Rebel News Podcast - BREAKDOWN： Trucker Commission Day 4

00:00:00.000 hey good afternoon good evening everybody and welcome to the rebel news daily live stream

00:00:16.440 wherein we have shifted focus from an afternoon or morning depending on where you are in the

00:00:21.760 country live stream where we talk about the news of the day to the evening where we talk about

00:00:27.140 the only news of the day and that's the truckers commission in ottawa it's the public order

00:00:33.400 emergencies inquiry wherein the actions of the government are being examined because

00:00:40.200 the government invoked really a counter-terrorism law on a bunch of bouncy castles hot tubs and the

00:00:46.220 horror street parties and i'm joined today by my friend william diaz who's been working his butt off

00:00:52.520 in ottawa covering the truckers commission and what a treat eva chipiak the best photo bomber

00:01:00.260 in the country she's in the background of all my pictures with tamara leach and there's a reason

00:01:04.520 for that is because if there's not a lawyer in tamara leach's pictures they're gonna put her

00:01:09.180 back in jail eva thanks for being on the show almost my pleasure so happy to be here

00:01:14.240 oh um big testimony today um and before we get too far into the weeds here um i should tell everybody

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00:01:47.260 satellite studio in ottawa which is exactly where william and eva are so there's your proof positive

00:01:53.020 that we're spending your money in the right place um but today we had jim watson on the stand

00:02:00.060 and it was interesting to hear him say that he never once asked for the emergencies act

00:02:10.380 eva you're the legal expert what's your big takeaway of what you heard from jim watson today

00:02:15.380 oh yeah there was so much like you said big day of testimony and i think um where it becomes really

00:02:23.040 interesting is if you look at the contrast of yesterday's evidence to today's evidence so here

00:02:29.400 we have um you know top dog of city of ottawa and painting a very different picture than what

00:02:37.560 the top representatives at the city of ottawa were saying and it you know it makes me think a little

00:02:44.440 bit going back to friday's uh evidence that we heard counselors politicians versus employees and how

00:02:54.220 evidence is coming across quite differently depending on whether or not you are an elected

00:03:00.060 official or not and we even saw that today with kim ayat who is a also an employee so lots of good

00:03:08.480 credible information one big ticket big factor item is that emergent ceilings were always opened

00:03:15.460 and they had um alternatives and they had already figured out what to do in the cases where they

00:03:23.100 couldn't access and the one particular example really is kent street so they had the protocol in

00:03:29.660 place so really you see the evidence is quite contrasting and that's what we saw in the media

00:03:36.820 the whole of heavyweight you could look at the same scene and have two different accounts of it

00:03:42.540 100 yeah it was weird to see jim watson sort of describe himself as a bystander in all of this

00:03:52.440 so there was and it's like no you were on the phone with gofundme he testified that it took one

00:03:58.040 phone call with gofundme to get everything cut off um he was and this is something we'll get to

00:04:03.900 actively meddling with the prime minister throwing uh looked like the prime minister's office was

00:04:10.220 putting pressure on watson to put pressure on uh the former police chief peter slowly to act in a

00:04:17.300 certain way and they threw doug ford under the bus which is what you get doug ford uh because doug

00:04:24.020 ford said yesterday he's standing shoulder to shoulder with prime minister trudeau on the invocation

00:04:28.900 of the emergencies act and then today we see in private uh phone call exchanges that uh watson and

00:04:36.660 trudeau were sort of saying well ford's not doing enough here he's the bad guy here and we're going

00:04:41.360 to hold him to account likely in the media um there was one thing that i thought was outstanding and

00:04:47.860 it was you know it was one of those things as i always say uh the kids say they need receipts and

00:04:53.120 boy they had them today watson repeatedly said that the protesters were unreasonable and you could not

00:05:02.320 reasonably negotiate with them and then there's like this letter yeah and then there's this letterhead

00:05:08.140 from watson where he was negotiating with tamara leach and he kept saying i was involved in the

00:05:13.980 negotiations it was dean french formerly of uh doug ford's office he was doing the negotiating it was

00:05:20.620 um the city manager who's doing the negotiating it was my chief of staff who was doing the negotiating

00:05:25.380 and then there's this letterhead that he signed to tamara leach detailing the uh negotiations with her

00:05:33.900 uh eva why don't you weigh in on that oh did we lose eva i think we're having the same uh technical

00:05:42.920 problems that we had yesterday um but yeah it was what i was saying to eva was um that jim watson just

00:05:52.840 was doing his very best to rewrite reality eva now that you're back maybe you can weigh in on that

00:05:57.360 right i um was going somewhere just remind me again where you were at before we caught off

00:06:04.260 okay sure i was talking about jim watson repeatedly saying that the protesters you couldn't negotiate

00:06:12.340 with them they were just absolutely unreasonable crazy people irrational and then there's this

00:06:16.980 piece of paper where he literally negotiated with them yeah so a couple comments on that one is that

00:06:22.840 the timeline of events you really have to think about it and i don't think that really came out

00:06:28.240 in uh the evidence today so if you paid attention to the timeline the first time we met with the city

00:06:35.020 manager that was a tuesday and that was under very tense circumstances and you'll hear that

00:06:41.700 in evidence when um some of the protester group will be able to testify so it was like first meeting

00:06:50.040 tensions are high and we're looking to de-escalate and that was i think somebody said today bring the

00:06:56.160 temperature down and that was exactly it um dean french came into the picture a couple days later

00:07:01.540 i believe we had a um kind of a preliminary meeting on friday friday night sunday this is two days

00:07:10.740 two days later there's an agreement that is made public on letterhead like you just mentioned

00:07:16.980 sheila not only from mayor watson with his signature but in response the freedom convoy signed by tamara

00:07:23.620 leach so uh less than a week this is how quickly and and yesterday we heard very clearly um both uh both

00:07:34.320 of the two um that were testifying they gave evidence saying that they did that to reduce

00:07:41.080 impacts on the area residents they wanted to do it they didn't come here to

00:07:46.980 i think we might have lost eva again it sounds that way yeah to i guess to just summarize what

00:07:59.680 eva was saying um and we heard it repeatedly yesterday from both the city manager and the

00:08:04.420 chief of staff to jim watson oh oh there you are having technical problems but this is what happens

00:08:11.240 and he set up a satellite studio and have it controlled from toronto um yeah it was uh you

00:08:17.780 know we heard that repeatedly and as i was saying to tom marazzo yesterday it was nothing but grown-ups

00:08:22.100 in the room yesterday um we had a grown-up in the room in the afternoon today but not so much in the

00:08:28.440 morning yeah very different from the hysterical accounts that we had from last week where people

00:08:34.080 were reporting like my mom's dog's babysitter told me that the truckers were mean and so

00:08:41.460 terrorism law them that's what we were hearing from yeah you know from some of the city councillors

00:08:46.840 yeah i think jim watson mirrored a little bit the type of statements that we saw last week as well

00:08:52.540 right yeah i think we uh olivia if you're able to we have a clip of um something that the politicians

00:09:01.160 were doing that the grown-ups in the room the city employees did not appreciate um and that came

00:09:06.940 out in testimony yesterday that they didn't appreciate as they were actively trying to

00:09:11.100 negotiate with clients eva that they were bashing them in the media and they were you know they were

00:09:16.420 pointing out like you're not being helpful you're making this worse but jim watson not one to learn

00:09:22.500 from his mistakes he thought he would do a little bit of that today when he um said that the

00:09:26.840 convoyers were nasty people maybe we can roll that clip this once you get down to 100 spread over

00:09:36.300 three shifts of eight hours a day it's not a lot of officers and so while we appreciate it every time

00:09:41.940 we saw a mountie or we saw an opp officer we needed the large number of 1800 to get this situation

00:09:49.040 under control and kick these yahoos out of our city who are disrupting the quality of life of the

00:09:54.800 people of ottawa fast forward we got what federal government the provincial government support we

00:10:01.200 wanted it sooner because this thing should not have lasted three weeks this

00:10:05.020 i don't know if we have the clip where he calls everybody's yeah that's the yahoos clip but we do

00:10:11.800 have one where he said that they were nasty people that just don't represent canada i think

00:10:17.120 as the mayor from ottawa has a better his finger on the pulse yeah i think it's written the transcript of

00:10:23.360 his conversation with prime minister justin trudeau i think that's where he that's where we see in the

00:10:28.680 way he spoke about the protesters and i do want to make a comment about that because yeah you the

00:10:35.520 people that were in ottawa they saw these comments the people that were negotiating with the city saw

00:10:42.000 these comments and what did they do they didn't um go out in the media and name call in return

00:10:49.600 they continue to act like adults and they said that's not why we're here we're here to end the

00:10:55.920 mandates we're not here to impact area residents we're going to be the adults in the room and we're

00:11:00.720 going to abide by this agreement and move forward the other thing i wanted to note about what we heard

00:11:06.240 from mayor watson today is and this particularly shocked me is that he continuously referred to getting

00:11:13.600 his intel information from the media yeah it says yeah he lives here take a walk like counselor mckinney

00:11:24.000 did and i actually do very much enjoy her video that she posted walking around with in the protest and

00:11:31.920 if you actually watch it there's zero honking there's zero violence there's zero name calling

00:11:37.760 she's taking a stroll down a street packed with trucks that's what we see i liked mckinney's video

00:11:45.120 because if you do watch it sort of out of context and maybe tune her out a little bit yeah it just

00:11:52.720 looks like a busy street uh you can see directly behind her that there's a an emergency lane that is

00:11:58.960 wide open and she's ranting about the truckers and how awful they are walking right past them and

00:12:05.200 none of them even engage with them and none of them engage with her they're just like yep we'll

00:12:09.920 just let that crazy lady talk to her camera it was there yeah yeah yeah yeah exactly um there's

00:12:18.720 some other things that i thought were quite interesting today um if we could bump ahead

00:12:27.680 to uh kim iott olivia i know i'm putting you on the spot in the office there um maybe you might

00:12:34.320 want to grab those those clips i think sydney cut them but we'll talk about now like you know you had

00:12:43.840 jim watson in communications with justin trudeau and justin trudeau

00:12:49.760 looked like he was pushing for an active change in the policing leadership because when we heard

00:12:58.160 yesterday it sounded like slowly said no these people have a right to be here you might not like

00:13:02.320 the traffic snargel they're causing but they we don't have an an ability or we shouldn't have an

00:13:08.480 authority to limit their charter rights when they go downtown to protest as long as they're

00:13:13.920 keeping a lane of traffic open and it looked like the prime minister was saying well what can we do

00:13:20.800 what can we do to put some downward pressure on the police chief to bend to our political will and

00:13:28.160 you can see that in the phone call readout and to his credit jim watson said uh we should be doing

00:13:34.640 everything we can to support our police chief and not allowing this political pressure to come down

00:13:39.680 on him from the top and it seems as though slowly and i'm only speculating here he just sort of fell on

00:13:47.200 his sword i think rather than be fired i think he probably just took the gracious way out because he

00:13:53.760 wasn't going to do the things that they wanted him to do well and i i don't know if you you caught

00:13:59.120 this but uh definitely it was brendan biller's cross-examine

00:14:02.400 it looks like we lost eva chippy x audio there um

00:14:22.400 it's it was really something to see though just wanting to imply apply the same force to a local

00:14:29.280 police officer that he's probably applied to brenda lucky a thousand times sorry eva we lost

00:14:33.520 your audio if you want to pick up your thought oh no problem so i i just wanted to share that um

00:14:39.120 when we less than with i think it was not even 24 hours that we were basically retained and told to

00:14:45.600 get out here we came here thinking that we would be in court defending an injunction from the city of

00:14:51.920 ottawa because that made sense to us as a legal tool um that didn't happen until well into our third

00:14:58.880 week and they didn't even serve us with it so um and we clearly made ourselves known we were in city

00:15:04.960 hall uh they knew who we were and who we represented not all the protesters but at least

00:15:10.080 you know a good chunk that had been recognized um but that didn't happen and what we did see was an

00:15:16.080 injunction from a private citizen and if you're looking to reduce impacts we know that that did

00:15:22.080 help with the honking impacts yeah as we've got video evidence from the anti-honkers themselves

00:15:29.280 um you were mentioning yeah you were mentioning something about um

00:15:35.040 uh no we're back uh you were mentioning something about brendan miller's cross-examination

00:15:40.240 and i keep joking on twitter that they're going to emergencies act him and cease his bank account

00:15:45.120 if he doesn't stop with his cross-examination bloodbath you were going to make a point about

00:15:50.560 his examination of watson so i don't know if it came out in watson but he had referred to

00:15:57.600 the cross-examination with one of the witnesses about um chief slowly looking for an injunction

00:16:04.000 so that is one of the legal tools that were available to the city and uh when we got retained very last

00:16:10.880 minute to help with some of the protesters recognizing that the landscape is really getting

00:16:16.960 a little hot and some legal assistance might be required we assumed the first thing we would be

00:16:22.400 defending is an injunction from the city of ottawa to well we didn't know exactly what they would be

00:16:28.720 looking for but probably parking we weren't on the ground so we didn't know the exact situation that

00:16:34.320 made sense to us and as we know they did get an injunction but that was way late in the game we

00:16:40.000 weren't even served although we had identified ourselves as representing some of the key players

00:16:45.840 in the protest so um you know that tool was available and if mayor watson today is saying they

00:16:52.880 wanted all tools available that was one that very much made sense and we saw how effective it was with the

00:17:00.560 private citizen injunction with honking now watson said it was a very volatile situation and i you know

00:17:10.080 i shouldn't burst out laughing when i'm watching these uh hearings but sometimes they're just so

00:17:15.200 ridiculous and i think these people are just so darn fragile so watson says uh it was a very volatile

00:17:21.680 situation and then he goes on to describe the volatile situation olivia maybe you can check that clip

00:17:26.400 because it was just a little bit too perfect it wasn't like violent street thugs okay let's roll

00:17:32.000 this sorry people started to realize this was turning into a very volatile situation uh when we started

00:17:40.400 seeing fireworks going off and hot tubs brought in and the behavior i told you about those four or five

00:17:46.640 incidents and uh you know the public um who are living here understood fully that this was a horrific

00:17:53.120 situation and the sooner it got resolved the better it was for everyone a volatile situation sounds

00:18:00.400 pretty darn fun to me you know fireworks and then hot tubs i never saw one hot tub and i'm still upset

00:18:08.160 about that i'm just gonna put that out there so i don't know where they were i hear they were around

00:18:13.280 but i didn't see one and the second thing i want to note and it was uh you know mayor watson today said

00:18:19.040 that he met with the two most affected affected counselors during the protest and went to a

00:18:25.520 downtown business to help support the downtown business in this chaotic volatile situation with

00:18:33.360 yahoo's around so you know if you just really think about what he says when he's giving his personal

00:18:41.200 accounts of what happened as opposed to what somebody may have told him or he may have seen on the

00:18:47.920 television you get a different account so that's worth noticing and i'm going to make this point

00:18:53.440 because i have heard this a lot and i'd love to say it here is people are really asking about hearsay

00:18:58.480 why do people get to talk so much about all these things and you know this is an investigative process

00:19:05.280 it's not an adversarial process so that's one thing uh normally in a situation like a lawsuit

00:19:11.120 you also don't have 20 or 10 different lawyers cross-examining you later so that is uh difficult

00:19:17.840 and that is where the evidence will be tested so if two people give the same evidence what the

00:19:22.560 commissioner is doing and his job is as a judge or a commissioner will do is they test the credibility

00:19:29.280 of the witnesses and then they weigh it so if two people say the same thing and you're not really you

00:19:34.640 don't think this guy is as truthful as the other guy his evidence is going to be weighed with less

00:19:40.560 less um just weighed less than the one that's more credible so that you know we we saw how engaged the

00:19:47.760 commissioner was yesterday um with serge al pan which was that's also really nice to see from a um

00:19:55.120 you know the the decision maker is to see how engaged they are with the testimony and the witnesses so

00:20:00.640 i just want to point that out because i i'm also sitting through a lot of this and you know i'd rather get

00:20:06.480 straight to the truth but that's what we're doing for the next six weeks yeah it's uh i noticed the

00:20:13.200 commissioner was also asking questions again today of um oh darn what's his name kim ayotte

00:20:21.280 kim ayotte the second witness he was asking questions of him and i thought that was kind

00:20:25.600 of interesting too um i think you also asked questions of jim watson when he said okay so who do

00:20:30.320 you think is more responsible the provincial government or the federal government for the lack of police

00:20:35.920 resources that were sent your way and he said it was both definitely not jim watson himself though

00:20:41.840 it's those other guys that are responsible for the screw-ups in ottawa

00:20:49.360 do we lose the ottawa guys again okay perfect perfect um now speaking of kim ayotte he gave some very

00:20:59.280 straightforward straightforward testimony today i think there was no bs with that guy he didn't try

00:21:05.200 to spin anything uh you know you could sort of see where he was going with some things but he really was

00:21:11.120 pretty darn straightforward so one thing i thought was interesting and it sort of blows

00:21:17.280 holes in the hysterical testimony of the city councillors uh matthew flurry and uh katherine mckinney

00:21:25.440 uh he testified i think it was under examination by the government lawyer that there were 28 toes so

00:21:34.800 he's in charge of bylaw ticketing towing all that stuff but he also pointed out that if it was happening

00:21:40.480 in the red zone the exclusion zone or the vehicles were related to the convoy his people were hands

00:21:47.360 off they weren't going to do it so if people were saying why weren't you ticketing and towing these

00:21:51.120 vehicles he was advised by the police not to and he has to he doesn't work directly underneath the

00:21:57.040 police but they work in they don't work in opposition of each other but he noted that there

00:22:01.600 were 28 toes on the first weekend and then a rapid decline in all the towing happening after

00:22:08.880 and the government lawyer asked if this was because the tow trucks refused to come and we've heard that

00:22:13.680 repeatedly we needed the emergencies act because we couldn't get the tow trucks to come for three

00:22:19.040 different reasons either the tow truck drivers were scared or they didn't want to risk their uh

00:22:23.840 business reputation being involved in doing this stuff or they were sympathetic to the convoy they've

00:22:28.560 said that repeatedly but kim i ought said something different he said when the government lawyer asked

00:22:34.640 him if this is because the tow trucks refused to come for whatever different reason and he said no he

00:22:39.920 said it was because they didn't need them to tow because the emergency lanes were kept open which has been

00:22:46.080 something that they've said all along is that they needed the emergencies act to get the tow trucks to

00:22:50.960 come because it was dangerous and they couldn't get to these emergencies but the lanes were open

00:22:57.680 yeah that's definitely something we heard today that emergency lanes were open everywhere except for

00:23:02.880 there was a bit of a congestion more so on kent and brito and sussex so those were the two areas that

00:23:09.360 were identified he identified protesters identified um so that's certainly the case and it is interesting

00:23:16.880 to see and hear these um different accounts i think actually olivia whispers in my ear we have that clip

00:23:26.160 so maybe we can show that maybe i'm paraphrasing wrong but i don't think i am

00:23:29.600 is it not true that the protest leaders were actually concerned about maintaining the safety

00:23:38.240 lanes and raise that with you they did right and they wanted to ensure that the lanes were open so

00:23:45.440 that emergency vehicles could always get through correct right and the protest leaders cooperated

00:23:51.840 with you and the city in maintaining those safety lanes right yes right and they maintained them for the

00:23:57.840 most part yes yeah and when new trucks would even arrive they even organized to talk with the what

00:24:04.560 they refer to as block captains did they relay that to you no all right but when new vehicles were

00:24:10.000 arrived uh had arrived to your knowledge you agree that they always organized to make sure that those

00:24:17.120 safety lanes were open yes

00:24:19.040 uh huh well isn't that interesting there was a one point where i ought uh reiterated that they were

00:24:29.600 not in inhibited from attending emergencies by the convoy and he even said that they were getting

00:24:35.840 complaints from the public poorly nuisance complaints that uh emergency services were taking too long but

00:24:42.400 every single one of those they investigated they didn't have any high level risks that they were concerned

00:24:47.680 about with regard to response time yeah and this is i i understand that tom araso is coming up um after

00:24:56.240 here and he will definitely be able to speak to that a lot more because that is something you know

00:25:01.680 volunteers came together with their um what they were able to contribute to and that's something that

00:25:08.400 tom really took under his wing is to help organize and make sure that there were always um an emergency

00:25:14.320 lane available it was a logistical nightmare and nobody was in charge but he was just trying to

00:25:19.840 help facilitate to make that happen there was something else that i ought said and i i won't keep you too

00:25:26.480 long eva i think we said we would only occupy a half an hour of your time and you've been in the same

00:25:31.440 meetings that i have been today so um i know that it can be uh psychologically exhausting to sit through that stuff

00:25:38.720 but there was um brendan miller also uh cornered iot and i was quite honest about it he said that there

00:25:47.520 were 3 000 tickets issued for municipal infractions and provincial infractions between january 27th and

00:25:54.960 february 14th so up and until the day before or the day of the invocation of the emergencies act

00:26:01.360 um and the exchange was fascinating because brendan miller goes 3 000 tickets is a lot a lot of

00:26:09.600 interactions with a lot of protesters and not a single assaulting an officer charge was laid

00:26:16.720 and you know that was one of the reasons they said oh we need to invoke the emergencies act because

00:26:20.880 you know there's we've got to crack down on these guys they're violent they're going to assault police

00:26:25.120 officers none were ever laid against the bylaw officers whatsoever or against any crimes committed

00:26:32.880 against bylaw officers whatsoever and so the threat uh you know one of the reasons they said they

00:26:39.520 needed the emergencies act was oh the bylaw officers are going to get assaulted the tow truck drivers are

00:26:44.960 going to get assaulted but any of the ticketing and in any of the subsequent towing nobody was

00:26:51.040 assaulted i i thought it was very very fascinating i don't know olivia if we have a clip of that or not

00:26:58.160 i lost the ottawa team again thanks olivia is going to bring one up while i rag the puck a little

00:27:05.280 bit here we go that's a lot of interactions with a lot of protesters and not a single uh assaulting a

00:27:13.200 peace officer charge was laid in relation to your bylaw officers that's correct

00:27:21.040 well well well how about that i'm not sure if we lost the team in ottawa so i'll just figure this

00:27:28.080 out on my own okay i'll keep going um okay perfect i uh

00:27:39.840 it's funny because uh i've spent the whole day being excoriated by the entire left of the internet

00:27:45.520 saying oh you're just repeating or you're just pushing an agenda i'm like i'm literally just

00:27:51.760 repeating the facts here you might not like them though the facts aren't going to go your way

00:27:56.320 because you might have had a little bit too much cbc um and you're relying on the same set of facts that

00:28:01.760 jim watson did to make his decisions instead of the facts before us yeah even even cbc you know

00:28:09.200 retracted their comments about the the tomb of the unknown children some of the crimes yeah exactly

00:28:16.240 they retracted their comments and both katherine mckinney and jim watson did not take into consideration

00:28:22.800 the fact that the state-funded canine broadcasting corporation retracted their comment they still went

00:28:28.880 along with the original narrative saying that it actually did happen one thing i'd love to add too is

00:28:34.880 um just going back to the three thousand uh tickets and and no violent interactions or charges

00:28:42.320 i'm not a criminal lawyer um that's not what we came here for and so we keith and i keith wilson

00:28:50.480 and i didn't witness anything that remotely resembled any criminal activity and we were with our clients

00:28:58.480 advising our clients and it was more of a discussion with we were talking to police officers

00:29:05.520 daily uh they had our numbers so so what are how are we acting criminally or assaulting people when

00:29:14.080 we have a direct line of communication with the police it just it doesn't even add up it's it's

00:29:19.440 very it's been an interesting already few days just to hear what was going on on the other side and all of

00:29:26.320 the interactions that were going on there when we were there on the ground having a good time with some

00:29:31.360 of the police officers really getting to know them and you know talking about how we can help what we

00:29:36.560 could do where you need trucks moved and thinking we're all getting along and and working together

00:29:43.520 yeah we saw that with uh the communications between kimia and i think it was chris barber

00:29:49.600 uh where they were a collegial sort of exchange uh i'm moving trucks i've been working really hard we're

00:29:57.120 going to start moving trucks again this morning although they didn't because the police were

00:30:00.800 redeployed after the invocation of the emergencies act um and you know kimia thanking him for his hard

00:30:07.600 work and that is a testament to how the truckers were dealing with the cops and the cops it seems we're

00:30:16.000 getting this pressure from above emergency services they seem to have a good relationship with the truckers

00:30:23.040 and it all changed everything changed when justin trudeau invoked the emergencies act and police

00:30:30.240 resources were instantly redeployed away from getting the trucks off the street so for all those people

00:30:36.480 who are complaining on the internet about sucking diesel fumes while they're sleeping with their window

00:30:40.960 open on the 22nd floor i'll have you believe that that doesn't happen a carbon monoxide goes down but

00:30:46.480 whatever um but the science doesn't work out but even if that were the case um a lot of their suffering

00:30:54.480 their misery the phantom honking and the phantom smells they tell me they experience that's on the

00:31:00.800 federal government because they were the reason there were not the resources to get those trucks off the

00:31:06.480 street anymore nailed it sheila there you go like there you see the background now of what was going on

00:31:13.600 with the like the our clients the protesters that we represented daily communications interactions

00:31:20.240 very friendly cordial reasonable as we heard yesterday and then um all of a sudden it it just ended

00:31:28.400 and that was because of um justin trudeau's actions yeah and now that we know the timeline

00:31:35.840 we do know that the city manager and the chief of staff for jim watson i think it was on the 13th

00:31:43.040 informed two ministers bill blair and marco mendicino that they had reached an agreement

00:31:49.680 with the truckers and trucks were already beginning to move they said that you your clients were operating

00:31:56.720 in good faith the whole time and still with that information in hand they invoked the emergencies act

00:32:03.120 the next day and derailed the whole thing you got it yeah so so that first monday we there was a bit

00:32:10.240 of logistical issues that and you saw that in the text message i think with kim ayat what's going on we

00:32:16.800 need to move and then the next day derailed chris barber was out there again in the freezing cold as

00:32:23.200 you saw he's like i worked my bum off yesterday got some rest ready to go again and he was ready to go

00:32:29.760 out there and they weren't moving removing the blockades and nobody talked to us so here we have

00:32:36.560 daily communication daily talking but i think that's something that's going to come out we've

00:32:40.560 already seen the miscommunication and the infighting with the city of ottawa and i i think we're going to

00:32:48.480 see a bit of miscommunication with police as well um and different departments of the police and i saw it

00:32:55.040 first hand so that's going to be coming up in some of the next few days i think

00:33:02.640 it's uh it was really something to listen to yesterday's testimony where the city officials

00:33:08.160 are saying we don't have enough cops you're not sending us enough cops we don't have enough cops

00:33:12.960 to get these trucks off the street because that's what we need to do that's the most pressing pressing

00:33:18.160 thing we need to move the trucks they've got a place where they're going to put them

00:33:22.480 they've agreed to let them be on wellington street they had another two locations outside of the

00:33:27.040 city where they were moving other trucks and they were saying we don't have enough cops to complete

00:33:33.840 this operation the feds weren't sending enough cops although they did deploy 50 of them to justin

00:33:39.600 trudeau's house um and then the next day they take all the cops or a couple of days later take all the

00:33:48.240 cops off the operation to clear the streets and focus it on uh i guess trampling old ladies and

00:33:54.400 shooting uh reporters with crowd control devices yeah yeah so um oh go ahead no please go i had a thought

00:34:07.680 oh we had a moment there where everything was working fine and then we both stuttered over who

00:34:17.440 was going to talk next um olivia do we have their audio back or did we drop it again

00:34:26.400 okay william say something speak to me william can you hear me sheila i can hear you now yeah perfect

00:34:33.920 um you know what maybe we'll let eva go um we've probably annoyed her enough with our technical

00:34:40.320 difficulties eva thanks so much please come back at any time you're such a pleasure to talk to and

00:34:45.840 uh you're fun at parties thank you and i'll be happy to photobomb anytime

00:34:52.400 perfect eva thank you uh let's throw to an ad we'll let eva just shuffle off set and then

00:34:57.440 maybe we'll bring in our next guest please thursday in ottawa the public order emergencies

00:35:03.600 commission kicked off it's an inquiry into the actions of the government or at least it's supposed

00:35:08.480 to be the inquiry is allegedly meant to examine whether or not the government was justified

00:35:14.400 in invoking an anti-terrorism law called the emergencies act to euthanize peaceful anti-covid

00:35:19.680 mandate protests taking place in the nation's capital but also in other locations across the country

00:35:27.440 my body my choice now the convoy to ottawa spent nearly four weeks completely peacefully demonstrating

00:35:34.720 against lockdowns and vaccine passports it evolved into a nearly month-long street party replete with

00:35:40.480 bouncy castles hot tubs street hockey concerts and community outreach efforts like soup kitchens and

00:35:46.720 food for the homeless rebel news as we were for the convoy to ottawa will be there on the ground in

00:35:52.640 ottawa to cover the commission from the beginning to the end because you just cannot trust the mainstream

00:35:58.080 media and in fact that's what today's report is about we've rented an airbnb in ottawa where we're

00:36:04.880 sending a rotating cast of journalists to report on the public order emergency inquiry now you can help

00:36:10.800 support our efforts there at trucker commission.com the mainstream media's reporting about the alleged

00:36:17.280 foreign nature of the convoy funding was cited as a reason the liberals invoked the emergencies act

00:36:22.640 to arrest detain and seize the property bank accounts and assets of anti-trudeau demonstrators

00:36:31.760 hey folks from october 13th to november 25th we are here in ottawa for the emergencies act inquiry

00:36:37.120 organized by the public order emergency commission but why why the emergencies act inquiry well because

00:36:42.640 during the freedom convoy back in february justin trudeau used a never invoked before emergencies act

00:36:48.880 to basically seize protesters bank accounts seize protesters money seize their assets trampled or

00:36:54.000 civil liberties so we're here this month for the next month and a half to figure out if the way

00:36:58.320 the government acted was lawful and was appropriate so we are here to hold the government accountable

00:37:03.040 but we need your help we are here to cover it for you because everyone else here is mainstream media so

00:37:07.200 if you want to help us cover it if you want to help us bring you the other side of the story factual

00:37:12.080 actual news go to truckercommission.com and consider making a donation if you haven't checked out our

00:37:18.000 special website covering the other side of the story of what's really taking place at the world health

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00:37:31.120 support our journalism because we've brought you many great reports that you need to check out there

00:37:36.000 but today we are speaking with a grassroots political party in germany called debesis you might

00:37:42.480 be familiar with their chairman he is a leading prosecutor in germany his name is reinar fulmich who's been

00:37:49.680 heavily involved in the corona investigative committee we're going to speak to some of their members here but

00:37:56.080 what they are informing the public about today is to stop the treaty that's the pandemic treaty that rebel

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00:38:18.880 hello everyone william yes here with rebel news and say let me walk you through what you need to

00:38:22.960 know about day three of the emergencies act inquiry here in ottawa the inquiry is taking place since during

00:38:28.320 the peaceful freedom convoy that occurred back in february uh justin trudeau used a never seen before

00:38:32.960 emergencies act this served to override all the civil liberties of the protesters that were there

00:38:39.120 the inquiry's rules to determine whether or not the use of the act was necessary and justified first

00:38:44.240 of all the two people testifying were steve kanalakos from the city of ottawa and chief of staff serge arpin

00:38:50.160 what's your understanding of why they were refusing to tow well there's several reasons the first was

00:38:55.120 their own safety um i think they felt that trying to tow a vehicle uh without the site being secured

00:39:01.600 in amongst uh protesters you could imagine um you know it could be quite conflictual when you're

00:39:07.680 trying to take someone's truck and people are still around the truck so they were concerned about that

00:39:12.240 they were concerned about the damage potential of their own vehicle should things get out of hand and

00:39:16.800 it's a cost to their business some are concerned that they do business with with truckers and trucking

00:39:23.120 companies and that's this would damage them reputationally and they would lose business

00:39:30.000 well there you go we have that was steve k uh testifying that uh he felt that the tow truck

00:39:38.240 drivers were in danger but as it turns out in today's testimony from kim ayat they actually didn't

00:39:44.000 need to tow anybody because they kept the lanes of traffic open uh there were uh 20 something toes

00:39:51.120 i mean approaching 30 i think it was on the first weekend and then it just petered right off because

00:39:57.360 of people like tom marazzo who joins us now he was part of the convoy and he was one of the people

00:40:04.800 making sure that the lanes of traffic were kept open for emergency services and we heard kim ayat say

00:40:12.000 today today yeah there was not a time and we investigated all the complaints there was not a time

00:40:17.520 that we could not access an emergency scene in a timely fashion how did you do that tom

00:40:26.080 well you know um i have to i have to say first off i'm really really happy to see that final

00:40:32.400 acknowledgement in in the room today uh because for months and months we've been vilified for

00:40:39.600 that as being one of the issues and so i'm really happy to see that testimony coming from

00:40:45.200 an actual you know the key guy in terms of safety in the city right now um so that's a really positive

00:40:53.360 thing to finally see that level of truth come out and you know the reality is that uh you know my first

00:40:59.760 day on the ground um i remember being there we got a map of the city and there was uh several locations

00:41:07.520 that the the ops had requested that we avoid and so i had a list that was produced uh or given to me by

00:41:17.360 one of the other um members and we had the map and the first thing we said was okay let's identify

00:41:23.680 the vulnerable uh infrastructure within the city and we we highlighted it like we literally had it

00:41:30.160 on the map as as no-go areas uh and there were streets that the city had requested and by the way

00:41:36.560 i want to say the police uh department their building was one of the uh one of the pieces of

00:41:44.240 infrastructure in the city that we identified ourselves in and agreed that we would not go near

00:41:49.120 and um hospitals uh long-term care facilities everything so that's really where we started

00:41:55.840 and then we started to look at all those high-speed approaches to uh the hospital and stuff like that

00:42:01.440 and um so one of the things we did is is we we put word out and we said okay look if there's a single

00:42:08.800 lane street in this in this city and we know there wasn't one but we were trying to kind of emphasize

00:42:13.200 the importance of this we said if there's a single lane street we don't put any trucks on it

00:42:17.760 if there is a two lane street we will only block one lane if there is a three lane street and i

00:42:25.360 remember very distinctly being in those meetings and and i said okay we're gonna if if there's three

00:42:30.400 lanes we'll block two uh on the outside lanes and one of the the truckers said no let's do the outside

00:42:36.960 two so that as people travel down the middle between the trucks they can safely turn left or right

00:42:43.520 so you know we we did a good analysis on what was safest for drivers that were trying to travel

00:42:49.840 through uh safety lanes that we deliberately left open and we worked incredibly hard to make sure

00:42:55.440 that it happened now i want to say something of a personal nature during my time in ottawa one of my

00:43:03.280 children actually went to the hospital in an ambulance in where he lives not in the city of ottawa and so

00:43:09.520 it reinforced the idea that you know this was an important thing to the public i mean i had i had

00:43:14.560 actual skin in the game for for my own child and so i had conveyed this to the ottawa police myself to

00:43:21.520 say look this is an important matter for for us as you know participants in the convoy but it's the

00:43:28.560 responsible uh safest thing that we can do right now to work with the city to make sure that that we are

00:43:36.240 that we are not interrupting any form of emergency service to the people of ottawa and and we worked

00:43:42.480 really hard at that and you saw the testimony today that confirmed that we were actually very

00:43:47.520 successful of it because we made a conscious effort to do this for the city and for the truckers for the

00:43:55.200 police for the fire for the ambulance drivers for everybody that would be affected by an emergency

00:44:00.640 yes there was cooperation with the residents of ottawa there was consideration for their well-being as

00:44:04.960 well despite what yes i mean shimia despite what jim watson said that she came here specifically to you

00:44:10.320 know harass them to make their life inconvenient yeah i you know i yeah i the the testimony that we saw this

00:44:19.120 morning um was i usually don't get stuck for words but with what i watched but did

00:44:30.800 jim watson today um i i feel like we've gone back in time nine months and he

00:44:38.560 incorrectly regurgitated all of the legacy liberal funded media talking points from nine months ago

00:44:47.200 uh you know i i timed it i i actually looked at the clock uh 17 minutes into his testimony this

00:44:54.080 morning and i was like there are too many false accusations that uh he has recounted that even

00:45:01.040 the mainstream media themselves have uh retracted yeah and and to sit here and listen to him recite

00:45:09.200 these things as if though they were fact when they were pure fiction all hearsay and just garbage that

00:45:15.040 he was getting out of the media is it was it was beyond sickening and here's the most bizarre thing that

00:45:21.280 i personally heard him say this morning which which is unreal at about uh at about the time when the

00:45:27.840 convoy raised about three million dollars in the first give send go or go fund me campaign he had

00:45:33.760 made the statement 17 minutes and he made the statement that canadians came to ottawa so that they

00:45:41.600 could get a piece of that money that's why they came here that's why they were motivated to come to on to

00:45:48.000 ottawa was to get a piece of that donated money like i i it was bizarro world uh listening to the

00:45:56.960 testimony come out of uh the the i'm going to use the term the so-called mayor of of ottawa because

00:46:05.040 i honestly i i don't know where he was getting his information other than from the mainstream media

00:46:11.040 because it doesn't sound to me like he wanted to talk to the police either

00:46:14.000 no i think i think it's it's a mix he said he was getting it there he said he was getting his

00:46:20.400 yeah go ahead yeah i'm sorry sheila i was saying i think it's a mix of you know mainstream media and

00:46:25.520 willful ignorance as well no i think it's just seeing that fact that was brought forward by mainstream

00:46:31.040 media at the beginning and then refusing to even do a little bit more research about it what are we

00:46:35.840 going to say sheila no i was just going to say um it jim said he was getting his uh yes information

00:46:43.360 from the mainstream media he did he said that and so it's a neat little circuit these people close

00:46:49.120 isn't it so you spread misinformation while accusing everybody else of spreading misinformation

00:46:55.840 politicians react on the misinformation knowing probably full well it's wrong because it's literally

00:47:01.680 happening outside their doorstep and then you give them funding to perpetuate the next lie so that you

00:47:09.680 can react uh in exactly the way you want to and this circuit just goes on and on and on and and

00:47:15.920 thank goodness our team is there to try to hold these politicians to account actually i think we have

00:47:20.640 a clip of william um running into jim watson you know william i'm surprised i'm surprised that you

00:47:29.200 haven't been tossed out of the building quite yet i think every day that you are you're living on borrowed time

00:47:36.240 kid yeah well you know i'm polite i don't harass them i don't call them names i don't yell at them

00:47:43.360 i don't run after them i'm asking them simple questions like media used to do in the early 2000s in the

00:47:50.880 1970s 1980s don't think for a second that being polite and reasonable is going to keep you in there

00:47:57.200 because it's not about being polite it's not about being reasonable it's not about asking a

00:48:01.440 a good and fair question it's about asking the wrong question the question that they don't want

00:48:06.000 to answer and that's why you're going to get kicked out i get you know what i think you'll make it till

00:48:11.840 three weeks i think they'll give you till three weeks until they've just had enough of you um

00:48:19.920 yeah right before justin trudeau arrives true north is out we're kicked out no problem

00:48:24.560 um we've got that clip uh olivia's got it mr mr watson you stated earlier that protesters were not able

00:48:31.600 to discuss rationally to have rational conversations yet we saw yesterday keith wilson have a gorgeous

00:48:37.200 exchange why doesn't the evidence corroborate your testimony perfect thank you

00:48:45.440 well you said thank you because i'm polite too polite it's uh you know what could he answer though

00:48:57.120 well i was lying because he was i mean he really was he testified today that he was not negotiating with

00:49:05.040 the protesters because the protesters were so unreasonable they were just like wild people

00:49:09.120 in the city according to him a feral you guys were just feral people not worth communicating with

00:49:16.080 but there's letterhead there's letterhead from him yeah yeah we we saw this i mean the testimony

00:49:24.080 that we've been listening to thus far is is constantly uh demonstrated with the exception of a few like

00:49:31.360 steve uh k um and and uh a few of the others because i was in the room when when uh that second meeting

00:49:38.720 with kim and you know for the the most part you're seeing this this uh propensity between all three

00:49:46.720 levels of government just refusing to want to have any form of a dialogue with us whatsoever and but

00:49:55.040 they have this this deep desire towards law enforcement extraordinary powers powers of punishment

00:50:02.800 and really it seemed to me like every level of government's objective was to crush

00:50:08.400 the convoy not to actually listen to what our grievances were i mean there's six million people

00:50:13.680 or approximately that are unvaccinated and on two separate occasions we raised 10 million dollars we had

00:50:20.560 unlimited fuels and supplies given to us by the public yet we were not worthy of dialogue uh which

00:50:29.040 we all repeatedly throughout the entire convoy were asking for just simple dialogue yeah they felt that

00:50:36.320 we were um unworthy of their attention other than to put us down uh that was their stated objective and

00:50:47.040 that's that testimony is coming out i mean even even myself surrounded by many members of the board asked

00:50:54.560 for justin trudeau to come and sit at a table with us and of course the media spun that into uh a complete

00:51:01.360 you're trying to overthrow the government yeah it was ridiculous yes oh i know i know and and this is

00:51:08.640 this is the frustrating part right is you know we talked about this last night they're not kings and

00:51:13.680 queens they're you know they're they are elected representatives that are meant to serve us and when

00:51:21.040 they refuse to talk to us and you know two years two years people in this country protested all over

00:51:26.880 in trying to get a dialogue going with the government they refused so what was what was our option our

00:51:33.360 option was to go to the nation's capital and take our grievance right to the source and and that's

00:51:40.000 what the convoy was about it's like if you're gonna two years you know people people constantly say

00:51:45.360 well they're you know there was an election he won uh suck it up well i'm sorry but that is not how

00:51:51.760 our system is supposed to to work uh section two of the charter says we have a you know a right to

00:51:57.920 peacefully assemble well that's what we did and we wanted to be heard because after two years of trying

00:52:04.400 nobody was listening yeah you know what it's interesting i've i've seen people conflate the

00:52:10.160 word peaceful with the word convenient yeah and they're not the same thing you know i think peaceful

00:52:18.960 means doesn't mean not disruptive it means not violent and the people of ottawa although i don't

00:52:28.960 think largely i think a handful of activist busy bodies in ottawa yes they're really doing their

00:52:34.720 best to rewrite the language here to uh think that inconvenience is akin to violence and you know it

00:52:44.000 one of the things you're marking on about um jim watson one of the things he said to me

00:52:49.920 really stood out and it showed his very sinister side and just how sneaky he was behind the scenes

00:52:58.560 because as i i've seen firsthand with access to information filings these people will say to each

00:53:03.920 other in an email let's take this offline or let's turn this into a phone call because they don't really

00:53:10.320 want a record of what they're saying uh so that somebody can file for access to information jim watson

00:53:17.200 today testified that he said it was best not to make their request for 1800 additional police personnel

00:53:29.440 public because they didn't want to show their hand about their preparations to end the so-called

00:53:37.760 occupation they didn't want to show just how much force they were willing to bring to bear

00:53:45.360 on peaceful protesters who were doing their best to do everything right and who were doing their best

00:53:52.400 to work with the police on the ground the politicians were ready to smash heads and they

00:53:57.360 didn't want anybody to be prepared for it yeah it is incredible i mean you listen to you listen to his

00:54:05.920 testimony you know what struck me was um there was a moment that uh when brendan miller said to him

00:54:13.600 uh during his cross he said um were you aware that the government was planning to invoke the emergency act

00:54:23.040 and he immediately said no yeah he did uh that really struck me as bizarre because if you look at

00:54:29.680 his testimony in the number of meetings the discussions that he had from the pmo to the premier

00:54:36.480 and all three of those politicians like he said they're politicians all three of them had declared states of

00:54:42.960 emergency there's no way in my mind that i believe that that was a credible uh answer that he gave today

00:54:50.640 where he said he was not aware of the emergency act or the government's plan to invoke the emergency

00:54:56.480 act i think that that is um uh you know this is my own speculation but if you listen to his testimony

00:55:04.000 all morning long and the number of inter uh or sorry uh interactions that he had with the government

00:55:10.720 how could you have possibly not had some sort of a pre-warning of some kind that the ea was coming

00:55:17.120 because i think that he he judged his actions or he measured his actions according to the what he

00:55:24.240 probably believed the emergency act was going to be invoked and i think he danced around the the

00:55:32.400 memos going back and forth between him and tamara uh based off the fact that he probably knew the

00:55:38.800 emergency act was going to be invoked so he was hedging his bets throughout that entire interaction and

00:55:44.320 you can see he's a very skilled politician he's oh he was playing he was playing all sides yes oh he

00:55:51.200 was playing all sides um and i guess it was the prime minister and doug ford was playing all sides too

00:55:57.680 but i guess he just got rolled up into a carpet and thrown into the ditch um i i grabbed a screenshot

00:56:04.560 of uh the readout of the uh communications it was a phone call actually between the prime minister

00:56:11.680 and watson uh justin trudeau says listen yes you can say yes the federal government will be there

00:56:18.640 with more resources but again the thing that frustrates me and everyone is conflated and then

00:56:23.840 it's inaudible because it's justin trudeau he probably just mumbled or took a drag off a

00:56:29.520 of a left-handed cigarette too much yeah anyway anyways uh then he goes doug ford has been hiding from

00:56:37.600 his responsibility on it for political reasons as you highlighted and important that we don't let

00:56:43.600 him get away from that and we intend to support you on that so these two are colluding behind

00:56:48.480 closed doors to hang this around doug ford's neck doug ford uh swimming in the shallow end of the

00:56:54.800 political pool says oh i'm standing shoulder to shoulder with justin trudeau yesterday and then

00:56:59.760 watson uh he says if they keep dragging their feet i'm happy to call them out on it it'd be nice if we

00:57:06.880 have something firmed up with the federal government to shame them ford didn't even

00:57:11.680 make an effort to come and see what's going on well watson you didn't die there by the way and

00:57:15.440 neither did justin trudeau so it's a bit ironic that they might say those things but they were

00:57:20.320 turning this into political gamesmanship for themselves they didn't care about the protesters

00:57:26.160 i don't even think they sincerely cared about the people of ottawa they were positioning themselves

00:57:30.480 to hang this around the conservative premier's neck conservative yeah progressive conservative

00:57:38.720 very loosely yeah and and i agree i mean you can see you can see and brandon miller called them out

00:57:45.120 on it and said you know you basically politicized this entire thing and he denies it but that's

00:57:51.120 what a skilled politician does and he's he's been in politics as most of his career uh that's what he

00:57:58.000 does for a living and that's what you you got a great example of of you know how not to answer

00:58:05.200 questions truthfully uh in in such a machiavellian skilled level and and you know one of the things

00:58:12.320 that i noticed um he's not quite on par with christia freeland for not answering questions but he

00:58:18.160 certainly does take a long time to get to the punchline yeah yeah um which never really is very

00:58:26.000 funny in my book but uh just deeply disturbing to listen to this testimony today i i actually had

00:58:31.760 to leave just after two o'clock i i couldn't take it to be i had had my fill uh and plus early in the

00:58:40.080 morning yeah yeah you were messaging me early in the morning and you had already had your fill by like

00:58:45.280 10 a.m yes yes and it was only the first half hour but eva sent me uh a way to do a homework

00:58:52.320 assignment so i i took that opportunity to duck out and get that done so i think i think it was

00:58:58.320 definitely a different crowd yesterday yes in terms of maturity in terms of the honesty of the

00:59:05.840 answers that we actually got from the people that were testifying yeah that was definitely a different

00:59:10.080 story the testimony yesterday was absolutely refreshing i mean you you could tell that the

00:59:14.800 the two individuals that testified yesterday they they didn't want us in their city they didn't agree

00:59:19.360 with us but i think they were very virtuous people in terms of being public servants and wanting to

00:59:25.120 do the right thing for their city that is that's the responsibility whereas the mayor today i

00:59:33.680 to me like he's not running for re-election but i think he is definitely running for a position

00:59:38.400 in trudeau's government yeah 100 yeah 100 rumors are i've heard he wants to be in the un

00:59:44.080 representing trudeau at the un well uh you know what yeah that seems about right no i think he's

00:59:53.920 positioning himself he'll be the next mp for some ottawa backwater um now then one of the things that

01:00:02.960 uh came out today was the as i was talking to eva although we had some technical difficulties with her

01:00:07.920 the political meddling from the prime minister's office trying to put pressure on uh police chief

01:00:13.600 slowly before he resigned before he was too deeply tied to the civil liberties infractions i think he

01:00:20.800 just sort of threw himself on his sword um yes this is what the prime minister said he said but on the

01:00:27.120 ottawa policing side have you seen as i have some concerns on how things were handled from the beginning

01:00:34.400 how is your relationship with the police chief and how are you guys working together there are

01:00:39.280 moments where you are saying one thing and he is saying another is there anywhere we can help around

01:00:45.360 that and then watson goes on to say as you know prime minister now is not the time to change courses

01:00:50.800 we have to do our best to support him so they were already putting pressure on watson to put pressure

01:00:57.200 on the police chief um and that's political meddling but i mean this is just a justin trudeau's usual

01:01:03.760 habit of leaning on the police to get them to bend to his political well we see it with brenda lucky

01:01:09.120 all the time exactly yeah that's actually what i was thinking too like he's he's perfectly comfortable

01:01:16.240 putting political pressure on the the highest jurisdiction police officer in the country why is

01:01:23.680 he going to bat an eye over putting pressure on peter slowly i just yeah it's not a far far stretch for

01:01:30.400 him uh he does this all the time so i don't see why uh the ottawa police chief would be an issue yeah

01:01:40.720 yeah he is actually right i mean when when you talk about i mean police services board i have a friend

01:01:46.480 of mine who is um you know on city council in her area i won't say where but um she's on the police

01:01:54.240 services board and she has said you cannot interfere with police operations which we knew from diane dean's

01:02:00.400 experiences uh in ottawa you cannot interfere you can as a police services board member you cannot direct

01:02:08.960 police operations there's legislation against it and yet um i don't know i you know here in ottawa you see

01:02:18.080 that diane dean no longer kept the confidence of city council and she was removed as the president of

01:02:25.360 the police services board right so even during that situation when they're getting rid of uh police

01:02:31.440 services board um presidents or chairs and they're also getting rid of police chiefs what does that say

01:02:38.080 to you it means that the people uh in power don't like the the people that have the legitimacy to to um

01:02:47.520 either manage police budgets or manage police operations so you saw that these two people were

01:02:55.120 no longer uh in their positions by the end of what day three of the emergency act yeah you know and i

01:03:02.800 think this goes to our conversation yesterday about we're in for a real crisis and a crisis in our public

01:03:08.320 institutions because all the people who will not bend to the politicians will they will be either removed

01:03:14.160 or seek early retirement because the bs just isn't worth it um i think we've reached seven o'clock

01:03:22.720 your time william you've been working hard all day um i have i'm approaching 10 hours in this chair

01:03:29.520 um i know i could probably talk about the flaws of the federal government all day long but we will

01:03:35.040 have an opportunity to do that tomorrow guys thanks so much for joining me on the stream tom your insight

01:03:40.480 is always so essential because you know we can only speculate about what happened on the ground

01:03:45.440 and inside these conversations but you were really there and so uh your insight is just so so valuable

01:03:51.360 um you're such a great resource for us here on the stream william keep ripping it up out there until

01:03:56.400 they kick you out young man it's all just intruder the sides and that's enough yeah

01:04:01.360 uh we'll see everybody back here uh this time tomorrow although it won't be me on the stream i'm

01:04:09.280 uh hosting a movie premiere in edmonton with ezra levant and kian simoni it's our um documentary

01:04:16.240 ungovernable um if you want tickets for that there i think there's just a handful left it's dinner and

01:04:22.320 a movie at a really great restaurant a restaurant that stared down the uh chinese consulate

01:04:27.760 and it sent uh protesters and a three thousand dollar bribe to get them to cancel a book signing

01:04:34.640 there um on ezra's book uh china virus so they turned down the bribe they they were going to call

01:04:40.560 the tow trucks on the protesters um which would have been um just wonderful to see but they didn't um

01:04:47.040 so we're there tomorrow night if you want tickets uh it's albertadocumentary.com for remaining

01:04:53.920 tickets we hope to see you there um guys great work i will watch the live stream replay of what

01:05:00.800 you guys talk about tomorrow um for my updates and as uh david menzies always says stay sane

01:05:10.560 you had no plan in that period 8 to 13th no plan was possible in your view without collaboration

01:05:19.680 and collaboration was late in coming is that a fair summary it's a very very very summary and may i

01:05:25.760 respectfully add that i believe that uh you know there's a lot of armchair quarterbacking

01:05:31.840 and in hindsight i'll give one example a member of council was tweeting no mass arrests that was at

01:05:37.680 the start uh the the chief of police was telling us um the charter writes he told the mayor the mayor has

01:05:46.960 no authority to overrule the chief of police on all police operations he told the mayor the charter

01:05:53.840 uh dictates that we allow this demonstration clearly we have learned all everyone the city

01:06:00.000 ops our partners have learned that that the world of policing is

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