After the Public Order Emergency Commission investigation wraps up for the day, we move our live stream towards the end of the day where we talk about exactly what happened in the Trucker Commission. We talk about the OPP's response to a peaceful protest in the nation's capital, Justin Trudeau's use of a never-before-used law called the Emergencies Act, and whether or not it was necessary.
00:00:50.460Good afternoon, everybody, or good evening, depending on what part of the country you're in.
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00:01:10.000This show used to be at noon Eastern or 10 Mountain, but since there's so much to talk about after the Public Order Emergency Commission wraps up for the day,
00:01:22.540we moved our live stream towards the end of the day, wherein we talk about exactly that, what happened in the Trucker Commission today.
00:01:29.180And for those of you who don't know, the Public Order Emergency Inquiry or Commission is a result of Justin Trudeau's invocation of a never-before-used law called the Emergencies Act.
00:01:43.220It's a rewrite of the old War Measures Act.
00:01:46.140So you have sort of an idea of the level of incident that this thing should have been used for.
00:01:53.360It's used for a Pearl Harbor event, a 9-11 event, an invasion of Canada, a breach of our borders, an internal catastrophic terror attack.
00:02:06.100Justin Trudeau invoked it on bouncy castles, hot tubs, street parties, and peaceful Canadians who brought their big rigs to the nation's capital and stayed a little too long for the local residents.
00:02:20.680And so apparently that amounted to domestic terrorism.
00:02:25.040Justin Trudeau invoked this law, seized the bank accounts, and gave police extraordinary powers of arrest and seizure.
00:02:32.460And so here we are now. He did that in February. It's October. We're rapidly approaching November.
00:02:39.320And we're finally investigating the government's actions and whether or not invoking the act was necessary.
00:02:49.200And you know, Sheila, you mentioned 9-11, but the act wasn't even used on 9-11.
00:02:54.140This is the first time in Canadian history that we used the Emergencies Act.
00:02:57.460And even for something as big as 9-11, the prime minister back then didn't even use it.
00:03:02.460No, that's true. And we've had also a very almost terror attacks happen on Canadian soil.
00:03:12.280They're sort of foiled before they got to there.
00:03:14.940Those sort of things never rose to this level.
00:03:18.780Justin Trudeau invoked it on a protest that was so peaceful, it caused the crime rate to go down in Ottawa.
00:03:27.460We heard in the first weeks leading up to the invocation of the Emergencies Act, which happened on February 14th, from the 27th of January to the 13th of February, the crime rate in the nation's capital went down.
00:03:43.740And there were only 13 convoy-related arrests.
00:03:50.320And that included like a minor stuff, like highway traffic deck stuff, mischief, probably public urination, maybe.
00:03:58.760Guessing there might be a public intoxication ticket in there too somewhere.
00:04:04.060And, you know, it was so bad, it was so terrifying that the worst thing Paul Champ was able to try to bring forward with the first witness today was the fact that trucks were parking in front of residential buildings on sidewalks and were being inconvenient to the public and that there were fireworks.
00:04:23.660Those were the worst things Paul Champ tried to make the first witness today say that took place.
00:04:31.000I've been to parts of the world where they do deal with terror in residential neighborhoods.
00:06:19.140I think that his time under pressure really showed how untenable his leadership was and how bad his leadership was in times of crisis.
00:06:31.900We heard OPP superintendents, multiple superintendents testify to just the chaotic and divisive nature of Slowly's leadership.
00:06:42.880There was one point where in a meeting with OPP senior brass who were coming into the city to help, their notes reflect that they said, look, we're here to help.
00:06:55.600We're here to act in support because you don't have enough officers to deal with this.
00:06:59.640And there was no plan and Slowly basically freaked out to the point where senior members of Slowly's leadership team were texting and calling the OPP superintendents and apologizing for whatever had just happened.
00:07:17.400He said he was abusive and out of control.
00:07:20.840Yeah, no, it's incredible what we're seeing come out.
00:07:23.940And I just want to inform you, I just see Keith entering our place in Ottawa.
00:07:28.340Yeah, Keith Wilson, Tamara Leash's lawyer, one of the lawyers representing the Freedom Organizers here in Ottawa.
00:07:36.440So we're going to throw to him that and when we come back, we'll be able to have Keith on with us.
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00:16:15.420You can push if you can push a few pencils for a couple of hours if it means that you preserve the civil liberties of everybody in the country.
00:16:22.900But then as it turns out today, we had an OPP superintendent saying, no, we didn't need that because OPP officers can arrest under the criminal code inside the city of Ottawa and they can work under the Highway Traffic Act, which much of it was done.
00:16:36.180So they didn't even need this, you know, bureaucratic jump over that the Emergencies Act provided to them.
00:16:45.460It was like it's so they just keep saying it would have made our it made our lives easier, but we would have come to the same outcome at the end of the day.
00:16:58.440I think during Craig Abrams' cross-examination by Mike Morris from Saskatchewan, he stated that, you know, the traffic was already dealt with.
00:17:08.800The road closures and traffic diversion was already happening before the invocation of the Emergencies Act.
00:17:14.520So I don't think the Emergencies Act was necessary into making sure that the traffic could continue to go on as usual.
00:17:21.300The roads could be cleared as they wanted the roads to be cleared.
00:17:27.360Well, if people have only a limited amount of time, and most people do because they've got more important things to do with their lives, but although this is incredibly important and let's not lose sight of that, the interesting one to watch is actually the cross-examination of the police witnesses by the Government of Canada lawyers, because they're the ones that have to ask the questions to elucidate an answer that supports the invocation.
00:17:51.500And so the last thing is like, well, you couldn't have done X without the Emergencies Act, right?
00:17:57.940And then the senior police officials say, oh, no, we had the ability to do that.
00:18:02.400Well, you couldn't have done Y without the Emergencies Act, right?
00:18:08.300And it's just, you know, there's been a number of times where I'm sitting at our table with the four of us lawyers, and we look at one another and say, well, should we pack up our bags and go home?
00:18:35.360Of course, we've got our case to put in, and that's going to be interesting.
00:18:40.120We're still negotiating our witness list, and I think people will find that interesting when they see who we ultimately have.
00:18:47.960So I think we're going to continue to be surprised.
00:18:51.900But remember, this is a very serious matter.
00:18:54.500This is the federal government overriding people's rights.
00:18:58.080This is the federal government giving itself the power to intrude into provincial jurisdiction.
00:19:01.860This is the federal government doing this because we all know why a very spoiled, childlike prime minister got upset that hardworking blue collar and other Canadians called him out for his tyrannical health mandates and the harm that he did to our families and our communities and our careers.
00:19:22.800And he wasn't going to stand for it and man up and be accountable.
00:19:27.400Instead, he was going to punish Canadians and beat them up and push them out of town as he did.
00:19:33.480You know, that's one thing that I think is sort of a thread that goes through so much of this and that it was hardworking blue collar Canadians.
00:19:43.240And you see a lot of classism in all of this.
00:19:46.160You see a lot of, I call them to Eva, the laptop and pajama class, the people who get to work from home, didn't really feel the effects of the pandemic.
00:19:57.000Actually, their life was never better because they didn't have to go to the office.
00:19:59.840Versus the people who have to go out in the world and keep the world turning.
00:20:05.800So that well-kept people like those Ottawa bureaucrats can sit in their 22nd floor cubicle and complain about the diesel trucks below them.
00:20:13.980You see how icky they think those people are and how their largest complaint was that their Uber Eats was too slow.
00:20:22.940But then you also see it in how they claimed they needed to invoke this emergencies act to compel the truck, the tow truck drivers to do what they wanted them to do because the tow truck drivers were declining to become enforcers at the hands of the state.
00:20:38.260So what they need, you hear it all the time from these OPS officers, well, we needed the tow truck drivers to come.
00:20:43.460The tow truck drivers didn't want to come.
00:20:45.840Well, yeah, they didn't want to be the enforcement arm of the state.
00:20:49.840They don't want to have a bad name in their community because they did something bad to their neighbor on behalf of Justin Trudeau.
00:20:56.320So then they say, well, we had to invoke the emergencies act because those prickly blue collar people weren't doing what we wanted them to do.
00:21:03.420So we're just going to expropriate their business for a time here and make them do things against their will.
00:21:09.300There's a lot, a whole pile of classism just running right through the middle of all of this.
00:21:14.980There's a funny backstory here, Sheila, and I don't know if you know it.
00:21:19.140But think back to where we were with health mandates in January and February.
00:21:24.360And that's back when we had the rule that if you went into your workplace and someone you worked with got COVID, what were you supposed to do?
00:22:10.620Now, but even their excuse about the tow trucks needing the EA because the tow trucks doesn't hold water because they were able to find seven tow truck companies in all of Ontario, probably outside tow truck companies.
00:22:23.840You wouldn't want to be the local guy doing this with 34 heavy haul tow trucks that were willing to come in the days before the EA was invoked.
00:22:33.820Well, we've already had two witnesses testify, police witnesses, that they had the ability to compel them under the Ontario legislation, that they didn't need the federal legislation.
00:22:46.740So even if it was an issue of not having tow truck companies voluntarily come forward because they're having a little fun with it and saying that, oh, everybody's quarantining because of COVID,
00:22:55.900they still had the ability to compel under provincial legislation and they didn't need the federal act.
00:23:00.260You know, Olivia, why don't we throw to this clip?
00:23:05.780And it was, again, a testament to the organization of the truckers.
00:23:12.420It's Craig Abrams, OPP superintendent, on what he experienced and his people experienced upon getting the convoy into the city of Ottawa, if you want to throw to that.
00:23:25.020I'm sorry, I kind of put her on the spot there.
00:23:32.240But what Craig Abrams testifies to is, well, that they were dealing with logistics professionals, by the way.
00:23:43.040When you're dealing with truckers, you know, like they know how to get in and out of places.
00:24:10.680In this first weekend, sort of January 29th, January 30th, can you just share with us any other observations about what was happening on the ground, what was going well, what was not going well?
00:24:28.540I was getting lots of reports from my members of the NCRCC.
00:24:32.080There was lots of dysfunctions to lots of yelling, lots of unknowns of what they were going to do.
00:24:36.220On the 31st of January, I had a conversation with Deputy Bell where he basically said, we're planning for a protracted event and we really don't know our way out of this.
00:24:47.780So that was the first indication to me on the 31st that we were going to be in for a long haul to assist them.
00:24:54.000So I had to prepare my incident command team to kind of switch to say, okay, now we have to switch operations to supporting the Ottawa police.
00:25:02.840And I'm not 100% what the numbers are going to look like yet, but it's clear through talking to Deputy Bell that it's going to be protracted.
00:25:10.960They don't see a way out and they're going to be relying on us and other services to help them.
00:25:16.620I think that was the wrong clip, Olivia.
00:26:41.480They entered the city of Ottawa in an orderly fashion.
00:26:45.180We had minor issues with supporters on the roadside on the 417 getting kind of dangerously close to the side of the highway, which was a concern.
00:27:05.460So from that perspective, it was a success in getting them into the city of Ottawa.
00:27:09.720Now, that's one of the things that fascinates me the most since the beginning of the commission, how people have such different testimonies from one another.
00:27:19.700Catherine McKinney, you're going to hear her basically talk about it, just like Zexili, how the convoy was like the purge.
00:27:25.960The whole war was going to end in two months and didn't have the emergency act.
00:27:29.820And then we have this gentleman right here who says that the truckers were peaceful, that he's not aware of any charges that had been laid when entering the city.
00:27:39.980On the contrary, you have Matthew Plurie who talks about microaggressions as they're the worst things in the world, the worst than authoritarian COVID-19 mandates.
00:27:48.520Everyone seems to have a different version of the story.
00:27:53.560Well, but there is a common theme developing, and that is anybody who's in an official salaried capacity seems to be describing things in less than dramatic terms and oftentimes with more accuracy and truth, whereas those who are holding political office are just filled with hyperbole and sensationalism
00:28:18.180and, you know, revealing a heavy snowflake tendency for sure.
00:28:26.140Yeah, it's really something to see the grown-ups talking, and then you have the hysterics talking about other things.
00:28:35.280But I'm inclined to trust the OPP on all of this.
00:28:39.500They produced Intel reports early in January.
00:30:16.040He mimicked his opening statement in his cross-examination of the senior intelligence officer for the OPP, the guy who led Operation Hendon.
00:30:26.580We didn't even know they had a code name for us, but now we know that.
00:30:29.880And he repeated his opening statement, Brandon Miller did, with questions.
00:30:35.100And with each of them, the senior intelligence officer for the OPP said, yes, there was no evidence of this.
00:30:45.200You know, it's like, it's just really remarkable what's going on.
00:30:49.620And, you know, when we were negotiating with the police and the politicians, when I was on the ground with Tom Maratso and Eva and others, we were always, and Eva would have an expression, where are the adults in the room?
00:31:03.800And I know you used that a minute ago, Sheila, but we actually used that expression on the ground.
00:31:08.320And we thought the other side was chaotic.
00:31:11.440We had no idea the level of breakdown, dysfunction, egos, backstabbing, and all of these things that are being revealed.
00:31:20.820It's tremendously embarrassing to find out that the hundreds of millions of dollars in taxpayer money that go into these police forces and these municipalities and these elected officials have resulted in such a dire situation.
00:31:35.160Yeah, it was, it's been really something to see just, as we keep saying, just the extreme level of dysfunction.
00:31:43.280And it seemed the only people who had their act together were the truckers.
00:31:46.680The cops didn't know what the heck was going on.
00:31:48.920And the mayor, he doesn't seem to really know what was going on.
00:31:52.000I mean, he's just making things up at this point.
00:31:54.120I don't know if you saw the other day where he said that someone came from the Maritimes with a gun to shoot him and was arrested.
00:32:22.420Keith, thanks so much for being so willing to come, come on to the show, talk to us and give us your unique legal perspective because you were on the ground.
00:32:31.340We're hearing a lot of people talk about this and including myself.
00:32:34.600I wasn't there, but a lot of my team were.
00:32:36.420And it's very unique because you were in these negotiations that a lot of people want to distance themselves from at this point.
00:33:08.280And is it your understanding that that was only made possible by the invocation of the Emergencies Act?
00:33:20.700It was my understanding through reading Twitter accounts and media releases that Ottawa police had indicated to the public that the red zone was created as a result of the Emergency Act.
00:33:34.160I did a lot of the briefings with the members to explain their authorities, and I tried to explain it in as simple terms as I could to say, you're all police officers.
00:33:43.400So they knew they had those abilities.
00:33:45.200If they saw something, they could act.
00:33:47.200They didn't need the Emergency Act to do it.
00:33:48.860When the Emergency Act was invoked and there was restrictions placed and guidelines is the wrong word, but restrictions or regulations put in place about boundaries and certain street boundaries and entry into those boundaries and that members of the public entering that area had to have three or four different excuses, either a lawful purpose, a business owner, going to a hotel.
00:34:16.940So there was three or four different areas that they were allowed to, so my officers were then expected to essentially do that.
00:34:26.640So it turned from what was officers really observing traffic to once the act was invoked, I went downtown to see what our members were dealing with, and it was essentially a 14 to 15 hour ride program.
00:34:40.100Our members rode up in horrible weather, standing on the roadside, checking vehicles, going through the list.
00:34:46.900Hey folks, from October 13th to November 25th, we are here in Ottawa for the Emergency Act Inquiry organized by the Public Order Emergency Commission.
00:34:58.700But why? Why the Emergency Act Inquiry? Well, because during the Freedom Convoy back in February, Justin Trudeau used a never-invoked-before Emergencies Act to basically seize protesters' bank accounts, seize protesters' money, seize their assets, trample their civil liberties.
00:35:14.060So we're here this month, for the next month and a half, to figure out if the way the government acted was lawful and was appropriate.
00:35:20.860So we are here to hold the government accountable, but we need your help.
00:35:23.520We are here to cover it for you, because everyone else here is mainstream media.
00:35:26.560So if you want to help us cover it, if you want to help us bring you the other side of the story, factual, actual news, go to truckercommission.com and consider making a donation.
00:35:47.280Yeah, so definitely super long date time, but before we start, I heard that you had an interesting interview earlier with a great leftist friend, Dean Blundell.
00:35:56.460Yeah, that was pretty. It's the second time I went on Dean's show.
00:36:02.220So, you know, he makes it interesting.
00:36:07.500And the reason I agreed to go on the show, which is what I told him before I agreed to go on the show, I said, look, the reason I'm going to go on the show is this.
00:36:17.600Justin Trudeau and many of the politicians have spent years ripping this country apart.
00:36:22.260And I kind of felt like Dean Blundell and I, who are absolutely diametrically opposed in all of our views, had an opportunity to set a good example on two people that are so on the opposite sides of the spectrum in terms of what we believe about COVID-19, the government and all that kind of stuff.
00:36:44.600It was a great opportunity to set an example, to have a dialogue, because that's what's been missing in this country for almost three years and maybe longer than that.
00:36:54.300But, you know, we hear these stories consistently all across Canada where, you know, because different family members had opposing views about COVID-19 and mandates and PCR tests.
00:37:08.760And, you know, we heard people were not allowed to go to their own family members unless they showed a rapid test trying to get in for Thanksgiving dinner.
00:37:16.280And so, you know, we have been polite, I feel like on our side of the issue, we've been polite for quite a long time.
00:37:27.240We've been respectful of our friends, our family, our co-workers.
00:37:30.400And I thought, let's put our money where the mouth is.
00:37:33.960And, you know, I agreed to go on Dean's show.
00:38:08.480And it was a little bit of a, I don't want to say it was an ambush because Dean told me they were going to be on it just before they were on it.
00:39:15.940So, this gentleman there on the bottom left in Karima, I mean, he lives in Ottawa and he felt like he had a very strong grievance.
00:39:23.920But the challenge for us is, like I said, is, you know, for every 10 people that Dean Blundell can find of people that were negatively affected by the convoy, I can find 10 that supported the convoy.
00:39:40.160And I think, you know, you touched on the division, the population, the media.
00:39:43.520Politicians are not willing to engage with.
00:39:45.620I think that's one of the reasons why we are where we are at right now as a society.
00:39:50.960But let's go back to the commission now.
00:39:52.460So, you are one of the Freedom Convoy organizers.
00:39:54.700We just got a legal perspective from Ethan Wilson.
00:39:57.660Sitting through the commission today, what was your main takeaway as one of the people that organized this peaceful protest back in February?
00:40:03.440Well, I think towards the end, the comments there were a little bit unsettling from the last witness today talking about the fact that, you know, communications between us had broken down.
00:40:21.880And he basically blamed us for the lack of communications with them.
00:40:25.480And, like, I respectfully, vehemently disagree with that.
00:40:30.380I mean, all of us made public statements.
00:40:33.980I had begged the Ottawa Police Services liaison teams to give us a higher-ranking police officer to talk to.
00:40:44.620And, in fact, there was a situation where I thought I was going into a meeting with at least an inspector.
00:40:49.840I told them, I said, the next person I talk to on OPS better be an inspector, minimum, and not the two that I was dealing with.
00:40:57.440And so, I attended this meeting with the expectation that I was actually going to be meeting with an inspector.
00:42:41.220So, to say that they wanted to have a dialogue and we broke down on our end is just categorically false.
00:42:49.340Yeah, I think this situation, plus the city of Ottawa, plus the federal government, plus the OPP, plus Doug Ford, plus everything that's been happening, shows a lack of trust, destroys the trust that Canadians have in our authorities.
00:43:05.980And I think that Eva Chipic, one of the other lawyers for the Freedom Convoy, summed it up well in one of her tweets.
00:43:11.780I don't know if you can show it on the screen.
00:43:12.880But she said, basically, loss of trust might be the most significant finding in the public order emergency commission.
00:45:27.540I mean, the tow truckers didn't want to risk losing business as well.
00:45:31.620You know, at the time of the Ottawa convoy, they didn't want to go anywhere near it because they viewed truck drivers as kind of a, you know, sort of a brother in there.
00:45:41.680I mean, they both drive big, giant vehicles that move things.
00:45:46.320And I don't think the tow truck drivers wanted to have any part of it.
00:45:49.400Like, they didn't want to feel like they were going against, you know, loosely their brotherhood there.
00:45:56.000So I don't think there was a big, deep will of the truck drivers to get involved either.
00:46:00.860Same thing in Coots with the tow trucks is there's a bit of that cooperation failure between tow truck drivers, operators, and the RCMP for very, very similar reasoning.
00:46:12.360And I can't pull up an article or anything on this at the moment, but I remember that one of the things that happened was as soon as it was announced that, you know, Joe trucking or sorry, Joe towing was going to be assisting the RCMP.
00:46:24.080It was like all of Southern Alberta immediately went to Google reviews and gave them a one star.
00:46:28.780It's like, OK, you're going to cooperate.
00:46:30.600Well, we're going to show you what that means.
00:46:33.780I think something like that probably happened here in Ottawa as well with the ratings and stuff like that.
00:46:39.340And I think I heard testimony of that, but I could never really confirm it.
00:46:43.340And really, at the time, it wasn't really a big concern of mine.
00:46:48.160But yeah, like to hear that testimony, though, that, you know, to be again blamed for it.
00:46:55.900And I remember being upset with the police liaison team when we didn't get that meeting, but always in the back of my mind, I always questioned how much support they were getting from their own chain of command.
00:47:10.580And it's kind of nice to hear, like over the last couple of days, that testimony, you realize they weren't really getting a lot of support.
00:47:18.840And, you know, they, too, were getting the runaround quite a bit.
00:47:22.780And that was because of all the infighting that was happening behind the scenes.
00:47:28.220And the chaos, the lack of organization.
00:47:35.620I was just going to say, I can add the – as you guys, or as the convoy, I should say, was traveling through Ontario to get to Ottawa, the OPP officer mentioned, you know, I was like they weren't breaking laws.
00:47:59.800It's only a matter of when all these other officials and agencies were starting to amalgamate and, I guess, work side by side, if you can call it that, is when the failures started to erode the situation.
00:48:13.520And, you know, there's some terminology that keeps coming up, and it depends on which witness goes up onto the stand.
00:48:22.260And I find it a little bit – it immediately gives one the impression that the witness on the stand is actually biased towards a certain outcome.
00:48:32.360And I know this because every time I hear a witness say, refer to the convoy as the freedom convoy, I know they're at least empathetic.
00:48:42.300But when they say illegal convoy or illegal occupation, that's when you know that that particular witness is going to be at least biased against the convoy, and hopefully they won't be biased in favor of the implementation of the emergency act.
00:49:01.020So, this terminology does kind of reveal the direction of the thinking of the particular individual.
00:49:08.640And when I hear a witness get up there and say illegal this or illegal that, my question that I would like to answer is, at what point did what we were doing actually become illegal?
00:49:21.260And that's the question that I haven't heard an answer to yet.
00:49:35.600So, this is where I have problems with when the people get on the stand and they say illegal, I know that they're going to be a biased witness against us.
00:49:43.580Whereas what we saw with, I think, Superintendent Morris the other day, you know, I think he used that terminology, but strangely enough, he stuck to the facts.
00:49:54.440So, you're seeing a very diverse sort of witness list of people coming in with very different points of view.
00:50:05.660And it's always interesting every time you get a new witness, kind of your first impressions versus how they actually end up.
00:50:33.180They have specific things they're looking for and listening into.
00:50:37.200And that is something to be accounted for as well.
00:50:40.400There are parties that are, I guess you could say, maybe not in opposition to each other, but their legal teams are certainly looking for every inch they get when it comes to a lot of these government organizations.
00:50:50.920And, you know, where is the blame going to fall?
00:50:54.020And that's a big fight that's kind of silently going on right now between those teams.
00:50:57.820And there was a bit of frustration, I believe, from, I forget exactly which individual it was, but one of the legal representatives in asking his questions.
00:51:05.660You can tell he's getting, you know, heated.
00:51:09.900So you're starting to see those organizational, pardon me, organizational interests at hand.
00:51:17.960Yeah, and I believe the lawyer you're referring to could be Peter Slowly's lawyer because a couple of times the justice had said, be fair to the witness because he kept asking questions and then cutting them off.
00:51:33.680You know, and I think the trick with the lawyers is never ask a question unless you already know the answer, right?
00:51:38.520Yeah, so, you know, you see examples of this kind of going on there.
00:51:43.960Maybe they're getting frustrated because they're not getting the answer they were expecting to get.
00:51:47.420So they have to pivot to a different tactic.
00:51:54.620No, I was just going to say we're running out of time, but you can say what you were saying.
00:52:01.020Well, yeah, and that kind of alludes to the two kinds of questions that the legal representatives are going to ask.
00:52:05.960It's the question they expect the answer to, and, you know, they read the question, the witness answers, and they say, great, yeah, next question.
00:52:11.820And then there's the question they ask, and the witness says something, and they go, wait, hold on a second.
00:52:15.740All right, we've got to reorient the perspective here.
00:52:19.020So it's kind of the two legal counsel questions I see being asked right now.
00:52:47.580Well, as we're pulling that up, I can just say in hearing the commission, that was one of the – or how it was expressed by one of the OPP officers, I believe it was, is that the grievances conveyed by the convey, there was a multitude of grievances, including, you know, the price of oil, the gun confiscations or the gun bans and stuff like that.
00:53:09.980And this was all on top of, of course, the vaccine mandates and COVID restrictions that had been in place.
00:53:15.480So it's funny he's making this announcement today on the handgun situation where he's – I don't know if you could say going after the same group of people, but it's just such a wide group that maybe no matter what Trudeau does now, he's going to be targeting more and more of the population.
00:53:32.160Yeah, here we have the clip so we can show it on the screen.
00:53:39.000We need to make sure that we make good on our commitment to implement the buyback program on a national ban for assault-style rifles, because those guns have no place in any community.
00:53:48.980They were designed for one purpose, and that is to kill people using maximum lethal force in the shortest period of time.
00:53:56.220These guns have no place in our community, but Justin Schuero has absolutely no issue whatsoever hanging around four people everywhere he walks that have two of those in their pockets, because he knows that's how he defend himself.
00:54:14.720And if you make them illegal, only the buybacks are going to have – that's the issue.
00:54:17.740I know in Canada, we're not living in a culture initially in the East Coast that is used to living with guns.
00:54:26.280But when you really think about it, if someone comes in a bank and has a gun and wants to steal the bank or wants to shoot people in the bank, if he comes in a bank, he's the only one with a gun.
00:54:35.800Everyone's going to submit to what he's saying.
00:54:38.000If he comes in a bank, he gets a gun out, and you live in somewhere like Texas where everyone has guns.
00:54:42.700You go in a bank, you get your gun, you've got 50 guns pointing at you around you.
00:54:50.960They're not realizing their own hypocrisy, saying that guns have absolutely no purpose in our life when they're walking with people that have some in their pockets every day.
00:55:02.400Well, I mean, at the end of the day, what we do know is that I think the Association of Police Chiefs have – or other police chiefs out there across Canada have come out and publicly said,
00:55:12.700look, this weapon ban is irrelevant because the crimes, the vast majority of the crimes are not being completed or executed by legal gun owners.
00:55:27.000So why are you targeting the wrong people and taking legal, registered, PAL-licensed firearms from people?
00:55:35.260And plus, you know, it doesn't even address the issue of gun smuggling at the border.
00:55:39.600I interviewed an NDP MP last summer in June, and I asked him, you know, how is this policy going to affect the gun smuggling?
00:55:48.320How is it going to have an impact on the issue of gun smuggling at the border?
00:55:54.620It'll keep guns away from the good guys.
00:55:57.640It'll make it easier for bad guys to do bad things with guns because they're going to be the only ones that have guns in their hands.
00:56:04.740It's unbelievable that the liberal government is even thinking about policies as atrocious and ridiculous as this.
00:56:12.580Personally, I think they should have just left it alone because we have the PAL course for both restricted and non-restricted weapons.
00:56:20.460And we have a lot of safety mechanisms in place to guarantee, well, not to guarantee, but ensure that a legal firearm owner has it in a vault with trigger guards, separate ammo.
00:56:33.740We have all these precautions in place.
00:56:35.480So why are you targeting the most compliant gun owners in the entire equation?
00:56:40.500And we're not focusing our effort exactly on the borders where a lot of we knew, I called it the summer of the gun a couple of years ago in Toronto.
00:56:50.680It seemed like every two, three days somebody was getting shot.
00:56:53.740The summer before that, because I lived in the GTA in North York, everybody was getting stabbed.
00:56:59.340And then we transitioned to the gun the next summer.
00:57:01.780And now all of a sudden, we're focusing on the wrong kind of gun issue altogether.
00:57:07.240We're targeting legal gun owners that are acting safe and responsibly, and we're not addressing the issue at the border.
00:57:14.200Maybe you should dedicate more resources to the border.
00:57:17.780Yeah, look at the safest states in the United States.
00:57:20.140The safest states, the most dangerous states, the most dangerous cities are the ones with the strictest gun laws in the country.
00:57:27.700If you look at New York and California, Los Angeles, all the cities, Chicago, and you don't understand that strict gun policies that the leftist, idiotic politicians want to implement, both in Canada and the United States, don't work.
00:57:45.420There's an issue where you're just not analyzing well what's happening.
00:57:48.760Sid, what do you have to say to that announcement?
00:58:16.840Whereas if you have people who are registered, people who've done the training, people who actually know how to operate those, I guess you could call them dangerous devices, but that all depends on whose hands they're in.
00:58:25.740Well, then you're the better for it because you have these people with the experience to facilitate, as you mentioned.
00:58:31.220You know, like in Texas, I'm in Alberta, so, you know, we're doing a little better off than Ontario.
00:58:35.440But the more people with guns who are responsibly using them, the better.
00:58:38.340And it is unfortunate to see this grab.
00:58:42.720And a lot of the times, well, let me put it this way.
00:58:46.200There's a gun and there's mass shootings.
00:58:49.540And, you know, there's people who, if they feel so compelled, they'll take their car for the wrong kind of ride and they'll hit, you know, somebody or multiple people.
00:58:58.700If somebody is looking to commit an act of violence against somebody else, they're not going to stop themselves when they say, oh, I can't get a gun.
00:59:07.040I guess I'm just not going to commit the crime.
00:59:11.680They'll find an alternative method if they have made the decision to commit the crime.
00:59:16.240And, you know, let's take this one step even further, too.
00:59:20.340We're not talking about open carry laws or issues in Canada at all.
00:59:25.640We've gone in the opposite direction to open carry, but if you look at Texas and Florida, they're both open carry states.
00:59:32.440And I was down, I did my Krav Maga instructor course in 2015 in Florida, and everybody I was with was carrying a weapon, you know, multiple weapons in the vehicle, all completely legal.
00:59:45.780But what struck me, which was semi-terrifying, was the fact that every single morning before we would train, I would wake up in the morning, I'd watch the news,
00:59:54.180and there'd be a minimum of three homicides by gun violence in Florida.