In the wake of the protests in our nation's capital, Justin Trudeau's government has come under fire for the decision to invoke the Emergencies Act, a wartime law that suspends civil liberties to extinguish completely peaceful protests. Now, the Trudeau government has to answer for it.
00:04:37.580And that change was for truckers that were unvaccinated coming back into the country.
00:04:42.980They had been previously exempt, and they were now going to be subject to public health measures.
00:04:48.600And so we were monitoring very closely both the implementation of that measure,
00:04:52.440as well as talking to the Trucking Association and monitoring,
00:04:56.800because it was clear that at that point in time, despite the very serious record levels of COVID we were facing,
00:05:03.320that Canadians were kind of getting a bit fed up at that point in time.
00:05:07.580With the restrictions and the measures and what they were having to deal with.
00:05:12.500And so that was very much on our minds.
00:05:17.640I don't think it was all that much on their minds, because the point of the protest or the catalyst for the protest was the cross-border vaccine mandate for truckers.
00:05:27.560So it wasn't as though people were getting just sick of the existing restrictions and the never-ending lockdowns.
00:05:34.240But it was the fact that after, you know, a couple of years of living with this,
00:05:39.980with hindsight being 2020, they were still adding more restrictions and hindering people's lives and their Section 6 charter rights to move.
00:05:48.480It's like these people don't talk to normal people at all.
00:05:53.240That was our impression yesterday, too, coming out of the testimony from some of the officials yesterday,
00:05:59.760is that, like, these guys live in an upside-down world bubble.
00:06:03.500It's just remarkable how out of touch.
00:06:07.100You know, one of the things I really want to say is,
00:06:09.160I was watching online because I was working on things for this hearing as well as another case.
00:06:17.980So I wasn't in the hearing room, which was a really good thing,
00:06:20.020because I was shouting at my screen quite a bit, quite loudly.
00:06:24.480And one of the things that incensed me was when the senior official yesterday,
00:15:47.480And it's interesting, being from Alberta, you know, here, you almost never see outside of Ottawa an RCMP cruiser, whereas in Alberta, that's all we see unless you're in one of the cities, right?
00:16:04.340So, for us in Alberta and out west, D.C., you know, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, the RCMP do the municipal policing, they do the provincial policing, and they do the federal policing.
00:16:16.760Whereas here, you know, the local Ottawa police do the municipal and the provincial, and then the provincial police do the stuff outside of the cities.
00:16:26.380And then there's this very limited role for the RCMP, but it's a red herring, because the reality is that they have public order units with the RCMP that were on standby and ready to be deployed.
00:16:40.660A request to deploy them was made up through the chain, and Commissioner Luckey said, no, not yet.
00:16:47.240We had the deputization process that was modified to expedite the process of deputizing police so that they could act within the city of Ottawa.
00:17:00.680What I noticed today was they threw these later witnesses that are really speaking from the Prime Minister and the Cabinet Office through Commissioner Luckey under the bus.
00:17:13.880She is going to be one of their scapegoats.
00:17:18.080And the maneuver that they used was their disappointment with her not communicating a plan, a police action plan to deal with the protesters in Ottawa.
00:17:32.020Therefore, because of the failure of the RCMP and the other police forces to communicate a plan,
00:17:38.120they had to go and grab the small thermonuclear device and throw it.
00:17:50.340It's, again, Clerk of the Privy Council, Janice Charette, I guess, detailing how the government had been hearing about plans being developed to end the Freedom Convoy and some of the other protests.
00:18:02.380But by the third weekend, they hadn't seen any action to end what she called the horrific, these boring people, situation in Ottawa.
00:18:12.160But that's not true because we heard that Cabinet had been informed that there were ongoing negotiations between yourself, Tamara Leach, and Mayor Watson to alleviate some of the problems plaguing the busybodies in downtown Ottawa.
00:18:27.700So, based on other testimony and emails presented before the commission, this just absolutely isn't true.
00:18:38.460And this is someone whose job it is to detail the comings and goings and meetings within Cabinet.
00:18:43.980We've seen evidence that Cabinet was aware that things were happening and that the truckers were operating in good faith and moving trucks out of the downtown core when she's saying this.
00:18:54.160Well, it's more than, to be very precise about it, you know, the negotiations started earlier in the previous week.
00:19:08.240The full board of directors, contrary to someone who seems to have forgotten the events, a former board member who speaks out, was fully briefed at every stage of the negotiations.
00:19:20.560There was very few things I had the luxury of doing in writing while I was there in Ottawa during the protests because of the speed of events.
00:19:29.020There was one thing I made sure I did in writing in emails was get all of the board members to sign off on the deal with the mayor that was agreed to on the Friday night, which would have been the 11th.
00:19:40.560The letters were exchanged on the 12th and the deal finalized the Saturday.
00:19:45.840And then on the Sunday, we agreed to let the mayor go first and release it to the media.
00:19:50.580And then on the Sunday night when the cabinet met, as you've just noted, the senior security advisor who testified yesterday had reported to the cabinet that there was a breakthrough agreement.
00:20:02.020That was the phraseology they used with the truckers to relocate out of downtown and concentrate on Wellington with the rest going out to Van Cleef and the other areas.
00:20:11.700And despite that, and despite the fact that all of the borders were now reopened and that's been confirmed with the municipal officials from the different jurisdictions, with the police officials, with the Canadian Border Service in the last week, that all the borders reopened, didn't matter.
00:20:32.940Only thing that was left was Ottawa. I think the prime minister was angry that the non-laptop class had risen up against him and he was going to show them who really has the authoritarian power here.
00:20:48.480Yeah, no, that's exactly it. And it's funny because these people are testifying and I don't know if, again, did they live in a bubble? Are they watching the other testimony?
00:20:59.300Are they being briefed on the documents that are already in front of the Public Order Commission?
00:21:05.500Like, I don't understand how they can just walk in there and testify to a completely different reality from what we have a paper trail to prove.
00:21:15.040Well, they're hoping that their paid media, the legacy media that's now on the government payroll, you know, and I feel sorry for a lot of those reporters because I'm sure that some of them don't sleep very well at night
00:21:28.120because they can't report the truth anymore like they used to. They have to say, all right, if this story goes out, well, you know, we're not going to get our hundred and whatever million dollars from the government.
00:21:37.640And that means we might not make payroll and we can't make payroll. I'm not going to get a paycheck.
00:21:41.940And then what I'm going to tell my wife or my spouse about the mortgage.
00:21:45.560So I think what they're hoping is their soundbites that they're doing right now.
00:21:50.780And you saw it really in spades this afternoon, this Friday afternoon, with the cabinet level people speaking in terms of staff,
00:21:57.380that their soundbites will get out and then that will become the narrative.
00:22:53.920Clip six, Efron, the one that I jumped out of my chair and ran across the room to you to clip when it was happening live.
00:23:01.600I was much like you, Keith, in that I was sitting at this desk because there's no other desk for me to work at in HQ.
00:23:08.940And every time I heard something crazy, I ran into the control room and said, Efron, we have to clip this.
00:23:13.760Because in clip six, to justify the use of the Emergencies Act, the chief clerk of the Privy Council finally said something that I agree with.
00:23:22.220But she didn't realize that she was probably agreeing with the truckers when she said this too.
00:23:28.840She said that economic security is directly correlated with the ability to maintain and operate secure borders.
00:23:38.080I can't wait till somebody tells this lady about Roxham Road or the vaccine mandates that caused the truckers to begin this protest in the first place.
00:23:46.720Yeah, we do care about operating secure borders and the ability to engage in trade across them.
00:23:56.500Again, just completely lacking in self-awareness.
00:24:00.020So the economic risk, particularly at a time, and I think I tried to set the seed for this when I was talking about the fact that we were just starting budget deliberations as this was all happening.
00:24:13.980And I think Mr. Sabia spoke of other relevant considerations related to United States potential legislation that was being deliberated at the time, which had big impacts on Canada, our competitiveness, our ability to continue to attract investment.
00:24:33.080So when I think about national interest, our economic security is absolutely part of that.
00:24:38.000And that is about the ability to maintain and operate secure borders, to see to the free movement of people, goods, and services across our borders.
00:24:51.960We do $2 billion of trade a day between Canada and the United States, the single most integrated, I think, economy in the world.
00:25:02.340What does that lady think the truckers were there protesting for?
00:25:05.440That's exactly what they were there protesting for.
00:25:07.680The ability to engage in cross-border trade, because that was their job.
00:25:11.900The free movement of people and goods across the largest undefended border in the world.
00:25:22.220That just blew my mind, but I was like, yeah, I actually agree with you there.
00:25:26.700Well, and this is what causes me to react strongly, is that, okay, I think we agree that what she said is important.
00:25:36.040About the free movement of goods across the border, the free movement of people she talked about across the border.
00:25:42.640Let's think Canadians or people traveling lawfully.
00:25:45.120They're just completely tone deaf because look at the economic harm they caused by the border closures, by the travel restrictions, by just even the, you know,
00:26:00.260when we lost the knowledge of people in the trucking industry tell me that it was about 35% of the drivers were lost for cross-border movement.
00:26:09.580At a time when we already had, we have logistics problems and we have supply chain issues.
00:26:15.940So a lot of the trade I'm told from different people I know outside of my normal legal spheres,
00:26:21.260which I like to have a lot of people around me in that way so that I keep my eyes open to things,
00:26:26.260that they started shipping in goods and products by air.
00:26:29.640Well, what did they do to the airports?
00:26:31.060There was over 10,000 airport workers of various kinds that lost their jobs because they exercised their choice not to get vaccinated.
00:26:41.000The tourism industry, who was going to take a trip to Canada if you had to quarantine for 14 days?
00:27:23.740And you wouldn't want those truckers traveling across the border, just a couple of hours across the border and seeing people living normally and then coming back to Canada and saying,
00:27:34.840you know what, things are normal in Florida or South Dakota, which is so close to the border.
00:27:41.780You wouldn't want people coming home with a new benchmark for normal, because then, you know what, they just might rise up and protest you in the nation's capital.
00:27:51.100And looky here, we've got another national emergency on our hands.
00:27:56.980Yeah, it's well, and even I think that's, you know, I'm counsel to former Premier Peckford on the travel mandate challenge.
00:28:03.000And I think one of the reasons they took it down when they did or suspended it in June of this year, June 15th, was because enough people had started to travel through Europe and through England and everywhere else.
00:28:13.800And they're like, wow, COVID's over over here.
00:28:16.180And then all of a sudden they get on the plane and they're told they got to put a mask on as soon as they get close to Canada.
00:28:21.140And then they arrive in this, you know, public health officials and gowns and face shields everywhere and channeling them into booths to be prodded and tested.
00:28:31.960And so I think it was a wake up call for a lot of people.
00:28:43.600When I traveled to Geneva to deliver our human rights complaint to the UN there, you could tell where the Air Canada gates were at the airport.
00:28:54.120Because everything was normal until you got to the Air Canada gate.
00:29:53.700I think they're kind of okay with how it went.
00:29:57.120Um, so I think you're going to see the same messaging from the ministers, but that means we just have to figure out how to crack that nut this weekend and give them a little surprise come Monday, Tuesday.
00:30:26.020Uh, Efron, let's roll and add so that Keith can make a graceful exit.
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00:32:17.200I should tell you, and I should have done this right off the top of the show, but you know what?
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00:32:44.320And so now joining me are my two very hardworking young colleagues, the hardest working young journalists in the business, I think, Selene Gallas and William Diaz from our Ottawa Satellite Studio, just up the road from the Trucker Commission.
00:33:01.720Guys, how's it going? Weird day, right?
00:33:07.660Honestly, I'm just not even sure what we're listening to anymore at this point.
00:33:11.960It's just it's so well rehearsed that, you know, it's bad, right?
00:33:16.380Like when you start hearing the same things, the same words, when they look to their lawyers and they they they proclaim outwardly, can I say this or I should be really careful about how I say this or I don't know if I should say this.
00:33:39.260But I think that we've got some good stuff out today, especially during Brandon Miller's cross-examination of the deputy clerk of the private council.
00:33:53.660So even though it was a little bit of a weird day, we still got some good stuff out.
00:34:13.100When she was, like I was saying to Keith, when she was talking about, you know what?
00:34:17.760We have to protect the free exchange of goods across the border and we can't prevent people from traveling across the border.
00:34:28.760I'm like, what did that lady think that the truckers were protesting?
00:34:32.020That's why they went is because you were going to force them to get a vaccine they didn't want so that they could do their job or lose their job.
00:34:41.040And so she's saying, no, we need to invoke the Emergencies Act to break up the border blockades, which, by the way, had already resolved by the time they used the Emergencies Act.
00:34:52.860So her fake little timeline doesn't even hold together upon examination because people could cross the border if you were vaccinated, I suppose, by the time that they hit the nuclear button of the Emergencies Act.
00:35:07.740I want to go, Efron, to clip five because we've got Janice again and she said that the Freedom Convoy and other protests amounted to a national emergency.
00:35:24.320Canadians didn't like Justin Trudeau, I guess, and that it was urgent, urgent, again, because Justin Trudeau was being embarrassed internationally, I guess.
00:35:34.660Let's roll clip five, please, and then we'll talk about it.
00:35:38.380The view that I came to was that whether there were still authorities that had not been fully used, that the situation overall was a national emergency.
00:35:55.040There was the threat of serious violence that put at risk the lives, the health and safety, the security of Canadians, our economic fortunes, and that, taken together, that was beyond the capacity of any individual province or territory to deal with.
00:36:11.240We were seeing this on a national scale, breakouts or incidents from coast to coast to coast, including, you know, cross-border traffic, even between, I think it was Alberta and one of the territories.
00:36:27.180This was a situation which had been escalating.
00:36:30.860I think we were on day 18 of what was happening in Ottawa.
00:36:34.160This was a scale, this was an escalation, this was a series of volatility.
00:36:40.500It didn't seem that there was any province or territory that had the power to deal with this uniquely on their own.
00:36:46.540But there may have been individual agencies that could have dealt with a piece of it.
00:36:51.120There were individual sites that could have been dealt with through specific tools.
00:36:55.880There were potentially individual threats that could have been dealt with by one agency or actor or another.
00:37:01.260But if you look at the totality of it all, that's what lies behind this advice.
00:37:08.520What on earth is that lady talking about?
00:37:13.080She says, you know, there were these things happening across the country.
00:37:17.500But she admits, she prefaces her statement by saying whether or not there were tools, like law enforcement tools, remaining to deal with these things.
00:37:27.820Well, that's the whole point of the Emergencies Act.
00:37:29.660It has to be if there are no law enforcement tools left.
00:37:33.320And that clearly wasn't the case because Alberta had resolved.
00:38:21.580Once again, I think if I hear one person mention Section 2 of the CISIS Act after this long inquiry is done, I'm going to walk away.
00:38:30.840Section 2 of the CISIS Act defines what a threat to national security is.
00:38:36.120And for the Emergencies Act to be invoked, Section 2 of the CISIS Act, the threshold of Section 2 of the CISIS Act has to be met in regards to whether or not we are seeing a threat to the national security of our country.
00:38:48.200And it has to be the only option, which means that it has to be necessary.
00:38:54.160And CISIS itself and documents that keep being presented to the Commission, it's fine to look at the questions and answers of the witnesses and the lawyers, but it's also super crucial and important to look at the documents.
00:39:07.020Because the documents that are presented by Alan Honor from the Democracy Fund, the documents that are presented by Brendan Miller from Freedom Corp, those are relevant documents that show exactly what CISIS was thinking at the time of the Emergencies Act.
00:39:40.720I guess I'll try and get something in there, but I agree with William, obviously.
00:39:45.100I think, again, like when you break down the fact that you I personally have I've just taken to it very naturally.
00:39:52.360I have a thing for for seeing patterns, for recognizing those things.
00:39:56.820Like when you hear the same quotes, the same phrases that they use, it just reminds me that the longer that we see this prolonged period of examination for this emergency inquiry,
00:40:09.480the more that I start to see how much of a sham it is, because I just can't possibly comprehend how no one these again, the higher you go in the Liberal cabinet, the less questions are answered.
00:40:25.140Someone tell me how that's in any way, shape or form appropriate.
00:40:28.320It doesn't make any sense to me, Sheila, as I was saying to Keith, you know, when we were listening to the experts, as the Liberals have told me to do for the last two years.
00:40:38.240So I did. I listened to policing experts and CSIS said no threat.
00:40:55.540Even in their disarray and mayhem and confusion and chaos in that department, they said you didn't need the EA.
00:41:05.360And, you know, despite people calling hurt feelings violence, Peter Slowly and Steve Bell, despite that, they also said they didn't need the Emergencies Act.
00:41:17.760I imagine it was, if you don't care about civil liberties and you can just run roughshod over people to do your jobs, you know, without any guardrails or bumpers on the wall.
00:41:26.380You can do a lot of things to a lot of people.
00:41:28.440Cut a lot of corners, which basically is what they admitted that the EA helped them do.
00:41:36.540You just mentioned the Ottawa Police Services, and I don't know if you've been following it closely.
00:41:40.580There are cross-examinations of witnesses, but there's something very interesting that happened either yesterday or the day before with the Council for the Ottawa Police Services.
00:41:51.020The Council for the Ottawa Police Services was cross-examining one of the witnesses from the federal government and criticized the witness, criticized the government for not speaking with a protester.
00:42:02.700He literally, his last question, that was very interesting to witness, because I think the lawyers are starting to change their tune.
00:42:09.740They're seeing that they cannot go along with their original narrative.
00:42:13.060They're seeing the actual evidence being presented.
00:42:15.320And this lawyer, his last question was, well, there was an option.
00:42:19.480The federal government could have talked to the protesters, and not a single one of them has.
00:42:29.060You know, I think there's, I don't know if the lawyers for the other side, I guess, are changing their tunes, or if they're seeing which way the wind is blowing.
00:42:41.280They're sort of trying to get out in front of it.
00:42:42.820They don't want to get burned down with Justin Trudeau.
00:42:45.980But the point I was trying to make, before I drifted off into just nonsense, was that the policing experts, and if you can call the OPS experts on anything except disorder, but the policing experts all said we didn't need this.
00:43:03.080It's only the people who are not experts on anything except politics.
00:43:08.960They're the ones who are saying this was needed.
00:43:11.220These two ladies today from the Privy Council said that the Emergencies Act was necessary.
00:43:21.260Now, they also said all policing resources had not been exhausted.
00:44:16.640It's very frustrating to watch this because the back and forth, they're even just blatantly sarcastic, giving attitude to the lawyers and just flat out not answering questions.
00:44:26.980How is that allowed? Where is the standard that we're setting?
00:44:29.980Like, what's the president's for this even?
00:44:31.880Like, you know, I'll answer everything that I'm instructed to answer and anything else you will not get an answer for.
00:44:37.600This is not the way that anything should be happening.
00:44:39.840We've seen this from all the political people.
00:44:45.020Even if I disagreed with them, at least they did their best to answer their questions.
00:44:48.300Again, even if the answers were nonsensical, Peter slowly.
00:44:53.280But it's the political operatives here, like Matthew Flurry, like Catherine McKinney, who they don't really care about what's right and what's wrong.
00:45:07.140They care about political expediency, what's going to get me elected, what's going to make the people who voted for me happy.
00:45:13.140They really don't care about the other people who live there and the rights of the other people.
00:45:19.100And, you know, these two from the Privy Council, you know, like just absolutely no self-awareness.
00:45:24.500They keep talking about the economic carnage caused by, you know, a week's worth of border blocking.
00:45:31.020Well, what about the economic carnage of two years of lockdowns?
00:45:34.380And then these people finally go back to work and you say, ah, ah, ah, but you can't go across the border now, even though you have been for two years.
00:45:45.020You care about the people who are dealing with phantom honking, which I can't even believe is a real thing, but it was.
00:45:51.220And that's a new part of their narrative as well.
00:45:53.820The first time I heard that was yesterday when Deputy Minister Michael Sabias was testifying.
00:45:58.460And he interrupted his train of thought to point out, supposedly very empathetically, that there was real human impacts of that border blockade at Windsor for the, what, two to three days that it was there, that there was a handful of people there.
00:46:22.260It's like Keith Wilson says, these are the laptop class.
00:46:25.040The people on the screen that we're looking at right now, they've got to go to work.
00:46:29.740These are productive people that bring you the things that you need so you can sit in your apartment, in your pajamas, and work on your laptop.
00:46:37.140And it might bother the people of Ottawa that they had to look at them for three weeks, but I don't care.
00:46:44.180Useful people wanted to go to work because there's dignity in work.
00:46:48.780There's dignity in providing for your family.
00:46:50.880There's dignity in surviving and not taking from the government.
00:46:53.640And that's all that these people wanted.
00:46:55.660And they've been vilified for it, criminalized for it.
00:48:11.020But all I hear about from the other side of this is that honking was violence and that there was a feeling that they didn't like in the air.
00:48:20.500Yeah, well, I mean, there's always an opportunity for danger.
00:48:27.120You know, just going on a walk outside, who knows if someone's going to stab you?
00:48:31.880Who knows if there's a car that's going to run over you?
00:48:33.820Who knows if you're going to fall in front of you and just hit your head and die on the spot?
00:48:38.900But there's always a threat of something happening.
00:48:41.160There's a point that you made earlier, and I think it was a very good point about the government, about how rotten our government here in Ottawa is.
00:48:47.560And I had a very interesting conversation with Brendan Murray yesterday, a freedom of convoy lawyer.
00:48:52.880And our government truly has an issue.
00:48:58.360If you look at question period, and that's what we're talking about, what's the point of – well, Sheila and then Celine, what's the point of question period?
00:49:04.840What's the point of having question period in our government?
00:49:08.900It's the opportunity for the opposition to hold the government to account on behalf of the people.
00:49:14.680They're there to oppose the government.
00:49:17.320Whether or not we get a response is another thing.
00:50:22.320There's some things to the legislative level at the level of our government that have to change.
00:50:28.060For instance, question period, that's one place that something could change.
00:50:31.460What about a law that would force the ministers to actually answer questions?
00:50:35.460What about a law that would give the person, the House Speaker, the power to decide, okay, well, you asked the question, so you're going to answer the question that you were just asked.
00:50:51.600And that's just one example of how rotten our government in Ottawa is.
00:50:55.340And I think what's missing there, though, is the or what in all of this.
00:51:00.200It's the same problem with the Public Order Emergency Commission.
00:51:04.120If Trudeau is found to have abused the civil liberties of Canadians by acting like a tyrant, pulling the old Ahmadinejad on peaceful protesters in the town square, what happens to him?
00:51:20.000He has the bought and paid for store-bought media who will run cover for him.
00:51:25.180He won't even, there's not even an option to give the man a $300 fine like when he has his ethics violations.
00:51:32.420He could be found culpable in suspending the civil liberties of 39 million Canadians for matters of ego and nothing will happen to him at the end of the day.
00:51:48.320So, yeah, it goes without saying that things definitely need to change because who holds their politicians accountable?
00:52:42.440Let's throw to an ad so that these two can, like Keith Wilson, leave gracefully.
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00:53:40.840So now that my two colleagues have left the set, I'm joined now by a Convoy member, Tom Marazzo.
00:54:05.220So, Tom, I don't know how you want to describe yourself, but actually, you know what, we get some people asking for a little bit more context about who some of our guests are.
00:54:14.760So, Tom, why don't you explain your role during the convoy?
00:54:17.280I'll let you explain it instead of me trying to fuddle my way through it.
00:54:22.480So, I came originally at the, probably two days after the convoy rolled into Ottawa.
00:54:27.940And then once I got here, I kind of was here just to help out with some of the logistics.
00:54:34.580And then as time went on, my role started to evolve.
00:54:38.440Once Keith and Eva arrived, then I started to work a lot with Keith and Eva.
00:54:44.760But all throughout the time I spent working with the police liaison teams and trying to make sure that everything was very safe and responsible.
00:54:55.000With the truck convoy members that were in the streets, but also working with the police.
00:55:01.640And then as time went on, like the situation was evolving.
00:55:04.320So, that's when Keith, myself and Eva started to kind of try to get the ball rolling with other members of the leadership within the convoy and try to get some traction going.
00:55:16.900And so, that's why if anyone saw in the testimony for this public inquiry or the commission, I had spoken about my role or it was told to the public that I was in meetings with the city manager, Keith and Eva.
00:55:33.140But it was just something that I never had an opportunity to discuss.
00:55:36.180So, a lot of people seem to be surprised about it when I testified.
00:55:39.480But the reality is, it wasn't a secret.
00:55:42.760It was just, those were meetings that I participated in.
00:56:00.480Oh, well, well, you know, it's just been, it's been constant.
00:56:06.800I'm just getting hit from all sides over my testimony from, from various groups that are allegedly on our side.
00:56:14.620I'm just getting hit from all sides because, you know, they, they saw the testimony and it was things that they had never heard in probably the 50 or 60 interviews that I've given since the convoy.
00:56:25.760Um, because, uh, you know, it was just never important to bring those details up.
00:56:37.500Even though I campaigned against Doug Ford in the last Ontario election, and I did several videos denouncing everything about Doug Ford, that the latest rumor is that, uh, I work directly for Doug Ford.
00:56:52.880Um, and that, you know, that my favorite one is controlled opposition.
00:57:40.780Uh, you, you, you can't put out the rumors, but I don't even care to at this point.
00:57:44.800Um, people say like, I could explain it a thousand times and people will still come up with a new creative way to make me answer the same question.
00:57:59.940Um, let's throw to clip seven, Efron, because as you can tell viewers at home, uh, Tom's obviously just a wild man, hard to control.
00:58:09.640Um, and, uh, incredibly out of control.
00:58:14.080He just has zero composure whatsoever.
00:58:16.640Um, that is, of course, if you listen to these two, uh, crones who work for the Privy Council, those are my words, not Tom's.
00:58:26.380Um, Janice Charette, she's the chief clerk of the Privy Council.
00:58:30.780So like the chief bureaucrat really of the country.
00:58:34.400Um, and she explains that there were layers of threats from the Freedom Convoy.
00:58:42.620And she noted the quote, incredibly violent rhetoric posted online by people that God only knows if they're even in the convoy or they're just saying stuff on Facebook.