Rebel News Podcast - BREAKDOWN： Trucker Commission Day 24 ｜ RCMP Officer Testifies ｜ Ft. Eva Chipiuk

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00:00:15.060 Well, welcome back, everyone.

00:00:16.240 Tonight, here we're here in Ottawa.

00:00:18.160 I am with my colleague, Celine Gallus.

00:00:20.380 Celine, how are you doing?

00:00:21.420 Doing so good today, William.

00:00:23.020 How are you?

00:00:23.860 Pretty tired.

00:00:24.360 It was a long day hearing lengthy testimonies by Transport Canada witnesses, by CBSA, Canadian

00:00:31.400 Border Service Agency witnesses as well.

00:00:34.500 Well, one witness from CBSA.

00:00:36.460 So it was a pretty long day.

00:00:37.640 I'm here to my left also by Eva Cipic, lawyer for Freedom Corp.

00:00:41.880 Eva, how are you doing?

00:00:42.920 Great.

00:00:43.220 Thank you.

00:00:43.960 Yeah.

00:00:44.320 So I think that you were sitting in the stand the whole day today, throughout the whole procedures.

00:00:49.580 I just want to get your thoughts on what your general impression of the day was, and then

00:00:54.000 we can get into what went on yesterday during Commissioner Brenda Luckey from the RCMP's testimony.

00:01:01.360 Yeah, well, honestly, today I wasn't too incredibly impressed with the witness panels we had.

00:01:05.920 We had first CBSA, the president of the Canadian Border Services Agency, and he said that they have

00:01:12.980 an intelligence and an enforcement agency.

00:01:16.040 But under cross again with Brendan Miller, it was confirmed that he has no say in whether

00:01:22.440 or not the Emergencies Act should be invoked.

00:01:24.820 So scratch that, on to the next.

00:01:27.100 And then we had Transport Canada, and we heard a lot of projections and lots of talking from

00:01:33.820 the Transport Canada about fear of investment and decline in how much the border was being

00:01:42.080 affected by these blockades.

00:01:43.460 Lots of ifs, what ifs, and all these not real committed answers.

00:01:50.640 And then under cross-examination with Brendan Miller, like he sets everybody straight so

00:01:55.620 quickly, which is what I love.

00:01:57.420 And so first thing he showed was there was already an email that was sent to Omar Aljabra.

00:02:03.800 I hope I got that right.

00:02:06.420 Well, we always call him Omar Aljabra, but it's Aljabra, I think.

00:02:09.620 Okay, Marco Mendicino and Melanie Jolie.

00:02:14.100 And you know what, like to some extent, I, you know, I'm with Brendan about these people's

00:02:19.920 names, like they don't talk to us.

00:02:21.800 I think they, they're in this like bubble, like why should I care about their names?

00:02:25.620 I'm getting to that feeling.

00:02:26.920 Today I'm a bit frustrated, so it's coming out.

00:02:29.140 Um, so they're emailed on this email saying that Arrive Can is causing insane problems

00:02:37.180 and pressures on the border.

00:02:38.820 And here we have these two high officials from the Transfer Canada going on for two hours

00:02:44.960 about how the blockades that went on for what, three weeks, not even in, in Windsor, it was

00:02:50.580 a few days.

00:02:51.400 It was a few days.

00:02:51.900 It was a few trucks. 0.72

00:02:53.040 We're not stupid. 0.95

00:02:54.260 Like, let's look at the real evidence and not your fears and what you thought would have 0.97

00:02:58.580 been.

00:02:58.980 And he even said that, oh, we were able to secure billion dollar investments from these

00:03:04.020 four companies.

00:03:05.360 So clearly, like if we actually look at evidence today, it was just, you know, I'm getting to

00:03:09.880 like my boiling point here that these bureaucrats are, I don't know who they're being servants 0.99

00:03:17.320 to.

00:03:17.900 It's definitely not the Canadian people. 1.00

00:03:19.940 So for what I was saying is there was clear evidence that Arrive Can was causing a lot

00:03:25.920 of the issues on the border blockade and border, uh, problems, not the protesters.

00:03:31.860 They had no evidence to justify it.

00:03:33.960 And then, um, there was also second thing that came up was stats and you could see that it

00:03:41.640 didn't actually change.

00:03:43.000 Yeah.

00:03:43.700 And, you know, no recognition for it.

00:03:45.920 So they're just up there with some talking, political talking points, zero evidence.

00:03:49.960 This is an inquiry inquiry.

00:03:52.060 This is about evidence.

00:03:53.460 And that's what we're here for.

00:03:55.300 It was, it was exhausting.

00:03:57.460 Yeah.

00:03:57.620 Honestly, it was very exhausting.

00:03:58.960 And, and, um, I kind of apologize to the people that were following my life tweeting

00:04:02.520 today, but like to go and to try and explain all of the lengths that they were going

00:04:08.560 to, to absolutely confirm all the things that we know and then backpedal and just give absolute

00:04:14.960 irrelevant information for hours was insane.

00:04:19.240 So I didn't want to just pollute my, my, uh, my life tweets with, these are the statistics

00:04:25.240 that didn't change, that won't change, that haven't changed.

00:04:27.360 These are all of their excuses.

00:04:29.440 And when, um, uh, last name, the, um, the, the chief, uh, economist for transport Canada,

00:04:36.200 when he was speaking on and on and on, like, I even saw that the lawyers were cutting him

00:04:40.640 off because he was just going on endlessly.

00:04:43.560 He just, he was taking all of these tangents and just diverting from the topic at times.

00:04:48.080 It was exhausting to watch and to try and pay attention.

00:04:50.580 It was very, very dry.

00:04:51.840 Um, and as you just said, Brendan Miller set them straight pretty fast, regardless of the

00:04:57.280 fact that he had this much time in comparison to the other lawyers that cross-examine those

00:05:03.280 two gentlemen today.

00:05:04.340 Yeah.

00:05:04.420 And there's one thing that Eva said, I just want to, to show exactly what she was talking

00:05:08.280 about when you were talking about the Arrive Can app and the borders, the issues at the

00:05:11.820 border.

00:05:12.200 If we can pull up the tweet that I just sent exactly.

00:05:14.260 So here's the evidence that was shown, um, in front of the committee today, if we can zoom

00:05:19.240 in on, I believe the third paragraph, it states in custom, if we can just zoom in on

00:05:28.320 the third paragraph, if possible, um, in customs basis figures for February trade activity by

00:05:35.240 a road transport at these border crossings fell 8.8% compared with February, 2021 with

00:05:42.500 the ambassador bridge and Coutts crossings posting the largest declines.

00:05:46.040 However, and this is the important part, increased trade activity was observed at other crossings

00:05:51.840 near the ones that were blocked, partly offsetting the decline in traffic.

00:05:56.900 So, and finally, overall, the blocked border crossings appear to have had little impact on the aggregate

00:06:05.360 values of Canadian imports and exports in February.

00:06:09.680 Yeah.

00:06:10.160 I mean, this shows that the fact that the borders were blocked, didn't have a lot of impact.

00:06:14.780 And it says, it says itself, but here's the thing though.

00:06:17.980 They weren't really blocked.

00:06:19.660 They were, they were temporarily blocked in one part.

00:06:23.380 They usually kept a lane open and, and beyond that, there were other boarding crossings that

00:06:29.380 they always went through.

00:06:30.940 No one actually stopped people from being able to, to go, uh, between the border crossings.

00:06:36.440 This came out how many weeks ago from multiple people.

00:06:39.800 I mean, even the mayor of Coutts, uh, Andrew, um, Dilkens, he admitted openly that, uh, you

00:06:46.760 could get through, you know, they had negotiations going.

00:06:49.980 And if you actually look at the transcript, um, I think what you'll see is there was a lot

00:06:53.980 of, we felt like it would affect the borders and we had two hours of that and you could set

00:07:00.500 that straight in, in two seconds with, um, that document.

00:07:04.140 So, and then one other thing I have to say, that's getting to a bit of my boiling point

00:07:09.040 is we heard so much about resources, lack of resources.

00:07:12.580 I'd like to see what the budgets are for transport, Canada, CBSA, RCMP, if they have billion dollar

00:07:20.000 budgets and they can't figure out how to deal with a three week protest of Canadians.

00:07:25.520 And let me tell you what is free talking to the protesters, talking to Canadians.

00:07:29.740 I think we've just gone so far.

00:07:31.880 We're so over-regulated.

00:07:33.380 We've got way too many agencies.

00:07:36.480 We don't, nobody knows what anybody is doing.

00:07:39.160 Everyone's pointing the finger at the other guy.

00:07:41.260 And here we are.

00:07:42.560 Uh, and what are they complaining about resources?

00:07:45.380 So they just want more and have no answers.

00:07:49.340 That's where I'm at today.

00:07:50.860 A hundred percent.

00:07:51.420 And like, it was also openly admitted that there was a lot of, this was a, what's his first

00:07:56.520 name?

00:07:56.760 Keenan.

00:07:57.020 I just, I live tweet, Michael Keenan, I live tweet only using the last name.

00:08:01.300 So Michael Keenan and first name of the other guy, Drea, Christian Drea, Christian Drea.

00:08:08.100 They both admitted that all three levels of the government, a hundred percent did not

00:08:13.260 collaborate with each other and were in utter chaos, essentially.

00:08:17.600 Um, so why didn't they go and talk to protesters?

00:08:20.820 This was the, even before the convoy arrived in Ottawa, even before the, the Coutts blockade

00:08:26.720 took place, even before the one in Windsor took place, a hundred percent, what was being

00:08:31.800 strewn across the internet was that we're coming, this is what's happening.

00:08:36.360 This is why, um, they want to talk to a federal government employee, anyone from the federal

00:08:43.200 government, anyone.

00:08:44.220 Because as I, as I recall, that was because it was a really safe bet based on how our country

00:08:50.440 is regulated, that the provincial government would follow through regardless of what the

00:08:54.860 federal government mandated or didn't.

00:08:57.640 But there was never a stream of dialogue that was open.

00:09:00.660 Literally.

00:09:01.580 Can you like, I honestly can't even fathom that nobody was like, oh, we really want this

00:09:07.120 to stop.

00:09:07.680 Oh, we've got all these toolboxes and all these things in our arsenals that, you know,

00:09:11.420 we're going to use, we can use them.

00:09:13.500 No one talked to anybody.

00:09:15.240 It's like, it's like if it's like, they couldn't even see what was going on.

00:09:20.220 Like they were just blindly running around pretending like they had no options to exhaust,

00:09:25.560 except to literally hit the panic button, which is the emergencies act.

00:09:30.180 I'm getting very frustrated as well, sitting there and being like, you know, I want to bring

00:09:34.880 the news to people.

00:09:35.720 I want to be able to tell that side of the story.

00:09:38.620 I can't wait for next week.

00:09:39.920 And to your point, I think a little bit more to Eva's point as well, you know, that's

00:09:43.040 the same government that has trouble running passport offices.

00:09:46.820 When we talk about federal incompetence and government incompetence, that's the same government

00:09:51.560 that has trouble properly running simple passport office.

00:09:55.340 That's our Canada right now.

00:09:57.320 But when we're talking exhausting resources, and I think that's a great segue into, you

00:10:02.700 know, I promised yesterday we would talk about Brenda Lucky.

00:10:04.800 I think that's a great segue to Brenda Lucky's testimony.

00:10:07.680 We did not exhaust all of our resources.

00:10:10.640 Brenda Lucky yesterday stated that, let me just find the exact quote.

00:10:15.400 She stated that it is her view that we have not yet exhausted all the resources available

00:10:21.080 and that the Ontario Emergency Measures would provide more resources.

00:10:25.860 Brenda Lucky said that, what does it say to you as a lawyer who's trying to show how it

00:10:30.500 was not right, it was not justified to invoke the Emergencies Act, that a commissioner of

00:10:34.720 the RCMP goes out, one that loves Justin Trudeau, goes out and says it is her view we had not used

00:10:40.260 all of our resources.

00:10:41.120 Yeah, well, who cares what I think as a lawyer, as a Canadian, I think that's just wrong.

00:10:48.040 She did say that.

00:10:49.580 And then nonchalantly during her evidence, she just says, yeah, I guess we could have talked

00:10:53.380 to the protesters.

00:10:55.080 Like, yes.

00:10:57.660 Yes.

00:10:58.140 Fists.

00:10:59.380 Exactly.

00:11:00.060 Like, oh.

00:11:00.820 Well, when you're saying that over and over, we have all these toolboxes, and even she was

00:11:06.500 saying de-escalation is very important.

00:11:10.120 So why didn't you enact any of these tools that you have at your disposal?

00:11:15.340 Are Canadians really that scary to talk to? 1.00

00:11:18.140 They were in the room with you yesterday.

00:11:20.180 Just talk to Canadians.

00:11:22.100 Yeah.

00:11:23.160 No one is.

00:11:24.360 Yeah.

00:11:24.680 No one's saying anything, and they're still really not talking.

00:11:27.140 I mean, they're under oath, but I mean, Brenda Lucky, if you didn't see most of her testimony

00:11:31.240 or any of the clips that we've cut, she really, for the most part, forgot to recall very general

00:11:38.140 information that is her job to be able to know and to understand.

00:11:42.600 This is the commissioner for the RCMP in Canada.

00:11:46.920 How is this going on?

00:11:47.980 Yeah.

00:11:48.460 Well, you know, she didn't talk to people, and then it turns out as well that nobody asked

00:11:54.180 for her opinion on February 13th, which is incredibly telling and actually frightening.

00:11:59.400 Yes.

00:11:59.800 Because if you're saying, we know 100% CSIS said that there is no threat to justify the

00:12:05.640 Emergencies Act.

00:12:06.840 And then on February 13th, when there was a call and Brenda Lucky was involved, nobody

00:12:11.880 asked the top police officer for Canada for their opinion.

00:12:16.700 Very telling.

00:12:17.580 And she didn't volunteer to say her opinion either, and she's an RCMP commissioner.

00:12:21.780 She said, I wasn't asked, and I decided not to say anything.

00:12:25.480 That's very telling of the type of person she is.

00:12:27.200 Just to move on to a little bit more from Brenda Lucky, because we only have you on for

00:12:31.280 13 minutes, and then it's going to be you and I is going to talk about today's testimony.

00:12:35.720 Let's show clip number one.

00:12:37.340 Brenda Lucky answering one of my questions.

00:12:39.340 I had a chance to ask her two questions afterwards, and then I'll ask you some more of your thoughts

00:12:43.200 from a legal perspective of Brenda Lucky's testimony.

00:12:46.680 So let's just take a look at clip number one.

00:12:48.660 You said that the Emergencies Act was the safest option, and that you couldn't have done what

00:12:52.220 you did without it.

00:12:53.120 But you didn't say it was necessary, though.

00:12:54.740 Is there a reason why you didn't say it was necessary?

00:12:56.460 It's not up to me to decide if it's necessary or if it meets the threshold.

00:13:00.080 It's about, will it be useful to law enforcement?

00:13:02.900 Is there any gaps or any problems?

00:13:05.040 If we were trying to enforce it, I thought it was useful.

00:13:08.120 I thought it was needed.

00:13:09.760 Now, obviously, I have the benefit of hindsight.

00:13:12.380 We wouldn't have been able to do the enforcement actions as safe as we did.

00:13:15.820 We wouldn't have been able to keep the people at that protest as safe as they were.

00:13:19.540 And it wouldn't have been concluded in the short time frame it was if it wasn't for the

00:13:23.640 emergency.

00:13:24.240 But just the audacity, really, in hindsight, like you're not capable of making decisions

00:13:31.880 that aren't even, you know, there was a buildup to the EA.

00:13:37.320 So we're being led to believe, at least.

00:13:39.420 It wasn't just something that was like, we need to decide in three seconds if we're going

00:13:44.220 to invoke this Emergencies Act.

00:13:46.100 This was talked about before, prior to.

00:13:48.660 Actually, I know for a fact they talked about it on the 10th of February between the deputy

00:13:54.240 minister's meeting.

00:13:56.440 So in hindsight, like you had days to think about this.

00:13:59.280 I'm sure Justin Trudeau had from the moment he heard about the convoy to the 14th to think

00:14:05.620 about it.

00:14:06.200 And he still went forward with it.

00:14:08.240 So why do we have people in a position of leadership that aren't capable of making calls

00:14:15.060 when it is their job to be able to protect Canadians to the best of their ability?

00:14:19.560 And she's, I mean, she showed her incompetence. 1.00

00:14:22.000 But why do you think that this is happening in this country?

00:14:24.100 Yeah, I don't know what to say about that.

00:14:27.340 But just watching what she responded to, it was like a circle of information.

00:14:33.120 It was not clear at all.

00:14:34.880 She started with the right answer, saying that it's not for her to suggest or justify whether

00:14:40.920 or not the Emergencies Act is necessary.

00:14:42.940 And that's correct.

00:14:43.780 CSIS is the only one that should do that.

00:14:46.380 But then when she goes on and saying, well, it was helpful and it was needed, well, why

00:14:51.540 didn't you talk to the federal government about that on February 13th?

00:14:55.320 Because we know you didn't.

00:14:56.900 And how does that affect anything when you're not the one to make the call?

00:15:02.200 So what is she saying?

00:15:03.500 Hindsight is 20-20.

00:15:04.640 When I rewatched that clip just now, it actually became more confusing.

00:15:08.360 It's like she's trying to confuse the public.

00:15:10.940 She's trying to confuse Canadians. 0.96

00:15:13.120 And that is so improper on so many levels.

00:15:16.260 Again, I'm taking it back to the OPP officers and the commissioner of the OPP.

00:15:21.740 You should get straight, clear and competent answers from policing authorities.

00:15:26.720 I have no idea what she said after watching that the second time.

00:15:31.060 Of course.

00:15:31.660 Well, that's all their tactics.

00:15:35.100 You say a bunch of words and it don't mean anything.

00:15:37.820 We see liberal politicians do that all the time in all of their press conference.

00:15:42.080 That's Justin Trudeau's favorite tactic.

00:15:43.700 But looking back at Brenda Lucky's testimony, I'm curious about that, though.

00:15:46.940 You said that it was only CSIS responsibility to decide whether or not the Emergencies Act

00:15:51.860 was necessary.

00:15:53.200 It was only the responsibility to look at whether or not the threshold under Section 2 was

00:15:57.480 actually met.

00:15:59.060 So just out of curiosity, what is everyone else doing here at the commission if it's not CSIS?

00:16:04.220 Yeah, you know, and I think that's what we're getting at with some of Brendan's questions.

00:16:08.040 Because that was the last question he had to the CBSA agent.

00:16:13.100 Okay.

00:16:13.460 And that's why I said next.

00:16:14.780 That is a very good question.

00:16:16.840 And he did put that to somebody, I think, yesterday.

00:16:20.100 He was like, so was there any agency or any enforcement agency that suggested that you needed the

00:16:29.740 Emergencies Act?

00:16:31.560 I really am having a hard time.

00:16:33.780 And this is why I'm feeling a little bit bad for Canadians that, again, looking at the budgets

00:16:40.440 of these departments and agencies, and I don't know why they're here.

00:16:46.300 I don't think they know why they're here.

00:16:47.920 No, I totally agree with that.

00:16:50.980 I think this has just become a big, what's that, the board game where you're trying to

00:16:57.320 figure out the mystery and you don't know who did it.

00:16:59.440 What is that, Clue?

00:17:00.540 Clue, yeah.

00:17:01.540 I wish that the Canadian government would get a clue, by the way.

00:17:05.700 But seriously, in regards to her testimony, it's very confusing.

00:17:10.780 It's very confusing.

00:17:11.740 And then what she says off record is even more confusing.

00:17:14.000 I feel like my life has become kind of like a psyop in a way.

00:17:18.200 Like there's all this information from these people that I grow up and I learn that I'm

00:17:22.000 supposed to trust because they're going to make the decisions to protect me.

00:17:25.120 I don't feel very protected as a Canadian.

00:17:27.700 Yeah.

00:17:27.900 And, you know, I don't want to leave it on a super negative note here.

00:17:30.660 I do want to leave it on a positive note.

00:17:32.960 And what I do hope that this actually brings to light for Canadians that we just have to

00:17:39.540 be way more involved in our government, in politics, so that we don't get blindsided like

00:17:46.260 this again.

00:17:46.860 Because now I think this is, I think this inquiry is great so that we could really see

00:17:51.340 what, where the competency is, where the incompetency is as well.

00:17:55.640 And we know we have to really take part in these democratic processes and be involved.

00:18:02.060 Yeah.

00:18:02.440 Just continue on, Brenda, Lucky.

00:18:04.180 Let's show clip number two, which is another part of my testimony, not my testimony, sorry,

00:18:08.280 my interview with her during the media scrum.

00:18:11.560 Another question that I asked her.

00:18:13.780 Let's take a look at that.

00:18:16.540 You said during your testimony that you didn't know if you needed a court order to seize

00:18:19.980 the bank accounts as freeze assets.

00:18:21.860 The act wasn't seizing, right?

00:18:23.620 No.

00:18:23.760 The act was freezing?

00:18:24.700 I don't know if that changes anything.

00:18:27.800 I think that's a legal question.

00:18:29.360 Yeah, I'm not sure.

00:18:30.180 Is there a reason why you weren't aware that you needed a court order to do that?

00:18:33.620 No, the seizing, I knew that you needed a court order.

00:18:36.020 I wasn't sure on the freezing because we've never done the freezing of accounts.

00:18:40.000 Obviously, when we seize accounts, that's a different aspect.

00:18:42.700 But the freezing was pretty new to me and I haven't looked at it any further.

00:18:46.820 And that goes a little bit to what you were saying earlier about her not knowing that you

00:18:51.640 were supposed to have a court order to seize bank accounts, freeze assets.

00:18:57.240 Well, you're the top law enforcement person in Canada.

00:19:02.140 So it's really embarrassing that you don't know what the law is.

00:19:06.260 I think that's the whole thing, embarrassing.

00:19:08.800 I think that's the word to describe Brenda Luckin.

00:19:11.740 There's also another thing that came out during her testimony.

00:19:13.840 She's not the one that said it, but it still came out during her testimony.

00:19:17.540 There's a picture that I sent about notes that were taken.

00:19:20.820 If you could put that up on the screen.

00:19:23.540 notes that were taken about what Bill Blair said during perhaps the meeting, perhaps the

00:19:29.600 call.

00:19:29.880 It's a note where you see some yellow highlighting, some blue highlighting.

00:19:34.100 All right.

00:19:34.460 Let's zoom in on the yellow highlighting because that's the important part.

00:19:39.900 And you might have some issue reading what is written, but I was able to depict it.

00:19:45.880 So if we can zoom in a little bit.

00:19:46.920 All right.

00:19:47.120 So it's Minister Blair.

00:19:48.120 So that's what Minister Blair said.

00:19:50.280 It says despite throwing Ottawa under the bus, praising OPP for the work at Windsor, which

00:19:56.960 probably means the Windsor blockades, the Windsor protests that were there.

00:20:00.120 And when he refers to Ottawa police, when he refers to Ottawa, he means the Ottawa police.

00:20:04.740 And that was made clear during the testimony yesterday.

00:20:08.180 So, I mean, what are we supposed to understand from that, from what Minister Bill Blair said

00:20:14.820 about throwing Ottawa under the bus, throwing the OPP under the bus, effectively throwing

00:20:19.360 Peter slowly under the bus and praising the OPP?

00:20:23.480 Well, yeah, you just see that these people aren't working together.

00:20:28.380 So here they are.

00:20:29.420 And you said this, Celine, earlier.

00:20:31.540 Nobody's working together on any levels, yet they're all crying for more resources.

00:20:36.700 Maybe the OPP didn't.

00:20:38.040 That might have been one of the agencies that hasn't.

00:20:40.880 But everyone else is saying that.

00:20:43.440 But it's really a clear lack of confidence in one another, working together.

00:20:49.580 And again, it's just shameful for Canada to have to witness this on a national scale.

00:20:56.840 Yeah, no, for sure.

00:20:57.660 I totally agree with you.

00:20:58.800 I'm not sure what else, honestly, I have to add to it.

00:21:00.960 Like, I really do entirely agree with what you just said.

00:21:03.600 It's, I stand with you there, yeah.

00:21:05.600 Yeah.

00:21:05.820 Is there another thing that we haven't touched on regarding Brenda Luckey's testimony that you think would be relevant for our viewers to know about what she had to say?

00:21:14.620 Or do you think we did everything?

00:21:15.700 I think we did a pretty good analysis.

00:21:17.460 Yeah, so basically showed the incompetency, showed an embarrassment that Brenda Luckey is. 1.00

00:21:22.980 She did it all herself, let's be honest.

00:21:25.180 She really did, yeah.

00:21:26.020 Brenda Luckey goes to bed early.

00:21:28.320 We also learned that.

00:21:29.460 Her bedtime's 10 p.m., yeah.

00:21:30.740 Keep that in mind, yeah.

00:21:31.700 She went to bed early during what was supposed to be a national threat, a threat to national security.

00:21:36.380 An insurrection movement.

00:21:37.240 Yeah, exactly.

00:21:38.260 What is going on?

00:21:39.160 And no one's working together.

00:21:40.700 All right, from today's testimony, Brendan's cross-examination, we saw at some point, so he was supposed to cross-examine the witness first, the two witnesses first.

00:21:49.000 But then, as he was coming on the stand, the government of Canada objected to him cross-examining the witness.

00:21:55.320 I don't think that we have the clip, but I know that's what happened the first time, which is why then he cross-examined afterwards.

00:22:02.320 Why did that happen?

00:22:04.040 Okay, so the rules that the commission has set up is that two days before you're cross-examining a witness, you're asked to put the documents.

00:22:13.820 You have to email the documents that you're going to put to the witness, possibly.

00:22:17.980 So two days before any witness, we're doing that by five o'clock.

00:22:21.320 The commission has given a bit of leeway on that.

00:22:26.240 But what is incredibly frustrating here is that the government of Canada has been dumping, they've been doing a data dump on all parties, and there's been thousands of documents in the last few days being uploaded.

00:22:41.640 We have to talk.

00:22:43.720 Okay, let's switch.

00:22:45.000 Yeah, we can get you some water.

00:22:47.120 So, yeah, so basically there were a lot of documents that the government of Canada, sorry, sent to all the parties extremely late in the commission from, I think what was seen, it was close to 3,000 documents that were sent pretty late.

00:23:00.000 Which is crazy.

00:23:00.900 So that's a lot of documents.

00:23:02.300 And then Brendan Miller, from what was said by the government of Canada today, while the initial examination was taking place, he sent three documents to the other councils, and then the government of Canada complained basically that they did not have time to review the documents with the witnesses, and that they needed time during the break to review the document.

00:23:25.940 So Brendan Miller had to refrain himself from cross-examining Michael Keenan and Christopher Dea at first, and had to do it.

00:23:37.000 I think he was the third one to do it.

00:23:39.380 I mean, that's incredible.

00:23:40.600 To be entirely honest, I had to step away momentarily, so I'm very sad to have missed Miller time today, the second time around at least, because, I mean, for the most part we've seen, really, Rillo has been very impartial.

00:23:53.300 But what I've noticed lately, and let me know if you agree with me on this or not, but it seems like recently there's been a lot of, like, cutting back time.

00:24:02.040 We're not being as lenient, I've noticed, with providing Convoy Corp lawyer Brendan Miller with a little bit of additional time, where he's been very lenient in a lot of other situations with the other lawyers, and granting them five, sometimes ten minutes or more, I've noticed.

00:24:18.100 So what do you think about that?

00:24:19.500 Well, you know, what I found surprising is that the government of Canada has no issue, once again, sending 3,000 documents to the other council on Remembrance Day.

00:24:28.460 But they have a lot of trouble receiving three documents that, from my understanding, were already made to the public.

00:24:36.600 They were open-sources documents.

00:24:38.920 They had trouble with these three documents.

00:24:40.740 They were totally fine with sending 3,000 of them.

00:24:43.620 And they claimed that this was breaching the rules, that this was breaking the rules, what Brendan Miller said.

00:24:49.240 So I thought it was a little bit hypocritical, and I thought it was a little bit funny.

00:24:52.600 All right, let's go to a quick ad break.

00:24:54.320 When we come back, we'll go further into today's testimony, and we'll continue to discuss, well, this joke that is the emergency act inquiry.

00:25:02.020 Let's take a quick break.

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00:26:53.680 We are back.

00:26:54.420 Our apologies for the little technical difficulties.

00:26:58.160 So where were we at?

00:26:59.480 What were you saying?

00:27:00.860 Well, I was just talking about how DOJ is dumping documents on us, and then I couldn't talk anymore because they're keeping us up late at night, all day, all the time.

00:27:09.060 And then, like we were saying, even one of the documents that Brendan wanted to cross-examine on today was delivered to us today.

00:27:17.600 And then they're saying, you're breaching the rules by doing this late, and it's a lose-lose situation for us here.

00:27:24.420 But yeah, this is a tactic that organizations, unfortunately, like the DOJ does.

00:27:30.160 Wait, so one of the documents that they were complaining about having received too late from you guys, they sent it today.

00:27:37.120 And then they complained about you not sending it in advance.

00:27:40.180 Well, maybe that wasn't the one specific they were talking about because that would be a little bit silly. 0.56

00:27:46.000 I see.

00:27:46.580 But there were a couple other ones at the same time that just were put together.

00:27:50.680 So I don't think that they were arguing specifically about that one, but the other ones that – and they were just a bit more resource-based.

00:27:59.600 It wasn't a secret hidden document.

00:28:02.760 It was a public document to help contextualize the questions. 0.89

00:28:07.380 So the fact that they take offense on this, it's just a bit silly.

00:28:12.360 Again, I'm just going to use that word so it's a bit more professional.

00:28:15.740 I think it's a nicer word than others would use.

00:28:18.920 Just before we let you go, I feel like from Michael Kean's testimony, apart from a cross-examination by Brendan Miller, it's my opinion that we didn't hear a lot of things in relation to the invocation of the Emergency Act in terms of why it was necessary to invoke it or why it was unnecessary to invoke it.

00:28:37.460 I don't know what you think of that.

00:28:39.020 But can you give us a quick rundown of your general impression of Michael Kean's and Christopher J.S. testimony?

00:28:44.120 Yeah, well, like I was saying, there was just a lot of fear talked about and fiction and not fact is where I'm going with it.

00:28:56.360 So there was a lot of discussions about how investors may have worried about it.

00:29:03.680 And in the end, like I think they were there because of the economic impacts.

00:29:07.700 But again, under cross-examination, it was clear that and, you know, using a little bit of common sense, you would think that a protest of a few days with a few trucks are not going to cause massive disruption.

00:29:21.380 How about closing down the country for two years?

00:29:23.780 How about an Arrive Can app that the U.S. doesn't use?

00:29:27.980 How about look at what's actually causing the problem rather than throwing and pointing fingers at a few people that are just frustrated with the government?

00:29:38.240 A hundred percent.

00:29:39.180 Yeah.

00:29:39.740 A hundred percent.

00:29:41.020 Really, I mean, Arrive Can is huge, huge.

00:29:45.280 And to only be talking about it at this point in regards to the borders and it's really, really, it's a miracle, like I said, that this is going on still.

00:29:53.720 Like it really is.

00:29:54.720 It's a big blame game and I'm tired of hearing these bullies.

00:29:59.740 Like honestly, though, like it seems like in a way, it's my opinion, like some of the people that have testified were, let's say it was purposeful to invoke the Emergencies Act without any necessary evidence that would actually provide a reasonable reason to use that invocation of the Emergencies Act.

00:30:22.880 But let's say it was purposeful, right?

00:30:26.060 So it looks like to me, in my opinion, that we have some people that were probably in on it and some people that were bullied and maybe did or didn't consent to being a part of it.

00:30:37.980 And some people that, like today, I was like, why are you telling me about your job description?

00:30:43.880 I don't care what your job is.

00:30:45.300 I cared what part you played in the invocation of the Emergencies Act at the public inquiry that we are here to understand of whether or not this was necessary for literally hours.

00:30:55.760 I mean, there was just a few times I just sit back in my chair and I was like, whoa, this is crazy.

00:31:02.120 This is really crazy.

00:31:03.420 Yeah, I think it happened to all of us.

00:31:04.840 And as we said, if none of them had any clues about threshold of Section 2 of the CSIS Act.

00:31:12.260 Wasn't that provided in their initial statement?

00:31:14.220 And the commission's like, yeah, let's hear you for hours, actually, though, and give cross-examination lawyers three seconds to counter your five hours of speaking.

00:31:24.640 And not only that, if it's only CSIS again, talk to it.

00:31:27.840 Why isn't it only CSIS that's satisfying?

00:31:29.960 I think it's pretty funny to think about it that way.

00:31:31.760 But anyways, that's where we're at.

00:31:33.040 And I think there's a few things that you said that is going to be great for us to talk about later.

00:31:37.140 Thanks so much for coming on.

00:31:38.380 Ev, I hope that you're feeling better right now.

00:31:41.760 And I look forward to having you on again.

00:31:43.940 DOJ, stop throwing documents at us.

00:31:46.800 Shout out.

00:31:47.540 Hear that?

00:31:48.240 Shout out.

00:31:49.260 Let's go to clip number three.

00:31:51.900 A clip of what was set today in relations to Marco Mendicino and the CUDS border blockade.

00:32:00.140 Let's take a look at that.

00:32:02.380 So in the email that we showed you earlier, which we don't need to pull up again, but it's the email where you advise Minister Mendicino in regards to the CUDS port of entry.

00:32:13.720 Do you recall that?

00:32:14.660 Yes.

00:32:14.800 And you also advised him that at 11.05 p.m. local time on February 14th, the RCMP had successfully cleared and opened the north and southbound roads at the Pacific Highway for the resumption of traffic.

00:32:31.320 Is that right?

00:32:31.980 That's correct.

00:32:33.320 And so the traffic flow had resumed.

00:32:35.120 And there were very few protesters remaining on site, which is what you advised him of.

00:32:42.360 Yes.

00:32:44.120 Right.

00:32:44.600 You reopened on February 14th, but because the protesters had cleared on February 13th.

00:32:48.980 That's correct.

00:32:49.760 Right.

00:32:49.900 Honestly, his testimony, we didn't hear a lot.

00:32:58.260 We didn't hear a lot of things in relation to the emergency act directly that would justify or prove that the emergency act was necessary to be used from neither of their testimony.

00:33:09.900 No, you know, and I remember saying that a lot to you today.

00:33:13.240 I was like, there's so many points, you guys, where I was like, both of us, it was like, we know this already.

00:33:18.420 Why are we talking about this?

00:33:20.240 Why are we asking questions when we've already, we've either confirmed these people's statements.

00:33:26.180 I mean, prior to, obviously, everyone got to see them.

00:33:29.220 So why are we still asking these questions that we know the answers to?

00:33:32.720 Why are we going over details we've already confirmed that we already know about?

00:33:37.260 Why aren't we talking to people that will actually provide us some answers?

00:33:40.080 And again, just like we were talking about with Eva, if CSIS is the only intelligence body in Canada that can determine whether or not the invocation of the Emergencies Act is okay, this whole thing should have been CSIS from the beginning.

00:33:53.880 Yeah, it's pretty funny when you actually think about that, like if they're the only ones that can actually say whether or not it was justified.

00:33:59.480 I mean, I don't believe, well, as Eva said, it is just them.

00:34:03.440 But if you look at Section 2 of CSIS, it has to be a threat to national security.

00:34:06.880 That can include espionage or sabotage.

00:34:08.880 That can include, as we saw earlier, intent of committing violence or, you know, plotting to commit violence, inciting someone to have the intent of committing violence.

00:34:22.880 It's all things that we're able to find in a public record.

00:34:25.300 But yeah, it's pretty funny when you think about it.

00:34:26.820 If CSIS is the only one that can actually tell you about the Emergencies Act, why aren't they the only ones testifying?

00:34:32.280 And there's another thing that Eva touched on, that she touched on as well, the Arrive Can app, a disastrous app.

00:34:38.020 I think the consumers are now calling it the Arrive Scam app.

00:34:41.800 Or Arrive Can't.

00:34:43.120 Yeah, it is a disastrous app that was installed by Justin Schultz's liberal government.

00:34:48.460 And we saw earlier, I'm not sure if you were there, but we saw earlier during Brandon Miller's cross-examination, there were American officials that were saying that they were worried about the impact the Arrive Can app would have on cross-border, on cross-country trades.

00:35:06.580 Well, no kidding.

00:35:07.480 The U.S. officials did not want the Arrive Can't app.

00:35:10.040 And the Arrive Can't app caused a lot of traffic, a lot of, you know, difficulties when it came to trading between Canada and the United States.

00:35:17.660 It wasn't just the truckers.

00:35:19.200 It was the Arrive Can app.

00:35:20.480 No, 100%.

00:35:21.240 It was a huge conglomerate of mess-ups from all three divisions of the Canadian government.

00:35:26.120 And then when you bring in a foreign government, we've got our neighbors, right? 0.87

00:35:29.520 We got people from the U.S.

00:35:30.840 We have officials there trying to figure out what's going on.

00:35:32.940 And our government can't seem to get it together.

00:35:35.680 We won't even talk to the people that are literally proclaiming their discomfort, their distaste, and all the horrendous things that we really, we all went through them.

00:35:49.940 We really did. 0.96

00:35:50.660 And so to pretend like there's nothing wrong and you have no idea why there's a massive public outcry going on in your country is the most ignorant thing that I've ever witnessed. 0.95

00:36:00.340 And this, this inquiry is a direct reflection of that. 0.96

00:36:04.480 Oh, for sure.

00:36:04.860 What are all these people testifying if they have no part in the invocation of the Emergencies Act?

00:36:10.320 Really?

00:36:10.700 What is this at the end of the day?

00:36:12.880 What is this?

00:36:13.800 Yeah.

00:36:14.000 Well, that's, yeah.

00:36:14.820 No.

00:36:15.480 Like, are we here to find that out instead?

00:36:17.780 Yeah.

00:36:18.400 And, you know, Brendan Miller was the only one that I found was actually putting out relevant information.

00:36:22.800 So you had him.

00:36:23.460 Honestly, the documents that he, that he put out were extremely interesting documents.

00:36:27.960 And when we talk about the borders and Brendan Miller, it brings us to clip number four, Miller Time, where the former president of the Canadian Border Service Agency told the commission that the CBSA, this, this agency, did not receive any info about threats to Canada from the U.S. intel agency during the Freedom Convoy protest.

00:36:49.120 Let's take a look at clip number four.

00:36:50.660 It's fair to say that throughout the protest, and at least based on the disclosure, the agencies in the United States, such as the FBI, et cetera, they did not provide the CBSA or the Five Eyes any form of information with respect to any threat to Canada.

00:37:04.600 Is that fair?

00:37:05.900 I wouldn't be aware of that exactly.

00:37:08.080 I think you'd probably better talk to those like Communication Security Establishment and or CSIS to find that out.

00:37:16.020 Right, but nothing to, was brought to your attention as the president of the CBSA with respect to any sort of threat to Canada coming from the United States during the protests.

00:37:28.500 Is that fair?

00:37:29.580 That's correct.

00:37:30.500 Right.

00:37:31.040 And so, of course, you never relayed such information to cabinet or to any of the political executive because you weren't given any.

00:37:40.000 I believe that to be true, yes.

00:37:41.460 And it's fair to say that.

00:37:44.340 Even if it shows.

00:37:46.740 All right.

00:37:47.320 Are we back on?

00:37:48.120 Perfect.

00:37:48.680 Even if it shows that he had no clue whether he had no authority to determine whether or not it was actually met, special, it was actually met.

00:37:56.560 He knew that.

00:37:57.080 You could hear it.

00:37:57.660 He's like, I have no heart in this, dude.

00:37:59.140 Yeah, but no one told him that it was.

00:38:01.640 No CSIS agent, no CSIS official told him.

00:38:06.060 Yeah.

00:38:06.400 As the former president of the CBSA, not a single CSIS official told him that the threshold was met.

00:38:14.060 Not a single one.

00:38:15.300 Are you surprised?

00:38:16.920 I'm not surprised.

00:38:18.080 I bet none of you guys are surprised either.

00:38:20.560 I mean, you can even hear it in his voice.

00:38:22.920 He's like, really, I feel like if I can analyze his tonality as well as his micro expressions and his body language, the way he's answering the question so point blank without even needing to think about what comes out of his mouth.

00:38:37.940 He seriously is like, I was left out of this.

00:38:40.680 I have no idea why I'm here, why I'm providing this testimony.

00:38:44.320 You know this information.

00:38:45.620 CSIS determined that there wasn't a threat well before the Emergencies Act was invoked.

00:38:49.900 So, it's very frustrating.

00:38:51.980 Yeah, all the relevant questions relating to, all the relevant questions actually related to the Emergencies Act that were asked by Brendan Miller.

00:39:00.120 They all seem to have trouble answering them strictly today.

00:39:04.980 You know, Brendan often asked, what's the name of the second witness, a deputy minister.

00:39:10.820 Oh, what, from the second testimony?

00:39:12.760 Yeah, Transport Canada.

00:39:14.600 Oh, Michael.

00:39:16.340 Michael Keenan.

00:39:16.960 Keenan, yeah.

00:39:17.520 Brendan Miller often asked Michael Keenan about straight yes or no questions, and he could never give a straight yes or no answer.

00:39:26.160 I think it tells a lot.

00:39:27.560 But it reminds me of something, and I think we can find a clip easily.

00:39:31.080 We played it from yesterday's live stream.

00:39:33.480 Yesterday, Brenda Lucky also had trouble answering Brendan Miller's question properly. 0.98

00:39:39.520 She had trouble answering them.

00:39:41.740 Brendan Miller would ask her questions specifically about the RCMP, and she had no clue how to answer them.

00:39:48.080 But she was able to answer a virtue-signaling woke question about how they are inclusive to BIPOC people, how they are inclusive to minority people.

00:39:59.420 Yeah, and she was able, it was her lengthiest answer.

00:40:01.760 Yeah, systemic racism in Canada.

00:40:03.920 Yeah, that's the only long answer that she was actually able to give.

00:40:09.260 At one point, I also recall she was being asked a question.

00:40:12.740 It wasn't even by Brendan Miller.

00:40:14.280 She was being asked a question, and you could tell she didn't like the direction it was going into, but it wasn't her job to say, where are we going with this?

00:40:23.400 That's usually something that the lawyers will impose, her counsel would impose if they believed that the line of questioning from the lawyer cross-examining her was out of line.

00:40:31.980 And she herself said it.

00:40:34.360 You remember this.

00:40:35.420 Is that correct?

00:40:36.160 Yeah, you remember that happening?

00:40:37.400 I was very shocked.

00:40:38.300 I was like, it's your job to be up there, provide your testimony, and answer questions to the best of your ability.

00:40:43.760 You've answered nothing to the best of your ability, and that's been the most comprehensible thing that I can take away from this,

00:40:51.180 is that we have a leader in policing, in policing, that is so incompetent that she can't even answer questions directly. 0.99

00:40:58.660 I know we weren't really going to bring it back to that, but seriously, when you're only answering woke questions that promote an agenda,

00:41:04.380 and you spend two minutes on it, and you could recall your bedtime, but you could recall who was at very specific meetings.

00:41:11.360 Here we go.

00:41:11.720 We can take a look at this clip.

00:41:12.860 Take a look.

00:41:13.220 And are you aware of dynamics of systemic racism and specifically anti-Indigenous discrimination in policing

00:41:21.220 and responding to public order or emergency events?

00:41:26.640 As a result of the IPRWASH, in regards to the IPRWASH report?

00:41:31.560 No, just broadly within the RCMP.

00:41:34.800 Are you aware of dynamics of systemic racism and policing of Indigenous peoples?

00:41:39.000 We are doing a lot of initiatives within the RCMP in regards to systemic racism.

00:41:45.200 We've introduced some new courses that we've actually made available to all police agencies,

00:41:50.280 Uniting Against Racism, Cultural Awareness and Humility courses,

00:41:56.380 providing we're updating our curriculums at our training academy.

00:42:00.480 We also have the blanket exercise that is at our training academy,

00:42:06.680 and that is available for all employees of the RCMP.

00:42:10.240 And it's all about—and we've reviewed our whole recruiting process to make sure there's no systemic barriers

00:42:16.060 to prevent Indigenous people but also the BIPOC community entering into the RCMP. 0.99

00:42:22.900 In our recruiting, we're trying to be more progressive in our proactive recruiters

00:42:28.620 so that we would be able to have more Indigenous people in the RCMP

00:42:33.840 because it's more representative of the communities we serve.

00:42:37.500 And I think it would make our—would strengthen our organization

00:42:40.380 to have more Indigenous people as police officers in the RCMP

00:42:44.540 so we can connect with those communities.

00:42:46.900 We do try to have people that are Indigenous to go to Indigenous communities that can assist us.

00:42:57.400 But also, you know, we do have a higher-than-average percentage in the government

00:43:02.940 for Indigenous employees, but it's not something—it's not very high in general.

00:43:08.700 It's at about 7 percent.

00:43:10.040 And I think we need to have—I think if we had a greater diversity within our organization,

00:43:15.420 it would bode well for working in Indigenous communities,

00:43:20.020 working with Indigenous people on protecting their, you know, rights

00:43:25.420 and allowing them peaceful protest.

00:43:28.440 Okay.

00:43:29.620 I haven't seen her give an answer that long throughout her whole testimony.

00:43:33.620 Yeah, like, we didn't even get through the whole clip last night because—

00:43:38.040 as—anyway, we didn't get through the whole clip last night if you saw that livestream.

00:43:42.580 So you can see so blatantly that it was her—it's been her choice in how she answers questions.

00:43:50.760 I don't believe for a second that this woman is forgetting basic information.

00:43:54.460 I don't—I don't think for a moment that she's not able to recall basic details

00:43:59.180 from her day-to-day as a police officer, as the commission of the RCMP.

00:44:03.060 But she will go on for more than two minutes consecutively to talk about another thing

00:44:09.180 that promotes the woke-left agenda.

00:44:11.760 What is your take on that?

00:44:15.040 Well, you know, to the contrary of you, I do believe that she's able to because she's incompetent. 1.00

00:44:18.720 And we saw that she's incompetent. 1.00

00:44:20.100 So I don't have any trouble believing her when she says she doesn't remember anything

00:44:23.820 because it's not surprising.

00:44:25.920 But one thing that she said before, you know, it shows how weak she is as a leader.

00:44:30.040 For sure.

00:44:30.840 And here's one thing.

00:44:32.860 She answered my questions.

00:44:35.740 She answered media questions.

00:44:37.900 She answered tough questions.

00:44:39.140 Yeah.

00:44:39.660 Justin Trudeau, my favorite minister, Omar Al-Jabra, are not even able to answer simple questions

00:44:46.060 by Rebel News.

00:44:47.060 But this weak leader was able to answer our questions.

00:44:50.960 So what does this say about Justin Trudeau?

00:44:52.680 You know, I don't even have an answer because all of this is honestly so crazy.

00:44:59.960 Like, you would never think that this would actually be happening right now.

00:45:02.760 Like, in a perfect world, you have politicians that, I mean, why do you become a politician?

00:45:09.200 Is it not to serve?

00:45:11.040 Is it not to be of service to the people that you are supposed to govern?

00:45:14.980 I think that involves talking to them, but they do their job so well that they don't

00:45:19.340 only not answer our questions as Rebel Media, but they also just won't talk to protesters

00:45:23.400 that go against the narratives that they're promoting.

00:45:25.960 So, you know, talking about Al-Jabra, there's a clip that I sent later on, the clip number

00:45:30.220 eight.

00:45:31.400 Al-Jabra was brought up during Brandon Miller's cross-examination.

00:45:35.780 I think that he pronounced Omar Al-Gabra's name properly during his cross-examination.

00:45:40.680 I think he did.

00:45:41.360 He had some trouble with Marco Mendocino, but I think he pronounced Omar's name properly.

00:45:46.160 Yeah, Al-Jabra came up during the cross-examination.

00:45:48.660 Clip number eight.

00:45:49.480 Let's take a look at that.

00:45:54.520 Clip number eight.

00:45:55.640 All right.

00:45:55.860 Well, it's one of the clips that I sent.

00:45:58.580 Oh, there you go.

00:46:00.180 And that's to Minister Mendocino, the Minister of Public Safety.

00:46:03.800 You know who he is?

00:46:05.640 Yes, I do.

00:46:06.760 And he also forwards it to Minister Al-Gaur, the Minister of Transport.

00:46:11.360 I know Minister Al-Gabra well.

00:46:12.980 Right.

00:46:13.320 And he's the minister that you report to?

00:46:16.980 Yes.

00:46:17.720 Right.

00:46:18.440 And he didn't pass this on to you?

00:46:24.480 To my memory and knowledge, he did not pass this on to me.

00:46:29.040 Right.

00:46:30.720 But, you know, as the Deputy Minister of Transport, as the highest, essentially, civil servant within

00:46:38.340 that ministry, isn't this sort of information something important that you should know?

00:46:43.260 Well, I think you have to understand the context.

00:46:47.180 Transport Canada, Minister of Transport gets a massive amount of correspondence.

00:46:52.560 I get a massive amount of correspondence on something like this, on an exchange between

00:46:57.520 an MP and the minister.

00:47:00.480 I may or may not see it depending upon the nature and the context.

00:47:08.640 That's all organized our government is.

00:47:12.560 That's how organized our government officials are.

00:47:15.220 This man is basically the second one right after Omar Al-Ghabra.

00:47:19.920 He's the highest-ranking official, one of the highest-ranking officials after Omar Al-Ghabra.

00:47:25.100 And Omar Al-Ghabra did not provide some important information about transportation.

00:47:29.940 And guess who he is?

00:47:31.140 The Deputy Minister of Transportation.

00:47:34.380 Well, I mean, as a deputy minister, that's supposed to be your right-hand man.

00:47:38.160 You know what I mean?

00:47:38.860 Like, in that position, you're really there to be of assistance in any way, shape, or form

00:47:42.720 that you can to the minister that you are serving under.

00:47:46.240 And when information like that isn't passed on, that's like not being cc'd on any relevant

00:47:53.440 info that pertains to yourself.

00:47:56.720 It's like an email chain going on at work, and you are exclusively cut out of a huge decision

00:48:03.180 going forward.

00:48:03.900 It's really, it's either done blatantly out of respect to their disorganization, or

00:48:11.360 they're just that disorganized.

00:48:14.180 And I really don't know which is worse at this point, really.

00:48:16.780 Yeah, well, that's my thing as well.

00:48:17.900 Is it incompetency or malice?

00:48:19.840 Is it incompetency or just bad intentions?

00:48:22.220 Well, the ministers, it's like they're running a cool kids club.

00:48:24.720 You know, you have all the ministers that are just like, haha, like laughing.

00:48:27.780 They're like, look at what we're doing.

00:48:29.100 This is great.

00:48:30.200 They're the ones that this is all pointing to.

00:48:32.040 And again, I sound like a broken record when I say this, but really, we've gotten down

00:48:35.940 to the bottom of it.

00:48:36.940 Every intelligence agency in Canada has provided their input on the fact that the Emergencies

00:48:41.960 Act was not necessary to invoke, not at all.

00:48:45.100 In fact, there were so many different degrees in which the policing institutions could have

00:48:50.460 gone and already used the tools that were within their legislative powers, and they hit

00:48:56.780 the panic button.

00:48:57.420 So, I think it's more, I lean towards malice, really. 0.99

00:49:02.020 You can't be in those positions and be that ignorant. 0.97

00:49:03.780 There's no way. 1.00

00:49:04.900 There's really no way.

00:49:05.720 Is there?

00:49:06.080 How is this happening?

00:49:07.400 I don't know.

00:49:08.140 I try to keep a nicer mind than yours.

00:49:12.440 Yeah.

00:49:12.720 I try to assume that it's not malice.

00:49:14.720 I try to assume that they do have the best intentions or just...

00:49:17.000 The ministers?

00:49:18.080 Well, the ministers, Brenda Lucky, deputy minister.

00:49:20.200 No, no, I'm talking about the liberal ministers, like Algebra, Mendicino, Mendicino.

00:49:27.660 Mendicino, yeah.

00:49:28.760 Mendicino.

00:49:29.900 He didn't pronounce Algebra's name right.

00:49:32.200 I think he said Algebra.

00:49:34.140 Yeah, but the other guy retorted the same.

00:49:36.200 Yeah, anyway, it's always very funny.

00:49:37.760 All right, let's take a look at clip number six of our great government officials talking

00:49:43.080 about the coups border blockade and how, according to them, it was one of the biggest things to

00:49:48.120 affect the economy of Canada, even though we were all locked up for two years due to

00:49:52.540 who?

00:49:52.880 Justin Trudeau.

00:49:53.740 Take a look at that.

00:49:55.000 The concerns you outlined, Mr. Keenan, about Canada's reputation and attracting investment,

00:50:02.080 was that more top of mind than the importation of critical goods?

00:50:09.740 What was most important in your mind at that time?

00:50:12.280 I think both were really important.

00:50:15.000 The importation of critical goods is a here and now problem that puts the health and safety

00:50:19.440 of Canadians at risk.

00:50:21.500 And the investment confidence is a future economic prospects issue that puts future really good,

00:50:31.840 high-paying jobs at risk.

00:50:33.360 And both of them are important.

00:50:37.400 The concerns you already...

00:50:38.940 I don't remember, but when this started, when this whole thing started, and even back

00:50:43.580 in February, Christian Freeland said that due to the Freedom Convoy, due to the blockades,

00:50:49.080 foreign investors would have trouble trusting Canada as a place to invest their money.

00:50:55.500 He basically just said the exact same thing.

00:50:57.220 I didn't notice it until now.

00:50:58.380 She said that.

00:50:58.980 But in my opinion, I think that blocking your whole country, blocking down your people for 1.00

00:51:04.300 two straight years is even worse for the economy than blocking those border crossings for merely

00:51:12.200 two weeks.

00:51:13.080 And we saw that even if some of them were blocked, other ones had a bigger influx than

00:51:19.180 they usually do.

00:51:19.940 So even though one was blocked by and the influx was reduced by 8%, all of the other ones around 0.99

00:51:27.320 it got up.

00:51:29.420 Well, that's just the thing, right?

00:51:30.640 So yeah, no one is talking about those things.

00:51:33.520 Like we shouldn't even be getting into these details again if we're here to just understand

00:51:37.360 if the emergencies actually have been invoked or not.

00:51:42.040 But when they're bringing in all these other details, it does draw the mind towards even

00:51:45.900 questioning further than that.

00:51:47.140 So when you bring up the fact that obviously there would have been large economic impacts

00:51:51.300 from locking down a country for two years, I mean, myself alone, the amount of small businesses

00:51:58.520 that I personally know that closed down, again, who stayed open?

00:52:02.760 The large change corporations like Walmart, Costco's, liquor depots, et cetera, that all remained

00:52:11.540 open.

00:52:12.020 And so at that point, at that point, there's bound to be some sort of implication, but they're

00:52:19.200 not talking about those things.

00:52:20.420 They're just trying to point fingers. 0.94

00:52:21.740 And it's really, really ridiculous. 0.91

00:52:23.640 Yeah, totally.

00:52:25.560 You know, before I would say that the ones that I am the most excited to hear about is

00:52:30.100 the liberal cabinet.

00:52:31.600 Before I would say, you know, the one I'm extremely excited to hear about Justin Trudeau.

00:52:35.460 I'm extremely excited to hear about Christian Freeland.

00:52:37.580 And I think in a certain way, I still am.

00:52:40.340 But the ones now that I'm truly the most excited to hear about are CSIS officials, because everyone

00:52:47.180 is putting their blame on CSIS.

00:52:48.580 Well, they are the ones that could have known.

00:52:50.380 They are the ones that should have known.

00:52:51.540 They are the ones that could have told us.

00:52:53.100 And they said it.

00:52:53.900 Yeah.

00:52:54.040 Blank in the beginning.

00:52:54.900 And I'm sure the cabinet is going to say the same thing.

00:52:56.940 But when we hear CSIS officials say their testimony, and some of it will be blocked

00:53:02.360 due to the in-camera ex parte ruling by Commissioner Rouleau.

00:53:06.620 But when we hear them, we will actually see, okay, well, was it a threat to national security?

00:53:12.480 Was it actually necessary to invoke the Emergency Act?

00:53:16.800 Because they're the ones that can tell you if it's a threat to national security.

00:53:20.500 You know, for those that don't know what CSIS is, I did a video about it recently.

00:53:24.260 But basically, CSIS is the same thing as the FBI in the United States.

00:53:28.780 But CSIS is in Canada.

00:53:30.240 It's Canada's anti-terrorism agency, essentially.

00:53:34.720 The largest Canadian intelligence agency that we have.

00:53:39.400 So they're truly the ones who are going to be able to say whether or not the Emergency

00:53:44.740 Act was necessary due to the convoy.

00:53:48.060 And again, they did.

00:53:49.260 Like they did.

00:53:50.100 And we heard this very early on.

00:53:51.560 The OPS, the OPP, the RCMP, they all received the same intelligence reports.

00:53:57.100 The OPS, OPP, WPS, all of the policing agencies that were at the time on the ground, they all

00:54:04.400 reported the same thing as well, that they didn't think that there was an actual threat.

00:54:08.860 They were seeing the evidence.

00:54:10.300 Well, yeah.

00:54:10.640 And there wasn't a threat at the blockades, the borders.

00:54:13.300 There was 360, the whole thing, all the way around.

00:54:16.900 There was no threat that could be detected.

00:54:21.420 Yeah.

00:54:22.000 No, it's actually incredible when you think about it, that we have all of these witnesses.

00:54:25.080 I think today's the first time that I actually caught on that.

00:54:27.600 We have all of these witnesses that keep putting the blame on CSIS, that keep saying, well,

00:54:32.940 CSIS is just a responsibility to know that.

00:54:35.080 Why don't we just cut the inquiry from six weeks to one week and just interrogate all

00:54:40.400 of the CSIS officials?

00:54:41.400 Why don't we just do that?

00:54:42.380 No, no.

00:54:42.660 You get the top.

00:54:44.120 You get the one day.

00:54:45.740 It's all you need is one day.

00:54:46.900 You get the top rated CSIS representative in the same room as Justin Trudeau, Mendocino,

00:54:54.180 Mendocino, and Algebra.

00:54:57.180 And boom, you figure it out right then and there.

00:54:59.840 Because I think all direction is going to point towards those ministers, not CSIS.

00:55:03.340 CSIS said it from the beginning.

00:55:04.380 They did their job.

00:55:05.280 They instructed the police the best of their ability.

00:55:07.620 As far as I'm concerned, that's my opinion.

00:55:09.540 Let us know in the comments if you think differently.

00:55:11.220 But through the evidence, we saw that they were able to provide the intel that was needed

00:55:14.720 and that was necessary.

00:55:16.220 Ministers still chose different, didn't even instruct their deputy ministers on what was

00:55:20.560 going on.

00:55:21.120 So boom, right there.

00:55:23.140 A lack of communication.

00:55:24.400 I think another mandate from the commission, I think a lot of people forget about this,

00:55:27.940 including myself sometimes.

00:55:29.600 Another mandate from the commission is to provide suggestions on how to act better.

00:55:33.560 Or in the future.

00:55:35.640 So I look forward to seeing the suggestions that come out of Justice Rouleau's decision

00:55:43.120 at the end.

00:55:43.980 We're going to see if he remains impartial.

00:55:46.860 Again, he has so far.

00:55:47.940 But the more that we get into this, you guys, the more we realize that we've been going in

00:55:52.420 circles.

00:55:52.720 And if we can figure that out, I am certain that Commissioner Rouleau has also figured that

00:55:57.840 out.

00:55:58.020 So of course, let's see what he says, let's see what he does going forward.

00:56:01.600 Yeah.

00:56:01.780 And Cease is going to be next week.

00:56:02.940 So next week is going to be interesting.

00:56:03.960 We have the cabinet ministers and we have Cease.

00:56:06.620 So we're sure we're going to be this week.

00:56:07.700 They saved us for last.

00:56:08.460 I mean, goodness.

00:56:10.640 No, for sure.

00:56:11.600 All right.

00:56:12.000 Well, we're already an hour in.

00:56:13.400 Thank you, everyone, for joining us today.

00:56:15.860 Just one announcement before we leave.

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Rebel News Podcast - November 16, 2022

BREAKDOWN： Trucker Commission Day 24 ｜ RCMP Officer Testifies ｜ Ft. Eva Chipiuk

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