Rebel News Podcast - BREAKDOWN： Trucker Commission Day 8 ｜ Ft. Danny Bulford

00:00:00.000 You're listening to a release podcast.

00:00:30.000 Oh, hey, excuse me.

00:00:52.440 Good afternoon.

00:00:53.060 Good evening, everybody, depending on what part of the country you're in.

00:00:56.300 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, who is powering my way through a cold.

00:01:00.000 And I'm joined by my friend, William Diaz and Danny Balford.

00:01:06.480 And we are hosting the Rebel News daily live stream.

00:01:10.720 This live stream used to be just hosted at noon Eastern 10 Mountain,

00:01:15.860 where we would talk about the news of the day.

00:01:17.580 But as it turns out, the only news of the day is what's unfolding inside the Public Order

00:01:22.880 Emergencies Commission in Ottawa, what we're calling the Truckers Commission.

00:01:27.040 First off, before we get too far into what exactly we're doing here, how's it going, guys?

00:01:33.220 My husband, well, how are you doing here, Daniel?

00:01:35.280 It's good.

00:01:35.880 I think so far, it's reflecting pretty favorably on us.

00:01:40.240 Yeah, very interesting stuff today as well.

00:01:41.840 Yeah, I probably should have taken a sick day, but no amount of stretchy pants and heated blankets

00:01:50.400 on the couch would take me away from watching Steve Bell get ripped apart by Brendan Miller.

00:01:58.260 I should let everybody know how they at home can get involved in the stream.

00:02:02.600 If you'd like to send us a chat, we'll do our best to read it on there if time permits.

00:02:10.780 If your paid chat is over five bucks and you can do that on Rumble, it's called a Rumble rant on Odyssey.

00:02:19.300 It's called a hyper chat.

00:02:20.780 And unlike the Trudeau colonized media doing their best to polish the turd of the Emergencies Act,

00:02:28.860 we don't take a dime from Justin Trudeau, and I think it shows definitely in our reporting.

00:02:36.180 Now, I'll ask you, Danny, that we have you, what you're seeing at the Emergencies Act Commission

00:02:46.680 with the chaos that's evident with the OPS, was that your experience?

00:02:53.940 You know, when you had what they call the PLT, the Police Liaison Team Unit, doing their best to negotiate

00:03:00.140 to move some trucks and truckers being willing to do that, and then the OPS just moving in and undoing all of that,

00:03:07.800 notably when they started seizing fuel and charging people with mischief for delivering fuel at Coventry, I think it was.

00:03:17.760 What was your experience?

00:03:20.060 Did you feel the chaos that we can all see now?

00:03:25.260 Definitely, yeah.

00:03:26.620 And even on our end of things, like people who were involved in volunteering with the protest,

00:03:33.420 it was very chaotic because it was very last minute, massive in scale, and very little time to plan and prepare.

00:03:40.380 And then I actually don't recall anyone being charged during the fuel seizure at Coventry.

00:03:48.500 I know a couple of people were arrested, but I think they ended up released without charge,

00:03:52.560 which is kind of what I would expect for people that were arrested for mischief, for obstructing enjoyment of property.

00:03:58.720 That's not something I've ever heard of or ever did in my career, was to charge someone for that degree of mischief.

00:04:08.100 Usually a mischief charge would only result after actual property damage had occurred.

00:04:15.000 Now, but I think typically most of these big, large demonstrations are a big event that would happen in Ottawa

00:04:23.880 where there would be multiple police agencies involved, like I used to be involved in, like a Canada Day.

00:04:29.460 They're like, the planning begins for those a year in advance.

00:04:32.540 And so even my own little sniper part of the plan, when I was still doing that job,

00:04:38.000 we would start like months and months in advance.

00:04:41.060 And so this all happened very, very hastily, right, as the convoy was converging on Ottawa.

00:04:46.440 And actually, I actually kind of had a chuckle to myself the other day when OPP Superintendent Abrams

00:04:52.460 said that, you know, he was talking about short timelines and mentioned that he was engaged on January 24th.

00:04:58.600 I kind of laughed because I wasn't engaged in the protest until January 26th.

00:05:02.740 So he actually had more time to prepare than I did.

00:05:05.640 And you guys were still more organized than both the OPP and the OPS.

00:05:08.440 You know, I honestly think, I don't know if you can give us the credit for being organized.

00:05:13.780 I think it was just the, how industrious the working class of Canadians are.

00:05:20.160 Like anytime that there was a problem that we needed, that we were trying to think of a solution to solve,

00:05:25.960 people would just do it.

00:05:27.420 They would just come up with a solution and just get the job done.

00:05:30.340 Like snow removal, they just did it.

00:05:32.860 Garbage collection, they just did it.

00:05:34.800 People just took care of stuff.

00:05:36.120 They just took care of business.

00:05:37.380 Yeah, well, that's the trucker mentality.

00:05:38.860 It is.

00:05:39.360 That's what the truckers do. 1.00

00:05:40.280 But there's some things you said earlier, you talked about property damage,

00:05:42.860 you talked about actual damage that protesters would do or writers would do.

00:05:46.520 For instance, we saw BLM protests.

00:05:48.020 We saw buildings burn on fire, windows being broken.

00:05:51.860 I think from the beginning of the commission, we often talk about psychological so-called alleged damage

00:05:57.160 on the citizens of Ottawa.

00:05:58.940 We also often see that.

00:06:00.300 And just today, Steve, they all talk about how the trucker allegedly,

00:06:04.860 the trucker convoy allegedly traumatized Ottawa citizens living in downtown court.

00:06:09.280 And it seems like, according to his testimony, this is enough for him to want to arrest truckers,

00:06:15.560 to want to make sure we implement the emergencies, that we trample the civil liberties of the truckers.

00:06:20.240 What do you make of that?

00:06:21.720 Well, I think he's using that same inflammatory language that we've seen from elected officials, right,

00:06:28.020 where they keep talking about the violence that was committed against the protesters.

00:06:32.080 And during Brendan Miller's cross-examination, he got Steve Bell to admit that he had no real violence

00:06:38.980 within the threshold of the criminal code definition or the Section 2 of the CSIS Act,

00:06:44.600 which is really the only type of violence that you might have,

00:06:48.360 you might be able to articulate the implementation of the Emergencies Act to prevent or to address.

00:06:54.200 So I thought that was very, that was key, like that was a great job from Brendan Miller.

00:06:59.340 And it validates what my experience was, right?

00:07:02.440 Like we keep hearing all of these attacks on, attacks, allegations of attacks on citizens and ripping masks off

00:07:09.940 and all of these horrible behaviors from the convoy protesters.

00:07:14.360 That certainly was not my experience.

00:07:16.460 I didn't see it.

00:07:17.320 And I was doing perimeter walks around the city of Ottawa late at night, early morning, all the time.

00:07:22.100 And a lot of the people that were helping me and the volunteer side of things, same thing.

00:07:27.160 We weren't seeing that.

00:07:29.220 We weren't experiencing that.

00:07:30.640 And every time I hear those allegations made, I think to myself, okay, well, where's the evidence of that?

00:07:34.880 Because anyone can make a claim.

00:07:36.540 But if you don't back it up with evidence, then it's just your word against ours, right?

00:07:42.900 And in my experience as a police investigator,

00:07:45.720 you almost always have to have some type of corroborating evidence to go with the allegation that's made.

00:07:53.780 And so far, I've seen a complete lack of evidence to support those claims.

00:07:58.660 You know what?

00:07:59.700 I think we skipped ahead of ourselves a little bit here.

00:08:02.100 Because we really have an expert in the house with us.

00:08:05.400 For people who don't know, Danny, why don't you explain some of your background?

00:08:09.640 Because for you to say these things about the police chaos, you come at this with some expertise.

00:08:18.680 Yeah, well, okay.

00:08:19.400 So I was a RCMP officer for roughly 15 years.

00:08:23.040 I spent the first six and a half, almost seven years of my career doing general duty policing up in the Yukon Territory.

00:08:31.620 And then I transferred to Ottawa in 2013, where for the last eight years of my career,

00:08:36.420 I was a full-time sniper observer on the National Division Emergency Response Team.

00:08:43.140 And so, you know, we would do all of the typical things that a tactical unit would be expected to do.

00:08:50.460 Plus, because we were here in Ottawa, in the National Capital Region,

00:08:54.800 one of our primary functions was supporting the protection of the Prime Minister and other VIPs visiting heads of state.

00:09:01.240 And so I've been involved in a number of these huge events that often happen in downtown Ottawa.

00:09:08.960 And actually, I've been heavily involved in the planning of those events as well.

00:09:13.340 Yeah, I was going to say, you would be involved in the planning and preparation for an Emergencies Act level event.

00:09:22.900 So I guess you would be the expert to say that this actually doesn't rise to any of those things.

00:09:28.220 But you said a lot of really interesting things in your first response to us.

00:09:33.280 One of the things I found interesting was the difference between a left-wing and a right-wing protest.

00:09:38.520 A left-wing protest generally brings carnage, destruction, rapes and drug overdoses.

00:09:45.640 And in this right-wing protest, in three weeks, they built a little bit of a society.

00:09:50.160 They had garbage pickup and street cleanups and they were feeding the homeless.

00:09:54.780 And they had, you know, like emergency services almost, you know, when people get hurt.

00:10:02.280 But that's when you have useful people converging on a place and they have useful life skills.

00:10:09.080 But you also noted the lack of evidence for the things that former Interim Chief Bell was saying.

00:10:18.820 And I think that's why it's so important that he keeps redefining what violence means.

00:10:23.260 He referred to violence as, you know, the things that people were feeling emotion-wise and not actually what they were experiencing physically.

00:10:34.640 There was, I tried to quickly write down what he was saying when he was pushed back by Brennan Miller.

00:10:41.860 And he said he was describing the violence that they felt and not the violence that they experienced.

00:10:50.060 He said it was like the perpetual honking, the interactions they had on the street.

00:10:56.500 So just the fact that there were blue-collar people on their street who held different viewpoints, that amounted to violence.

00:11:03.580 And you expect that sort of language from a left-wing career student, but not the guy in charge of policing during the time of an alleged national crisis.

00:11:14.860 Well, on the honking issue in particular, yeah, for sure.

00:11:19.420 The first couple of days, there was a lot of honking.

00:11:21.780 But it's certainly like to say it was incessant 24-7, seven days a week, that's not true.

00:11:26.940 So by four days in, I think, by February 1st, I received my very first complaint from an Ottawa resident about the honking.

00:11:39.380 And even by the time that I spoke to that Ottawa resident, I advised them that the truck captains had already established a honking schedule in respect of the Ottawa citizens because they didn't want to wear out their welcome.

00:11:53.600 And it was, you know, I think it was roughly, if I remember correctly, it started off once on the hour from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m.

00:12:05.020 And I think it got tweaked a little bit from 8 a.m. to 8 p.m.

00:12:07.480 And then there'd be no honking throughout the middle of the night.

00:12:09.880 Now, that's not to say that there may not have been the odd random honk throughout the three weeks outside of that scheduled time.

00:12:18.200 However, the vast majority of the convoy participants and the truck drivers with the big horns prescribed to that because we were all on the same page.

00:12:29.720 Everyone knew that the narrative was going to be completely stacked against us to try and demonize us and make us appear to be the worst type of human being possible.

00:12:39.440 And so everything that the convoy protesters did was like a PR move by design, right?

00:12:46.140 We wanted to make sure we appear completely non-threatening.

00:12:49.320 The message was always peaceful, peaceful, no matter what.

00:12:52.060 That's why there was the bouncy castles and the attempt to make it look like more of a festive atmosphere as opposed to like an aggressive one.

00:13:00.800 The garbage collection, the snow removal, the veterans who stood on guard to provide security for the war memorial,

00:13:07.720 the convoy protesters who tented out in those temperatures 24-7 to guard the Terry Fox statue.

00:13:14.520 Every single thing, every single allegation that was thrown at us, the protesters responded with their own solution to that problem with the desired effect of winning over the hearts and minds of the people who are actually watching it firsthand.

00:13:31.320 And not only did you manage the honking only a couple of days after it started, but then you also had the injunction.

00:13:35.760 Yeah, the injunction came afterward.

00:13:37.200 Yeah, that started with the Zexy League saying that you're not allowed to honk anymore.

00:13:40.720 So there was really no honking 24-7.

00:13:43.580 No, that's completely false.

00:13:45.440 Yeah.

00:13:45.880 You know, some of the things that Steve Bell used, he said there was, he said there were hate or bias crimes, but, and he also said assaultive behavior and a sense that residents couldn't leave their houses.

00:14:02.760 Well, somebody else's agoraphobia is not really a civil liberties, just like a justification to strip so many people of their civil liberties and seize their bank accounts because a lot of people are on a little bit too much CBC and have too much anxiety.

00:14:16.760 But the hate and bias crimes, that's actually a thing.

00:14:21.740 And unfortunately, he has no evidence to back that up because Brendan Miller just absolutely destroyed him when he impugned him with his own crime statistics.

00:14:33.960 The first, and it was interesting because Brendan Miller was playing like 4D chess and I was just reading documents.

00:14:39.720 Um, so he went through the initial, like, uh, amount of actual charges that stuck, um, between January 27th and February 13th.

00:14:51.760 So the day before the invocation of the Emergencies Act, 16 criminal charges stemming from the convoy.

00:14:58.640 At one point, I bet a hundred thousand people had converged on the city and 16 charges.

00:15:04.720 That was it.

00:15:05.700 And as it turns out, the majority of those were for mischief, for delivering firewood and the like.

00:15:12.300 Um, but it was funny because Steve Bell said, oh, but you know what?

00:15:18.960 There's a better document with a better breakdown.

00:15:21.280 So Miller goes, yeah, I got it.

00:15:22.980 And tries to show it to him.

00:15:24.520 And then the OPS lawyer objects, which was pretty funny.

00:15:29.320 Okay, can we show part of the, sure.

00:15:33.000 I just want to go through the breakdown though.

00:15:34.740 So as, as the breakdown was, the secondary document that OPS said was better, but then they didn't want to show it.

00:15:41.820 Um, there were no hate crimes during the entire convoy.

00:15:47.780 There were no charges of uttering threats to damage property.

00:15:50.600 In total, there were five violent offenses charged between January 28th and February 13th.

00:15:55.600 So four charges for assault.

00:15:59.300 There were days when no one was charged whatsoever.

00:16:01.720 And just one assault with a weapon charge.

00:16:04.060 And as you know, that can be anything.

00:16:05.480 It doesn't have to be a firearm.

00:16:07.740 I have some information on that actually, which was spoken about at one of the press conferences that I did with Tom Quiggin during the convoy.

00:16:17.980 Where some of those offenses that are related to the protest were actually people who were targeting the protest.

00:16:26.160 So one, one, uh, Ottawa resident who is well known to police, he's a police regular, uh, he was charged with carrying weapons in a public place.

00:16:34.340 So someone's weapons charges is not interesting, but there, and of course the media wrote about it, but there was no correction made by the police or by the media after the fact when, when, and I had actually shared some of his social media posts with the Ottawa, with the police liaison saying, Hey, look out for this guy.

00:16:50.800 He's talking about like harming people and harming the convoy.

00:16:55.080 And then, uh, the assault with a weapon.

00:16:57.740 I don't know for certain, but not too long into the convoy, there was a female counter protester, I guess you could call, um, that used, was walking past people who were preparing food on the side of the street and used OC spray, like pepper spray on some of the convoy protesters. 0.99

00:17:16.040 And the Ottawa police just happened to be right there and ended up arresting her and taking her away.

00:17:20.800 And then there was another, uh, report of an, a local Ottawa resident who had smashed the window, I believe at a shopper's drug mart.

00:17:30.080 And I believe it was actually called into the police by one of the truckers.

00:17:34.620 So even though these, they, they claim that all these charges are related to the protest, it may be related, but it doesn't mean that offenses were committed by convoy protesters, right?

00:17:46.820 Yeah, that's interesting.

00:17:48.080 That's just like a play on words.

00:17:49.540 Yeah, I think that's interesting because it's just like the so-called arson that was attributed to the convoy and then it wasn't all of a sudden, but that lie got all the way around the world before the truth put its pants on.

00:18:02.240 And I might be the only person who actually reads through the evidentiary documents that are submitted to the, uh, commission that, that, that, that, you know, that they refer back to and you can sort of see them scroll past interesting things.

00:18:17.680 So I go back and look at those documents and as it turns out, that arson was so deadly that it was never actually reported to police until the police saw the social media postings on the internet because they reported it to Twitter and they didn't actually report it.

00:18:34.080 And so the police went on their own to investigate wondering why nobody had bothered to report this deadly, deadly art, I guess, because it didn't fit the narrative.

00:18:43.180 And I also make one more point about the hate crime, you know, that there, that was alluded to by deputy chief bell.

00:18:50.580 However, then his own crime statistics proved that there was no charges laid regarding any of those offenses.

00:18:56.140 However, I am aware that there was a hate crime investigation by the Ottawa police due to a hate crime that was committed against the Vanier community bikers church during the duration of during the time that the convoy was in town.

00:19:09.420 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just, just, just before you continue, Sheila, because we've been talking for a little while,

00:19:14.040 I think some of the viewers didn't necessarily watch the commission.

00:19:16.740 So would it be possible to show,

00:19:19.040 we'll show one of the clips from Brendan Miller having the interaction with Steve Bell from this afternoon.

00:19:27.420 Perfect.

00:19:29.700 Morris already, you sort of touched on that.

00:19:31.980 And he had stated that the lack of violence in Ottawa during the protest was actually shocking.

00:19:37.160 I don't, I don't recall that statement.

00:19:41.160 All right.

00:19:41.840 So is it fair to say that when you use the phrase violence,

00:19:44.540 you're not actually describing any form of physical assaults, are you?

00:19:47.840 I'm, I'm, well, physical assaults do contribute to what I'm describing.

00:19:52.900 I was specifically describing the violence that our community felt as a result of the culmination of actions that the occupiers engaged in.

00:20:02.240 So the violence that they felt, not actual violence.

00:20:05.680 Is that what you're saying?

00:20:06.620 That is correct.

00:20:07.780 Not, not the criminal code definition of violence,

00:20:10.240 but the violence that they felt by having an incessant horn splared.

00:20:14.000 Right.

00:20:14.300 And not having trucks run 24 seven a day.

00:20:17.660 Right.

00:20:17.860 By having people intimidate them and follow them.

00:20:20.780 And by having people rip masks off their head,

00:20:23.540 by feeling sheltered in their homes.

00:20:25.620 Well, I, thank you.

00:20:26.800 I understand what you mean,

00:20:27.740 but you're not talking about violence under section two of the CSIS Act, are you?

00:20:32.680 No, I'm not.

00:20:33.740 Thanks.

00:20:34.100 And he used, he used the same arguments, the mask getting ripped off on the face of the protesters.

00:20:42.760 That's actual violence.

00:20:43.700 That's the same argument that Jim Watson did.

00:20:45.240 Yeah.

00:20:45.340 Yeah, but that's actual violence.

00:20:46.540 Where's the charge for that?

00:20:47.780 If that actually happened, where are those people to be charged?

00:20:50.660 And everything else, he had just admitted that it has nothing to do with actual violence,

00:20:55.200 according to, to, to your own laws.

00:20:57.680 So, I mean, thank you for that, Steve Bell.

00:21:00.480 Well, I mean, and I think like the vast majority of us who were here would never condone anyone

00:21:06.060 ripping someone else's mask off their face or any kind of behavior like that.

00:21:09.420 But I've heard that claim over and over again.

00:21:11.720 And I have yet to see any compelling evidence that that actually occurred.

00:21:15.320 Or even an arrest, even an arrest related to the incident.

00:21:17.900 Yeah, there are some other crazy things that he said, too, that he, you know, that he couldn't

00:21:26.980 even, he keeps wanting to try to insist that the Emergencies Act was necessary.

00:21:34.120 He seems to be the only one who's sort of playing that political side of it.

00:21:37.720 The other one said, yeah, it would have resolved on its own.

00:21:39.860 It was kind of nice to have.

00:21:42.080 It sped things up, but it wasn't necessary.

00:21:45.620 He's trying to play fast and loose saying, you know, it gave us that firm operational footing

00:21:50.860 to create the exclusion zone, the red zone, as they called it.

00:21:55.340 But from what I understand, they had the tools to do that under existing Ontario law.

00:22:00.880 Yeah.

00:22:01.020 And so my experience with big events, like let's say the G20 summit that happened in Toronto back

00:22:08.640 in 2010, which did involve like some serious property damage and burning of police cars

00:22:14.340 during the riots, they had a controlled access zone established before that summit occurred.

00:22:19.980 And they usually do before most summits do.

00:22:23.480 And there was, I don't know why you would require an Emergencies Act to establish a red 0.97

00:22:30.300 zone when they established controlled access zones on a regular basis without invoking an

00:22:35.400 Emergencies Act.

00:22:36.600 Yeah.

00:22:37.340 Yeah.

00:22:37.900 I think I remember, I think it was the G20, they called it the free speech zone, but you

00:22:42.520 could only like have your little free speech in like one area, laughable.

00:22:48.180 I also noticed that Brenda Luckey, RCMP commissioner featured prominently in a few things here.

00:22:54.460 For example, there's a, there's an email between herself and public safety where she is telling

00:23:01.840 them that she said, that said, I'm of the view that we have not exhausted all available tools

00:23:09.180 that are readily available through the existing legislation.

00:23:11.460 There are instances where charges can be laid under existing authorities for various criminal

00:23:17.080 code offenses occurring right now in the context of the protest.

00:23:20.180 The Ontario Provincial Emergencies Act just enacted will also help in providing additional deterrent

00:23:26.420 tools to our existing toolbox.

00:23:28.740 These existing tools are considered in our existing plans and we used in due course as

00:23:33.780 necessary.

00:23:34.640 That's what she says on February 13th to the public safety ministry.

00:23:40.180 That's pretty damning because that, that hangs it around the neck of the RCMP.

00:23:45.780 Um, but also Mendocino, his ministry knew that there was plenty of things they could be doing

00:23:51.740 that they weren't doing.

00:23:53.080 And instead he just went, I mean, he hit the nuclear button.

00:23:56.780 Um, yeah, and even, even, even Deputy Chief Bell did finally under cross-examination from, uh,

00:24:06.920 Brendan Miller did and see that there was existing legislation or existing tools that they could

00:24:13.760 have used prior to, um, requiring the Emergencies Act.

00:24:19.920 Yeah.

00:24:20.600 There were other things too, like just, if you read these emails back and forth, um, um,

00:24:26.780 I mean, just, you guys were willing to move trucks.

00:24:31.720 You were trying to move trucks.

00:24:32.800 You know, you're sort of limited.

00:24:33.980 They don't, they don't have enough cops to help you move trucks because the OPP were dealing

00:24:39.880 with Windsor.

00:24:41.040 You can see that in a policing staffing up numbers.

00:24:44.860 Once Windsor resolved, OPP, uh, deployed to Ottawa, it had nothing to do with the Emergencies

00:24:51.340 Act.

00:24:51.640 But, but there were times in here where you could see that you guys were trying to move

00:24:56.360 trucks, but then they said, don't move them there because the senators will have to walk 1.00

00:25:02.400 past them.

00:25:03.840 So, you know, it was just like, you know, like you guys were doing your best.

00:25:08.780 It sounds like to alleviate the pressure, the violence, if you ask Steve Bell on the local

00:25:16.980 residents, but the police weren't being accommodated and they were sort of trying to spare the well-kept

00:25:22.460 senators, the ugliness of it all.

00:25:25.540 Well, and, uh, one other thing that Deputy Chief Bell said in his testimony that kind of

00:25:30.940 peaked my ears and, but it's consistent with what we've heard from other police witnesses so far

00:25:35.400 is he kept saying that the Emergencies Act provided this stable framework, uh, for what

00:25:41.700 they're to basically execute their plan.

00:25:44.180 But prior to that earlier in his testimony, he was using that same language and he said

00:25:49.000 something about to clarify or clearly communicate to our members what authority they were acting

00:25:55.800 under.

00:25:56.140 And so I think there's been a lot of discussion back and forth between the police witnesses

00:26:01.900 prior to, uh, Steve Bell about how there was a lot of questioning amongst police, especially

00:26:09.560 for the, the fuel seizure at Coventry road as to what lawful authority they were, they were

00:26:14.960 about to conduct an enforcement action under.

00:26:17.200 And there was definitely some, some contention and some debate within the police services about

00:26:22.300 their lawful authority to do what they did.

00:26:25.180 And to me, my impression, which seems to have been confirmed by, I think, uh, I can't remember

00:26:31.840 if it was chief superintendent retired party or superintendent Abrams from the OPP.

00:26:36.920 I can't remember which one of them said that, um, it was more like the political masters or

00:26:41.660 maybe that was chief slowly's notes, but they were more, it seemed like it was probably more

00:26:46.600 of an action that was influenced by, I would say, Ottawa city hall.

00:26:51.080 I would presume Ottawa city hall to like show like, uh, the residents, the angry residents,

00:26:55.960 like a quick win of sorts.

00:26:58.780 You know what that came out in the testimony of the, um, hyper anxious city councilors,

00:27:06.300 Matthew Fleury and Catherine McKinney.

00:27:08.080 They said that they wanted to pass, uh, bylaws, even though bylaws couldn't, the bylaw officers

00:27:15.120 were told by the police don't enforce in the red zone, or if it's convoy related, you don't

00:27:21.620 enforce, we'll come in and do it. 1.00

00:27:23.660 So they said they wanted to bring in additional bylaws.

00:27:27.600 They said, give us your top three bylaws for us to pass, to make it look like we're doing

00:27:32.660 something because they were willing to bring in bylaws.

00:27:35.700 Nobody could enforce just for the perception of usefulness for political optics.

00:27:42.720 Yeah.

00:27:43.620 Yeah.

00:27:43.820 That's exactly it.

00:27:45.420 Um, I think it was Abrams, um, who said that it was, uh, I forgot what I was going to say.

00:27:55.200 There was, he was talking about, um, I think the, uh, the paranoia of chief slowly.

00:28:05.020 He seemed really paranoid that people in the ministry wrote to get him.

00:28:09.020 He thought the OPP were acting against him.

00:28:11.980 Um, he, it just revealed not only the chaos and the chaos came from the top down all along.

00:28:17.440 I thought maybe slowly is maybe one of the, the not truly bad guys, not to say that he was

00:28:22.540 good, but maybe not that he was great.

00:28:24.220 Um, but, uh, no, I don't think there are any good guys in here.

00:28:28.800 I keep describing it as that Spider-Man meme where they're all just like dressed the same

00:28:32.780 and pointing at each other.

00:28:33.740 No, you're the bad guy.

00:28:34.580 You know, no, they're literally all the bad guy here.

00:28:37.400 Mm-hmm.

00:28:41.420 Um, but you could see the reiteration of the, uh, political narrative when Brenda Lucky, 0.65

00:28:48.700 sorry, I'm reading from my phone.

00:28:49.840 Um, she said in a communication with, um, OPS that they need to consider other treading

00:28:59.220 narratives.

00:29:00.320 For example, if this was BLM, would policing be so hands-off? 0.97

00:29:06.000 Is this woman crazy? 1.00

00:29:07.580 You couldn't get more hands-off than the people dealing with BLM. 0.86

00:29:11.220 Um, she said, we think of the protest, politicians think of the impacts on people.

00:29:15.880 Um, and she said that we need to take a more measured approach, but, um, you could tell

00:29:21.480 that she was thinking about the political optics of this.

00:29:24.820 Um, and it sounds like she wanted more enforcement, but not necessarily the emergencies act.

00:29:32.600 Yeah, I would, I would agree with that assessment.

00:29:34.820 That's what, that was my interpretation of what she was writing as, or, uh, what she had

00:29:38.760 communicated as well.

00:29:43.460 Um, sorry, I'm just, uh, going through my notes here.

00:29:48.000 Um, do we have another, sorry, go ahead.

00:29:50.980 I just saw on that, that post that you just had up on the screen there about the cops taking

00:29:55.900 a knee.

00:29:57.520 Um, I was at, I was doing overwatch for the ground people during the BLM protest here in

00:30:04.940 Ottawa, and they were, they were intimidated into taking a knee.

00:30:10.040 They were having like people like a lot, huge crowds of people, right.

00:30:13.360 It was a massive crowd of people were like, just yelling at these handful of poorly equipped

00:30:19.940 officers on the ground in front of the American embassy and throwing items at them, specifically

00:30:25.280 like bottles of like water bottles until I think all but one of them, if I remember correctly,

00:30:32.520 all but one of them took a knee in basically they were demanded to take a knee in submission.

00:30:38.960 And you, you, you didn't see that from the convoy protests.

00:30:42.920 That's for sure.

00:30:43.960 I never.

00:30:44.620 Now I remember, now I remember what I was going to say.

00:30:48.100 Um, it was the concerns from Abrams about his officers being involved in illegal arrests.

00:30:55.280 Um, he, he was, he called them snatch and grabs, um, which is like narco state stuff.

00:31:05.440 And he said that his OPP officers, this is what slowly wanted to do.

00:31:10.580 And he said, forget it.

00:31:12.660 No OPP officer is going to be involved in that.

00:31:15.460 And he wanted to grab the high profile protest organizers and influencers.

00:31:20.720 So I guess based on your social media account, maybe, um, wanted to grab them.

00:31:26.580 Um, and there's some evidence that Brendan Miller alluded to from some people involved in the

00:31:33.460 protest that they were snatched and grabbed.

00:31:37.060 And they were, he described it as kidnapping because they were not charged.

00:31:41.900 They were pulled into the protest and driven to the outskirts of town and dropped off in

00:31:47.140 a parking lot at minus 30 without a building or a phone.

00:31:51.960 Nobody knew where they were.

00:31:53.600 They didn't know where they were, where they were dumped there.

00:31:55.720 And that's how people end up dead, if I recall correctly, from an incident in Saskatchewan

00:32:00.020 about 10 years ago.

00:32:01.320 Yeah.

00:32:01.820 The Saskatoon police service.

00:32:04.080 Yeah.

00:32:04.340 And that's the kind of thing that Abrams was really concerned that his guys were not going

00:32:08.160 to be involved in, but that was what slowly and chief bell were doing.

00:32:13.260 Now, I do think, uh, most of those arrests happened during the major mobilization where they

00:32:19.560 were dismantling the convoy on the 18th and the 19th.

00:32:22.120 But I have, I have spoken directly to people that that happened to, they were driven out

00:32:27.020 to an industrial area and dropped off and just had to make their own way back to some

00:32:32.400 degree of shelter or reconnect with people on their, all on their own.

00:32:38.900 That's as you can, you would know better than me.

00:32:42.460 I guess it was the Saskatoon RCMP or was it the municipal police that they used to do

00:32:47.920 that and somebody ended up dead.

00:32:50.440 Yeah.

00:32:50.880 It was the, I'm pretty sure it was Saskatoon police service.

00:32:53.880 And yeah, that was, that was something that was discussed in my former career, especially

00:32:58.800 working up North where winters could get quite bitter.

00:33:02.300 Like there was often times where people would deliberately try to get arrested so that they

00:33:08.100 would have a warm place to sleep for the night.

00:33:10.580 Yeah.

00:33:11.360 No, it's very, very interesting to hear.

00:33:13.980 You know what, Sheila?

00:33:14.500 I can see Keith Wilson, Tamara Leach's lawyer that entered the studio with us.

00:33:19.600 So I guess we'll, we'll throw to a quick ad and we'll be able to switch to guests and

00:33:23.420 have him on.

00:33:24.140 Yes.

00:33:24.760 Let's thank Danny before he goes though.

00:33:26.780 Thanks Danny for your expertise.

00:33:27.860 Thank you.

00:33:28.280 Thank you so much.

00:33:29.160 Always a pleasure.

00:33:30.660 Thank you.

00:33:31.140 We'll have you back soon.

00:33:32.320 Thank you.

00:33:37.600 Hey folks, from October 13th to November 25th, we are here in Ottawa for the Emergencies

00:33:42.460 Act Inquiry organized by the Public Order Emergency Commission.

00:33:45.420 But why, why the Emergencies Act Inquiry?

00:33:47.860 Well, because during the Freedom Convoy back in February, Justin Trudeau used a never invoked

00:33:52.740 before Emergencies Act to basically seize protesters' bank accounts, seize protesters' money,

00:33:58.020 seize their assets, trample their civil liberties.

00:34:00.660 So we're here this month for the next month and a half to figure out if the way the government

00:34:04.780 acted was lawful and was appropriate.

00:34:07.540 So we are here to hold the government accountable, but we need your help.

00:34:10.220 We are here to cover it for you because everyone else here is mainstream media.

00:34:13.200 So if you want to help us cover it, if you want to help us bring you the other side of

00:34:16.780 the story, factual, actual news, go to truckercommission.com and consider making a donation.

00:34:22.260 Thursday in Ottawa, the Public Order Emergencies Commission kicked off.

00:34:27.020 It's an inquiry into the actions of the government, or at least it's supposed to be.

00:34:31.220 The inquiry is allegedly meant to examine whether or not the government was justified in invoking

00:34:36.880 an anti-terrorism law called the Emergencies Act to euthanize peaceful anti-COVID mandate

00:34:41.900 protests taking place in the nation's capital, but also in other locations across the country.

00:34:46.860 Now the convoy to Ottawa spent nearly four weeks completely peacefully demonstrating against

00:34:56.820 lockdowns and vaccine passports.

00:34:58.960 It evolved into a nearly month-long street party replete with bouncy castles, hot tubs,

00:35:04.040 street hockey, concerts, and community outreach efforts like soup kitchens and food for the

00:35:09.000 homeless.

00:35:09.820 Rebel News, as we were for the convoy to Ottawa, will be there on the ground in Ottawa to cover

00:35:15.240 the commission from the beginning to the end because you just cannot trust the mainstream

00:35:19.780 media.

00:35:20.460 And in fact, that's what today's report is about.

00:35:24.280 We've rented an Airbnb in Ottawa where we're sending a rotating cast of journalists to report

00:35:29.260 on the public order emergency inquiry.

00:35:31.960 Now you can help support our efforts there at truckercommission.com.

00:35:35.840 The mainstream media's reporting about the alleged foreign nature of the convoy funding

00:35:41.120 was cited as a reason the Liberals invoked the Emergencies Act to arrest, detain, and

00:35:46.540 seize the property, bank accounts, and assets of anti-Trudeau demonstrators.

00:35:50.300 Oh, hey, Sheila.

00:35:54.080 Oh, hi.

00:35:54.980 Sorry.

00:35:55.800 I'm back again.

00:35:57.180 Hi, Keith.

00:35:58.280 Thanks for joining us.

00:36:00.200 I'm very, first of all, I'm very sorry that you're going to have to listen to me croak

00:36:03.420 my way through this.

00:36:04.720 But I wanted to ask you, we heard some crazy things today that Brennan Miller alluded to

00:36:11.940 that we'll hear more of.

00:36:13.360 And one of the things was the snatch and grabs that Superintendent of the OPP Abrams mentioned

00:36:20.820 earlier, where protesters were taken by police, OPS it sounds like, to the outskirts of town

00:36:28.880 when it's bitterly cold, basically kidnapped, as Brennan Miller said, and then just dumped

00:36:34.060 out there with no phone, no shelter, and no way to get back, or no way to get help, no way

00:36:39.140 to let anybody know where they are.

00:36:40.980 What do you know about this?

00:36:43.360 Well, it's deeply disturbing.

00:36:45.980 I spent part of the day actually reviewing the witness statements from a number of these

00:36:52.200 people.

00:36:53.520 One of the people who we've asked to have the right to testify is a mom in her 30s. 1.00

00:37:00.860 And she had gone to Ottawa to protest.

00:37:03.820 She has an interesting story as to why she went there.

00:37:06.160 She's got young kids.

00:37:07.800 And someone was handing out copies of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

00:37:11.320 And she approached the police line with the big goons in their green with no badges, no

00:37:16.500 identifiers, nothing.

00:37:18.760 And she put the Charter of Rights down on the ground in front of her and she got on her

00:37:22.820 knees and into a submissive position. 0.99

00:37:25.360 And she said to the police, she said, if you advance further, you will literally be trampling

00:37:30.280 on the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

00:37:32.340 They snatched her up, dragged her violently and sucked her into the line. 0.99

00:37:37.680 They closed the line right up when they pull you in.

00:37:40.340 Knead her, put her as she would put her face in the snow, put her arms behind her back and

00:37:46.460 zip tied her, put a rifle in her face. 1.00

00:37:49.740 Oh my God.

00:37:50.820 Then they marched her over and put her in a police line outside, you know, no gloves on,

00:37:57.340 hands tied behind your back, minus 25, not including the wind chill.

00:38:01.360 And it is a damp cold for those of us from Alberta, because I experienced it and it's

00:38:06.640 penetrating.

00:38:07.280 Um, and then waited to get processed was, um, had to wait in another line, taken over, put

00:38:16.680 in the paddy wagon line, put in the back of a paddy wagon, unheated for many hours, no

00:38:23.460 bathroom break, by the way, folks.

00:38:25.720 And then even though she was released in air quotes and not being arrested, she was still

00:38:31.600 detained.

00:38:32.120 That's where the kidnapping comes in and then driven to the outskirts of town.

00:38:36.760 With no services, no building, no phone and kicked out.

00:38:42.260 Of course, her cell phone, like everybody else's was dead because it's the long period of time

00:38:46.520 and it being cold.

00:38:47.820 And it's cold.

00:38:48.200 So this, this happened to likely hundreds.

00:38:53.300 We know dozens and dozens of people.

00:38:55.640 This is our new Canada under Trudeau.

00:38:59.540 Yeah.

00:39:00.480 This is insane that, like I said to Danny Bulford, that's narco state stuff. 0.97

00:39:05.600 Abducting regime protesters, protesters against the government, uh, just disappearing them

00:39:12.960 for hours and then dumping them somewhere.

00:39:15.300 And as I said to Danny, you'd think the police would have learned their lesson after somebody

00:39:19.760 turned up dead in Saskatoon when they did this in the cold.

00:39:23.160 And now they're doing it to moms. 0.94

00:39:24.700 Another thing they were doing to moms that really stuck with me was the intimidation of the parents

00:39:30.540 during this protest.

00:39:32.880 Navigator, uh, just the graciest political firm there ever was.

00:39:38.660 Uh, they, mitts deep in this stuff.

00:39:42.180 They watched the left-wing Twitter mob say, oh my God, those truckers have their kids with 0.94

00:39:48.720 them.

00:39:49.000 So navigator advises the OPP or sorry, the OPS now advises the OPS that our next communication

00:39:58.380 strategy should be intimidating the parents by threat or possible seizure of their children

00:40:06.480 from the convoy.

00:40:08.060 Because apparently blue collar people who don't like Trudeau cannot be good parents.

00:40:12.220 And to their credit, uh, child services had no part in this.

00:40:17.980 Apparently they were blindsided in that press conference and not exactly happy that they

00:40:22.740 were used as a tool to intimidate otherwise good parents, um, at the hands of the OPS.

00:40:29.160 What do you know about that?

00:40:31.320 Well, I know that, that cause I was in the operation centers when that message was coming

00:40:37.020 in and, you know, the extent to which they were being manipulative is remarkable.

00:40:42.220 It's disturbing.

00:40:43.620 Another example of third world tactics, right? 0.97

00:40:47.080 Um, knowingly creating false fear on parent of parents and children and kids to advance

00:40:55.620 your objective of trying to protect the prime minister from his embarrassment for his gross

00:41:01.400 overreach and divot politics of division.

00:41:04.720 So, um, it was highly effective.

00:41:06.880 It created a lot of fear and uncertainty, uh, both within the leadership and on the ground.

00:41:12.220 Of course, these parents had their children with them because they were seeking to fight

00:41:18.080 for the rights of their children, for their charter rights to give them a future.

00:41:22.580 Um, they, again, what's remarkable is each day that unfolds and remember only on day eight

00:41:29.540 of 38 days of evidence, uh, something spectacular comes out to expose how deeply concerned all Canadians

00:41:40.720 should be about the conduct of this government and how far they're willing to go to oppress and

00:41:48.420 intimidate and beat up and kidnap those that seek to challenge the government.

00:41:55.480 Um, uh, we're going to stay on these guys.

00:41:58.440 We've got to keep the truth coming out.

00:42:00.500 It's outrageous.

00:42:02.340 You know, it was one of the most disgraceful things I've ever heard using, um, children

00:42:08.060 against their parents that way, or at least fear of having their children taken away.

00:42:12.940 You think about what it takes to end up in Ottawa.

00:42:16.580 These are people, I mean, frankly, these are my people.

00:42:19.900 They're from the oil patch.

00:42:21.320 They're truckers, farmers.

00:42:22.420 They just want to work.

00:42:24.320 They want to provide for your family.

00:42:25.680 When you get those people mad enough to drive across the country to protest for weeks, a

00:42:33.760 normal government would have a sober second thought, but not this one.

00:42:37.580 These are people who've had their livelihoods taken away from them.

00:42:41.540 They've got nothing left to lose.

00:42:44.160 They've had their right to travel, their right to visit.

00:42:47.680 They're sick and they're dying.

00:42:48.720 The right to go to funerals stripped away from them.

00:42:51.460 The right to work, the right to provide for their family.

00:42:54.340 All they have left is their children and maybe the truck.

00:42:57.420 And the government was willing to take both.

00:43:00.120 Why?

00:43:00.580 Because they held the wrong political views.

00:43:02.720 Today was just a day that put me a little bit off the rev limiter.

00:43:06.160 And I don't know if it's because I'm sick, but I just didn't have the patience to listen

00:43:09.880 to testimony about my fellow Canadian citizens being abducted by their own government and parents

00:43:15.580 being intimidated because they didn't leave their children behind for weeks in their homes.

00:43:21.460 There was one more.

00:43:22.920 Sorry, go ahead.

00:43:23.640 No, I was just saying that you're absolutely right, Sheila.

00:43:27.020 All of these things happened.

00:43:28.220 We saw people getting thrown out of the police cars kilometers away from Ottawa because that

00:43:33.460 was the way they were arrested.

00:43:34.400 We saw, as you were just mentioning, the story of this 30-year-old mother that was brought

00:43:38.160 into the police line.

00:43:39.020 But the witnesses decided to focus on microaggressions, on alleged threats of violence, psychological

00:43:48.580 phantom honking.

00:43:50.060 They decided to focus on these little things instead of focusing on the actual violence

00:43:55.900 that took place from the police, from the government during the Freedom Convoy.

00:44:00.520 Uber Eats.

00:44:01.400 Yeah, right.

00:44:01.940 Uber Eats wasn't able to operate properly in town.

00:44:04.940 But Sheila, what do parents love second to their children, their pets?

00:44:15.560 And guess what else they announced?

00:44:18.120 They announced that the conditions were unsafe and inhumane for any pets that were in the trucks.

00:44:23.660 Many truckers have small dogs and medium-sized dogs.

00:44:27.020 They're their companions.

00:44:27.780 And so they were threatening that they were going to take away, the Humane Society was

00:44:32.620 going to come in, they said.

00:44:33.780 And again, it was Navigator that came up with this, that they were going to, if you didn't

00:44:40.340 have children but you had a pet, they were going to take your pet away.

00:44:44.300 It was this psychological operation that they were launching.

00:44:48.780 Rather than just trying to deal with the issue.

00:44:50.680 You want to talk about psychological terror.

00:44:54.560 You know, I listen to people complain about idling trucks.

00:44:58.060 It's psychologically terrorizing to parents to threaten to strip away their children.

00:45:03.260 Or a trucker whose only companion on the road is this dog because he held the wrong political

00:45:09.140 views, because he tried for a moment for once in his life to speak truth to power.

00:45:13.580 I am dying to know.

00:45:15.340 And I'm going to file as soon as I'm done this.

00:45:17.500 I want to know how much Navigator was paid for this sleazy, greasy operation.

00:45:23.460 Who paid them?

00:45:25.240 Was it the city of Ottawa?

00:45:26.720 Was it OPS?

00:45:27.880 Regardless, it's the Ottawa taxpayer.

00:45:30.160 But I want to know how much they were paid to craft this campaign of terror against innocent

00:45:35.880 people.

00:45:37.580 No, totally, totally.

00:45:39.140 Can we show the viewers?

00:45:40.600 Because earlier we showed part of the cross-examination that was done by Brendan Miller with

00:45:47.280 Steve Bell.

00:45:48.360 Can we show part of the testimony given by Steve Bell from the beginning of the day?

00:46:02.120 Good afternoon, Interim Chief Bell.

00:46:04.320 I'm Rob Kittredge, acting for the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms at these hearings.

00:46:08.980 And I have just a few questions for you today.

00:46:12.320 And to show my hand a little bit, they're all geared at, as you say, fleshing out and

00:46:16.020 discussing the necessity of invoking the Emergencies Act.

00:46:20.920 I'd like to show with these questions that under your leadership, the OPS was quite capable

00:46:25.340 of clearing the process, even if the Federal Emergencies Act was never invoked.

00:46:30.120 So, as I understand your testimony today, you identified four ways in which the invocation

00:46:38.300 of the Emergencies Act may have been helpful to police in clearing the protests.

00:46:42.640 First, it streamlined the swearing-in of officers from other jurisdictions.

00:46:47.440 Second, it made it easier to procure towing services.

00:46:51.260 And third, the power to freeze financial accounts may have led some protesters to leave

00:46:56.680 Ottawa voluntarily.

00:46:58.200 Is that a fair characterization of your first three points?

00:47:01.380 Yes, but I don't believe I said may have been helpful.

00:47:03.720 I believe I indicated it was helpful.

00:47:06.260 Which one?

00:47:07.420 The power to freeze?

00:47:08.480 All of them.

00:47:09.020 All of them were helpful.

00:47:10.320 I'll admit a little editorial work on my part there.

00:47:17.100 So, things were a little bit rushed at the end of your time with Commission Council earlier.

00:47:21.560 And I want to make sure that I properly understand your fourth and final point, which was,

00:47:25.420 basically, you said something like, the invocation of the Act created a solid legal framework within

00:47:32.500 which police could do their work.

00:47:33.940 Am I understanding you correctly to think that the framework that you're referring to there

00:47:39.880 meant the power to create an exclusion zone?

00:47:42.700 That is correct.

00:47:43.300 Okay.

00:47:44.520 So, going to your first point, streamlining the swearing-in of officers from other jurisdictions,

00:47:50.800 Acting Deputy Chief Ferguson testified that saved a few hours and some paperwork.

00:47:56.360 Would you agree with that testimony?

00:47:58.360 No.

00:47:59.020 And not to contradict Deputy Chief Ferguson, but as my role of CAO, one of my responsibilities

00:48:04.920 was the processing of those swearing-ins.

00:48:08.700 It is a much more labor-intensive, administrative process that has several checks and balances and

00:48:15.940 layers to it.

00:48:16.640 So, I personally wouldn't describe it in hours.

00:48:20.080 I would describe it in, normally, days.

00:48:22.680 It likely could be streamlined into 24 hours, but there are a lot of people you have to line

00:48:28.860 up to be able to do that.

00:48:30.160 All right.

00:48:30.700 So, in short, though, it could likely have been done in 24 hours.

00:48:36.280 It could likely have been done in 24 hours, but I don't think the benefit was as to when

00:48:42.880 it could get done.

00:48:43.780 I think the benefit was that as soon as a member was boots on the ground in Ottawa, landed in

00:48:50.320 Ottawa, they were operationally ready to be deployed.

00:48:53.260 And that's what we needed as we were bringing members in from across the country.

00:48:59.180 But you don't dispute that those officers could have been sworn in without emergency

00:49:02.640 powers, do you?

00:49:03.700 Oh, no.

00:49:04.020 They absolutely could have been sworn in without it.

00:49:06.440 It just could have created a backlog in length time, particularly with the number of officers

00:49:11.860 we were bringing to the city from all across the country.

00:49:15.800 All right.

00:49:16.460 So, in this regard, though, the invocation of the Emergencies Act was helpful to police,

00:49:20.600 but not necessary, strictly speaking.

00:49:22.660 Is that fair to say?

00:49:23.340 It was helpful to us, yes.

00:49:24.420 All right.

00:49:24.740 Thank you.

00:49:25.040 Helpful, but not necessary.

00:49:29.520 Isn't it interesting?

00:49:31.060 You know, 24 hours is what he needed.

00:49:35.200 Ferguson the other day said it probably saved us a few hours.

00:49:37.760 But, boy, if I recall correctly, the Toronto Mounted Unit was there pretty darn fast to

00:49:44.220 run over a bunch of old ladies in mobility scooters pretty quickly. 1.00

00:49:49.860 Not a lot of lag time there.

00:49:51.400 And we heard from the OPP that actually swearing them in is completely unnecessary because they

00:49:57.680 can enforce criminal code infractions and Highway Traffic Act stuff.

00:50:02.320 So, you know, vehicle infractions, they had the right to do that, and they could have

00:50:08.980 engaged in any sort of arrest for mischief without invoking the Emergencies Act to speed

00:50:14.620 up the process.

00:50:15.340 There was no process involved for them coming.

00:50:17.880 And once the Windsor blockade resolved, they all deployed to Ottawa.

00:50:23.060 You can see it in the numbers of the police being deployed that it just went up by hundreds

00:50:27.880 once the Windsor blockade resolved.

00:50:30.300 Yeah.

00:50:30.420 And, I mean, we have a lawyer right here, but I don't think the Act has the right to

00:50:35.680 be invoked only because it's helpful.

00:50:38.220 I mean, it has to be necessary, no?

00:50:40.080 Convenient.

00:50:40.780 Convenient.

00:50:41.200 Yeah, exactly.

00:50:43.500 I've read the Emergencies Act many times, and I can tell you with great certainty, administrative

00:50:49.680 convenience is not a trigger.

00:50:52.600 And, again, we must remember, and I'm going to keep saying this because it's so important,

00:50:57.060 what's the big hullabaloo about the Emergencies Act?

00:51:00.580 Well, it allows the government to write a blank check over your rights and your bank account

00:51:09.700 and your insurance policies and your RRSPs.

00:51:13.600 It is the most extreme legal power that exists on the books in Canada.

00:51:22.160 That is why it was only previously ever used when it was called the War Measures Act during World War I,

00:51:31.700 World War II, the FLQ crisis, and now an embarrassed, petulant child prime minister who the working class said,

00:51:42.280 enough, we're tired of you taking away the futures from our children and our neighbours and our communities.

00:51:49.220 We're tired of you ignoring the Charter and the rule of law.

00:51:54.400 We're tired of you in your arbitrary divisive politics trying to get re-elected again in your election

00:52:00.820 by pitting one group of Canadians against another, and we're coming to Ottawa to take a stand.

00:52:05.920 This was not a proper basis, just at a pure sort of common sense level, let alone clearly a legal level.

00:52:15.860 They haven't, each day that goes by, at the end of the day, myself and the others on our legal team,

00:52:22.560 we look to one another and we go, well, anything yet?

00:52:26.180 Nope.

00:52:26.920 There's been no evidence from any witness that supports the legal criteria for the invocation of the Emergencies Act.

00:52:35.600 And I think it's really important that the bar is never lowered.

00:52:39.660 That's a really important point to make here, I think,

00:52:42.160 is that this was, this is for a 9-11 event on Canadian soil.

00:52:47.940 This is like, if the Russians invade us, that's when we use this.

00:52:52.320 This isn't for bouncy castles, hot tubs and embarrassing a prime minister with no shame,

00:52:59.260 which, you know, I'm surprised it's possible to embarrass a guy who performs like he does, but here we are.

00:53:04.240 So it's really important that we never lower the bar to just people who inconvenience a couple of thousand Ottawa busybodies,

00:53:15.760 because really that's what this comes down to.

00:53:18.240 Yeah, or that hurt the feeling of the prime, the feelings of the prime minister.

00:53:21.900 I'm sure he would like this to be a crime, hurting his feelings.

00:53:24.660 Poor Justin.

00:53:25.280 Well, and, you know, when the FLQ crisis, the kidnappers were the actual terrorists and not the police.

00:53:31.560 So we've got the inverse going on this time around.

00:53:36.160 I also noticed that today, and I was talking with Danny Bulford about this,

00:53:40.840 is that there were Brett DeLucky features prominently in today's testimony,

00:53:46.740 that she was concerned that they should not take a hands-off approach.

00:53:52.480 She said something so crazy.

00:53:55.540 She said, if this were BLM, what would we be doing?

00:53:59.060 Well, I said, taking a knee.

00:54:00.560 A lot less.

00:54:01.980 A lot less.

00:54:03.140 You wouldn't be arresting them.

00:54:04.920 But even she weighed in.

00:54:07.580 She weighed in in an email with Public Safety on February 13th.

00:54:13.140 And she said there are plenty of more resources to use,

00:54:16.480 including existing Ontario law, than the Emergencies Act.

00:54:19.940 And I think that is a very damning thing,

00:54:23.120 because that was directly with the minister's office, Mendicino's office,

00:54:29.040 directly from the RCMP saying there are still tools in the toolbox to use.

00:54:33.480 We don't need to go nuclear.

00:54:34.960 And then the next day they went nuclear.

00:54:36.520 Well, and it was the prime minister and the cabinet that went nuclear on the Sunday night

00:54:43.040 after they were briefed by their senior security advisor from the Privy Council,

00:54:47.740 which was documents of that were released in early August,

00:54:51.160 that the borders were reopened,

00:54:53.600 and that there had been this breakthrough agreement that I was involved with in Ottawa

00:54:58.080 to move the trucks out of the downtown and concentrate on Wellington

00:55:01.180 and have the rest go out to our base camps.

00:55:03.680 And so there was just no factual basis on the ground.

00:55:07.080 We were de-escalating.

00:55:08.480 And he stopped it.

00:55:09.640 Because, as I said, when I got the phone call,

00:55:12.300 it was interesting when Brendan Miller,

00:55:14.700 because I briefed Brendan on my phone call that I received from Steve Kay,

00:55:18.520 the city manager, on the Wednesday.

00:55:20.400 I provided my Roger cell phone record.

00:55:22.400 So you could see he texted me and he said,

00:55:24.120 Keith, are you available for a call?

00:55:25.800 A few minutes later, you see that he calls me.

00:55:28.300 We speak for 11 minutes.

00:55:30.400 That's a long time.

00:55:31.720 What did we talk about?

00:55:33.560 First of all, he was very, very, he's a very upbeat guy.

00:55:37.940 And his tone was right down bottom.

00:55:40.340 And I was like, uh-oh, what's up?

00:55:42.240 And he's like, I got bad news.

00:55:44.560 We've tried hard.

00:55:46.060 I thought we were going to pull this off.

00:55:48.100 But it looks like it's not going to happen.

00:55:50.420 The new interim chiefs intervened and the federal government's intervened

00:55:53.520 and they're not going to let us do the truck moves.

00:55:55.400 And I remember saying to him, looks to me like the prime minister

00:56:00.640 wants his TMN square moment.

00:56:04.320 And that's exactly what happened.

00:56:07.500 He wanted to retaliate against law-abiding Canadians of every ethnic background,

00:56:14.860 particularly of the working class,

00:56:17.160 the blue-collar, non-laptop civil servant class,

00:56:22.540 for daring to reject his offer of let them eat cake.

00:56:29.860 And so he sent in the goons. 0.77

00:56:33.120 And we just got to keep getting the truth out here.

00:56:36.940 It's completely wrong what's happened.

00:56:38.680 And I have been struck by some of the honesty of, like, that we've talked about this,

00:56:46.940 the head of DOPP's intelligence unit.

00:56:48.980 I mean, it was just remarkable, his truthfulness.

00:56:51.800 And even Steve Kaye was very candid and honest in his testimony,

00:56:55.820 as was the mayor's chief of staff.

00:56:57.820 I didn't think that was going to happen.

00:57:00.120 I was worried that they were all going to tell a story.

00:57:02.960 And we were going to have to work a lot harder and cross to try and get the truth out

00:57:06.960 and work harder with our witnesses.

00:57:08.640 But so far, this is not going well for the government at all.

00:57:13.560 Yeah.

00:57:13.740 And when you talk about honesty, there's just two last things I want to make sure we touch on

00:57:17.220 before we close the live stream.

00:57:18.780 I saw recently GCCF announced that you are calling for the commission to call the head of the CBC,

00:57:27.080 state-funded CBC, as a witness for the emergency that inquired.

00:57:30.860 Can you explain why the GCCF is pushing for that to happen?

00:57:35.540 So a number of the legal teams have joined together,

00:57:38.560 and we've made a formal request under the rules of the inquiry process

00:57:42.760 for the commissioner to use his subpoena powers to compel the attendance of the head of the CBC.

00:57:48.420 Now, of course, she's going to have to come in from out of country 1.00

00:57:51.300 because apparently she spends a long time in New York.

00:57:53.540 She lives in New York, yeah.

00:57:54.920 You know, we'll have to wait for Amanda Pearson to serve her. 1.00

00:57:57.560 But, and it's the same mechanism that was used by the commission today to subpoena Premier Ford

00:58:04.300 because he was refusing to voluntarily attend.

00:58:07.880 But why would we want the head of the CBC to testify?

00:58:11.180 If you look at the Ordering Council constituting this inquiry and giving the commissioner's mandate,

00:58:16.540 one of the things that he's to delve into is misinformation and disinformation.

00:58:22.180 Well, who comes immediately to mind when you start to think about misinformation and disinformation in the media?

00:58:30.540 Like, I mean, the CBC is almost in a class on their own.

00:58:34.140 So, I mean, it's remarkable to me that they government, the federal government,

00:58:41.020 seems to think that anybody who talks about the vaccine being experimental is engaging in misinformation.

00:58:48.020 When I, under oath, got Dr. Larenko, who's the head of Health Canada,

00:58:53.060 that approved the vaccine to admit that it's experimental.

00:58:56.200 So, how can her testimony, under oath, be misinformation?

00:59:00.840 Our view is that we're going to seek to expose the misinformation of the government.

00:59:05.580 They're trying to characterize everything that the convoy was talking about

00:59:09.300 and the motivation for Canadians on cold winter weather to come out to Ottawa.

00:59:13.800 Was driven by misinformation?

00:59:15.720 No.

00:59:16.100 It was driven by an understanding of the truth and their disdain at the misinformation from the state-funded media.

00:59:22.800 The federal government.

00:59:23.920 So, that's why we've sought to subpoena the head of the CBC.

00:59:27.460 So, this show ain't over yet, man.

00:59:30.300 Yeah, it'll be interesting to see if Shaxley comes to the commission.

00:59:33.700 Yeah, I really hope so.

00:59:34.820 And you touched on Doug Ford.

00:59:37.320 I remember one of our first—actually, I think our first interview that we ever did at the commission,

00:59:41.600 I asked you about Doug Ford and what were your thoughts on him not testifying.

00:59:45.720 You told me that you believe he can send his message across through his counsel,

00:59:50.580 through the attorney of Ontario.

00:59:52.440 But you seem right now to want Premier Doug Ford to be testifying in front of the committee.

00:59:58.520 Did you change your mind?

00:59:59.440 Can you explain why you think it's important for Doug Ford to testify?

01:00:02.520 Because the COVID-19 mandates for federal—the Emergencies Act was, you know, handled by the federal government,

01:00:08.480 but I'm sure Doug Ford had a role in that as well.

01:00:11.020 Sure.

01:00:11.440 Well, just to clarify, I know there's so many different groups with so many names at play.

01:00:15.220 It was the CCLA, so Civil Liberties Group and another group, as well as the Ottawa Residence Associations Council that have made the formal request for Doug Ford to be called to testify.

01:00:29.980 In the face of that request, the commission disclosed that they had been making numerous requests for Mr. Premier Ford to testify,

01:00:41.320 and he'd been refusing them.

01:00:43.080 And so as a result, the commission on its own initiative had gone ahead and subpoenaed him.

01:00:48.860 It only came to light when a formal request was made by these other groups.

01:00:54.140 I don't see him, in my view, in our legal team, we don't see him as a significant player.

01:01:00.680 Others do.

01:01:01.880 I think it's helpful for him to have him come.

01:01:04.460 But my understanding as well, and I haven't been able to confirm this independently,

01:01:09.820 but it's been—somebody said to me that apparently he's seeking to challenge the subpoena.

01:01:14.820 Good luck with that.

01:01:16.080 He really doesn't want to appear in front of him.

01:01:17.480 Yeah.

01:01:17.820 Well, why do that?

01:01:19.060 I mean, that was—the prime minister could have done that too, and instead he got out in front of it and said,

01:01:23.500 oh, oh, I'd be happy to testify, welcome the opportunity.

01:01:26.500 That's the smart political move.

01:01:27.960 So why Ford is now going to draw more attention to himself by seeking to fight the subpoena,

01:01:34.760 if my very recent information is accurate, is strange.

01:01:39.260 I guess the cautionary tale for government and politicians is—and the wisdom of those who enacted the current version of the Emergencies Act to require this inquiry.

01:01:52.300 Some people have said, well, if there's no penalty at the end, if there's no consequence, what's the value in it?

01:01:57.600 I think we're seeing the value of it.

01:01:59.300 We're seeing the truth come out slowly in a methodical way, in a pace that's digestible,

01:02:08.420 but each day is literally shocking in terms of the level of incompetence and corruption that's being exposed by these governments.

01:02:16.040 Yeah, and Doug Ford initially said—I don't know if you remember—Doug Ford initially said that he wasn't asked to testify for the Emergencies Act at the beginning,

01:02:24.200 yet we saw today that he was asked on September 19th to testify.

01:02:28.340 Can we show the clip where Ford says that he was never asked to testify for the Emergencies Act inquiry?

01:02:36.780 Do we have that clip?

01:02:38.900 Honestly, I don't know what Doug Ford's going to tell me that Trudeau won't.

01:02:42.600 Those two are in lockstep, so I don't know what new thing he might tell me, but if we do have that clip, that would be great.

01:02:49.980 If not, we should throw to an ad so that Keith can gracefully leave the set without getting tangled up in his headphones.

01:02:59.940 Yeah, we're already past 7 p.m. anyway.

01:03:02.860 Yeah, we'll get to the chats, and then we'll—if we can throw to an ad so that Keith can leave,

01:03:08.520 so we don't have to look at his midsection as he gets up and walks off set,

01:03:13.240 and then we'll finish our chats, if that's okay, Olivia.

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01:04:11.200 Welcome back. I wish I had said some nicer things to Keith before he left.

01:04:15.100 I forgot to thank him for—

01:04:16.700 We'll definitely see him again this week, Sheila, for sure.

01:04:19.060 And look, we've got him right here in the studio. Are we able to see?

01:04:22.600 No, it's not.

01:04:25.560 Is he Yankee?

01:04:26.640 It's probably the loudest member of the Rebel News family.

01:04:31.060 Your voice is gone.

01:04:32.540 Hi, Yankee.

01:04:34.000 Completely, yeah.

01:04:35.820 Completely.

01:04:37.500 But no, so Doug Ford, I think we found that hook, so we should throw it to that Doug Ford, Doug Ford clip.

01:04:45.260 Yes.

01:04:45.480 How come, Premier Ford, you're not testifying at this inquiry?

01:04:49.040 Were you asked? Did you decline?

01:04:52.600 I have not been asked.

01:04:55.020 Again, I want to repeat what I said earlier.

01:04:57.460 We have top officials from the OPP that were running the operation with conjunction with municipal police agencies and the RCMP.

01:05:06.880 You know, our police did an incredible job.

01:05:09.240 They were very peaceful.

01:05:10.520 They moved forward.

01:05:11.120 And I am so proud to stand here and back our police right across this country and right across this province.

01:05:16.680 I'll always support our police.

01:05:18.500 They're professional.

01:05:19.540 They're polite.

01:05:20.220 And they ended up getting the job done.

01:05:23.020 Thank you. 0.98

01:05:23.700 A little liar. 0.74

01:05:27.680 Like I said, there's nothing he's going to tell me that Trudeau won't. 0.96

01:05:32.440 Yeah.

01:05:32.760 Yes.

01:05:33.260 We're inside the same brain.

01:05:35.500 Yeah.

01:05:35.760 Progressive doesn't go with conservative.

01:05:38.280 There are antonyms.

01:05:39.160 It's an oxymoron.

01:05:40.200 Yeah, exactly.

01:05:40.880 It's, you know, it's deeply disappointing.

01:05:44.380 I expect it from Trudeau, but I've come to expect it from Doug Ford.

01:05:49.580 You know, I thought he was the real deal four years ago.

01:05:53.860 I thought he was the brother, but turns out he's not.

01:05:58.460 Yeah.

01:05:59.020 Never judge someone by their siblings for better or for worse.

01:06:02.800 Let that be a lesson that we learned in all of this.

01:06:06.020 Yeah.

01:06:06.260 So, Yankee, what are you going to be doing for the Trucker Commission?

01:06:09.340 Are you just here to hang out in the Airbnb?

01:06:11.840 She's here to hang out and sell our food. 1.00

01:06:13.300 I'm here to hang out.

01:06:13.920 No, I had to come see it in person.

01:06:16.260 I did miss the trucker convoy because I was back home working all day.

01:06:21.020 So, I happened to have been around the area.

01:06:23.980 So, I decided to pop in, see what it is in real life.

01:06:27.840 And mostly my job is behind the scenes, making sure all the clips get up,

01:06:33.400 making sure that everyone could find the clips.

01:06:36.260 And doing the social media in general.

01:06:39.200 So, I was in the area, as I said.

01:06:42.580 So, I popped in to Doug William and wish him a happy birthday.

01:06:46.160 Yeah, exactly.

01:06:47.280 I know Yankee was there last time.

01:06:49.960 And last time he was at the Rebel News RBNB, the RBNB got raided.

01:06:53.900 So, I hope he won't stay here for too long.

01:06:56.640 I don't want him to stand in front of the police like this

01:07:01.420 because they're trying to raid our RBNB once again.

01:07:04.640 Yeah, let's not do that.

01:07:07.320 But we have some updates coming on that.

01:07:10.660 It's part of the lockdowns.

01:07:12.820 The Trucker Commission is part of Trudeau shutting down the lockdowns.

01:07:16.160 But regarding the Airbnb and the lawsuits that we have and the Montreal Police,

01:07:21.160 we'll have an update in the coming weeks on that.

01:07:23.920 Yeah, you guys have been working behind the scenes to bring everybody a more comprehensive story about what has happened then,

01:07:32.800 but also since, and what we're doing about it.

01:07:37.260 Because, yeah, I mean, could you imagine?

01:07:39.440 That was our office.

01:07:41.020 Could you imagine if CBC's office was raided?

01:07:43.560 They'd be losing their minds.

01:07:46.280 Just, I mean, but they'd have to be doing something raid-worthy, right?

01:07:51.140 Like questioning the regime.

01:07:52.920 They don't do that.

01:07:53.980 But could you imagine if any news outlet was raided?

01:07:57.040 Never.

01:07:57.920 Never.

01:07:58.720 Well, they tried with a few different judges to get a warrant for, I believe it was around 10 hours.

01:08:06.460 They couldn't get one.

01:08:07.560 And then they just left.

01:08:09.040 Yeah, they couldn't get one because it's BS.

01:08:13.460 Yeah, because it's BS.

01:08:15.040 Well, while causing a lot of harm in the way, obviously, for freedom and for people individually.

01:08:20.340 But they just left.

01:08:22.180 That's how that night ended.

01:08:23.660 They just left.

01:08:24.160 And I believe nobody has received any tickets outside of David from that night, from the day.

01:08:32.120 Like, they told the media they're going to be sending $6,000 fines to each rebel,

01:08:38.300 which that night, that day, I keep saying night because I was usually out at night.

01:08:44.020 That day, they did not give any tickets so far.

01:08:47.680 Maybe they'll send them in the mail.

01:08:48.820 Who knows?

01:08:49.560 Because I did receive tickets in the mail almost a year later. 0.86

01:08:54.360 Ridiculous. 0.56

01:08:54.980 But I did. 0.98

01:08:55.440 Yeah.

01:08:55.920 Yeah.

01:08:56.200 Well, all right.

01:08:57.340 Do you have any chats from today's live stream to go back to what happened in Ottawa?

01:09:02.320 Yeah, we've got three from Atomot.

01:09:08.000 I think this is Adam Ottawa, a regular viewer on Adam.

01:09:11.320 Oh, Adam.

01:09:12.100 On Adam Ottawa.

01:09:14.340 Anyways, $5 of violence that they felt that was worth $5 to write.

01:09:18.420 Yeah, that's a quote from Chief Bell.

01:09:21.760 Feelings violence.

01:09:22.920 So, like, physical felt, but, like, their feelings were worth.

01:09:26.960 Bad vibes.

01:09:27.900 The wrong vibes, I guess.

01:09:32.580 Yeah.

01:09:33.180 Did he get his badge from a Cracker Jacks box?

01:09:36.340 Apparently, he's a 27-year police officer, so he knows better.

01:09:43.120 But I guess the moral of the story is wokeism can get you at any point in your career.

01:09:47.540 And while we saw some good cops from the OPP, particularly Abrams and Morris, you've got a Bill Blair on your hands here with Steve Bell, where he's more concerned about the politics and being upwardly mobile and perhaps running for the liberals than actually being a good cop for his community.

01:10:04.480 Well, you know, the first part of this chat from Adam, by the way, this Adam Ottawa, thank you for sharing this city with me here in Ottawa.

01:10:14.260 This corrupt city filled with liberals everywhere.

01:10:17.200 Congratulations. 0.78

01:10:18.240 But, yeah, you know, you see the left.

01:10:19.940 The left claims that speech is violence.

01:10:22.440 So, according to them, if your feelings are hurt, if what another person tells you, if you don't agree with that message, it is violence.

01:10:31.100 That's the leftist mantra.

01:10:33.160 So, it's not surprising to see these left-leaning individuals testifying and saying that speech is violence.

01:10:39.620 Okay, the problem with that is we just can't laugh at them.

01:10:42.120 The problem with that, though, is we just can't laugh at them because when they are labeling your speech as violence, what do you do or what are you justified in doing when someone's committing violence against you?

01:10:55.720 And that's self-defense and you can meet violence with violence.

01:11:02.520 And so, that's how somebody gets punched out for having the wrong opinion.

01:11:06.340 Yeah, well, they say punch a Nazi and then they decide everyone is a Nazi, including myself.

01:11:11.700 I've been called a Nazi.

01:11:13.080 I'm very Jewish and a grandson of Holocaust survivors.

01:11:20.060 And it's like, I'm the Nazi.

01:11:22.400 Well, they are. 0.99

01:11:23.900 And then they say punch a Nazi and then they punch you. 0.97

01:11:26.700 And, well, they didn't punch me particularly. 0.98

01:11:28.640 But they punched you at a women's march because you were not a woman. 1.00

01:11:34.600 Supplying with their crazy ideology. 0.99

01:11:39.260 Yeah, Yankee is the infamous Jewish Nazi that everyone's talking about. 1.00

01:11:43.580 All right. 0.97

01:11:44.160 Do we have another chat?

01:11:46.700 Yeah, we do.

01:11:47.680 Yeah.

01:11:48.020 It's funny, though, because most people saying punch Nazis are they've never seen a real Nazi and they've never punched anybody in their whole life.

01:11:55.780 Okay.

01:11:57.160 This one's interesting.

01:11:59.320 Yeah.

01:11:59.540 Yeah.

01:12:00.000 Yeah.

01:12:00.280 I've got stuff to say about this, too.

01:12:01.620 I pointed it out when I saw it.

01:12:05.700 Paul Champ is the lawyer for the Ottawa Busy Bodies.

01:12:08.760 It says tax the rich.

01:12:10.840 Champ doesn't believe in people working hard for the money.

01:12:14.440 Champ is rich.

01:12:16.100 And he's a lawyer for rich people who's happy to make sure that the government cracks down on the rights of the working class. 0.99

01:12:24.520 And this obnoxious weirdo hypocrite's got a tax the rich sticker on his expensive laptop. 0.91

01:12:31.880 Do you think Paul Champ is sending any extra money to the federal government because he is a high income earner as a lawyer for busy bodies? 0.99

01:12:40.720 Of course not.

01:12:41.680 But that's just a – it's a virtue signaling.

01:12:44.420 Tax the rich.

01:12:45.420 Oh, but not me.

01:12:46.940 Not rich like me.

01:12:48.440 Rich like the trucker who makes $100,000 a year but also has to make owner-operator payments on his truck and pay exorbitant fuel taxes.

01:12:57.520 Mm-hmm.

01:12:58.680 You know, Champ is probably the most unprofessional lawyer I've seen as a commissioner.

01:13:02.240 Oh, he gets hands in.

01:13:03.200 Yeah, when you get hands in, when you hit a reporter because he asks questions that you don't like seeing being asked, then you're having this thousands of dollars worth laptop with a –

01:13:17.440 Keep our powder dry.

01:13:19.080 Yeah, with a tax the rich sticker on it.

01:13:23.080 And you wear a great suit with a large tie.

01:13:27.340 You are part of that.

01:13:28.380 You are part of that population that is rich.

01:13:32.120 Yeah, well, again, asking questions are violence.

01:13:36.080 That's why he was allowed to shove you.

01:13:39.420 I don't think it was a punch, but it was more of a – something like that.

01:13:43.920 Big physical punch.

01:13:44.360 No, it wasn't a punch.

01:13:45.100 He chopped you out of the way.

01:13:46.260 Yeah, it wasn't a punch.

01:13:47.280 I don't know the exact video, but I've seen it.

01:13:49.660 He definitely touched you because your words were violence, and that's what he did.

01:13:57.700 Or maybe he denies it.

01:13:59.020 I'm not sure.

01:14:00.340 Yeah.

01:14:01.500 I don't know.

01:14:02.540 Just when they say you're being aggressive, but then they put their hands on you.

01:14:05.580 I'm like, well, I think you have a different definition of aggressive than I do.

01:14:09.420 Yeah, I mean, you don't see Keith Wilson walking around with a I Love the Freedom Convoy sticker on his laptop.

01:14:15.980 You don't see him walking around, even with a political message as a pin.

01:14:19.700 Yeah, but if he did, at least you would know that he lives it.

01:14:24.360 Like, you know, like if Keith said I Love the Freedom, yeah, like he literally – that's his mantra.

01:14:30.500 Yeah, at least he stays professional.

01:14:31.740 But you're the rich guy.

01:14:33.780 At least he stays professional, you know.

01:14:35.540 You're the rich guy not sending any extra money.

01:14:37.080 Yeah.

01:14:37.220 I've watched his line of questioning, and a lot of the times I'm like, what is he talking about?

01:14:44.200 Like, what is his goal with these lines of questioning other than just talking? 0.98

01:14:49.280 Like, it's ridiculous. 0.85

01:14:51.060 I don't know what he's trying to get at even sometimes. 0.95

01:14:54.060 But that's how he questions.

01:14:56.260 I guess he wants to prove that it was literal violence, which nobody knows out there.

01:15:02.320 Everyone is talking about third-party violence.

01:15:04.880 They might have heard from someone else.

01:15:07.260 Well, that was – what's their name?

01:15:12.740 Catherine McKinney.

01:15:13.880 There.

01:15:14.520 We're going to go with they. 1.00

01:15:16.360 But also, no first hand.

01:15:20.100 Sorry.

01:15:20.220 Not me neither.

01:15:21.120 Well, we'll see who wins.

01:15:22.220 I promise not to misgender her.

01:15:24.360 I promise not to misgender her.

01:15:25.520 Okay, not to misgender her.

01:15:27.460 But we'll see who wins tonight.

01:15:29.480 That can come for me.

01:15:31.340 Well, we'll see who wins tonight, the mayoral race.

01:15:35.300 And that will be very interesting to see Ottawa residents feel or not.

01:15:40.660 And what is in for Ottawa if there's another protest that the government doesn't approve of.

01:15:47.340 Because as we spoke about – you guys spoke about earlier – the Ottawa – Steve Bell, the former police – interim police chief, said that the Emergencies Act was a good tool for them to – not necessarily that it was needed, but, you know, it was cool.

01:16:07.000 It worked.

01:16:08.180 You know, removing all your rights apparently worked to – you know, dictators love removing all the rights.

01:16:14.720 It works.

01:16:15.240 You got to – what did they say?

01:16:16.900 You got to break a few eggs to make an omelet?

01:16:19.040 Like, that's what a lot of the testimony that I heard where they're like, well, you know, it was helpful.

01:16:24.140 You know, things would have resolved on their own, but it was good.

01:16:28.400 Like, of course it was good.

01:16:29.180 Yeah, it was good.

01:16:29.700 Like, because you made your life easier and all I can tell is you're lazy.

01:16:33.940 Like, they're taking – they're testifying that some of them were taking like two days off in the middle of this national emergency.

01:16:41.180 I wish.

01:16:41.980 Anyway, let's get to this last one.

01:16:45.420 Of course, it's laziness.

01:16:46.860 Yeah, it's already been 15 minutes past seven.

01:16:49.080 Do you have one last chat?

01:16:52.000 And I have, like, this much voice left in the chat.

01:16:54.840 I actually spoke with Paul Otto Newman, I believe, today on Twitter.

01:17:03.500 They were asking about the – making sure that we announce when the live streams are.

01:17:10.460 So, they're every day at 6 p.m. Eastern time.

01:17:13.340 That's right.

01:17:14.440 6 p.m. Eastern time.

01:17:15.820 So, he says – he gives us five bucks.

01:17:17.520 Thanks very much.

01:17:18.820 We should all be grateful to the truckers in Ottawa and Coots.

01:17:21.600 If it hadn't been for them, we would still likely have Aaron Toole as leader of the Conservative Party.

01:17:26.380 And Daniel Smith wouldn't be Premier of Alberta.

01:17:29.100 Paul, you're so wise.

01:17:30.240 That is 100% true.

01:17:33.500 If not for – well, Jason Kenney's treatment of lockdown resistors.

01:17:38.520 And if not for the truckers at Coots, he would still be in power.

01:17:42.400 And let me tell you, I ran into those truckers from Coots at the United Conservative Party AGM. 0.51

01:17:47.900 And they were there as delegates, as members.

01:17:51.980 And I said, were you guys members?

01:17:55.220 Interesting.

01:17:56.300 When Jason Kenney – when Jason Kenney was trying to arrest you, when he was cracking down on you, telling lies about you.

01:18:02.360 And they said, yeah, we were UCP members then.

01:18:04.900 We were his people that he turned on.

01:18:07.980 Wow.

01:18:09.040 So, then the party turned on him.

01:18:11.340 Careful what you wish for.

01:18:12.360 Yeah, there's a clear reason why Jason Kenney isn't the Premier of Alberta anymore and isn't the leader of the UPC anymore as well.

01:18:22.100 Yes.

01:18:23.520 That's UCP.

01:18:24.840 I think that's the end of the show.

01:18:26.440 Yep.

01:18:27.240 Guys, thanks for letting my horrible voice be in your ears for the last hour and 18 minutes.

01:18:33.880 Thanks so much for your hard work today, William.

01:18:36.880 Yankee, look forward to seeing you do some work in Ottawa.

01:18:40.820 I try.

01:18:41.740 Yeah.

01:18:42.360 That's valuable attention to the Airbnb while you're there.

01:18:46.740 Thanks to everything he does.

01:18:49.160 Yankee never takes a minute off.

01:18:50.600 He makes everything louder in the Airbnb.

01:18:52.440 I make everything louder.

01:18:53.680 That is true.

01:18:55.080 Well, I hope your voice gets better.

01:18:57.320 My mom actually texted me and said I should wish you better health, especially your voice.

01:19:03.680 So, I know she's watching.

01:19:06.520 I know she's watching.

01:19:09.080 Viewers are currently emailing me about my voice.

01:19:11.480 Sheila's dying.

01:19:12.180 Oh, well.

01:19:14.520 Anyway, thanks so much, guys.

01:19:16.360 Thanks to the team behind the scenes.

01:19:18.040 I know you're all working very hard, too.

01:19:19.700 Thanks to everybody who pitched in to keep the lights on.

01:19:22.180 We'll see everybody back here tomorrow, same time.

01:19:24.980 6 Eastern, 4 Mountain, pray to God that it isn't me.

01:19:30.040 Thank you, everybody.

01:19:31.000 We'll see you tomorrow.

01:19:31.900 In your evidence-in-chief, you kept using the word violence regarding protesters, right?

01:19:39.780 Yes.

01:19:40.080 All right.

01:19:40.980 And you've heard the evidence of Superintendent Morris already.

01:19:44.480 You sort of touched on that.

01:19:45.900 And he had stated that the lack of violence in Ottawa during the protest was actually shocking.

01:19:51.060 So, I don't recall that statement.

01:19:54.860 All right.

01:19:55.360 So, is it fair to say that when you use the phrase violence, you're not actually describing any form of physical assaults, are you?

01:20:01.300 Well, physical assaults do contribute to what I'm describing.

01:20:06.820 I was specifically describing the violence that our community felt as a result of the culmination of actions that the occupiers engaged in.

01:20:16.160 So, the violence that they felt, not actual violence.

01:20:19.640 Is that what you're saying?

01:20:20.800 That is correct.

01:20:21.500 Not the criminal code definition of violence, but the violence that they felt by having an incessant horn splared.

01:20:27.860 Right.

01:20:28.220 By having trucks run 24-7 a day.

01:20:31.560 Right.

01:20:31.760 By having people intimidate them and follow them.

01:20:34.700 And by having people rip masks off their head.

01:20:37.460 By feeling sheltered in their homes.

01:20:39.420 Well, thank you.

01:20:40.700 I understand what you mean.

01:20:41.660 But you're not talking about violence under Section 2 of the CSIS Act, are you?

01:20:46.580 No, I'm not.

01:20:47.640 Thanks.

01:20:51.500 Thank you.

Rebel News Podcast - October 25, 2022

BREAKDOWN： Trucker Commission Day 8 ｜ Ft. Danny Bulford

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