Rebel News Podcast - November 15, 2022


BREAKDOWN： Trucker Commission Day 21 ｜ Ft. Tom Marazzo


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In this episode of Rebel News Live, host Alex Blanchard and co-host Selene Gallas are joined by Freedom Convoy's Tom Morato to talk about the Emergency Act inquiry, and the testimony from two witnesses.

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00:00:30.000 Well, welcome back, everyone.
00:00:31.700 Good evening to everyone listening at home on YouTube, Rumble, Odyssey, Getter,
00:00:36.860 wherever you are listening.
00:00:37.860 I'm here joined by my great colleague, Selene Gallas,
00:00:40.620 from the great province of Alberta.
00:00:42.120 Selene, how are you doing?
00:00:43.640 Really good.
00:00:44.500 There's lots to unpack today, so I hope everyone's buckled in
00:00:47.640 and ready to get right into it.
00:00:49.440 I think we're all pretty tired.
00:00:50.660 It's been, what, four weeks?
00:00:52.440 I don't know.
00:00:53.020 Four years?
00:00:53.680 Four weeks?
00:00:53.940 Something like that.
00:00:54.780 Yeah, four years.
00:00:55.180 Yeah, right.
00:00:55.620 Last time we talked about it, we were talking in terms of years.
00:00:58.020 I think that's how we're all feeling, honestly.
00:00:59.660 It's a long inquiry, but always super interesting.
00:01:03.220 I'm also joined to my left by Freedom Convoy, key figure, Tom Morato.
00:01:09.580 Tom, how are you?
00:01:10.360 Volunteer.
00:01:11.040 The volunteer is very good.
00:01:12.460 Well, on your LinkedIn profile, we see that it is written internship.
00:01:16.440 Are you an intern or a volunteer?
00:01:18.440 You know, I guess I could say both,
00:01:20.940 because technically interns usually don't make a lot of money 0.98
00:01:23.480 if they make any money at all.
00:01:24.940 So let's go with intern or volunteer.
00:01:27.360 That's right.
00:01:27.640 Unless you're an intern hired by the NDP or the Liberal Party
00:01:31.060 at the Parliament there, you are unionized and you make a bunch of money.
00:01:35.420 They make a lot of money, interns.
00:01:36.820 I think that you would be very surprised to see how much money
00:01:39.640 a single intern at Parliament makes when they work for the Liberals
00:01:43.400 or the NDP or the Greens, because the Conservatives
00:01:45.440 don't have the right to be unionized, which is pretty funny.
00:01:47.720 There's a rumor going around that I actually work directly for Doug Ford.
00:01:52.080 And for the record, I've never been in a room on a Zoom call, phone call.
00:01:58.260 I've never done smoke signals or chiseling away at stone tablets with Doug Ford.
00:02:02.320 That's right.
00:02:02.700 So when we clear that up, I have no knowledge of that.
00:02:05.240 Well, I think you've been speaking negatively enough about Doug Ford and Justin Trudeau
00:02:09.120 for people to see that you're not the most nice to them.
00:02:13.720 All right.
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00:03:29.440 Today was the last day of the Emergency Act Inquiry for the week because tomorrow it is
00:03:33.720 Remembrance Day.
00:03:34.360 And well, if you go to CPAC or our website or the PublicOrderMinistryCommission.com website,
00:03:40.580 you will not see any live stream because we have a break tomorrow.
00:03:43.640 So today was the last day of the week.
00:03:45.080 And can you tell us more about the two people that we got the chance to hear from today?
00:03:48.880 Yes.
00:03:49.180 So there was two testimonies that we heard today.
00:03:51.320 So yesterday, as you know, we didn't get to touch on Mario Di Tommaso's testimony because
00:03:57.980 that was during the time where the lawyer for the Commission Senior Counsel actually fainted
00:04:02.780 or allegedly fainted.
00:04:04.440 We're not sure exactly what happened.
00:04:06.560 Sure.
00:04:06.700 Safe to say.
00:04:07.880 So today we got to see that.
00:04:09.300 It resumed this afternoon.
00:04:10.340 And this morning we had from the Alberta government, we had Marlon DeGrant.
00:04:14.820 He's a part of the Law Enforcement Oversight Division for the Ministry of Justice and Solicitor
00:04:19.940 Governor.
00:04:20.820 So we can take a look at some clips following that.
00:04:24.200 And then again, this afternoon, we had Mario Di Tommaso.
00:04:28.180 He's the Deputy Solicitor General for the province of Ontario here.
00:04:32.440 Right.
00:04:32.680 So how did you find your general analysis of how today went?
00:04:36.020 Gosh, that's a loaded question, William.
00:04:40.040 Well, fresh off the top of my memory, if we can talk about Di Tommaso's testimony, it was
00:04:48.000 very, very lengthy.
00:04:49.580 I was actually surprised that there was only two testimonies in a full day, but I'm not
00:04:54.860 surprised because there was so much to unpack.
00:04:57.820 A lot came to light.
00:04:59.460 We had some clips that revealed and we'll be able to show you as well.
00:05:02.920 But one in particular is where he admitted that there was an attempt to contact the convoys,
00:05:09.020 the convoy in Ottawa in particular, by the provincial government in Ontario that was then denied
00:05:14.560 by the federal government.
00:05:15.840 So that's very breaking to me.
00:05:18.240 I mean, we've talked about through the course of the last couple of weeks that there has
00:05:22.360 been no attempt to contact the organizers or the convoy in general, excuse me.
00:05:27.180 But that was changed today.
00:05:29.940 So that is that is a new piece of information that I think is very important.
00:05:33.860 And we'd love to show you that clip as well.
00:05:35.620 Do we have that ready?
00:05:36.640 I think it was a pretty long day.
00:05:37.920 And just before we get to that and before we get to Tom, where I know that you've been
00:05:41.500 live tweeting all day.
00:05:42.420 Where can people follow your live coverage on Twitter?
00:05:45.840 Yeah.
00:05:46.020 So if you go on Twitter, you can go to Celine C-X-L-I-V.
00:05:49.820 I'll spell my name for you.
00:05:50.780 Not Celine like Dion.
00:05:51.860 It is Italian.
00:05:52.740 So S-E-L-E-N-E. 1.00
00:05:55.000 And then last part of it is C-X-L-I-V. 0.88
00:05:57.720 We're going to pull it up.
00:05:58.580 There it is.
00:05:59.740 And you can follow me for the entire day's proceedings going forward.
00:06:04.420 I live tweet from the very beginning of the morning to the very end until I come here
00:06:08.620 and I prepare to do the live stream for a more in-depth breakdown.
00:06:11.980 Yeah, of course.
00:06:12.660 Well, if you want to follow everything minute by minute, play by play, like Brendan Miller
00:06:17.000 would like to say, you can go to, well, Celine's Twitter account.
00:06:22.120 Tom, you've been following all day from what I understand.
00:06:25.160 What is your general takeaway?
00:06:28.140 Interesting.
00:06:28.540 I listened to some of the testimony earlier on in the morning.
00:06:34.420 And obviously, whenever they were talking about the military and that testimony came
00:06:40.000 up, you know, I perked up a little bit and started to listen a little bit more.
00:06:46.020 But I don't really think that that part of the conversations is overly newsworthy.
00:06:51.300 But it was interesting to me to see that there was an attempt in Alberta to have the military
00:06:57.820 get involved and provide them with some heavy equipment or towing capacity.
00:07:04.420 But I think the witness today was talking about how frustrated he was that he knew because
00:07:10.240 in his organization, they had retired military there that were kind of giving advice in terms
00:07:15.640 of what military equipment they could have to go and start towing trucks.
00:07:19.760 But the, you know, the Canadian forces struggles desperately to keep a lot of its equipment serviceable.
00:07:29.280 And so it doesn't mean that, you know, just because the military would say, hey, we can't
00:07:34.480 support you and what you're asking for, doesn't mean they don't have the equipment.
00:07:38.460 It just might mean that it's actually not serviceable.
00:07:41.180 And so that's always a challenge for the military.
00:07:43.300 So I think, you know, when they kind of paint that narrative that, you know, the military
00:07:47.940 couldn't do the job, it's kind of true, but not through any like resistance on the part
00:07:56.020 of the military to get involved.
00:07:57.260 But more importantly, you know, for a province to request the military, they do have to go
00:08:02.280 through the federal government to get that support.
00:08:04.360 They just because they're co-located with the military in that province with CFB Edmonton,
00:08:10.200 they can't just go to Edmonton and say, hey, can you help us out here?
00:08:13.560 They actually have to request that through proper channels and through the chain of command
00:08:17.780 within the various levels of government, federal government, because the military doesn't work
00:08:22.440 for the premier.
00:08:24.060 It's not like in the United States where a governor has his own military in every state.
00:08:29.100 Here we have one military and they all are federal and the answer to the Minister of National
00:08:33.440 Defense and the Prime Minister.
00:08:35.160 So, you know, it was interesting to see the interpretation of how to employ the military
00:08:40.660 in a situation like that.
00:08:42.560 And then there was discussion about using them for using the reservists.
00:08:47.140 And that was denied by the Canadian military as well.
00:08:50.280 So just some interesting kind of perceptions on how to go about using the military for an operation
00:08:56.640 like this.
00:08:57.220 And I guess the last comment I could have about that is that, you know, it's very, very important
00:09:03.800 for the military to never to be seen as being in charge with a law in a law enforcement
00:09:12.520 capacity.
00:09:13.780 They don't want Canadians to ever have that perception that the military is actively working
00:09:19.740 against its own citizens in any way.
00:09:21.500 We have a law enforcement, various levels of law enforcement agencies within our country.
00:09:28.620 They do law enforcement activities.
00:09:31.280 The military does war fighting and overseas.
00:09:35.420 And so it's important that the military is never seen as being involved in a law enforcement
00:09:42.080 activity.
00:09:43.380 Well, yeah.
00:09:43.660 And I thought that it was really interesting when he almost went in to criticize the fact
00:09:48.820 that they refused to get involved by going to the, as far as to say that, oh, you know,
00:09:54.020 they have so-and-so equipment to remove much larger tanks and goes to list a type of tank
00:10:00.280 that I cannot recall because I did not retain that information.
00:10:03.100 But even to just go out of the way to make a side comment that had nothing to do, he already
00:10:06.880 disclosed that he knew that the military decided to stay out of it.
00:10:10.280 Yes.
00:10:11.040 It was really interesting to me.
00:10:12.660 Rightfully so.
00:10:13.460 Because, you know, during the convoy itself, there was a lot of rumors flying around.
00:10:18.240 Like the truckers were very, very agitated and worked up a lot of anxiety about the military
00:10:24.340 being called in.
00:10:25.900 And I remember doing one of the live streams that I did where I repeatedly stated there
00:10:31.520 is no mission for the Canadian Armed Forces right now.
00:10:34.080 Yeah.
00:10:34.440 So the level of anxiety amongst the truckers needs to come down.
00:10:38.680 They don't have a mission.
00:10:39.940 So let's just kind of put that to rest.
00:10:42.020 First, this is a law enforcement government of Canada problem.
00:10:45.860 This is not a military problem in any kind.
00:10:48.980 And I spoke to a lot of people where we were working around the street.
00:10:53.900 And I said, look, they're not a factor in this.
00:10:57.360 The War Measures Act or the Emergency Act would have introduced a different dynamic.
00:11:02.360 Yeah.
00:11:02.720 But it was still my firm belief that even then the military would not want to participate
00:11:09.440 in something like that.
00:11:10.480 But I will say, which is disappointing, and maybe it'll come out in the future, but I
00:11:17.280 think that there was a, you know, we, in the military, we would say that somebody was
00:11:21.720 leaning forward, meaning kind of getting ready to do a possible task.
00:11:26.400 And I think there is some evidence that the Chief of Defence Staff was leaning forward and
00:11:31.660 anticipating that maybe he would be employing his soldiers in Ottawa.
00:11:37.240 Goodness.
00:11:38.220 Well, that's interesting analysis.
00:11:40.100 We're just going to start by, we're going to start with the commission, with the clips
00:11:44.000 that we have from today.
00:11:45.240 We're going to start with clip number one.
00:11:46.400 And we're already starting with an interesting clip.
00:11:48.780 The mayor, not the mayor, sorry, what did I say, mayor?
00:11:51.240 Marlon DeGrasse from the Alberta Public Safety Minister said that the protesters at the
00:11:58.460 CUDS border blockade were already dismantling the blockade on the morning of February 14th,
00:12:04.820 the day that Justin Trudeau decided to invoke the Emergency Act once again on Valentine's
00:12:09.600 Day, very ironic.
00:12:10.760 Let's take a look at what DeGrasse had to say.
00:12:14.520 Sorry, let me back up.
00:12:15.660 The evidence we've heard is that protesters met in the morning of February 14th and decided
00:12:22.140 they would be leaving the next morning.
00:12:24.480 Were you advised on the 14th that they had made that decision?
00:12:28.380 I was.
00:12:29.200 And do you recall around what time you were advised?
00:12:32.080 It was very early in the morning that I was advised of the enforcement actions,
00:12:38.260 7, well, very early for me, sorry, 7, 7.30.
00:12:45.960 Now, I'm struggling now to recall if it was at that particular conversation or in one of
00:12:52.180 the conversations I had in the morning that I was advised that it looked like the protesters
00:12:58.560 were now dismantling.
00:12:59.500 I want to think it was kind of a little bit later on, but that would be speculative on my
00:13:06.780 part.
00:13:06.960 It was all within the morning, certainly, of the 14th.
00:13:10.520 So within the morning, you understood they would be leaving the next morning?
00:13:15.240 Or in beginning preparation that day, actually, and there was already events, people taking
00:13:20.620 down tents and structures and leaving on the 14th.
00:13:25.100 I thought that his testimony was pretty interesting.
00:13:28.880 He didn't have the same dialogue as Doug Ford or people from the OPS or DOPP or Jim Watson
00:13:35.320 had.
00:13:36.080 He didn't seem to be as prone to a federal military response to the convoy and to blockade
00:13:42.760 as other people were.
00:13:43.780 Well, you know why?
00:13:45.300 Because he's from Alberta.
00:13:47.560 Yeah.
00:13:47.700 That's why.
00:13:50.760 But yeah, no, in all seriousness, like this also correlates with other testimonies that
00:13:55.360 we saw coming in from COOTS.
00:13:56.520 So Mayor Jim Willett, as well as Marco Hugenbos.
00:14:02.300 And no, those were the only two that testified from COOTS.
00:14:04.980 Correct me if I'm wrong.
00:14:06.200 Yeah, I believe those are directly from COOTS.
00:14:08.740 Yeah, so that all matches up.
00:14:10.500 And it's also the same with the other border blockades that we saw.
00:14:13.740 The one in Windsor, specifically on Ambassador Bridge, those blockades, so to speak, were all
00:14:19.820 dismantled prior to the Emergencies Act being invoked as well.
00:14:23.900 So I don't know.
00:14:26.060 Just to reiterate it, the convoy in Ottawa had nothing to do in terms of the organizational
00:14:30.920 purposes to the convoy.
00:14:33.340 Well, not the convoy, the blockades and coups.
00:14:35.020 There was, to my knowledge, absolutely no connection to any other protest across Canada.
00:14:44.480 And I testified to that fact as well.
00:14:48.020 And Justice Rouleau actually asked me if I was making an assumption or if it was actually
00:14:53.040 I knew for a fact there was no connection.
00:14:55.800 And so for this particular question, it's an important question that I remember speaking
00:15:02.820 to people where I was located and I said, we are not getting involved in any other convoy
00:15:09.040 or any blockade of any kind.
00:15:11.640 We need to be very, very specific about that.
00:15:15.600 Maybe you could, I think you could make a case that the convoy inspired other people to
00:15:20.200 take action in their area.
00:15:21.560 But I didn't want to get ever painted or accused, you know, and here we are, November.
00:15:27.500 I didn't want to ever be in a situation where we would be accused as being like this national
00:15:32.300 headquarters coordinating all the things, which interesting is when the commissioner of the
00:15:38.660 OPP was testifying, he said he was absolutely convinced that there was national coordination
00:15:45.740 in order to test the limitations of law enforcement across the country and across the province.
00:15:53.060 And I fundamentally disagree with that assessment.
00:15:57.260 And it's unfortunate that that's a statement that he had kind of made on the stand.
00:16:02.360 I was very, very frustrated by that.
00:16:04.680 Yeah.
00:16:04.840 But, you know, I think, I think it's unfortunate that he chose those words like that, but not
00:16:09.560 unfortunate, um, in the, in the way that, um, it does anything, uh, to, to deface already
00:16:17.440 what we know, which is that there is no way, there's no way that there was communication
00:16:23.000 through, they all happen at different times.
00:16:25.520 If anything, I'd like to just point out that I believe that coots actually inspired the rest 0.95
00:16:30.040 of the blockades because they were the first ones to just decide to drop themselves down
00:16:33.940 and stop moving from a slow roll.
00:16:36.360 Um, in Ottawa, there was so much going on that even despite coots happening, I couldn't even
00:16:41.980 catch up to coots myself until we were almost all the way to coots in Alberta from our trip
00:16:48.420 back because there's so much going on.
00:16:51.060 Um, and that's a huge aspect, right?
00:16:53.980 And you know, what's interesting is, um, I watched the trucker rebellion, uh, the documentary
00:16:59.840 that you guys did and, uh, what's his name?
00:17:03.140 What's his name?
00:17:03.740 I don't know.
00:17:04.220 He's around here.
00:17:05.100 He's somewhere in this building.
00:17:06.660 He was heavily involved in this documentary.
00:17:08.820 Would you mean Kian Simone, Rebels Kian Simone?
00:17:11.660 I think if I look over my shoulder, I'm looking right at him.
00:17:14.400 The man behind that camera.
00:17:15.840 But I, I, you know, I learned so much from that documentary and I, as I was watching it,
00:17:21.680 I, I, I have to admit, I felt a little bit of, um, a little bit of sadness in the fact
00:17:27.580 that even during the, these two things were happening simultaneously.
00:17:31.140 Yeah.
00:17:31.800 I wasn't paying more attention to the other, uh, events across Canada because what they
00:17:37.120 were doing in coots was just unbelievable.
00:17:39.460 Like I, I was very, very impressed when I watched the documentary and see, and could see what
00:17:44.920 people were going through.
00:17:46.060 Yeah.
00:17:46.180 And I know somebody that was at coots that I met this summer when I was traveling out
00:17:49.920 there.
00:17:50.340 And so what was happening around the country, uh, we didn't need to coordinate it.
00:17:56.020 It wasn't required.
00:17:57.360 It just was not important to coordinate it.
00:17:59.540 Everybody was doing their own thing in the best way that they thought to get the change
00:18:03.920 that we were all looking for.
00:18:05.080 And we all had almost the same goal.
00:18:07.720 So the fact that it was grassroots across the country is absolutely perfect.
00:18:12.380 And, you know, to speak a little bit more on that, if you wanted to check out that documentary
00:18:15.840 yourself, you can go to trucker, trucker documentary.com and you can watch it there.
00:18:20.940 It goes in depth, um, uh, behind the scenes, uh, RCMP action.
00:18:25.900 So the negotiations that went down, we had rebel news reporters embedded in that entire story.
00:18:31.820 So go check it out at trucker documentary.com.
00:18:35.620 Of course.
00:18:36.240 Well, definitely interesting to hear your perspective from someone who was actually at
00:18:38.980 the coots, coots border blockade.
00:18:40.940 I wasn't there myself.
00:18:42.360 I was still in Ottawa, still in the gorgeous, but corrupt city of Ottawa.
00:18:46.380 And you were in a small town of the great province of Alberta.
00:18:49.560 How was it in coots?
00:18:51.580 Um, it was very different than from when I was in Ottawa.
00:18:56.000 So there was kind of two aspects to coots and that area in general.
00:19:01.220 That's really important to note is that there was a protest stopped at milk river, this very
00:19:06.760 small city as well, or village, I guess you could call it right before, um, coots, which
00:19:11.660 is just bordering on Montana and the U S.
00:19:13.940 Um, so that atmosphere there at milk river was a lot like Ottawa in the sense that it
00:19:18.580 was, you know, super party themed.
00:19:20.560 Um, the atmosphere was really uplifting.
00:19:22.860 It was joyful.
00:19:23.700 People were very cheery and merry and smiling and, you know, sharing their stories and just
00:19:29.300 happy to be united as one.
00:19:30.700 And then, you know, you, you, you travel a couple of kilometers more and you hit coots
00:19:35.860 and it's a very small village, about 250 people.
00:19:39.760 And, um, the tensions were high because that's where the border was next to.
00:19:45.180 And that's where all of the negotiations with the RCMP were going down.
00:19:48.860 That was the main, if there was a control hub for, for if they were going to move, if they
00:19:55.760 weren't going to move, everyone there was kind of in contact with each other.
00:19:59.220 And again, with no specific leader, which is very interesting, but it shows you that
00:20:03.480 if there's a common goal, obviously people are going to put aside any differences that
00:20:07.420 they might have for a common theme for a common movement.
00:20:11.060 And that's exactly what we saw in coots.
00:20:12.820 It was very interesting.
00:20:13.660 I was just talking about the fact that both protests had an uplifting spirit, that both
00:20:17.980 protests were super positive.
00:20:19.760 It was a party like feeling.
00:20:21.480 Um, and I think despite, you know, the protest being totally unrelated in terms of a connection
00:20:26.500 between them, apart from their purpose, both protests were uplifting, both protests had
00:20:32.260 a party like spirit, as you were talking about.
00:20:34.500 I think that's very interesting to hear.
00:20:35.500 And I think that says a lot that that's my point.
00:20:37.500 I think that says a lot about the movement, the freedom movement.
00:20:41.040 Well, it was grassroots, you know, it was a grassroots movement from the very beginning.
00:20:46.180 Um, and I think that they're trying to make all of these different connections about them
00:20:50.880 being in cahoots somehow, because they refuse to believe that there's actually that many
00:20:55.420 Canadians that would come together for a common cause, um, and, and wouldn't be connected
00:21:00.560 in some sense.
00:21:01.320 But it just points to show how many people were in fact fed up.
00:21:04.560 And this was all of Canada.
00:21:06.420 Of course.
00:21:07.320 All right.
00:21:07.740 Let's go back on today's topic.
00:21:09.420 Take a look at the second clip of the day, um, from the emergency second choir, because
00:21:13.980 we're, we're here for, we're here for the emergency second choir.
00:21:16.720 I'd love to be talking about, I bought Alberta all, all day about Alberta, the whole life
00:21:20.760 dream.
00:21:21.420 Let's continue to look at what went on today with clip number two.
00:21:26.200 So, um, under the heading Alberta, it says that the biggest operational challenge to
00:21:30.920 date is procuring, towing, uh, wrecking equipment and skilled workers to operate the equipment.
00:21:37.140 That's correct.
00:21:38.180 Um, by this point, uh, you had most of that equipment at least.
00:21:42.420 The information that, uh, Mr. Talal in this message was referencing came from a, a point
00:21:48.020 in time prior to us having finalized the, uh, the, the purchase of the last of the equipment.
00:21:53.780 So we were still looking for trucks when he and I had a conversation and his, his reference
00:22:00.840 uh, his, uh, reference to our conversation contained in this email to, uh, Rob Stewart is, is based
00:22:06.780 on that sort of time dated information that we were still looking for it.
00:22:10.840 Of course.
00:22:11.800 And, and by that, that point on February 13th, you had no idea that the federal government
00:22:16.140 was about to invoke the emergencies act.
00:22:18.520 That's correct, sir.
00:22:20.480 So, you know, just to put some name on the faces, uh, to our left, you had.
00:22:24.880 Alan Honor.
00:22:25.520 Alan Honor, who is, yeah, who is a lawyer with a, the Democracy Fund, a registered Canadian
00:22:29.940 charity that focuses on fighting for the civil liberties of the Canadian, they have standing
00:22:34.660 in the Public Order Emergency Commission.
00:22:36.880 So them alongside the GCCH, Justice Center for Constitutional Freedom.
00:22:41.080 And I believe the Canadian Liberty Association, Civil Liberties Association, something along
00:22:46.360 those lines, those three have standing all together, which means that they are able to
00:22:50.800 decide, okay, well, who's going to ask the question?
00:22:52.680 They are able to work together to formulate the question to ask the witnesses.
00:22:56.180 So in this clip, we saw Alan Honor talk to, uh, the ground, is that the way, is that his
00:23:00.960 last name?
00:23:01.420 Legrand, yeah.
00:23:02.060 Legrand, yeah, Legrand.
00:23:03.680 Um, Marlon, Marlon, the ground, that's right.
00:23:06.660 Legrand.
00:23:07.000 Yeah.
00:23:07.320 And he basically said that he had no idea the government would invoke an emergencies act
00:23:12.300 on February 13th.
00:23:15.240 So the day before Trudeau deciding to say, happy Valentine's Day Canadians, I love you so
00:23:20.620 much.
00:23:20.940 I'm going to trample your civil liberties.
00:23:22.440 He's, he had no idea the cabinet was going to do so.
00:23:25.880 Oh yeah.
00:23:26.060 And that was revealed actually in depth today.
00:23:28.160 So the, the, the government of Alberta had no prior recollection and, uh, there, there
00:23:33.940 was, it did come out that there was a meeting, uh, prior to the invocation of the emergencies
00:23:37.980 act.
00:23:38.360 And they had no, again, they had no prior, um, notice of what the meeting would be about.
00:23:44.680 And so they were not involved in any way, shape or form regarding the decision to invoke
00:23:49.500 the emergencies act inquiry, which I'm not surprised because it's Alberta, but also that's
00:23:56.180 insane.
00:23:56.760 How can you invoke, uh, uh, uh, counter-terrorism law, AKA what was it?
00:24:02.740 The, um, the war.
00:24:04.000 Successor to War Measures Act.
00:24:05.620 Exactly.
00:24:06.200 Well put.
00:24:06.960 Exactly.
00:24:07.780 Well, yeah, I think it's a great way to say, I love you once again, Canadians on Valentine's
00:24:11.300 that you love them so much that you just want to take your civil liberties away.
00:24:14.680 Tom, what'd you make of that?
00:24:18.680 Not too much.
00:24:19.980 Not too much.
00:24:20.960 Is it surprising?
00:24:21.940 Well, it is, it is not surprising, but yet the, the cynical part of me says, come on,
00:24:32.680 you guys all knew.
00:24:33.720 Yeah.
00:24:34.080 You all knew you, you had, you had to at least have some sort of suspicions, you know, remember
00:24:38.540 what I said about leaning forward, you know, when you're, when you're leaning forward, that
00:24:43.220 kind of signals to other people that you got something on the go.
00:24:46.900 And so I, I, I would not ever come out and say he's lying because I don't believe he's
00:24:54.160 lying, but I would certainly think that they had a sneaking suspicion that something was
00:24:59.840 in the works.
00:25:00.320 Well, I think, I think there's a difference between having a suspicion and being informed
00:25:04.240 or knowing.
00:25:05.220 Yes.
00:25:05.640 Well, there's always plausible deniability too, right?
00:25:08.400 That's right.
00:25:08.980 Well, to go a little bit more in depth on that, it could be possible.
00:25:12.460 Obviously it's always possible.
00:25:13.880 That's why I say, I'd love to be a fly on the wall for some of those meetings, but I
00:25:18.640 think a really interesting, it came out in the testimony yesterday when Jim Willett, the
00:25:25.740 mayor of Coutts was giving his testimony, but he actually provided information that suggested
00:25:30.620 and it showed a hundred percent that the, the ex minister of transportation, Raj Ansani was
00:25:37.440 actually going to go to Coutts and connect with those protesters.
00:25:41.020 And she was stopped by the federal, oh, sorry, by the provincial government in Alberta.
00:25:46.580 So that leaning forward statement would give grounds.
00:25:50.760 I believe it holds some grounds to, to, to be provincial or federal provincial, provincial
00:25:57.200 government.
00:25:57.880 Yes.
00:25:58.240 You know, the, the other issue is when you're planning something big, you, you do something
00:26:04.220 called a staff check, which is basically like, do I have the people, do I have the equipment?
00:26:08.280 Do I have all the other resources to move a large body of people from one location to
00:26:12.700 another?
00:26:13.160 Yeah.
00:26:13.960 And, you know, you start to think, okay, how do I level all the resources across the province
00:26:18.520 to do this policing that I have to do?
00:26:20.640 So when you start asking people questions that are related to resources, I think you start
00:26:26.040 to get a sneaking suspicion that you're going to be getting resources.
00:26:30.240 Yeah.
00:26:30.320 So, you know, there's lots that you could, uh, deductively figure that something is coming
00:26:37.940 up.
00:26:38.500 No, for sure.
00:26:39.220 I think that's fair enough for sure.
00:26:40.780 Totally right.
00:26:41.600 All right.
00:26:41.800 Let's go to a quick ad break.
00:26:43.280 When we come back, we'll look further into, uh, today's procedures of the inquiry.
00:26:47.740 We will also talk about, uh, military veterans and remembrance day.
00:26:52.620 And in relation to that, our national drama teacher slash drag queen performer, Justin Trudeau.
00:26:59.460 All right, let's take a, let's take a quick break.
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00:28:03.760 So we are, we are back guys.
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00:28:20.900 Tom, you were in the military in the past for Canada.
00:28:24.720 Can you give us a little bit more, can you tell us a little bit more about your background
00:28:27.740 in the military?
00:28:28.180 Yeah, so I actually started off in the reserves in 1990 and I was 16 years old, but I was in
00:28:34.920 my 17th year.
00:28:36.060 So technically like after January, you're technically in your 17th year.
00:28:40.140 So I was eligible to enroll and I wanted to be a pilot.
00:28:45.620 That's what I wanted to do.
00:28:46.820 That's why I joined and I was in, and I, and I joined the reserves to see if I would be
00:28:51.580 interested in military life.
00:28:53.800 And I remember being a young infantry private and I hated it.
00:28:58.300 I just, I hated it.
00:28:59.820 I really didn't like it.
00:29:01.300 But then, you know, eight and a half years later, I ended up joining the regular force
00:29:06.140 and I almost got in as a pilot, but then I failed the eye exam.
00:29:11.500 So I got my next, you know, best option was to become a combat engineer.
00:29:18.580 And so in 1998, I enrolled in the regular force as a combat engineer officer.
00:29:24.080 And very similar to the infantry, except that you get to do some pretty cool stuff like,
00:29:28.360 you know, minefields, blowing at bridges and stuff like that.
00:29:32.420 And it's interesting because I met James Topp in 1996 when I was still in the reserves.
00:29:38.860 And James and I were on a course together called Assault Pioneer.
00:29:42.480 And that's where it's the infantry's version of a combat engineer.
00:29:48.960 And so that's when I first met James Topp like 27 years ago.
00:29:55.280 And, but I, what we were doing on that course with the infantry and all the explosives and
00:30:00.060 all the demolition stuff that we were involved with on that, I really liked it.
00:30:03.780 So that's why I went to become a combat engineer officer.
00:30:07.240 And to this day at 49 years old, I still don't have a pilot license.
00:30:11.500 That's right.
00:30:11.840 Yeah.
00:30:11.940 You told me, yeah, your, your military background is very interesting.
00:30:15.220 When you told me about that a few days ago, but you mentioned James Topp.
00:30:19.300 James Topp's a very, I think he, I think he's a great person.
00:30:22.980 Oh yeah.
00:30:23.460 I had a chance to meet him a few months ago.
00:30:25.420 Can you tell us a little bit more about James Topp for the people that don't really know
00:30:28.280 who he is?
00:30:28.920 Yeah.
00:30:29.140 So James does have five overseas deployments.
00:30:32.760 He was a young soldier in the Medak pocket in, I think, 1993.
00:30:37.760 And it was the first time since Korea that, or probably Cyprus in the night in 1970, when
00:30:44.480 Canada had been involved in, in combat missions or a combat situation in a built up area was
00:30:52.980 the Medak pocket.
00:30:53.960 And I believe it was Croatia.
00:30:55.200 And that was in 1993 when he was really young in the military.
00:31:00.180 And then he, he did leave the military for a very short time, but within the same year
00:31:05.480 was back in, in the military.
00:31:07.620 And he had done, he, during 9-11, he was, I think, deployed to Macedonia during, uh, during
00:31:14.220 9-11.
00:31:14.860 But then he had done three, no, two combat tours as a sniper in Afghanistan and in a reconnaissance
00:31:22.540 platoon.
00:31:22.960 And, you know, he's, he's an exceptionally smart man and he's got a, he's got a very unique
00:31:31.740 sense of humor.
00:31:32.520 So his brilliance actually doesn't always come out because of his sense of humor.
00:31:36.920 Uh, but I have always suspected that maybe he had a photographic memory too.
00:31:41.020 Well, just to put some context to the images that we're seeing right now, that was when
00:31:44.460 James Topp finished his march in Ottawa.
00:31:46.540 I believe that James Topp went marching from British Columbia to Ottawa to protest, uh,
00:31:51.700 government overreach to protest, how the federal government was acting at the moment
00:31:55.420 to protest COVID-19 mandates, COVID-19 restriction.
00:31:58.860 So he walked the whole way from British Columbia to Ottawa and here we can see him right after
00:32:04.060 he, uh, laid a few things on the tomb of the unknown soldier, uh, being very emotional.
00:32:09.380 I was right next to him at this moment.
00:32:10.580 Um, and I think two days ago, I might be wrong, but I think two days ago, you guys had a meeting
00:32:16.020 and you were there, you guys had a meeting with some MPs in a parliamentary building.
00:32:21.680 Can you tell us more about how that meeting went?
00:32:23.540 I would say, uh, I've got mixed feelings about that meeting with the, uh, federal MPs because
00:32:30.300 first and foremost, no other political party showed up to that meeting.
00:32:35.280 And we did two back-to-back meetings and none of the political parties except the federal
00:32:41.100 conservatives showed up.
00:32:43.180 And Dean Allison was, uh, the one who sponsored it.
00:32:46.920 He's a, I think, Niagara West conservative MP.
00:32:49.700 And, um, you know, he, he was the one who made that happen.
00:32:55.040 And of all of the people in this country who have been protested, protesting COVID-19 mandates
00:33:00.760 and measures since the beginning of this, James is the only person that actually got a meeting
00:33:06.060 with the federal government to discuss some of the issues.
00:33:09.420 And while I was encouraged by what he was saying and, and, you know, various parts of that meeting,
00:33:15.020 I was also really frustrated by the fact that a lot of the MPs walked in, took a photo and
00:33:21.420 then left, uh, it was, you know, a photo op for some of them and for others, it was, it
00:33:27.280 was more serious.
00:33:28.840 And I, and I think, uh, that one of the MPs, and I do think he was from out West.
00:33:33.580 I remember him saying something that, you know, we all had more support inside the conservative
00:33:40.940 party than, than we thought.
00:33:43.120 And I absolutely genuinely believe he was sincere when he said that.
00:33:48.340 But my only question is how did that translate into any actual action for the rest of Canada?
00:33:54.020 Other than they got rid of their leader, uh, Aaron O'Toole at the time, but I don't think
00:33:59.300 they got rid of Aaron O'Toole because of any of us.
00:34:02.600 I just think they got rid of him because he was a, a fundamentally weak leader of their party.
00:34:08.520 Well, yeah, I think though the convoy did have an impact on kicking out Aaron O'Toole.
00:34:13.540 I think if we didn't have the freedom convoy come in Ottawa, and I think in a certain way
00:34:18.720 exposed the weakness that Aaron O'Toole actually was the weak leader that Aaron O'Toole was.
00:34:24.220 Yeah.
00:34:24.440 He flip flopped back and forth.
00:34:25.740 I remember that.
00:34:26.480 Yeah.
00:34:26.680 I think it sped up that timeline that eventually was going to see his removal, but I don't think
00:34:33.080 it was the cause.
00:34:34.040 I think very early after the first convention that they had, the entire party recognized
00:34:38.620 that they were in trouble with Aaron O'Toole as their leader.
00:34:41.060 Yeah.
00:34:41.220 And Aaron O'Toole is a graduate of Royal Military College in Kingston.
00:34:44.900 That's right.
00:34:45.000 And he was a navigator on the Sea King helicopter.
00:34:47.840 He was a pilot.
00:34:48.740 No, he wasn't a pilot.
00:34:49.720 He was a navigator on the, on the Sea King helicopters, um, for nine years.
00:34:54.980 And then he left the military honorably and became a lawyer.
00:34:59.400 And, um, you know, so I certainly would never criticize his service.
00:35:03.280 He served his country and he did it honorably.
00:35:05.520 And it's just that when he got into federal politics and then became the leader, uh, we,
00:35:12.580 we just, we didn't see him really acting like a conservative.
00:35:15.860 And I, I remember watching his speech at the convention and I was like, who put the liberal
00:35:20.900 on stage?
00:35:21.840 That was my first thought.
00:35:23.180 Like that's, that's the liberal platform.
00:35:24.860 What I'm hearing, he was basically like, forget everything.
00:35:27.540 We're going, uh, it's all climate change.
00:35:29.480 Um, and, and, and here's the thing I want to, I really want to emphasize this point that
00:35:57.360 there was almost this, um, this attitude that somehow James was trying to fight for their
00:36:07.500 time.
00:36:08.200 And I don't mean the conservatives, I'm talking about all the other political parties.
00:36:12.500 Well, as far as I'm concerned, James Topp has spent two and a half years of his life in
00:36:16.900 war zones and combat zones, actively engaging in combat and risking his life for this country.
00:36:23.000 It was my expectation that every member of parliament in the federal government would
00:36:27.860 have been tripping over themselves to get in there and shake his hand after everything
00:36:32.220 he's done for this country, not criticize him, not align with people that, that say the
00:36:37.160 rest of us are a bunch of, um, you know, fringe minority misogynist racists.
00:36:42.940 And by not going in meeting with James, that clearly to me was exceptionally disrespectful
00:36:49.680 for everything that he had just accomplished.
00:36:51.620 And whether you agreed with his protest, which was against COVID-19 mandates or not, he served
00:36:57.580 this country very, very well, you know, in five combat zones in his entire career, 27
00:37:04.700 year career.
00:37:06.820 And, you know, that's not about politics.
00:37:10.360 Risking your life is not about politics.
00:37:12.260 Yeah.
00:37:12.600 But then when you object to what the government's doing and you have the balls to walk across
00:37:16.680 this country from Victoria, BC or Vancouver, all the way to Ottawa, 137 days, 4,300 kilometers.
00:37:25.980 Um, I think that that he's more than earned his risk, his right to have a meeting with every
00:37:32.180 single member of parliament in this country.
00:37:34.480 It's extraordinarily telling.
00:37:36.640 And you're right.
00:37:37.440 It is very scary to hear that.
00:37:39.820 What it says to me is that in terms of all the other political parties, Canadian soldiers
00:37:44.480 are just disposable.
00:37:47.540 Yeah.
00:37:48.240 Well, that's, that's a little bit of what the message Justin Trudeau was saying and it
00:37:52.140 was sending the past years and talking about soldiers, talking about people that spent years
00:37:57.080 in a war zone, talking about veterans who aren't properly, uh, you know, helped by the current
00:38:04.200 Trudeau liberal federal government.
00:38:06.540 Um, tomorrow is Remembrance Day, tomorrow is November 11th.
00:38:09.520 So there will be a ceremony in Ottawa and guess who's not attending the ceremony, guys,
00:38:13.980 Justin Trudeau himself, junior.
00:38:16.080 He's not coming to the, he's not coming to Ottawa.
00:38:19.160 He's busy right now in Cambodia overseas.
00:38:22.360 So tomorrow there will be a memorial for all the veterans, for the soldiers that gave their
00:38:26.800 life to this country that died on a war zone to defend our rights and to defend our civil
00:38:32.360 liberties.
00:38:32.920 And our own prime minister isn't even willing to come and assist and be there at the ceremony,
00:38:39.520 not even help, just be there in person to pay his respect.
00:38:42.760 What does that say to you?
00:38:44.840 Well, there's about five different directions I can go in that one.
00:38:48.120 But, uh, before I, I start to talk about that big issue, let's talk a little bit about climate
00:38:53.700 change for a minute, because it's not just on an overseas trip, burning up all that fossil
00:38:58.320 fuel from his plane from Alberta and now perhaps, perhaps, I don't know, just call me crazy.
00:39:05.260 Maybe he should consider attending that summit on a zoom call. 0.97
00:39:08.420 Like the rest of Canadians have been doing for two and a half years. 0.98
00:39:10.980 Yeah.
00:39:11.200 I don't understand why he's going to go to Cambodia other than the fact that I believe, 0.99
00:39:16.800 um, I, I think his presence at the national war memorial this year in particular, after
00:39:22.680 he, uh, declared the emergency act against citizens of his own country, perhaps it's not,
00:39:30.260 uh, a bad idea that he doesn't attend that particular place in the nation's capital.
00:39:35.840 And, you know, I will be there and, uh, I'm not going there because of Justin Trudeau.
00:39:41.880 I'm going there because I'm in Ottawa for this commission.
00:39:44.720 And that is the, um, the Cenotaph, the national war memorial.
00:39:49.940 There's, it's, it's the premier war memorial in this country.
00:39:54.420 And because I'm in the nation's capital, I'm going there.
00:39:57.040 I'm going for the veterans.
00:39:58.820 I'm not going there because I want to disrupt or, you know, stare at Justin Trudeau from across
00:40:03.460 the yard.
00:40:03.920 That's not the whole point, but I think that in, in typical bad taste, bad judgment on his
00:40:10.800 side, I mean, this is almost like, um, you know, peace and the reconciliation where he'd
00:40:17.400 rather be surfing than a year within the same year he's declared the emergency act against
00:40:22.880 his own citizens, against the veterans that were actually beaten on the steps of that.
00:40:27.200 And we, we saw that testimony on Friday.
00:40:29.820 That was crazy.
00:40:30.380 Yeah.
00:40:30.980 So, so maybe he just is, is feeling too ashamed to come to that location and to do that ceremony,
00:40:36.740 but he is an outright narcissist. 0.61
00:40:38.460 So I don't think he'd probably have a personal problem with it.
00:40:41.900 Yeah, no, honestly, um, his views are very un-Canadian to begin with.
00:40:46.800 Um, you can see that from the invocation of the emergencies act, as well as the last two,
00:40:52.280 the last two and a half years of these draconian and unscientific COVID mandates and restrictions.
00:40:57.780 Um, and then to go as far as to pit Canadians against one another and create more of a divide
00:41:04.100 for, uh, some who chose to keep their medical information concealed.
00:41:08.200 Some that didn't feel comfortable putting, uh, a certain something in their body, um, for obvious
00:41:14.060 reasons, but, um, no one would want them there.
00:41:17.380 I don't think that Canada is missing out on anything.
00:41:19.600 And that's a crying shame to have the prime minister of a, of a country, not attend something
00:41:26.740 that is for the veterans, but we see the way that he treats the veterans.
00:41:30.100 We see that he would rather actually fund, um, assisted suicide instead of help and prevent
00:41:36.600 or help provide food, um, housing and other supplies to veterans in need, because that's
00:41:43.480 what's more important to him is that that just goes to show you that he would rather actually
00:41:47.620 people literally kill themselves than, than help them in any way, shape or form.
00:41:52.740 So they're asking for too much.
00:41:54.620 That's what he said.
00:41:55.500 That's what he said.
00:41:56.080 That's right.
00:41:56.520 That's what he said.
00:41:57.120 They're asking for too much.
00:41:57.840 No, I think Justin Trudeau in his whole time as a prime minister, which I truly hope ends
00:42:02.320 soon and in the next four years, he's made it clear that Justin Trudeau himself does not
00:42:08.300 care about Canadians.
00:42:10.780 Canada's veterans affairs offers assisted suicide to a veteran with PTSD.
00:42:15.280 How absolutely idiotic is that?
00:42:17.340 It's despicable.
00:42:18.560 It's disgusting and it's unacceptable and it's un-Canadian. 1.00
00:42:21.660 He's encouraging people to commit suicide.
00:42:24.580 So yeah, I think Justin Trudeau has shown in during his time as a prime minister, that
00:42:28.560 he couldn't care less about our veterans.
00:42:31.820 He couldn't care less about the people that died to serve our country because we saw him
00:42:36.660 trample their own civil liberties during the freedom convoy.
00:42:39.940 We saw him say outright that the veterans are asking too much, that people who were ready
00:42:46.340 to be killed for the well-being of our citizens are asking for too much when they're going back
00:42:51.280 to their country of origin.
00:42:52.920 And we saw him offer assisted suicide to veterans with PTSD.
00:42:58.400 He's a despicable prime minister.
00:43:00.380 Tom, we don't have you on for a long time.
00:43:02.800 We almost need to go just before you leave.
00:43:06.420 Can you talk a little bit?
00:43:07.560 Can you talk to us a little bit about your book that you're writing?
00:43:11.040 Yeah, I didn't even know what the word cathartic meant.
00:43:17.440 I had heard it before, but I had to look it up because every time I mentioned the book,
00:43:20.900 people say it's very cathartic because I am writing the book myself.
00:43:25.260 I did consider getting a ghostwriter, but I decided, no, I need to tell it from my perspective
00:43:30.180 where I want to go with it.
00:43:31.720 And being at the commission has been very good because I get to get a refresher because
00:43:37.840 we were so busy and we're so fuzzy on the timelines.
00:43:41.600 It wasn't about getting up in the morning and looking at the calendar.
00:43:44.800 It was about getting up and getting things done during the day.
00:43:48.580 So being at the commission has really helped refresh my memory.
00:43:52.820 And I had the same conversation with Eva yesterday.
00:43:55.960 And, you know, I was writing today.
00:43:58.240 I was sitting in the audience and listening and I was doing some writing.
00:44:01.720 And from, you know, what I was hearing today and, you know, I still, I believe I can meet
00:44:08.380 that deadline.
00:44:09.040 I want it for the 14th of February, which is the one year anniversary of the emergency
00:44:13.820 act.
00:44:15.020 And a friend of mine who was actually in Windsor, he, we were talking one day and he said to
00:44:22.340 me, you know, the convoy, all this stuff was the people's emergency act.
00:44:26.040 And so that's where I got the name for the book, because that's exactly what the convoy
00:44:31.060 was, was the people's desperation.
00:44:33.660 It was their emergency so much that they decided to come here.
00:44:37.740 So that's what the name of the book is, the people's emergency act.
00:44:41.800 And I was writing about meeting Chris Barber today, which was, which was really nice.
00:44:47.140 He's such a great guy.
00:44:48.040 Well, keep that date in mind, guys, February 14th, 2023, Valentine's Day and the day that
00:44:54.340 our national drama teacher invoked the emergency act on peaceful Canadians who are here to
00:45:00.540 protest this mandate.
00:45:01.660 Definitely looking forward to reading your book, Tom.
00:45:03.880 Well, thanks for coming on again.
00:45:05.020 Thank you for your service in the, in the military.
00:45:08.100 And I look forward to seeing you tomorrow at the, at the ceremony.
00:45:11.840 Well, just really quickly, actually, before we go on break again, I just wanted to point
00:45:15.280 out that I've heard that there's some other people that will also be writing books and
00:45:19.080 providing their testimonies, but I think it's a really beautiful thing because it's, it's
00:45:23.820 within the hands of the people, I believe to rewrite what that date means in Canadian history.
00:45:28.520 So yeah, yes, of course.
00:45:30.780 All right.
00:45:31.480 Let's take a quick break.
00:45:32.280 And when we'll be back, we will continue talking a little bit more about a few things
00:45:36.760 that are relevant today.
00:45:37.880 Just a few things.
00:45:39.240 Take a quick break.
00:45:43.000 Freedom in 2022 is your right to disagree with me anytime on anything in your heart,
00:45:48.240 online or in the public square.
00:45:50.260 Freedom in 2022 is also your right to live your life however you see fit without hurting
00:45:54.360 me or for that matter, being bothered by me.
00:45:56.840 But freedom in 2022 is in very real danger under constant attack by Justin Trudeau.
00:46:02.280 Through his censorship bills, his attacks on gun rights, his attacks on farmers and his
00:46:06.760 attacks on peaceful protesters.
00:46:08.600 These people have even tried to denormalize our flag.
00:46:11.320 At Rebel News, we're not afraid to have dangerous discussions that Justin Trudeau, the media and
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00:46:19.400 And we want to have them with you at our upcoming Rebel Live events.
00:46:23.040 His first in Toronto, November 19th, and again in Calgary, Saturday, November 26th.
00:46:28.320 I'll be there with dozens of other Rebels and Rebel-adjacent freethinkers, and I hope that
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00:46:37.540 But do not sleep on this, because these tickets are going fast.
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00:46:53.420 That's where you need to go to get your tickets if you want to have the chance to meet Tamera
00:47:06.560 have the chance to meet Tamara Leash, Andrew Lawson, and a lot of other interesting speakers.
00:47:14.000 So right now we have on Sidney Fissard from Alberta. Sidney, how are you doing?
00:47:18.260 I'm doing all right. How was the day for you guys?
00:47:20.180 Everything's perfect. It's a long day.
00:47:22.660 Alberta, and I keep saying that name, Alberta. Alberta is a great province.
00:47:26.560 Alberta is a fantastic province. Alberta is a province where there is a growing sovereign movement.
00:47:33.560 The people want Alberta's sovereignty. And while it's well, they're ungovernable and ungovernable.
00:47:40.960 That's a great segue to a documentary that was made by our good friend Kian Simone from Alberta.
00:47:48.720 Have you seen the documentary?
00:47:50.000 I have. I can definitely speak on this. I've seen it a few times because I have also helped out and attended at these events.
00:47:56.700 You can see this at, it is albertadocumentary.com.
00:48:02.260 I'm sorry, we got a few of those amazing documentaries made by Rebels Only, Kian Simone.
00:48:06.480 So go there. It gives you an in-depth history of Alberta, how the federal government, the overhanging reach of the federal government,
00:48:15.100 has impacted Alberta's rich oil history. So go check that out there at albertadocumentary.com.
00:48:22.660 It also shows how funny-suck-wearing, drag queen lover, blackface, what's the other one I always have? 1.00
00:48:31.800 National drama teacher, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau treats Albertans nowadays and why the sovereignty movement is growing so much.
00:48:40.500 You know, I'm from Quebec. I never really had a lot of loving feelings about Alberta when I was young.
00:48:45.320 We're always told, you know, the West is mad. Conservatives always favor the West.
00:48:49.560 Conservatives don't care about Quebec. Only the liberals care about Quebec. You should hate the West.
00:48:54.100 And then I watched this documentary and I learned so many things.
00:48:57.460 And I think I said it once. So thank you, Kian, for making that documentary.
00:49:01.260 Definitely go check it out at albertadocumentary.com. It is called Ungovernable.
00:49:05.560 Ungovernable. All right. Let's take a look at clip number six from the Emergencies Act Inquiry.
00:49:13.820 Let's take a look at what the witness had said.
00:49:18.100 ...comment was certainly not aligned with the comment that Deputy Minister Stewart made previous,
00:49:23.940 where he was suggesting that the federal government did have a role in particular with regards to finding interlocutors.
00:49:30.560 So from my perspective, this question was all about, from my perception, the federal government wanting to wash its hands of this entire thing.
00:49:44.700 I didn't think that was appropriate at all.
00:49:47.060 I thought that the federal government did have a role.
00:49:49.000 At the end of the day, these protesters were in Ottawa to protest, mainly the imposition of a vaccine mandate on January 15 on international truckers.
00:50:02.360 They were on Parliament's doorstep.
00:50:04.460 They were in the National Capital Region.
00:50:06.860 The federal government, Public Safety Canada, does have a memorandum of understanding with Ottawa Police Service
00:50:13.520 with regards to the provision of policing resources in and around Capitol Hill.
00:50:18.380 The OPP is not a signatory to that MOU.
00:50:21.980 So from my perspective, the federal government did have a role to play, just like Ontario had a role to play in the provision of resources.
00:50:30.780 And so I made that known to Jody Thomas.
00:50:36.860 I felt that some of the options that were available to the federal government included the possibility of meeting with and listening to the protesters,
00:50:47.220 the possibility of amending their vaccine mandate,
00:50:52.340 the possibility of providing additional resources to the Ottawa Police Service.
00:51:00.380 So there was a range of options available to the federal government.
00:51:05.520 And it was my position that the federal government certainly had a role to play in this.
00:51:10.780 This witness had some interesting things to say during his testimony today.
00:51:14.140 Can you give us a quick rundown of what was your main takeaway from his testimony?
00:51:18.700 I know it took a while and I think Brendan Miller cross-examined him while we were doing the live stream
00:51:25.400 or too late for us to actually clip something.
00:51:27.620 So what did you think of him?
00:51:30.740 His testimony was exceptionally long, just like I addressed in the beginning of this live stream.
00:51:35.500 There was so much to go over.
00:51:37.000 But as you can see, that's very important.
00:51:38.780 So there were attempts made and denied, again, one more time,
00:51:43.540 in regards to actually connecting with protesters to resolve, to hear them out and to actually address what was going on.
00:51:50.780 And to have that blocked shows me, I think it shows potentially majority, if not all people,
00:51:58.740 that despite some people making the effort to have that denied, there was no intent to resolve anything.
00:52:05.020 It seems to me like they only desire to invoke the Emergencies Act because if you're not working with somebody,
00:52:12.780 again, how you do one thing is how you do all things.
00:52:15.500 I think you were the first one to say it a few live streams ago.
00:52:17.880 History repeats itself.
00:52:19.220 Yes, very much so.
00:52:20.800 He keeps saying the same thing every single day because it seems like federal government wanted to invoke the EA
00:52:25.820 instead of actually negotiating with protesters.
00:52:28.740 What about you, Sydney?
00:52:29.860 What do they say about history?
00:52:31.700 It doesn't repeat, it rhymes.
00:52:32.900 So, you know, now the Emergencies Act, but formally, how would you address it?
00:52:37.660 I know you know the answer.
00:52:39.020 War measures.
00:52:39.840 Exactly, right?
00:52:40.740 So it's, in many ways, it is a repetition just for the new flavor.
00:52:45.980 Like that.
00:52:46.980 And also, I'm not sure if we've got the clip.
00:52:50.600 It was really, really small and it's just a really short addition to just build on top of this.
00:52:56.120 Despite these things and despite the fact that that came out through Mr. Di Tommaso's testimony,
00:53:01.120 he also did say that Doug Ford, Premier of Ontario, did plan on invoking the emergency act,
00:53:08.400 or a state of emergency in Ontario, pardon me.
00:53:12.400 And Di Tommaso said that he would actually support doing that and was going to suggest it
00:53:17.800 had the Premier not already beat him to it.
00:53:20.200 So, just for, you know, salt and wound, just a little addition.
00:53:25.100 Yeah, and another familiar name that came out today at the Inquirer was the name of Archer Pavlovsky,
00:53:29.200 the pastor that was arrested multiple times.
00:53:33.240 Clip number five, we saw his name being mentioned by the, at the commission in regards to the coups.
00:53:39.420 Look, it was a very odd clip.
00:53:41.480 Let's take a look, first of all, the clip, and then we can discuss it a little bit further.
00:53:45.260 Here we see an indication from him on February 4th that an Archer Pavlovsky had showed up
00:53:55.080 and fired everyone up at the coups' protest site to convince them to stay.
00:53:59.700 Are you aware of that?
00:54:00.640 Yeah, I actually am aware of that event, yes.
00:54:04.420 From the RCMP's reporting, not from this conversation.
00:54:08.260 Could we go to pb.can.401835?
00:54:12.280 That's the multimedia file that we had yesterday.
00:54:14.320 And I'm going to ask to play this from the 207 mark until 4.18.
00:54:22.000 Thousands upon thousands of people are coming.
00:54:26.980 They don't have enough RCMP officers to deal with that.
00:54:30.320 They don't have enough army to deal with that.
00:54:33.040 Remember, you have the power now.
00:54:35.960 Do not give it away just because it feels right.
00:54:40.040 And yes, some of you might be arrested.
00:54:42.560 Yes, some of you might pay the price.
00:54:45.000 I'm not going to kid you that it's pleasant and beautiful on concrete in jail facing the biggest guns in the country.
00:54:55.380 It's not.
00:54:55.900 They don't treat us well over there, especially when you're a pastor.
00:55:00.880 Three days on concrete and two nights.
00:55:03.960 Every half hour, they banked on my door.
00:55:06.420 They did not allow me to sleep for three days and two nights.
00:55:10.000 They wrapped me up.
00:55:11.280 They stripped naked me.
00:55:12.380 They put chain on my leg.
00:55:13.680 And yet, I'm still here with you.
00:55:15.820 Yes.
00:55:18.640 Those people don't play fair.
00:55:21.820 They're coming here with their badges and they're telling you that they represent the law.
00:55:26.280 No, they're representing lawlessness.
00:55:31.680 They are gangsters for the biggest mafia that there is.
00:55:35.300 Kenny's mafia.
00:55:36.180 And it's up to you now, for the first time in two years, to rise up, to stand up, and to hold the fort.
00:55:46.040 And if this is our Alamo, so be it.
00:55:51.380 And if you don't want to be here, no one is stopping you.
00:55:55.760 You can take your car or your truck and you can go.
00:56:00.400 There is a huge rally in Calgary.
00:56:02.340 There is a huge rally in Edmonton.
00:56:04.580 And you can join them.
00:56:06.220 No one will think of you as a coward.
00:56:08.960 Everyone has to face the giants of the lungs.
00:56:12.960 But I'm telling you, there is this huge opportunity right now that we have been given.
00:56:20.680 God has given us this moment in history.
00:56:26.240 Why?
00:56:26.900 Because international media are watching you right now.
00:56:30.120 That's power.
00:56:31.080 It's not yet.
00:56:32.580 During 1980.
00:56:33.780 Thank you.
00:56:37.060 Have you seen that speech before by Archer Pulaski?
00:56:42.300 No, I haven't, actually.
00:56:43.520 Thank you.
00:56:44.820 You hear that he is singling out Premier Kenney as the source of the problem?
00:56:50.320 And I believe he referred to Kenney's mafia?
00:56:53.060 Yes, that's what I heard, yes.
00:56:54.180 And he said, this is our Alamo, referring, I take it to the standoff at the Alamo in Texas?
00:57:02.160 That's, I assume, the reference.
00:57:04.360 And he points to the international attention that has been gathered and says, that's power, right?
00:57:08.920 That's correct.
00:57:09.340 I think it was a bit emotional.
00:57:17.000 I think some of his points were pretty hard.
00:57:20.240 You know, when he spoke about his experience as a pastor that was jailed, the treatment he felt in a prison.
00:57:26.280 And I think Omar Khadr was treated better than this.
00:57:29.500 And Omar Khadr is a terrorist who received millions of dollars by the federal government.
00:57:33.680 But hearing him recall his experience as a pastor that was put in jail for protesting the government, for protesting Jason Kenney's quote-unquote mafia, you know, it's sad.
00:57:47.180 Well, and you know, a little bit of a background on Pastor Archer Pulaski.
00:57:50.440 If you're unfamiliar with his story, you can go to savearcher.com and you can check that out.
00:57:54.940 But just a brief summary of that is, he is a pastor who defied the COVID-19 lockdown and restrictions in order to keep his church open, continue feeding the homeless.
00:58:05.580 And he was arrested and charged multiple times for doing these things, just because he had a different opinion than the federal and provincial government at that time.
00:58:15.260 I just want to break that down a little bit more as well.
00:58:17.700 So they're term phrasing, in sight to stay.
00:58:21.340 Now, that's very suggestive of Archer Pulaski having some innate sense of control over this group of individuals, which is absolutely ridiculous.
00:58:30.380 How does one control such a large group of people that have gone there of their own volition, just because they're all moving towards the same goal behind some of the same ideologies, not all.
00:58:42.000 And then also, I want to touch on the fact that after this sermon was given, and again, pastors preach, he gave the sermons.
00:58:52.320 He was arrested and he spent 51 days in jail for this.
00:58:57.860 I can't imagine the way that we treat our pastors here in Canada.
00:59:01.660 And he is not an isolated case.
00:59:04.300 We have other pastors as well.
00:59:06.960 Yeah, that's just my two cents on it.
00:59:08.780 Well, it's just in Trudeau's Canada.
00:59:09.940 So that's what it is.
00:59:12.100 Sydney, I think that you are, you got a chance to meet Pastor Archer Pulaski.
00:59:15.460 What did you make of this?
00:59:16.700 Certainly a few times.
00:59:17.800 Well, in the sense of him being somebody who incited them to stay while we already heard previously, that all of the demonstrators that were in Coots, they decided before he made his service.
00:59:28.060 This was not a factor.
00:59:30.300 And I talked to them afterward about Archer Pulaski's arrest while I was in Coots.
00:59:35.820 And they were like, well, why?
00:59:37.400 He literally had nothing to do with it.
00:59:39.640 The government was kind of selecting him as the designated head or the leader just so that they could have the individual key representative like they were seeking for seemingly the whole time.
00:59:50.780 And, you know, they talk about how there was a multitude of leaders, organizations, groups, factions, individuals who all had a multitude of mixed motivations.
01:00:01.240 And they were attempting to communicate at various different times with enforcement.
01:00:06.760 All the time, it was kind of different.
01:00:09.280 So it's very shocking to find out that he would be put away behind bars for such actions when it was such a decentralized movement.
01:00:18.760 And he even said there was the PSIO, I'm not going to remember the abbreviation, but it was an intelligence assessment that's alluded to the fact that early on, on February 1st, at least, there was no apparent centralized leader.
01:00:31.840 There was no communication between Coots and the Freedom Convoy, but they were inspired and in support of the Freedom Convoy.
01:00:37.060 And much like we saw decentralized action across the province, we saw decentralized action across the country in relation to the Freedom Convoy.
01:00:46.260 Any real allegations of a leader, it's like a quest for Tyler Durden, right?
01:00:51.480 This, you know, phantom figure who's going around, you know, creating this entire organization of people that are going to take over the government and create anarchy for everything, right?
01:01:01.180 That's who they're looking for.
01:01:02.600 They're looking for Tyler Durden, I think.
01:01:04.940 Maybe that's, I don't know, you can talk to me about how fair of an analysis that might be.
01:01:09.420 Well, I think to a certain extent it is true.
01:01:11.440 I think there was no leader.
01:01:12.680 And I think, yeah, I think some people are trying to look for a leader.
01:01:15.280 The government of Canada, the Ottawa Coalition, Paul Champ, little group there.
01:01:20.400 They are trying to look for, there is indeed no leader.
01:01:24.560 All right, we're already past 7, 7 p.m.
01:01:27.280 Thank you so much to everyone for tuning in today.
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01:01:34.060 I think it'll be a well-deserved break tomorrow for the ceremony for Remembrance Day on November 11.
01:01:41.740 To remember all the veterans that gave their lives to their country, to everyone that's served in the Army to make sure that we would stay free in Canada.
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01:02:45.200 And to everyone, happy good evening.
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01:02:54.720 We've got provincial governments that have stripped away fundamental human and civil liberties in Canada.
01:03:00.860 And we've got a federal government that is censoring and controlling the media and even cracking down on the right to protest in ways that are unprecedented in the post-war era.
01:03:14.220 It's a fascinating but terrifying time if you're concerned about freedom, concerned about your basic liberties right now.
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