Rebel News Podcast - BREAKDOWN： Trucker Commission Day 22 ｜ Ft. Tom Marazzo & Keith Wilson

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00:00:32.240 This is Monday, November 14th here at the Ottawa Rebel News headquarters.

00:00:38.220 We're having some fun prior to starting.

00:00:40.320 I am joined by right here by Celine Gallas, a fellow Rebel News colleague.

00:00:44.820 That's her when we meet the co-host of the live stream.

00:00:46.320 Celine, how are you doing?

00:00:47.140 I'm doing very good. Today was very exciting.

00:00:49.680 We're very happy to break this down for you.

00:00:52.060 Yeah, lots of breaking ground stuff today.

00:00:53.940 Yeah, definitely an exciting day. It was so, so great to follow.

00:00:56.920 We heard from the LRB, the CSIS, LRB, which is Liberal Research Bureau.

00:01:01.280 Anyway, such a great day. Definitely stay tuned for that to see everything that went on today.

00:01:05.700 And I am here to my left with Tom Rato.

00:01:07.780 Tom, emergency – no, not emergency.

00:01:11.340 It's like Freedom Convoy intern slash key figure.

00:01:15.200 Tom, how are you doing?

00:01:16.100 You forgot off-grid. I live off-grid.

00:01:18.120 That's right. Off-grid.

00:01:18.940 Yes.

00:01:19.420 How are you doing, Tom?

00:01:20.140 I'm good.

00:01:20.540 I'm good.

00:01:21.280 I'm good.

00:01:21.460 So just for people that haven't followed us in the past few weeks, if you haven't, make sure to go back and check all of our episodes.

00:01:27.700 Tom, who are you?

00:01:29.560 Oh, boy.

00:01:30.700 You know what?

00:01:31.200 I'm not going to answer that question because I've done about 50 or 60 interviews in the last few months, and I think I answered that.

00:01:38.360 I don't know how many times.

00:01:39.240 And I guess at the end of the day, if your viewers don't know who I am by now, I probably shouldn't be on your show.

00:01:44.400 Because you've been my opening act for like three weeks now.

00:01:47.760 So this is true.

00:01:49.380 This is true.

00:01:50.040 Let's try to do our best presentation of Tom Morazzo.

00:01:52.560 I told him I have to present the people that come on the live stream.

00:01:55.220 So Tom Morazzo, if you go on LinkedIn, it's written that he's an intern with Freedom Convoy 2022.

00:02:01.760 He was one of the spokesperson of Freedom Convoy.

00:02:03.920 He had some talks with the Ottawa police, with some people, some officials in the police.

00:02:08.820 He was there basically with Tamara Leash, Chris Barber, Danny Bulford, and other key figures of the Freedom Convoy throughout his duration when he was here in Ottawa.

00:02:18.260 Is this accurate?

00:02:18.720 That's perfect.

00:02:19.520 Perfect.

00:02:19.960 All right.

00:02:20.160 And also, as you can see, Tom is dressed pretty well.

00:02:23.300 I'm also dressed well.

00:02:24.100 So if you want to comment down below in the chat, who is dressed better between me and Tom Morazzo?

00:02:28.800 That's the reason why we're both wearing a full suit and a tie.

00:02:32.360 So if you want to make this, you know, if you want to let us know who is dressed better between me and Tom Morazzo, you can always put it on in the chat down below.

00:02:39.460 So, all right.

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00:03:43.960 All right, let's get back to today.

00:03:45.600 So today, who did we see at the commission?

00:03:48.240 So we had two testimonies.

00:03:50.080 It was kind of like a panel.

00:03:51.220 They were both giving their testimonies at the same time.

00:03:53.760 So we had Rob Stewart, appointed deputy minister for public safety in Canada.

00:03:59.300 And then we also have Dominic Rashan.

00:04:02.760 I'm saying this incorrectly.

00:04:04.520 Anyways, he's the senior assistant deputy minister for the National Cybersecurity Branch

00:04:09.800 of the Public Safety, for Public Safety in Canada.

00:04:13.140 Yeah.

00:04:13.360 So their testimonies were very, very interesting.

00:04:17.220 Again, just like to point out right at the back, they did all, both of them agreed that

00:04:21.640 the Emergencies Act was helpful in some ways, but not necessary as we've heard.

00:04:26.360 So now that that's out of the way, what we can, yeah, here we go.

00:04:29.600 We can throw to this clip right away then.

00:04:31.320 Yeah, I'll take a look at some of what they had said.

00:04:33.000 Yeah.

00:04:35.080 Okay, well, we can actually take a look.

00:04:37.180 Well, just to begin the live stream, take a look at clip number one, where an official

00:04:41.020 from Public Safety Canada testified to commission that the intel that he had led him to believe

00:04:46.880 that the film convoy would be a peaceful protest straight from the get-go.

00:04:50.200 So let's take a look at that.

00:04:51.660 The expectation that I had was that the convoy would park and stay for the weekend and leave

00:04:58.460 on the Sunday.

00:04:59.940 Okay.

00:05:01.300 Mr. Roshan, is that your expectation?

00:05:04.220 As far as the Ottawa situation was, yes.

00:05:06.320 And we were also watching to see whether other protests that were bubbling across the country

00:05:11.820 would also, but the expectation was they would all be peaceful and they would last for that

00:05:15.460 weekend.

00:05:15.700 And, you know, transport obviously had some concerns with regard to various protests happening

00:05:23.660 and how it might affect the flow of traffic, how it might affect supply chain issues from

00:05:29.620 a transport perspective.

00:05:31.380 Canada Border Services Agency, I think, started to ask questions about particular ports of entry.

00:05:39.880 And so from a critical infrastructure perspective, and this is really why Gawk was involved, is

00:05:46.740 to make sure that we were mindful that there could be impacts to critical infrastructure.

00:05:50.980 And as a result, we were being watchful.

00:05:55.720 Hmm.

00:05:56.840 You know, we heard a lot from these two people throughout the day.

00:05:59.320 I think, you know, as much as we get credit to the testimony, I think we should give as much

00:06:04.000 credit to Brendan Miller and Rob Kitteridge.

00:06:07.120 Brendan Miller from Foster LLP, who's representing Freedom Corp, and Rob Kitteridge from the Justice

00:06:15.140 Center for Constitutional Freedom for their excellent cross-examination.

00:06:20.040 Oh, yeah.

00:06:20.240 So what was your main takeaway from those two's testimony?

00:06:23.700 Like in the clip that we just saw?

00:06:25.040 Well, the clip or just overall, yeah.

00:06:27.020 It was great.

00:06:27.980 I mean, it confirms what we already knew, but now 100% since this week has started and,

00:06:33.320 you know, we've had so many testimonies that we've seen over the course of, it's been

00:06:36.800 like, what, about three weeks that this has been going on?

00:06:38.860 It's been four weeks.

00:06:39.200 There you go.

00:06:40.080 Four weeks.

00:06:40.880 Like, that's a lot of people that have testified.

00:06:42.920 So we're kind of, we're moving over closer towards like the very, very end.

00:06:47.420 So for sure, I mean, we can still speculate on it, but I think 100% now.

00:06:52.220 This points to that it was the Liberal ministers and it was Justin Trudeau that invoked the

00:06:58.680 Emergencies Act, despite the fact that they had pretty much every single intelligence source

00:07:03.840 and agency in Canada telling them that they should be doing the exact opposite, showing

00:07:08.380 them different ways, negotiation methods, anything that would not actually cause panic,

00:07:16.560 right?

00:07:16.740 Like, I think it's pretty simple.

00:07:19.380 I think it was, it's common sense, but they chose to do it anyway.

00:07:22.260 So I'd like to know why, you know, that, that, that hot potato has now been thrown in that

00:07:26.280 direction.

00:07:26.900 We've gotten two more people out of the way.

00:07:28.660 So it's just this process of elimination was so tedious at first.

00:07:32.920 And now I'm looking so forward to hearing the ministers testify.

00:07:36.060 It'll definitely be interesting.

00:07:37.280 And I think, you know, I always find it interesting how the lawyer for Peter slowly, counsel for

00:07:41.740 Peter slowly brought up the fact that as a police officer, as a police service, your first

00:07:47.280 method to handle a protest is negotiation and de-escalation.

00:07:52.380 And we keep hearing that all levels of government were refusing to meet with the protester, were

00:07:59.060 refusing to literally even negotiate here, their concerns, here are the concerns of thousands

00:08:03.820 of Canadians who were fed up with the COVID-19 mandates and that travel to Ottawa to make

00:08:08.840 their disagreement known.

00:08:10.580 Tom, what'd you think?

00:08:11.740 So when I watch Brendan's cross-examination for Miller time, of course, that's always

00:08:17.980 the best part of the, the entire event, but I have to say maybe, I don't know, cause I

00:08:24.820 think Brendan's family was in town this weekend.

00:08:27.400 So we got to see a much better, brighter, pumped up version of Brendan, but I have to say

00:08:33.280 of all of the, the cross-examinations that he's done today, I think was a new level of

00:08:39.940 Brendan Miller, uh, the way he had framed his questions.

00:08:44.700 Like he started to, uh, question the two officials on what they believed was suspicion.

00:08:51.140 Uh, and there was another legal term that he used it and they were very unclear about what

00:08:56.560 that, that actual, those definitions were, uh, you know, suspicion where you can take actual

00:09:02.060 law enforcement action.

00:09:03.300 And, and they said they, they were kind of confused by it, but then as he, he went on

00:09:09.440 more, he was talking about, um, you know, he was leading them down this path and he, you

00:09:16.740 could see that he was setting the trap.

00:09:18.400 Cause I've noticed that Brendan likes to set these traps and he sent it, setting these

00:09:22.380 traps.

00:09:23.760 And just when you thought he was going to do it, he's like, you, you agree with this.

00:09:27.660 You agree with that.

00:09:28.440 You agree with that.

00:09:29.240 And then he said, okay, so you agree that it wasn't, you know, necessary.

00:09:33.020 And then he said, no, I don't agree.

00:09:35.040 It's like, you want your cake, but you're not, you know, like, what's the saying you want

00:09:39.440 your cake and eat it too.

00:09:40.940 Um, it was really frustrating to listen to that witness towards the end, because basically what

00:09:45.680 he was saying is like, okay, CSIS didn't want it.

00:09:48.760 We've known that the RCMP didn't, didn't want it.

00:09:51.540 Even under section 12 of the CSIS act, it didn't fit the parameters, didn't fit the parameters

00:09:56.680 for section two.

00:09:58.200 So you had nothing.

00:09:59.860 Yeah.

00:10:00.320 But then at the end, he says, well, didn't, don't you agree that, um, the government never

00:10:06.640 met the threshold?

00:10:07.340 So who were they listening to it?

00:10:08.660 And they said, no cabinet wanted it.

00:10:10.640 So then Brendan says, to your knowledge is Justin Trudeau trained in law enforcement.

00:10:15.680 or intelligence.

00:10:17.200 And he said, well, I don't speak to that.

00:10:19.020 And Brendan said, I can tell you, he's not, he was a drama teacher, right?

00:10:23.540 Well, you know, when you look at, uh, at the CSIS act, you know, a threat to the security

00:10:27.760 of Canada, it means espionage or sabotage.

00:10:30.880 It means foreign influence activities within or relating to Canada that are detrimental

00:10:35.300 to the interests of Canada and are clandestine or deceptive or involve a threat to any person

00:10:40.840 see activities within or related to Canada direct directed towards or in support of the

00:10:46.400 threat or use of acts of serious violence against persons or property for the purpose

00:10:51.300 of achieving a political, religious, or ideological objective within Canada or a foreign state.

00:10:55.800 And finally, activities directed towards undermining by coverage, unlawful acts or directed towards

00:11:02.220 or intended ultimately to lead to destruction of property and such.

00:11:07.060 So I don't think that the Freedom Convoy met that threshold.

00:11:10.680 And I think that that is what we're seeing through evidence that is brought up by, uh,

00:11:15.980 by Brendan Miller, that is brought up by counsel for the GCCF, counsel for the Democracy Fund,

00:11:21.820 other pro-freedom counsel.

00:11:24.580 We're not seeing that this, that these threshold were met.

00:11:28.060 Well, you know, when we, we heard very early when the two witnesses got there, there was

00:11:32.060 the difference between groups in the government that consume intelligence and then the other

00:11:37.160 groups that produce the intelligence.

00:11:39.700 And, and you have to be careful of who is producing and who is consuming it.

00:11:43.760 Yeah.

00:11:44.480 And my impression was that there was a group that was producing intelligence, but the group

00:11:50.600 that was actually consuming it was ignoring it.

00:11:53.320 And I think that's just clearly because they didn't like the answer.

00:11:56.400 They didn't like that the, uh, um, the leader of the CSIS, uh, I can't remember his title

00:12:03.540 or his name.

00:12:04.100 I remember reading it.

00:12:05.640 Vigneault, I think is his name.

00:12:07.100 Yeah.

00:12:07.700 Uh, basically recommended, we, we heard this testimony last week and then we got a review

00:12:12.340 of it again, that he was saying, if you go ahead and do this, what you're going to end

00:12:17.600 up doing is getting the negative or the opposite reaction of what you want, which is now you're

00:12:22.620 going to inspire an IMVE, uh, an ideologically motivated, violent extremism, right?

00:12:31.040 You're going to actually inspire that.

00:12:32.620 And then you're going to possibly make the lone wolf scenario, something to, to start to

00:12:38.060 have to consider.

00:12:39.480 And so when you heard that, that recommendation and then you're, he, Brendan brought it back

00:12:45.060 to them and said, Hey, what about this?

00:12:47.580 And it's like, they, they're agreeing, they're agreeing and they're agreeing.

00:12:50.580 And then you get to the one yard line and they're kind of like, no, I don't agree.

00:12:54.900 Yeah.

00:12:55.160 So you just contradicted everything that you just walked through with Brendan.

00:12:58.540 Yeah.

00:12:58.660 Well, that's why it always is contradictions.

00:13:00.260 All right.

00:13:00.420 Well, thanks for that deep analysis, lawyer, lawyer, Muratso, King's counsel, Tom Muratso.

00:13:05.660 So, all right, let's take a look at clip, clip number seven, where, well, we've been talking

00:13:09.900 about Miller time, Brendan Miller cross-examining, um, Rob Stewart.

00:13:14.900 Let's take a look at how that went.

00:13:23.080 Bureau or agency or law enforcement agency told the government, here's the evidence of reasonable

00:13:31.960 and probable grounds or reasonable grounds of a section two CSIS act threat.

00:13:39.140 And you know, I take it now because it's advised to you that that's required to invoke the emergencies

00:13:44.980 act.

00:13:45.420 It's in the documents.

00:13:46.480 You were advised of that.

00:13:47.740 Yes.

00:13:48.220 Right.

00:13:48.600 So what agency gave you the evidence and the intelligence that said, Hey, we have reasonable

00:13:57.400 grounds of a section two CSIS act threat.

00:13:59.360 There wasn't one, was there?

00:14:04.680 So let me, um, explain, uh, nobody, uh, bringing advice to the table other than CSIS is, uh,

00:14:13.820 assessing, uh, that, uh, against that threat.

00:14:17.080 Nobody advising the cabinet.

00:14:18.600 The cabinet is making that decision and their interpretation of the law is what governs here

00:14:24.400 and the advice they get.

00:14:26.480 And their, their decision was evidently that the threshold was met. 1.00

00:14:35.000 Well, I interpreted that I'm allowed to kill you. 0.99

00:14:37.520 That's how I interpret the law. 0.98

00:14:39.700 That's, that's really what makes something legal or illegal.

00:14:42.860 What did you think of his cross-examination, Brendan Miller?

00:14:45.940 I think it's painful to watch them squirm like that silence was, it was so loud in my ears.

00:14:53.020 It just, uh, it like irks me.

00:14:54.720 But again, that's what you get when Brendan Miller walks up to the stand.

00:14:58.380 You just know, like, that's why it's, it's literally a huge topic on Twitter.

00:15:01.860 Every time it's Miller time, people are like zoned in, honed in because they know that he's

00:15:07.020 about to drop a huge truth bomb and that something crazy is going to be unveiled.

00:15:11.000 It's nothing that we didn't maybe already, you know, interpret, uh, because of what information

00:15:16.140 has come out already, but, uh, the silence.

00:15:20.480 Yeah, no, it's definitely great.

00:15:21.600 You know, last week was, last week was calmer.

00:15:24.660 Um, it had a little bit, it was still a super interesting week and we heard some great testimony

00:15:29.500 and some great evidence was presented.

00:15:32.140 For instance, the coups border blockade were, the coups, the coups border blockades were dealt

00:15:38.140 with prior to the EA being involved.

00:15:40.720 And so was the one at Windsor.

00:15:42.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:15:42.780 So, you know, we saw that last week, um, but it was still a calmer week, but I can say

00:15:47.840 that I have under good authority that this week's going to be a lot more interesting.

00:15:51.520 It's going to be, it's going to be very great to, to, to follow.

00:15:54.360 Uh, Tom, what did you make of his testimony in this response?

00:15:57.360 Basically saying that they, they didn't receive any intel from any actual authority saying

00:16:02.000 that he should be invoked.

00:16:03.100 Yeah.

00:16:03.240 And, and you're right about the, um, that silent, that silent moment.

00:16:07.740 I remember that silent moment and I wasn't looking and I'm, and I had to look up and I'm

00:16:12.340 like, that's weird.

00:16:14.180 Painful.

00:16:14.880 It was painful, that silence.

00:16:16.380 Right.

00:16:16.960 And, um, you know, it's, it's remarkable because there's, they're, they're talking about the

00:16:24.380 intelligence and the law enforcement agencies with this kind of within the country, but somehow

00:16:29.460 cabinet knew better.

00:16:31.380 Yeah.

00:16:32.440 Right.

00:16:32.700 They, they blatantly disregarded the advice and the access, their, their ability to be

00:16:39.640 the consumers of that intelligence, but because they didn't like the answer, they went a different

00:16:45.300 route.

00:16:45.700 Yeah.

00:16:46.420 And I think we're going to find out when they testify that it's going to be really probably,

00:16:50.800 they're going to be hard pressed to justify it.

00:16:52.900 Well, think about it too.

00:16:54.060 Like you have two deputy ministers that are serving two ministers, right?

00:16:58.060 A hundred percent from the liberal cabinet who have just said today, a hundred percent

00:17:02.600 that they advised against invoking the emergency act.

00:17:06.020 These two people, it was a steward and wrote, wrote, I cannot pronounce his name, but when

00:17:11.920 you have that, and it's so in front of you, it just, I can, I can't wait to see what it's

00:17:16.680 going to be like next week.

00:17:17.780 Like it's, I'm not sure what sort of excuses they're going to have.

00:17:20.460 Again, this has just been a process of elimination and as I suspected, but now I can confirm that

00:17:26.300 like these, even their own deputy ministers were like, Hey, we don't have to hit the panic

00:17:31.440 button.

00:17:31.840 We can certainly do these other tactics.

00:17:33.940 Instead.

00:17:34.480 We have X, Y, Z in our arsenal, in our toolbox, et cetera, to use instead of just hitting the

00:17:40.240 emergency act button.

00:17:41.940 And, uh, they still chose to go forward with it.

00:17:43.820 So again, I'm not sure what sort of excuses they're going to have.

00:17:46.100 Yeah, you're absolutely right.

00:17:47.520 It'll be almost impossible for the liberal cabinet to testify next week to actually find

00:17:53.540 a proper justification for the use of the emergency act, especially when Brendan Miller

00:17:57.840 starts cross-examining them.

00:17:59.680 And we just, we even saw that later.

00:18:01.440 That would be great.

00:18:02.360 And we even saw some of it later today too, when some evidence was presented by Rob Kitteridge,

00:18:07.300 um, about the LRB, the liberal research bureau.

00:18:10.600 And I just want to wait.

00:18:11.320 We have Keith Wilson in the background.

00:18:12.640 I want to wait until he comes on to go into that a little bit deeper because he's actually

00:18:17.360 a King's counsel, like Tom, even though I just look like one, exactly.

00:18:21.480 Even though I said that Tom is a King's counsel earlier, but we saw some great evidence presented

00:18:25.820 today by, uh, the GCCF in relation to the, uh, the, the, the, the, I LRB.

00:18:31.840 Um, all right, let's look a little bit deeper into, um, Stewart's testimony.

00:18:36.180 Once again, let's take a look at clip number five, uh, where it's, um, yeah, where, where,

00:18:42.780 where the deputy, I mean, the, the public safety deputy minister was concerned that

00:18:47.300 invoking DEA could potentially, uh, provoke the freedom convoy protesters to be even more

00:18:52.000 violent.

00:18:52.400 Well, not even more violent to actually become violent because they weren't violent, uh,

00:18:56.120 initially.

00:18:57.120 Let's take a look at that clip number five.

00:18:59.040 Around the pros and cons of using the emergencies act.

00:19:02.520 And one of the concerns that I had at the time was of the potential for serious violence.

00:19:08.820 So in fact, one of the reasons to invoke the act was also a concern in terms of what happens

00:19:13.620 when you invoke it.

00:19:14.440 Um, and, and if it were, uh, to, um, lead people to become, uh, violent, then that would

00:19:24.260 be, you know, an, uh, an, uh, an undesirable outcome.

00:19:27.380 So we were, that was just one of the many considerations we were discussing.

00:19:32.200 So essentially it might do more harm than good by, by inciting rather than calming.

00:19:37.860 That's right.

00:19:38.580 Okay.

00:19:41.000 Wow.

00:19:41.960 It's incredible.

00:19:42.920 Every time I hear it, I'm like, it's that much more real.

00:19:46.280 Like I joke about it, but you know, we literally hear this from every single testimony.

00:19:50.880 It doesn't matter what they say that, um, even in cross-examination, it doesn't matter

00:19:55.080 what they say to try it and make that entire statement seem less than it is.

00:19:59.560 Every single person has agreed that it could have been helpful or was helpful in some way,

00:20:03.880 but absolutely not necessary to invoke a counter-terrorist act.

00:20:08.320 The, the, the, the ex, what was it?

00:20:09.620 The war measures act is what it was called.

00:20:11.440 The war measures acts.

00:20:13.520 These were peaceful protesters that came to protest lawfully, peacefully in Canada's capital.

00:20:20.240 What more, what more can there be?

00:20:23.200 Really?

00:20:23.840 It's, it's, it's incredulous.

00:20:25.600 Really?

00:20:25.900 It's not even the first time that we, that we hear it, that it could incite violence within

00:20:30.220 the protests.

00:20:30.880 Or it's not, it's not the first time we were warned by the RCMP.

00:20:34.760 Like these are huge, huge, like intelligence ops that provided this information weeks, even

00:20:42.680 weeks leading up towards the invocation of the emergencies act.

00:20:45.940 So I'm not, again, it's just, uh, it's incredible to me.

00:20:49.760 Same thing over and over again.

00:20:51.180 It just reaffirms once again, that it was not necessary that it could actually provoke violence

00:20:55.860 when there was no violence at the beginning.

00:20:57.560 You mentioned the War Measures Act, the only times in history where these, these legislatures

00:21:02.440 have been used is during World War I, World War II, the FLQ crisis.

00:21:08.360 Not, the Freedom Convoy doesn't even match any of those.

00:21:12.280 Well, of course not.

00:21:13.000 But they're going to make them out to be similar.

00:21:14.860 Yeah, it's unbelievable to think that Justin Trudeau actually thought he could equate the,

00:21:18.780 the Freedom Convoy to these crises.

00:21:22.280 Tom?

00:21:23.160 Well, you know, we, if, if we look at right across the board, all of the different socioeconomic

00:21:30.300 differences amongst the people that attended the convoy.

00:21:34.080 We had doctors, we had lawyers, we had veterinarians, we had carpenters, we had electricians.

00:21:40.560 We had all walks of life from every province.

00:21:44.980 We had the, the most phenomenal sample of Canadians that all, you know, came to Ottawa

00:21:51.680 for that protest.

00:21:52.860 And so for, for the general public out there that is against the convoy, it's very neat

00:21:59.220 and tidy.

00:21:59.680 If you can put them all into a box as a certain small percentage or fringe minority sector 0.99

00:22:05.760 of our society.

00:22:06.660 But in this case, you can't do that.

00:22:09.680 It was all of Canada that came to Ottawa.

00:22:13.080 It was the truckers that inspired or gave everybody like me, a former military guy, the opportunity

00:22:19.720 to come to Ottawa.

00:22:21.460 So the truckers were the ones that were, you know, they, they lit the spark, but it was

00:22:26.460 all of Canada that came to Ottawa.

00:22:29.000 And so what you're seeing is this kind of narrative where it's better to put them all into one little

00:22:34.820 container.

00:22:35.360 So it's easier to frame them as being this fringe minority of bad people.

00:22:40.840 But we know this when we hear the testimony that they, they can't make that argument, right?

00:22:45.960 It just doesn't, it doesn't equate in any way.

00:22:48.600 And so it's really nice to see that they're admitting certain things.

00:22:53.240 But again, this is a lot of, this is also a court of public opinion.

00:22:56.720 You know, the public gets to watch this and see the evidence for themselves, hear the

00:23:01.740 testimony and make a decision about the convoy.

00:23:05.980 But I think it's obviously clear.

00:23:09.400 It was never required.

00:23:11.340 Yeah.

00:23:11.540 It was never required.

00:23:12.660 Of course, it was never required.

00:23:13.680 Even, even he testified to it today, Rob Stewart, when, when Rob Kittrich asked him, do you agree

00:23:20.140 with me that it was helpful, but not necessary as many witnesses had testified prior to today?

00:23:27.220 He said, yeah, it was useful.

00:23:30.420 He agreed with Kittrich's statement.

00:23:33.320 We keep seeing it over and over again.

00:23:35.420 It's great.

00:23:36.080 And you talked about the court of public opinion.

00:23:38.560 I agree with you.

00:23:39.380 Even today, we saw the NDP put out a press release saying that they would like to see

00:23:45.200 an independent inquiry into the federal COVID-19 measures that have been taken throughout

00:23:49.720 the pandemic.

00:23:50.240 You know, I think it's a little bit odd to hear that, considering that Jack Meade has

00:23:53.320 been following Trudeau in every single move he made.

00:23:56.680 But I think it still shows that while the NDP continues to support Trudeau, they might see

00:24:03.800 a political opportunity.

00:24:05.200 Yeah, I just wrote that earlier today.

00:24:06.360 I think they might see a political opportunity to go against Trudeau, seeing how the inquiry

00:24:11.440 is going.

00:24:12.380 And now they're asking for an independent inquiry into the federal COVID-19 response by the

00:24:16.900 liberal government.

00:24:17.820 Very interesting.

00:24:18.700 Tom, your thoughts on that?

00:24:20.200 And after we'll let you go and we'll bring in Keith Wilson.

00:24:24.020 Yeah, I think what you're seeing is another example of buyer's remorse with the NDP sort

00:24:30.080 of associating themselves with Trudeau.

00:24:33.680 But, you know, Mr. Singh recently said, no matter what the outcome of this is, he's still

00:24:38.540 going to maintain his relationship with the federal liberals and keep the coalition going

00:24:45.360 strong.

00:24:46.580 So he's going to be perfectly happy to trample on civil liberties for dental care.

00:24:53.200 OK, for dental work.

00:24:57.120 But I think he's he's playing both sides of the fence here.

00:25:01.180 That's really what he's doing.

00:25:02.260 Obviously, like he's hedging his bets is what he's doing.

00:25:04.700 Of course.

00:25:05.320 Well, thanks so much.

00:25:06.100 Thanks so much for coming on, Tom.

00:25:07.920 Great suit.

00:25:08.520 Once again, great, great tie that you wore today.

00:25:11.360 And we'll look forward to seeing you tomorrow.

00:25:13.240 I think Keith is going to break the tie.

00:25:15.960 We'll see.

00:25:16.560 All right.

00:25:17.040 Stay tuned, everyone.

00:25:17.880 We'll go on a short break.

00:25:18.840 When we come back, we'll have Freedom Convoy lawyer Keith Wilson, King's Council, join

00:25:23.420 us on the live stream.

00:25:24.380 Stay tuned.

00:25:32.080 Freedom in the year 2022.

00:25:34.220 For me, folks, it means the return of Rebel Live.

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00:27:11.460 All right.

00:27:16.460 We are back.

00:27:17.220 Great ad from our very own David, the Menzo, and Menzies.

00:27:20.360 And I am here with someone who doesn't need a reminder to wear a suit when he comes on

00:27:24.120 the live stream.

00:27:24.780 This is Freedom Convoy lawyer Keith Wilson.

00:27:27.640 Keith, how are you doing?

00:27:28.880 I'm doing fine, thanks.

00:27:30.020 Dressed very well, Keith.

00:27:31.560 All right, your general thoughts from today, what we've seen so far, and then we'll move

00:27:35.260 on to the examination of Global Affairs Canada.

00:27:38.540 Sure.

00:27:38.920 Well, I mean, it's been a repeat of what we've seen over and over again, which is each official

00:27:44.540 that is brought forward is asked what they know about the factual evidentiary circumstances

00:27:51.440 that would justify the invocation of the Emergencies Act, the stripping of Canadians' rights, the

00:27:58.040 allowing the federal government, as the Emergencies Act does, to intrude into provincial jurisdiction.

00:28:04.660 And each witness gives the same answer.

00:28:08.120 There was no justification.

00:28:10.340 They give it with precision, as you've talked about with Tom Razzo.

00:28:14.940 But they confirmed that there was no national security threat.

00:28:19.440 They agree that the sources with best information that would know if there was a national security

00:28:24.940 threat was the OPP and other police organizations.

00:28:29.060 And they acknowledge that their testimony is that the criteria to invoke the Act wasn't

00:28:33.920 there.

00:28:34.660 So it's just becoming clearer and clearer.

00:28:36.840 And it's going to be interesting when the politicians get up, because they've really got

00:28:41.360 nowhere to run and nowhere to hide.

00:28:43.340 Yeah.

00:28:43.500 Can you just remind us quickly?

00:28:44.860 I know we talked about it at the beginning of the live stream.

00:28:46.580 I read Section 2 of the CESIS Act.

00:28:48.660 What threshold needs to be met for the Emergencies Act to be justifiably invoked?

00:28:55.120 Well, there has to be a serious threat to the national security.

00:29:00.720 It has to involve acts of real violence.

00:29:05.540 There has to be a credible plan for some overthrow of the government, an illegal overthrow.

00:29:12.140 Um, and there's Section 2 of the CESIS Act that refers to this new term that the government's

00:29:20.980 come up with in recent years of ideologically motivated violent extremist.

00:29:26.280 And the only ideologically motivated violent extremist that I've met in the last year has

00:29:31.860 been the Trudeau government.

00:29:32.980 And they've demonstrated their violence on Canadians by beating them and trampling them

00:29:37.200 with horses in support of their ideology that the state knows best and Canadians' rights

00:29:42.640 shouldn't be respected.

00:29:44.320 So it goes, cuts both ways.

00:29:46.300 No, of course.

00:29:46.780 And I think that even today at the commission, the lady who was trampled by RCMP horses during

00:29:51.800 the frame convoy was here today.

00:29:53.280 We saw her.

00:29:54.340 Um, so while we were doing the live stream at the beginning, uh, Global Affairs Canada

00:29:58.400 testified in front of the Public Order Emergency Commission and Brendan Miller, Brendan Miller

00:30:04.400 even got the chance to cross-examine the two witnesses who were on stand.

00:30:08.120 So I think that she was still at the commission.

00:30:09.480 Can you tell us, um, a little bit more about that?

00:30:11.940 Yeah, sure.

00:30:12.500 Um, it was still going on while you guys went live and, um, the senior official with Global

00:30:20.480 Affairs Canada.

00:30:21.400 So this is like, they used to be called foreign affairs, right?

00:30:24.640 So they're dealing with embassies in relations with other nation states.

00:30:28.500 And she said some remarkable things.

00:30:30.460 And I was very glad that I wasn't sipping my coffee at the time because I probably would

00:30:34.700 have spit it out.

00:30:35.540 Um, one of the things she said was that they were extremely concerned about the economic

00:30:41.480 impacts of the Windsor and Coutts, uh, border blockades.

00:30:45.560 But what she failed to note is that Stats Canada found that even despite the border being temporarily

00:30:56.080 blocked at Windsor, the Ambassador Bridge, all the trucks went to the other bridges.

00:31:01.980 So trade was in fact, according to Stats Canada, when they studied it some months later, and

00:31:06.800 you can Google this and see it, trade was actually, the crossing trade was up by 16%.

00:31:11.120 So this whole idea, it was purely a model they came up with that if no trucks could cross

00:31:16.640 at all, this is what the impact could be.

00:31:19.360 The fact of the matter is the trucks went to the other two bridges that are there.

00:31:23.280 Uh, similarly at Coutts, they rerouted to, uh, Delmeda and then the other crossing.

00:31:28.860 So there was a temporary impact, no greater than a day.

00:31:31.900 Um, but the reason I almost spit out my coffee was every day I get emails from people who've

00:31:40.360 lost their businesses, who've lost their homes, who've lost their families because of the

00:31:46.940 government's overreach with these mandates.

00:31:49.300 Look at the economic costs to the tourism sector alone from the prolonged government

00:31:56.360 travel mandates that prevented foreigners from coming to Quebec to see the beautiful

00:32:01.560 sites, going to Alberta and British Columbia and all those tourism dollars.

00:32:05.960 It was many, many tens of billions of dollars.

00:32:09.420 So they're being a little selective here, right?

00:32:12.380 They're, they're first of all, jacking up the numbers about the economic impact.

00:32:16.300 And they're completely, uh, willfully blind, I would suggest to the economic impact that

00:32:23.500 their own travel mandates had.

00:32:25.240 I got to give another example.

00:32:27.200 A lot of people don't understand this when they brought in the vaccine requirement to,

00:32:30.980 uh, to travel by air in Canada, which no other G7 country did.

00:32:36.760 We were unique in that respect of overreach.

00:32:39.680 Um, it also required the baggage handlers, the security clearance people, the people who

00:32:45.700 work at booster juice and Starbucks to all be vaccinated as well.

00:32:49.780 So the disruption and the delays, if, if you traveled at all, even recently, you're still

00:32:54.700 feeling the effects where you pull up and you can't get up to the, the bridgeway because

00:32:58.740 there's no baggage handlers or you're waiting for two hours.

00:33:01.280 So the economic impacts of that, they're willfully blind to.

00:33:05.280 So this is, it was remarkable that she was trying to vilify freedom protesters for their

00:33:13.860 alleged economic impact, which Stats Canada said wasn't real, um, and completely ignoring

00:33:20.520 the incredibly, um, dreadful economic impact that this government policy of overreach had

00:33:27.440 on the mandates.

00:33:28.360 I fully agree.

00:33:29.260 You know, the, the, the border communities, the border cities through the pandemic have

00:33:32.980 suffered tremendously because of all of those, uh, those mandates.

00:33:37.160 Yeah, exactly.

00:33:37.660 You know, we saw some MPs are talking about it in the house of commons and I even have a

00:33:42.040 graph right here.

00:33:42.680 I just sent it on Slack.

00:33:43.700 If we can put that, pull that up shortly, Canada had some of the strictest COVID-19 restrictions

00:33:51.760 from all countries.

00:33:53.460 You know, I compare it to Germany, Italy, Croatia, Iceland right here and Canada from

00:33:58.780 April 1st, April 1st, 2021 to April 1st, 2022 is above all of the other ones.

00:34:05.340 If we could put it up on the, on the screen, that would be great.

00:34:08.080 But what, what do you think of, uh, of this, of this testimony that Keith just talked to

00:34:12.080 us about?

00:34:12.520 Well, my goodness, I'm sad to not have been able to see that myself or to hear it, but

00:34:16.580 I think I just would have been very, very angered as I honestly am right now, because

00:34:21.640 you know, it's like a bunch of bullies, um, literally just picking and choosing which,

00:34:25.780 uh, which places get to stay open and which ones get to close.

00:34:28.920 And because for less than a day, they had some impacts, they're throwing a huge fit and

00:34:34.700 making up all these statistics to try.

00:34:36.540 And again, like you said, vilify the convoy when, again, it was how many local businesses

00:34:43.140 closed, but Walmart was allowed to stay open, but Costco was allowed to stay open.

00:34:48.020 Liquor stores, um, uh, um, uh, weed, what are they?

00:34:54.260 LCBO.

00:34:55.080 I think they call it cannabis.

00:34:56.500 Cannabis.

00:34:57.140 Sorry.

00:34:57.860 Cannabis.

00:34:58.420 We're in Ontario.

00:34:59.040 Yeah.

00:34:59.640 Whatever.

00:35:00.300 I don't smoke.

00:35:00.940 So I'm not, I'm not familiar with the terms, but all these places that the government,

00:35:05.160 uh, runs or has some sort of hand in were allowed and able to stay open.

00:35:09.140 Well, a small business were impacted.

00:35:11.240 Um, like you said, people lost their houses, people lost their lives to this.

00:35:15.120 And now I like, they're just throwing a huge fit and I, I, there's no reason why it's,

00:35:21.140 it can't be justified.

00:35:22.660 Um, and the fact that they have to make up false statistics to try and, and make this narrative.

00:35:29.560 I mean, it's just, they're digging their own grave here.

00:35:32.000 And the closer we get towards the end of this, the worse it looks on them.

00:35:36.400 It already was bad.

00:35:37.480 It was already very, very, very bad, but what do you think is going to be like the impacts?

00:35:43.660 Well, there's one more that I have to share with you that she said today, because I know

00:35:47.440 you guys are busy here.

00:35:48.980 The second thing she said that would have caused me to, what's that?

00:35:52.860 I said you weren't done.

00:35:54.100 No, I was not done.

00:35:55.360 Oh goodness.

00:35:56.080 But, um, she said that the other concern that global affairs or foreign affairs Canada

00:36:02.160 had, get ready for this.

00:36:04.180 She was very, and the government and the prime minister were very concerned about how Canadian

00:36:11.680 flags were appearing in Australia and in the United States and protests in Europe and Central

00:36:21.580 America.

00:36:22.160 Then she said, because it was desecrating the Canadian flag that these other freedom protesters

00:36:31.600 were flying the flag of Canada in, in, in Europe and in the United States and Australia,

00:36:38.720 because it was being used to promote illegality.

00:36:43.940 And that's why you'll see when you, if we, when you get a chance to see Mr. Miller's cross,

00:36:50.280 but people were flying the Canadian flag in pride of true North, strong and free.

00:36:58.940 We believe in governments following the law, the rule of law and respecting the charter that

00:37:04.860 puts limits on the government's ability to arbitrarily take away Canadians, fundamental

00:37:10.420 rights and freedoms, such as the right of mobility.

00:37:13.320 So people weren't flying those flags in support in other countries in support of some kind

00:37:20.780 of, you know, criminal enterprise or organized crime or something silly.

00:37:25.380 They were flying that flag in, in support and being proud of Canadians who had come forward

00:37:31.200 to say to government, you've gone too far, you need to stop and you need to follow the

00:37:36.760 law.

00:37:37.220 And they use this info, this disinformation thing.

00:37:40.020 There's a perfect example of a senior government official at the highest level under oath, engaging

00:37:46.600 in disinformation.

00:37:48.380 They, they, they seem to be thinking they have this monopoly on who can characterize the truth.

00:37:54.580 So, and I guess we'll be dealing with more of that next week. 0.97

00:37:57.540 No, of course it's, yeah, it's, it's ridiculous.

00:38:00.220 And, you know, you mentioned mobility rights and in Quebec, there were people in high school

00:38:05.540 that will literally run at the end of the day after hanging out with their friends, even

00:38:09.520 people in university, they would take their bike and they will run back to their home

00:38:13.880 because they knew the curfew was about to arrive at 8 PM or 9 PM.

00:38:18.020 And they, they're not allowed to be outside after this hour. 0.74

00:38:21.460 It's pathetic to think that the government was actually able to do that during the pandemic.

00:38:26.540 Never would I thought that this was something that would happen in, in our, in our lifetime. 0.66

00:38:31.540 And then you mentioned the Canadian flag being flown overseas and people not being proud of

00:38:36.340 that. 0.93

00:38:36.980 How ridiculous is that? 0.99

00:38:38.680 Yes. 0.99

00:38:38.960 Aren't you supposed to be proud of your country?

00:38:41.180 Yes.

00:38:41.540 Aren't you supposed to, shouldn't the prime minister like to see Canadian flags everywhere because

00:38:46.060 that's value in Canada, you know, in the United States, Americans are proud to see the American

00:38:50.600 flag everywhere.

00:38:51.840 Have we just lost all sense of nationalism?

00:38:54.380 No, it's because of what the flag stood for because, because people that were flying that

00:38:58.900 flag stood in, stood in solidarity with people in the convoy that stood in solidarity with

00:39:04.460 putting up a protest against these unjust mandates and vaccine, um, the passports, all the

00:39:10.680 restrictions, everything that they did.

00:39:12.440 It served as a, as a big source of inspiration.

00:39:15.520 Um, and it happened all over the, all over the world.

00:39:19.380 That's exactly what inspired the convoys in the U S and Australia.

00:39:23.120 They were in Italy.

00:39:24.620 Um, they were in the Netherlands and there was a mini convoy that came up from Calgary,

00:39:30.280 Alberta and went up to, um, to Edmonton to the legislature building there.

00:39:34.360 Um, just to stand, just to show that the, the Canadians here stood in solidarity with, uh,

00:39:39.320 the Dutch farmers that are protesting the insane, uh, I can't say that word of, uh, the W E F 1.00

00:39:47.060 and their, uh, their crazy cutbacks on, uh, on emissions.

00:39:50.460 It's just literally, I mean, you're going to, you're going to eat the bugs.

00:39:54.360 Well, yeah.

00:39:54.960 And you're going to, you're going to love it.

00:39:56.520 You're going to love it so much.

00:39:57.520 Yeah.

00:39:57.540 Klaus Schwab's globalist, globalist agenda.

00:39:59.380 All right.

00:39:59.880 Uh, we'll go back to Brendan Miller's and we'll talk about Rob Kidders.

00:40:03.040 But right before we go to another Miller clip, I want to show a picture that I was sent,

00:40:07.480 uh, earlier today.

00:40:08.720 Rob Primo made that great, that great picture, that great little graphic about Brendan Miller.

00:40:13.120 If you could show it out of the screen.

00:40:14.380 Yeah.

00:40:14.620 It's Miller times.

00:40:15.460 You know, when Brendan goes like this, Oh, they're in for it.

00:40:22.620 You just, you know, you know, something's happening.

00:40:24.760 You know, when the shoulder pads go to the side and when you see him getting ready to

00:40:28.940 continue his cross-examination, you know, something's coming in this graphic.

00:40:32.620 As a litigator, I can tell you when he does that, he's got you right where he needs you

00:40:37.780 to be.

00:40:38.260 And it's not going to matter what you do.

00:40:40.780 You are done.

00:40:41.940 You are coming out of the cage on his terms and that's it.

00:40:45.540 So good.

00:40:46.440 It's like an anaconda snake.

00:40:49.100 When he does this, you're done.

00:40:51.660 Oh yeah.

00:40:52.060 And you know it.

00:40:52.860 Everyone knows it.

00:40:53.840 All right.

00:40:54.300 Brendan Miller, a little, a little quick honor to you.

00:40:56.980 Let's take a look at clip number six.

00:40:58.600 Another clip from Miller time.

00:41:00.600 He's got, he's got his whole cross-examination today was great.

00:41:03.860 Rob Kidders was nice as well, I think.

00:41:05.740 And I look so, I look forward to seeing what comes up for the rest of the week and what

00:41:11.520 comes up next week when he testify a little transport minister.

00:41:15.880 Omar al-Jabra when he appears in front of the commission.

00:41:18.900 Take a look at clip number six.

00:41:20.820 He stated that at no point of the service, being CSIS, assessed the protests in Ottawa

00:41:25.820 or elsewhere.

00:41:27.140 Those referred to as the Freedom Con, foreign related protests and blockades in January

00:41:30.880 and February 2022 constituted a threat to the security of Canada as defined in section

00:41:35.800 to the CSIS Act and that CSIS cannot investigate activities constituting lawful protests.

00:41:41.520 CSIS assessed there was no indication of foreign state interference occurring in the course

00:41:46.900 of the protest.

00:41:48.320 CSIS did not assess that any foreign state supported the protest through funding, that

00:41:53.860 foreign states deployed covert or overt disinformation techniques, or that any foreign state actors attempted

00:42:00.520 to enter into Canada to support the protest.

00:42:03.560 There, Director Venu states that he learned that the EA referenced the threat definition

00:42:09.420 set out in section two of the CSIS Act once the federal government began to seriously consider

00:42:15.260 invoking the EA between February 10th and 13th.

00:42:19.000 He requested that the service prepare a threat assessment on the risks associated with the

00:42:23.440 invocation of the EA.

00:42:25.060 He felt an obligation to clearly convey the service's position that there did not exist

00:42:29.900 a threat to the security of Canada as defined by the service's legal mandate.

00:42:35.100 The threat assessment prepared by the service was that the invocation of the emergency's

00:42:39.920 legislation risked further inflaming IMV rhetoric and individuals holding accelerationist or

00:42:46.820 anti-government views.

00:42:48.200 You were told that.

00:42:49.140 Is that correct?

00:42:50.000 That is correct.

00:42:51.900 And that basically just goes back to what we were saying earlier, that that's the evidence,

00:42:56.180 but he mentioned it multiple times.

00:42:58.280 What a great testimony by Brendan Miller.

00:42:59.900 What did you think of this line?

00:43:01.440 I think you can only hear something so many times, and that's pretty much it.

00:43:07.460 Like, can you imagine saying it point blank and then just, you know, for the people in

00:43:11.940 the back, like literally screaming, like, do anything except this, do anything except,

00:43:16.940 you know, poke the snake, so to speak.

00:43:20.980 Keith?

00:43:22.000 Well, and I think you might've touched on this a little bit earlier with, with your lawyer

00:43:27.980 who was sitting in this chair.

00:43:29.020 I think he works for law and order or suits.

00:43:31.620 I'm not sure.

00:43:32.360 Something like that.

00:43:32.820 Yeah, exactly.

00:43:33.660 He's definitely, he's definitely, well, yeah, actually I think he was an extra in suits.

00:43:37.460 Yeah, well, you know, you might say that he, I thought he looked familiar.

00:43:40.720 Yeah, he could say that he played one on television.

00:43:43.300 So he's not a real lawyer, but he played one on television, but you know, he, he was

00:43:47.180 pretty accurate, but I'll, I'll give it a little bit more King's counsel precision.

00:43:52.840 It's this, the question in law, when a decision maker invokes these kinds of powers

00:43:59.500 is what information did they have in front of them to justify their decision and was

00:44:06.060 it reasonable?

00:44:07.880 And all of the experts, as we've talked about, have testified that the trigger thresholds

00:44:14.980 were not met.

00:44:15.760 The evidence wasn't there.

00:44:17.100 So today was the first time we heard what the new narrative is.

00:44:21.660 And from the deputy minister of public safety, uh, he said that it was for the prime minister

00:44:29.760 and his cabinet to adjudicate and make a decision as to whether they thought that the legal test

00:44:37.120 was met, despite all of the experts, all of the intelligence agencies, all of the police

00:44:42.480 forces telling them it wasn't.

00:44:45.500 And then of course that opened up for Brendan Miller to say, and what training does the prime

00:44:51.380 minister have in law enforcement, you know, beyond drama teacher, beyond playing a police

00:44:57.060 officer in a play in high school or something.

00:45:00.500 Um, and of course it didn't matter what the answer is because we all know none.

00:45:06.160 So, um, it's not looking good for the government and, um, it's,

00:45:12.480 it's really good for Canadians that we're getting to see how corrupt the Trudeau government

00:45:20.160 is.

00:45:20.840 Well, I think that he had an, uh, as much training, uh, training as Tom Muratso had when

00:45:25.360 he played a lawyer, when he played an FBI agent in the series, in the series, but it

00:45:30.860 was designated survivor.

00:45:32.160 If you guys haven't watched, it's a great series.

00:45:34.100 Um, and also just go back on suits.

00:45:35.940 Anyone who watched shoot, basically the whole plot is a lawyer who's never went to law school,

00:45:40.180 who actually becomes a lawyer.

00:45:41.100 And I think, I think that could be Tom Muratso.

00:45:44.240 Do you think he's got the talent?

00:45:45.040 Yeah, I hadn't thought of that.

00:45:45.780 Yeah.

00:45:46.120 Yeah.

00:45:46.500 Yeah.

00:45:46.840 Um, so yeah, so just to go back, I'm not sure if we had a clip ready.

00:45:49.920 I just sent it at Brendan Miller and his first statement at the commission, you know, his

00:45:56.900 opening statement was short.

00:45:58.660 It was two minutes long, but it was super concise and precise and brief.

00:46:02.180 And it was, it was a great opening statement, um, a great testimony, a great statement.

00:46:06.480 Sorry.

00:46:06.720 He said that we will see no evidence whatsoever that the Freedom Convoy met the threshold for

00:46:15.280 section two of the CCS Act.

00:46:17.280 Let's take a look at exactly what Brendan Miller said back then.

00:46:20.240 Good morning.

00:46:21.800 My name's Brendan Miller of Foster LLP and I am counsel to Freedom Corp, which is a organization

00:46:28.640 that represents the protesters of which attended Ottawa in January and February of 2022.

00:46:35.820 Uh, my colleague, Ms. Beth Sheba Vandenberg of Foster LLP is my co-counsel on this matter,

00:46:41.900 as well as the solicitors of record, uh, both Mr. Keith Wilson, King's counsel, as well as

00:46:47.920 Ms. Eva Chipiuk, uh, who is counsel to the convoy.

00:46:51.420 Uh, with respect to, uh, sort of everyone's given an overview of the theory of their case,

00:46:58.460 it is our view that there was no justification whatsoever to invoke the emergency.

00:47:05.820 The emergencies act requires several things.

00:47:09.960 One, it could be invoked due to espionage and sabotage.

00:47:14.640 Are you going to hear any evidence about espionage and sabotage?

00:47:18.860 The answer to that is no.

00:47:21.140 Two, it could be invoked on the basis of clandestine or deceptive foreign influence,

00:47:27.020 or foreign influence that involves the threat to a person.

00:47:29.940 Are you going to hear evidence about that?

00:47:31.820 The answer to that is no.

00:47:32.820 It also could be invoked on the basis of threats or use of acts of serious violence against persons or property.

00:47:41.700 Are you going to hear evidence of violence against persons or property?

00:47:45.740 The answer is no.

00:47:48.100 Lastly, it can also be invoked if there is a group or persons trying to destroy or overthrow.

00:48:02.820 The answer to that is no.

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00:48:25.900 Have you noticed that if you drive the treatment from Fantasy England in prison,

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Rebel News Podcast - November 15, 2022

BREAKDOWN： Trucker Commission Day 22 ｜ Ft. Tom Marazzo & Keith Wilson

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