Rebel News Podcast - BREAKDOWN： Trucker Commission Day 26 ｜ Trudeau's top civil servants testify ｜ Ft. Keith Wilson

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00:00:30.000 Oh, hello, good afternoon, good day, everybody,

00:00:32.500 depending on what part of this beautiful country that you're in.

00:00:35.140 Welcome to the Rebel News daily live stream, something we're calling Breakdown.

00:00:39.580 I'm your host, Sheila Gunn-Reed, and I'm surprisingly in studio in Toronto today,

00:00:44.020 and I'm joined by Keith Wilson, one of the lawyers for the convoy.

00:00:49.840 And just to give everybody a little bit of background about what we're going to talk about today,

00:00:53.600 in case you've been living under a rock or consuming a little bit too much CBC.

00:00:58.280 We are covering the Public Order Emergency Commission, what we're calling here Rebel News,

00:01:04.420 the Trucker Commission, and it's the official examination of the actions of the government

00:01:08.340 in invoking the Emergencies Act, a wartime law that suspends civil liberties

00:01:14.360 to extinguish completely peaceful protests in our nation's capital.

00:01:18.800 Justin Trudeau did the old Hugo Chavez move on peaceful anti-regime protesters,

00:01:23.860 and now he has to answer for it.

00:01:27.100 Keith, crazy day today because this, I think this is, for the first time in a long time,

00:01:32.820 we saw some political people testifying again.

00:01:36.420 We saw that at the beginning of the commission with some of the councillors,

00:01:40.920 the busybody councillors, Councillor Fleury and McKinney from the city of Ottawa.

00:01:46.060 But now we're seeing political appointee bureaucrats from Justin Trudeau's closest bureaucrats,

00:01:54.640 the Privy Council, they're testifying to their involvement in the decision to invoke

00:01:59.300 the Emergencies Act.

00:02:00.680 We had Janice Charest, she's the chief clerk of the Privy Council.

00:02:06.340 She is the secretary, the note taker for cabinet.

00:02:09.940 So she's privy to a lot of things.

00:02:13.020 And, you know, I tuned into her testimony later on in the day when they were talking about,

00:02:17.880 you know, the threats, the threats that necessitated the Emergencies Act.

00:02:23.300 And she said at some point, and I'm sure we have the clip,

00:02:28.940 Efron will go to that in a second, but I also promised Efron that I would go to all the clips

00:02:32.760 in order so I wouldn't confuse him.

00:02:34.520 But she did say that, you know, even if there weren't threats,

00:02:40.320 there was sort of this general feeling of threats, and that seemed to be enough.

00:02:45.300 Keith, what's your overall overview?

00:02:47.220 I guess your high-level macro overview of what happened today.

00:02:52.500 Well, I think what we saw today was a breakdown in the rule of law.

00:02:57.260 And what do I mean by that?

00:02:58.920 Like, we hear that expression a lot, and it has many meanings.

00:03:02.020 But its most simplest meaning is what it's contrasted with, is that we used to have in the,

00:03:09.540 you know, the 1400s and the 1500s, and up until the Magna Carta, we used to have rule by man.

00:03:17.040 The king, the king's whims became the law, and the laws changed with the whims of the king.

00:03:24.400 And we were supposed to replace that with the rule of law, which means no, no.

00:03:30.760 Government, the king, the prime minister, can only do that which the law allows him to do.

00:03:36.800 And what we heard today was that the advisors to cabinet, the advisors to the prime minister,

00:03:43.620 they find that a little awkward and, you know, a little inconvenient.

00:03:47.680 So they've decided that they actually get to decide.

00:03:52.120 That's my high-level summary of the remarkable testimony today.

00:03:56.500 You know, that should bring us to our first clip, because Janice Charette, she's the clerk, 1.00

00:04:04.880 she said that she recalled Trudeau government's mindset after introducing a cross-border vaccine mandate for truckers.

00:04:10.640 She told the commission that Canadians were getting a bit fed up with the restrictions and measures.

00:04:16.220 But quickly, and far less patiently, the Trudeau government lost their patience with peaceful protesters in the nation's capital.

00:04:25.960 Why don't we go to clip one, Efron, please?

00:04:27.860 January the 15th, there was a change in the public health measures related to COVID that affected truckers in the country.

00:04:36.040 It affected cross-border traffic.

00:04:37.580 And that change was for truckers that were unvaccinated coming back into the country.

00:04:42.980 They had been previously exempt, and they were now going to be subject to public health measures.

00:04:48.600 And so we were monitoring very closely both the implementation of that measure,

00:04:52.440 as well as talking to the Trucking Association and monitoring,

00:04:56.800 because it was clear that at that point in time, despite the very serious record levels of COVID we were facing,

00:05:03.320 that Canadians were kind of getting a bit fed up at that point in time.

00:05:07.580 With the restrictions and the measures and what they were having to deal with.

00:05:12.500 And so that was very much on our minds.

00:05:17.640 I don't think it was all that much on their minds, because the point of the protest or the catalyst for the protest was the cross-border vaccine mandate for truckers.

00:05:27.560 So it wasn't as though people were getting just sick of the existing restrictions and the never-ending lockdowns.

00:05:34.240 But it was the fact that after, you know, a couple of years of living with this,

00:05:39.980 with hindsight being 2020, they were still adding more restrictions and hindering people's lives and their Section 6 charter rights to move.

00:05:48.480 It's like these people don't talk to normal people at all.

00:05:53.240 That was our impression yesterday, too, coming out of the testimony from some of the officials yesterday,

00:05:59.760 is that, like, these guys live in an upside-down world bubble.

00:06:03.500 It's just remarkable how out of touch.

00:06:07.100 You know, one of the things I really want to say is,

00:06:09.160 I was watching online because I was working on things for this hearing as well as another case.

00:06:17.980 So I wasn't in the hearing room, which was a really good thing,

00:06:20.020 because I was shouting at my screen quite a bit, quite loudly.

00:06:24.480 And one of the things that incensed me was when the senior official yesterday,

00:06:29.040 I think it was the deputy minister,

00:06:30.760 one of the deputy ministers talked about that, you know,

00:06:33.640 we needed to understand that when the borders were closed for a little while,

00:06:36.600 that there was real people who were out of work and couldn't make mortgage payments.

00:06:40.560 I was like, are you kidding me?

00:06:43.040 What about the millions of people you harmed with these excessive lockdowns combined with the provincial governments?

00:06:49.960 What about the over 6 million Canadians who were prevented from being at the side of dying loved ones

00:06:56.200 or at attending weddings in the birth of their first grandchild?

00:07:00.840 The businesses that were lost, the people who were forced out of their work,

00:07:04.620 the thousands and thousands of airport workers alone that the federal government put out of work.

00:07:09.980 It just blew my mind the level of insensitivity and lack of awareness of the harms that their overreach caused,

00:07:19.580 which was the catalyst for the protests becoming so big and multitude.

00:07:24.940 Yeah, it was an added restriction where people said, no, enough is enough.

00:07:29.280 And yet they still can't figure out, like all this time.

00:07:34.640 And they still don't know why so many people left everything behind to go across the country to their nation's capital,

00:07:43.040 to just try to be heard.

00:07:44.420 And even still, they don't know why those people came.

00:07:48.220 It's just astounding to me.

00:07:49.640 We have got another clip.

00:07:51.220 Privy Council bureaucrat Jacqueline Bogdan, she testified that the government began doing its homework on the Emergencies Act

00:07:59.540 as a potential option on and around February 9th.

00:08:04.720 That's a day before the first incident response group meeting and before the act was invoked on February 14th.

00:08:10.080 But that's also in and around the time that you and your people started negotiating, isn't it?

00:08:16.280 So you were working to end the protest, or at least end some of the inconvenience of the protest.

00:08:22.740 And the government, our government, your government, is actively working to treat you like terrorists at the exact same time.

00:08:30.520 Correct.

00:08:31.500 And getting recommendations from their senior officials that they follow the steps that we'd started to take

00:08:38.680 in terms of the leadership of the Freedom Convoy, myself and other lawyers and Tom Marazzo,

00:08:44.140 in terms of trying to negotiate a de-escalation.

00:08:47.100 And it was vetoed at Cabinet.

00:08:48.820 They didn't want de-escalation.

00:08:50.560 No.

00:08:51.120 And you know what?

00:08:51.980 I think that's a theme through all of this, is they keep talking about the violence, the violence,

00:08:56.420 the violence and the threats, or the potential for violence, or the discomfort of the protests.

00:09:01.580 But the convoy was met with extreme force.

00:09:07.560 And not even, as you rightly pointed out once, not even a window was broken.

00:09:12.200 No cops were hurt.

00:09:13.480 No cops were trampled.

00:09:14.820 And the cops were outnumbered everywhere they looked.

00:09:17.540 And so if there were to be mayhem, carnage, mob violence, a riot, there could have been.

00:09:24.640 There never was.

00:09:25.460 Because even in spite of provocation by the state, the convoy remained peaceful.

00:09:31.500 They were not the violent radicals that they were predicted to be, not even for a second,

00:09:38.720 not even when they were provoked.

00:09:40.920 The discipline of the truckers to avoid the provocations was remarkable, right down to,

00:09:47.000 as you know, keeping the streets clean, shoveling the snow, feeding the homeless.

00:09:52.160 The other thing I think about, Sheila, is, you know, we're both from Alberta.

00:09:56.800 Some of those truckers would have gone into their trucks before they left Alberta, you know,

00:10:02.980 especially guys that operate out of their homes on an acreage or a farm, and taken the shotgun out.

00:10:08.840 Oh, for sure.

00:10:09.540 And put it in the safe.

00:10:11.400 Like, there's just the fact that they searched every one of those trucks and found not a single gun meant,

00:10:18.140 and I'm not criticizing, there would be good reasons for some truckers to have a firearm.

00:10:24.520 And so it just showed the extent to which Canadians who participated in this were so focused

00:10:31.080 on staying on message and not giving the government the excuse that it so badly wanted.

00:10:36.660 Yeah, yeah, and it's, you have to give them credit for their savvy, too, their media savvy,

00:10:44.180 because, you know, 22 behind the seat of a grain truck, that's common.

00:10:50.740 Yeah.

00:10:51.560 But if that had made its way all the way to Ottawa, it would have been a real, real media catastrophe

00:10:57.560 for the truckers, but it never was.

00:11:00.540 Efron, why don't you roll clip two?

00:11:02.500 I called for it.

00:11:03.620 I ragged the puck a little bit so you could bring it up.

00:11:05.460 Can you roll it?

00:11:06.880 So when would the Privy Council office have started to do its homework on the Emergencies

00:11:11.840 Act?

00:11:12.240 When would you or somebody in your office have first started to look at it as a potential

00:11:18.020 option?

00:11:25.580 It would have probably been on or around the 9th.

00:11:29.580 Okay, so it would have been only a day before the first meeting of the incident response

00:11:38.860 group when it was being discussed there?

00:11:43.280 Yep.

00:11:44.520 I think that's right.

00:11:45.240 And no work was done on the Emergencies Act before that?

00:11:48.740 So I can't say that definitively.

00:11:53.820 You know, work would have been being done by a lot of different people on an anticipatory

00:11:58.920 basis that, you know, making sure, as I said, that we've done our homework and we would be

00:12:04.540 in a position to answer questions, right?

00:12:06.420 Like if the government turned to the public servants and said, what's involved with invocation

00:12:11.060 of the Act, you need to be able to answer all kinds of first-order questions, right?

00:12:16.880 Everything from the threshold that's to be met to what's the parliamentary process, you

00:12:22.400 know, what kinds of considerations do you want to be thinking about?

00:12:25.780 So I can't say definitively who was working on what.

00:12:29.520 I wasn't directing that work.

00:12:31.040 So I'm not being evasive.

00:12:32.280 I'm just trying to understand it was all hands on deck at that point.

00:12:36.440 And I can't speak to every part of the public service.

00:12:40.720 I feel like I'm listening to Kamala Harris say a lot of words, but actually nothing.

00:12:46.100 She spent a couple of minutes there telling me that there were a lot of people doing things

00:12:50.900 and I'm not quite sure what they were doing.

00:12:52.420 And it sounds a lot like the Ottawa Police Service.

00:12:55.680 However, the ineptitude of bureaucrats and local police do not an emergency constitute.

00:13:03.020 No.

00:13:03.460 And we've seen that with the police and the governmental responses and their infighting

00:13:09.560 and their disorganized, you know, lack of organization and all that nonsense.

00:13:15.000 Incompetency.

00:13:15.860 I've checked the Act again, Sheila.

00:13:18.680 Incompetency is not listed as a ground for invoking the emergencies act, stripping Canadians

00:13:25.620 of their rights, giving unrestricted powers to the federal government to do whatever it wants

00:13:30.100 with your bank account and your assets and interfering in provincial jurisdiction.

00:13:34.840 Incompetency is not the trigger.

00:13:36.800 This is supposed to be used for the equivalent of a war or a civil war.

00:13:42.360 And the prime minister's office decided that he would get to decide when he was going to use it.

00:13:49.980 Yeah. I mean, I don't think we can say that often enough.

00:13:54.000 This is for a 9-11 level event.

00:13:56.760 You know, this is for a Pearl Harbor style strike on the homeland. 0.94

00:14:00.340 This is not for bouncy castles and hot tubs and a little bit of too much jubilancy in the boring streets of Ottawa.

00:14:08.460 You know, that's my real takeaway from all of this is I think the people who live in Ottawa are quite boring.

00:14:12.960 They didn't like all those exciting blue-collar people from the rest of the country just mucking up their white-collar streets. 0.79

00:14:20.140 You're a lawyer, so I'm glad to have you for this next one.

00:14:23.300 We have, I guess she is now the assistant or deputy clerk of the Privy Council office, Natalie Druin.

00:14:32.340 And she says that on the ground, the RCMP didn't have jurisdiction to address the situation prior to invoking the Emergencies Act.

00:14:45.460 And this is an important claim that she's making.

00:14:49.160 However, I don't think it's accurate.

00:14:50.620 And you're the lawyer, so I'll let you decide.

00:14:53.520 But that's one of the grounds for invoking the Emergencies Act is that police didn't have existing tools that they needed to deal with it.

00:14:59.680 But let's watch the clip, and then you can give me your expert legal advice on whether or not this is true.

00:15:06.440 Sure.

00:15:06.700 So all the indicators were towards, it is, you know, the federal government is owning the situation.

00:15:14.160 And yet, on the ground, RCMP, for example, didn't have jurisdiction on Wellington Street.

00:15:21.460 We don't have jurisdiction on routes that brings you to the bridge.

00:15:25.820 So, it feels that we owned it publicly, but we didn't have jurisdiction to address the situation.

00:15:39.360 Is that true?

00:15:40.960 No.

00:15:41.860 Okay.

00:15:42.620 I mean, parts of it, but I mean, welcome to Canada.

00:15:45.660 We have the Division of Powers, right?

00:15:47.300 Right.

00:15:47.480 And it's interesting, being from Alberta, you know, here, you almost never see outside of Ottawa an RCMP cruiser, whereas in Alberta, that's all we see unless you're in one of the cities, right?

00:16:04.340 So, for us in Alberta and out west, D.C., you know, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, the RCMP do the municipal policing, they do the provincial policing, and they do the federal policing.

00:16:16.760 Whereas here, you know, the local Ottawa police do the municipal and the provincial, and then the provincial police do the stuff outside of the cities.

00:16:26.380 And then there's this very limited role for the RCMP, but it's a red herring, because the reality is that they have public order units with the RCMP that were on standby and ready to be deployed.

00:16:40.660 A request to deploy them was made up through the chain, and Commissioner Luckey said, no, not yet.

00:16:47.240 We had the deputization process that was modified to expedite the process of deputizing police so that they could act within the city of Ottawa.

00:16:59.400 They're just red herrings.

00:17:00.680 What I noticed today was they threw these later witnesses that are really speaking from the Prime Minister and the Cabinet Office through Commissioner Luckey under the bus.

00:17:13.880 She is going to be one of their scapegoats.

00:17:18.080 And the maneuver that they used was their disappointment with her not communicating a plan, a police action plan to deal with the protesters in Ottawa.

00:17:32.020 Therefore, because of the failure of the RCMP and the other police forces to communicate a plan,

00:17:38.120 they had to go and grab the small thermonuclear device and throw it.

00:17:43.880 Which is being the Emergencies Act.

00:17:45.960 You know, that's interesting, too, because it'll take us into the next clip.

00:17:49.040 Clip four.

00:17:50.340 It's, again, Clerk of the Privy Council, Janice Charette, I guess, detailing how the government had been hearing about plans being developed to end the Freedom Convoy and some of the other protests.

00:18:02.380 But by the third weekend, they hadn't seen any action to end what she called the horrific, these boring people, situation in Ottawa.

00:18:12.160 But that's not true because we heard that Cabinet had been informed that there were ongoing negotiations between yourself, Tamara Leach, and Mayor Watson to alleviate some of the problems plaguing the busybodies in downtown Ottawa.

00:18:27.700 So, based on other testimony and emails presented before the commission, this just absolutely isn't true.

00:18:38.460 And this is someone whose job it is to detail the comings and goings and meetings within Cabinet.

00:18:43.980 We've seen evidence that Cabinet was aware that things were happening and that the truckers were operating in good faith and moving trucks out of the downtown core when she's saying this.

00:18:54.160 Well, it's more than, to be very precise about it, you know, the negotiations started earlier in the previous week.

00:19:02.600 Yep.

00:19:03.060 They had to be done quietly as normal in a delicate situation.

00:19:07.560 Sure.

00:19:08.240 The full board of directors, contrary to someone who seems to have forgotten the events, a former board member who speaks out, was fully briefed at every stage of the negotiations.

00:19:20.560 There was very few things I had the luxury of doing in writing while I was there in Ottawa during the protests because of the speed of events.

00:19:29.020 There was one thing I made sure I did in writing in emails was get all of the board members to sign off on the deal with the mayor that was agreed to on the Friday night, which would have been the 11th.

00:19:40.560 The letters were exchanged on the 12th and the deal finalized the Saturday.

00:19:45.840 And then on the Sunday, we agreed to let the mayor go first and release it to the media.

00:19:50.580 And then on the Sunday night when the cabinet met, as you've just noted, the senior security advisor who testified yesterday had reported to the cabinet that there was a breakthrough agreement.

00:20:02.020 That was the phraseology they used with the truckers to relocate out of downtown and concentrate on Wellington with the rest going out to Van Cleef and the other areas.

00:20:11.700 And despite that, and despite the fact that all of the borders were now reopened and that's been confirmed with the municipal officials from the different jurisdictions, with the police officials, with the Canadian Border Service in the last week, that all the borders reopened, didn't matter.

00:20:32.940 Only thing that was left was Ottawa. I think the prime minister was angry that the non-laptop class had risen up against him and he was going to show them who really has the authoritarian power here.

00:20:48.480 Yeah, no, that's exactly it. And it's funny because these people are testifying and I don't know if, again, did they live in a bubble? Are they watching the other testimony?

00:20:59.300 Are they being briefed on the documents that are already in front of the Public Order Commission?

00:21:05.500 Like, I don't understand how they can just walk in there and testify to a completely different reality from what we have a paper trail to prove.

00:21:15.040 Well, they're hoping that their paid media, the legacy media that's now on the government payroll, you know, and I feel sorry for a lot of those reporters because I'm sure that some of them don't sleep very well at night

00:21:28.120 because they can't report the truth anymore like they used to. They have to say, all right, if this story goes out, well, you know, we're not going to get our hundred and whatever million dollars from the government.

00:21:37.640 And that means we might not make payroll and we can't make payroll. I'm not going to get a paycheck.

00:21:41.940 And then what I'm going to tell my wife or my spouse about the mortgage.

00:21:45.560 So I think what they're hoping is their soundbites that they're doing right now.

00:21:50.780 And you saw it really in spades this afternoon, this Friday afternoon, with the cabinet level people speaking in terms of staff,

00:21:57.380 that their soundbites will get out and then that will become the narrative.

00:22:01.340 And the narrative will be two parts.

00:22:02.940 One is that the police failed to act, so the prime minister had to to keep Canadians safe.

00:22:09.900 And number two will be that when you look at the totality of the circumstances, despite the fact that CSIS said the legal test wasn't met,

00:22:19.020 the OPP intelligence officer said the test wasn't met, every official that's testified said the legal test to invoke wasn't met.

00:22:27.400 They're just going to say, well, we're the cabinet, I'm the prime minister, you know, poo-poo to this rule of law stuff.

00:22:34.680 We like it better the way it was in the 1400s when the king gets to decide.

00:22:38.600 Yeah, they spent the last two and a half years telling me to listen to the experts and then the policing experts testify.

00:22:43.900 They tell me, no, no, Sheila, don't believe those people agree with these political appointees appointed by the liberals.

00:22:50.020 Those are the people you need to listen to.

00:22:52.620 Good point.

00:22:53.520 Yeah.

00:22:53.920 Clip six, Efron, the one that I jumped out of my chair and ran across the room to you to clip when it was happening live.

00:23:01.600 I was much like you, Keith, in that I was sitting at this desk because there's no other desk for me to work at in HQ.

00:23:08.940 And every time I heard something crazy, I ran into the control room and said, Efron, we have to clip this.

00:23:13.760 Because in clip six, to justify the use of the Emergencies Act, the chief clerk of the Privy Council finally said something that I agree with.

00:23:22.220 But she didn't realize that she was probably agreeing with the truckers when she said this too.

00:23:28.840 She said that economic security is directly correlated with the ability to maintain and operate secure borders.

00:23:38.080 I can't wait till somebody tells this lady about Roxham Road or the vaccine mandates that caused the truckers to begin this protest in the first place.

00:23:46.720 Yeah, we do care about operating secure borders and the ability to engage in trade across them.

00:23:55.460 Let's roll this clip.

00:23:56.500 Again, just completely lacking in self-awareness.

00:24:00.020 So the economic risk, particularly at a time, and I think I tried to set the seed for this when I was talking about the fact that we were just starting budget deliberations as this was all happening.

00:24:13.980 And I think Mr. Sabia spoke of other relevant considerations related to United States potential legislation that was being deliberated at the time, which had big impacts on Canada, our competitiveness, our ability to continue to attract investment.

00:24:33.080 So when I think about national interest, our economic security is absolutely part of that.

00:24:38.000 And that is about the ability to maintain and operate secure borders, to see to the free movement of people, goods, and services across our borders.

00:24:51.960 We do $2 billion of trade a day between Canada and the United States, the single most integrated, I think, economy in the world.

00:25:02.340 What does that lady think the truckers were there protesting for? 1.00

00:25:05.440 That's exactly what they were there protesting for.

00:25:07.680 The ability to engage in cross-border trade, because that was their job.

00:25:11.900 The free movement of people and goods across the largest undefended border in the world.

00:25:16.920 That's why they were there.

00:25:19.140 She and the cabinet were the problem.

00:25:22.220 That just blew my mind, but I was like, yeah, I actually agree with you there.

00:25:26.700 Well, and this is what causes me to react strongly, is that, okay, I think we agree that what she said is important.

00:25:36.040 About the free movement of goods across the border, the free movement of people she talked about across the border.

00:25:42.640 Let's think Canadians or people traveling lawfully. 0.93

00:25:45.120 They're just completely tone deaf because look at the economic harm they caused by the border closures, by the travel restrictions, by just even the, you know,

00:26:00.260 when we lost the knowledge of people in the trucking industry tell me that it was about 35% of the drivers were lost for cross-border movement.

00:26:09.580 At a time when we already had, we have logistics problems and we have supply chain issues.

00:26:15.940 So a lot of the trade I'm told from different people I know outside of my normal legal spheres,

00:26:21.260 which I like to have a lot of people around me in that way so that I keep my eyes open to things,

00:26:26.260 that they started shipping in goods and products by air.

00:26:29.640 Well, what did they do to the airports?

00:26:31.060 There was over 10,000 airport workers of various kinds that lost their jobs because they exercised their choice not to get vaccinated.

00:26:41.000 The tourism industry, who was going to take a trip to Canada if you had to quarantine for 14 days?

00:26:48.840 But, you know, like, come on.

00:26:50.660 So just the tourism sector alone impacts is in the billions of dollars.

00:26:56.800 So if they really care about these things, they would not have been the exception of G7 countries.

00:27:03.280 A lot of Canadians don't realize that we had more restrictions in place than any other G7 country.

00:27:10.520 And we had them in longer than any other G7 country. 0.65

00:27:15.420 So the hypocrisy of these people, their lack of self-awareness, as you put it, I think is bang on the mark. 0.90

00:27:23.040 It's spectacular. 0.87

00:27:23.740 And you wouldn't want those truckers traveling across the border, just a couple of hours across the border and seeing people living normally and then coming back to Canada and saying,

00:27:34.840 you know what, things are normal in Florida or South Dakota, which is so close to the border.

00:27:41.780 You wouldn't want people coming home with a new benchmark for normal, because then, you know what, they just might rise up and protest you in the nation's capital.

00:27:51.100 And looky here, we've got another national emergency on our hands.

00:27:56.240 Indeed.

00:27:56.980 Yeah, it's well, and even I think that's, you know, I'm counsel to former Premier Peckford on the travel mandate challenge.

00:28:03.000 And I think one of the reasons they took it down when they did or suspended it in June of this year, June 15th, was because enough people had started to travel through Europe and through England and everywhere else.

00:28:13.800 And they're like, wow, COVID's over over here.

00:28:16.180 And then all of a sudden they get on the plane and they're told they got to put a mask on as soon as they get close to Canada.

00:28:21.140 And then they arrive in this, you know, public health officials and gowns and face shields everywhere and channeling them into booths to be prodded and tested.

00:28:31.960 And so I think it was a wake up call for a lot of people.

00:28:35.640 Yeah.

00:28:35.760 When uptight progressive Europe goes back to normal before you do.

00:28:40.800 Houston, we have-

00:28:41.480 Many months.

00:28:42.040 Many months before.

00:28:43.280 Exactly.

00:28:43.440 Yeah.

00:28:43.600 When I traveled to Geneva to deliver our human rights complaint to the UN there, you could tell where the Air Canada gates were at the airport.

00:28:54.120 Because everything was normal until you got to the Air Canada gate.

00:28:57.460 Wow.

00:28:57.920 And everything was just oppressive.

00:29:00.940 And everybody was in a mask and, you know, the flight attendants looked like they were going into brain surgery.

00:29:06.420 And that was, you know, just a few months ago that we were still doing this sort of madness.

00:29:11.500 Keith, I want to ask you your predictions before I let you go for next week.

00:29:16.300 Next week, we're going to start to see even more political people, members of the cabinet are going to testify.

00:29:22.460 Oh, what do you expect to hear from that?

00:29:23.900 More gaslighting and rewriting of history?

00:29:26.900 Or are we going to see some truth?

00:29:29.400 I think you're going to see a replay.

00:29:32.840 I think this afternoon was the test of the messaging.

00:29:36.140 Yeah.

00:29:36.620 They sent in, they were highly rehearsed.

00:29:38.960 There's even a couple of times where the witness would go, let me see if I can remember the words.

00:29:43.520 And she wasn't.

00:29:44.400 Line.

00:29:45.020 Yeah.

00:29:45.420 She wasn't talking about the words from an act.

00:29:48.020 It was the words they practiced over and over again.

00:29:51.460 So I think today was the test.

00:29:53.700 I think they're kind of okay with how it went.

00:29:57.120 Um, so I think you're going to see the same messaging from the ministers, but that means we just have to figure out how to crack that nut this weekend and give them a little surprise come Monday, Tuesday.

00:30:11.180 So that's what we'll do.

00:30:12.780 Well, I'm very, very excited.

00:30:14.560 And I'll be in Ottawa on Monday and Tuesday to see it firsthand for myself.

00:30:18.440 So I'm very excited about that.

00:30:20.120 Keith, uh, I guess maybe I'll see you Monday or Tuesday.

00:30:23.300 Absolutely.

00:30:23.900 In person.

00:30:24.400 It'll be wonderful.

00:30:24.900 Great.

00:30:26.020 Uh, Efron, let's roll and add so that Keith can make a graceful exit. 0.83

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00:31:58.580 Oh, hi. Welcome back, everybody.

00:32:17.200 I should tell you, and I should have done this right off the top of the show, but you know what?

00:32:22.780 I'm a little rusty. I haven't hosted the live stream in maybe 10 days.

00:32:26.560 But if you want to engage with us on the show here, one of the best ways to do that is to leave a paid chat because it also supports the work that we do here completely willingly.

00:32:37.280 You can do that on Rumble through what they call their paid chat.

00:32:41.120 It's Rumble Rant.

00:32:42.140 On Odyssey, it's called a Hyper Chat.

00:32:44.320 And so now joining me are my two very hardworking young colleagues, the hardest working young journalists in the business, I think, Selene Gallas and William Diaz from our Ottawa Satellite Studio, just up the road from the Trucker Commission.

00:33:01.720 Guys, how's it going? Weird day, right?

00:33:05.580 The weirdest of days.

00:33:07.100 Yeah, no.

00:33:07.660 Honestly, I'm just not even sure what we're listening to anymore at this point.

00:33:11.960 It's just it's so well rehearsed that, you know, it's bad, right?

00:33:16.380 Like when you start hearing the same things, the same words, when they look to their lawyers and they they they proclaim outwardly, can I say this or I should be really careful about how I say this or I don't know if I should say this.

00:33:28.260 It's getting ridiculous.

00:33:30.040 What do you think, William? 0.65

00:33:30.780 Well, I think it might have been weird.

00:33:33.560 I think it was also a long day, but I you look tired.

00:33:36.940 You do.

00:33:37.580 Yeah, I am very tired.

00:33:39.260 But I think that we've got some good stuff out today, especially during Brandon Miller's cross-examination of the deputy clerk of the private council.

00:33:53.660 So even though it was a little bit of a weird day, we still got some good stuff out.

00:33:57.340 That was good.

00:33:57.760 Yeah.

00:33:58.320 Natalie Druin is the deputy clerk of the Privy Council and it was, what's her name?

00:34:05.780 Janice Charette, I think.

00:34:07.780 Yeah.

00:34:08.080 She's the Privy Council clerk.

00:34:10.100 Just completely clueless.

00:34:13.100 When she was, like I was saying to Keith, when she was talking about, you know what?

00:34:17.760 We have to protect the free exchange of goods across the border and we can't prevent people from traveling across the border.

00:34:28.760 I'm like, what did that lady think that the truckers were protesting? 1.00

00:34:32.020 That's why they went is because you were going to force them to get a vaccine they didn't want so that they could do their job or lose their job.

00:34:39.820 That's why they went.

00:34:41.040 And so she's saying, no, we need to invoke the Emergencies Act to break up the border blockades, which, by the way, had already resolved by the time they used the Emergencies Act.

00:34:52.860 So her fake little timeline doesn't even hold together upon examination because people could cross the border if you were vaccinated, I suppose, by the time that they hit the nuclear button of the Emergencies Act.

00:35:07.740 I want to go, Efron, to clip five because we've got Janice again and she said that the Freedom Convoy and other protests amounted to a national emergency.

00:35:22.860 I'm not sure why.

00:35:24.320 Canadians didn't like Justin Trudeau, I guess, and that it was urgent, urgent, again, because Justin Trudeau was being embarrassed internationally, I guess.

00:35:34.660 Let's roll clip five, please, and then we'll talk about it.

00:35:38.380 The view that I came to was that whether there were still authorities that had not been fully used, that the situation overall was a national emergency.

00:35:53.260 It was urgent.

00:35:54.300 It was critical.

00:35:55.040 There was the threat of serious violence that put at risk the lives, the health and safety, the security of Canadians, our economic fortunes, and that, taken together, that was beyond the capacity of any individual province or territory to deal with.

00:36:11.240 We were seeing this on a national scale, breakouts or incidents from coast to coast to coast, including, you know, cross-border traffic, even between, I think it was Alberta and one of the territories.

00:36:27.180 This was a situation which had been escalating.

00:36:30.860 I think we were on day 18 of what was happening in Ottawa.

00:36:34.160 This was a scale, this was an escalation, this was a series of volatility.

00:36:40.500 It didn't seem that there was any province or territory that had the power to deal with this uniquely on their own.

00:36:46.540 But there may have been individual agencies that could have dealt with a piece of it.

00:36:51.120 There were individual sites that could have been dealt with through specific tools.

00:36:55.880 There were potentially individual threats that could have been dealt with by one agency or actor or another.

00:37:01.260 But if you look at the totality of it all, that's what lies behind this advice.

00:37:08.520 What on earth is that lady talking about? 1.00

00:37:10.500 What on earth is she talking about?

00:37:13.080 She says, you know, there were these things happening across the country.

00:37:17.500 But she admits, she prefaces her statement by saying whether or not there were tools, like law enforcement tools, remaining to deal with these things.

00:37:27.820 Well, that's the whole point of the Emergencies Act.

00:37:29.660 It has to be if there are no law enforcement tools left.

00:37:33.320 And that clearly wasn't the case because Alberta had resolved.

00:37:37.500 Emerson, Manitoba had been resolved.

00:37:39.660 Windsor had been resolved.

00:37:41.280 BC had been resolved.

00:37:42.760 All these things had been resolved with existing tools.

00:37:46.060 The ineptitude of the OPS and Justin Trudeau's feelings do not constitute a national emergency.

00:37:51.900 That's just the facts of it all.

00:37:54.120 These problems were resolved and were being resolved without the suspension of the civil liberties of all nearly 40 million Canadians.

00:38:05.120 Because when they hit the Emergencies Act nuclear button, that's what happened to the rest of us.

00:38:10.360 They could have done anything they wanted to all of us.

00:38:13.320 I think they just didn't have the time to do what they wanted to do.

00:38:18.700 Yeah, I agree with you.

00:38:21.580 Once again, I think if I hear one person mention Section 2 of the CISIS Act after this long inquiry is done, I'm going to walk away.

00:38:30.840 Section 2 of the CISIS Act defines what a threat to national security is.

00:38:36.120 And for the Emergencies Act to be invoked, Section 2 of the CISIS Act, the threshold of Section 2 of the CISIS Act has to be met in regards to whether or not we are seeing a threat to the national security of our country.

00:38:48.200 And it has to be the only option, which means that it has to be necessary.

00:38:54.160 And CISIS itself and documents that keep being presented to the Commission, it's fine to look at the questions and answers of the witnesses and the lawyers, but it's also super crucial and important to look at the documents.

00:39:07.020 Because the documents that are presented by Alan Honor from the Democracy Fund, the documents that are presented by Brendan Miller from Freedom Corp, those are relevant documents that show exactly what CISIS was thinking at the time of the Emergencies Act.

00:39:22.420 But prior to the Emergencies Act.

00:39:24.700 And CISIS said that they did not see the convoy in Ottawa as a national security issue.

00:39:32.380 So all this person was saying, in my opinion, was nonsense and was just partisan politics.

00:39:37.580 That's how I see it.

00:39:40.720 I guess I'll try and get something in there, but I agree with William, obviously.

00:39:45.100 I think, again, like when you break down the fact that you I personally have I've just taken to it very naturally.

00:39:52.360 I have a thing for for seeing patterns, for recognizing those things.

00:39:56.820 Like when you hear the same quotes, the same phrases that they use, it just reminds me that the longer that we see this prolonged period of examination for this emergency inquiry,

00:40:09.480 the more that I start to see how much of a sham it is, because I just can't possibly comprehend how no one these again, the higher you go in the Liberal cabinet, the less questions are answered.

00:40:22.660 So someone explain that to me.

00:40:25.140 Someone tell me how that's in any way, shape or form appropriate.

00:40:28.320 It doesn't make any sense to me, Sheila, as I was saying to Keith, you know, when we were listening to the experts, as the Liberals have told me to do for the last two years.

00:40:38.240 So I did. I listened to policing experts and CSIS said no threat.

00:40:44.920 Didn't need the EA.

00:40:46.900 RCMP, no real threats.

00:40:48.600 Didn't need the EA.

00:40:49.940 OPP, no real threats.

00:40:52.680 Didn't need the EA.

00:40:54.480 OPS even.

00:40:55.540 Even in their disarray and mayhem and confusion and chaos in that department, they said you didn't need the EA.

00:41:05.360 And, you know, despite people calling hurt feelings violence, Peter Slowly and Steve Bell, despite that, they also said they didn't need the Emergencies Act.

00:41:16.920 They said it was helpful.

00:41:17.760 I imagine it was, if you don't care about civil liberties and you can just run roughshod over people to do your jobs, you know, without any guardrails or bumpers on the wall.

00:41:26.380 You can do a lot of things to a lot of people.

00:41:28.440 Cut a lot of corners, which basically is what they admitted that the EA helped them do.

00:41:32.820 We got to cut some corners.

00:41:34.920 Great, I guess.

00:41:36.540 You just mentioned the Ottawa Police Services, and I don't know if you've been following it closely.

00:41:40.580 There are cross-examinations of witnesses, but there's something very interesting that happened either yesterday or the day before with the Council for the Ottawa Police Services.

00:41:51.020 The Council for the Ottawa Police Services was cross-examining one of the witnesses from the federal government and criticized the witness, criticized the government for not speaking with a protester.

00:42:02.700 He literally, his last question, that was very interesting to witness, because I think the lawyers are starting to change their tune.

00:42:09.740 They're seeing that they cannot go along with their original narrative.

00:42:13.060 They're seeing the actual evidence being presented.

00:42:15.320 And this lawyer, his last question was, well, there was an option.

00:42:19.480 The federal government could have talked to the protesters, and not a single one of them has.

00:42:24.820 Why is that?

00:42:25.980 And then he walked away.

00:42:27.380 That was very interesting to see.

00:42:29.060 You know, I think there's, I don't know if the lawyers for the other side, I guess, are changing their tunes, or if they're seeing which way the wind is blowing.

00:42:41.280 They're sort of trying to get out in front of it.

00:42:42.820 They don't want to get burned down with Justin Trudeau.

00:42:45.980 But the point I was trying to make, before I drifted off into just nonsense, was that the policing experts, and if you can call the OPS experts on anything except disorder, but the policing experts all said we didn't need this.

00:43:03.080 It's only the people who are not experts on anything except politics.

00:43:08.960 They're the ones who are saying this was needed.

00:43:11.220 These two ladies today from the Privy Council said that the Emergencies Act was necessary.

00:43:21.260 Now, they also said all policing resources had not been exhausted.

00:43:26.500 They also said that.

00:43:27.960 But they said this was needed.

00:43:30.540 And they don't have any expertise in that outside of being appointed by Justin Trudeau for their jobs.

00:43:37.280 Yeah, well, you can feel it was needed.

00:43:40.660 But if you admit right after that all the options hadn't been utilized, even if you say that it was needed, it wasn't needed.

00:43:49.800 You have no proof that it was needed because not all the options were utilized.

00:43:54.040 I mean, it just discredits your whole credibility.

00:43:56.800 I mean, but that's not anything new that we've been seeing.

00:43:58.920 If there is any way that this federal government remains as is after this, I think I might move to Costa Rica.

00:44:06.440 And I was joking with you about this the other day, Sheila, but my goodness, this is crazy.

00:44:10.880 This is not the country that I grew up in.

00:44:12.460 And I know that so many Canadians feel that.

00:44:15.320 They feel that.

00:44:16.640 It's very frustrating to watch this because the back and forth, they're even just blatantly sarcastic, giving attitude to the lawyers and just flat out not answering questions.

00:44:26.980 How is that allowed? Where is the standard that we're setting?

00:44:29.980 Like, what's the president's for this even?

00:44:31.880 Like, you know, I'll answer everything that I'm instructed to answer and anything else you will not get an answer for.

00:44:37.600 This is not the way that anything should be happening.

00:44:39.840 We've seen this from all the political people.

00:44:41.760 So the police were very forthcoming.

00:44:45.020 Even if I disagreed with them, at least they did their best to answer their questions.

00:44:48.300 Again, even if the answers were nonsensical, Peter slowly.

00:44:53.280 But it's the political operatives here, like Matthew Flurry, like Catherine McKinney, who they don't really care about what's right and what's wrong.

00:45:07.140 They care about political expediency, what's going to get me elected, what's going to make the people who voted for me happy.

00:45:13.140 They really don't care about the other people who live there and the rights of the other people.

00:45:19.100 And, you know, these two from the Privy Council, you know, like just absolutely no self-awareness.

00:45:24.500 They keep talking about the economic carnage caused by, you know, a week's worth of border blocking.

00:45:31.020 Well, what about the economic carnage of two years of lockdowns?

00:45:34.380 And then these people finally go back to work and you say, ah, ah, ah, but you can't go across the border now, even though you have been for two years.

00:45:42.260 And now your business is ruined.

00:45:43.580 You don't care about those people.

00:45:45.020 You care about the people who are dealing with phantom honking, which I can't even believe is a real thing, but it was.

00:45:51.220 And that's a new part of their narrative as well.

00:45:53.820 The first time I heard that was yesterday when Deputy Minister Michael Sabias was testifying.

00:45:58.460 And he interrupted his train of thought to point out, supposedly very empathetically, that there was real human impacts of that border blockade at Windsor for the, what, two to three days that it was there, that there was a handful of people there.

00:46:13.980 What happened the last two years?

00:46:15.800 These people seriously live under a rock.

00:46:17.820 And it's shocking.

00:46:19.080 It's shocking as much as it is disturbing to me.

00:46:21.920 Yeah.

00:46:22.260 It's like Keith Wilson says, these are the laptop class.

00:46:25.040 The people on the screen that we're looking at right now, they've got to go to work.

00:46:29.740 These are productive people that bring you the things that you need so you can sit in your apartment, in your pajamas, and work on your laptop.

00:46:37.140 And it might bother the people of Ottawa that they had to look at them for three weeks, but I don't care.

00:46:44.180 Useful people wanted to go to work because there's dignity in work.

00:46:48.780 There's dignity in providing for your family.

00:46:50.880 There's dignity in surviving and not taking from the government.

00:46:53.640 And that's all that these people wanted.

00:46:55.660 And they've been vilified for it, criminalized for it.

00:46:59.520 They've been terrorized for it.

00:47:02.460 Look at this.

00:47:03.260 See, this is exactly what I'm talking about when they say the convoy was violent.

00:47:07.620 If they wanted to be violent, they could have rioted against those cops. 0.98

00:47:11.800 And there's not a damn thing those cops could have done except open fire on them. 0.96

00:47:16.560 But they didn't. 0.98

00:47:18.000 They didn't.

00:47:18.700 The cops were way outnumbered every step of the way, no matter where they were dealing with protesters.

00:47:26.040 And the protesters never once, in the face of provocation and violence, turned on the cops.

00:47:32.520 And that's a testament to the kind of people they are.

00:47:34.660 And that's why it irritates me so much to see these horrible people like we listen to today say, oh, there was a potential for violence.

00:47:41.980 Sure.

00:47:42.220 Where was it?

00:47:42.960 I saw cops trampling people and beating people.

00:47:45.120 I heard about threats of violence from unions who were going to go down there and push people into the river at Windsor.

00:47:52.680 I heard about that.

00:47:53.980 I heard about eggs being thrown from high-rise apartments at truckers.

00:47:57.820 I heard about that.

00:47:59.000 I heard about a guy that drove his Jeep into a convoy protest in Winnipeg and drove over people.

00:48:05.720 Nobody was seriously hurt.

00:48:06.980 But that's an act of God that nobody was seriously hurt.

00:48:09.640 I heard about all those things.

00:48:11.020 But all I hear about from the other side of this is that honking was violence and that there was a feeling that they didn't like in the air.

00:48:20.500 Yeah, well, I mean, there's always an opportunity for danger.

00:48:25.320 There's always a threat for danger.

00:48:27.120 You know, just going on a walk outside, who knows if someone's going to stab you?

00:48:31.880 Who knows if there's a car that's going to run over you?

00:48:33.820 Who knows if you're going to fall in front of you and just hit your head and die on the spot?

00:48:38.900 But there's always a threat of something happening.

00:48:41.160 There's a point that you made earlier, and I think it was a very good point about the government, about how rotten our government here in Ottawa is.

00:48:47.560 And I had a very interesting conversation with Brendan Murray yesterday, a freedom of convoy lawyer.

00:48:52.880 And our government truly has an issue.

00:48:58.360 If you look at question period, and that's what we're talking about, what's the point of – well, Sheila and then Celine, what's the point of question period?

00:49:04.840 What's the point of having question period in our government?

00:49:08.900 It's the opportunity for the opposition to hold the government to account on behalf of the people.

00:49:14.680 They're there to oppose the government.

00:49:17.320 Whether or not we get a response is another thing.

00:49:20.500 Exactly.

00:49:21.140 Do you agree with that?

00:49:21.780 I agree with that, but I understand the premise of what you're asking because when you see what's going on, what is actually –

00:49:29.780 No, but I mean what's the point of a question period?

00:49:32.140 I think it's very serious holding the government to account.

00:49:34.460 Yeah, no, exactly.

00:49:35.600 I'm trying to say that what's the point of this when I'm not sure who's going to hold who into account at the end of this.

00:49:41.440 And there's a lot of consequences at the end.

00:49:43.120 So, you know, you've got a question period who's televised every day for the government to be held to account.

00:49:51.720 And how many times are questions actually answered during question period?

00:49:56.920 Almost never.

00:49:57.980 Almost never.

00:49:58.680 It's why order paper questions are my favorite thing that happened in the House of Commons.

00:50:04.620 Exactly.

00:50:05.460 So, you know, we've got this huge thing who's supposed to be there that people watch every single day.

00:50:11.200 They go on CPAC.

00:50:12.180 They go on YouTube to watch the government being held to account.

00:50:17.280 And they go there and they expect it.

00:50:19.900 And that's not what happens.

00:50:22.320 There's some things to the legislative level at the level of our government that have to change.

00:50:28.060 For instance, question period, that's one place that something could change.

00:50:31.460 What about a law that would force the ministers to actually answer questions?

00:50:35.460 What about a law that would give the person, the House Speaker, the power to decide, okay, well, you asked the question, so you're going to answer the question that you were just asked.

00:50:46.440 What if that was the case?

00:50:47.840 How beneficial it would be for our system?

00:50:50.360 But we don't have that right now.

00:50:51.600 And that's just one example of how rotten our government in Ottawa is.

00:50:55.340 And I think what's missing there, though, is the or what in all of this.

00:51:00.200 It's the same problem with the Public Order Emergency Commission.

00:51:04.120 If Trudeau is found to have abused the civil liberties of Canadians by acting like a tyrant, pulling the old Ahmadinejad on peaceful protesters in the town square, what happens to him?

00:51:18.320 Nothing.

00:51:18.800 Nothing.

00:51:19.320 Nothing.

00:51:20.000 He has the bought and paid for store-bought media who will run cover for him.

00:51:25.180 He won't even, there's not even an option to give the man a $300 fine like when he has his ethics violations.

00:51:32.420 He could be found culpable in suspending the civil liberties of 39 million Canadians for matters of ego and nothing will happen to him at the end of the day.

00:51:48.320 So, yeah, it goes without saying that things definitely need to change because who holds their politicians accountable?

00:51:57.140 The people do.

00:51:58.280 And if the people don't actually have the power to do that, then what power do they have at all?

00:52:02.940 Yes.

00:52:04.000 Efron, can we go to an ad before poor William falls asleep on camera?

00:52:07.960 He's had such a long week.

00:52:12.720 TGIF for William.

00:52:14.060 Thank God it's Friday.

00:52:15.560 And I think you're headed in to join us at Rebel Live tomorrow in Whitby.

00:52:20.020 Are you not?

00:52:21.360 No, I won't be.

00:52:23.500 I won't be at Rebel News Live in Whitby tomorrow, unfortunately.

00:52:26.860 But Celine, you're coming, right?

00:52:28.600 Celine's going to be there.

00:52:29.460 Yeah, Guillaume and I will be on the way as soon as this live stream is done.

00:52:32.500 Okay, well, let's let you guys go.

00:52:34.200 William, hopefully you can sleep in tomorrow.

00:52:36.320 Sleep in tomorrow, turn the alarm clock off, get some rest.

00:52:39.800 I promise I will.

00:52:40.660 Okay, great.

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00:53:40.840 So now that my two colleagues have left the set, I'm joined now by a Convoy member, Tom Marazzo.

00:54:05.220 So, Tom, I don't know how you want to describe yourself, but actually, you know what, we get some people asking for a little bit more context about who some of our guests are.

00:54:14.760 So, Tom, why don't you explain your role during the convoy?

00:54:17.280 I'll let you explain it instead of me trying to fuddle my way through it.

00:54:20.800 Sure.

00:54:22.480 So, I came originally at the, probably two days after the convoy rolled into Ottawa.

00:54:27.940 And then once I got here, I kind of was here just to help out with some of the logistics.

00:54:34.580 And then as time went on, my role started to evolve.

00:54:38.440 Once Keith and Eva arrived, then I started to work a lot with Keith and Eva.

00:54:44.760 But all throughout the time I spent working with the police liaison teams and trying to make sure that everything was very safe and responsible.

00:54:55.000 With the truck convoy members that were in the streets, but also working with the police.

00:55:01.640 And then as time went on, like the situation was evolving.

00:55:04.320 So, that's when Keith, myself and Eva started to kind of try to get the ball rolling with other members of the leadership within the convoy and try to get some traction going.

00:55:16.900 And so, that's why if anyone saw in the testimony for this public inquiry or the commission, I had spoken about my role or it was told to the public that I was in meetings with the city manager, Keith and Eva.

00:55:33.140 But it was just something that I never had an opportunity to discuss.

00:55:36.180 So, a lot of people seem to be surprised about it when I testified.

00:55:39.480 But the reality is, it wasn't a secret.

00:55:42.760 It was just, those were meetings that I participated in.

00:55:46.840 Right.

00:55:47.380 During the convoy.

00:55:48.480 Yeah.

00:55:48.840 I mean, and why would you?

00:55:51.520 Why would it come up in conversation?

00:55:54.000 Like, why would that be a thing that you needed to go around telling people?

00:55:56.500 I just, I don't know.

00:55:57.540 I understand why people would get uptight about that.

00:55:59.880 But whatever.

00:56:00.480 Oh, well, well, you know, it's just been, it's been constant.

00:56:06.800 I'm just getting hit from all sides over my testimony from, from various groups that are allegedly on our side.

00:56:14.620 I'm just getting hit from all sides because, you know, they, they saw the testimony and it was things that they had never heard in probably the 50 or 60 interviews that I've given since the convoy.

00:56:25.760 Um, because, uh, you know, it was just never important to bring those details up.

00:56:29.780 Uh, but it seemed to surprise people.

00:56:32.340 And, and the latest rumors that I heard, this is a good one.

00:56:34.700 Ready for this?

00:56:36.220 I work for Doug Ford.

00:56:37.500 Even though I campaigned against Doug Ford in the last Ontario election, and I did several videos denouncing everything about Doug Ford, that the latest rumor is that, uh, I work directly for Doug Ford.

00:56:52.880 Um, and that, you know, that my favorite one is controlled opposition.

00:56:56.500 Uh, I've also heard, uh, CIA, CSIS, FBI, RCMP, Ottawa police.

00:57:08.140 Uh, and, and my latest one is that I work for Doug Ford personally.

00:57:12.240 You know what?

00:57:12.900 You seem far too organized to work for the OPS.

00:57:15.200 I'll tell you that.

00:57:16.240 Yeah.

00:57:16.980 Isn't that the truth?

00:57:18.160 Isn't that the truth?

00:57:19.320 You know, I get those like you're controlled opposition emails.

00:57:22.280 I don't talk about the pet cause that they want to talk about because I'm too busy talking about something else.

00:57:27.460 And I just reply some, I don't often reply because like, who cares?

00:57:31.900 But sometimes I just reply like, do I seem like somebody who's easily controlled?

00:57:36.320 You should ask my husband.

00:57:38.300 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:57:40.780 Uh, you, you, you can't put out the rumors, but I don't even care to at this point.

00:57:44.800 Um, people say like, I could explain it a thousand times and people will still come up with a new creative way to make me answer the same question.

00:57:53.200 So I, I don't even care anymore.

00:57:55.720 You know, I just don't, I'm tired of it.

00:57:58.460 You can't, you can't.

00:57:59.940 Um, let's throw to clip seven, Efron, because as you can tell viewers at home, uh, Tom's obviously just a wild man, hard to control.

00:58:09.640 Um, and, uh, incredibly out of control.

00:58:14.080 He just has zero composure whatsoever.

00:58:16.640 Um, that is, of course, if you listen to these two, uh, crones who work for the Privy Council, those are my words, not Tom's. 0.94

00:58:26.380 Um, Janice Charette, she's the chief clerk of the Privy Council.

00:58:30.780 So like the chief bureaucrat really of the country.

00:58:34.400 Um, and she explains that there were layers of threats from the Freedom Convoy.

00:58:42.620 And she noted the quote, incredibly violent rhetoric posted online by people that God only knows if they're even in the convoy or they're just saying stuff on Facebook.

00:58:52.440 You know, you can do that, right?

00:58:53.540 Like you can just comment on Facebook.

00:58:55.320 Someone should tell these, like, they look old enough so that they just probably just live on Facebook.

00:58:59.480 So I don't understand why they don't know how Facebook doesn't look.

00:59:02.300 But she said that also the convoy was very well financed.

00:59:06.020 Well, that's what people do when they care about a cause.

00:59:08.580 If they can't throw their activity behind it, they'll throw their money behind it.

00:59:13.600 That's, that's how it works.

00:59:15.560 Well, we got to remember, there was also a travel ban for unvaccinated people.

00:59:20.220 So the only way you could get to Ottawa was to be if you, if you drove.

00:59:24.920 And I drove across the country, uh, from Ontario to Alberta this, this summer.

00:59:30.720 It took me two and a half days.

00:59:32.020 And I, and I only stopped for five hours each night and I drove straight through.

00:59:36.600 And so, you know, it's hard to drive across this country and especially in the winter.

00:59:41.620 I did it in the summertime.

00:59:43.420 Uh, so this is, this is an interesting point because I laughed at when I heard the testimony

00:59:47.740 where they said, oh, well, we thought they just come for the weekend.

00:59:50.880 It's like, okay, so you're going to drive across Canada between five and seven days in

00:59:56.840 snow in winter and stay for two days and then turn around and go back.

01:00:01.780 Like who, who comes up with the logic to this?

01:00:04.740 Government workers.

01:00:05.560 Government workers.

01:00:06.740 As I watched this, I was like, I get exactly why these two were appointed by Justin Trudeau

01:00:12.280 because they are just perfect, true believers.

01:00:15.800 They will just take whatever you tell them and then say it.

01:00:19.060 And you could tell in their testimony, they were so scripted.

01:00:22.560 They had notes.

01:00:23.880 They were like, as Keith said, like calling for their line.

01:00:27.160 Like, what's the line?

01:00:28.260 Like script.

01:00:29.240 Um, you know, there was a bit of that here, but let's roll clip seven, if you wouldn't

01:00:33.900 mind.

01:00:34.260 Efron.

01:00:35.540 We had had reported to us that there were IMVE and ideologically motivated extreme, violent

01:00:42.260 extremists, individuals who were seen amongst the protest activities, that there was the

01:00:49.700 risk that they or lone actors inspired by them could, uh, there was the threat from them that

01:00:56.420 they could move to serious violence.

01:00:58.420 We had evidence through both, uh, um, what was being said in an online of incredibly, um, violent

01:01:10.680 rhetoric of hate speech, anti-Semitic, uh, anti-gay and transphobia and misogynistic, um, death

01:01:22.360 threats, death threats to elected officials, to senior officials, some of which we didn't

01:01:26.780 even know at the time we found out afterwards or even worse than we had known at the time

01:01:30.460 of the, of the, uh, of this note being written.

01:01:33.120 We had the threat, uh, of weapons, which we had heard about before the 14th.

01:01:39.040 And then we'd seen at Coutts and the size of that cache of weapons and ammunition.

01:01:43.360 We'd heard that there were kids and vulnerable people in the, in some of the trucks that perhaps

01:01:51.760 were being used to try and keep law enforcement away.

01:01:54.200 Um, all of that.

01:01:57.760 And we had a sense that this wasn't a, uh, single headed Hydra.

01:02:02.500 This was a, there was a sense that there was organization, there was coordination.

01:02:05.980 There was, uh, a degree of, uh, uh, of, um, uh, coordination, I think, amongst, uh, this,

01:02:14.720 this set of activities that was very well financed.

01:02:20.000 What is this woman talking about? 0.90

01:02:22.120 She's talking about Justin Trudeau.

01:02:24.180 Well, that's, you know what I was talking, when I was, I wrote that down when she's like

01:02:28.400 threats to people.

01:02:30.560 Misogyny.

01:02:31.560 That's Justin Trudeau.

01:02:32.700 Um, and there was a lot of coulda, mighta, shoulda, coulda, maybe in her testimony there,

01:02:38.340 where she's like, it could happen.

01:02:40.100 They could do this.

01:02:41.420 They could do that.

01:02:42.340 I'm in Toronto right now.

01:02:43.640 I could die of hating this city.

01:02:46.400 No offense to Torontonians.

01:02:48.600 I've lived there twice.

01:02:49.500 I get it.

01:02:50.000 But, um, you know, like there, if there was hate speech, show me the hate speech charges.

01:02:56.960 There's provisions under the law to charge people with hate speech.

01:03:01.340 If you saw that, where's the charges?

01:03:04.860 If there's charges, fine.

01:03:07.060 But again, there are tools under the law to deal with hate speech online.

01:03:12.000 We already have that.

01:03:13.060 Um, if there's violent rhetoric, um, if, if we're saying like a, a, a threat to cause bodily

01:03:21.240 harm, that's a criminal code problem.

01:03:23.600 Charge that person.

01:03:24.660 You don't, you don't need more policing tools to deal with any of the things that she just 0.98

01:03:30.760 said.

01:03:31.020 Yes.

01:03:32.460 And, and you know, it's an important thing to, to, I was fully expecting that the intelligence

01:03:38.580 people would come out and say, Hey, uh, we have a threat that is so serious that we can't

01:03:43.620 tell you because we have to do it behind closed doors.

01:03:46.240 That was kind of my expectation, but, but here's my issue with that whole argument.

01:03:51.200 If you have a serious threat of that nature, that you can only talk to the judge in, in the

01:03:57.220 commission council behind closed doors, then that tells me that whatever that threat is,

01:04:03.400 you need to have enhanced, um, people in law enforcement, like, uh, the true team for

01:04:10.940 the, uh, the OPP or the ERT team for the RCMP, uh, or even a military special operations,

01:04:16.640 like people that, you know, do that stuff for a living, take down the specific individuals

01:04:22.540 that are a direct threat that you can't share the intelligence about what you don't

01:04:26.920 do is you say, Hey, there's a, there's a, um, there's a crime down the street in my

01:04:31.800 neighborhood.

01:04:32.120 So we're going to have the police sweep through the entire neighborhood.

01:04:35.360 You can't go after everybody with a broad brush.

01:04:39.360 If there's one specific concern that you have.

01:04:42.180 And yet, you know, we'll hear more from the, uh, the director of the CSIS, uh, on Monday,

01:04:48.160 I believe he's up, but this is my prediction.

01:04:51.160 My prediction is that the director of the C of CSIS is going to come on there, uh, Vino on

01:04:56.560 on Monday and actually back up his report.

01:05:00.240 I don't think he's going to contradict his own report.

01:05:02.880 My guess is he's going to go on there and basically make the rest of them look like the 1.00

01:05:06.840 fools that they are. 1.00

01:05:08.100 Okay. 1.00

01:05:08.520 I really do.

01:05:09.620 That's my prediction.

01:05:10.860 I'm willing to be wrong because after all, we're dealing with the federal government and

01:05:14.520 the entire intelligence community that on one side of their faces that actually, yeah,

01:05:19.680 we weren't really worried about section two of the CSIS act, but yeah, it was an illegal

01:05:24.580 occupation and there was violent thoughts, right?

01:05:29.040 So, so the contradictions continuously pile up inside the same sentences.

01:05:35.640 And I want to, I want to warn the viewers of, of all of this.

01:05:38.920 If you thought that the last two days were really hard to watch, wait until Monday to

01:05:44.580 Friday, your, your, your blood is going to boil.

01:05:48.280 And my prediction is by Friday, you're going to be willing, you're, you're going to be ready

01:05:52.320 to burst.

01:05:54.920 So don't watch TV if you have a projectile in your hand, because you're going to lose

01:05:58.180 your TV.

01:05:59.280 Um, it, it sitting in the audience.

01:06:01.480 And I mean, William, Celine can, can confirm this.

01:06:03.880 It's very, very difficult to sit and to listen to this perpetual, uh, real it's like B roll

01:06:11.460 of lies over and over and over.

01:06:14.380 And it's like, it's already been proven.

01:06:16.800 And I don't know how many times in the last five, six weeks we've been at this, that what

01:06:20.760 you're saying is a lie.

01:06:21.780 And you're just regurgitating the talking points from last February.

01:06:25.540 Yeah.

01:06:26.120 You know, it's in their own emails.

01:06:28.680 They contradict their own emails.

01:06:31.180 The clerk of the Privy Council said that there had been no movement on dealing with the truckers,

01:06:36.900 but we've seen emails and correspondence, text messages saying that they had been in communication

01:06:42.280 with you and Tom or you and Keith and, and Tamara on moving the trucks.

01:06:49.320 And that progress had already been made in that you had been moving trucks.

01:06:53.740 Yes.

01:06:54.220 And yet she's saying by week three, we'd seen nothing, but communications with cabinet

01:07:00.280 show that they know.

01:07:03.300 So it's, it's, as you say, it's a B roll of lies.

01:07:07.560 It's gaslighting.

01:07:08.760 The evidence is sitting there for the public to read if they want to read it.

01:07:13.440 I don't know what they're counting on.

01:07:14.960 Are they counting on the mainstream media or the laziness and disinterest of the general

01:07:18.600 public?

01:07:19.000 Well, you're starting to see the mainstream media start to kind of change their story,

01:07:24.940 which is interesting to me.

01:07:29.100 You know, I, I think that the mainstream media smells a little bit of blood in the water.

01:07:34.620 Yeah.

01:07:35.440 And they're hedging their bets because my guess is when this commission comes back and says

01:07:40.300 that the EA was not warranted, you didn't have the right to do it.

01:07:44.360 When it comes back and it's, it's, you know, in the public's favor, not the government's,

01:07:49.320 I think the government, my, again, I, I, I'm hesitant to make a prediction, a prediction,

01:07:54.860 but why not?

01:07:55.460 What have I got to lose really?

01:07:56.700 Right.

01:07:57.160 I think that the government is going to, it's going to force an election in the new year.

01:08:02.380 I won't happen before the report comes out, but I really think that this is going to

01:08:06.920 be just too big of a body blow for the liberal government to withstand, uh, one more monumental

01:08:14.400 scandal like this.

01:08:15.980 I don't think he's going to be able to survive.

01:08:18.220 Uh, and how that mechanism happens.

01:08:20.160 I don't know.

01:08:21.400 I don't know if it's going to be his party ousts him or if it's going to be a vote of

01:08:25.560 non-confidence because you're seeing that there's evidence that the NDP are starting to flip

01:08:29.880 on him.

01:08:30.420 They're asking for a public inquiry about COVID.

01:08:32.980 So things are starting to fall apart and I've heard rumors that in Ottawa right now,

01:08:39.200 amongst the, uh, the leadership of the federal liberal party, that it's turning into a survivor

01:08:45.420 after the merge, when they go into individual immunity or tribal council, somebody is going

01:08:50.720 to get voted off.

01:08:51.820 And we see that Chrystia Freeland is already being pre-positioned to take over as the head

01:08:57.100 of NATO, which is a terrifying thought.

01:09:00.080 Um, oh, I, I, I'm terrified.

01:09:02.980 Of that thought, uh, for the, for the entire planet, not just for, you know, Canada.

01:09:08.260 Um, and so we're, we're seeing all these things move around these shifts.

01:09:12.020 Right.

01:09:12.540 And I think honestly, the, this is my prediction and, and, and I don't, I really don't care

01:09:18.520 if I'm wrong, but my prediction is the report comes back in February, his government

01:09:23.980 legally falls, uh, through mechanisms of parliament and, um, you know, we go into an election.

01:09:32.740 And so I think the media is starting to see that narrative and they're hedging their bets

01:09:37.540 like, okay, I better start supporting the next government.

01:09:40.780 And we think that's going to be the conservatives.

01:09:42.660 I'm hoping, I don't know.

01:09:44.940 Uh, but it's going to be a new government and we better hedge our bets and figure out how 0.92

01:09:49.240 we can get this crap off of us, uh, that we've had for all these years. 0.94

01:09:53.820 Right. 0.99

01:09:54.260 So I think that's the motivation for the media to start turning on the liberals a little bit.

01:10:01.220 They're hedging their bet.

01:10:02.400 I don't think they do anything for virtuous.

01:10:05.120 I'm going to push back.

01:10:06.000 I don't know if they're going to turn on the liberals.

01:10:07.540 I think they'll turn on Justin Trudeau and realize they have hitched their cart to a dead

01:10:12.240 horse.

01:10:13.040 Um, and they want us all to suddenly be hard of remembering about how they, um, vilified

01:10:20.920 the convoy, lied about the convoy, spread fake news about the convoy, published fake

01:10:24.820 news about the convoy, believe the government verbatim.

01:10:27.000 I think they're all of a sudden going to want us to forget about that.

01:10:30.780 And they're going to be like, no, no, we thought this was a bad idea all along.

01:10:34.240 Watch who they start favoring within the liberal cabinet.

01:10:38.380 I think Krista Freeland might be too deep involved in this to come out unscathed.

01:10:42.560 She's not palatable. 1.00

01:10:43.840 Yeah.

01:10:44.600 Yeah.

01:10:44.920 She's like the Vala Harris of Canada, just insufferable. 1.00

01:10:47.440 Basically.

01:10:48.160 Yeah.

01:10:48.540 And I, and I, and I think that's a, uh, even better, I'm willing to accept your assessment

01:10:52.500 over mine.

01:10:53.140 I think that's a better version of this.

01:10:55.480 I, you know, people forget that during when he invoked the emergency act three days in

01:11:00.960 a row, there were liberal members of parliament three days back to back in a row that resigned

01:11:06.100 from his own parliament, uh, or his own party resigned.

01:11:11.940 And, um, so I think that there's going to be an appetite for, for his own party to turn

01:11:17.460 on him.

01:11:17.880 Yeah.

01:11:19.260 He's too toxic.

01:11:20.580 I was thinking about it earlier today about the things that they have not invoked the

01:11:25.140 emergencies act for.

01:11:26.180 Do you remember the Toronto 18 way back in 2006?

01:11:30.560 I do.

01:11:31.140 Two separate terror plots.

01:11:32.960 One to, uh, bomb the Toronto stock exchange.

01:11:36.220 Um, it was basically an Al Qaeda type attack that, um, that, uh, they broke up.

01:11:43.360 And then, um, I forget the second part of it, but anyway.

01:11:48.440 There was one in London.

01:11:49.600 They had one in London.

01:11:50.460 In London.

01:11:50.760 That's right.

01:11:51.540 Yeah.

01:11:51.880 A doctor.

01:11:52.420 Um, and the police had the existing tools to deal with that, to deal with an Al Qaeda style 1.00

01:11:58.480 terror plot to bomb the Toronto stock exchange.

01:12:01.580 They had the tools to deal with that.

01:12:03.620 And Justin Trudeau invoked a wartime law on bounty castles and saunas or whirlpools.

01:12:11.000 Sorry.

01:12:11.720 Doug Ford doing an advertisement for whirlpool. 0.94

01:12:14.940 Anyway, um, it's just ridiculous.

01:12:18.300 Uh, we've got one more clip, Efron, before we let, um, Tom go.

01:12:22.500 And I know that Celine and William, they, they're there until we sign off on the string.

01:12:27.080 So, uh, unless William's already asleep on the couch over there.

01:12:30.600 Anyway, let's go to clip eight.

01:12:32.260 You're half right.

01:12:33.160 I know.

01:12:33.880 I know.

01:12:34.740 Um, clip eight counter protesters and Ottawa busy bodies were seeking injunctions against

01:12:41.020 the freedom convoy and those became the two reasons the emergencies act invoke was invoked

01:12:48.340 said, uh, the deputy clerk for the privy council, uh, Natalie drew in or Duran.

01:12:53.960 I'm not sure how you say it.

01:12:55.000 Um, let's roll that clip and we'll talk about it and then we'll sign off so that, uh, the

01:12:58.820 kids can go home.

01:13:00.140 So, so one of the reason why it was an important factor.

01:13:04.620 So first of all, we were seeing citizen, you know, doing some counter protests, asking

01:13:10.540 the court for an injunction.

01:13:13.240 So when you see the population trying to surround justice because they, they are not comfortable

01:13:19.900 that, uh, law enforcement or government will, will do that is for us like a beginning of

01:13:27.140 a symptom that something worse can happen.

01:13:30.500 We know what's going on in countries when the populations do not have confidence in our

01:13:36.020 public institutions that bring some energy and a lot of, uh, uncivilities.

01:13:42.500 So this is why it was an important element for us.

01:13:46.760 Uh, the, the taking into account the erosion in public institution and making sure that we

01:13:52.880 can address that as soon as possible to avoid the, the, the worst, if I may say.

01:14:00.140 Do these people hear themselves?

01:14:01.940 Yeah.

01:14:02.600 And, and my, my question is let's, if you're going to talk about counter protest being a,

01:14:07.220 uh, a thermometer or the temperature of the public, let's talk about Antifa across this

01:14:13.060 country.

01:14:13.980 I, you guys covered, I watched it when you guys were covering out in Calgary, there was

01:14:18.840 protests out front of a hospital and there was Antifa.

01:14:22.480 They're literally physically assaulting protesters, peaceful protesters in front of Calgary police

01:14:29.100 and Calgary police did nothing.

01:14:31.160 Yep.

01:14:31.980 And had it been reversed, you know, that those police would have actually arrested the, the

01:14:37.060 first group of protesters who were peacefully protesting with signs.

01:14:40.420 We watched the physical assaults and nothing happened.

01:14:43.640 It was catch and release of Antifa.

01:14:45.420 So let's be serious when we're going to talk about protest versus counter protest, because

01:14:50.700 there was a counter protest when James Top arrived here in the nation's capital, when

01:14:56.100 he walked 4,300 kilometers over 131 days and got to the tomb of the unknown soldier right

01:15:02.740 there before his last footsteps was a counter protest.

01:15:06.860 Is that the temperature of this country?

01:15:09.720 We have a counter protest against a five time, uh, deployed combat veteran for this country,

01:15:15.820 but should we invoke the emergency act?

01:15:18.500 Because the temperature of the citizens of Ottawa was so upsetting that we shouldn't invoke

01:15:25.180 the emergency act again for, because of veterans here.

01:15:28.240 Like these people don't listen to themselves.

01:15:30.740 I don't think they do.

01:15:31.860 I mean, she's saying that, you know, we have to invoke the emergencies act because people

01:15:35.560 need confidence in our institutions.

01:15:37.480 Oh, they are, they're protesting because they don't have confidence in the institutions because

01:15:43.080 the institutions have abused them and failed them the last two years.

01:15:47.300 The police, the medical system, the justice system, the government, the charter of rights

01:15:51.420 and freedoms, all failed these people.

01:15:53.160 That's why they went to Ottawa.

01:15:54.320 They are protesting the lack of confidence that they have in the institutions.

01:15:58.880 That's already gone.

01:16:00.280 By the way, the potential for counter protesters to get violent, arrest the counter protesters

01:16:06.420 when they do get violent.

01:16:08.560 But you don't punish everybody.

01:16:10.740 You don't take away everybody's civil liberties because some poorly behaved Antifa show up.

01:16:16.040 You deal with Antifa and you move along, but you don't take away everybody's free speech 0.94

01:16:20.520 because some guy is going to show up and punch you in the face.

01:16:24.080 You take away the guy after he punches you in the face.

01:16:27.600 There was a friends of mine that were from Peterborough that were here delivering food and their

01:16:32.720 truck was completely surrounded by a group of counter protesters.

01:16:37.600 And they were for the first time actually legitimately fearful for their safety.

01:16:41.900 And they were stuck in that truck surrounded by people shaking their truck for hours.

01:16:46.760 There was no police presence to come in and pull them out or save them.

01:16:50.080 And none of the counter protesters got arrested, did they?

01:16:53.040 But, you know, to go back to an earlier point about the confidence of institutions

01:16:57.620 is the first time I ever spoke at a public gathering after the convoy.

01:17:04.180 My message was very clear in what my statements were.

01:17:07.500 I said, right across this country, this convoy was brought about, was manifest by the fact

01:17:14.960 that under the federal and the provincial governments right across this country and

01:17:18.960 the municipal governments, that they disrupted and deliberately harmed the reputations of

01:17:24.500 every institution within our society.

01:17:26.800 We can no longer call ourselves a civilized society anymore because every society turned its

01:17:32.900 back on the Charter of Rights and it turned its back on the citizens who actually pay their

01:17:38.180 salaries.

01:17:39.200 Every single institution from religion to banking to education, policing, courts, medicine, law,

01:17:48.340 every society, every institution in society turned its back on common sense.

01:17:53.880 Yeah.

01:17:54.740 Yeah.

01:17:55.160 I mean, that's why the truckers went.

01:17:57.020 That's why they went is because, you know what?

01:17:59.120 That's what blue collar people do when they see a problem. 0.88

01:18:00.980 They don't wait on somebody else to fix it.

01:18:03.020 They fix it for themselves as best they can.

01:18:05.240 And that's why they went all the way to Ottawa.

01:18:07.040 They had no confidence that the politicians would do what they said they would do.

01:18:11.920 So they went there to have their voices heard.

01:18:14.140 Tom, I want to thank you so much for coming on the show.

01:18:16.400 You're always so generous with your time.

01:18:18.400 I want to preface an earlier statement that I made about Toronto and dying from being in

01:18:24.000 Toronto because I dislike the city so much.

01:18:25.900 I love the people of Toronto.

01:18:27.780 Do not send me emails.

01:18:28.760 I find your city claustrophobic and domineering.

01:18:33.520 And I'm not used to it because I'm a small town Alberta girl, but I love the people here.

01:18:38.740 Hopefully we'll have you back on again next week, Tom, as things get a little bit more

01:18:42.800 insane.

01:18:43.400 We're going to have all the political people trying to save their political skins next week 0.97

01:18:47.480 and say that they did this all for the health and safety of Canadians.

01:18:51.380 Boy, that's a line I've heard a lot these last two years.

01:18:54.800 I'm going to be sitting in the audience with like acupuncture needles in my face and doing 0.68

01:18:59.600 some Zen stuff to try to keep calm in that audience because, you know, our favorite.

01:19:05.220 No, I won't use that word because I'll get into trouble.

01:19:07.540 But, you know, it's I just want to warn everybody.

01:19:11.560 It's going to be very challenging to keep your composure, even if you're in your own living

01:19:15.580 room.

01:19:16.340 Yeah.

01:19:16.880 Well, I'm there two days next week, Tom.

01:19:18.640 So I might, I might be right off the rev limiter.

01:19:21.900 All right.

01:19:23.760 Awesome.

01:19:25.220 I want to thank everybody in studio for helping us get through the day and to special thanks

01:19:31.520 to Will and Celine for the very long, arduous week they put in.

01:19:35.920 Again, special thanks to you, Tom.

01:19:37.440 And as David Menzies always says, stay sane.

Rebel News Podcast - November 18, 2022

BREAKDOWN： Trucker Commission Day 26 ｜ Trudeau's top civil servants testify ｜ Ft. Keith Wilson

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