Rebel News Podcast - BREAKDOWN： Trucker Commission Day 27 ｜ CSIS director, Emergency Prep Minister testify

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00:00:23.880 Oh, good evening, everybody, and welcome to the show we call Breakdown.

00:00:27.460 It's our daily analysis of what went down at the Public Order Emergency Commission.

00:00:33.120 That's the official examination of the Trudeau government's actions in invoking a wartime law,

00:00:37.920 the Emergencies Act, to extinguish an entirely peaceful anti-mandate protest in the nation's

00:00:43.880 capital that just had grown a little bit too embarrassing for Justin Trudeau.

00:00:48.000 And we just wrapped up, Celine and I and William over there, and K2 behind the camera,

00:00:52.840 we just wrapped up a 12-hour day?

00:00:55.500 12 hours, yeah.

00:00:56.100 12 full hours in the commission room.

00:00:58.920 And we're joined today by trucker lawyer, Keith Wilson, just to my left here.

00:01:05.400 And Keith, it was a crazy day today.

00:01:07.720 We heard from the director of CSIS, and then the top spy in the country,

00:01:12.840 the assistant director of CSIS, and then the top intelligence analyst, I guess, in the country.

00:01:20.220 And I'll go directly to our first clip after we set it up.

00:01:27.140 But the director of CSIS, that's David Vigneault, he testified that CSIS was not investigating the convoy as a whole.

00:01:38.220 They said that there were some what they call IMVEs, ideologically motivated violent extremists.

00:01:44.340 That's a term I hope I never hear again.

00:01:46.020 It's just so droned into your head after daylight today.

00:01:49.540 But he said that they were not really investigating the convoy for any of those things.

00:01:56.020 There might have been people who were attaching themselves to the convoy that were sort of on CSIS's radar.

00:02:02.220 But the convoy itself was not a threat, according to CSIS.

00:02:06.020 That's right.

00:02:06.740 They didn't feel they met the threshold, and their intelligence didn't support that there was anything to investigate.

00:02:11.760 Isn't that interesting?

00:02:13.320 And yet, and we'll get to it in a bit, the CSIS director, David Vigneault, advised Justin Trudeau to just drop the hammer anyway.

00:02:22.920 Yeah.

00:02:23.780 I think we'll get to that in a second.

00:02:25.220 Let's go to clip one.

00:02:26.080 This is the CSIS director testifying that they were not investigating the convoy.

00:02:32.940 Right.

00:02:33.820 But the service was not investigating the anti-public health measures movement broadly, for example,

00:02:40.460 and it certainly wasn't investigating the convoy itself as a discrete topic.

00:02:48.000 No.

00:02:48.140 Is that right?

00:02:48.780 As was mentioned earlier, we are prevented by law to investigate protests and lawful dissent.

00:02:55.440 We're not investigating the convoy itself.

00:02:58.160 Our interest is to understand how that dynamic is potentially influencing individuals who may, individuals that were known already to CSIS,

00:03:08.880 and others potentially to radicalize further and engage in potential threat-related activity.

00:03:16.700 So we were not investigating the convoy.

00:03:19.420 Right.

00:03:20.700 You know, that's interesting because the CSIS Act specifically restrains CSIS from surveilling or examining lawful protests,

00:03:31.860 including anti-government protests, as long as they're peaceful.

00:03:34.580 Yeah, and I mean, I think we all take some comfort in that or should, but I think we all similarly had some unease about this whole concept of ideologically motivated extremists.

00:03:48.500 When they were talking about the definition of that and how broad it was, and it's somebody who not only believes something,

00:03:57.980 but believes on it to the extent that they want to act it out and change the world around them,

00:04:03.060 to have the world around them be different than it is today.

00:04:06.000 It sounds like a Christian.

00:04:07.440 I was just about to say, it sounds like religion or an environmentalist or, you know, a scout leader.

00:04:14.520 Right.

00:04:14.780 I mean, where do we stop?

00:04:17.240 It just seems this is, and they've mentioned it's a new thing.

00:04:20.520 Very new.

00:04:20.840 And the first time I started reading up on this.

00:04:21.940 We used to call them terrorists.

00:04:23.800 Yes.

00:04:24.360 Yeah.

00:04:24.840 Many definitions these days.

00:04:26.300 No, we used to accept that there's people that have different views about how the world should be.

00:04:31.420 Right.

00:04:31.780 And they're entitled to stand on a street corner and tell you all about it.

00:04:36.160 It's not illegal to be kooky.

00:04:37.340 They're entitled to start a club.

00:04:37.880 Yeah.

00:04:38.020 And push these views.

00:04:40.140 But now it seems to be a trigger of whether or not the government gets to watch you and whether it puts you in an offside zone, which is disconcerting to hear some of it.

00:04:52.100 Yeah.

00:04:52.400 And I wonder why they changed the phraseology.

00:04:56.160 I think probably to make it more broad, right?

00:04:58.260 Because we used to say, okay, well, that's a terrorist doing terrorist things and that's a terrorist cell.

00:05:02.960 And now it's ideologically motivated violent extremists.

00:05:07.500 But we've also seen how they changed the definition of violence to include inconvenience and honking.

00:05:14.680 Yes.

00:05:15.340 And how people feel.

00:05:16.740 Right.

00:05:17.260 As opposed to, and that was really clear through a number of the testimony today that they've also morphed that.

00:05:24.000 I mean, we associate on an intuitive level of violence to be, you know, obviously reprehensible, but something that's physical in nature.

00:05:32.120 Right.

00:05:32.360 And we've seen throughout the inquiry, starting from the very first witnesses from the city residents, that it was felt aggressions and felt violence.

00:05:43.700 One of the senior police officials also talked about that.

00:05:46.100 So we're getting a lot of double speak into language that is very disconcerting. 1.00

00:05:53.420 Yeah.

00:05:54.680 Well, I think one of my favorite clips today, though, is clip number two.

00:05:59.860 And this was the lawyer from the JCCF examining the top security apparatus in this country and making them answer to every specific portion of Section 2 of the CSIS Act, which is the bar.

00:06:21.140 It's the test.

00:06:22.140 It's the bar.

00:06:22.920 If you have to hit four of those to, or, you know, at least one of the four.

00:06:28.720 Yeah.

00:06:28.920 They hit none of the four.

00:06:30.080 And actually, they didn't even worry about the fourth because they said it was so non-existent that they didn't even bother investigating.

00:06:36.720 That's right.

00:06:37.040 You have to hit one of the four to initiate the Emergencies Act.

00:06:41.300 And so let's go to clip two because it's quite astounding.

00:06:43.400 That a terrorist group was going to pretend to use an event in order to conduct a terrorist activity.

00:06:56.960 Well, of course, that would be of interest to CSIS.

00:06:59.400 But we are very, very conscious and aware of balancing the rights of individuals in a democracy like Canada with our own mandate and our more intrusive techniques.

00:07:09.100 Okay, Mr. Vigneault, so looking at, let's look at, we can look at A first.

00:07:16.780 Based on the services assessment, there was no espionage or sabotage associated with the protest, correct?

00:07:24.460 That's correct.

00:07:25.220 So the 2A definition wasn't met?

00:07:29.220 No.

00:07:30.240 Okay.

00:07:30.900 And there was no foreign interference?

00:07:33.440 We have, I think it's in our testimony that we have said that we investigated foreign interference in relation to the event, including foreign funding.

00:07:47.160 And we do not see these activities amounting to a threat to Secure of Canada.

00:07:51.280 So 2B wasn't met?

00:07:53.940 Yeah.

00:07:54.860 Thank you.

00:07:56.080 And there wasn't any serious violence associated with the protests?

00:07:59.740 I would not say that.

00:08:03.560 Or a credible threat of serious violence?

00:08:06.740 That's not what we're looking at.

00:08:08.580 We're looking at, you know, how these events or individuals, you know, might engage in activities that meet our threshold.

00:08:15.900 That this is where I was answering questions earlier about, you know, distinction between what law enforcement would be doing in terms of serious violence versus what we would do as a CSIS under the confine of the CSIS Act.

00:08:27.520 Okay.

00:08:27.920 I'll be more specific then.

00:08:28.880 There were no activities within or relating to Canada directed toward or in support of the threat or use of acts of serious violence against persons or property for the purpose of achieving a political, religious, or ideological objective within Canada, correct?

00:08:41.520 Yes.

00:08:41.900 And we've testified to that earlier.

00:08:44.440 So 2C wasn't met?

00:08:45.880 2C was not met.

00:08:47.040 Okay.

00:08:47.880 And just quickly, there was no credible threat to overthrowing our established system of government?

00:08:54.240 I can say that we have not investigated under 2D.

00:09:01.020 It was astounding because if you watch mainstream media, all you hear is that this was a seditionist plot.

00:09:05.500 Well, and this is another theme that's emerged where the law is clear, the test is clear, it's a checklist, you cannot invoke the Emergencies Act unless you can check certain boxes.

00:09:19.980 Yeah.

00:09:20.980 And the testimony from the OPP intelligence people, the RCMP, the Ottawa Police Service, the Solicitor General for the Province of Ontario, senior government officials, the Deputy Attorney General or Public Safety Minister for Canada have all been the same, which is none of the tests were met.

00:09:45.420 But then they proceed to say, as we heard today from the Director of CSIS, well, I recommended it anyway.

00:09:53.320 Yeah.

00:09:53.780 And that is illegal.

00:09:56.860 That is an unlawful thing to do, particularly when you're talking about invoking a measure that allows the federal government to intrude into provincial jurisdiction, which they did,

00:10:08.140 and strip Canadians of fundamental rights, freeze their personal bank accounts, freeze their corporate bank accounts, prevent them from meeting, cut businesses from meeting payroll, preventing parents from paying for daycare, rent, and food.

00:10:23.180 Right.

00:10:23.520 And subsequently, we found out that they were denying bank loans after the fact, like Farm Credit Canada was guilty of that.

00:10:30.220 And yeah, after the fact, that takes us to our next clip, the same CSIS director who just testified that none of the benchmarks were reached by the convoy under Section 2 of the CSIS Act, he, and I think that there were documents that said that he would, that we saw, I think it was February 10th, where he was saying there are no plots within the convoy, there are no serious threats within the convoy.

00:10:57.140 I think he might be the only law enforcement official who uses the word violence correctly in this whole thing.

00:11:03.920 But by the 13th, I think he met with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

00:11:09.600 And all of a sudden, things changed.

00:11:11.480 And he said that it was because he received outside legal advice, but I hardly think it was outside because he got it from the Justice Department, which wanted to invoke the Emergencies Act anyway.

00:11:22.740 Well, I think the Prime Minister wanted to invoke the Emergencies Act.

00:11:25.920 Definitely.

00:11:26.060 He needed someone to say, okay, good idea.

00:11:29.460 And we didn't learn until yesterday of the existence of that document.

00:11:36.780 And this is another problem.

00:11:38.440 Right.

00:11:38.900 Since leaving the hearing room, we just got served.

00:11:42.740 Again?

00:11:43.840 Since you left the hearing room, we just got bombarded again with another large document dump from the federal government,

00:11:52.800 despite the fact that half of their witnesses have already testified, the conduct of the federal government and how the commission is allowing this to happen without consequence and doing nothing to bring fairness back into the process is severely undermining the integrity and the credibility of the commission process and this whole hearing.

00:12:15.780 Right.

00:12:16.180 Because you're not even getting the full scope of the evidence and you're trying to craft questions, but you can't ask questions if you don't even know what the full story is.

00:12:23.820 As we were there today, you and I saw it firsthand.

00:12:27.240 We're sitting behind Brendan Miller and the Freedom Team, and they're getting documents dumped on them.

00:12:35.600 They're getting documents that were suddenly becoming unredacted.

00:12:39.420 And then Brendan Miller's got to fight to re-examine a witness who he's just getting new evidence on while the witness is testifying.

00:12:47.980 No, it's horrible.

00:12:48.760 The conduct that we've seen is, I mean, it really just goes to show people how, gosh, what's the nice way of saying this?

00:12:57.620 There's not a nice way of saying it, actually.

00:12:59.860 But the incompetency of the federal government, 100%.

00:13:02.700 Oh, I don't think they're incompetent.

00:13:04.140 I think they're conniving.

00:13:05.600 I'd say arrogance.

00:13:06.700 Yep.

00:13:07.720 Evil?

00:13:08.000 Well, that too.

00:13:09.740 It's anonymous, yeah.

00:13:10.640 I say that because they, in the same way that they took advantage and so uncaringly stripped 6 million Canadians of their ability to travel and be with loved ones and have their fundamental right of mobility, how they so quickly made the decision that everyone, if you worked at an airport or in a train station or were a federal subcontractor or a prison guard,

00:13:37.980 or a park warden, et cetera, that you had to be vaccinated without any consideration of, you know, if it's a 21-year-old park worker, the risk of the vaccine is far higher than the risk of COVID.

00:13:53.960 So, in the same way that the government has been so cavalier about trampling Canadians' rights, that same cultural approach of this Trudeau government we're seeing manifest in the inquiry process in real time on live TV.

00:14:10.500 Now, can, is there any sort of, I don't know, anything you can do about that?

00:14:17.060 Like, does the commissioner know that they're giving you these document dumps on the witness while the witness is testifying?

00:14:24.280 Partly seems fair.

00:14:25.560 Well, two things happen.

00:14:28.900 One is a judge in any hearing or proceeding or a commissioner or a tribunal member will only keep the respect of the room if they treat the parties with respect.

00:14:44.500 So, when a party is completely out of line and the decision maker, the person with the authority does nothing about it, then there's no point in anybody else being in line.

00:14:57.540 So, if the commissioner Rouleau doesn't do something about this, I think he's going to lose control of the room.

00:15:04.020 Um, that's, that's just sort of a practical human nature thing that happens.

00:15:11.320 Um, and you already started to see flavors of it today with the frustration of the lawyers.

00:15:16.520 But the other thing that normally happens is that the, the, the judge, or in this case, a commissioner says, all right, well, what do we got to do to make this fair?

00:15:25.420 If you're just getting these documents now, normally what they would do is they would adjourn.

00:15:30.480 Right.

00:15:31.320 Automatically.

00:15:31.880 It'd be just an instant adjournment.

00:15:33.040 I've seen this in regular court cases.

00:15:34.700 All the time.

00:15:35.060 All the time.

00:15:35.560 Somebody tries to bring the surprise document.

00:15:37.140 Do you want an adjournment?

00:15:38.080 You got it.

00:15:38.780 Right.

00:15:39.000 Right.

00:15:39.580 And then there'd be a cost consequence and other things.

00:15:42.980 So, there'd be an adjournment.

00:15:45.020 And then what would happen is, um, there'd be a rescheduling and then you'd have an opportunity to re-examine that witness and rely on that documentation.

00:15:54.880 I don't know what he's going to do here.

00:15:56.380 We're in our last week.

00:15:57.900 Um, he's up against a time crunch, but I don't know what he's going to do.

00:16:03.040 I just think it's so ridiculous.

00:16:04.380 They have entire departments dedicated to getting documents in every ministry.

00:16:10.060 It's worse than that.

00:16:11.080 Yeah.

00:16:11.700 The reason it's worse than that is of all the parties who knew first.

00:16:17.700 Right.

00:16:18.360 That they were going to have to gather these documents.

00:16:21.040 Exactly.

00:16:21.660 The federal government knew on February 14th.

00:16:25.180 Right.

00:16:25.740 Because they know, it says right in section 63 of the act, within 60 days of invocation or revocation of it, you have, there's going to be a public inquiry.

00:16:35.720 Right.

00:16:36.160 Which they delayed.

00:16:37.540 Which they delayed.

00:16:38.260 But the point is they knew first about this obligation.

00:16:41.660 They have the largest legal department in Ottawa in terms of law firm.

00:16:46.880 Uh, they have endless resources of staff.

00:16:50.400 And so I think it's a combination of tactical.

00:16:54.000 Yep.

00:16:54.120 Uh, to throw us off, to prevent us from having the good stuff, to frustrate us, to model us up and, um, just their sheer arrogance combined with their incompetence.

00:17:03.880 He's already lost control of the room at that point.

00:17:06.020 And you started to see in the very, very beginning, there was some sort of standard that everyone was setting.

00:17:11.080 People were more respectful.

00:17:12.500 Respectful, we'll say.

00:17:13.460 There wasn't a lot of objections in the beginning.

00:17:16.260 People were allowed to go.

00:17:17.520 He gave time.

00:17:18.300 I understand that there is a time crunch towards the end of this.

00:17:21.540 But at the same time, you have to equate for the fact that when you have the other half of the room that is receiving all of these documents, that no human on this earth can possibly go through.

00:17:31.920 They know these things.

00:17:32.640 We're watching them read the documents.

00:17:34.620 They know these things.

00:17:35.100 Well, not only that, just to add insult to injury, not that I'm going to get much worse.

00:17:39.860 There's a fair number of the documents that we've been able to go through since I saw you last, you know, seemingly moments ago.

00:17:46.020 Yeah.

00:17:47.000 They're illegible and they're undated.

00:17:50.000 So we can't make them out.

00:17:51.700 They're screenshots of text messages, but you can't.

00:17:54.740 They're so blurry and pixelated that we can't tell who they're from and who they're to or what they say.

00:17:59.960 Another incompetency from the federal government.

00:18:01.900 And you just start to feel like they're playing us all for fools and maybe they're right.

00:18:06.980 I don't know.

00:18:07.340 I hope not.

00:18:08.040 Yeah.

00:18:08.580 Well, yeah.

00:18:08.920 And they do have endless resources.

00:18:10.440 They have like departments of people that all they do is gather documents.

00:18:14.460 100%.

00:18:14.960 And they've had months and months.

00:18:17.400 They've delayed this once.

00:18:19.100 And now while Bill Blair's testifying, you're getting more of his text messages.

00:18:23.120 It's crazy.

00:18:24.540 It's sick.

00:18:25.100 It's crazy.

00:18:25.800 Yeah.

00:18:25.920 Let's go to clip three, please, Zafron, in studio.

00:18:30.040 It's CSIS Director David Vigneault explaining that despite the fact that the convoy didn't rise to the level of Section 2 of the CSIS Act, he told the Prime Minister, you know what?

00:18:44.020 Do her anyway. 0.60

00:18:44.740 So, sorry, that threat that you're speaking about is with respect to individuals, but the protest itself did not pose a Section 2 threat to the security of Canada.

00:18:56.040 What we've testified to is that we did not make a determination at the event itself, and I think it's part of our testimony, yes.

00:19:05.600 Okay.

00:19:06.060 And yet you still advised the Prime Minister to invoke the Emergencies Act?

00:19:10.420 Yes, I did.

00:19:11.640 And you did that not because you thought that the protest posed a threat to the security of Canada as defined in Section 2 of the CSIS Act, but because you were reassured that threat to the security of Canada had a different meaning in the context of the emergency.

00:19:26.040 I think my testimony was in part that, but it was also based on all of the other information that, you know, I became aware of during all of the interdepartmental meetings and cabinet meetings I participated in.

00:19:39.880 So, it was, I was provided, that opinion was provided, if you want, as a national security advisor, as opposed to the director of CSIS specifically.

00:19:51.460 He said, oh, wait, wait, I didn't catch that the first time.

00:19:53.920 He said national security advisor.

00:19:55.720 So, that's Jody Thomas.

00:19:57.340 Right.

00:19:57.980 We all know how that went.

00:20:00.220 What sort of intelligence could she possibly give to something when she has zero policing expertise?

00:20:06.540 She has no history of anything.

00:20:07.860 She's appointed by Justin Trudeau.

00:20:10.060 That's it.

00:20:11.020 She, uh... 0.98

00:20:11.820 That was accountable?

00:20:12.940 Yeah.

00:20:13.300 Are you kidding?

00:20:13.480 Well, and if I'm understanding what happened today, and I think I am, they were never at, like, CSIS was never asked to provide a threat assessment on the convoy to cabinet.

00:20:27.060 Did I get that right?

00:20:28.960 They actually, I think, went around CSIS.

00:20:31.040 No, they, they provided a threat assessment and all of their, well, they provided assessments.

00:20:36.660 Assessments.

00:20:37.260 Whether it's technically a threat assessment or not, I'm not sure.

00:20:40.180 But they provided assessments on two occasions.

00:20:42.640 Right.

00:20:43.120 They're in evidence.

00:20:44.220 And both of them concluded that they were, that was not a threat to national security.

00:20:49.280 Which is odd, because if, why even get an assessment from CSIS if CSIS's assessment is not going to be the assessment you're going to use to invoke the Emergencies Act, which relies on CSIS assessment?

00:21:03.320 Because that whole line is something they developed in the last week.

00:21:09.580 Right.

00:21:09.900 Because they saw all the evidence coming out, because remember, Mendocino said no fewer than seven times in the House and various committee meetings that it was the police forces that asked for the invocation.

00:21:22.200 Right, yes, that's right.

00:21:23.200 And once we started having each different police force multiple times testify, wasn't me, wasn't me, wasn't me, they started to run out of field to run on.

00:21:32.700 Right.

00:21:32.880 And then when the bureaucrats came in and said, well, it wasn't us, it wasn't us, it wasn't us, they now had to come up with a completely brand new story.

00:21:41.820 So that's why it makes sense.

00:21:43.320 It's because they're fabricating it because they need to, and you really saw it, as I said, when we did one of these sessions after last Friday, that when we had some of the senior officials from the committee council's office and the prime minister's office testify that they were testing.

00:22:02.880 They were testing out this new approach, which is, well, it might not have technically met the definition, but we all felt that it was the right thing to do.

00:22:13.820 Yeah.

00:22:14.740 You know, and we also saw some of the documents, and they sort of just breeze by, and a lot of times I'm reading the document, not what they want you to look at, but everything else is probably the stuff you should be looking at.

00:22:27.480 And one of them was that CSIS said that invocation of the act, specifically unnecessarily, would be a thing that would radicalize people to their IMVE status, because it would confirm all the things that people like you and me already think about the government, that it's crooked, it's tyrannical, that it's out to get you, and it's intolerant.

00:22:51.160 And they said, invoking the act is going to push people in that direction, so don't do it, if you're concerned about those things.

00:22:58.900 And the government ignored that recommendation, because it suited their political agenda.

00:23:04.180 Yeah.

00:23:04.420 To be clear, CSIS said two things.

00:23:07.020 CSIS, in the written documentation from the time, which is, in law, the most persuasive, not the stuff you make up after the fact when you get your hand in the cookie jar.

00:23:17.980 Right.

00:23:18.380 Right?

00:23:19.160 And it was, doesn't meet the test, no threat to national security, and, oh, by the way, this is probably a bad idea.

00:23:28.720 Right.

00:23:28.860 This could incline things.

00:23:30.040 That was CSIS's documented position while the protest in Ottawa was ongoing, and prior to the invocation.

00:23:38.400 This, oh, the head of CSIS testifying today that, yeah, no, none of the elements were met, the legal tests weren't met, we're clear about that.

00:23:48.480 But I told the prime minister it was a good idea anyway.

00:23:51.200 That's all been made up.

00:23:52.920 That's cover for the prime minister.

00:23:54.620 There, um, track this gentleman's career, and you will see, mark my words, he will be, probably within the next five to ten years, he will be the ambassador to Italy, or maybe the ambassador to Bahamas.

00:24:11.480 Right.

00:24:12.100 Or Grand Cayman, or, I don't know, maybe France or Germany, you know.

00:24:16.940 Right.

00:24:17.900 Maybe he'll replace Bill Blair.

00:24:20.080 Yeah.

00:24:20.580 No, I think.

00:24:21.200 That's a guy you should put out to faster.

00:24:22.020 I think something more cushy.

00:24:23.220 Oh.

00:24:24.620 Now, uh, before we let you go, um, we'll finish up with the CSIS, uh, clips.

00:24:31.880 Um, apparently, too much time at home, on the internet.

00:24:38.840 It's one of the crazier things.

00:24:40.240 I'm like, this is not political.

00:24:41.280 Yeah.

00:24:41.580 It's just insane.

00:24:42.520 I can't believe these are our security professionals.

00:24:44.880 Well, I looked over at you, and I was like, well, I wonder what happened in the last two years to cause people to be inside for such long durations of time.

00:24:51.000 Like, are you kidding?

00:24:51.600 Like, we've been really tracking the rise of IMVEs since 2020.

00:24:56.120 I'm like, what could have made the people so mad at the government in the last few years?

00:24:59.680 I have no idea.

00:25:00.600 Well, you know what?

00:25:01.060 Being radical, right?

00:25:02.300 Like, they accuse other people of being radical, but imposing all these lockdowns and restrictions that are unscientific, that's very radical.

00:25:08.440 So, all of these projections onto other people, calling them misogynist, racist, radicalists, you name it, they seem to house a lot of those, um, traits themselves, don't you think?

00:25:19.440 It's true.

00:25:20.060 Let's go to, it's clip four, Efron.

00:25:22.620 Thanks.

00:25:23.600 Do you have any sort of further comment on that threat environment from 2020 to today?

00:25:30.160 Has it changed in any way, or has it, uh, remained the same?

00:25:35.800 I would say it is increasing, and I'll pass to my colleague as well, but I would, from the CESIS perspective, part of the concern is you're seeing a lot of this type of discussion in more mainstream media.

00:25:46.900 And we know through some of the, uh, individuals that we would be concerned with, and as I mentioned a number of times today, they try to use that to recruit individuals towards a more extreme ideology.

00:25:59.380 So, because we see a lot more of this globally, frankly, uh, adherence to this type of a movement, it is of increasing concern in terms of the ability for people to access that type of violent propaganda.

00:26:11.420 I don't know if my colleague...

00:26:12.940 I completely agree.

00:26:14.100 I would also add that we have seen during the pandemic, uh, especially while people were staying home, uh, they spent a whole lot of time on social media, on the internet, and there's, uh, surveys that have been done that show a large increase in the number of research, uh, people researching internet sites that have IMV content.

00:26:34.920 So we have seen that trend.

00:26:36.300 We have seen also the number, as it's written in this, in this summary, the number of threats, uh, targeting public officials, politicians have been increasing.

00:26:44.100 Also...

00:26:45.100 Ben Bankist's joke.

00:26:49.120 That's literally a Ben Bankist joke.

00:26:50.920 You lock everybody up inside, you legalize weed, and then you wonder why they become conspiracy theorists?

00:26:57.720 Look, what's wrong with these people?

00:26:59.480 They seem puzzled why everybody's mad at the government the last two years.

00:27:02.860 You know, I was just waiting for them to, like, look over and be like, yeah, they probably listened to Rebel News too.

00:27:07.920 Yeah, I was just going to be like, that's right, 100%.

00:27:10.920 You're going to alternative news sites.

00:27:13.840 Yeah, it's really shocking, isn't it?

00:27:15.720 I mean, again, just, it's so common sense, and it's so blatant, and it's so obvious that what they're saying makes no sense.

00:27:21.880 Um, anyone would be able to discern the truth in that room, um, even if you were blind, deaf, and, um, dumb for, yeah, 100%.

00:27:28.600 They're so good, like, these security professionals are so good up until they have to be critical of the government, and then all of a sudden, they're completely politically compromised.

00:27:38.000 Yeah, because when they, when they do their job honestly, they do their job well.

00:27:40.620 Yeah, like, they, he accurately used the word violence properly.

00:27:45.400 Like, he, violence was actually physical instead of a feeling that Steve Bell had one day on the streets.

00:27:53.000 Um, and they seem really good up until they have to pin the blame on the government, and then they say, no, no, 100%.

00:28:00.560 Yeah, and we can't lose sight on the seriousness of all this, and I know you're alive to it, and it's that, um, um, this power has only been used when there's been a World War, World War I, World War II, FLQ crisis with bombings, kidnappings.

00:28:20.560 Not even for 9-11.

00:28:21.680 Not even for 9-11, not even for many other things, and the definition, I just looked at it again, right in the Act, a public order of urgency means an emergency that arises of threats to the security of Canada, and threats to the security of Canada has the meaning assigned by Section 2.

00:28:41.820 Yeah.

00:28:41.960 So, we've had evidence after evidence, even again, from CSIS again, that the definition wasn't met, but they come right out and say, it's still okay, because the Prime Minister and some of the people around him thought it was a good idea to strip Canadians of their rights, presumably because the Prime Minister was mad because he was being embarrassed.

00:29:04.280 If we have now transitioned into a country where a Prime Minister can freeze your bank account and strip you of your fundamental rights, override provincial jurisdiction because he's upset, we're in a very dangerous place in this country.

00:29:20.540 So, the inquiry's not over, there's still more to do, there's also judicial reviews going on, but Canadians need to take this very seriously.

00:29:31.900 I think more people are becoming engaged, I think.

00:29:34.900 I think so too.

00:29:35.600 I've seen online, and take that for what you will, but more people who are sort of like, I didn't like the convoy, but I also don't like what's happening here.

00:29:44.900 Yeah.

00:29:45.600 Yeah, the thing, even the government's own polling has shown that the largest grouping of people is people who are upset and fundamentally unnerved by the idea that the government can't at a whim freeze their bank account and seize their money.

00:30:03.680 And even those who were completely opposed to the convoy, fully supportive of mandates and vaccination requirements, fell into that category.

00:30:15.180 So, that's encouraging, but it remains to be seen as to whether there's going to be any political accountability here.

00:30:22.060 It's going to be a wild week as we have more politicians come forward, and I know you're going to now start talking about the political angle because we had our first Cabinet Minister today.

00:30:31.100 Yeah, yeah. We have Mendocino tomorrow, right?

00:30:34.440 Yes, right.

00:30:34.920 I'm looking forward to how wrong Brendan Miller gets his name.

00:30:39.720 And by the way, Brendan Miller should check his bank account. I bet it's frozen.

00:30:42.640 Yeah, probably it's frozen.

00:30:43.560 The terrorism he committed on Bill Blair today.

00:30:45.720 Oh, he got Millard hard. That was great to watch. Absolutely.

00:30:48.840 Oh, we will talk about that, but let's, Efron, if you're watching, and I'm sure you are because you're in the control room, hopefully,

00:30:54.280 can you run an ad so we can let Keith leave the set without tripping in a tangle of earphones? Thank you.

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00:33:00.020 K2 behind the camera will be there too.

00:33:02.220 Joining us now is our friend and colleague,

00:33:04.800 young William Diaz,

00:33:06.020 who's just been ripping it up

00:33:07.440 since the commission began,

00:33:09.760 but before then,

00:33:11.040 annoying politicians on the streets of Ottawa,

00:33:14.420 making it a very unsafe place for them to be,

00:33:16.880 emotionally speaking.

00:33:19.860 Yeah, no violence, right?

00:33:22.760 It's feelings and microaggressions.

00:33:23.820 Well, it depends on how you identify violence.

00:33:25.800 I hear it's hurt feelings these days.

00:33:27.360 It depends if you're talking to Paul champs.

00:33:27.520 Anything these days.

00:33:28.340 That's different.

00:33:28.860 It's hurt feelings these days.

00:33:31.460 William, if you had to tell me

00:33:35.140 what was the one shocking thing that you heard today

00:33:37.480 out of Bill Blair's testimony.

00:33:39.300 So Bill Blair, for those of you who don't know,

00:33:40.780 he's the Minister of Emergency Preparedness.

00:33:43.540 He is formerly the chief gun grabber in Canada,

00:33:47.280 and he was the top cop in Toronto

00:33:49.160 who oversaw the disaster of the G20.

00:33:52.040 It was the G20 riots, actually.

00:33:54.320 And I remember how ridiculous it was.

00:33:57.060 They set up a free speech zone.

00:33:59.080 If you need a zone for it, it's not free, by the way.

00:34:01.680 That's ridiculous.

00:34:02.880 And he kettled protesters.

00:34:05.060 He trapped innocent people and bystanders in the rain.

00:34:08.140 People were arbitrarily arrested.

00:34:10.240 Sounds familiar.

00:34:11.260 Anyway, he brought that same attitude

00:34:13.560 to his new position in Justin Trudeau's government

00:34:16.700 after he was elected in 2015.

00:34:18.380 And he's friends with Peter Slowly.

00:34:20.220 He's friends with Peter Slowly,

00:34:21.680 the former chief of the Ottawa police.

00:34:25.280 And Brenda Lucky, apparently. 1.00

00:34:26.520 He said exclusively that they were friends.

00:34:28.720 They were friends.

00:34:29.460 His friend, Brenda.

00:34:30.180 But Peter Slowly was his deputy.

00:34:32.940 And so he's very empathetic to the treatment

00:34:35.260 that Peter Slowly was receiving from his own deputies,

00:34:38.780 which I was empathetic of

00:34:40.460 until I had to listen to Peter Slowly.

00:34:43.080 And then I was like, no, I'm not so sure anymore.

00:34:46.380 But I'll shut up.

00:34:48.500 Tell me, what's the one big thing that you heard today

00:34:51.080 out of Bill Burr's testimony?

00:34:52.400 You know, I think it's hard to pinpoint one thing.

00:34:54.060 I think the contradictions overall.

00:34:55.840 So we've heard a lot of people

00:34:57.420 since the beginning of the inquiry

00:34:58.540 say that the Immersion Act was not talked about

00:35:00.540 until one day before it was invoked,

00:35:02.820 until the 13th of February, basically.

00:35:05.120 Then we heard some people say

00:35:06.780 that it wasn't talked about

00:35:07.580 until a week before it was invoked.

00:35:09.000 Some people, until three days it was invoked,

00:35:11.600 it would be an IRG meeting.

00:35:13.940 And now he said during an interview

00:35:15.520 that on the first day of the protest,

00:35:18.380 that was a possible thing

00:35:21.260 that could be used by the federal government.

00:35:23.760 He said in an interview

00:35:24.880 that it was thought about

00:35:26.320 on the first day of the protest.

00:35:28.140 And then we learned today,

00:35:28.980 I don't remember the exact date,

00:35:29.980 but I think it's February 9th.

00:35:31.320 February 4th.

00:35:32.660 On the 4th.

00:35:33.680 The 4th.

00:35:34.400 It was Bill Blair's strategy

00:35:36.840 or Bill Blair's strategy.

00:35:37.880 It was like on a readout

00:35:38.960 of a ministerial meeting.

00:35:40.700 And it was the 4th.

00:35:42.280 And it was Bill Blair's strategy,

00:35:44.000 I think it was.

00:35:44.660 And it was Emergency's Act.

00:35:45.800 But I would say,

00:35:46.700 so yeah, I would say overall

00:35:47.700 and general,

00:35:48.940 the contradictions

00:35:49.680 that we heard from that

00:35:50.640 incompetent man

00:35:52.180 who was a liberal minister.

00:35:54.200 But also...

00:35:55.080 He seemed bumbling.

00:35:56.700 Yeah, moving aside from the evidence,

00:35:58.860 his body language

00:35:59.940 and his attitude,

00:36:01.300 the man was extremely stressed

00:36:03.260 today during the inquiry.

00:36:05.580 You saw his face turn red,

00:36:07.160 especially when you're in person,

00:36:08.080 you see it even better.

00:36:09.120 His face was red.

00:36:10.440 He kept drinking water.

00:36:11.940 He would speak super fast.

00:36:14.520 He was extremely...

00:36:15.500 So you could see

00:36:16.020 that his facial muscles

00:36:17.360 were extremely tense on the stand.

00:36:19.500 So it was very interesting

00:36:20.300 to see him being that stressed

00:36:21.500 because he's not usually that stressed.

00:36:23.160 He's a longtime minister.

00:36:25.360 Well, he's a minister

00:36:26.080 and he was the chief of police.

00:36:27.560 Before I think,

00:36:28.580 he was the chief of police.

00:36:30.080 So he shouldn't be that stressed.

00:36:32.460 Yes, he was today.

00:36:33.680 And what it tells me

00:36:34.420 is that he probably

00:36:35.100 had something to hide.

00:36:36.440 When you're that stressed,

00:36:37.460 you probably have something to hide.

00:36:38.840 But he couldn't get his story straight

00:36:40.480 about when they were talking

00:36:42.240 about invoking the Emergencies Act.

00:36:43.980 He forgot

00:36:45.140 that he told Global News

00:36:47.660 in writing

00:36:48.900 that it was a consideration

00:36:51.340 from the very beginning.

00:36:52.480 Then there's a note

00:36:54.180 and I think it was

00:36:54.760 Justin Trudeau's chief of staff

00:36:56.220 who was the one taking the notes

00:36:57.560 where it was February 4th.

00:36:59.700 He wanted to drop the hammer then.

00:37:01.820 That's right.

00:37:02.220 Yeah.

00:37:03.020 The one thing that for me

00:37:05.560 as an Albertan

00:37:06.360 sort of piqued my interest

00:37:07.960 was particularly

00:37:09.640 because it's Bill Blair.

00:37:11.260 But he was in this prickly dispute.

00:37:15.440 We saw it in text messages

00:37:16.520 with our Minister of Municipal Affairs,

00:37:18.860 Rick McIver.

00:37:19.760 That's right.

00:37:20.100 Rick McIver did not want

00:37:22.540 the Emergencies Act.

00:37:23.800 He said,

00:37:24.320 we need some heavy equipment to come.

00:37:25.700 That's all we need.

00:37:26.660 We can deal with this.

00:37:27.740 We have existing laws.

00:37:28.640 We just can't get

00:37:29.520 tow trucks to come.

00:37:31.080 We can't get the energy companies

00:37:32.860 to come with the rig moving equipment.

00:37:34.740 They looked at Saskatchewan.

00:37:35.880 They looked in BC.

00:37:36.620 They looked in Montana.

00:37:37.500 They asked everybody.

00:37:38.240 Nobody was coming.

00:37:39.220 Well, it's because

00:37:39.780 they supported them.

00:37:41.800 So they said,

00:37:43.580 okay, great.

00:37:44.960 Let's ask the Canadian Armed Forces.

00:37:47.100 The base is just north of Edmonton.

00:37:49.040 We know they have

00:37:49.620 we know they have

00:37:50.880 heavy equipment there.

00:37:52.420 100%.

00:37:52.820 From what I understand,

00:37:53.880 somebody went there

00:37:54.420 and laid eyes upon it.

00:37:55.640 So they know it was there.

00:37:57.100 He requested

00:37:57.860 the heavy equipment

00:37:59.180 to have access to it

00:38:00.900 because if it's federally owned,

00:38:01.960 you just can't go commandeer it.

00:38:03.700 And said,

00:38:04.480 will you let us use it?

00:38:05.860 And he said,

00:38:06.440 oh, I got to check.

00:38:08.140 I got to go up the chain

00:38:09.320 and check. 0.55

00:38:10.760 He never got back

00:38:11.900 to Rick McIver.

00:38:13.900 So the province

00:38:15.000 by the 11th and 12th

00:38:16.360 started buying

00:38:17.060 their own stuff

00:38:17.980 and got some good deals

00:38:19.560 by the way.

00:38:20.100 They went on auto-trader.

00:38:21.020 They got a Kijiji. 1.00

00:38:22.140 The Comanche loader

00:38:23.240 they bought

00:38:23.600 was a hell of a deal

00:38:24.540 by the way.

00:38:26.280 And they got

00:38:27.040 $820,000

00:38:28.300 worth of this

00:38:29.040 heavy haul equipment.

00:38:30.360 As it turns out,

00:38:30.980 they only needed it

00:38:31.820 to move

00:38:32.560 three pieces of equipment

00:38:33.700 because before

00:38:34.940 the emergencies act

00:38:35.820 was invoked,

00:38:36.580 it had all dispersed.

00:38:37.820 They just decided.

00:38:39.000 Yeah, the cruise blockade

00:38:39.820 had taken themselves

00:38:41.460 gone.

00:38:41.720 And then we saw

00:38:43.060 Bill Blair

00:38:43.600 sending a message

00:38:44.400 to Rick McIver

00:38:45.600 after it's all

00:38:46.380 said and done

00:38:46.880 saying,

00:38:47.580 basically,

00:38:48.200 aren't you going

00:38:48.880 to pat me on the back

00:38:49.680 for invoking

00:38:50.200 the emergencies act?

00:38:51.500 Bill Blair

00:38:51.840 called him a liar.

00:38:54.660 Told him it would be

00:38:55.480 better to keep

00:38:57.420 your mouth shut 0.65

00:38:57.980 basically and say

00:38:59.100 nothing than to be

00:39:00.220 lying because you

00:39:01.280 did nothing.

00:39:02.200 I think that's

00:39:03.200 very interesting.

00:39:03.780 The fact that

00:39:04.120 Alberta was asking

00:39:05.240 for resources

00:39:06.600 and things

00:39:07.120 and Bill Blair

00:39:07.600 saying,

00:39:08.060 no, we don't

00:39:08.380 have enough.

00:39:08.880 You know,

00:39:09.360 you're asking

00:39:10.420 for too much.

00:39:11.120 I think that's

00:39:11.440 the second time

00:39:12.240 that we hear

00:39:15.060 a liberal MP

00:39:16.540 or even prime

00:39:17.340 minister say

00:39:18.240 that someone

00:39:19.260 like veterans

00:39:20.120 is asking

00:39:20.980 for too much.

00:39:21.780 Second time

00:39:22.060 we hear that

00:39:22.540 and that Alberta

00:39:23.400 was asking

00:39:23.840 for too much

00:39:24.260 and despite

00:39:24.820 asking for too

00:39:27.060 much and not

00:39:27.460 receiving what

00:39:28.000 they were asking

00:39:28.540 for,

00:39:29.120 they were still

00:39:29.680 able to handle

00:39:30.640 the coups

00:39:31.160 border blockade

00:39:31.920 before the A

00:39:32.800 was invoked.

00:39:33.260 That's the

00:39:33.680 important point

00:39:34.440 is Albertans

00:39:35.480 were problem

00:39:36.060 solvers.

00:39:36.980 We don't rely

00:39:37.460 on the feds

00:39:38.020 for much.

00:39:38.760 Shocker.

00:39:39.480 This is a lesson

00:39:40.280 learned

00:39:41.000 Jason Kenney's

00:39:41.960 previous government

00:39:42.800 but it should

00:39:43.320 be a lesson

00:39:43.760 for Daniel Smith

00:39:44.440 just don't ask

00:39:45.080 the feds

00:39:45.640 sort it out

00:39:46.160 yourself

00:39:46.520 because as

00:39:47.560 it turns out

00:39:48.260 the decision

00:39:50.060 to deny

00:39:50.580 help to Alberta

00:39:51.400 came from

00:39:52.140 the prime

00:39:52.500 minister's office.

00:39:54.120 We saw that

00:39:54.600 did the PMO

00:39:55.320 sign off on

00:39:56.060 this is what

00:39:56.940 the email

00:39:57.420 read.

00:39:58.440 None of the

00:39:59.320 approvals

00:39:59.760 should have

00:40:00.100 been going

00:40:00.540 through the

00:40:01.220 prime minister's

00:40:01.880 office if

00:40:02.380 we're asking

00:40:02.920 the minister

00:40:03.440 of emergency

00:40:04.040 preparedness

00:40:04.620 for it

00:40:05.260 but also

00:40:06.720 Bill Blair

00:40:08.000 was willing

00:40:08.520 to use it

00:40:09.120 against Alberta.

00:40:09.880 They said

00:40:10.420 should we

00:40:10.960 publish

00:40:11.600 Alberta's

00:40:12.560 ask

00:40:13.200 for help

00:40:14.480 should we

00:40:15.300 publish it

00:40:15.900 as a justification

00:40:16.980 to invoke

00:40:17.900 the emergencies

00:40:18.480 act

00:40:18.820 those greasy

00:40:19.700 snakes.

00:40:20.860 It was really

00:40:21.240 gross to watch

00:40:21.900 that and I

00:40:22.680 felt my heart

00:40:23.640 sink.

00:40:24.100 I was like

00:40:24.380 no you can't

00:40:25.120 do that.

00:40:25.600 Do not

00:40:25.980 need those

00:40:26.520 snakes.

00:40:27.040 It doesn't

00:40:28.600 mean she 0.99

00:40:29.700 need to invoke

00:40:30.180 it.

00:40:30.660 The reason

00:40:31.140 why you

00:40:31.460 were able

00:40:31.980 to handle

00:40:32.480 it is

00:40:32.800 because you

00:40:33.060 are the

00:40:33.280 great province

00:40:33.860 of Alberta.

00:40:34.420 I always

00:40:34.820 say Alberta

00:40:35.860 the great

00:40:36.300 province

00:40:36.660 of Alberta

00:40:36.940 that's why

00:40:37.300 you were

00:40:37.460 able to

00:40:37.800 handle

00:40:38.360 coups

00:40:39.160 unlike the

00:40:39.620 federal

00:40:39.800 government

00:40:40.240 who is

00:40:40.580 the disgusting

00:40:42.360 liberal government.

00:40:43.300 They had

00:40:44.340 really good

00:40:44.860 communication

00:40:45.760 and a

00:40:46.340 good standing

00:40:46.860 relationship

00:40:47.360 with the

00:40:47.680 RCMP

00:40:48.100 officers that

00:40:48.740 were willing

00:40:49.180 to work

00:40:49.680 with them

00:40:50.040 there and

00:40:50.500 they were.

00:40:50.900 we almost

00:40:51.720 had one

00:40:52.200 of the

00:40:52.660 Rajan

00:40:53.460 Soni the

00:40:54.040 previous

00:40:54.560 transport

00:40:54.980 minister I

00:40:55.480 believe

00:40:55.720 transport

00:40:56.100 minister

00:40:56.460 right?

00:40:57.020 Yeah.

00:40:57.260 She almost

00:40:58.280 went down

00:40:58.700 there to

00:40:59.140 go and

00:40:59.680 actually meet

00:41:00.320 that was I

00:41:01.120 think the

00:41:01.520 most if

00:41:02.500 there was a

00:41:02.880 potential for

00:41:03.640 anyone to

00:41:04.120 have a

00:41:04.380 meeting with

00:41:04.740 the protesters

00:41:05.320 it would

00:41:05.820 have been

00:41:06.020 the province

00:41:06.420 of Alberta

00:41:06.900 and it

00:41:07.500 would have

00:41:07.740 been that

00:41:07.980 minister.

00:41:08.680 Grant Hunter

00:41:10.760 we had

00:41:11.420 MLAs going

00:41:12.280 down there

00:41:12.800 to actually

00:41:13.920 engage with

00:41:14.880 the protesters

00:41:15.660 and look what

00:41:16.400 happened.

00:41:17.260 It resolved

00:41:17.880 peacefully.

00:41:18.840 Wow that's

00:41:19.300 incredible isn't

00:41:20.060 it?

00:41:20.340 Yeah.

00:41:20.480 The cops

00:41:21.040 were like

00:41:21.400 shaking hands

00:41:22.040 with the

00:41:22.300 protesters at

00:41:22.980 the end and

00:41:23.760 as always

00:41:24.580 the cops

00:41:25.820 everywhere these

00:41:26.800 protests were

00:41:27.380 happening

00:41:27.840 outnumbered

00:41:29.440 completely.

00:41:30.540 If the

00:41:31.160 truckers wanted

00:41:31.680 to take over

00:41:32.260 the whole city

00:41:32.800 of Ottawa

00:41:33.240 don't take

00:41:33.900 this the wrong

00:41:34.360 way that there

00:41:34.740 are a lot

00:41:35.180 of useless

00:41:35.680 people in

00:41:36.920 this town.

00:41:37.880 I don't

00:41:38.400 disagree with

00:41:39.120 you.

00:41:39.340 They could

00:41:39.600 have walked

00:41:39.980 right over

00:41:40.500 them.

00:41:40.940 They never

00:41:41.480 did not

00:41:41.940 even once.

00:41:42.820 No not

00:41:43.160 even the

00:41:45.040 people that

00:41:45.720 threw eggs

00:41:46.800 at them.

00:41:47.200 No they

00:41:47.600 didn't meet

00:41:48.020 violence with

00:41:48.580 violence not

00:41:49.080 even once.

00:41:49.640 Let's go

00:41:51.880 to Bill

00:41:53.180 Blair clip

00:41:54.660 six.

00:41:55.480 This is also

00:41:56.020 kind of a fun

00:41:56.780 thing I found

00:41:57.460 out today.

00:41:58.920 Bill Blair

00:41:59.480 scolded Justin

00:42:00.700 Trudeau sort

00:42:01.720 of it was kind

00:42:03.000 of a half-assed

00:42:03.660 scolding but he

00:42:04.980 did say and the

00:42:06.060 reason I know

00:42:06.720 that it was about

00:42:07.440 Justin Trudeau was

00:42:08.500 the dates.

00:42:09.100 so we saw in

00:42:11.240 this like I

00:42:11.920 think it's a

00:42:12.280 readout of

00:42:12.660 another phone

00:42:13.160 call with the

00:42:14.360 ministers and

00:42:15.440 one of the

00:42:15.820 things Bill

00:42:16.300 Blair advised

00:42:17.180 was to I

00:42:18.840 forget like

00:42:19.420 tone down the

00:42:20.380 language something

00:42:21.500 to that effect

00:42:22.160 like keep the

00:42:22.940 language like

00:42:24.580 not.

00:42:24.860 You mean that

00:42:25.100 question I

00:42:25.600 asked him

00:42:25.960 today?

00:42:26.560 No.

00:42:27.280 Yeah.

00:42:28.160 You asked a

00:42:29.040 question to that

00:42:29.700 effect but he

00:42:30.400 said basically

00:42:31.060 like tone down

00:42:31.920 the rhetoric

00:42:32.420 about the

00:42:32.880 convoy.

00:42:33.440 It's not

00:42:33.680 helpful.

00:42:34.660 Yeah.

00:42:34.740 He said avoid

00:42:36.600 using inflammatory

00:42:37.360 language and

00:42:38.860 that happened on

00:42:39.700 the 28th of

00:42:40.460 January.

00:42:42.000 That's very

00:42:42.840 funny.

00:42:43.540 You know what

00:42:43.780 happened on the

00:42:44.220 27th?

00:42:44.840 Justin Trudeau

00:42:45.520 called everybody

00:42:46.160 fringe radical.

00:42:47.880 Fringe yeah

00:42:48.400 radical.

00:42:49.120 They have

00:42:49.580 potential for

00:42:51.260 violence.

00:42:52.360 They're bad

00:42:53.140 people.

00:42:53.620 Yeah.

00:42:53.880 Fringe minority 0.97

00:42:54.480 with unacceptable

00:42:55.240 views is

00:42:56.020 happened on the

00:42:56.880 27th 28th

00:42:58.020 and Bill Blair

00:42:58.580 is like not

00:42:59.500 helpful.

00:43:01.540 What is going

00:43:01.960 on?

00:43:02.140 Why don't we

00:43:02.560 roll clip six?

00:43:04.740 We need to

00:43:10.860 keep the

00:43:11.340 language down

00:43:12.420 and probably

00:43:15.100 the people in

00:43:15.620 the room knew

00:43:16.820 what you were

00:43:17.140 talking about

00:43:17.720 and you probably

00:43:18.140 used more words

00:43:19.080 than just that

00:43:19.780 so if you could

00:43:20.460 flesh that out

00:43:21.280 for us what

00:43:22.040 what you were

00:43:22.780 what message

00:43:23.500 you were trying

00:43:24.020 to get across

00:43:25.120 during that

00:43:26.660 briefing when you

00:43:27.480 said we need

00:43:28.800 to keep the

00:43:29.320 language down.

00:43:30.820 I believe we

00:43:31.680 all have a

00:43:32.240 responsibility to

00:43:33.160 do what is

00:43:33.680 necessary to

00:43:34.320 keep the

00:43:34.620 peace and

00:43:36.020 and I was

00:43:36.760 concerned that

00:43:37.740 inflammatory

00:43:38.540 language could

00:43:40.020 incite a

00:43:41.400 more violent

00:43:43.420 response

00:43:43.980 potentially or

00:43:45.680 incite others

00:43:48.200 to continue to

00:43:49.000 come to the

00:43:49.620 protest and

00:43:50.840 and so I

00:43:52.280 think one

00:43:52.900 needs to

00:43:53.580 maintain and

00:43:54.960 I've had some

00:43:55.780 experience in

00:43:56.480 this in your

00:43:57.940 language around

00:43:58.780 an event to

00:43:59.960 to speak of

00:44:01.440 it in such a

00:44:02.020 way as to

00:44:02.620 not aggravate

00:44:03.960 I have three

00:44:05.900 points I have

00:44:06.840 three points

00:44:07.400 okay so

00:44:08.580 first of all

00:44:10.080 if they had

00:44:10.740 listened to

00:44:11.220 CSIS that's

00:44:11.840 what they said

00:44:12.320 the whole time

00:44:13.100 right they said

00:44:13.880 don't do those

00:44:14.540 things yes it

00:44:15.760 really I mean

00:44:16.500 it was also I'm

00:44:17.700 not sure if we

00:44:18.120 have that clip or

00:44:18.680 if we'll talk

00:44:19.140 about it but it

00:44:19.640 was also Rob

00:44:20.480 Stewart the

00:44:21.780 deputy minister

00:44:22.640 that actually

00:44:23.160 created that plan

00:44:24.280 to go and meet

00:44:25.060 with the protesters

00:44:25.680 in Ottawa

00:44:26.220 that is

00:44:27.120 table minister

00:44:27.960 there you go

00:44:28.420 that was

00:44:28.880 tabled and we

00:44:29.720 saw that in

00:44:30.240 emails today why

00:44:31.280 wasn't this

00:44:31.880 you know they

00:44:32.760 and how many

00:44:33.580 other testimonies

00:44:34.340 they considered

00:44:34.760 it either

00:44:36.420 incomplete or

00:44:37.660 they just

00:44:38.020 pretended like

00:44:38.560 they didn't

00:44:38.840 know about

00:44:39.300 it so that's

00:44:40.240 one aspect of

00:44:41.040 it and then

00:44:42.280 you have

00:44:42.560 somebody that

00:44:43.500 is constantly

00:44:44.140 going against

00:44:44.740 their own

00:44:45.220 narrative as

00:44:46.280 they're testifying

00:44:47.080 because it was

00:44:47.660 like yeah you

00:44:48.180 know this is we

00:44:49.340 shouldn't do

00:44:49.700 this we shouldn't

00:44:50.360 do that and

00:44:50.880 then it's like

00:44:51.280 well you know

00:44:52.080 as long as I

00:44:52.640 feel like it

00:44:53.160 was validated

00:44:53.760 then why not

00:44:54.800 he spent the

00:44:55.540 first hour of

00:44:56.580 his testimony

00:44:57.160 with the

00:44:57.720 commission lawyers

00:44:58.520 prattling on

00:44:59.440 about how

00:44:59.880 important it

00:45:00.380 is to engage

00:45:00.940 with protesters

00:45:01.620 he literally

00:45:02.860 did he said

00:45:03.460 in my time

00:45:04.660 with the

00:45:05.600 Toronto police

00:45:07.560 service I've

00:45:08.540 dealt with the

00:45:09.120 Tamils I've

00:45:10.040 dealt with the

00:45:10.740 G20 I don't

00:45:11.900 know why he

00:45:12.240 brought up the

00:45:12.680 G20 as a

00:45:13.360 success by the

00:45:14.020 way but he

00:45:14.380 kept doing

00:45:14.840 that I

00:45:15.560 dealt with all

00:45:16.520 kinds of

00:45:16.820 other protests

00:45:17.460 and he said

00:45:19.020 it's always

00:45:19.400 important to

00:45:20.000 engage with

00:45:20.560 the protesters

00:45:21.240 but then when

00:45:22.400 he was

00:45:23.060 presented with

00:45:23.940 the rules of

00:45:25.400 engagement with

00:45:26.200 the protesters

00:45:26.840 that were

00:45:28.620 drafted by

00:45:29.420 his own

00:45:30.020 ADM

00:45:30.740 he said he

00:45:31.480 didn't want

00:45:31.780 to see any

00:45:32.140 government

00:45:32.420 official speak

00:45:33.320 to them

00:45:33.660 yeah but we

00:45:35.480 also saw

00:45:36.200 again when

00:45:37.240 you're watching

00:45:37.940 these guys

00:45:38.780 testify don't

00:45:40.740 read the stuff

00:45:41.360 they want you

00:45:41.900 to see

00:45:42.220 read the other

00:45:43.060 stuff because

00:45:45.860 you could see

00:45:47.320 where it was

00:45:48.300 Justin Trudeau's

00:45:48.980 chief of staff

00:45:49.680 and she was

00:45:50.200 taking her notes

00:45:50.820 about people

00:45:51.280 they were going

00:45:51.680 to meet with

00:45:52.260 and the people

00:45:53.800 that they were

00:45:54.320 going to meet

00:45:54.700 with was the

00:45:56.160 vaxxed truckers

00:45:57.640 so they're

00:45:58.560 discriminating

00:45:59.100 against truckers

00:45:59.680 based on vaccine

00:46:00.300 status but that's

00:46:01.000 something new

00:46:01.500 and they were

00:46:02.180 going to meet

00:46:02.520 with the

00:46:03.220 shepherds of good

00:46:05.220 hope because

00:46:06.120 they were saying

00:46:07.000 oh you know

00:46:07.560 the convoyers

00:46:08.360 came and stole

00:46:08.920 our food

00:46:09.360 which is totally

00:46:09.900 good

00:46:10.040 oh but that's

00:46:10.440 that's a

00:46:10.760 different document

00:46:11.460 but even in

00:46:12.220 that document

00:46:12.760 and if it's

00:46:13.600 possible

00:46:14.040 if we can

00:46:14.940 just

00:46:15.120 it's on

00:46:15.400 my twitter

00:46:15.860 account

00:46:16.200 you can see

00:46:16.700 if we could

00:46:17.200 go back to

00:46:17.680 the same clip

00:46:18.320 that we just

00:46:18.820 were

00:46:19.180 and freeze

00:46:20.840 on the first

00:46:21.640 second of the

00:46:22.240 clip where we're

00:46:22.800 still able to

00:46:23.580 see the document

00:46:24.180 if that's

00:46:25.100 possible to do

00:46:25.860 that that would

00:46:26.160 be great

00:46:26.540 but if you

00:46:27.500 read a little

00:46:28.220 bit lower

00:46:28.780 on the exact

00:46:29.780 same document

00:46:30.640 it is written

00:46:31.860 that they are

00:46:32.720 concerned or

00:46:33.220 the liberal

00:46:33.480 party is concerned

00:46:34.300 about the

00:46:35.160 office of

00:46:36.020 the

00:46:36.280 you'll see

00:46:38.220 on that

00:46:38.740 very first

00:46:39.600 little part

00:46:40.040 of the clip

00:46:40.460 if you go

00:46:40.880 down it's

00:46:41.480 hard to

00:46:41.820 see

00:46:42.140 is

00:46:43.460 OLO

00:46:44.180 going to

00:46:45.200 meet with

00:46:45.640 the protesters

00:46:46.300 so they were

00:46:47.540 very concerned

00:46:48.680 that the

00:46:50.420 the OLO

00:46:51.520 so that's the

00:46:52.140 office of the

00:46:52.820 leader of the

00:46:53.240 opposition which

00:46:53.840 would have

00:46:54.040 been Candace

00:46:54.440 Bergen at the

00:46:54.920 time or maybe

00:46:55.800 this was early

00:46:56.700 enough that they

00:46:57.300 hadn't thrown

00:46:58.820 Aaron O'Toole to

00:46:59.640 the curb but it

00:47:00.500 doesn't matter

00:47:00.880 because they were

00:47:01.420 very concerned

00:47:02.200 that the

00:47:02.560 conservatives were

00:47:03.420 doing the

00:47:04.240 reasonable thing

00:47:05.580 and talking to

00:47:07.160 their constituents

00:47:07.820 yeah and uh

00:47:09.240 you know speaking

00:47:09.740 of micro

00:47:10.220 expressions and

00:47:10.900 breaking down

00:47:11.400 his body

00:47:11.900 language you

00:47:12.660 can also

00:47:13.160 catch uh

00:47:14.280 you know like

00:47:14.760 the scratching

00:47:15.320 of the neck

00:47:15.960 you know that

00:47:16.340 nervousness

00:47:17.040 oh yeah

00:47:18.180 skin left on

00:47:19.620 his thumbs

00:47:20.020 yeah every

00:47:20.520 time he got a

00:47:20.940 tough question

00:47:21.440 that was just

00:47:22.080 like it was

00:47:22.740 like that

00:47:24.380 from Bill

00:47:25.240 Blair

00:47:25.480 excessive

00:47:26.080 water

00:47:26.460 drinking

00:47:26.860 oh yeah

00:47:27.620 shame

00:47:28.420 guilt

00:47:29.140 very shy

00:47:30.180 that was

00:47:31.560 interesting to

00:47:32.160 see that the

00:47:32.760 liberal party

00:47:33.460 was scared

00:47:34.680 or concerned

00:47:35.340 about having

00:47:36.760 the opposition

00:47:37.440 leader the

00:47:38.180 office of the

00:47:38.700 opposition leader

00:47:39.480 meet with the

00:47:40.760 protesters why if

00:47:41.820 you're doing

00:47:42.260 everything honestly

00:47:43.040 why would you be

00:47:44.260 scared because

00:47:44.860 it's for optics

00:47:45.600 meaning with

00:47:46.380 it's optics

00:47:47.540 why would you be

00:47:48.700 concerned about

00:47:49.400 them meeting with

00:47:50.280 sexist racist

00:47:51.100 homophobic

00:47:51.920 fringe radicals

00:47:53.060 if you actually

00:47:54.640 don't think there

00:47:55.180 are those things

00:47:55.960 that's another way

00:47:56.440 to look at it as

00:47:57.100 well for sure

00:47:58.100 yeah definitely

00:47:58.820 some interesting

00:47:59.340 they're scared

00:47:59.780 that they would

00:48:00.140 do the right

00:48:00.520 thing right

00:48:01.300 imagine what

00:48:02.100 would happen

00:48:02.540 if we had

00:48:03.060 somebody from

00:48:03.760 the opposition

00:48:04.280 party actually

00:48:04.920 come and meet

00:48:05.360 with protesters

00:48:05.980 it's so funny

00:48:07.260 to imagine all

00:48:07.960 the hypotheticals

00:48:08.840 really but this

00:48:09.500 is where we're

00:48:09.980 at and it's

00:48:10.960 absolutely such

00:48:12.200 a circus

00:48:12.580 every single

00:48:13.380 day because

00:48:13.960 it would have

00:48:14.300 shown that the

00:48:14.820 opposition is

00:48:15.380 actually willing

00:48:15.980 to engage with

00:48:16.640 the other side

00:48:17.180 which we know

00:48:17.920 the liberals

00:48:18.380 aren't able

00:48:19.360 to do

00:48:19.900 they refuse

00:48:20.540 to engage

00:48:21.100 with the other

00:48:21.440 side

00:48:21.620 that's a

00:48:21.940 new liberal

00:48:22.300 way of thinking

00:48:22.900 well they won't

00:48:23.800 talk to us

00:48:24.400 I think that

00:48:25.900 you know they

00:48:27.860 were they were

00:48:28.300 concerned about

00:48:28.860 the OLO

00:48:29.380 meeting with

00:48:30.980 them because

00:48:32.200 they knew

00:48:33.840 that it would

00:48:34.800 completely upstage

00:48:36.360 them and I

00:48:37.200 think that's

00:48:37.840 when they really

00:48:38.500 ramped up the

00:48:39.320 rhetoric is when

00:48:40.100 the conservatives

00:48:40.640 started meeting

00:48:41.600 with them and

00:48:42.120 they said

00:48:42.440 they only have

00:48:44.260 one thing left

00:48:44.780 to do and

00:48:45.260 it's to say

00:48:45.920 oh my god can

00:48:46.900 you believe

00:48:47.260 they're meeting

00:48:47.680 with those

00:48:48.000 Nazis

00:48:48.200 yeah can

00:48:48.480 you believe

00:48:48.780 that they're

00:48:49.040 actually meeting

00:48:49.740 with terrorists

00:48:50.980 that they're

00:48:51.300 actually meeting

00:48:51.880 with bad people

00:48:52.900 yeah can you

00:48:53.600 believe can you

00:48:54.340 believe Candace

00:48:54.820 Bergen met

00:48:55.180 with those

00:48:55.500 Nazis

00:48:55.820 unbelievable

00:48:57.060 unbelievable

00:48:57.800 you know what

00:48:59.900 maybe Efron let's

00:49:01.060 shuffle out

00:49:02.360 will let him

00:49:04.040 put in his

00:49:04.940 Uber Eats

00:49:05.480 order because

00:49:06.120 he's had a

00:49:06.460 very long day

00:49:07.080 and it's

00:49:07.520 930 here

00:49:09.300 and still not

00:49:10.760 eating

00:49:11.020 I'll leave

00:49:12.200 you guys

00:49:12.500 with the

00:49:12.760 ladies 0.99

00:49:13.080 today's

00:49:13.720 the ladies 0.85

00:49:14.080 show

00:49:14.340 it's

00:49:14.520 Celine and

00:49:15.040 Sheila

00:49:15.340 you're here

00:49:16.300 in Ottawa

00:49:16.600 for two

00:49:17.040 days right

00:49:17.440 right

00:49:17.700 but I won't

00:49:18.180 be on the

00:49:18.540 stream tomorrow

00:49:19.080 because I have

00:49:19.680 to catch

00:49:19.920 but according

00:49:20.460 to Annalisa

00:49:21.140 though according

00:49:21.920 to one of her

00:49:22.400 paid comments

00:49:23.040 I am a lady

00:49:24.000 too because she

00:49:24.680 said that the

00:49:25.160 ladies are doing 1.00

00:49:26.100 a good job

00:49:26.600 last time

00:49:27.020 this is the

00:49:27.340 SS show

00:49:28.020 I guess it's

00:49:28.540 always I'm

00:49:30.120 joking

00:49:30.380 I don't make

00:49:30.820 the rules

00:49:31.120 you can be

00:49:31.500 whatever you

00:49:31.960 want

00:49:32.340 nowadays

00:49:33.440 you literally

00:49:34.860 can't be

00:49:35.320 don't even

00:49:35.960 question my

00:49:36.720 identity

00:49:37.100 Sheila

00:49:37.520 I know

00:49:37.860 okay let's

00:49:41.360 run an ad

00:49:41.960 so we can

00:49:42.520 let William

00:49:43.000 leave and 0.98

00:49:43.420 then we'll

00:49:43.620 bring on

00:49:43.920 our friend

00:49:44.240 Tom Razza

00:49:44.820 freedom in

00:49:48.920 2022 is

00:49:50.180 certainly about

00:49:51.060 being able

00:49:51.760 to make

00:49:52.200 free choices

00:49:53.020 for ourselves

00:49:54.160 and for our

00:49:55.100 family who

00:49:55.940 we believe

00:49:56.600 are the best

00:49:57.440 we have seen

00:49:58.580 so much

00:49:59.140 suffering over

00:50:00.060 the last two

00:50:00.880 years people

00:50:01.880 who die

00:50:02.520 alone in

00:50:03.180 terrible

00:50:03.540 condition

00:50:04.180 people losing

00:50:05.320 dream jobs

00:50:06.220 polarized

00:50:07.200 families

00:50:08.060 and a

00:50:09.000 society

00:50:09.640 that insult

00:50:10.460 and yell 0.86

00:50:11.020 at each

00:50:11.620 other

00:50:11.880 for making

00:50:12.760 a different

00:50:13.580 medical choice

00:50:14.580 but people

00:50:15.660 have risen

00:50:16.380 and it

00:50:17.260 will be

00:50:17.680 true

00:50:18.040 them

00:50:18.320 that the

00:50:19.080 future

00:50:19.480 will have

00:50:20.160 an important

00:50:20.760 meaning

00:50:21.240 for all

00:50:21.960 of you

00:50:22.560 but especially

00:50:23.360 for the

00:50:24.100 next

00:50:24.360 generation

00:50:25.160 Rebenews 0.99

00:50:26.480 has been

00:50:27.220 present

00:50:27.760 at every

00:50:28.760 step

00:50:29.160 of this

00:50:29.700 great

00:50:30.140 challenge

00:50:30.840 but so

00:50:32.140 many other

00:50:32.700 pioneers

00:50:33.300 whom

00:50:33.900 you could

00:50:34.580 meet

00:50:34.960 and hear

00:50:35.660 at our

00:50:36.460 great

00:50:36.940 conference

00:50:37.480 about

00:50:37.860 freedom

00:50:38.320 for our

00:50:39.220 beautiful

00:50:39.920 country

00:50:40.520 which is

00:50:41.340 Canada

00:50:41.920 this

00:50:43.040 conference

00:50:43.520 which will

00:50:44.800 be held

00:50:45.320 in Calgary

00:50:46.140 and Toronto

00:50:47.000 will show you

00:50:48.260 the faces

00:50:48.940 of the

00:50:49.920 influence

00:50:50.520 of freedom

00:50:51.120 that you

00:50:51.740 have seen

00:50:52.340 over the

00:50:53.320 past two

00:50:53.940 years

00:50:54.300 you don't

00:50:55.480 want to

00:50:55.900 miss this

00:50:56.440 so get

00:50:57.160 your ticket

00:50:57.640 now

00:50:58.720 at

00:50:59.320 ribbonnewslive.com

00:51:00.720 and it

00:51:02.160 would be

00:51:02.560 a pleasure

00:51:03.080 to see

00:51:04.180 you there

00:51:04.900 and meet

00:51:05.860 you in

00:51:06.500 large numbers

00:51:07.700 it's time

00:51:09.080 to drop

00:51:09.620 these masks

00:51:10.660 and let

00:51:11.460 the truth

00:51:12.200 shine

00:51:29.320 oh hey

00:51:30.380 welcome back

00:51:30.960 everybody

00:51:31.320 joining us

00:51:31.800 now is

00:51:32.220 Tom

00:51:32.540 Marazzo

00:51:33.280 he was

00:51:34.440 a convoy

00:51:34.860 participant

00:51:35.580 I'll let

00:51:36.720 Tom actually

00:51:37.440 describe himself

00:51:38.480 because I

00:51:39.040 I'll get it

00:51:39.760 wrong

00:51:40.020 so go ahead

00:51:40.480 I'm a co-host

00:51:42.520 on rebel

00:51:43.040 news

00:51:43.340 you are

00:51:43.740 now

00:51:44.020 this is

00:51:45.420 what

00:51:45.580 like

00:51:45.800 it'll be

00:51:46.120 the 20th

00:51:46.820 time

00:51:47.080 in a row

00:51:47.360 not quite

00:51:48.180 in a row

00:51:48.520 now I

00:51:48.980 I

00:51:49.600 yeah I

00:51:50.580 played a

00:51:51.200 small part

00:51:52.020 in the

00:51:52.280 convoy

00:51:52.720 last

00:51:53.240 January

00:51:53.800 February

00:51:54.260 and right

00:51:55.760 now I'm

00:51:56.120 just like

00:51:56.680 everybody else

00:51:57.340 watching the

00:51:58.460 the commission

00:51:59.680 and it's

00:52:01.880 really

00:52:02.340 it's been

00:52:03.400 quite an

00:52:03.780 experience

00:52:04.240 to sit

00:52:04.720 there every

00:52:05.120 day and

00:52:05.440 listen to

00:52:05.760 this testimony

00:52:06.380 to see

00:52:07.120 what the

00:52:08.540 government

00:52:09.060 was thinking

00:52:10.380 and doing

00:52:11.040 at all

00:52:11.680 various levels

00:52:12.560 it's

00:52:14.180 it's quite

00:52:14.580 shocking

00:52:15.040 yeah there's

00:52:15.860 a lot of

00:52:16.160 gaslighting

00:52:16.960 like do

00:52:17.280 they realize

00:52:18.300 thousands of

00:52:18.920 people were

00:52:19.340 also there

00:52:19.800 too

00:52:20.040 and this

00:52:21.580 is this

00:52:22.080 is one

00:52:22.460 thing I

00:52:22.920 was thinking

00:52:24.100 I think

00:52:24.560 about this

00:52:24.940 every day

00:52:25.380 every time

00:52:26.080 the new

00:52:26.740 the higher

00:52:27.940 we go up

00:52:28.460 the chain

00:52:28.780 of command

00:52:29.220 within the

00:52:29.900 the liberal

00:52:30.360 government

00:52:31.080 it's the

00:52:32.600 one thing

00:52:32.940 that really

00:52:33.460 strikes me

00:52:34.300 with every

00:52:34.900 new witness

00:52:36.740 is and I'm

00:52:38.700 going to call

00:52:39.000 it the elephant

00:52:39.440 in the room

00:52:39.920 the people

00:52:42.300 that these

00:52:42.980 witnesses are

00:52:44.480 talking about

00:52:45.320 are Canadians

00:52:46.720 yeah

00:52:47.220 they're not

00:52:47.960 talking about

00:52:48.580 Al Qaeda 0.89

00:52:48.980 they're not

00:52:49.420 talking about

00:52:50.140 some some

00:52:51.440 actual foreign

00:52:52.640 entity

00:52:53.120 this is Canadians

00:52:54.620 that they're

00:52:55.060 talking about

00:52:55.840 people that

00:52:56.400 elected them

00:52:57.300 to occupy

00:52:58.700 those positions

00:52:59.480 of power

00:52:59.940 that they

00:53:00.320 have

00:53:00.720 now here's

00:53:01.620 the thing

00:53:01.900 if you look

00:53:02.360 at just

00:53:02.680 the simple

00:53:03.140 math

00:53:03.460 like so

00:53:03.900 twice

00:53:04.380 twice Canadians

00:53:05.680 raised

00:53:06.600 10 million

00:53:07.320 dollars on

00:53:07.860 two different

00:53:08.460 crowdfunding

00:53:09.040 platforms

00:53:09.620 if you just

00:53:10.820 said like

00:53:11.460 on average

00:53:12.340 that um

00:53:13.140 you know

00:53:13.720 everybody who

00:53:14.340 donated donated

00:53:15.100 a hundred

00:53:15.480 dollars

00:53:15.880 that's a

00:53:16.780 hundred

00:53:17.180 thousand

00:53:17.880 Canadians

00:53:18.480 each time

00:53:19.740 that donated

00:53:20.400 financially

00:53:20.940 to the

00:53:21.360 convoy

00:53:21.700 but what we

00:53:22.440 do know

00:53:22.780 is that

00:53:23.100 there was

00:53:23.340 a hundred

00:53:23.680 over

00:53:24.060 175

00:53:27.300 and the

00:53:28.760 ones that

00:53:29.140 were out

00:53:29.680 of country

00:53:30.120 their IP

00:53:30.660 addresses

00:53:31.060 they were

00:53:31.340 Canadian

00:53:31.720 but their IP

00:53:32.280 addresses were

00:53:32.900 outside of the

00:53:33.580 country at the

00:53:34.160 time but they

00:53:34.660 had ties to

00:53:35.160 Canada

00:53:35.460 so when you

00:53:36.820 think about

00:53:37.420 the fact that

00:53:38.760 these these

00:53:39.640 witnesses get

00:53:40.420 up there and

00:53:40.980 they talk about

00:53:42.040 the people that

00:53:42.800 they loathe

00:53:43.640 and day after

00:53:45.600 day after day

00:53:46.340 and I think if

00:53:46.940 you go back to

00:53:47.480 the very first

00:53:48.040 time I was on

00:53:49.180 the show

00:53:49.540 I talked about

00:53:51.360 the idea that

00:53:52.060 there was no

00:53:52.900 no will on

00:53:55.860 any part of

00:53:56.380 the government

00:53:56.720 even on the

00:53:57.240 first day to

00:53:57.780 come and talk

00:53:58.420 to protesters

00:53:59.120 this is a

00:54:00.340 protest we

00:54:01.040 had a legal

00:54:01.940 under section

00:54:02.960 to the

00:54:03.380 charter we

00:54:04.260 have a legal

00:54:04.720 right to do

00:54:05.300 it we did

00:54:06.080 and yet

00:54:07.040 again you've

00:54:08.920 got Bill

00:54:09.720 Blair Bill

00:54:11.280 Blair of all

00:54:11.900 people from

00:54:12.480 the GAG

00:54:13.040 20 summit

00:54:13.620 in 2010

00:54:14.320 he's getting

00:54:16.080 in there and

00:54:16.500 he's talking

00:54:16.980 about people

00:54:17.640 that he

00:54:18.340 loathes

00:54:19.200 because they

00:54:20.860 dared they

00:54:22.000 dared to

00:54:22.540 exercise their

00:54:23.360 charter to

00:54:23.980 right to

00:54:24.600 come to

00:54:24.940 this city

00:54:25.380 and here's

00:54:26.260 the question

00:54:26.820 this is the

00:54:27.520 big question

00:54:28.040 why we

00:54:30.460 haven't talked

00:54:31.020 about that

00:54:31.500 in the in

00:54:32.120 the the

00:54:33.320 commission

00:54:33.620 why did

00:54:35.000 all these

00:54:35.440 Canadians

00:54:36.100 suddenly spring

00:54:37.260 up across

00:54:37.740 the country

00:54:38.240 and protest

00:54:38.940 everywhere

00:54:39.540 why was the

00:54:40.900 big concentration

00:54:41.620 in the nation's

00:54:42.720 capital

00:54:43.100 why was there

00:54:44.980 27 other

00:54:46.140 convoys around

00:54:47.160 the planet

00:54:47.780 yeah that

00:54:48.700 were inspired

00:54:49.220 by what

00:54:49.600 happened in

00:54:50.040 Ottawa

00:54:50.260 why do

00:54:51.900 these people

00:54:52.420 not acknowledge

00:54:53.180 the fact that

00:54:53.900 Canadians had a

00:54:54.760 legitimate

00:54:55.160 grievance and

00:54:56.140 they were being

00:54:57.000 ignored for

00:54:57.660 two years

00:54:58.180 came to

00:54:58.900 Ottawa to

00:54:59.400 finally be

00:55:00.200 heard

00:55:00.520 sorry Tom

00:55:01.620 can you just

00:55:02.040 give me a

00:55:02.480 quick recap

00:55:03.880 because I was

00:55:04.480 in the middle

00:55:04.840 of googling

00:55:05.360 something because

00:55:05.880 I thought you

00:55:06.280 know what I

00:55:06.580 can put that

00:55:07.000 into context

00:55:07.680 for people

00:55:08.160 how many

00:55:08.560 people donated

00:55:09.200 to the

00:55:09.520 convoy

00:55:09.840 we know

00:55:10.700 that there

00:55:10.980 was over

00:55:11.360 175,000

00:55:13.040 that donated

00:55:13.940 to the

00:55:14.360 convoy

00:55:14.960 through the

00:55:16.180 official

00:55:16.580 funding

00:55:17.140 yeah

00:55:17.700 but on

00:55:18.640 two occasions

00:55:19.260 it was over

00:55:19.780 10 million

00:55:20.300 dollars

00:55:20.780 right so

00:55:21.380 total of

00:55:21.940 20 million

00:55:22.500 dollars in

00:55:23.040 two weeks

00:55:23.520 that's just

00:55:24.480 through crowd

00:55:25.040 funding

00:55:25.380 it's incredible

00:55:25.960 and you know

00:55:26.780 I've seen

00:55:28.080 Tamara talk 0.96

00:55:28.780 about this

00:55:29.300 in the

00:55:29.700 presence of

00:55:30.220 lawyers

00:55:30.580 that the

00:55:31.640 money that

00:55:32.380 was raised

00:55:32.980 on the

00:55:34.500 crowdfunding

00:55:35.100 platforms

00:55:35.740 was a

00:55:36.720 symbol

00:55:37.240 yes

00:55:37.860 it's a

00:55:38.760 symbol of

00:55:39.320 the desperation

00:55:40.040 that Canadians

00:55:40.720 felt and they

00:55:41.400 wanted to be

00:55:42.080 heard

00:55:42.400 they felt

00:55:43.200 isolated

00:55:43.800 and they

00:55:44.680 want that

00:55:45.160 money represents

00:55:46.000 their opportunity

00:55:46.920 to be a

00:55:47.700 voice

00:55:48.040 yeah

00:55:48.560 and they

00:55:49.020 sent Canadians

00:55:49.640 to Ottawa

00:55:50.400 to deliver

00:55:51.580 a message

00:55:52.180 and nobody

00:55:53.860 in Ottawa

00:55:54.840 wanted to hear

00:55:55.700 that message

00:55:56.300 nobody

00:55:57.080 I'll put this

00:55:58.260 into context

00:55:58.860 for you

00:55:59.280 you guys

00:56:00.760 out-fundraised

00:56:01.760 every

00:56:03.480 party

00:56:05.420 in this

00:56:06.340 country

00:56:06.780 over twice

00:56:08.060 in the first

00:56:09.860 two quarters

00:56:10.660 so we'd have

00:56:11.220 to double

00:56:11.580 this right

00:56:12.180 the Conservatives

00:56:13.940 raised

00:56:14.440 4.4

00:56:16.060 million

00:56:16.380 from

00:56:17.220 36,000

00:56:18.380 donors

00:56:18.860 the Liberals

00:56:20.740 raised

00:56:21.140 2.8

00:56:21.860 million

00:56:22.160 from

00:56:22.400 28,000

00:56:23.240 donors

00:56:23.620 Democrats

00:56:24.240 1.2

00:56:24.860 million

00:56:25.200 from

00:56:25.980 nearly

00:56:26.220 16,000

00:56:27.000 people

00:56:27.460 so

00:56:28.620 just for

00:56:31.520 context

00:56:31.880 to the

00:56:32.160 year

00:56:32.300 prior

00:56:32.740 26.4

00:56:34.980 million

00:56:35.340 to the

00:56:35.680 Conservatives

00:56:36.240 in 2021

00:56:36.960 18.1

00:56:37.980 million

00:56:38.200 to the

00:56:38.520 Liberals

00:56:38.820 in 2021

00:56:39.580 you guys

00:56:40.420 out-fundraised

00:56:41.220 the Liberals

00:56:42.060 in the course

00:56:43.120 of a month

00:56:43.740 that is

00:56:44.920 one of

00:56:45.180 the reasons

00:56:45.580 why they

00:56:46.000 knew they

00:56:46.280 had to

00:56:46.600 stop this

00:56:47.100 because you

00:56:47.560 guys were

00:56:47.860 the single

00:56:48.240 largest

00:56:48.600 political

00:56:49.140 and human

00:56:49.560 rights

00:56:49.960 movement

00:56:50.300 in this

00:56:50.900 country

00:56:51.360 ever

00:56:52.220 yes

00:56:52.820 and in

00:56:53.760 fact

00:56:54.040 you know

00:56:54.580 I believe

00:56:55.460 it was

00:56:55.700 Brendan

00:56:55.980 in his

00:56:56.560 cross

00:56:56.940 on Friday

00:56:57.880 was making

00:56:58.940 the comparison

00:56:59.640 to say

00:57:00.180 that it was

00:57:01.020 either Brendan

00:57:01.480 or one of

00:57:01.900 the JCCF

00:57:02.760 lawyers

00:57:03.120 saying that

00:57:04.020 isn't this

00:57:05.120 a political

00:57:05.840 cause

00:57:06.340 you know

00:57:07.380 purely a

00:57:08.480 political

00:57:08.840 cause

00:57:09.420 meeting

00:57:10.680 wanting to

00:57:11.520 meet with

00:57:12.060 the political

00:57:12.560 class in this

00:57:13.280 country

00:57:13.580 not to

00:57:14.400 overthrow

00:57:15.020 it

00:57:15.240 let's be

00:57:15.600 clear about

00:57:16.100 that

00:57:16.300 right now

00:57:16.660 you know

00:57:17.240 what

00:57:17.420 CSIS said

00:57:17.960 that today

00:57:18.420 they said

00:57:18.980 we didn't

00:57:19.380 even bother

00:57:20.260 to look

00:57:20.760 at the

00:57:21.720 fourth part

00:57:22.660 of the

00:57:23.540 CSIS Act

00:57:24.220 section 2

00:57:24.920 that's right

00:57:25.480 they said

00:57:25.960 we didn't

00:57:26.220 even bother

00:57:26.680 to go there

00:57:27.240 because it

00:57:27.680 was so

00:57:27.960 ridiculous

00:57:28.380 why

00:57:28.800 and you

00:57:30.220 just reminded

00:57:30.800 me of

00:57:31.100 something

00:57:31.380 that was

00:57:32.020 in my

00:57:32.800 mind

00:57:32.980 like when

00:57:33.300 I heard

00:57:33.640 it

00:57:33.760 I looked

00:57:34.520 up

00:57:34.720 I'm like

00:57:35.000 did I

00:57:35.220 just hear

00:57:35.600 that

00:57:35.920 did I

00:57:36.320 can

00:57:36.520 somebody

00:57:37.200 confirm

00:57:37.620 that I

00:57:37.920 just

00:57:38.120 heard

00:57:38.440 Justice

00:57:39.460 Rouleau

00:57:39.820 himself

00:57:40.600 confirmed

00:57:42.460 when

00:57:43.500 Hatem

00:57:44.560 was doing

00:57:45.080 his

00:57:45.360 cross

00:57:45.660 examination

00:57:46.240 he's like

00:57:46.720 you didn't

00:57:47.400 have to

00:57:47.800 ask about

00:57:48.360 the four

00:57:48.740 parts of

00:57:49.200 section 2

00:57:49.660 of the

00:57:49.880 CSIS Act

00:57:50.360 I think

00:57:50.680 that's been

00:57:51.060 well established

00:57:51.780 that they

00:57:52.660 didn't meet

00:57:53.540 that standard

00:57:54.620 Rouleau

00:57:56.320 himself

00:57:56.820 I've got

00:57:58.220 a little

00:57:58.480 bit of

00:57:58.740 a chest

00:57:59.240 thing

00:57:59.400 going

00:57:59.560 but

00:57:59.780 Rouleau

00:58:00.360 himself

00:58:00.760 confirmed

00:58:01.200 it

00:58:01.380 that they

00:58:02.340 didn't

00:58:02.620 have it

00:58:03.040 they didn't

00:58:03.740 have that

00:58:04.220 standard

00:58:04.640 but you

00:58:05.340 know what

00:58:05.540 they did

00:58:05.880 have

00:58:06.200 is

00:58:08.500 hypothetical

00:58:09.440 reasons

00:58:10.540 and if

00:58:12.440 you look

00:58:12.960 at the

00:58:13.620 nouns

00:58:14.220 and the

00:58:14.520 verbs

00:58:14.760 that are

00:58:15.200 being floated

00:58:15.800 around

00:58:16.080 this

00:58:16.400 inquiry

00:58:18.520 things like

00:58:19.860 this can

00:58:21.020 happen

00:58:21.380 or this

00:58:21.800 could

00:58:22.180 happen

00:58:22.420 this

00:58:23.120 might

00:58:23.640 happen

00:58:23.960 this

00:58:24.220 may

00:58:24.660 happen

00:58:25.100 this

00:58:26.140 goes

00:58:26.380 in line

00:58:26.760 with

00:58:27.020 microaggressions

00:58:28.460 in the

00:58:29.080 perception

00:58:29.620 of violence

00:58:30.460 the threat

00:58:31.220 of a threat

00:58:31.840 phantom honking

00:58:32.260 this is

00:58:36.560 where we

00:58:38.280 are

00:58:38.600 people that

00:58:40.800 didn't want

00:58:41.740 to acknowledge

00:58:42.360 Canadians

00:58:44.040 and we've

00:58:45.240 talked about

00:58:45.680 this before

00:58:46.160 what is the

00:58:46.780 sample of

00:58:47.700 Canadians

00:58:48.060 that arrived

00:58:48.640 in Ottawa

00:58:49.120 it wasn't

00:58:50.580 truckers

00:58:51.320 it was

00:58:52.120 Canadians

00:58:52.660 first

00:58:53.100 and it

00:58:53.800 was white

00:58:54.320 collar

00:58:54.700 blue

00:58:55.060 collar

00:58:55.400 and everything

00:58:56.180 in between

00:58:56.740 arrived

00:58:57.220 in Ottawa

00:58:57.740 and went

00:58:58.280 to the

00:58:58.580 other

00:58:58.940 protests

00:59:00.960 a friend

00:59:01.980 of mine

00:59:02.300 who was

00:59:02.620 a retired

00:59:03.060 military

00:59:03.540 officer

00:59:03.900 as well

00:59:04.340 was in

00:59:05.400 Windsor

00:59:05.740 on the

00:59:06.360 bridge

00:59:06.600 and was

00:59:07.040 arrested

00:59:07.480 right

00:59:08.500 there's

00:59:09.500 all walks

00:59:10.020 of life

00:59:10.420 all samples

00:59:11.160 of society

00:59:11.740 that came

00:59:12.240 to Ottawa

00:59:12.940 and on

00:59:13.680 weekends

00:59:14.180 this city

00:59:15.180 swelled

00:59:15.780 multiple

00:59:17.100 thousand times

00:59:17.920 over

00:59:18.300 on the

00:59:19.260 weekends

00:59:19.580 because

00:59:20.040 everybody

00:59:20.680 was

00:59:20.960 participating

00:59:21.620 yeah

00:59:21.940 well

00:59:22.540 that's

00:59:23.140 the same

00:59:23.560 way

00:59:23.760 anti-mandate

00:59:24.560 protests

00:59:25.000 have been

00:59:25.360 for the

00:59:25.700 last two

00:59:26.140 and a half

00:59:26.480 years

00:59:26.800 yeah

00:59:27.080 you go

00:59:27.540 to the

00:59:27.740 one

00:59:27.900 in Edmonton

00:59:29.540 I run

00:59:30.720 into people

00:59:31.120 who are

00:59:31.360 like Sheila

00:59:31.700 I hated

00:59:32.100 you because

00:59:32.480 you're

00:59:32.660 mean to

00:59:33.000 Rachel

00:59:33.260 Motley

00:59:33.600 but now

00:59:34.160 I think

00:59:34.640 we're okay

00:59:35.240 we're okay

00:59:36.080 again

00:59:36.400 because there

00:59:37.620 are NDP

00:59:38.000 voters

00:59:38.420 abandoned

00:59:38.740 by their

00:59:39.060 union

00:59:39.340 yes

00:59:39.700 and you

00:59:40.940 go to

00:59:41.140 that one

00:59:41.440 in Calgary

00:59:42.120 and I'm

00:59:42.920 like this

00:59:43.300 is the

00:59:43.740 strangest

00:59:45.660 cross-section

00:59:46.280 of people

00:59:46.700 I've ever

00:59:47.100 seen in my

00:59:47.540 life

00:59:47.920 you've got

00:59:48.520 like the

00:59:48.880 crystal secure

00:59:49.400 cancer granola

00:59:50.120 people over

00:59:50.660 here

00:59:50.980 and then

00:59:51.640 you've got

00:59:51.920 the blue

00:59:52.260 collar

00:59:52.560 conservatives

00:59:53.200 and then

00:59:53.640 you've got

00:59:53.920 the like

00:59:54.460 white collar

00:59:55.500 upperly mobile

00:59:56.700 conservatives

00:59:57.320 you don't

00:59:57.760 want to pay

00:59:58.500 too many

00:59:58.980 taxes

00:59:59.420 because they're

01:00:00.040 just single

01:00:00.440 dudes living

01:00:00.900 alone

01:00:01.240 and you know

01:00:02.440 you've got

01:00:02.720 the religious

01:00:03.240 right

01:00:03.820 it's

01:00:04.980 small business

01:00:06.000 owners who

01:00:06.500 have never

01:00:06.860 been political

01:00:07.520 until all

01:00:08.120 of a sudden

01:00:08.460 now

01:00:08.860 gym owners 1.00

01:00:10.500 like it's

01:00:11.140 just it's

01:00:11.680 crazy

01:00:12.440 the different

01:00:13.560 people that

01:00:14.420 are there

01:00:14.960 and only

01:00:16.100 someone who's

01:00:16.660 never bothered

01:00:17.120 to talk to

01:00:17.760 them

01:00:17.980 or even

01:00:19.220 passively

01:00:19.880 observe them

01:00:20.600 like their

01:00:21.000 wildlife

01:00:21.500 only those

01:00:22.860 people would

01:00:24.220 think of

01:00:24.700 them as

01:00:25.280 just this

01:00:26.100 rough

01:00:26.880 gross

01:00:27.720 bunch of

01:00:28.280 fringe

01:00:28.600 radicals

01:00:29.400 yeah

01:00:29.660 and you

01:00:30.260 know we

01:00:30.500 we talked

01:00:30.980 a lot

01:00:31.240 about

01:00:31.540 I heard

01:00:32.100 previous

01:00:32.860 the other

01:00:34.300 guests on

01:00:34.740 the show

01:00:35.080 my opening

01:00:36.040 act

01:00:36.320 William and

01:00:36.820 everybody was

01:00:37.340 talking about

01:00:37.940 the fact

01:00:38.340 that Bill

01:00:39.540 Blair's

01:00:39.960 physical

01:00:40.500 reactions to

01:00:42.480 his testimony

01:00:43.200 today

01:00:43.560 yeah

01:00:43.880 so in

01:00:44.780 2010 I

01:00:45.780 was at

01:00:46.240 the G8

01:00:46.880 G20 summit

01:00:47.620 I was

01:00:48.280 there and

01:00:48.640 I wasn't

01:00:49.020 in charge

01:00:49.360 of anything

01:00:49.700 I was the

01:00:50.160 low-level

01:00:50.600 duty officer

01:00:51.320 at night

01:00:51.740 when nothing

01:00:52.140 was going

01:00:52.580 on okay

01:00:53.080 but I

01:00:55.140 remember

01:00:55.780 talking to

01:00:56.820 police officers

01:00:57.460 in the place

01:00:58.360 that I was

01:00:58.780 working about

01:00:59.440 Bill Blair

01:00:59.900 because he

01:01:00.480 was kicking

01:01:00.920 the arse

01:01:01.440 of the

01:01:02.260 media

01:01:02.540 I remember

01:01:03.580 talking to a

01:01:04.140 police officer

01:01:04.560 going who's

01:01:05.140 this guy

01:01:05.600 he's incredible

01:01:06.440 he is

01:01:07.600 absolutely

01:01:08.240 kicking the

01:01:08.900 butt of

01:01:09.320 the media

01:01:09.700 and not

01:01:10.160 taking any

01:01:10.720 other crap

01:01:11.180 he's

01:01:11.480 professional

01:01:12.000 he's fair

01:01:12.560 I was

01:01:13.320 really impressed

01:01:13.980 with Bill

01:01:14.460 Blair until

01:01:15.280 I saw the

01:01:15.900 fallout of

01:01:16.600 the action

01:01:18.060 and there

01:01:19.180 is a

01:01:19.420 back story

01:01:19.920 on that

01:01:20.280 one

01:01:20.480 but the

01:01:21.820 thing is

01:01:22.140 when we

01:01:22.500 saw him

01:01:22.960 today

01:01:23.240 immediately

01:01:23.780 he sat

01:01:24.280 down

01:01:24.540 and I

01:01:24.780 could see

01:01:25.100 right away

01:01:25.560 he was

01:01:25.880 going into

01:01:26.260 vasoconstriction

01:01:27.280 and this

01:01:28.000 is where

01:01:28.480 because his

01:01:29.640 heart rate

01:01:30.620 was up

01:01:30.980 he had a

01:01:31.260 fear-induced

01:01:31.720 heart rate

01:01:32.260 and it

01:01:32.920 caused the

01:01:33.540 blood vessels

01:01:34.260 in his

01:01:34.640 body

01:01:35.540 and in his

01:01:36.180 skin

01:01:36.500 to turn

01:01:37.160 red

01:01:37.540 and he

01:01:37.760 was sweating

01:01:38.300 and he

01:01:39.040 was very

01:01:39.460 fidgety

01:01:40.020 I just

01:01:40.500 thought it

01:01:40.780 was whiskey

01:01:41.300 people that

01:01:42.220 are confident

01:01:42.820 yeah

01:01:43.220 but people

01:01:44.020 that are

01:01:44.320 confident

01:01:44.780 in what

01:01:45.660 they're saying

01:01:46.340 and are

01:01:47.020 fully prepared

01:01:47.680 with the

01:01:48.060 truth

01:01:48.460 don't have

01:01:49.420 to show

01:01:49.800 up and

01:01:50.340 display that

01:01:51.220 kind of

01:01:51.560 physical reaction

01:01:52.340 to honest

01:01:53.180 questions

01:01:53.700 right

01:01:54.100 and so that

01:01:55.080 in itself

01:01:55.640 is very out

01:01:56.780 of character

01:01:57.180 from what I've

01:01:57.740 ever seen

01:01:58.180 with him

01:01:58.540 back 12

01:01:59.040 years ago

01:01:59.540 and what I

01:02:00.520 was expecting

01:02:01.120 to see this

01:02:01.760 time

01:02:01.980 right

01:02:02.500 he was

01:02:03.140 clearly

01:02:03.700 not wanting

01:02:05.140 to go down

01:02:05.700 certain roads

01:02:06.400 in his

01:02:07.540 testimony

01:02:07.940 but what he

01:02:09.000 was really

01:02:09.560 really good

01:02:10.160 at that I

01:02:10.740 noted

01:02:11.080 was

01:02:12.100 you know

01:02:13.140 his

01:02:13.580 he used

01:02:15.040 it's almost

01:02:15.880 like they

01:02:16.280 got a

01:02:16.960 marketing

01:02:18.440 company

01:02:19.000 of some

01:02:19.480 kind

01:02:19.900 but to

01:02:22.900 look at

01:02:23.340 keywords

01:02:24.180 right

01:02:24.640 sample

01:02:25.060 words

01:02:25.500 where

01:02:25.920 certain

01:02:26.420 words

01:02:26.940 pull

01:02:27.300 very well

01:02:28.040 yeah

01:02:28.480 and you'll

01:02:28.980 notice

01:02:29.340 the

01:02:29.720 they use

01:02:30.940 terms like

01:02:32.040 disorder

01:02:32.900 unlawful

01:02:34.060 threats

01:02:36.700 violence

01:02:37.520 then he

01:02:39.120 went on

01:02:39.400 to talk

01:02:39.760 about the

01:02:40.340 the fuel

01:02:41.180 cans

01:02:41.780 the people

01:02:42.400 were bringing

01:02:42.840 fuel cans

01:02:43.540 into the

01:02:43.920 city

01:02:44.120 and they

01:02:44.740 could

01:02:44.920 potentially

01:02:45.460 explode

01:02:46.120 I looked

01:02:47.060 at William

01:02:47.520 when he

01:02:47.840 said that

01:02:48.240 and I

01:02:48.520 said you

01:02:49.020 know what

01:02:49.300 the one

01:02:49.600 of the

01:02:49.820 big

01:02:49.980 outcomes

01:02:50.500 of all

01:02:50.860 of this

01:02:51.140 is people

01:02:51.780 are suddenly

01:02:52.260 scared of

01:02:52.760 the gas

01:02:53.160 station

01:02:53.520 now

01:02:53.760 why do

01:02:55.680 you think

01:02:56.000 fuel

01:02:56.480 gas

01:02:56.960 is this

01:02:57.580 unusual

01:02:58.140 substance

01:02:58.720 you don't

01:02:59.360 know how

01:02:59.700 to be

01:03:00.000 around

01:03:00.380 after

01:03:01.440 you know

01:03:02.200 130

01:03:02.560 years of

01:03:03.640 motorized

01:03:04.020 vehicles

01:03:04.440 unless it's

01:03:05.700 a Pinto

01:03:06.060 right

01:03:06.380 right

01:03:06.820 we're worried

01:03:08.800 about like

01:03:09.380 electric cars

01:03:10.000 exploding

01:03:10.440 one thing

01:03:12.100 we do

01:03:12.500 know is

01:03:13.540 and it

01:03:13.940 hasn't come

01:03:14.360 out in

01:03:14.560 the testimony

01:03:15.060 but before

01:03:16.640 the night

01:03:17.020 that they

01:03:17.340 raided

01:03:17.660 Coventry

01:03:18.220 that day

01:03:19.780 we actually

01:03:20.340 had a

01:03:21.420 fire inspection

01:03:22.100 on where

01:03:22.860 they were

01:03:23.160 storing the

01:03:23.680 fuel that

01:03:24.120 day

01:03:24.380 it passed

01:03:25.520 the inspection

01:03:26.140 after the

01:03:27.240 raid the

01:03:27.660 fire department

01:03:28.140 did come

01:03:28.580 back and

01:03:29.080 reconfirm

01:03:29.820 that everything

01:03:30.240 was okay

01:03:30.720 with the

01:03:31.040 fuel

01:03:31.240 the other

01:03:32.040 thing is

01:03:32.540 that's

01:03:33.280 around that

01:03:34.060 same time

01:03:34.620 the electrical

01:03:35.380 safety

01:03:35.780 authority

01:03:36.140 came in

01:03:36.800 inspected

01:03:37.360 the electrical

01:03:37.940 panel that

01:03:38.500 they set

01:03:39.080 up at

01:03:39.740 Coventry

01:03:40.240 and passed

01:03:41.160 it I saw

01:03:41.680 the in fact

01:03:42.340 they have

01:03:42.680 copies of

01:03:43.200 the receipts

01:03:43.740 that's useful

01:03:44.400 people yeah

01:03:45.460 people with

01:03:45.980 life skills

01:03:46.700 making it

01:03:48.980 safe right

01:03:49.760 we were very

01:03:50.540 aware and in

01:03:51.380 touch with the

01:03:52.260 fire department

01:03:52.980 with regard to

01:03:53.860 storage of fuel

01:03:54.620 and so does

01:03:56.180 that get talked

01:03:56.840 about this

01:03:57.460 you know only

01:03:58.520 the most fearful

01:03:59.440 damning testimony

01:04:00.840 comes out of

01:04:01.520 bill blair's

01:04:02.080 mouth

01:04:02.400 I can't believe

01:04:03.360 that people are

01:04:03.960 still scared of

01:04:05.080 like propane

01:04:05.980 tanks

01:04:06.400 like are you

01:04:06.860 scared of your

01:04:07.340 barbecue

01:04:07.720 like you have

01:04:08.660 probably one

01:04:09.340 sitting on your

01:04:09.840 deck at home

01:04:10.540 yes propane

01:04:11.380 tank

01:04:11.660 yes but all

01:04:12.600 of a sudden

01:04:12.920 the people in

01:04:13.440 downtown Ottawa

01:04:14.160 were like we're

01:04:14.820 all going to die

01:04:15.420 because there's

01:04:15.860 propane tanks

01:04:16.560 yes which are in

01:04:17.660 a thing outside

01:04:18.640 of the Walmart

01:04:19.320 and the Home Depot

01:04:20.020 by the way

01:04:20.640 or there's people

01:04:21.460 yeah there's people

01:04:22.500 walking down

01:04:23.280 down the

01:04:24.280 the street

01:04:25.100 yeah I'm

01:04:26.960 sorry can

01:04:27.700 of fuel

01:04:28.100 it's crazy

01:04:29.140 yeah and

01:04:29.900 I can tell

01:04:30.960 you from my

01:04:31.300 own experience

01:04:31.880 with you know

01:04:32.960 using explosives

01:04:33.800 that your

01:04:35.260 chances of

01:04:35.820 actually doing

01:04:36.300 anything harmful

01:04:36.920 with with

01:04:37.600 gasoline

01:04:38.040 typically you

01:04:38.940 want to make

01:04:39.320 a big fireball

01:04:40.180 you use diesel

01:04:40.980 yeah I know

01:04:41.580 right so

01:04:42.420 I shouldn't be

01:04:43.760 talking about

01:04:44.280 that but no

01:04:45.580 I'm just saying

01:04:46.120 but it's ridiculous

01:04:47.800 I mean it is

01:04:48.800 it is stunningly

01:04:49.660 ridiculous to hear

01:04:50.640 this narrative

01:04:51.820 I feel like I've

01:04:53.020 gone back in

01:04:53.680 time back to

01:04:54.540 the previous

01:04:55.040 February and

01:04:56.220 I'm listening to

01:04:57.020 mainstream media

01:04:57.760 talking points or

01:04:58.780 should I say

01:04:59.500 back to the

01:05:00.840 27th of

01:05:01.720 January and

01:05:03.000 I'm just hearing

01:05:03.700 the regurgitated

01:05:04.540 comments coming

01:05:05.400 from Justin

01:05:06.000 Trudeau's staff

01:05:07.460 before he

01:05:08.840 before we

01:05:10.260 arrived in

01:05:10.860 Ottawa before

01:05:12.240 anybody showed

01:05:13.820 up with a

01:05:14.340 flag of any

01:05:15.480 sorts that was

01:05:16.380 you know

01:05:17.180 disrespectful

01:05:17.780 which is a

01:05:19.660 questionable

01:05:20.120 issue that

01:05:22.140 was you know

01:05:23.200 Brendan Miller

01:05:23.720 today was

01:05:24.260 trying extremely

01:05:25.120 hard to get

01:05:27.520 an explanation

01:05:28.180 out of the

01:05:28.620 government about

01:05:29.400 what they

01:05:29.960 knew about

01:05:31.980 those flags

01:05:33.040 and they

01:05:34.120 got stonewalled 1.00

01:05:34.780 really well

01:05:35.500 really hard by

01:05:36.340 the Department

01:05:37.120 of Justice

01:05:37.600 yeah now is

01:05:38.540 it the Department

01:05:39.060 of Justice

01:05:39.680 justice being for

01:05:40.780 Canadians or is

01:05:41.560 it the Department

01:05:42.140 of Justin

01:05:42.740 right let's

01:05:43.960 protect Justin

01:05:44.680 at all costs

01:05:45.560 you know we

01:05:46.100 will lie to

01:05:46.640 Canadians so

01:05:47.560 good we will

01:05:48.480 lie to Canadians

01:05:49.440 yeah instead of

01:05:51.400 tell Canadians the

01:05:52.280 truth at a public

01:05:53.440 inquiry you know

01:05:54.580 what let's go to

01:05:55.220 that clip five and

01:05:56.120 we're going to be

01:05:56.460 very very careful

01:05:57.240 because it

01:05:57.820 sounds like

01:05:58.200 there are

01:05:58.440 legal threats

01:05:59.000 flying around

01:05:59.620 now all of a

01:06:00.460 sudden so we're

01:06:00.880 going to be

01:06:01.100 very careful

01:06:01.680 just the facts

01:06:03.260 ma'am and

01:06:03.920 sir yes as we

01:06:05.260 talk about this

01:06:06.100 this is trucker

01:06:07.360 lawyer Brendan

01:06:08.040 Miller he's

01:06:09.380 cross-examining

01:06:10.100 the CSIS

01:06:10.600 director and

01:06:11.560 asked him if he

01:06:12.420 knew that a

01:06:14.020 Liberal Party

01:06:14.760 operative Brian

01:06:17.680 Fox from

01:06:18.520 Enterprise Canada

01:06:19.600 which is a bit

01:06:20.320 of a crisis

01:06:20.860 communications firm

01:06:21.860 if I understand

01:06:22.260 correctly was the

01:06:24.040 one who brought

01:06:24.860 a Nazi flag to

01:06:26.760 the trucker

01:06:27.300 protest in

01:06:27.900 Ottawa and I

01:06:28.360 make no contention

01:06:29.460 about whether

01:06:29.900 this is true or

01:06:30.640 not I'm just

01:06:31.680 reporting what I

01:06:33.240 witnessed with my

01:06:34.120 eyes today at

01:06:35.600 the commission

01:06:36.080 and then I'll

01:06:37.560 give my comments

01:06:38.220 about why I have

01:06:39.280 questions about

01:06:40.040 this flag in the

01:06:40.700 first place

01:06:41.080 well everybody

01:06:41.500 who was watching

01:06:42.240 it also witnessed

01:06:43.160 it so it's not

01:06:44.100 just isolated to

01:06:45.260 anybody in

01:06:45.960 particular

01:06:46.380 were you aware

01:06:48.740 that the first

01:06:49.660 time that the

01:06:51.340 picture of the

01:06:52.420 gentleman all

01:06:53.720 covered in army

01:06:55.040 fatigues with a

01:06:56.060 mask over his

01:06:56.820 face walking with

01:06:58.320 a confederate flag

01:06:59.460 through a crowd

01:07:00.200 it first appeared

01:07:01.800 in an opinion

01:07:02.420 piece in the

01:07:04.140 Toronto Star from

01:07:05.580 someone who

01:07:06.200 actually works for

01:07:07.320 the Liberal Party

01:07:08.240 of Canada

01:07:08.720 were you aware

01:07:11.080 of that

01:07:11.440 Mr. Commissioner

01:07:13.160 my friend seems

01:07:14.040 to be giving

01:07:14.500 evidence now

01:07:15.320 I'm asking if

01:07:15.920 he's aware

01:07:16.280 he asked a

01:07:16.820 question and I'm

01:07:17.900 I can guess

01:07:19.280 what the answer

01:07:20.060 is going to be

01:07:20.660 okay but

01:07:21.400 there's a

01:07:21.840 presupposition

01:07:22.540 of a fact

01:07:23.260 that's not

01:07:23.780 yeah because

01:07:24.600 you keep

01:07:25.420 interrupting me

01:07:26.300 when I'm trying

01:07:26.660 to ask questions

01:07:27.260 and I'm running

01:07:27.600 out of time

01:07:28.160 just please

01:07:31.780 okay

01:07:32.800 so

01:07:33.640 I'm not aware

01:07:34.220 of the articles

01:07:35.060 and I'm not

01:07:35.940 aware of those

01:07:36.480 facts that you

01:07:37.060 mentioned

01:07:37.460 I'm sorry

01:07:38.080 are you aware

01:07:38.980 of a company

01:07:39.380 called Enterprise

01:07:40.040 Canada

01:07:40.420 not specifically

01:07:44.220 no

01:07:45.000 and have you

01:07:46.760 identified the

01:07:48.360 individual

01:07:48.900 one that is

01:07:49.940 there was

01:07:50.380 it was all

01:07:50.720 over the

01:07:51.040 news

01:07:51.240 the gentleman

01:07:51.760 that was

01:07:52.100 carrying the

01:07:52.680 Nazi flag

01:07:53.380 have you

01:07:55.180 identified him

01:07:55.960 yet

01:07:56.320 Mr. Commissioner

01:07:58.520 as I've said

01:07:59.260 before we

01:08:00.020 the specific

01:08:00.900 details of our

01:08:01.680 investigations

01:08:02.300 have been

01:08:02.800 shared you

01:08:03.400 know with

01:08:03.800 commission

01:08:04.560 earlier

01:08:05.600 would not be

01:08:06.400 able to go

01:08:07.060 into more

01:08:07.540 specific details

01:08:08.300 so I think

01:08:09.120 that's right

01:08:09.640 yeah

01:08:10.000 no and I

01:08:10.680 take it

01:08:11.080 and I

01:08:11.400 take it

01:08:11.760 then sir

01:08:12.300 that you

01:08:14.980 know

01:08:15.440 that that

01:08:17.100 individual

01:08:17.560 was Brian

01:08:18.380 Fox from

01:08:19.040 Enterprise

01:08:19.480 Group

01:08:19.760 I have not

01:08:21.080 said anything

01:08:21.900 that respects

01:08:23.060 the council

01:08:23.660 I have not

01:08:24.320 testified to

01:08:25.380 that council

01:08:25.980 now whether

01:08:28.940 or not that

01:08:29.500 is indeed

01:08:30.080 Brian Fox

01:08:30.840 I cannot

01:08:31.480 I don't

01:08:32.860 know

01:08:33.080 but what I

01:08:33.560 do know

01:08:33.980 is those

01:08:35.140 people would

01:08:35.580 not shut

01:08:35.960 up about

01:08:36.380 IMVEs all

01:08:37.520 morning

01:08:37.880 yeah

01:08:38.220 and so when

01:08:38.660 you have

01:08:38.960 two walking

01:08:39.620 around on

01:08:40.120 the first

01:08:40.500 day of

01:08:40.900 the convoy

01:08:41.500 why haven't

01:08:42.720 you identified

01:08:43.340 them they were

01:08:44.060 literally walking

01:08:44.760 around don't

01:08:45.580 tell me these

01:08:46.000 people didn't

01:08:46.380 run facial

01:08:46.840 recognition on

01:08:48.220 them I'm

01:08:50.080 curious that it

01:08:50.980 didn't come out

01:08:51.480 the way that

01:08:51.880 they thought it

01:08:52.360 would and

01:08:53.520 there's a one

01:08:54.660 license plate

01:08:55.580 the confederate

01:08:56.520 flag they were

01:08:57.600 able to take a

01:08:58.580 screenshot of the

01:08:59.360 license plate

01:09:00.320 yeah which I

01:09:01.240 know if I get

01:09:01.820 pulled over for

01:09:02.420 speeding which I

01:09:03.040 don't honey if 1.00

01:09:04.100 you're watching

01:09:04.500 there are no

01:09:05.160 photo radar

01:09:06.040 tickets coming at

01:09:07.000 all but if you

01:09:09.060 know if I get

01:09:09.520 pulled over for

01:09:10.120 speeding they

01:09:10.560 run my

01:09:10.900 plate that's

01:09:11.640 like the first

01:09:12.080 thing they do

01:09:12.420 to identify

01:09:12.900 you right is

01:09:13.420 to run your

01:09:13.820 plate but they

01:09:15.620 want me to

01:09:16.100 believe that the

01:09:17.180 entire security

01:09:18.080 apparatus brass that

01:09:19.700 were sitting at

01:09:20.180 the table nobody

01:09:21.620 ran a plate on

01:09:24.200 the other truck

01:09:25.060 that had the

01:09:25.700 confederate flag I

01:09:26.880 don't I just I

01:09:27.540 don't believe it I

01:09:28.300 refuse to believe

01:09:29.100 that those three

01:09:30.700 yeah are that

01:09:31.820 inept I refuse to

01:09:32.800 believe it no when

01:09:33.560 it's when it's your

01:09:34.260 entire job to

01:09:35.220 consume information

01:09:36.080 and you can't

01:09:36.860 consume information

01:09:37.740 that is really

01:09:38.300 basic in general

01:09:39.120 it's not just if

01:09:39.900 you speed that

01:09:41.340 they'll run your

01:09:41.880 plate actually they

01:09:42.940 just do it all the

01:09:43.740 time now for no

01:09:44.700 for no reason they

01:09:45.780 just do checkups

01:09:46.400 they're running my

01:09:47.060 name every day

01:09:47.960 100% so again when

01:09:49.840 it's literally your

01:09:50.580 job to consume

01:09:51.520 information then

01:09:52.440 provide an accurate

01:09:53.660 source of intel for

01:09:55.320 others to be able

01:09:56.140 to read be debriefed

01:09:58.020 on when it comes to

01:09:58.860 the security of

01:09:59.700 Canada to the

01:10:00.440 security of this

01:10:01.200 country and you

01:10:02.160 can't even run a

01:10:02.900 plate yeah well

01:10:04.100 they did run the

01:10:04.680 plate I'm sure

01:10:05.260 that they did and

01:10:06.020 let me tell you if

01:10:07.100 you're a grandma

01:10:07.660 making anti-trudeau

01:10:08.740 posts on the

01:10:10.080 internet they've

01:10:10.880 run your plates

01:10:11.440 the media finds out

01:10:13.860 about you because

01:10:14.500 they'll know

01:10:14.960 everything about you

01:10:15.760 before sun's down

01:10:16.760 but these people

01:10:18.180 didn't run a plate

01:10:19.060 on that confederate

01:10:20.140 guy I don't believe

01:10:21.360 it I don't believe

01:10:22.320 it for a minute

01:10:22.820 either because if

01:10:23.940 you if you consider

01:10:24.960 the testimony that

01:10:25.980 the CSIS people

01:10:26.980 were giving early

01:10:28.060 on what they were

01:10:29.720 describing as CSIS

01:10:30.820 was acting as a

01:10:32.760 a filter

01:10:33.640 of information

01:10:35.340 and what they

01:10:35.840 were hoping for

01:10:36.600 was to see

01:10:37.580 IMVE or lone

01:10:39.360 wolves or that

01:10:40.420 kind of activity

01:10:41.120 come through the

01:10:41.860 filter and then

01:10:42.900 they could launch

01:10:43.440 an investigation

01:10:44.040 so I would argue

01:10:45.960 that this confederate

01:10:47.340 flag or nazi flag

01:10:48.640 actually did fall

01:10:50.000 within the parameters

01:10:51.040 of what a CSIS

01:10:52.380 investigation would

01:10:53.400 have been it been

01:10:54.240 in terms of the

01:10:55.680 way they were

01:10:56.240 describing the

01:10:57.040 evolution or the

01:10:58.120 accelerationist ideology

01:10:59.920 of an IMVE who

01:11:01.760 is not yet

01:11:02.800 considered violence

01:11:04.080 but what I can

01:11:05.220 tell you what I

01:11:05.880 do know understand

01:11:06.760 about doing threat

01:11:07.560 assessments on

01:11:08.460 active shooters

01:11:10.140 you know violent

01:11:11.620 nobody just snaps

01:11:12.720 violence is an

01:11:13.840 evolutionary process

01:11:14.920 and this is

01:11:15.420 something I learned

01:11:16.000 from a guy named

01:11:16.620 Kevin Cameron out

01:11:17.480 in Alberta

01:11:17.960 who does threat

01:11:19.460 assessments on

01:11:20.280 active shooters

01:11:21.000 and so that's

01:11:22.140 really what

01:11:22.660 CSIS would be

01:11:24.060 doing would be

01:11:25.240 talking about

01:11:26.420 assessing people

01:11:28.440 to see if their

01:11:30.580 their level of

01:11:31.600 rhetoric was

01:11:32.520 escalating or

01:11:33.740 evolving so this

01:11:35.660 truck I guarantee

01:11:36.960 that this truck and

01:11:38.000 these images of

01:11:38.940 anybody with a

01:11:39.600 swastika or even a

01:11:41.400 confederate flag because

01:11:42.400 the confederate flag in

01:11:43.560 Canada is like 0.99

01:11:45.000 completely out of

01:11:45.980 place in the city of

01:11:46.840 Ottawa it's nuclear

01:11:47.520 it's very inflammatory

01:11:48.780 so CSIS would have

01:11:50.140 looked at that

01:11:50.760 individual those

01:11:51.500 individuals and said

01:11:52.520 okay that is a

01:11:53.700 target of interest we

01:11:55.120 are going to make a

01:11:55.840 threat assessment based

01:11:56.880 on the fact that

01:11:57.660 whether or not that

01:11:58.520 person's violence is

01:11:59.700 going to evolve into

01:12:00.740 something that we

01:12:01.800 have to get individual

01:12:02.880 law enforcement to

01:12:03.860 look after but they

01:12:06.260 didn't even know who

01:12:06.900 the person was or

01:12:07.820 what the plate was

01:12:08.720 yeah we were we

01:12:10.320 were there you know

01:12:11.460 like I remember like

01:12:12.500 getting there late at

01:12:13.580 night when the rest

01:12:14.560 of the trucks were

01:12:15.440 parking on

01:12:16.080 Wellington still the

01:12:17.440 streets were being

01:12:18.100 filled and I was

01:12:19.260 also there the next

01:12:20.200 day and I can tell

01:12:21.040 you that I saw when

01:12:23.220 those photos started

01:12:24.340 emerging from the

01:12:25.100 internet I was

01:12:25.680 looking at it with

01:12:26.340 mocha

01:12:26.680 and the one

01:12:28.040 that's pictured from

01:12:28.960 like that high up I'm

01:12:30.000 not sure if we can

01:12:30.540 pull it up but there

01:12:31.420 is one it's this it is

01:12:32.700 the one of the

01:12:33.100 swastika flag and it's

01:12:34.560 up higher and there

01:12:36.140 was a lot of government

01:12:37.340 officials staying in

01:12:38.240 that building just

01:12:39.240 saying just to put it

01:12:40.120 out there we knew

01:12:40.820 that that was

01:12:41.340 confirmed then what

01:12:42.720 was that like eight

01:12:43.540 nine months ago yeah

01:12:44.940 um no the majority

01:12:46.880 of the flags were all

01:12:48.360 Canadian and then you 0.84

01:12:49.420 had different provinces

01:12:50.580 you had Quebecois

01:12:51.620 flags you had freedom

01:12:52.840 flags you had the

01:12:53.960 lovely beautiful F

01:12:55.580 Trudeau flags my

01:12:56.440 personal favorite

01:12:57.060 ones um you would

01:12:58.520 have been able to

01:12:59.160 pick anything that

01:13:00.640 was unusual out of

01:13:02.420 the crowd like so

01:13:04.460 obviously and I know

01:13:05.860 for a fact too that

01:13:06.620 when those people the

01:13:08.380 real protesters when

01:13:09.560 they saw that there

01:13:11.040 were those flags there

01:13:11.880 was videos emerging

01:13:12.720 almost immediately

01:13:13.980 afterwards and they're

01:13:14.740 like the sky's not

01:13:15.500 with us get this guy

01:13:17.040 out of here like it

01:13:19.300 was very very apparent

01:13:20.620 from the very beginning

01:13:21.520 that I believe that that

01:13:23.120 was done purposely

01:13:23.840 that's just my

01:13:24.480 opinion of course

01:13:25.320 I was I don't know

01:13:26.300 who the the swastika

01:13:27.880 flag guy was I don't

01:13:28.920 know who the

01:13:29.280 confederate flag guy

01:13:30.080 was either but I do

01:13:31.000 know you they were

01:13:31.840 both plants and I'll

01:13:32.740 tell you why because

01:13:33.520 if they were actually

01:13:34.800 members of the convoy

01:13:36.040 we would know

01:13:36.980 everything about them

01:13:38.680 by now so I was

01:13:39.760 actually asked uh by

01:13:41.460 Robert Kennedy Jr.

01:13:42.980 about this particular

01:13:44.000 footage yeah

01:13:44.840 specifically this is

01:13:47.200 back in I believe

01:13:48.900 March that I I was

01:13:50.620 interviewed on his

01:13:51.380 show and he talked

01:13:52.340 about this guy

01:13:53.080 specifically back in

01:13:54.620 March yeah and he

01:13:55.940 said you know like

01:13:56.860 you know for a fact

01:13:58.280 that this particular

01:13:59.180 individual is a plant

01:14:00.340 within the crowd

01:14:01.000 because one he's not

01:14:02.520 his face isn't uh

01:14:03.860 he's wearing a mask

01:14:04.740 I'm sorry I'm not

01:14:05.700 doing this specifically

01:14:06.620 in front of the

01:14:07.240 cameras yeah you

01:14:08.180 you can't say that

01:14:09.080 that's not a plant

01:14:10.020 and you know did this

01:14:11.440 after all the hay was

01:14:13.640 made in the media did

01:14:15.160 we ever see any more

01:14:16.260 of these flags did we

01:14:17.440 see swastikas no 0.91

01:14:18.680 it got its photo

01:14:20.120 opportunity it's talking

01:14:21.220 point for Justin

01:14:22.000 Trudeau to go on and

01:14:23.700 further use those

01:14:25.500 hypnotic words in the

01:14:26.840 mainstream media to

01:14:27.800 convince Canadians that

01:14:29.360 the government was on

01:14:30.500 the right and that we

01:14:31.500 were a bunch of evil

01:14:32.320 villains it's it's real

01:14:33.940 weird and this is not

01:14:35.840 good for my conspiracy

01:14:36.820 mind but you have on

01:14:38.620 the 27th the government

01:14:40.160 staffers people in

01:14:41.420 Justin Trudeau's office

01:14:42.220 and in emergency

01:14:43.140 preparedness are talking

01:14:44.720 or it was a public

01:14:45.420 safety doesn't matter

01:14:46.500 uh they used to be one

01:14:47.840 ministry so it doesn't

01:14:48.720 matter but they're

01:14:49.560 talking about okay so

01:14:51.140 we need to start

01:14:51.880 painting these guys as

01:14:52.800 radicals we need to

01:14:54.140 start feeding stuff to

01:14:55.980 the friendly media

01:14:57.580 then on the 28th we

01:14:59.720 get this imagery and

01:15:01.920 then by the 30th

01:15:02.820 Justin Trudeau was

01:15:03.620 saying look at these

01:15:04.700 these racists yes

01:15:06.240 look at them sounds

01:15:07.000 like we knew they

01:15:07.500 were coming we knew

01:15:08.660 they were coming isn't

01:15:09.760 it funny how you knew

01:15:10.660 exactly when they were

01:15:11.480 coming that's so weird

01:15:12.380 it's very strange and

01:15:13.600 it was sad to see

01:15:14.600 really frustrating to

01:15:15.600 see that um the the

01:15:17.700 text messaging there

01:15:18.780 between the PMO and

01:15:20.860 uh one of the other

01:15:22.340 staffers saying you

01:15:23.840 know and I'm paraphrasing

01:15:26.100 but basically saying we

01:15:28.120 don't want to put too

01:15:28.900 much pressure on the

01:15:29.880 convoy as it's arriving

01:15:31.360 because the convoy will

01:15:32.600 push the crazies out

01:15:33.700 right you'll do some

01:15:34.560 political hygiene yeah

01:15:35.820 yeah so they wanted they

01:15:37.800 knew the most radical

01:15:38.940 well and they knew that

01:15:41.080 that is a passive

01:15:42.860 admission although they

01:15:43.840 wouldn't admit to it

01:15:44.960 that the convoy was

01:15:46.860 largely good people

01:15:47.960 because you would

01:15:48.620 naturally push the bad

01:15:49.800 ones out yes yes and

01:15:51.900 in fact there there's a

01:15:53.100 lot of discussion that

01:15:55.360 I've heard around the

01:15:56.180 campfire uh that we did

01:15:57.920 have sorry um that

01:16:00.260 people that were

01:16:00.980 participating in the

01:16:02.320 convoy as it was

01:16:03.100 driving to Ottawa

01:16:03.980 because I got here two

01:16:04.820 days later uh were had

01:16:06.820 those discussions for

01:16:08.120 sure early on as they

01:16:09.080 were traveling

01:16:09.520 dancing away you know

01:16:11.320 I love this video so

01:16:12.660 much sorry I just oh

01:16:14.060 this was incredible

01:16:15.900 like I was in tears

01:16:17.480 actually so many people

01:16:18.620 were in tears of me it

01:16:19.660 like it it made me cry

01:16:21.160 because I had not seen

01:16:23.020 so many people smiling

01:16:24.340 and laughing and to

01:16:25.660 dance do you remember

01:16:26.980 when they said dancing

01:16:28.420 is not allowed singing

01:16:30.040 all bad singing at

01:16:31.800 church oh it was in it

01:16:33.640 was incredible I remember

01:16:35.140 when Celine started I'm

01:16:36.380 like I don't know do we

01:16:37.360 really need an intern and

01:16:38.980 then we're like you know

01:16:40.740 what we're gonna throw

01:16:41.280 this intern on the

01:16:43.040 convoy I'm like we're

01:16:43.920 gonna put her on the 1.00

01:16:44.400 convoy okay and then

01:16:46.000 uh she hit Ottawa and

01:16:47.120 she just hit the ground 0.92

01:16:47.780 running and then I

01:16:48.580 became a Celine true

01:16:49.640 believer you know I

01:16:51.680 saw one depiction uh

01:16:53.840 my entire time in

01:16:54.700 Ottawa of the the

01:16:56.460 swastika symbol and as

01:16:58.200 I got closer it

01:16:59.280 actually wasn't a

01:17:00.140 swastika it was four

01:17:02.080 needles to be shaped

01:17:05.240 like that with a circle

01:17:06.940 around it with a

01:17:07.660 cross thread yeah that's

01:17:09.120 what the the symbol was

01:17:10.180 it wasn't a swastika

01:17:11.140 interesting right and

01:17:13.120 you know you know we

01:17:15.180 I heard earlier you

01:17:16.180 were touching on the

01:17:17.160 actions of the

01:17:17.820 conservatives and I

01:17:19.980 remember towards the

01:17:21.160 end being unbelievably

01:17:22.660 frustrated with with

01:17:24.240 both parties oh for

01:17:25.940 sure political parties

01:17:26.900 and I and I said um

01:17:29.240 you know we've got real

01:17:30.320 honest to god issues

01:17:31.440 out in the streets of

01:17:32.280 Ottawa right now with

01:17:33.160 the police that are

01:17:33.880 busting heads and we're

01:17:35.520 talking in that in the

01:17:36.680 comments right now not

01:17:38.200 about what's happening

01:17:38.940 in the street but about

01:17:40.160 one conservative member

01:17:41.940 of parliament's hurt

01:17:43.040 feelings that is what

01:17:44.880 is occupying the other

01:17:46.140 the entire debate is

01:17:47.680 one member's feelings

01:17:49.220 were hurt by Justin

01:17:50.240 Trudeau and that's and

01:17:52.180 he walked out of that

01:17:53.180 debate yeah right we

01:17:55.180 didn't talk about Syria

01:17:56.220 we didn't hear them

01:17:57.000 talking about real life

01:17:58.300 issues we you know they

01:18:00.280 were all distracted by

01:18:01.260 the fact I think her

01:18:02.260 what's her last name

01:18:03.340 uh Lanceman Melissa

01:18:04.540 Lanceman right that was

01:18:07.040 what was occupying the

01:18:08.140 debate not what was

01:18:09.120 happening on the street

01:18:09.920 but her hurt feelings

01:18:10.960 and they're legitimately

01:18:12.040 hurt feelings I get it

01:18:13.260 but that wasn't the

01:18:14.860 time or the place

01:18:15.980 well also yeah yeah he

01:18:18.880 should not have said

01:18:19.640 that Melissa Lanceman

01:18:20.700 was consorting with

01:18:21.500 Nazis he shouldn't

01:18:22.260 have but maybe he

01:18:24.000 shouldn't have called

01:18:24.460 all these people

01:18:25.000 Nazis also you know

01:18:26.640 like all those

01:18:27.280 thousands of people

01:18:28.140 maybe you shouldn't

01:18:28.920 have called them

01:18:29.300 Nazis either it's a

01:18:30.120 huge allegation it

01:18:31.220 just it's ridiculous

01:18:32.280 you know what let's

01:18:33.440 go to one last clip

01:18:34.660 before we let Tom go

01:18:37.260 and everybody go have

01:18:38.920 something to eat

01:18:39.840 um I think you people

01:18:41.400 can probably hear my

01:18:42.220 stomach growling through

01:18:43.320 the microphone

01:18:43.840 let's go to uh clip

01:18:47.800 that's the food here

01:18:50.080 if you didn't hear my

01:18:53.120 stomach growl before

01:18:54.000 you're gonna hear it

01:18:54.720 now as soon as I start

01:18:55.720 smelling it uh clip

01:18:56.900 seven Bill Blair

01:18:58.720 uh he was shown

01:19:00.720 drone footage of one

01:19:02.580 one police operation

01:19:05.300 uh I think by his own

01:19:07.140 lawyer by the way

01:19:07.960 it was his own lawyer

01:19:08.980 it was his own lawyer

01:19:09.780 it's like it was like

01:19:10.860 one of those like Bill

01:19:11.740 why don't you tell us

01:19:12.380 how cool you are

01:19:13.080 let me help you

01:19:13.820 where it's in your

01:19:14.780 mouth we've rehearsed

01:19:15.600 anyways they show him

01:19:16.380 drone footage of one

01:19:17.300 police operation I

01:19:18.260 leaned over to Celine

01:19:19.180 before it aired and I

01:19:20.100 was like is this the

01:19:20.840 is this where they beat

01:19:21.920 up the journalists or

01:19:22.940 run over the old ladies 1.00

01:19:24.240 but no they picked a

01:19:25.220 sanitized version and

01:19:26.740 Bill Blair was able to

01:19:27.920 go like job later

01:19:30.580 yeah you can see

01:19:31.500 the alleged uh let's

01:19:33.280 go to clip seven

01:19:34.220 that's that wrecking

01:19:35.000 ball yeah you can see

01:19:36.400 that very difficult job

01:19:37.640 of policing and what I

01:19:39.060 witnessed certainly in

01:19:40.040 the city of Ottawa but

01:19:41.020 in other jurisdictions as

01:19:42.200 well but particularly in

01:19:42.920 the city of Ottawa an

01:19:45.000 entirely professional

01:19:46.020 proportional measured

01:19:48.700 response they they move

01:19:50.960 slowly methodically

01:19:52.820 respectfully um you

01:19:55.040 know it was very clear

01:19:56.040 that they were well

01:19:56.940 trained very clear

01:19:57.880 they were well led

01:19:58.760 um I I believe that

01:20:00.780 their their their

01:20:03.000 exercise of the

01:20:06.260 authorities that they

01:20:07.460 had both in existing

01:20:08.780 law and in the new

01:20:09.780 regulations was done in

01:20:10.800 a very uh measured and

01:20:12.360 careful way and I I've

01:20:15.100 I've I've seen some

01:20:16.100 video of how they they've

01:20:17.280 done it it was textbook

01:20:18.220 like I I've been trained

01:20:19.580 as a public order

01:20:20.160 commander and I've seen

01:20:20.920 it done well and I've

01:20:21.960 never seen it done better

01:20:22.760 than what I witnessed here

01:20:24.880 in the city of Ottawa as

01:20:26.460 they I think to the extent

01:20:28.160 possible as peacefully as

01:20:29.700 possible brought this to a

01:20:31.320 resolution they they

01:20:32.780 allowed people for example

01:20:34.000 points of egress it's always

01:20:35.300 important to let people have

01:20:36.340 a space to go they did that

01:20:38.180 work they know they move

01:20:39.580 slowly I actually found

01:20:41.580 myself trying to explain to

01:20:42.560 some of my friends that why

01:20:44.240 they're going slowly because

01:20:45.260 that's the right way to do it

01:20:46.380 and and in my opinion they did

01:20:48.760 it the right way okay thank

01:20:51.760 you uh minister Blair

01:20:53.180 you were watching the same

01:20:56.860 yeah that's frustrating I I

01:20:58.820 can tell you several reasons

01:21:00.180 why I find that incredibly

01:21:01.380 frustrating um tell us Tom

01:21:04.300 yeah well they clubbed our

01:21:06.180 journalist like she was a baby

01:21:07.380 seal yeah so you've you've got

01:21:10.160 a credentialed media person in

01:21:12.160 in the crowd who took a uh you

01:21:14.940 know a relatively low velocity

01:21:16.300 projectile in the thigh okay

01:21:18.420 which is Alexa took that um 0.78

01:21:20.360 that rubber bullet or the

01:21:21.980 projectile was a gas canner I

01:21:23.420 think she took and then it

01:21:24.400 broke and it's your gaster

01:21:25.580 so we've got two members of

01:21:27.640 the public that were run over

01:21:28.640 by a horse or horses Clydesdales

01:21:30.520 I mean not ponies here by the

01:21:32.680 way Guillaume here he was

01:21:34.680 pepper sprayed also right yes

01:21:36.000 yes and so you know to to kind

01:21:39.620 of go back up and I I'd like to

01:21:41.740 make this point about what he's

01:21:43.120 doing here okay he's not

01:21:45.680 actually talking to the

01:21:46.720 lawyers he's not talking to

01:21:47.780 the commission and when we

01:21:49.280 first started this convoy the

01:21:50.680 first night I or this um

01:21:52.100 commission the first night I

01:21:53.240 was on the show I said this

01:21:54.720 is a court of public opinion

01:21:56.120 yes and who he's talking to

01:21:58.420 so so when I did my master's

01:22:00.240 degree I focused in a lot on

01:22:01.980 negotiating and influence in

01:22:04.340 negotiations you use the media

01:22:06.060 to send messages to your

01:22:07.840 opponents right but in this

01:22:09.280 particular case he's not

01:22:11.040 talking to the lawyers in the

01:22:13.240 room he's actually talking to

01:22:14.420 the public that's who his

01:22:16.060 target audience is all the

01:22:17.680 supporters of the liberal

01:22:18.680 base and all the people that

01:22:20.260 hate the convoy that is who he 0.54

01:22:22.460 is rewriting history yeah to

01:22:24.740 instill confidence that the

01:22:26.300 government of Canada the

01:22:27.520 liberals know what they're

01:22:29.100 doing and they handled an

01:22:30.440 unruly mob that's what this

01:22:33.440 messaging is about so when he

01:22:35.000 talks about it he leaves out all

01:22:36.500 the details but the gory details

01:22:39.600 he leaves out the facts that

01:22:41.720 people were physically hurt and

01:22:43.540 he thinks it's textbook but I'd

01:22:45.560 like him to look Chris Deering

01:22:47.040 in the eye right after hearing

01:22:49.340 Chris Deering story about getting

01:22:50.680 blown up in Afghanistan and then

01:22:52.760 beaten by the Ottawa police and

01:22:55.360 you tell me how textbook it is to

01:22:57.060 beat a wounded veteran when the

01:22:59.440 other veterans around him are

01:23:00.740 screaming saying hey stop that's a

01:23:02.580 wounded veteran and they were

01:23:04.440 punching him in the head is that

01:23:06.260 textbook is that how we treat

01:23:07.780 veterans is that how we treat the

01:23:09.180 Canadian public we beat them

01:23:11.560 because you refuse to talk to

01:23:14.220 them because illegal snatch and

01:23:15.780 grabs yes let's not forget the

01:23:17.600 illegal snatch and grabs we're

01:23:18.940 just talking about the people we

01:23:19.920 know but I would suppose

01:23:21.920 hundreds of people were taken by

01:23:25.140 the police detained illegally

01:23:26.940 kidnapped I guess we'll call that

01:23:30.040 what do we call that in Canada

01:23:31.200 unlawful confinement take them out

01:23:34.160 of town or to the outskirts of

01:23:35.920 town yeah it's bitterly cold it is a

01:23:38.920 it is wet cold by the way I can see

01:23:40.760 that yes it's not like out it's

01:23:43.040 different I'm not saying it's

01:23:44.620 colder than Alberta but it's a

01:23:45.980 little different yeah take them

01:23:47.460 outside of town keep them for hours

01:23:49.580 sometimes before they let them go

01:23:51.660 their phones are dead sometimes they

01:23:53.980 don't even have coats because of how

01:23:55.220 they were arrested sometimes you're

01:23:56.440 pulled out of their trucks just

01:23:58.720 abandoned alone no cell phone no

01:24:00.800 shelter no way back on the

01:24:02.860 outskirts of town and uh he just

01:24:06.660 that's yeah and they weren't

01:24:07.820 charged I'm pretty sure they teach

01:24:08.960 you in depot not to go anywhere near

01:24:10.660 that by the way yeah and in none of

01:24:12.580 the a lot of the people that got

01:24:13.780 dropped off out in that um that

01:24:15.900 impound area out in the country none

01:24:18.000 of them were charged who should have

01:24:19.200 been charged the cops yes yeah that's

01:24:22.280 a lawful confinement and cops went to

01:24:24.060 jail for that in Saskatchewan we'll see

01:24:26.160 what the future holds but I do I do

01:24:28.520 predict that there will be um and I

01:24:31.280 got to be careful about my predictions

01:24:32.580 because I'm kind of but I think there

01:24:34.240 will be future lawsuits I hope so

01:24:36.100 excuse me I do too I absolutely do but

01:24:39.160 to see him to sit like he sat there and

01:24:41.700 said um what words to the effect of

01:24:45.520 it's re and reinstated or reinstilled my

01:24:49.240 pride in in my former uh professional

01:24:51.680 policing yeah and and he said that and I

01:24:54.200 just kind of wanted to I threw up in my

01:24:56.400 mouth a little bit okay it was a little

01:24:57.820 flag-waving patriotic garbage yeah he

01:25:00.840 doesn't realize he's saying it to the

01:25:02.260 defund the police crowd by the way that's

01:25:04.280 his keynote audience there exactly um but

01:25:07.620 he also said he didn't see any evidence

01:25:10.120 of uh unreasonable force used against the

01:25:14.380 protesters he didn't want to see any

01:25:15.940 evidence he wasn't looking there there

01:25:19.180 are compilations that exist on youtube

01:25:21.140 that I have watched since being here and

01:25:23.260 they are compilations of people literally

01:25:25.160 being beat by the police officers in

01:25:27.800 Ottawa there's the video of the woman

01:25:30.080 holding the the flower right up to the

01:25:32.520 police officer and he smashed her across 1.00

01:25:34.460 her forearm to knock the flower out of 1.00

01:25:37.120 her hand yeah this this happened in

01:25:40.320 Canada I want to I want to bring up

01:25:42.380 another interesting point sorry it's been

01:25:43.920 such a long 12 hours my brain is leg

01:25:46.320 inconsistent it's like that loading meme

01:25:48.220 that loading bar but um specifically in

01:25:50.860 regards to the the threats and the the

01:25:53.620 violence etc I want to bring this back to

01:25:55.360 actually ceases when Vinal was a video

01:25:58.140 video when he was talking I'm just sorry

01:26:01.020 rolled my eyes so hard um but when he was

01:26:03.660 talking about what makes a imbv or

01:26:06.240 whatever that horrible abbreviation is and

01:26:08.380 he was saying he was talking about the

01:26:10.140 very specific um triggers that people

01:26:12.600 have and it wasn't so much about the

01:26:14.000 concern of the people saying these things

01:26:16.100 that were apparently uh radical but the

01:26:17.900 consumers of that information and and

01:26:19.940 how that could inherently relate back to

01:26:21.800 violence and yeah yeah so when not one

01:26:25.440 single protester has been charged with

01:26:27.800 violence or committing violence against

01:26:30.000 anybody but you have police officers that

01:26:33.360 are committing violence on such a huge

01:26:35.620 scale I don't care what anybody says go

01:26:37.640 watch those YouTube compilations tell me

01:26:39.640 differently where is the CSIS where's the

01:26:43.680 media by the way oh 100% but why are they

01:26:46.460 not conducting these these these periods of

01:26:49.800 research or or intel why are they not

01:26:52.480 asking themselves the same questions these

01:26:54.700 police officers consume this information

01:26:56.860 from their prime minister by the way he was

01:26:59.020 the first one to say he's radicalizing

01:27:00.960 people exactly if that's I think that's the

01:27:03.680 point you're trying to make here is uh

01:27:05.240 Justin Trudeau is the one radicalizing

01:27:06.680 people 100% and they fed into it a week

01:27:09.460 telling people the Nazis are coming to your

01:27:12.300 town and so you've got all these like low

01:27:14.520 level loser activists who have like punched

01:27:18.160 Nazis on their laptop they'd never seen a

01:27:20.540 Nazi and they certainly couldn't punch 0.90

01:27:22.020 somebody in their life absolutely

01:27:23.480 ridiculous finally the Nazis are coming to

01:27:26.160 your town what are you gonna do punch

01:27:27.740 them yeah yeah so you've radicalized a

01:27:30.020 police force and this was something that

01:27:32.960 I was sitting there I was listening to all

01:27:34.960 these definitions through they were showing

01:27:36.660 these uh these charts through CSIS and as

01:27:39.360 I'm listening to it I'm thinking I'm not I

01:27:42.580 don't see them describing protesters I see

01:27:45.340 them describing the Liberal Party of

01:27:47.220 Canada that's what I heard I mean I had to

01:27:50.420 look up IMVE I've looked up several times to

01:27:53.000 see if the Liberal Party of Canada meets the

01:27:55.140 definition of IMVE I'm happy to say that

01:27:58.440 they don't technically meet that definition

01:28:00.300 but I would certainly see them falling in

01:28:03.660 under more of a um when they were talking

01:28:07.020 about actions that other people take that

01:28:10.140 inspire an accelerationist outcome and if

01:28:14.620 you look at everything Justin Trudeau did

01:28:16.560 he he set the conditions for the public to

01:28:22.360 believe that there was bad actors amongst

01:28:25.300 the convoy yes he said yeah he set those

01:28:28.640 conditions for people to become bad actors

01:28:34.100 within the convoy right and then you've got

01:28:37.120 law enforcement coming in from all over the

01:28:38.940 country that think that they're going in to

01:28:40.600 beat up bad people that they're actually

01:28:42.300 they're police officers believing they're

01:28:44.180 going to a new city to do good and to

01:28:46.440 protect the public at large only to come

01:28:48.920 there and see them you know they're thrown

01:28:50.860 off by the fact that wait a minute this

01:28:52.740 lady's handing me a flower well that's what 1.00

01:28:54.560 happens when you're when Justin Trudeau the

01:28:57.480 Prime Minister is inciting violence yes and

01:29:00.900 it's not the violence that he's portraying

01:29:03.560 happened that occurred the protesters were not

01:29:05.900 violent but he incited violence and now he's

01:29:08.360 talking about people that are violent and the

01:29:10.660 hypocrisy is so sickening it like I could drown

01:29:13.540 in it there's so much in the room something I

01:29:15.080 discovered about the media today I was poking

01:29:17.860 around and I don't I don't think I discovered

01:29:19.640 it it's just a thing I found about CBC today so

01:29:22.720 I was poking around because Bill Blair said I

01:29:24.600 didn't see any instances of violence so I

01:29:26.160 thought I'm just gonna Google violence in the

01:29:28.060 convoy and I like found like 10 but I also

01:29:31.060 found an image from CBC that I had never seen

01:29:34.560 before oh yeah and it is of Alexa being struck

01:29:39.100 CBC I know you do CBC if you're watching and I know

01:29:44.060 you hate watch I know that you have images of Alexa

01:29:47.420 being struck because you used it as a thumbnail in one

01:29:51.540 of your stories and I can see Alexa's red jacket in her

01:29:54.760 hair and so I know that you have footage that you're

01:29:58.200 sitting on of her being struck and it is was one of the

01:30:01.720 biggest stories in the world that day and you're

01:30:03.920 burying it you have a different angle of what

01:30:06.980 happened to Alexa and I know the media does this 1.00

01:30:10.020 because when I was hit by that little puke Dion

01:30:12.500 views go to Dion views.com where that video will live

01:30:15.620 forever in my footage of him hitting me I could see a

01:30:22.120 guy from CP from the Canadian press taking pictures of

01:30:25.540 what was happening to me and they said oh I said the

01:30:30.760 whole place is teaming with journalists why didn't where's

01:30:34.200 the other footage oh we don't have any so that I looked

01:30:37.160 carefully through my footage and I said oh shit there you 0.87

01:30:39.380 are yeah sorry I swore but it's a long day but I could see

01:30:44.560 him taking pictures of me getting hit and only then did the

01:30:50.240 alternative angles come out because I could prove that he

01:30:53.040 was standing in my footage taking pictures of me what's sad

01:30:55.840 for me is when I watch that I've seen that the women whisk him 1.00

01:30:58.840 away nobody nobody intervened yeah like there's no like I don't

01:31:03.400 know I'm as far as I'm concerned I can't comprehend why he

01:31:06.620 wasn't out cold about 30 seconds after he did you know what

01:31:09.200 because then it would have been rebel news journalist knocks out

01:31:11.840 of what a headline though yeah I know what I have time

01:31:16.620 um yeah um you know what it is 10 07 at night um it's been a very

01:31:30.560 long day for me and Selena I've started to swear on air so um that's

01:31:33.840 usually not what I do I'm almost there I'm almost there I normally

01:31:36.480 stop the journalist from swearing but here we are we've got one super

01:31:40.080 chat um from um from Annalisa 1964 thank you Annalisa who writes to us I

01:31:48.180 just wanted to let you all know that you're doing an amazing job you have

01:31:53.600 no idea how many times today I said grr well you know probably as many times

01:31:58.260 as me and Celine and Tom here too um I described at one point today Bill Blair

01:32:02.600 as a psychic vampire who was drinking my etheric energy from across the room like

01:32:06.300 I was a yogurt tube it was just so draining listening to him lie but um

01:32:13.320 the good news is that um it's only interest of the public getting

01:32:18.840 transparency they might never get answers but at least the documents are all

01:32:23.260 there for us to see well I said before coming here that because I was here in

01:32:27.360 the beginning of Ottawa and I saw everything that happened and then

01:32:29.700 whatever transpired afterwards I also saw um that I would be damned if I came

01:32:34.980 here and I didn't do everything in my power to stop them from writing history

01:32:37.920 wrong and I will commit to doing that for as long as I'm here we all will we

01:32:42.840 all do Tom thanks again well I think Bill Blair's motto should be the beatings

01:32:47.980 will continue until morale oh lord oh god it's been a day he's fine with them

01:32:54.920 issuing beatings I hope he retires him oh god I don't know the way his face is so

01:33:01.520 ready I think diabetes is going to get him before retirement ever does there it

01:33:04.940 is there it is anyways I'm getting ridiculous thank you everybody for

01:33:09.640 tuning in thanks Tom for always being so generous with your time even though it's

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Rebel News Podcast - November 21, 2022

BREAKDOWN： Trucker Commission Day 27 ｜ CSIS director, Emergency Prep Minister testify

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