfortunate that he chose those words like that, but not
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unfortunate, um, in the, in the way that, um, it does anything, uh, to, to deface already
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what we know, which is that there is no way, there's no way that there was communication
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If anything, I'd like to just point out that I believe that coots actually inspired the rest
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of the blockades because they were the first ones to just decide to drop themselves down
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Um, in Ottawa, there was so much going on that even despite coots happening, I couldn't even
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catch up to coots myself until we were almost all the way to coots in Alberta from our trip
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And you know, what's interesting is, um, I watched the trucker rebellion, uh, the documentary
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Would you mean Kian Simone, Rebels Kian Simone?
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I think if I look over my shoulder, I'm looking right at him.
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But I, I, you know, I learned so much from that documentary and I, as I was watching it,
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I, I, I have to admit, I felt a little bit of, um, a little bit of sadness in the fact
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that even during the, these two things were happening simultaneously.
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I wasn't paying more attention to the other, uh, events across Canada because what they
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Like I, I was very, very impressed when I watched the documentary and see, and could see what
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And I know somebody that was at coots that I met this summer when I was traveling out
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And so what was happening around the country, uh, we didn't need to coordinate it.
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Everybody was doing their own thing in the best way that they thought to get the change
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So the fact that it was grassroots across the country is absolutely perfect.
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And, you know, to speak a little bit more on that, if you wanted to check out that documentary
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yourself, you can go to trucker, trucker documentary.com and you can watch it there.
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It goes in depth, um, uh, behind the scenes, uh, RCMP action.
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So the negotiations that went down, we had rebel news reporters embedded in that entire story.
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Well, definitely interesting to hear your perspective from someone who was actually at
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I was still in Ottawa, still in the gorgeous, but corrupt city of Ottawa.
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And you were in a small town of the great province of Alberta.
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Um, it was very different than from when I was in Ottawa.
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So there was kind of two aspects to coots and that area in general.
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That's really important to note is that there was a protest stopped at milk river, this very
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small city as well, or village, I guess you could call it right before, um, coots, which
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Um, so that atmosphere there at milk river was a lot like Ottawa in the sense that it
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People were very cheery and merry and smiling and, you know, sharing their stories and just
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And then, you know, you, you, you travel a couple of kilometers more and you hit coots
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and it's a very small village, about 250 people.
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And, um, the tensions were high because that's where the border was next to.
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And that's where all of the negotiations with the RCMP were going down.
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That was the main, if there was a control hub for, for if they were going to move, if they
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weren't going to move, everyone there was kind of in contact with each other.
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And again, with no specific leader, which is very interesting, but it shows you that
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if there's a common goal, obviously people are going to put aside any differences that
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they might have for a common theme for a common movement.
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I was just talking about the fact that both protests had an uplifting spirit, that both
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Um, and I think despite, you know, the protest being totally unrelated in terms of a connection
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between them, apart from their purpose, both protests were uplifting, both protests had
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a party like spirit, as you were talking about.
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And I think that says a lot that that's my point.
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I think that says a lot about the movement, the freedom movement.
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Well, it was grassroots, you know, it was a grassroots movement from the very beginning.
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Um, and I think that they're trying to make all of these different connections about them
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being in cahoots somehow, because they refuse to believe that there's actually that many
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Canadians that would come together for a common cause, um, and, and wouldn't be connected
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But it just points to show how many people were in fact fed up.
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Take a look at the second clip of the day, um, from the emergency second choir, because
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we're, we're here for, we're here for the emergency second choir.
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I'd love to be talking about, I bought Alberta all, all day about Alberta, the whole life
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Let's continue to look at what went on today with clip number two.
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So, um, under the heading Alberta, it says that the biggest operational challenge to
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date is procuring, towing, uh, wrecking equipment and skilled workers to operate the equipment.
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Um, by this point, uh, you had most of that equipment at least.
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The information that, uh, Mr. Talal in this message was referencing came from a, a point
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in time prior to us having finalized the, uh, the, the purchase of the last of the equipment.
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So we were still looking for trucks when he and I had a conversation and his, his reference
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uh, his, uh, reference to our conversation contained in this email to, uh, Rob Stewart is, is based
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on that sort of time dated information that we were still looking for it.
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And, and by that, that point on February 13th, you had no idea that the federal government
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So, you know, just to put some name on the faces, uh, to our left, you had.
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Alan Honor, who is, yeah, who is a lawyer with a, the Democracy Fund, a registered Canadian
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charity that focuses on fighting for the civil liberties of the Canadian, they have standing
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So them alongside the GCCH, Justice Center for Constitutional Freedom.
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And I believe the Canadian Liberty Association, Civil Liberties Association, something along
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those lines, those three have standing all together, which means that they are able to
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decide, okay, well, who's going to ask the question?
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They are able to work together to formulate the question to ask the witnesses.
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So in this clip, we saw Alan Honor talk to, uh, the ground, is that the way, is that his
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And he basically said that he had no idea the government would invoke an emergencies act
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So the day before Trudeau deciding to say, happy Valentine's Day Canadians, I love you so
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He's, he had no idea the cabinet was going to do so.
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So the, the, the government of Alberta had no prior recollection and, uh, there, there
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was, it did come out that there was a meeting, uh, prior to the invocation of the emergencies
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And they had no, again, they had no prior, um, notice of what the meeting would be about.
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And so they were not involved in any way, shape or form regarding the decision to invoke
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the emergencies act inquiry, which I'm not surprised because it's Alberta, but also that's
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How can you invoke, uh, uh, uh, counter-terrorism law, AKA what was it?
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Well, yeah, I think it's a great way to say, I love you once again, Canadians on Valentine's
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that you love them so much that you just want to take your civil liberties away.
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Well, it is, it is not surprising, but yet the, the cynical part of me says, come on,
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You all knew you, you had, you had to at least have some sort of suspicions, you know, remember
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what I said about leaning forward, you know, when you're, when you're leaning forward, that
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kind of signals to other people that you got something on the go.
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And so I, I, I would not ever come out and say he's lying because I don't believe he's
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lying, but I would certainly think that they had a sneaking suspicion that something was
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Well, I think, I think there's a difference between having a suspicion and being informed
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Well, there's always plausible deniability too, right?
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Well, to go a little bit more in depth on that, it could be possible.
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That's why I say, I'd love to be a fly on the wall for some of those meetings, but I
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think a really interesting, it came out in the testimony yesterday when Jim Willett, the
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mayor of Coutts was giving his testimony, but he actually provided information that suggested
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and it showed a hundred percent that the, the ex minister of transportation, Raj Ansani was
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actually going to go to Coutts and connect with those protesters.
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And she was stopped by the federal, oh, sorry, by the provincial government in Alberta.
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So that leaning forward statement would give grounds.
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I believe it holds some grounds to, to, to be provincial or federal provincial, provincial
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You know, the, the other issue is when you're planning something big, you, you do something
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called a staff check, which is basically like, do I have the people, do I have the equipment?
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Do I have all the other resources to move a large body of people from one location to
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And, you know, you start to think, okay, how do I level all the resources across the province
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So when you start asking people questions that are related to resources, I think you start
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to get a sneaking suspicion that you're going to be getting resources.
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So, you know, there's lots that you could, uh, deductively figure that something is coming
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When we come back, we'll look further into, uh, today's procedures of the inquiry.
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We will also talk about, uh, military veterans and remembrance day.
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And in relation to that, our national drama teacher slash drag queen performer, Justin Trudeau.
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All right, let's take a, let's take a quick break.
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Technical difficulties here at the Rebel News Studio.
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Tom, you were in the military in the past for Canada.
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Can you give us a little bit more, can you tell us a little bit more about your background
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Yeah, so I actually started off in the reserves in 1990 and I was 16 years old, but I was in
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So technically like after January, you're technically in your 17th year.
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So I was eligible to enroll and I wanted to be a pilot.
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That's why I joined and I was in, and I, and I joined the reserves to see if I would be
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And I remember being a young infantry private and I hated it.
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But then, you know, eight and a half years later, I ended up joining the regular force
00:29:06.140
and I almost got in as a pilot, but then I failed the eye exam.
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So I got my next, you know, best option was to become a combat engineer.
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And so in 1998, I enrolled in the regular force as a combat engineer officer.
00:29:24.080
And very similar to the infantry, except that you get to do some pretty cool stuff like,
00:29:28.360
you know, minefields, blowing at bridges and stuff like that.
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And it's interesting because I met James Topp in 1996 when I was still in the reserves.
00:29:38.860
And James and I were on a course together called Assault Pioneer.
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And that's where it's the infantry's version of a combat engineer.
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And so that's when I first met James Topp like 27 years ago.
00:29:55.280
And, but I, what we were doing on that course with the infantry and all the explosives and
00:30:00.060
all the demolition stuff that we were involved with on that, I really liked it.
00:30:03.780
So that's why I went to become a combat engineer officer.
00:30:07.240
And to this day at 49 years old, I still don't have a pilot license.
00:30:11.940
You told me, yeah, your, your military background is very interesting.
00:30:15.220
When you told me about that a few days ago, but you mentioned James Topp.
00:30:19.300
James Topp's a very, I think he, I think he's a great person.
00:30:25.420
Can you tell us a little bit more about James Topp for the people that don't really know
00:30:32.760
He was a young soldier in the Medak pocket in, I think, 1993.
00:30:37.760
And it was the first time since Korea that, or probably Cyprus in the night in 1970, when
00:30:44.480
Canada had been involved in, in combat missions or a combat situation in a built up area was
00:30:55.200
And that was in 1993 when he was really young in the military.
00:31:00.180
And then he, he did leave the military for a very short time, but within the same year
00:31:07.620
And he had done, he, during 9-11, he was, I think, deployed to Macedonia during, uh, during
00:31:14.860
But then he had done three, no, two combat tours as a sniper in Afghanistan and in a reconnaissance
00:31:22.960
And, you know, he's, he's an exceptionally smart man and he's got a, he's got a very unique
00:31:32.520
So his brilliance actually doesn't always come out because of his sense of humor.
00:31:36.920
Uh, but I have always suspected that maybe he had a photographic memory too.
00:31:41.020
Well, just to put some context to the images that we're seeing right now, that was when
00:31:46.540
I believe that James Topp went marching from British Columbia to Ottawa to protest, uh,
00:31:51.700
government overreach to protest, how the federal government was acting at the moment
00:31:55.420
to protest COVID-19 mandates, COVID-19 restriction.
00:31:58.860
So he walked the whole way from British Columbia to Ottawa and here we can see him right after
00:32:04.060
he, uh, laid a few things on the tomb of the unknown soldier, uh, being very emotional.
00:32:10.580
Um, and I think two days ago, I might be wrong, but I think two days ago, you guys had a meeting
00:32:16.020
and you were there, you guys had a meeting with some MPs in a parliamentary building.
00:32:21.680
Can you tell us more about how that meeting went?
00:32:23.540
I would say, uh, I've got mixed feelings about that meeting with the, uh, federal MPs because
00:32:30.300
first and foremost, no other political party showed up to that meeting.
00:32:35.280
And we did two back-to-back meetings and none of the political parties except the federal
00:32:43.180
And Dean Allison was, uh, the one who sponsored it.
00:32:49.700
And, um, you know, he, he was the one who made that happen.
00:32:55.040
And of all of the people in this country who have been protested, protesting COVID-19 mandates
00:33:00.760
and measures since the beginning of this, James is the only person that actually got a meeting
00:33:06.060
with the federal government to discuss some of the issues.
00:33:09.420
And while I was encouraged by what he was saying and, and, you know, various parts of that meeting,
00:33:15.020
I was also really frustrated by the fact that a lot of the MPs walked in, took a photo and
00:33:21.420
then left, uh, it was, you know, a photo op for some of them and for others, it was, it
00:33:28.840
And I, and I think, uh, that one of the MPs, and I do think he was from out West.
00:33:33.580
I remember him saying something that, you know, we all had more support inside the conservative
00:33:43.120
And I absolutely genuinely believe he was sincere when he said that.
00:33:48.340
But my only question is how did that translate into any actual action for the rest of Canada?
00:33:54.020
Other than they got rid of their leader, uh, Aaron O'Toole at the time, but I don't think
00:33:59.300
they got rid of Aaron O'Toole because of any of us.
00:34:02.600
I just think they got rid of him because he was a, a fundamentally weak leader of their party.
00:34:08.520
Well, yeah, I think though the convoy did have an impact on kicking out Aaron O'Toole.
00:34:13.540
I think if we didn't have the freedom convoy come in Ottawa, and I think in a certain way
00:34:18.720
exposed the weakness that Aaron O'Toole actually was the weak leader that Aaron O'Toole was.
00:34:26.680
I think it sped up that timeline that eventually was going to see his removal, but I don't think
00:34:34.040
I think very early after the first convention that they had, the entire party recognized
00:34:38.620
that they were in trouble with Aaron O'Toole as their leader.
00:34:41.220
And Aaron O'Toole is a graduate of Royal Military College in Kingston.
00:34:45.000
And he was a navigator on the Sea King helicopter.
00:34:49.720
He was a navigator on the, on the Sea King helicopters, um, for nine years.
00:34:54.980
And then he left the military honorably and became a lawyer.
00:34:59.400
And, um, you know, so I certainly would never criticize his service.
00:35:05.520
And it's just that when he got into federal politics and then became the leader, uh, we,
00:35:12.580
we just, we didn't see him really acting like a conservative.
00:35:15.860
And I, I remember watching his speech at the convention and I was like, who put the liberal
00:35:24.860
What I'm hearing, he was basically like, forget everything.
00:35:29.480
Um, and, and, and here's the thing I want to, I really want to emphasize this point that
00:35:57.360
there was almost this, um, this attitude that somehow James was trying to fight for their
00:36:08.200
And I don't mean the conservatives, I'm talking about all the other political parties.
00:36:12.500
Well, as far as I'm concerned, James Topp has spent two and a half years of his life in
00:36:16.900
war zones and combat zones, actively engaging in combat and risking his life for this country.
00:36:23.000
It was my expectation that every member of parliament in the federal government would
00:36:27.860
have been tripping over themselves to get in there and shake his hand after everything
00:36:32.220
he's done for this country, not criticize him, not align with people that, that say the
00:36:37.160
rest of us are a bunch of, um, you know, fringe minority misogynist racists.
00:36:42.940
And by not going in meeting with James, that clearly to me was exceptionally disrespectful
00:36:51.620
And whether you agreed with his protest, which was against COVID-19 mandates or not, he served
00:36:57.580
this country very, very well, you know, in five combat zones in his entire career, 27
00:37:12.600
But then when you object to what the government's doing and you have the balls to walk across
00:37:16.680
this country from Victoria, BC or Vancouver, all the way to Ottawa, 137 days, 4,300 kilometers.
00:37:25.980
Um, I think that that he's more than earned his risk, his right to have a meeting with every
00:37:39.820
What it says to me is that in terms of all the other political parties, Canadian soldiers
00:37:48.240
Well, that's, that's a little bit of what the message Justin Trudeau was saying and it
00:37:52.140
was sending the past years and talking about soldiers, talking about people that spent years
00:37:57.080
in a war zone, talking about veterans who aren't properly, uh, you know, helped by the current
00:38:06.540
Um, tomorrow is Remembrance Day, tomorrow is November 11th.
00:38:09.520
So there will be a ceremony in Ottawa and guess who's not attending the ceremony, guys,
00:38:16.080
He's not coming to the, he's not coming to Ottawa.
00:38:22.360
So tomorrow there will be a memorial for all the veterans, for the soldiers that gave their
00:38:26.800
life to this country that died on a war zone to defend our rights and to defend our civil
00:38:32.920
And our own prime minister isn't even willing to come and assist and be there at the ceremony,
00:38:39.520
not even help, just be there in person to pay his respect.
00:38:44.840
Well, there's about five different directions I can go in that one.
00:38:48.120
But, uh, before I, I start to talk about that big issue, let's talk a little bit about climate
00:38:53.700
change for a minute, because it's not just on an overseas trip, burning up all that fossil
00:38:58.320
fuel from his plane from Alberta and now perhaps, perhaps, I don't know, just call me crazy.
00:39:05.260
Maybe he should consider attending that summit on a zoom call.
00:39:08.420
Like the rest of Canadians have been doing for two and a half years.
00:39:11.200
I don't understand why he's going to go to Cambodia other than the fact that I believe,
00:39:16.800
um, I, I think his presence at the national war memorial this year in particular, after
00:39:22.680
he, uh, declared the emergency act against citizens of his own country, perhaps it's not,
00:39:30.260
uh, a bad idea that he doesn't attend that particular place in the nation's capital.
00:39:35.840
And, you know, I will be there and, uh, I'm not going there because of Justin Trudeau.
00:39:41.880
I'm going there because I'm in Ottawa for this commission.
00:39:44.720
And that is the, um, the Cenotaph, the national war memorial.
00:39:49.940
There's, it's, it's the premier war memorial in this country.
00:39:54.420
And because I'm in the nation's capital, I'm going there.
00:39:58.820
I'm not going there because I want to disrupt or, you know, stare at Justin Trudeau from across
00:40:03.920
That's not the whole point, but I think that in, in typical bad taste, bad judgment on his
00:40:10.800
side, I mean, this is almost like, um, you know, peace and the reconciliation where he'd
00:40:17.400
rather be surfing than a year within the same year he's declared the emergency act against
00:40:22.880
his own citizens, against the veterans that were actually beaten on the steps of that.
00:40:30.980
So, so maybe he just is, is feeling too ashamed to come to that location and to do that ceremony,
00:40:38.460
So I don't think he'd probably have a personal problem with it.
00:40:41.900
Yeah, no, honestly, um, his views are very un-Canadian to begin with.
00:40:46.800
Um, you can see that from the invocation of the emergencies act, as well as the last two,
00:40:52.280
the last two and a half years of these draconian and unscientific COVID mandates and restrictions.
00:40:57.780
Um, and then to go as far as to pit Canadians against one another and create more of a divide
00:41:04.100
for, uh, some who chose to keep their medical information concealed.
00:41:08.200
Some that didn't feel comfortable putting, uh, a certain something in their body, um, for obvious
00:41:14.060
reasons, but, um, no one would want them there.
00:41:17.380
I don't think that Canada is missing out on anything.
00:41:19.600
And that's a crying shame to have the prime minister of a, of a country, not attend something
00:41:26.740
that is for the veterans, but we see the way that he treats the veterans.
00:41:30.100
We see that he would rather actually fund, um, assisted suicide instead of help and prevent
00:41:36.600
or help provide food, um, housing and other supplies to veterans in need, because that's
00:41:43.480
what's more important to him is that that just goes to show you that he would rather actually
00:41:47.620
people literally kill themselves than, than help them in any way, shape or form.
00:41:57.840
No, I think Justin Trudeau in his whole time as a prime minister, which I truly hope ends
00:42:02.320
soon and in the next four years, he's made it clear that Justin Trudeau himself does not
00:42:10.780
Canada's veterans affairs offers assisted suicide to a veteran with PTSD.
00:42:18.560
It's disgusting and it's unacceptable and it's un-Canadian.
00:42:24.580
So yeah, I think Justin Trudeau has shown in during his time as a prime minister, that
00:42:31.820
He couldn't care less about the people that died to serve our country because we saw him
00:42:36.660
trample their own civil liberties during the freedom convoy.
00:42:39.940
We saw him say outright that the veterans are asking too much, that people who were ready
00:42:46.340
to be killed for the well-being of our citizens are asking for too much when they're going back
00:42:52.920
And we saw him offer assisted suicide to veterans with PTSD.
00:43:07.560
Can you talk to us a little bit about your book that you're writing?
00:43:11.040
Yeah, I didn't even know what the word cathartic meant.
00:43:17.440
I had heard it before, but I had to look it up because every time I mentioned the book,
00:43:20.900
people say it's very cathartic because I am writing the book myself.
00:43:25.260
I did consider getting a ghostwriter, but I decided, no, I need to tell it from my perspective
00:43:31.720
And being at the commission has been very good because I get to get a refresher because
00:43:37.840
we were so busy and we're so fuzzy on the timelines.
00:43:41.600
It wasn't about getting up in the morning and looking at the calendar.
00:43:44.800
It was about getting up and getting things done during the day.
00:43:48.580
So being at the commission has really helped refresh my memory.
00:43:52.820
And I had the same conversation with Eva yesterday.
00:43:58.240
I was sitting in the audience and listening and I was doing some writing.
00:44:01.720
And from, you know, what I was hearing today and, you know, I still, I believe I can meet
00:44:09.040
I want it for the 14th of February, which is the one year anniversary of the emergency
00:44:15.020
And a friend of mine who was actually in Windsor, he, we were talking one day and he said to
00:44:22.340
me, you know, the convoy, all this stuff was the people's emergency act.
00:44:26.040
And so that's where I got the name for the book, because that's exactly what the convoy
00:44:33.660
It was their emergency so much that they decided to come here.
00:44:37.740
So that's what the name of the book is, the people's emergency act.
00:44:41.800
And I was writing about meeting Chris Barber today, which was, which was really nice.
00:44:48.040
Well, keep that date in mind, guys, February 14th, 2023, Valentine's Day and the day that
00:44:54.340
our national drama teacher invoked the emergency act on peaceful Canadians who are here to
00:45:01.660
Definitely looking forward to reading your book, Tom.
00:45:05.020
Thank you for your service in the, in the military.
00:45:08.100
And I look forward to seeing you tomorrow at the, at the ceremony.
00:45:11.840
Well, just really quickly, actually, before we go on break again, I just wanted to point
00:45:15.280
out that I've heard that there's some other people that will also be writing books and
00:45:19.080
providing their testimonies, but I think it's a really beautiful thing because it's, it's
00:45:23.820
within the hands of the people, I believe to rewrite what that date means in Canadian history.
00:45:32.280
And when we'll be back, we will continue talking a little bit more about a few things
00:45:43.000
Freedom in 2022 is your right to disagree with me anytime on anything in your heart,
00:45:50.260
Freedom in 2022 is also your right to live your life however you see fit without hurting
00:45:56.840
But freedom in 2022 is in very real danger under constant attack by Justin Trudeau.
00:46:02.280
Through his censorship bills, his attacks on gun rights, his attacks on farmers and his
00:46:08.600
These people have even tried to denormalize our flag.
00:46:11.320
At Rebel News, we're not afraid to have dangerous discussions that Justin Trudeau, the media and
00:46:16.440
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00:46:19.400
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00:46:23.040
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00:46:28.320
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00:46:34.520
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00:46:37.540
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00:46:53.420
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00:47:06.560
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00:47:14.000
So right now we have on Sidney Fissard from Alberta. Sidney, how are you doing?
00:47:18.260
I'm doing all right. How was the day for you guys?
00:47:22.660
Alberta, and I keep saying that name, Alberta. Alberta is a great province.
00:47:26.560
Alberta is a fantastic province. Alberta is a province where there is a growing sovereign movement.
00:47:33.560
The people want Alberta's sovereignty. And while it's well, they're ungovernable and ungovernable.
00:47:40.960
That's a great segue to a documentary that was made by our good friend Kian Simone from Alberta.
00:47:50.000
I have. I can definitely speak on this. I've seen it a few times because I have also helped out and attended at these events.
00:47:56.700
You can see this at, it is albertadocumentary.com.
00:48:02.260
I'm sorry, we got a few of those amazing documentaries made by Rebels Only, Kian Simone.
00:48:06.480
So go there. It gives you an in-depth history of Alberta, how the federal government, the overhanging reach of the federal government,
00:48:15.100
has impacted Alberta's rich oil history. So go check that out there at albertadocumentary.com.
00:48:22.660
It also shows how funny-suck-wearing, drag queen lover, blackface, what's the other one I always have?
00:48:31.800
National drama teacher, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau treats Albertans nowadays and why the sovereignty movement is growing so much.
00:48:40.500
You know, I'm from Quebec. I never really had a lot of loving feelings about Alberta when I was young.
00:48:45.320
We're always told, you know, the West is mad. Conservatives always favor the West.
00:48:49.560
Conservatives don't care about Quebec. Only the liberals care about Quebec. You should hate the West.
00:48:54.100
And then I watched this documentary and I learned so many things.
00:48:57.460
And I think I said it once. So thank you, Kian, for making that documentary.
00:49:01.260
Definitely go check it out at albertadocumentary.com. It is called Ungovernable.
00:49:05.560
Ungovernable. All right. Let's take a look at clip number six from the Emergencies Act Inquiry.
00:49:13.820
Let's take a look at what the witness had said.
00:49:18.100
...comment was certainly not aligned with the comment that Deputy Minister Stewart made previous,
00:49:23.940
where he was suggesting that the federal government did have a role in particular with regards to finding interlocutors.
00:49:30.560
So from my perspective, this question was all about, from my perception, the federal government wanting to wash its hands of this entire thing.
00:49:47.060
I thought that the federal government did have a role.
00:49:49.000
At the end of the day, these protesters were in Ottawa to protest, mainly the imposition of a vaccine mandate on January 15 on international truckers.
00:50:06.860
The federal government, Public Safety Canada, does have a memorandum of understanding with Ottawa Police Service
00:50:13.520
with regards to the provision of policing resources in and around Capitol Hill.
00:50:21.980
So from my perspective, the federal government did have a role to play, just like Ontario had a role to play in the provision of resources.
00:50:36.860
I felt that some of the options that were available to the federal government included the possibility of meeting with and listening to the protesters,
00:50:47.220
the possibility of amending their vaccine mandate,
00:50:52.340
the possibility of providing additional resources to the Ottawa Police Service.
00:51:00.380
So there was a range of options available to the federal government.
00:51:05.520
And it was my position that the federal government certainly had a role to play in this.
00:51:10.780
This witness had some interesting things to say during his testimony today.
00:51:14.140
Can you give us a quick rundown of what was your main takeaway from his testimony?
00:51:18.700
I know it took a while and I think Brendan Miller cross-examined him while we were doing the live stream
00:51:30.740
His testimony was exceptionally long, just like I addressed in the beginning of this live stream.
00:51:38.780
So there were attempts made and denied, again, one more time,
00:51:43.540
in regards to actually connecting with protesters to resolve, to hear them out and to actually address what was going on.
00:51:50.780
And to have that blocked shows me, I think it shows potentially majority, if not all people,
00:51:58.740
that despite some people making the effort to have that denied, there was no intent to resolve anything.
00:52:05.020
It seems to me like they only desire to invoke the Emergencies Act because if you're not working with somebody,
00:52:12.780
again, how you do one thing is how you do all things.
00:52:15.500
I think you were the first one to say it a few live streams ago.
00:52:20.800
He keeps saying the same thing every single day because it seems like federal government wanted to invoke the EA
00:52:25.820
instead of actually negotiating with protesters.
00:52:32.900
So, you know, now the Emergencies Act, but formally, how would you address it?
00:52:40.740
So it's, in many ways, it is a repetition just for the new flavor.
00:52:50.600
It was really, really small and it's just a really short addition to just build on top of this.
00:52:56.120
Despite these things and despite the fact that that came out through Mr. Di Tommaso's testimony,
00:53:01.120
he also did say that Doug Ford, Premier of Ontario, did plan on invoking the emergency act,
00:53:12.400
And Di Tommaso said that he would actually support doing that and was going to suggest it
00:53:20.200
So, just for, you know, salt and wound, just a little addition.
00:53:25.100
Yeah, and another familiar name that came out today at the Inquirer was the name of Archer Pavlovsky,
00:53:33.240
Clip number five, we saw his name being mentioned by the, at the commission in regards to the coups.
00:53:41.480
Let's take a look, first of all, the clip, and then we can discuss it a little bit further.
00:53:45.260
Here we see an indication from him on February 4th that an Archer Pavlovsky had showed up
00:53:55.080
and fired everyone up at the coups' protest site to convince them to stay.
00:54:04.420
From the RCMP's reporting, not from this conversation.
00:54:12.280
That's the multimedia file that we had yesterday.
00:54:14.320
And I'm going to ask to play this from the 207 mark until 4.18.
00:54:26.980
They don't have enough RCMP officers to deal with that.
00:54:35.960
Do not give it away just because it feels right.
00:54:45.000
I'm not going to kid you that it's pleasant and beautiful on concrete in jail facing the biggest guns in the country.
00:54:55.900
They don't treat us well over there, especially when you're a pastor.
00:55:06.420
They did not allow me to sleep for three days and two nights.
00:55:21.820
They're coming here with their badges and they're telling you that they represent the law.
00:55:31.680
They are gangsters for the biggest mafia that there is.
00:55:36.180
And it's up to you now, for the first time in two years, to rise up, to stand up, and to hold the fort.
00:55:51.380
And if you don't want to be here, no one is stopping you.
00:55:55.760
You can take your car or your truck and you can go.
00:56:12.960
But I'm telling you, there is this huge opportunity right now that we have been given.
00:56:26.900
Because international media are watching you right now.
00:56:37.060
Have you seen that speech before by Archer Pulaski?
00:56:44.820
You hear that he is singling out Premier Kenney as the source of the problem?
00:56:54.180
And he said, this is our Alamo, referring, I take it to the standoff at the Alamo in Texas?
00:57:04.360
And he points to the international attention that has been gathered and says, that's power, right?
00:57:20.240
You know, when he spoke about his experience as a pastor that was jailed, the treatment he felt in a prison.
00:57:26.280
And I think Omar Khadr was treated better than this.
00:57:29.500
And Omar Khadr is a terrorist who received millions of dollars by the federal government.
00:57:33.680
But hearing him recall his experience as a pastor that was put in jail for protesting the government, for protesting Jason Kenney's quote-unquote mafia, you know, it's sad.
00:57:47.180
Well, and you know, a little bit of a background on Pastor Archer Pulaski.
00:57:50.440
If you're unfamiliar with his story, you can go to savearcher.com and you can check that out.
00:57:54.940
But just a brief summary of that is, he is a pastor who defied the COVID-19 lockdown and restrictions in order to keep his church open, continue feeding the homeless.
00:58:05.580
And he was arrested and charged multiple times for doing these things, just because he had a different opinion than the federal and provincial government at that time.
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I just want to break that down a little bit more as well.
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Now, that's very suggestive of Archer Pulaski having some innate sense of control over this group of individuals, which is absolutely ridiculous.
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How does one control such a large group of people that have gone there of their own volition, just because they're all moving towards the same goal behind some of the same ideologies, not all.
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And then also, I want to touch on the fact that after this sermon was given, and again, pastors preach, he gave the sermons.
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He was arrested and he spent 51 days in jail for this.
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I can't imagine the way that we treat our pastors here in Canada.
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Sydney, I think that you are, you got a chance to meet Pastor Archer Pulaski.
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Well, in the sense of him being somebody who incited them to stay while we already heard previously, that all of the demonstrators that were in Coots, they decided before he made his service.
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And I talked to them afterward about Archer Pulaski's arrest while I was in Coots.
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The government was kind of selecting him as the designated head or the leader just so that they could have the individual key representative like they were seeking for seemingly the whole time.
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And, you know, they talk about how there was a multitude of leaders, organizations, groups, factions, individuals who all had a multitude of mixed motivations.
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And they were attempting to communicate at various different times with enforcement.
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So it's very shocking to find out that he would be put away behind bars for such actions when it was such a decentralized movement.
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And he even said there was the PSIO, I'm not going to remember the abbreviation, but it was an intelligence assessment that's alluded to the fact that early on, on February 1st, at least, there was no apparent centralized leader.
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There was no communication between Coots and the Freedom Convoy, but they were inspired and in support of the Freedom Convoy.
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And much like we saw decentralized action across the province, we saw decentralized action across the country in relation to the Freedom Convoy.
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Any real allegations of a leader, it's like a quest for Tyler Durden, right?
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This, you know, phantom figure who's going around, you know, creating this entire organization of people that are going to take over the government and create anarchy for everything, right?
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Maybe that's, I don't know, you can talk to me about how fair of an analysis that might be.
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And I think, yeah, I think some people are trying to look for a leader.
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The government of Canada, the Ottawa Coalition, Paul Champ, little group there.
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They are trying to look for, there is indeed no leader.
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Thank you so much to everyone for tuning in today.
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And thank you, Tom, who's somewhere in the streets of Ottawa at the moment.
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We've got provincial governments that have stripped away fundamental human and civil liberties in Canada.
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And we've got a federal government that is censoring and controlling the media and even cracking down on the right to protest in ways that are unprecedented in the post-war era.
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It's a fascinating but terrifying time if you're concerned about freedom, concerned about your basic liberties right now.
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But we've got to do more than just complain about it.
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That's why I've accepted the invitation to speak at the Rebel Live conference in Calgary, November 26th, coming right up here.
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I'm going to be speaking in particular about the state of the media.
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It's controlled by the federal government and what independent media can do to hold power to account, to stand up for our basic freedoms.