BREAKDOWN： Trucker Commission Day 8 ｜ Ft. Danny Bulford
Summary
Rebel News Daily Live Stream from inside the Public Order Emergencies Commission (POCEC) in Ottawa, where we talk to the Truckers Commission about the massive protests that took place on January 26th, 2019 in the streets of the city.
Transcript
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Good evening, everybody, depending on what part of the country you're in.
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I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, who is powering my way through a cold.
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And I'm joined by my friend, William Diaz and Danny Balford.
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And we are hosting the Rebel News daily live stream.
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This live stream used to be just hosted at noon Eastern 10 Mountain,
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But as it turns out, the only news of the day is what's unfolding inside the Public Order
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Emergencies Commission in Ottawa, what we're calling the Truckers Commission.
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First off, before we get too far into what exactly we're doing here, how's it going, guys?
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My husband, well, how are you doing here, Daniel?
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I think so far, it's reflecting pretty favorably on us.
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Yeah, I probably should have taken a sick day, but no amount of stretchy pants and heated blankets
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on the couch would take me away from watching Steve Bell get ripped apart by Brendan Miller.
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I should let everybody know how they at home can get involved in the stream.
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If you'd like to send us a chat, we'll do our best to read it on there if time permits.
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If your paid chat is over five bucks and you can do that on Rumble, it's called a Rumble rant on Odyssey.
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And unlike the Trudeau colonized media doing their best to polish the turd of the Emergencies Act,
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we don't take a dime from Justin Trudeau, and I think it shows definitely in our reporting.
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Now, I'll ask you, Danny, that we have you, what you're seeing at the Emergencies Act Commission
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with the chaos that's evident with the OPS, was that your experience?
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You know, when you had what they call the PLT, the Police Liaison Team Unit, doing their best to negotiate
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to move some trucks and truckers being willing to do that, and then the OPS just moving in and undoing all of that,
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notably when they started seizing fuel and charging people with mischief for delivering fuel at Coventry, I think it was.
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Did you feel the chaos that we can all see now?
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And even on our end of things, like people who were involved in volunteering with the protest,
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it was very chaotic because it was very last minute, massive in scale, and very little time to plan and prepare.
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And then I actually don't recall anyone being charged during the fuel seizure at Coventry.
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I know a couple of people were arrested, but I think they ended up released without charge,
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which is kind of what I would expect for people that were arrested for mischief, for obstructing enjoyment of property.
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That's not something I've ever heard of or ever did in my career, was to charge someone for that degree of mischief.
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Usually a mischief charge would only result after actual property damage had occurred.
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Now, but I think typically most of these big, large demonstrations are a big event that would happen in Ottawa
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where there would be multiple police agencies involved, like I used to be involved in, like a Canada Day.
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They're like, the planning begins for those a year in advance.
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And so even my own little sniper part of the plan, when I was still doing that job,
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we would start like months and months in advance.
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And so this all happened very, very hastily, right, as the convoy was converging on Ottawa.
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And actually, I actually kind of had a chuckle to myself the other day when OPP Superintendent Abrams
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said that, you know, he was talking about short timelines and mentioned that he was engaged on January 24th.
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I kind of laughed because I wasn't engaged in the protest until January 26th.
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So he actually had more time to prepare than I did.
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And you guys were still more organized than both the OPP and the OPS.
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You know, I honestly think, I don't know if you can give us the credit for being organized.
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I think it was just the, how industrious the working class of Canadians are.
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Like anytime that there was a problem that we needed, that we were trying to think of a solution to solve,
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They would just come up with a solution and just get the job done.
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But there's some things you said earlier, you talked about property damage,
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you talked about actual damage that protesters would do or writers would do.
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We saw buildings burn on fire, windows being broken.
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I think from the beginning of the commission, we often talk about psychological so-called alleged damage
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And just today, Steve, they all talk about how the trucker allegedly,
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the trucker convoy allegedly traumatized Ottawa citizens living in downtown court.
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And it seems like, according to his testimony, this is enough for him to want to arrest truckers,
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to want to make sure we implement the emergencies, that we trample the civil liberties of the truckers.
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Well, I think he's using that same inflammatory language that we've seen from elected officials, right,
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where they keep talking about the violence that was committed against the protesters.
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And during Brendan Miller's cross-examination, he got Steve Bell to admit that he had no real violence
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within the threshold of the criminal code definition or the Section 2 of the CSIS Act,
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which is really the only type of violence that you might have,
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you might be able to articulate the implementation of the Emergencies Act to prevent or to address.
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So I thought that was very, that was key, like that was a great job from Brendan Miller.
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And it validates what my experience was, right?
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Like we keep hearing all of these attacks on, attacks, allegations of attacks on citizens and ripping masks off
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and all of these horrible behaviors from the convoy protesters.
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And I was doing perimeter walks around the city of Ottawa late at night, early morning, all the time.
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And a lot of the people that were helping me and the volunteer side of things, same thing.
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And every time I hear those allegations made, I think to myself, okay, well, where's the evidence of that?
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But if you don't back it up with evidence, then it's just your word against ours, right?
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you almost always have to have some type of corroborating evidence to go with the allegation that's made.
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And so far, I've seen a complete lack of evidence to support those claims.
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I think we skipped ahead of ourselves a little bit here.
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Because we really have an expert in the house with us.
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For people who don't know, Danny, why don't you explain some of your background?
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Because for you to say these things about the police chaos, you come at this with some expertise.
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I spent the first six and a half, almost seven years of my career doing general duty policing up in the Yukon Territory.
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And then I transferred to Ottawa in 2013, where for the last eight years of my career,
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I was a full-time sniper observer on the National Division Emergency Response Team.
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And so, you know, we would do all of the typical things that a tactical unit would be expected to do.
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Plus, because we were here in Ottawa, in the National Capital Region,
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one of our primary functions was supporting the protection of the Prime Minister and other VIPs visiting heads of state.
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And so I've been involved in a number of these huge events that often happen in downtown Ottawa.
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And actually, I've been heavily involved in the planning of those events as well.
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Yeah, I was going to say, you would be involved in the planning and preparation for an Emergencies Act level event.
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So I guess you would be the expert to say that this actually doesn't rise to any of those things.
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But you said a lot of really interesting things in your first response to us.
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One of the things I found interesting was the difference between a left-wing and a right-wing protest.
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A left-wing protest generally brings carnage, destruction, rapes and drug overdoses.
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And in this right-wing protest, in three weeks, they built a little bit of a society.
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They had garbage pickup and street cleanups and they were feeding the homeless.
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And they had, you know, like emergency services almost, you know, when people get hurt.
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But that's when you have useful people converging on a place and they have useful life skills.
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But you also noted the lack of evidence for the things that former Interim Chief Bell was saying.
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And I think that's why it's so important that he keeps redefining what violence means.
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He referred to violence as, you know, the things that people were feeling emotion-wise and not actually what they were experiencing physically.
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There was, I tried to quickly write down what he was saying when he was pushed back by Brennan Miller.
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And he said he was describing the violence that they felt and not the violence that they experienced.
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He said it was like the perpetual honking, the interactions they had on the street.
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So just the fact that there were blue-collar people on their street who held different viewpoints, that amounted to violence.
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And you expect that sort of language from a left-wing career student, but not the guy in charge of policing during the time of an alleged national crisis.
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Well, on the honking issue in particular, yeah, for sure.
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The first couple of days, there was a lot of honking.
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But it's certainly like to say it was incessant 24-7, seven days a week, that's not true.
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So by four days in, I think, by February 1st, I received my very first complaint from an Ottawa resident about the honking.
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And even by the time that I spoke to that Ottawa resident, I advised them that the truck captains had already established a honking schedule in respect of the Ottawa citizens because they didn't want to wear out their welcome.
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And it was, you know, I think it was roughly, if I remember correctly, it started off once on the hour from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m.
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And I think it got tweaked a little bit from 8 a.m. to 8 p.m.
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And then there'd be no honking throughout the middle of the night.
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Now, that's not to say that there may not have been the odd random honk throughout the three weeks outside of that scheduled time.
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However, the vast majority of the convoy participants and the truck drivers with the big horns prescribed to that because we were all on the same page.
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Everyone knew that the narrative was going to be completely stacked against us to try and demonize us and make us appear to be the worst type of human being possible.
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And so everything that the convoy protesters did was like a PR move by design, right?
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We wanted to make sure we appear completely non-threatening.
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The message was always peaceful, peaceful, no matter what.
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That's why there was the bouncy castles and the attempt to make it look like more of a festive atmosphere as opposed to like an aggressive one.
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The garbage collection, the snow removal, the veterans who stood on guard to provide security for the war memorial,
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the convoy protesters who tented out in those temperatures 24-7 to guard the Terry Fox statue.
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Every single thing, every single allegation that was thrown at us, the protesters responded with their own solution to that problem with the desired effect of winning over the hearts and minds of the people who are actually watching it firsthand.
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And not only did you manage the honking only a couple of days after it started, but then you also had the injunction.
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Yeah, that started with the Zexy League saying that you're not allowed to honk anymore.
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You know, some of the things that Steve Bell used, he said there was, he said there were hate or bias crimes, but, and he also said assaultive behavior and a sense that residents couldn't leave their houses.
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Well, somebody else's agoraphobia is not really a civil liberties, just like a justification to strip so many people of their civil liberties and seize their bank accounts because a lot of people are on a little bit too much CBC and have too much anxiety.
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But the hate and bias crimes, that's actually a thing.
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And unfortunately, he has no evidence to back that up because Brendan Miller just absolutely destroyed him when he impugned him with his own crime statistics.
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The first, and it was interesting because Brendan Miller was playing like 4D chess and I was just reading documents.
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Um, so he went through the initial, like, uh, amount of actual charges that stuck, um, between January 27th and February 13th.
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So the day before the invocation of the Emergencies Act, 16 criminal charges stemming from the convoy.
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At one point, I bet a hundred thousand people had converged on the city and 16 charges.
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And as it turns out, the majority of those were for mischief, for delivering firewood and the like.
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Um, but it was funny because Steve Bell said, oh, but you know what?
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There's a better document with a better breakdown.
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And then the OPS lawyer objects, which was pretty funny.
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I just want to go through the breakdown though.
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So as, as the breakdown was, the secondary document that OPS said was better, but then they didn't want to show it.
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Um, there were no hate crimes during the entire convoy.
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There were no charges of uttering threats to damage property.
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In total, there were five violent offenses charged between January 28th and February 13th.
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There were days when no one was charged whatsoever.
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I have some information on that actually, which was spoken about at one of the press conferences that I did with Tom Quiggin during the convoy.
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Where some of those offenses that are related to the protest were actually people who were targeting the protest.
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So one, one, uh, Ottawa resident who is well known to police, he's a police regular, uh, he was charged with carrying weapons in a public place.
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So someone's weapons charges is not interesting, but there, and of course the media wrote about it, but there was no correction made by the police or by the media after the fact when, when, and I had actually shared some of his social media posts with the Ottawa, with the police liaison saying, Hey, look out for this guy.
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He's talking about like harming people and harming the convoy.
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I don't know for certain, but not too long into the convoy, there was a female counter protester, I guess you could call, um, that used, was walking past people who were preparing food on the side of the street and used OC spray, like pepper spray on some of the convoy protesters.
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And the Ottawa police just happened to be right there and ended up arresting her and taking her away.
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And then there was another, uh, report of an, a local Ottawa resident who had smashed the window, I believe at a shopper's drug mart.
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And I believe it was actually called into the police by one of the truckers.
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So even though these, they, they claim that all these charges are related to the protest, it may be related, but it doesn't mean that offenses were committed by convoy protesters, right?
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Yeah, I think that's interesting because it's just like the so-called arson that was attributed to the convoy and then it wasn't all of a sudden, but that lie got all the way around the world before the truth put its pants on.
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And I might be the only person who actually reads through the evidentiary documents that are submitted to the, uh, commission that, that, that, that, you know, that they refer back to and you can sort of see them scroll past interesting things.
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So I go back and look at those documents and as it turns out, that arson was so deadly that it was never actually reported to police until the police saw the social media postings on the internet because they reported it to Twitter and they didn't actually report it.
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And so the police went on their own to investigate wondering why nobody had bothered to report this deadly, deadly art, I guess, because it didn't fit the narrative.
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And I also make one more point about the hate crime, you know, that there, that was alluded to by deputy chief bell.
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However, then his own crime statistics proved that there was no charges laid regarding any of those offenses.
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However, I am aware that there was a hate crime investigation by the Ottawa police due to a hate crime that was committed against the Vanier community bikers church during the duration of during the time that the convoy was in town.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just, just, just before you continue, Sheila, because we've been talking for a little while,
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I think some of the viewers didn't necessarily watch the commission.
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we'll show one of the clips from Brendan Miller having the interaction with Steve Bell from this afternoon.
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And he had stated that the lack of violence in Ottawa during the protest was actually shocking.
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So is it fair to say that when you use the phrase violence,
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you're not actually describing any form of physical assaults, are you?
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I'm, I'm, well, physical assaults do contribute to what I'm describing.
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I was specifically describing the violence that our community felt as a result of the culmination of actions that the occupiers engaged in.
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So the violence that they felt, not actual violence.
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Not, not the criminal code definition of violence,
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but the violence that they felt by having an incessant horn splared.
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By having people intimidate them and follow them.
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but you're not talking about violence under section two of the CSIS Act, are you?
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And he used, he used the same arguments, the mask getting ripped off on the face of the protesters.
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If that actually happened, where are those people to be charged?
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And everything else, he had just admitted that it has nothing to do with actual violence,
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Well, I mean, and I think like the vast majority of us who were here would never condone anyone
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ripping someone else's mask off their face or any kind of behavior like that.
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And I have yet to see any compelling evidence that that actually occurred.
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Or even an arrest, even an arrest related to the incident.
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Yeah, there are some other crazy things that he said, too, that he, you know, that he couldn't
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even, he keeps wanting to try to insist that the Emergencies Act was necessary.
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He seems to be the only one who's sort of playing that political side of it.
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The other one said, yeah, it would have resolved on its own.
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He's trying to play fast and loose saying, you know, it gave us that firm operational footing
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to create the exclusion zone, the red zone, as they called it.
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But from what I understand, they had the tools to do that under existing Ontario law.
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And so my experience with big events, like let's say the G20 summit that happened in Toronto back
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in 2010, which did involve like some serious property damage and burning of police cars
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during the riots, they had a controlled access zone established before that summit occurred.
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And there was, I don't know why you would require an Emergencies Act to establish a red
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zone when they established controlled access zones on a regular basis without invoking an
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I think I remember, I think it was the G20, they called it the free speech zone, but you
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could only like have your little free speech in like one area, laughable.
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I also noticed that Brenda Luckey, RCMP commissioner featured prominently in a few things here.
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For example, there's a, there's an email between herself and public safety where she is telling
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them that she said, that said, I'm of the view that we have not exhausted all available tools
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that are readily available through the existing legislation.
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There are instances where charges can be laid under existing authorities for various criminal
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code offenses occurring right now in the context of the protest.
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The Ontario Provincial Emergencies Act just enacted will also help in providing additional deterrent
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These existing tools are considered in our existing plans and we used in due course as
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That's what she says on February 13th to the public safety ministry.
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That's pretty damning because that, that hangs it around the neck of the RCMP.
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Um, but also Mendocino, his ministry knew that there was plenty of things they could be doing
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And instead he just went, I mean, he hit the nuclear button.
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Um, yeah, and even, even, even Deputy Chief Bell did finally under cross-examination from, uh,
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Brendan Miller did and see that there was existing legislation or existing tools that they could
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have used prior to, um, requiring the Emergencies Act.
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There were other things too, like just, if you read these emails back and forth, um, um,
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I mean, just, you guys were willing to move trucks.
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They don't, they don't have enough cops to help you move trucks because the OPP were dealing
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You can see that in a policing staffing up numbers.
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Once Windsor resolved, OPP, uh, deployed to Ottawa, it had nothing to do with the Emergencies
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But, but there were times in here where you could see that you guys were trying to move
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trucks, but then they said, don't move them there because the senators will have to walk
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So, you know, it was just like, you know, like you guys were doing your best.
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It sounds like to alleviate the pressure, the violence, if you ask Steve Bell on the local
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residents, but the police weren't being accommodated and they were sort of trying to spare the well-kept
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Well, and, uh, one other thing that Deputy Chief Bell said in his testimony that kind of
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peaked my ears and, but it's consistent with what we've heard from other police witnesses so far
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is he kept saying that the Emergencies Act provided this stable framework, uh, for what
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But prior to that earlier in his testimony, he was using that same language and he said
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something about to clarify or clearly communicate to our members what authority they were acting
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And so I think there's been a lot of discussion back and forth between the police witnesses
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prior to, uh, Steve Bell about how there was a lot of questioning amongst police, especially
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for the, the fuel seizure at Coventry road as to what lawful authority they were, they were
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And there was definitely some, some contention and some debate within the police services about
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And to me, my impression, which seems to have been confirmed by, I think, uh, I can't remember
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if it was chief superintendent retired party or superintendent Abrams from the OPP.
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I can't remember which one of them said that, um, it was more like the political masters or
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maybe that was chief slowly's notes, but they were more, it seemed like it was probably more
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of an action that was influenced by, I would say, Ottawa city hall.
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I would presume Ottawa city hall to like show like, uh, the residents, the angry residents,
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You know what that came out in the testimony of the, um, hyper anxious city councilors,
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They said that they wanted to pass, uh, bylaws, even though bylaws couldn't, the bylaw officers
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were told by the police don't enforce in the red zone, or if it's convoy related, you don't
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So they said they wanted to bring in additional bylaws.
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They said, give us your top three bylaws for us to pass, to make it look like we're doing
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something because they were willing to bring in bylaws.
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Nobody could enforce just for the perception of usefulness for political optics.
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Um, I think it was Abrams, um, who said that it was, uh, I forgot what I was going to say.
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There was, he was talking about, um, I think the, uh, the paranoia of chief slowly.
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He seemed really paranoid that people in the ministry wrote to get him.
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Um, he, it just revealed not only the chaos and the chaos came from the top down all along.
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I thought maybe slowly is maybe one of the, the not truly bad guys, not to say that he was
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Um, but, uh, no, I don't think there are any good guys in here.
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I keep describing it as that Spider-Man meme where they're all just like dressed the same
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You know, no, they're literally all the bad guy here.
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Um, but you could see the reiteration of the, uh, political narrative when Brenda Lucky,
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Um, she said in a communication with, um, OPS that they need to consider other treading
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For example, if this was BLM, would policing be so hands-off?
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You couldn't get more hands-off than the people dealing with BLM.
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Um, she said, we think of the protest, politicians think of the impacts on people.
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Um, and she said that we need to take a more measured approach, but, um, you could tell
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that she was thinking about the political optics of this.
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Um, and it sounds like she wanted more enforcement, but not necessarily the emergencies act.
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Yeah, I would, I would agree with that assessment.
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That's what, that was my interpretation of what she was writing as, or, uh, what she had
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Um, sorry, I'm just, uh, going through my notes here.
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I just saw on that, that post that you just had up on the screen there about the cops taking
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Um, I was at, I was doing overwatch for the ground people during the BLM protest here in
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Ottawa, and they were, they were intimidated into taking a knee.
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They were having like people like a lot, huge crowds of people, right.
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It was a massive crowd of people were like, just yelling at these handful of poorly equipped
00:30:19.940
officers on the ground in front of the American embassy and throwing items at them, specifically
00:30:25.280
like bottles of like water bottles until I think all but one of them, if I remember correctly,
00:30:32.520
all but one of them took a knee in basically they were demanded to take a knee in submission.
00:30:38.960
And you, you, you didn't see that from the convoy protests.
00:30:44.620
Now I remember, now I remember what I was going to say.
00:30:48.100
Um, it was the concerns from Abrams about his officers being involved in illegal arrests.
00:30:55.280
Um, he, he was, he called them snatch and grabs, um, which is like narco state stuff.
00:31:05.440
And he said that his OPP officers, this is what slowly wanted to do.
00:31:12.660
No OPP officer is going to be involved in that.
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And he wanted to grab the high profile protest organizers and influencers.
00:31:20.720
So I guess based on your social media account, maybe, um, wanted to grab them.
00:31:26.580
Um, and there's some evidence that Brendan Miller alluded to from some people involved in the
00:31:37.060
And they were, he described it as kidnapping because they were not charged.
00:31:41.900
They were pulled into the protest and driven to the outskirts of town and dropped off in
00:31:47.140
a parking lot at minus 30 without a building or a phone.
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They didn't know where they were, where they were dumped there.
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And that's how people end up dead, if I recall correctly, from an incident in Saskatchewan
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And that's the kind of thing that Abrams was really concerned that his guys were not going
00:32:08.160
to be involved in, but that was what slowly and chief bell were doing.
00:32:13.260
Now, I do think, uh, most of those arrests happened during the major mobilization where they
00:32:19.560
were dismantling the convoy on the 18th and the 19th.
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But I have, I have spoken directly to people that that happened to, they were driven out
00:32:27.020
to an industrial area and dropped off and just had to make their own way back to some
00:32:32.400
degree of shelter or reconnect with people on their, all on their own.
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That's as you can, you would know better than me.
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I guess it was the Saskatoon RCMP or was it the municipal police that they used to do
00:32:50.880
It was the, I'm pretty sure it was Saskatoon police service.
00:32:53.880
And yeah, that was, that was something that was discussed in my former career, especially
00:32:58.800
working up North where winters could get quite bitter.
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Like there was often times where people would deliberately try to get arrested so that they
00:33:08.100
would have a warm place to sleep for the night.
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I can see Keith Wilson, Tamara Leach's lawyer that entered the studio with us.
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So I guess we'll, we'll throw to a quick ad and we'll be able to switch to guests and
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Hey folks, from October 13th to November 25th, we are here in Ottawa for the Emergencies
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Act Inquiry organized by the Public Order Emergency Commission.
00:33:47.860
Well, because during the Freedom Convoy back in February, Justin Trudeau used a never invoked
00:33:52.740
before Emergencies Act to basically seize protesters' bank accounts, seize protesters' money,
00:33:58.020
seize their assets, trample their civil liberties.
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So we're here this month for the next month and a half to figure out if the way the government
00:34:07.540
So we are here to hold the government accountable, but we need your help.
00:34:10.220
We are here to cover it for you because everyone else here is mainstream media.
00:34:13.200
So if you want to help us cover it, if you want to help us bring you the other side of
00:34:16.780
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00:34:22.260
Thursday in Ottawa, the Public Order Emergencies Commission kicked off.
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It's an inquiry into the actions of the government, or at least it's supposed to be.
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The inquiry is allegedly meant to examine whether or not the government was justified in invoking
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an anti-terrorism law called the Emergencies Act to euthanize peaceful anti-COVID mandate
00:34:41.900
protests taking place in the nation's capital, but also in other locations across the country.
00:34:46.860
Now the convoy to Ottawa spent nearly four weeks completely peacefully demonstrating against
00:34:58.960
It evolved into a nearly month-long street party replete with bouncy castles, hot tubs,
00:35:04.040
street hockey, concerts, and community outreach efforts like soup kitchens and food for the
00:35:09.820
Rebel News, as we were for the convoy to Ottawa, will be there on the ground in Ottawa to cover
00:35:15.240
the commission from the beginning to the end because you just cannot trust the mainstream
00:35:20.460
And in fact, that's what today's report is about.
00:35:24.280
We've rented an Airbnb in Ottawa where we're sending a rotating cast of journalists to report
00:35:31.960
Now you can help support our efforts there at truckercommission.com.
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The mainstream media's reporting about the alleged foreign nature of the convoy funding
00:35:41.120
was cited as a reason the Liberals invoked the Emergencies Act to arrest, detain, and
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seize the property, bank accounts, and assets of anti-Trudeau demonstrators.
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I'm very, first of all, I'm very sorry that you're going to have to listen to me croak
00:36:04.720
But I wanted to ask you, we heard some crazy things today that Brennan Miller alluded to
00:36:13.360
And one of the things was the snatch and grabs that Superintendent of the OPP Abrams mentioned
00:36:20.820
earlier, where protesters were taken by police, OPS it sounds like, to the outskirts of town
00:36:28.880
when it's bitterly cold, basically kidnapped, as Brennan Miller said, and then just dumped
00:36:34.060
out there with no phone, no shelter, and no way to get back, or no way to get help, no way
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I spent part of the day actually reviewing the witness statements from a number of these
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One of the people who we've asked to have the right to testify is a mom in her 30s.
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She has an interesting story as to why she went there.
00:37:07.800
And someone was handing out copies of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
00:37:11.320
And she approached the police line with the big goons in their green with no badges, no
00:37:18.760
And she put the Charter of Rights down on the ground in front of her and she got on her
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And she said to the police, she said, if you advance further, you will literally be trampling
00:37:32.340
They snatched her up, dragged her violently and sucked her into the line.
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They closed the line right up when they pull you in.
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Knead her, put her as she would put her face in the snow, put her arms behind her back and
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Then they marched her over and put her in a police line outside, you know, no gloves on,
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hands tied behind your back, minus 25, not including the wind chill.
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And it is a damp cold for those of us from Alberta, because I experienced it and it's
00:38:07.280
Um, and then waited to get processed was, um, had to wait in another line, taken over, put
00:38:16.680
in the paddy wagon line, put in the back of a paddy wagon, unheated for many hours, no
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And then even though she was released in air quotes and not being arrested, she was still
00:38:32.120
That's where the kidnapping comes in and then driven to the outskirts of town.
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With no services, no building, no phone and kicked out.
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Of course, her cell phone, like everybody else's was dead because it's the long period of time
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This is insane that, like I said to Danny Bulford, that's narco state stuff.
00:39:05.600
Abducting regime protesters, protesters against the government, uh, just disappearing them
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And as I said to Danny, you'd think the police would have learned their lesson after somebody
00:39:19.760
turned up dead in Saskatoon when they did this in the cold.
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Another thing they were doing to moms that really stuck with me was the intimidation of the parents
00:39:32.880
Navigator, uh, just the graciest political firm there ever was.
00:39:42.180
They watched the left-wing Twitter mob say, oh my God, those truckers have their kids with
00:39:49.000
So navigator advises the OPP or sorry, the OPS now advises the OPS that our next communication
00:39:58.380
strategy should be intimidating the parents by threat or possible seizure of their children
00:40:08.060
Because apparently blue collar people who don't like Trudeau cannot be good parents.
00:40:12.220
And to their credit, uh, child services had no part in this.
00:40:17.980
Apparently they were blindsided in that press conference and not exactly happy that they
00:40:22.740
were used as a tool to intimidate otherwise good parents, um, at the hands of the OPS.
00:40:31.320
Well, I know that, that cause I was in the operation centers when that message was coming
00:40:37.020
in and, you know, the extent to which they were being manipulative is remarkable.
00:40:47.080
Um, knowingly creating false fear on parent of parents and children and kids to advance
00:40:55.620
your objective of trying to protect the prime minister from his embarrassment for his gross
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It created a lot of fear and uncertainty, uh, both within the leadership and on the ground.
00:41:12.220
Of course, these parents had their children with them because they were seeking to fight
00:41:18.080
for the rights of their children, for their charter rights to give them a future.
00:41:22.580
Um, they, again, what's remarkable is each day that unfolds and remember only on day eight
00:41:29.540
of 38 days of evidence, uh, something spectacular comes out to expose how deeply concerned all Canadians
00:41:40.720
should be about the conduct of this government and how far they're willing to go to oppress and
00:41:48.420
intimidate and beat up and kidnap those that seek to challenge the government.
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You know, it was one of the most disgraceful things I've ever heard using, um, children
00:42:08.060
against their parents that way, or at least fear of having their children taken away.
00:42:12.940
You think about what it takes to end up in Ottawa.
00:42:16.580
These are people, I mean, frankly, these are my people.
00:42:25.680
When you get those people mad enough to drive across the country to protest for weeks, a
00:42:33.760
normal government would have a sober second thought, but not this one.
00:42:37.580
These are people who've had their livelihoods taken away from them.
00:42:44.160
They've had their right to travel, their right to visit.
00:42:48.720
The right to go to funerals stripped away from them.
00:42:51.460
The right to work, the right to provide for their family.
00:42:54.340
All they have left is their children and maybe the truck.
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Today was just a day that put me a little bit off the rev limiter.
00:43:06.160
And I don't know if it's because I'm sick, but I just didn't have the patience to listen
00:43:09.880
to testimony about my fellow Canadian citizens being abducted by their own government and parents
00:43:15.580
being intimidated because they didn't leave their children behind for weeks in their homes.
00:43:23.640
No, I was just saying that you're absolutely right, Sheila.
00:43:28.220
We saw people getting thrown out of the police cars kilometers away from Ottawa because that
00:43:34.400
We saw, as you were just mentioning, the story of this 30-year-old mother that was brought
00:43:39.020
But the witnesses decided to focus on microaggressions, on alleged threats of violence, psychological
00:43:50.060
They decided to focus on these little things instead of focusing on the actual violence
00:43:55.900
that took place from the police, from the government during the Freedom Convoy.
00:44:01.940
Uber Eats wasn't able to operate properly in town.
00:44:04.940
But Sheila, what do parents love second to their children, their pets?
00:44:18.120
They announced that the conditions were unsafe and inhumane for any pets that were in the trucks.
00:44:23.660
Many truckers have small dogs and medium-sized dogs.
00:44:27.780
And so they were threatening that they were going to take away, the Humane Society was
00:44:33.780
And again, it was Navigator that came up with this, that they were going to, if you didn't
00:44:40.340
have children but you had a pet, they were going to take your pet away.
00:44:44.300
It was this psychological operation that they were launching.
00:44:48.780
Rather than just trying to deal with the issue.
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You know, I listen to people complain about idling trucks.
00:44:58.060
It's psychologically terrorizing to parents to threaten to strip away their children.
00:45:03.260
Or a trucker whose only companion on the road is this dog because he held the wrong political
00:45:09.140
views, because he tried for a moment for once in his life to speak truth to power.
00:45:15.340
And I'm going to file as soon as I'm done this.
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I want to know how much Navigator was paid for this sleazy, greasy operation.
00:45:30.160
But I want to know how much they were paid to craft this campaign of terror against innocent
00:45:40.600
Because earlier we showed part of the cross-examination that was done by Brendan Miller with
00:45:48.360
Can we show part of the testimony given by Steve Bell from the beginning of the day?
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I'm Rob Kittredge, acting for the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms at these hearings.
00:46:12.320
And to show my hand a little bit, they're all geared at, as you say, fleshing out and
00:46:16.020
discussing the necessity of invoking the Emergencies Act.
00:46:20.920
I'd like to show with these questions that under your leadership, the OPS was quite capable
00:46:25.340
of clearing the process, even if the Federal Emergencies Act was never invoked.
00:46:30.120
So, as I understand your testimony today, you identified four ways in which the invocation
00:46:38.300
of the Emergencies Act may have been helpful to police in clearing the protests.
00:46:42.640
First, it streamlined the swearing-in of officers from other jurisdictions.
00:46:47.440
Second, it made it easier to procure towing services.
00:46:51.260
And third, the power to freeze financial accounts may have led some protesters to leave
00:46:58.200
Is that a fair characterization of your first three points?
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Yes, but I don't believe I said may have been helpful.
00:47:10.320
I'll admit a little editorial work on my part there.
00:47:17.100
So, things were a little bit rushed at the end of your time with Commission Council earlier.
00:47:21.560
And I want to make sure that I properly understand your fourth and final point, which was,
00:47:25.420
basically, you said something like, the invocation of the Act created a solid legal framework within
00:47:33.940
Am I understanding you correctly to think that the framework that you're referring to there
00:47:44.520
So, going to your first point, streamlining the swearing-in of officers from other jurisdictions,
00:47:50.800
Acting Deputy Chief Ferguson testified that saved a few hours and some paperwork.
00:47:59.020
And not to contradict Deputy Chief Ferguson, but as my role of CAO, one of my responsibilities
00:48:08.700
It is a much more labor-intensive, administrative process that has several checks and balances and
00:48:16.640
So, I personally wouldn't describe it in hours.
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It likely could be streamlined into 24 hours, but there are a lot of people you have to line
00:48:30.700
So, in short, though, it could likely have been done in 24 hours.
00:48:36.280
It could likely have been done in 24 hours, but I don't think the benefit was as to when
00:48:43.780
I think the benefit was that as soon as a member was boots on the ground in Ottawa, landed in
00:48:50.320
Ottawa, they were operationally ready to be deployed.
00:48:53.260
And that's what we needed as we were bringing members in from across the country.
00:48:59.180
But you don't dispute that those officers could have been sworn in without emergency
00:49:04.020
They absolutely could have been sworn in without it.
00:49:06.440
It just could have created a backlog in length time, particularly with the number of officers
00:49:11.860
we were bringing to the city from all across the country.
00:49:16.460
So, in this regard, though, the invocation of the Emergencies Act was helpful to police,
00:49:35.200
Ferguson the other day said it probably saved us a few hours.
00:49:37.760
But, boy, if I recall correctly, the Toronto Mounted Unit was there pretty darn fast to
00:49:44.220
run over a bunch of old ladies in mobility scooters pretty quickly.
00:49:51.400
And we heard from the OPP that actually swearing them in is completely unnecessary because they
00:49:57.680
can enforce criminal code infractions and Highway Traffic Act stuff.
00:50:02.320
So, you know, vehicle infractions, they had the right to do that, and they could have
00:50:08.980
engaged in any sort of arrest for mischief without invoking the Emergencies Act to speed
00:50:17.880
And once the Windsor blockade resolved, they all deployed to Ottawa.
00:50:23.060
You can see it in the numbers of the police being deployed that it just went up by hundreds
00:50:30.420
And, I mean, we have a lawyer right here, but I don't think the Act has the right to
00:50:43.500
I've read the Emergencies Act many times, and I can tell you with great certainty, administrative
00:50:52.600
And, again, we must remember, and I'm going to keep saying this because it's so important,
00:50:57.060
what's the big hullabaloo about the Emergencies Act?
00:51:00.580
Well, it allows the government to write a blank check over your rights and your bank account
00:51:13.600
It is the most extreme legal power that exists on the books in Canada.
00:51:22.160
That is why it was only previously ever used when it was called the War Measures Act during World War I,
00:51:31.700
World War II, the FLQ crisis, and now an embarrassed, petulant child prime minister who the working class said,
00:51:42.280
enough, we're tired of you taking away the futures from our children and our neighbours and our communities.
00:51:49.220
We're tired of you ignoring the Charter and the rule of law.
00:51:54.400
We're tired of you in your arbitrary divisive politics trying to get re-elected again in your election
00:52:00.820
by pitting one group of Canadians against another, and we're coming to Ottawa to take a stand.
00:52:05.920
This was not a proper basis, just at a pure sort of common sense level, let alone clearly a legal level.
00:52:15.860
They haven't, each day that goes by, at the end of the day, myself and the others on our legal team,
00:52:22.560
we look to one another and we go, well, anything yet?
00:52:26.920
There's been no evidence from any witness that supports the legal criteria for the invocation of the Emergencies Act.
00:52:35.600
And I think it's really important that the bar is never lowered.
00:52:39.660
That's a really important point to make here, I think,
00:52:42.160
is that this was, this is for a 9-11 event on Canadian soil.
00:52:47.940
This is like, if the Russians invade us, that's when we use this.
00:52:52.320
This isn't for bouncy castles, hot tubs and embarrassing a prime minister with no shame,
00:52:59.260
which, you know, I'm surprised it's possible to embarrass a guy who performs like he does, but here we are.
00:53:04.240
So it's really important that we never lower the bar to just people who inconvenience a couple of thousand Ottawa busybodies,
00:53:18.240
Yeah, or that hurt the feeling of the prime, the feelings of the prime minister.
00:53:21.900
I'm sure he would like this to be a crime, hurting his feelings.
00:53:25.280
Well, and, you know, when the FLQ crisis, the kidnappers were the actual terrorists and not the police.
00:53:31.560
So we've got the inverse going on this time around.
00:53:36.160
I also noticed that today, and I was talking with Danny Bulford about this,
00:53:40.840
is that there were Brett DeLucky features prominently in today's testimony,
00:53:46.740
that she was concerned that they should not take a hands-off approach.
00:53:55.540
She said, if this were BLM, what would we be doing?
00:54:07.580
She weighed in in an email with Public Safety on February 13th.
00:54:13.140
And she said there are plenty of more resources to use,
00:54:16.480
including existing Ontario law, than the Emergencies Act.
00:54:23.120
because that was directly with the minister's office, Mendicino's office,
00:54:29.040
directly from the RCMP saying there are still tools in the toolbox to use.
00:54:36.520
Well, and it was the prime minister and the cabinet that went nuclear on the Sunday night
00:54:43.040
after they were briefed by their senior security advisor from the Privy Council,
00:54:47.740
which was documents of that were released in early August,
00:54:53.600
and that there had been this breakthrough agreement that I was involved with in Ottawa
00:54:58.080
to move the trucks out of the downtown and concentrate on Wellington
00:55:03.680
And so there was just no factual basis on the ground.
00:55:14.700
because I briefed Brendan on my phone call that I received from Steve Kay,
00:55:33.560
First of all, he was very, very, he's a very upbeat guy.
00:55:50.420
The new interim chiefs intervened and the federal government's intervened
00:55:53.520
and they're not going to let us do the truck moves.
00:55:55.400
And I remember saying to him, looks to me like the prime minister
00:56:07.500
He wanted to retaliate against law-abiding Canadians of every ethnic background,
00:56:17.160
the blue-collar, non-laptop civil servant class,
00:56:22.540
for daring to reject his offer of let them eat cake.
00:56:33.120
And we just got to keep getting the truth out here.
00:56:38.680
And I have been struck by some of the honesty of, like, that we've talked about this,
00:56:48.980
I mean, it was just remarkable, his truthfulness.
00:56:51.800
And even Steve Kaye was very candid and honest in his testimony,
00:57:00.120
I was worried that they were all going to tell a story.
00:57:02.960
And we were going to have to work a lot harder and cross to try and get the truth out
00:57:08.640
But so far, this is not going well for the government at all.
00:57:13.740
And when you talk about honesty, there's just two last things I want to make sure we touch on
00:57:18.780
I saw recently GCCF announced that you are calling for the commission to call the head of the CBC,
00:57:27.080
state-funded CBC, as a witness for the emergency that inquired.
00:57:30.860
Can you explain why the GCCF is pushing for that to happen?
00:57:35.540
So a number of the legal teams have joined together,
00:57:38.560
and we've made a formal request under the rules of the inquiry process
00:57:42.760
for the commissioner to use his subpoena powers to compel the attendance of the head of the CBC.
00:57:48.420
Now, of course, she's going to have to come in from out of country
00:57:51.300
because apparently she spends a long time in New York.
00:57:54.920
You know, we'll have to wait for Amanda Pearson to serve her.
00:57:57.560
But, and it's the same mechanism that was used by the commission today to subpoena Premier Ford
00:58:07.880
But why would we want the head of the CBC to testify?
00:58:11.180
If you look at the Ordering Council constituting this inquiry and giving the commissioner's mandate,
00:58:16.540
one of the things that he's to delve into is misinformation and disinformation.
00:58:22.180
Well, who comes immediately to mind when you start to think about misinformation and disinformation in the media?
00:58:30.540
Like, I mean, the CBC is almost in a class on their own.
00:58:34.140
So, I mean, it's remarkable to me that they government, the federal government,
00:58:41.020
seems to think that anybody who talks about the vaccine being experimental is engaging in misinformation.
00:58:48.020
When I, under oath, got Dr. Larenko, who's the head of Health Canada,
00:58:53.060
that approved the vaccine to admit that it's experimental.
00:58:56.200
So, how can her testimony, under oath, be misinformation?
00:59:00.840
Our view is that we're going to seek to expose the misinformation of the government.
00:59:05.580
They're trying to characterize everything that the convoy was talking about
00:59:09.300
and the motivation for Canadians on cold winter weather to come out to Ottawa.
00:59:16.100
It was driven by an understanding of the truth and their disdain at the misinformation from the state-funded media.
00:59:23.920
So, that's why we've sought to subpoena the head of the CBC.
00:59:30.300
Yeah, it'll be interesting to see if Shaxley comes to the commission.
00:59:37.320
I remember one of our first—actually, I think our first interview that we ever did at the commission,
00:59:41.600
I asked you about Doug Ford and what were your thoughts on him not testifying.
00:59:45.720
You told me that you believe he can send his message across through his counsel,
00:59:52.440
But you seem right now to want Premier Doug Ford to be testifying in front of the committee.
00:59:59.440
Can you explain why you think it's important for Doug Ford to testify?
01:00:02.520
Because the COVID-19 mandates for federal—the Emergencies Act was, you know, handled by the federal government,
01:00:08.480
but I'm sure Doug Ford had a role in that as well.
01:00:11.440
Well, just to clarify, I know there's so many different groups with so many names at play.
01:00:15.220
It was the CCLA, so Civil Liberties Group and another group, as well as the Ottawa Residence Associations Council that have made the formal request for Doug Ford to be called to testify.
01:00:29.980
In the face of that request, the commission disclosed that they had been making numerous requests for Mr. Premier Ford to testify,
01:00:43.080
And so as a result, the commission on its own initiative had gone ahead and subpoenaed him.
01:00:48.860
It only came to light when a formal request was made by these other groups.
01:00:54.140
I don't see him, in my view, in our legal team, we don't see him as a significant player.
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But my understanding as well, and I haven't been able to confirm this independently,
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but it's been—somebody said to me that apparently he's seeking to challenge the subpoena.
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He really doesn't want to appear in front of him.
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I mean, that was—the prime minister could have done that too, and instead he got out in front of it and said,
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oh, oh, I'd be happy to testify, welcome the opportunity.
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So why Ford is now going to draw more attention to himself by seeking to fight the subpoena,
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if my very recent information is accurate, is strange.
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I guess the cautionary tale for government and politicians is—and the wisdom of those who enacted the current version of the Emergencies Act to require this inquiry.
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Some people have said, well, if there's no penalty at the end, if there's no consequence, what's the value in it?
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We're seeing the truth come out slowly in a methodical way, in a pace that's digestible,
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but each day is literally shocking in terms of the level of incompetence and corruption that's being exposed by these governments.
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Yeah, and Doug Ford initially said—I don't know if you remember—Doug Ford initially said that he wasn't asked to testify for the Emergencies Act at the beginning,
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yet we saw today that he was asked on September 19th to testify.
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Can we show the clip where Ford says that he was never asked to testify for the Emergencies Act inquiry?
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Honestly, I don't know what Doug Ford's going to tell me that Trudeau won't.
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Those two are in lockstep, so I don't know what new thing he might tell me, but if we do have that clip, that would be great.
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If not, we should throw to an ad so that Keith can gracefully leave the set without getting tangled up in his headphones.
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Yeah, we'll get to the chats, and then we'll—if we can throw to an ad so that Keith can leave,
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so we don't have to look at his midsection as he gets up and walks off set,
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and then we'll finish our chats, if that's okay, Olivia.
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Welcome back. I wish I had said some nicer things to Keith before he left.
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We'll definitely see him again this week, Sheila, for sure.
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And look, we've got him right here in the studio. Are we able to see?
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It's probably the loudest member of the Rebel News family.
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But no, so Doug Ford, I think we found that hook, so we should throw it to that Doug Ford, Doug Ford clip.
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How come, Premier Ford, you're not testifying at this inquiry?
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We have top officials from the OPP that were running the operation with conjunction with municipal police agencies and the RCMP.
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And I am so proud to stand here and back our police right across this country and right across this province.
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Like I said, there's nothing he's going to tell me that Trudeau won't.
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I expect it from Trudeau, but I've come to expect it from Doug Ford.
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You know, I thought he was the real deal four years ago.
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I thought he was the brother, but turns out he's not.
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Never judge someone by their siblings for better or for worse.
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Let that be a lesson that we learned in all of this.
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So, Yankee, what are you going to be doing for the Trucker Commission?
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I did miss the trucker convoy because I was back home working all day.
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So, I decided to pop in, see what it is in real life.
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And mostly my job is behind the scenes, making sure all the clips get up,
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making sure that everyone could find the clips.
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So, I popped in to Doug William and wish him a happy birthday.
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And last time he was at the Rebel News RBNB, the RBNB got raided.
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I don't want him to stand in front of the police like this
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because they're trying to raid our RBNB once again.
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The Trucker Commission is part of Trudeau shutting down the lockdowns.
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But regarding the Airbnb and the lawsuits that we have and the Montreal Police,
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we'll have an update in the coming weeks on that.
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Yeah, you guys have been working behind the scenes to bring everybody a more comprehensive story about what has happened then,
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Just, I mean, but they'd have to be doing something raid-worthy, right?
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But could you imagine if any news outlet was raided?
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Well, they tried with a few different judges to get a warrant for, I believe it was around 10 hours.
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Well, while causing a lot of harm in the way, obviously, for freedom and for people individually.
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And I believe nobody has received any tickets outside of David from that night, from the day.
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Like, they told the media they're going to be sending $6,000 fines to each rebel,
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which that night, that day, I keep saying night because I was usually out at night.
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That day, they did not give any tickets so far.
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Because I did receive tickets in the mail almost a year later.
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Do you have any chats from today's live stream to go back to what happened in Ottawa?
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I think this is Adam Ottawa, a regular viewer on Adam.
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Anyways, $5 of violence that they felt that was worth $5 to write.
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So, like, physical felt, but, like, their feelings were worth.
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Apparently, he's a 27-year police officer, so he knows better.
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But I guess the moral of the story is wokeism can get you at any point in your career.
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And while we saw some good cops from the OPP, particularly Abrams and Morris, you've got a Bill Blair on your hands here with Steve Bell, where he's more concerned about the politics and being upwardly mobile and perhaps running for the liberals than actually being a good cop for his community.
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Well, you know, the first part of this chat from Adam, by the way, this Adam Ottawa, thank you for sharing this city with me here in Ottawa.
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This corrupt city filled with liberals everywhere.
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So, according to them, if your feelings are hurt, if what another person tells you, if you don't agree with that message, it is violence.
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So, it's not surprising to see these left-leaning individuals testifying and saying that speech is violence.
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Okay, the problem with that is we just can't laugh at them.
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The problem with that, though, is we just can't laugh at them because when they are labeling your speech as violence, what do you do or what are you justified in doing when someone's committing violence against you?
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And that's self-defense and you can meet violence with violence.
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And so, that's how somebody gets punched out for having the wrong opinion.
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Yeah, well, they say punch a Nazi and then they decide everyone is a Nazi, including myself.
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I'm very Jewish and a grandson of Holocaust survivors.
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And then they say punch a Nazi and then they punch you.
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But they punched you at a women's march because you were not a woman.
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Yeah, Yankee is the infamous Jewish Nazi that everyone's talking about.
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It's funny, though, because most people saying punch Nazis are they've never seen a real Nazi and they've never punched anybody in their whole life.
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Paul Champ is the lawyer for the Ottawa Busy Bodies.
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Champ doesn't believe in people working hard for the money.
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And he's a lawyer for rich people who's happy to make sure that the government cracks down on the rights of the working class.
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And this obnoxious weirdo hypocrite's got a tax the rich sticker on his expensive laptop.
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Do you think Paul Champ is sending any extra money to the federal government because he is a high income earner as a lawyer for busy bodies?
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Rich like the trucker who makes $100,000 a year but also has to make owner-operator payments on his truck and pay exorbitant fuel taxes.
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You know, Champ is probably the most unprofessional lawyer I've seen as a commissioner.
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Yeah, when you get hands in, when you hit a reporter because he asks questions that you don't like seeing being asked, then you're having this thousands of dollars worth laptop with a –
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Yeah, well, again, asking questions are violence.
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I don't think it was a punch, but it was more of a – something like that.
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I don't know the exact video, but I've seen it.
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He definitely touched you because your words were violence, and that's what he did.
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Just when they say you're being aggressive, but then they put their hands on you.
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I'm like, well, I think you have a different definition of aggressive than I do.
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Yeah, I mean, you don't see Keith Wilson walking around with a I Love the Freedom Convoy sticker on his laptop.
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You don't see him walking around, even with a political message as a pin.
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Yeah, but if he did, at least you would know that he lives it.
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Like, you know, like if Keith said I Love the Freedom, yeah, like he literally – that's his mantra.
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You're the rich guy not sending any extra money.
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I've watched his line of questioning, and a lot of the times I'm like, what is he talking about?
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Like, what is his goal with these lines of questioning other than just talking?
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I don't know what he's trying to get at even sometimes.
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I guess he wants to prove that it was literal violence, which nobody knows out there.
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Everyone is talking about third-party violence.
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Well, we'll see who wins tonight, the mayoral race.
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And that will be very interesting to see Ottawa residents feel or not.
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And what is in for Ottawa if there's another protest that the government doesn't approve of.
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Because as we spoke about – you guys spoke about earlier – the Ottawa – Steve Bell, the former police – interim police chief, said that the Emergencies Act was a good tool for them to – not necessarily that it was needed, but, you know, it was cool.
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You know, removing all your rights apparently worked to – you know, dictators love removing all the rights.
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Like, that's what a lot of the testimony that I heard where they're like, well, you know, it was helpful.
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You know, things would have resolved on their own, but it was good.
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Like, because you made your life easier and all I can tell is you're lazy.
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Like, they're taking – they're testifying that some of them were taking like two days off in the middle of this national emergency.
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And I have, like, this much voice left in the chat.
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I actually spoke with Paul Otto Newman, I believe, today on Twitter.
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They were asking about the – making sure that we announce when the live streams are.
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We should all be grateful to the truckers in Ottawa and Coots.
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If it hadn't been for them, we would still likely have Aaron Toole as leader of the Conservative Party.
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And Daniel Smith wouldn't be Premier of Alberta.
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If not for – well, Jason Kenney's treatment of lockdown resistors.
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And if not for the truckers at Coots, he would still be in power.
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And let me tell you, I ran into those truckers from Coots at the United Conservative Party AGM.
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When Jason Kenney – when Jason Kenney was trying to arrest you, when he was cracking down on you, telling lies about you.
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Yeah, there's a clear reason why Jason Kenney isn't the Premier of Alberta anymore and isn't the leader of the UPC anymore as well.
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Guys, thanks for letting my horrible voice be in your ears for the last hour and 18 minutes.
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Thanks so much for your hard work today, William.
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Yankee, look forward to seeing you do some work in Ottawa.
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That's valuable attention to the Airbnb while you're there.
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My mom actually texted me and said I should wish you better health, especially your voice.
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Viewers are currently emailing me about my voice.
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Thanks to everybody who pitched in to keep the lights on.
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We'll see everybody back here tomorrow, same time.
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6 Eastern, 4 Mountain, pray to God that it isn't me.
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In your evidence-in-chief, you kept using the word violence regarding protesters, right?
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And you've heard the evidence of Superintendent Morris already.
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And he had stated that the lack of violence in Ottawa during the protest was actually shocking.
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So, is it fair to say that when you use the phrase violence, you're not actually describing any form of physical assaults, are you?
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Well, physical assaults do contribute to what I'm describing.
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I was specifically describing the violence that our community felt as a result of the culmination of actions that the occupiers engaged in.
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So, the violence that they felt, not actual violence.
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Not the criminal code definition of violence, but the violence that they felt by having an incessant horn splared.
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By having people intimidate them and follow them.
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But you're not talking about violence under Section 2 of the CSIS Act, are you?