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BREAKDOWN： Trucker Commission Day 9 ｜ Ft. Tom Marazzo


Summary

Alexa and Tom Morazzo live stream from the Ontario Emergency Preparedness and Response Commission hearing in Ottawa. They talk about the testimony of two witnesses, Brandon Miller and Marcel Baudin, as well as what they saw from the OPP.


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00:00:43.620 Hey, everyone. Hi, Alexa. How are you doing?
00:00:46.900 I'm pretty good, and you?
00:00:48.520 Good, thank you.
00:00:49.280 So welcome back, everyone, to the evening live stream for Rebel News here in Ottawa.
00:00:53.540 And I have with me, once again, future Rebel News contributor, Tom Morazzo.
00:00:57.340 What's up? How are you doing?
00:00:58.220 I'm good. I'm good.
00:00:59.280 Thanks for having me back.
00:01:00.360 Yeah, so once again, Tom, as almost always in live stream, Tom, you were one of the Freedom Convoy organizers.
00:01:05.200 So you had to deal with the city.
00:01:06.680 So how did you feel today?
00:01:10.540 Sorry about that.
00:01:11.260 Listening to how the city felt dealing with you guys.
00:01:14.840 Yeah, it was actually quite an interesting day.
00:01:18.360 I, you know, for the longest time, even from day one after the testimony originally, I had repeatedly said over and over that I was very concerned about the fact that at no level of government was there any will to talk to us.
00:01:35.180 And when you listen to the testimony today from the OPP, it's really interesting to hear that they actually seem to be advocating to talk to us or to set the conditions to get some really good, solid dialogue going.
00:01:50.580 And if you watch the testimony of Brandon Miller today, it was just incredible because, or not the testimony, but his investigation of the OPP officer.
00:02:01.740 It was incredible because he had shown in the evidence a memo that the OPP had drafted recommending that we actually have a meaningful negotiation.
00:02:16.960 And I don't like to use the word negotiation.
00:02:19.460 I prefer to use the word like a dialogue with the government.
00:02:23.240 And the federal government outright rejected it and then declared the Emergency Act.
00:02:30.680 Yeah, you know, yeah, 100% out.
00:02:32.500 That was such a shocking moment, a huge mic drop.
00:02:34.980 And we'll get back to that later when we talk about Marcel Baudin.
00:02:39.440 Sorry, I just want to remind everyone that you can always chat with us through the chat function, I believe, on Rumble and other platforms that we are on.
00:02:47.940 If you want to give us your thoughts about the Emergencies Act inquiry that is happening right now here in Ottawa or anything in general.
00:02:54.860 I think you're starting to get very familiar with Tom at this point.
00:02:58.580 So today we had two witnesses.
00:03:00.580 The first one was with the OPS, I believe.
00:03:04.280 We had Russell Lucas.
00:03:07.680 You know, it's so funny when you spend your whole day live tweeting the whole thing.
00:03:11.840 When you spend the whole day just staying updated with everything, you're in your mind blanks when you need to talk about this.
00:03:18.260 And then we also have a second witness with the OPP, Marcel Baudin, who spoke to us about very shocking, shocking things.
00:03:28.960 Alexa, first time that you're really following closely the commission up to now.
00:03:32.940 How did you feel watching everything unfold?
00:03:35.060 But I need to say that I was traveling everybody, you know, for the World Health Summit in Berlin.
00:03:44.700 So I needed to catch up when I came back.
00:03:47.260 But I was shocked when I actually listened since the beginning what happened, because what they say is actually not what we notice on the ground every day.
00:04:00.940 And I have the impression that all the witnesses today, they talk about communication.
00:04:09.020 But I think the biggest problem was the communication between them.
00:04:13.480 Because at the end of the day, we didn't notice any changing in the police officer on the ground until they gave the first warning to all the truck drivers, telling them.
00:04:28.140 I think it was a blue paper.
00:04:29.800 Probably, Tom, you remember that, the blue paper that they were giving to all trucks, saying that if you are not living right now, you are facing criminal offense and you can be arrested.
00:04:40.000 And after that, they gave, I think, the day after the red paper, telling them that it's their last chance to live or they will be arrested and they will have huge consequences on them.
00:04:54.160 But before that, police were really smiling and really helpful to every people that were there at the protest.
00:05:02.880 And when we were talking to them and asking them, oh, did you notice any violence, any trouble?
00:05:11.900 And they were not so far.
00:05:14.440 And so what I saw so far from the testimony of the witnesses is not accurate of what happened on the ground.
00:05:24.560 What is your point of view for you, Tom?
00:05:26.360 Well, it's really interesting because there is a very, very noticeable difference in the level of professionalism and attitude between the Ottawa police and the OPP.
00:05:43.540 And really seeing and listening to the testimony today, but I have to say the first witness today, I think his name is Russell Lucas.
00:05:54.540 Lucas, thank you.
00:05:56.560 He was, I actually made a comment to him at the end of his testimony in the day.
00:06:01.080 I just saw him in the hall really, or in the aisle really quickly.
00:06:04.200 And I said, you know, had our request to talk to an inspector been granted and they sent you to us, I don't think most of this would have even happened.
00:06:18.900 I don't think it would have progressed to the point of the violence that, that we saw on those last two days.
00:06:25.240 And, you know, there was, there's also comments too, where they, they kept alluding to the fact that, you know, in previous testimony that the communications broke down, communication broke down.
00:06:35.360 And that's categorically false.
00:06:37.620 What actually happened was I had requested, instead of talking to the two police liaison sergeants that I was dealing with, I had requested through the OPP liaison officer that, and through the OPS officer that I didn't deal with them anymore.
00:06:55.800 I wanted somebody of a higher ranking.
00:06:58.880 And it's funny because the testimony of inspector Lucas today revealed that had we been granted that, I think a lot of this would have been very, very different.
00:07:09.600 And I think he, after listening to his testimony, would have been the right person for the job, right?
00:07:15.160 Temperament, professional, straightforward, very deliberate thinking, man.
00:07:20.160 Um, things would have been a lot different than they, they actually turned out.
00:07:25.020 And now you contrast that, not, not contrast, actually, you compare it to the testimony we heard from the OPP.
00:07:31.840 Marcel, Marcel.
00:07:33.080 And it was incredible because, um, you know, I was saying to somebody today that if the movie ever gets done or the screenplay about this convoy getting written, this is the way I see it.
00:07:45.400 You've got a group on, uh, of the protesters and you have a group of, of, uh, law enforcement and they were all trying to come to a good, uh, resolution to this entire thing.
00:07:58.740 But at the top, you had the political class that were interfering with both groups.
00:08:03.980 And so we ended up getting the, the emergency act was declared because of the political interference at every level of government.
00:08:13.520 It seems everything from the municipal, and we heard the testimony of the mayor and the counselors, we are possibly going to hear testimony from the Ontario government.
00:08:22.720 If, if, if Doug Ford, uh, well, he's getting summoned to, yeah, he's getting summons, but he's actually trying to fight the summons to, to come in.
00:08:30.280 Unbelievable lack of transparency, but you mentioned testimony of the first witness, Russell Lucas.
00:08:35.100 Let's see what he had to say about misinformation earlier today.
00:08:39.000 Um, in your witness statement, you noted that there was, uh, an issue with misinformation and disinformation and its impact on, uh, the policing of the Freedom Convoy.
00:08:52.660 Could I just ask you to expand on that?
00:08:55.520 Yes.
00:08:56.080 And there's, there's a couple of really good examples.
00:08:58.240 So the, uh, I've learned a lot and, uh, the, the, the power of social media has evolved and it continues to evolve.
00:09:06.740 And when, when we look at, when somebody sends out, uh, I'll call missing, we try to put out information from legitimate sources and you try to make sure that they're verified.
00:09:17.980 So we always refer people back to our website to look for true information.
00:09:22.920 Misinformation comes when people are sending out unintentionally wrong information and they get shared.
00:09:29.380 And then you're trying to put that genie back in the bottle.
00:09:31.880 And then the other issue was the disinformation where people are knowingly putting out false information and, uh, which is drawing on resources or creating a different narrative that you're trying to, to, to, to deal with.
00:09:45.480 So, so like, for example, the, the wooden fence that's up protecting the construction site on Parliament Hill was being shared repeatedly over and over again, saying they're fortifying Parliament Hill in advance of, of the arrival of the convoys.
00:10:00.400 And it was inflaming people, but in your, you're trying to get the information out through your PLTs.
00:10:05.620 It's there, it's construction.
00:10:07.180 There's a big pit on the other side.
00:10:08.760 We don't want people to get hurt.
00:10:09.960 And that's, that was a big challenge to try and stay ahead of.
00:10:15.520 It's always a big topic for everyone in the political sphere.
00:10:18.400 And just today we saw Bill C-11, which is supposed to allegedly fight misinformation, promoting content online.
00:10:25.040 Pablo Rodriguez favorites since censorship bills go through second reading in the Senate.
00:10:30.000 So, you know, it's such a big issue, but from the way I see it, the biggest source of misinformation we've seen from the beginning of the convoy was from the side of the government.
00:10:38.640 The government was saying that the protesters were not willing to engage.
00:10:41.980 They were irrational.
00:10:43.120 We saw Jim Watson, I believe it was Jim Watson who said that protesters were irrational, which I scrum him on, by the way, afterwards.
00:10:49.880 And yet, then we see in the evidence that is shown in front of the committee that Keith Wilson, the lawyer representing the protesters, was willing to engage with the city, was willing to, you know, move the trucks, get the truck moved.
00:11:02.840 We even saw protesters say that they were willing to get the truck moved as well.
00:11:07.300 And not only does the evidence show that, but the editorialized version of the event shows it as well.
00:11:14.780 Because we saw from email messages between, I believe, Lucas and the government, or Lucas and DOPP, we saw them talk about how protesters were willing to move, protesters were willing to engage with the government, were willing to have negotiations.
00:11:30.740 So it shows that even in their own editorialized view of the situation, they saw that protesters were willing to engage.
00:11:39.800 I think that's what you probably felt on the ground as well.
00:11:42.420 Yes.
00:11:42.880 Yes, absolutely.
00:11:43.900 There was a will.
00:11:45.080 But again, you know, what I've stated before is that each truck is an individual owner-operator.
00:11:51.900 And we saw that our role was to always focus on what we were there to do, which was to end the federal COVID-19 mandates for all federal employees and really, you know, to put the pressure on the government to end all this nonsense.
00:12:11.500 And, you know, the belief there too is, because a lot of people have been coming out after me on Twitter saying, or social media saying, yeah, but they were provincial mandates.
00:12:21.020 Well, I'm sorry, but there was federal mandates and the leadership of this country starts at the top.
00:12:26.880 And if the federal mandates would have ended, then clearly the provinces would have started to relax it too, because it's the federal government that started it and everybody else followed suit.
00:12:35.740 And so, you know, the intention was to always relieve as much pressure on the residents as possible, but maximize the pressure on the federal government.
00:12:49.020 And, you know, that's a hard balance to achieve.
00:12:51.760 I believe that's why you guys were willing to move to Washington, students are saying in the original streets in Ottawa.
00:12:56.520 Well, no, you will probably agree with me, Tom, that, you know, at the beginning when all the truck arrived, I think it was on 29, it was completely a cow.
00:13:11.680 Okay.
00:13:12.080 It was like everybody was parked a little bit everywhere and it was not well made.
00:13:17.400 But I remember during the night waking up in the morning and all the truck was aligned and they actually make an empty line fluid for like the circulation.
00:13:30.560 And I remember that that all happened during the night after that, probably you had a discussion with the mayor.
00:13:36.960 I don't know, but I don't really recall which day it was, but I recall that the day after every single truck was really well parked and they make like an empty line for the emergency car and police car to pass through everywhere.
00:13:59.580 I think I recall one street that was really blocked or maybe two, but that's it.
00:14:06.340 All of the other streets was okay.
00:14:10.000 Even the testimonies today and even yesterday as well from Lucas today and other testimonies we've heard also confirm what you're saying, Alexa, that the streets were not fully clogged.
00:14:21.800 There were lanes still open.
00:14:23.120 The traffic was under control.
00:14:24.460 The highways were dealt with.
00:14:26.040 All the testimonies point to that.
00:14:27.680 And I just want to go back to the misinformation things once again.
00:14:30.820 A lot of people said that the ambulances weren't able to go through because the streets were clogged.
00:14:35.480 That's part of misinformation.
00:14:36.640 That's the misinformation from the leftist point of view in front of government.
00:14:39.840 So no one's going to call it out.
00:14:41.840 Also, earlier today, we saw Lucas, quote unquote, say that he understood the role of the freedom convoy to raise awareness and show discontent in regards to government overreach in relation to COVID-19 mandates.
00:14:51.820 But an enormous amount of people said that you guys were coming here to overthrow the government.
00:14:57.000 But even Russell admits that that wasn't the case.
00:15:00.620 Yeah.
00:15:00.700 And, you know, there's this is all optics, right?
00:15:05.080 And, you know, you've heard the phrase perception is reality.
00:15:08.200 And so in the when the mainstream media has really the largest megaphone that they can use and to shout on behalf of of the federal government.
00:15:18.020 And and I'll try to, you know, bring the point back to the federal government.
00:15:22.320 And I've already alluded to it about the fact they didn't want to talk.
00:15:25.640 But when the federal government is creating this narrative and they're using the the government funded liberal media to shout this at the top of their lungs and bombard people in their homes through their TVs with it.
00:15:38.820 Of course, that that narrative actually starts to work.
00:15:42.120 And it's interesting because I don't think that a lot of the we've noticed that the legacy media isn't not actually covering any of the testimony now.
00:15:51.180 And so the megaphone that they used to vilify the convoy, they're not using to vindicate the convoy right now.
00:16:01.300 And so there's another thing that I actually noticed recently throughout this whole thing.
00:16:06.000 It kind of just came to me this morning is that there's our lawyers, Brendan Miller and Bathsheba Vandenberg.
00:16:15.680 And then there's the JCCF lawyers, there's the democracy, the democracy fund lawyers.
00:16:20.060 And there's one other law firm, but they don't get a lot of airtime.
00:16:23.080 What's really interesting to me is that we are the only group that are actually focusing on the issues of the justification for the emergency act.
00:16:33.060 We're the only group, all of the other lawyers, the other teams are focusing on basically covering their asses.
00:16:40.800 This is a big exercise in CYA.
00:16:43.380 And that's what they're all doing.
00:16:45.520 So when you listen to the testimony, their testimony doesn't really talk about the justification of using the emergency act.
00:16:53.140 It talks about how do I transfer responsibility to somebody else for the decision that I made.
00:16:59.240 And I think that's the reason why Chief slowly got a counsel because he wants to make sure that he's safe from everything.
00:17:05.920 That if people try to put the blame on him, he has someone there to represent him and fight back against him.
00:17:11.180 Not 100%.
00:17:12.340 It's so interesting because you guys are actually the only one there to focus on civil liberties.
00:17:15.980 Yes.
00:17:16.220 And the issue of whether or not it was justified instead of focusing on feelings and microaggression.
00:17:21.580 We should throw to another clip from today's testimony from Lucas saying that the direction that came down was we're not giving them one inch.
00:17:34.440 So the lost opportunity you say is because you could not use PLT?
00:17:41.480 I'm just trying to understand what was the lost opportunity and what caused it?
00:17:46.980 So, again, so when they had that first, again, this is the earliest days of the protest with Rideau Sussex.
00:17:53.680 If they had the opportunity to bring them out of Rideau Sussex, it would have freed up that whole side of the canal.
00:17:58.960 And the direction that came down was we're not giving them one inch.
00:18:03.320 So that's what we worked with.
00:18:06.200 And then, again, so then we're spread thin.
00:18:10.180 And now we're the next few days.
00:18:12.260 It's just about building a stabilization plan so that we're not burning our members out and getting enough rotation of food and things like that before we can get into the next phase of an operation.
00:18:25.440 We're not giving them one inch.
00:18:27.840 What does that mean to you?
00:18:30.140 Well, that says to me that statement right there.
00:18:34.640 What it clearly says to me is that certain elements of the OPS were focusing on finding the balance again between people's legal right to peacefully assemble versus the political class.
00:18:55.300 And maybe some of the leadership within OPS that from day one were setting all of the conditions in place for extraordinary powers so that they could go in and break the convoy.
00:19:07.400 So you could see by that statement to me and the expression on him.
00:19:11.080 And that's why I was referring to him today saying, had I been or we been given the inspector that we requested and had we been given him, I think we would have had a very different outcome.
00:19:23.240 Because to me, listening to his testimony, he seemed like a reasonable, measured person who wanted to make the balance between public safety, public order, but the public's right to peacefully assemble.
00:19:35.860 And this is the thing, and you can tell in a statement that elements within his own department and the political class in the town didn't want that.
00:19:46.500 They never wanted to communicate.
00:19:47.840 They didn't want to be seen as negotiating.
00:19:50.480 They definitely didn't want to listen.
00:19:53.820 And I mean, if you really want to know the evidence of why they didn't want to listen, well, look at the facts.
00:19:58.300 They only ever, you know, they say that this is the largest protest that they've ever had in this city.
00:20:06.080 And the highest ranking person they ever let us speak to was a sergeant who's a part-timer on the police liaison team.
00:20:12.740 Yeah.
00:20:12.860 And when you talk about an unwillingness to cooperate, I'm trying to hold on to this clip until the very end because there's so much more to cover today.
00:20:19.940 But we saw later during Marcel Baudin, Marcel Baudin's testimony that the federal government was given a plan to be able to negotiate and deal with the conflict peacefully.
00:20:36.400 And right after they were given this plan.
00:20:38.360 It was written, the plan, and I got to say the plan was written by the OPP.
00:20:41.980 Yeah, exactly.
00:20:42.580 The OPP wrote their own plan.
00:20:45.380 It was given to the federal government.
00:20:48.020 And right after seeing that plan, they invoked the Emergencies Act.
00:20:50.980 Yeah.
00:20:51.240 So they were briefed.
00:20:52.620 And that's what Brendan said in his exit statement with the OPP is that because this Baudin did not know that his memo or his document that he had written, because he was negotiating with a deputy minister.
00:21:11.480 That's who he was interfacing with in the PMO's office.
00:21:15.380 Or one of the deputy ministers.
00:21:16.820 And his memo was forwarded and cabinet was actually briefed on his memo, on his plan, and they outright rejected it and they chose the Emergency Act, which is, you know, interesting because we have seen in Brendan Miller's opening comments again, and then when he was cross-examining the intelligence, the head of intelligence for the OPP.
00:21:39.100 On two different occasions, when Brendan Miller got out there, he demonstrated clearly that they could not meet the standard of the Section 2 of the CSIS Act, thereby it was illegal to use the Emergency Act.
00:21:52.600 And so really, what more do we really have to talk about?
00:21:57.560 Yeah.
00:21:57.880 We've seen the evidence.
00:21:59.320 The whole case is right there, unless you want to focus on microaggression, the impact on residents.
00:22:04.020 So we know now that they were aware that the leader and the protesters wanted to talk, to have a discussion with the government.
00:22:15.900 So now it's obviously, we know that they were aware about that, and they refused, they said no negotiation, but they knew that having this discussion will end that protest right away.
00:22:32.260 Because probably we will have some discussion, because a little bit after the convoy finished, we saw the mandate lifting a little bit everywhere, and like, we saw some changing in life, okay?
00:22:48.680 But having just this discussion between the government and the protesters will have changed so much in how this protest will have finished, but they refused it.
00:23:01.920 And I just wanted to know your point of view of the fact that the government was aware, and they refused to agree to have a discussion with you and Tabara Leach.
00:23:13.880 Well, it's interesting, because why would an elected official whose mandate, it's actually, I looked it up, I even posted it on Twitter, the terms of reference, the terms of employment for being a member of parliament is, your mandate is to talk to constituents and hear grievances.
00:23:33.400 And so the fact that the fact that the federal government outright rejected any suggestion to meet with us, they viewed us not as citizens, not as voters, not as people that had a constitutional right to assemble, they viewed us as terrorists, their own people.
00:23:51.960 That's ridiculous.
00:23:54.040 And I'm offended by it, I'm appalled by it.
00:23:57.740 And I would have thought, though, one of the things that I would have thought was, you know, they knew that they had, like myself, a retired military officer, they had police officers, we were all publicly known, we were not hiding our careers or our identities.
00:24:14.440 And yet, they still, they didn't look at our professionalism, our resumes, where the background we came from, and look at that and say, you know what, maybe we should think twice when you've got former military officers, former police officers coming out and speaking out against us.
00:24:32.580 Maybe, maybe, maybe we want to take these people seriously, right?
00:24:38.400 Like, we had doctors there amongst us, we had lawyers, you know, we had military, we had police, we had all sorts of, and I don't like to classify it this way, but we had a lot of white collar people amongst our ranks, we had a lot of blue collar people, we were all meshed together, working together.
00:24:57.020 And so when you've got the two groups coming together for one common cause, I don't know how the government ignores that.
00:25:04.440 Well, it's always easier to vilify your opposition, even though they're clearly not what you say they are, even though you know that they are not what you say they are.
00:25:12.900 We're going to go to an ad really quick, when we come back, we're going to look at Marco Mendicino's justification of the use, you've never seen before, anti-terrorism law called the Emergency Act.
00:25:22.460 Thursday in Ottawa, the Public Order Emergencies Commission kicked off.
00:25:30.560 It's an inquiry into the actions of the government, or at least it's supposed to be.
00:25:34.560 The inquiry is allegedly meant to examine whether or not the government was justified in invoking an anti-terrorism law called the Emergencies Act to euthanize peaceful anti-COVID mandate protests taking place in the nation's capital, but also in other locations across the country.
00:25:50.380 My party! My choice! My party! My choice!
00:25:54.700 Now, the convoy to Ottawa spent nearly four weeks completely peacefully demonstrating against lockdowns and vaccine passports.
00:26:02.480 It evolved into a nearly month-long street party replete with bouncy castles, hot tubs, street hockey, concerts, and community outreach efforts like soup kitchens and food for the homeless.
00:26:12.960 Rebel News, as we were for the convoy to Ottawa, will be there on the ground in Ottawa to cover the commission from the beginning to the end because you just cannot trust the mainstream media.
00:26:24.020 And in fact, that's what today's report is about.
00:26:27.820 We've rented an Airbnb in Ottawa where we're sending a rotating cast of journalists to report on the Public Order Emergency Inquiry.
00:26:35.600 Now, you can help support our efforts there at truckercommission.com.
00:26:38.860 The mainstream media's reporting about the alleged foreign nature of the convoy funding was cited as a reason the Liberals invoked the Emergencies Act to arrest, detain, and seize the property, bank accounts, and assets of anti-Trudeau demonstrators.
00:26:53.840 Pass, I'll say.
00:27:04.400 Sorry, we're back now.
00:27:05.900 So I guess just to begin, we'll take a look at what our great, amazing, now it's Bill C-11 is about to probably pass.
00:27:13.060 I have to say that.
00:27:13.880 Our amazing Public Safety Minister, Marco Mendicino, is talking about his justification of the use of the Emergencies Act.
00:27:20.340 With regards to the question about Commissioner Luckey's correspondence, none of that, of course, changes her testimony before the Standing Committee of Public Safety last spring,
00:27:33.200 where she said very clearly that the Emergencies Act was needed to resolve the situation on the ground, not only in Ottawa, but across the country, both peacefully and swiftly.
00:27:44.200 And this was a government decision.
00:27:47.020 We listened carefully to the array advice that we were getting at the time.
00:27:51.760 We consulted with various partners provincially, territorially, et cetera.
00:27:56.420 But we took the decision because it was necessary.
00:27:59.080 We took the decision because this was a situation that was without precedent.
00:28:02.580 We took the decision because the impacts to Canadians, to workers, to families, to vulnerable citizens who required essential health care treatment, including, as we've heard, those who were needing chemotherapy at the time, compelled us to act.
00:28:17.480 And it worked.
00:28:18.480 And now we're going to continue to cooperate with the Commission to make sure that we take whatever lessons are necessary.
00:28:22.700 I think if Mendocino really cared about the impact on Canadians and farmers and workers, he would have lifted the mandates a little bit earlier.
00:28:32.840 I think that's the reason why you guys were here, right?
00:28:35.280 I'm sorry, but me, I kept, like, stopping laughing when I heard him saying, oh, he was so needed for, like, stopping honking or stopping, like, pollution coming from trucks.
00:28:49.180 And really needed from, coming from citizens that say that they were harassed and attacked.
00:28:56.660 When I was on the ground and I was asking them, when they came to me and say, this is outrage, what is going on?
00:29:03.940 They are a danger for us.
00:29:06.260 And I say, oh, can you explain me, like, a situation you faced?
00:29:11.600 And say, it's not a thing to me, but I know someone that happened to someone that he knows.
00:29:16.120 I've read in the media.
00:29:17.660 I've read in the media.
00:29:18.820 Exactly.
00:29:20.060 So I never found someone who were capable to testimonite their own story about something that happened to them facing the protester.
00:29:32.920 Not at all.
00:29:34.320 And I tried to find someone because I'm here for reporting both sides of the story.
00:29:40.700 And none of them were able to testimonite something related to the protester.
00:29:46.260 Well, that's the whole story of the commission.
00:29:47.920 That's the whole point of the commission.
00:29:49.340 It's Jim Watson saying that there's protesters that got their masks ripped off.
00:29:53.320 Yeah.
00:29:53.500 But saying that he saw it in the media.
00:29:54.880 That's the whole point of what's happening.
00:29:56.820 And this is the really disturbing part, right?
00:30:00.040 We're talking about violence.
00:30:01.600 And, you know, when questioned yesterday, Chief Bell said he, you know, we looked at the data.
00:30:09.460 There was only five arrests in 17 days.
00:30:12.160 And actually, it wasn't 16.
00:30:14.060 It was actually 17 days because there was days that they didn't actually have acts of violence.
00:30:18.760 There was five arrests for violence up until for 17 days leading up to the emergency act.
00:30:26.040 And then when pressed what he meant by violence, he said it was more the feeling of violence, right?
00:30:32.720 And it wasn't a real thing.
00:30:33.800 So I got a question for you and you.
00:30:36.420 Raise your hand if you've ever been shot in the leg point blank by a ballistic projectile.
00:30:43.200 There we go.
00:30:44.260 Thank you.
00:30:45.140 Right?
00:30:45.560 So here we are.
00:30:47.860 We're talking about violence.
00:30:49.780 And as far as I'm concerned, the only violence that I saw was what happened to you, Alexa,
00:30:54.580 what happened to Candace and the other gentleman that were run over by the horse, people that were beaten,
00:31:00.420 Chris Deering, who's a friend of mine who was a veteran, and many other veterans,
00:31:04.520 Jeff Averly, who was also beaten by the police and all the civilians that were lined up.
00:31:08.940 And we heard testimony again today where the Ottawa police, or sorry, yesterday when Bell was on the stand,
00:31:17.220 Bell was saying, you know, he kind of contradicted himself in terms of where the people were dropped off.
00:31:25.980 Because, Brendan, we looked at the place where the people were arrested, then told they wouldn't be charged,
00:31:32.040 and then driven out to the board of the city.
00:31:34.280 And he acknowledged there was no building there.
00:31:36.460 Yeah.
00:31:36.680 Right?
00:31:37.200 And that they were basically abducted and then dropped off without charge.
00:31:41.980 Well, you weren't there yesterday, but that's one of the things that your lawyer, Keith Wilson,
00:31:46.000 spoke to us about the story of a 30-year-old mother.
00:31:48.340 Yes.
00:31:48.880 Who was arrested, violently beaten up by the police, then brought kilometers away from Ottawa,
00:31:56.160 and then just dropped off there.
00:31:57.580 Yeah.
00:31:57.840 So that's actual violence, not the feeling or the perception of violence that we're talking about.
00:32:03.760 Right?
00:32:03.960 And so we have noticed along the lines of, you know, as soon as somebody gets on the stand
00:32:09.960 and gives testimony, based on the lexicon that they use or the vocabulary, you know right
00:32:15.260 away which way they're going to try to spin their entire testimony.
00:32:18.860 For sure.
00:32:19.380 That is the lens that they're looking at everything.
00:32:21.940 And maybe that's what they truly believe.
00:32:24.160 But I don't know how you're dealing with a domestic, which you perceive to be an emergency in your town,
00:32:29.840 but you're at home every night watching CBC.
00:32:32.260 That part I don't get.
00:32:33.300 Well, you know, I don't think that's actually what they believe.
00:32:35.040 Because once again, you see their editorialized version of what was happening.
00:32:38.720 They were talking about the protesters as, you know, peaceful protesters that were willing to cooperate.
00:32:43.560 That's the other thing once again.
00:32:44.680 But no, definitely a lot of good stuff from the first witness.
00:32:49.340 Now, to move on to the second witness.
00:32:51.060 Tom, I learned today that you are extremely famous.
00:32:53.660 I heard from Marcel Dubien that if you had left the city, 60% of the protesters would have left as well.
00:33:01.280 Would have to follow you.
00:33:03.000 No, exactly.
00:33:03.780 So pretty interesting stuff from Marcel Dubien.
00:33:07.240 But I had a question for you because you were one of the people that had to deal with the police and basically the police liaison team.
00:33:13.280 And we heard you, what's his name?
00:33:16.320 Boudin.
00:33:16.860 We heard Boudin say that, well, basically the way he was talking about the police liaison team, the PLT,
00:33:22.540 he was talking about them as if they were lazy, as if they weren't doing the best job because they were often just together talking to each other in a room.
00:33:31.240 What was your experience dealing with the PLT?
00:33:33.680 So from what I saw, like I had a bit of a different perception of what he was trying to say.
00:33:40.900 And, you know, a lot of the stuff, and this is really kind of fascinating to me because when I really do feel like when I'm listening to the OPP versus OPS,
00:33:51.300 it is such a contrast in a difference of, I don't want to say professionalism,
00:33:57.920 because I've seen a few members of OPS that were professional in some of the testimony, like the one that we had the first witness today.
00:34:06.100 But there's just a difference in mentality.
00:34:10.320 I really felt like the OPP had made every possible attempt, like I said,
00:34:17.700 to strike that balance between allowing people to peacefully protest, but also maintaining public order.
00:34:25.220 And I feel like the OPP really struggled against or to try to align with what the OPS was doing because the OPP were kind of free of all the political interference.
00:34:38.940 They weren't getting pressure that I've seen from any level of government right now,
00:34:42.780 whereas the OPS had the politicians, including the PMO's office, right in their shorts the whole time.
00:34:49.620 And so you see the difference in political interference.
00:34:54.160 Yes, Marcel Baudin.
00:34:55.980 And I, you know, other than a few comments that he had made today,
00:35:00.060 I have to say my gut feeling from the testimony I saw from him was that he was fighting really hard to always keep this safe and responsible to protect the protesters,
00:35:17.060 protect the police, protect the public.
00:35:18.840 I think that's just my read.
00:35:20.940 I'm willing to be wrong on that, but he's one of the ones that surprised me.
00:35:25.100 And so did Morris when he, he, and he's OPP as well, the, the, the head of intelligence,
00:35:31.380 very, very different perception I got coming from them where they were actually,
00:35:36.880 they were,
00:35:38.200 they were trying to be honest brokers and find the balance for OPS for like,
00:35:41.820 no, this is all about.
00:35:42.860 I think they were still trying while they, while they were doing what you were saying,
00:35:46.080 I think they were still trying to pander to what, uh, you know,
00:35:48.800 the chief of the OPS, the chief of the Ottawa police services and everything we're saying,
00:35:52.820 because Baudin did say that if you guys didn't go home, there would be consequences for it.
00:35:58.960 He did, he did say a few quotes as you were saying,
00:36:01.220 but where I would agree with you is seeing his reaction after he learned that the cabinets didn't,
00:36:09.500 you know, take into consideration his negotiation,
00:36:12.440 suggesting his plan suggestion,
00:36:14.460 and instead decided to invoke the emergency.
00:36:16.920 He's like, that's a clip that I was holding off for the whole life.
00:36:19.500 Let's take a look at that.
00:36:20.980 Yeah.
00:36:21.580 His face is actually.
00:36:23.940 Yeah.
00:36:24.480 He was surprised.
00:36:25.740 He was totally caught off guard by it.
00:36:27.720 Yeah.
00:36:27.880 Let's take a look at the clip.
00:36:31.080 Well, I don't exactly know what date it was.
00:36:33.620 It may have been the 10th of January, somewhere around, or sorry, February, somewhere around there.
00:36:38.540 But I had been called by Deputy Commissioner DeMarco saying that the Deputy Minister of Public Safety Canada
00:36:46.260 was looking to reach out to, to me.
00:36:50.580 And then I don't know how that came to be, but ultimately that's how that came through.
00:36:55.800 It was from Deputy DeMarco to myself, a call at night, and just saying,
00:37:01.140 this is going to happen with this system that you would be interested in assisting us with.
00:37:06.020 Okay.
00:37:06.680 But it was your understanding, based on information from your team,
00:37:10.240 that there were people who were prepared, people on the protester side,
00:37:14.300 who were prepared to have this type of meeting.
00:37:17.380 Yeah.
00:37:17.540 Like, I'm assuming, like, Tom Arazzo was one name that came forward.
00:37:22.700 Tamara Litch was one name that came forward.
00:37:25.000 So there was people that had stepped up as being leaders and had people following them.
00:37:30.540 Yeah.
00:37:30.760 So I don't exactly know what date it was.
00:37:33.340 It may have been the 10th of January, somewhere around, or sorry, February, somewhere around there.
00:37:37.460 But I had been called by Deputy Commissioner DeMarco, saying that the Deputy Minister of Public Safety Canada
00:37:45.960 was looking to reach out to, to me.
00:37:50.180 And then.
00:37:52.220 Yeah, that wasn't the right clip.
00:37:54.000 Sorry about that.
00:37:54.720 But we still, we still, we still heard your name in there.
00:37:57.720 Yeah, so even that there was, like, this will from, from members.
00:38:03.680 So you heard Deputy Minister for, I think, Public Safety was looking to see if there was any space
00:38:09.980 on behalf of the federal government to talk to any of us.
00:38:13.700 So I thought that was kind of interesting.
00:38:16.620 You know, my name being called was sort of an obvious choice.
00:38:22.640 I mean, I had, by that point, made some public statements saying that we want to talk to you.
00:38:27.260 So that's not a, that's nothing about me other than publicly identifying and saying, look, we want to talk.
00:38:33.580 So talk to us.
00:38:34.680 And I had been communicating that through the OPP as well as through the OPS.
00:38:41.060 Yeah.
00:38:41.300 And even with, with Steve Kay, you know, there was always a will to talk.
00:38:47.040 And it was, honestly, I have to say it was a little bit refreshing to hear
00:38:51.040 both in there say that, you know, they were advocating for this because I think that, again,
00:39:02.380 they were trying to strike that right, that right balance, right?
00:39:05.220 Right.
00:39:05.700 But we had this political interference again.
00:39:08.420 No, for sure.
00:39:09.140 And I think that now we actually do have the clip ready.
00:39:12.500 So let's take a look at the actual clip from our great lawyer.
00:39:15.580 Well, you're a great lawyer, Brendan Miller time from Alberta.
00:39:19.460 I understand this is an email from the deputy minister of public safety, Rob Stewart to you, right?
00:39:25.780 Yes.
00:39:26.660 Okay.
00:39:27.140 And in the third sentence on the top paragraph, it says, we have a big meeting this afternoon.
00:39:33.260 Well, this will be discussed.
00:39:34.540 So I really need your input, right?
00:39:37.460 Yes.
00:39:37.720 All right.
00:39:38.580 Did you know that that meeting was at 3.30 p.m. and that it was with Cabinet
00:39:44.580 and it was the incident response group of the political executive meeting
00:39:49.660 and that your proposal was provided to them?
00:39:52.880 No.
00:39:53.680 Okay.
00:39:54.200 It was.
00:39:55.160 I can tell you that.
00:39:56.900 And then they invoked the Emergencies Act.
00:40:01.640 Thank you.
00:40:05.040 Okay.
00:40:05.620 Thank you.
00:40:06.020 Next.
00:40:08.580 Just amazing.
00:40:09.680 The way Miller closed his laptop at the same time.
00:40:13.140 You were in the room.
00:40:13.820 How was that feeling for you guys?
00:40:16.060 Well, I've gotten to know Brendan and he's a brilliant mind and he's absolutely has an
00:40:23.900 outstanding sense of humor.
00:40:25.880 He's great.
00:40:26.460 And, you know, he's also a law professor.
00:40:30.360 Yeah, that's true.
00:40:31.020 A part-time law professor.
00:40:31.880 And I've asked him, I'm like, Brendan, can I sit in on your classes?
00:40:34.220 Um, I think they'd be great.
00:40:36.280 Like I've learned a lot from, from the whole entire legal team, right?
00:40:39.380 I'm getting my, uh, my law degree through osmosis, just hanging around these brilliant
00:40:44.620 minds.
00:40:44.980 Right.
00:40:45.240 And so, but, but, but, you know, joking aside, it's important that I, I kind of bring that
00:40:51.200 up because I'm not trying to be like in the army, we call it a barrack room lawyer, right?
00:40:55.220 Where everybody thinks they know the law.
00:40:57.400 They know the law.
00:40:57.800 Yeah.
00:40:58.000 I I've got access to these brilliant minds.
00:41:00.300 So I asked them very good questions.
00:41:01.820 And sometimes I, I go off on these weird tangents and the lawyer, sit me down, call me down and
00:41:06.900 say, look, this is really what it's about.
00:41:09.540 Um, and, and that has been really, really interesting for me.
00:41:13.140 So when I got up and I, or when I watched, uh, his clothes or his exit with, uh, the OPP,
00:41:19.120 I thought it was brilliant.
00:41:20.400 Right.
00:41:20.800 I understood where he was going with it and, and it's hard to kind of unpack if you're not
00:41:27.320 kind of getting the background explanation.
00:41:29.280 Um, but what I can say with that is that it was, uh, I had learned, uh, where Brendan
00:41:38.480 was going to go with this just before he actually got up there and, uh, and did his cross with,
00:41:43.920 uh, the OPP.
00:41:44.780 And, uh, I, uh, like if I could have went and made popcorn and sat there and had popcorn
00:41:50.620 and drank pop, but like, it would have been like watching Top Gun for the fourth time.
00:41:54.700 No, it was such a great moment.
00:41:55.800 Alexa.
00:41:56.200 It was great.
00:41:57.300 It's just because I have the impression that a lot of them, uh, a lot of people were on the
00:42:01.580 ground working, um, didn't know the impact that their decision or what they will say or
00:42:10.060 what they will write, what it would be the impact of it.
00:42:13.780 And I think now it's just exploding in his face saying like, oh, you did that.
00:42:20.440 Boom.
00:42:20.920 That happened.
00:42:21.780 And it just like probably get sharp and saying like, oh, oh, uh, at that time I was not really
00:42:28.480 aware that what I would say will have as much consequences on what is going on.
00:42:34.820 And, um, when we look at the three witnesses just today, a lot of them were not aware of
00:42:41.860 so many different topics of what was happening on the ground.
00:42:46.440 So how, without knowing all these information you are capable to write and to be sure of what
00:42:54.260 you are writing is, is, is okay.
00:42:56.460 Because you have a lack of information that is missing.
00:43:00.000 You cannot like take a, um, a rational decision.
00:43:05.080 I will say.
00:43:06.420 Yeah, no, for sure.
00:43:07.340 And I think from this club, I have three, I know, I know you got to get off and, uh, and
00:43:10.700 just shortly, but from this club, I think there was, there's a few things that we can talk
00:43:13.940 about.
00:43:14.180 So, you know, his face at the end, I think it went back to what you said earlier that he
00:43:19.460 was shocked about the fact that the parliament didn't listen to him, that the cabinet did
00:43:25.600 not listen to him.
00:43:26.740 And I think it goes through that maybe he wasn't as bad as the other bad guys that are in.
00:43:30.480 Yeah.
00:43:30.820 And, and, you know, there was another instance, uh, where he was speaking about the night that
00:43:35.120 they raided Coventry.
00:43:36.500 And from what I heard, the testimony where he, he actually advised against it.
00:43:41.700 And I remember, and I'm not gonna, I won't elaborate further because it'll, it'll likely
00:43:46.920 come out in my testimony next week.
00:43:48.760 So I don't want to kind of give that piece away, um, but I, his read of the situation,
00:43:55.140 um, in his vice advice before Coventry, I think was, he read the situation perfectly
00:44:03.180 and he made that known to the OPS.
00:44:06.700 And again, the OPS leadership had no will to, to do anything other than exercise, uh, force.
00:44:16.260 And let me qualify that too.
00:44:17.980 There's a certain, um, OPS officer that his name keeps coming up.
00:44:22.640 Uh, he has not been called to the witness list and that may or may not change, but this particular
00:44:28.260 individual seems to be somebody who had a very, uh, strong orientation towards aggressive,
00:44:34.000 uh, police response.
00:44:37.260 And so he may or may not be called and I don't want to be dramatic or anything like that, but
00:44:41.680 his name keeps coming up, but he's not on the list.
00:44:44.480 Um, but he ultimately was the one, uh, running the show, making the final decision on whether
00:44:50.540 or not to go into, um, to Coventry.
00:44:53.920 So I, I find that very interesting because the OPP had actually, from what I heard today,
00:44:59.320 uh, was recommending against the night they went in and raided Coventry for all that fuel.
00:45:05.000 And I do want to say, uh, they stole fuel.
00:45:08.780 And, uh, what's interesting is the day before they stole the fuel, we had the city fire inspector
00:45:14.820 come and look at it.
00:45:15.960 And then the day after they stole the fuel, the inspectors came back again and looked at
00:45:21.200 the fuel, so why they felt like this was such a hot potato that they had to move on right
00:45:26.500 away.
00:45:27.600 Yeah.
00:45:28.100 And, and we also had, uh, there's so people understand, we've also had actual inspections
00:45:33.980 from the electrical safety authority on a big hydro panel that we set up with generators.
00:45:39.320 And that's what we, they were using for electricity in the parking lot and it was inspected.
00:45:44.280 We paid for it and passed an electrical safety authority's inspection.
00:45:49.100 So when they talk about safety and fuel storage and all that stuff, it's, it's categorically
00:45:54.400 false and we do have the proof.
00:45:55.880 It's all, it's all political for sure.
00:45:57.480 And there's one thing that I wanted to throw at, uh, regarding the last clip, you know,
00:46:00.680 later on the GCCF lawyer asked, uh, Mr. Baudin had negotiations up to that point been handled
00:46:07.300 differently.
00:46:07.840 The situation could have been different.
00:46:09.720 Do you agree with that?
00:46:11.000 Baudin said, yes, later on in the same, same testimony, he was asked the same question,
00:46:16.180 basically in a different format, but it was asked the same thing once again.
00:46:18.560 And he did agree that had negotiations actually occurred, the situation could have been handled
00:46:24.740 differently without the emergency act.
00:46:27.000 So had the cabinet actually listened to the OPP recommendations, the situation would have
00:46:32.340 been handled a lot differently.
00:46:33.560 According to this witness, listen, it's 7, 7 PM right now.
00:46:37.260 I know we have another interesting guest coming on afterwards.
00:46:40.160 So I guess we'll just throw to a little, little, ah, thanks for joining us again today, Tom,
00:46:44.700 and we'll definitely see each other shortly.
00:46:46.880 Definitely.
00:46:48.560 In pickup trucks, which is a different vehicle, which is a weapon in itself, but the weaponized
00:47:01.620 description to me is really the rigs who take space on, on the, on the street and, and make
00:47:08.220 noise through the horns that you've shown in video.
00:47:10.620 The fumes, that's the description of the weapon is that, that, that truck took space on the
00:47:16.440 road, plus a number of microaggressions.
00:47:19.680 Plus a number of microaggressions.
00:47:21.680 I describe them as microaggressions.
00:47:23.740 I describe them as microaggressions.
00:47:25.740 There's all these microaggressions.
00:47:38.800 Hey folks, from October 14th to November 25th, we are here in Ottawa for the Emergencies Act
00:47:54.700 Inquiry organized by the Public Order Emergency Commission.
00:47:57.320 But why, why the Emergencies Act Inquiry?
00:47:59.700 Well, because during the Freedom Convoy back in February, Justin Trudeau used a never invoked
00:48:04.740 before emergencies act to basically seize protesters' bank accounts, seize protesters' money, seize
00:48:10.560 their assets, trample their civil liberties.
00:48:12.660 So we're here this month for the next month and a half to figure out if the way the government
00:48:16.880 acted was lawful and was appropriate.
00:48:19.660 So we are here to hold the government accountable, but we need your help.
00:48:22.280 We are here to cover it for you because everyone else here is mainstream media.
00:48:24.840 So if you want to help us cover it, if you want to help us bring you the other side of
00:48:28.800 the story, factual, actual news, go to truckercommission.com and consider making a donation.
00:48:36.540 If people, and assuming there were demonstrators who wanted to continue a lawful demonstration,
00:48:42.500 because their aims had not been yet achieved, was there an option made available to them
00:48:49.040 somewhere, some way to do that?
00:48:51.620 I think, I think during it, sir, like there was opportunities every day for people to take
00:48:56.080 part in lawful, peaceful, safe demonstrations.
00:48:59.360 And, and throughout it, there was not people saying, okay, let's go and we're going to go
00:49:04.620 here.
00:49:04.940 And so when people were leaving, right, so not everyone got arrested, right?
00:49:09.680 Like you can go anywhere, but you just can't be on the street here.
00:49:12.320 Right.
00:49:13.000 So if you'd like walk that way, go over there, whatever.
00:49:17.660 And if someone wanted to set up on a, you know, wherever, I'm sure there would potentially
00:49:23.500 be an intervention or whatever, or a conversation or whatever.
00:49:26.500 But as long as it was lawful, peaceful, safe, I don't really know if anyone would have done
00:49:31.620 anything about it.
00:49:32.560 But that being said, I understand that it was such a dire, dire need to clear and regain
00:49:38.260 those streets, but they need to return it to a state of normalcy.
00:49:43.340 We're back, back here again in Ottawa with Angelica, Angelica Toy, one of our people
00:49:52.740 from Alberta.
00:49:53.480 How are you doing today, Angelica?
00:49:54.580 Doing good.
00:49:55.040 Thank you.
00:49:55.460 Good.
00:49:55.720 Great.
00:49:55.920 So Angelica is going to also be covering everything that's happening here in Ottawa with you,
00:50:00.220 Alexa, as well.
00:50:01.460 You're going to be here for the whole week, right?
00:50:02.800 You're going to be covering everything for the whole week.
00:50:04.260 Are you talking to me?
00:50:08.320 To you, yeah.
00:50:11.380 We see I'm actually like as available to cover as much as possible because I was on the ground
00:50:20.540 since the whole month, the same after the convoy was dismantled.
00:50:25.740 I was still there and I was still observing what is happening with the police and the red
00:50:32.880 zone at the call and the, so I, hi Angelica.
00:50:38.620 I never had the chance to meet you in person.
00:50:41.480 So what is your time so far?
00:50:44.360 I don't know if you were like, you were probably aware about the Freedom Convoy in Ottawa, but
00:50:51.760 what is your time to see what happened in Ottawa and what is happening now in this inquiry
00:50:59.760 about the emergency act?
00:51:01.260 Um, so I only got to see, um, what Ottawa looked like through, uh, uh, media, through
00:51:07.960 my friends who were there.
00:51:09.340 Um, and what I saw was just a bunch of Canadians, um, who were completely peaceful.
00:51:14.520 I mean, there were videos of them dancing in the streets and feeding the homeless.
00:51:18.420 Um, uh, they were putting, uh, warm gloves on, uh, people who were cold and it was just
00:51:23.640 a big loving community who were there to, um, you know, fight for their ability to survive
00:51:28.860 because a lot of those people, they, um, they had nothing to lose.
00:51:33.060 So that's why they were there.
00:51:35.020 Um, they had no choice cause the government put them in a very, um, tough position.
00:51:38.640 Um, and right now, um, I'm seeing, um, you know, the evidence come out that there was
00:51:45.900 no violence.
00:51:46.980 Um, we've, you know, we've heard it many times, um, only feelings of violence, which
00:51:51.840 obviously does not, um, uh, fall under the, uh, section two of the CSIS Act.
00:51:56.760 So, um, um, it's nice to see the truth, uh, of that finally come out.
00:52:02.020 Um, but I'm still pretty disappointed, um, in the Emergencies Act because it's obvious
00:52:07.960 here that it wasn't necessary as they were able to make negotiations.
00:52:12.780 As we saw with, uh, Marcel Bowden, um, he was able to make negotiations, uh, to remove
00:52:18.240 people from Confederation Park.
00:52:20.500 So I think you were able to catch Marcel Bowden earlier.
00:52:24.000 I don't know if we can throw to that clip with, with Sam, we can see that you had a
00:52:27.380 chance to ask him a question earlier.
00:52:30.720 Oh, yeah.
00:52:33.420 Protest sites during the negotiation.
00:52:35.580 Um, do you think that the actions of the federal government, um, invoking the Emergencies
00:52:39.940 Act that ended that ability?
00:52:42.900 Once again, uh, you were part of a team that cleared up protest sites, uh, through negotiation.
00:52:47.220 Do you think that the actions of the federal government invoking the Emergencies Act ended
00:52:51.220 that ability?
00:52:51.740 Hi, there's, I know there's an OPP media person that you could probably reach out to if you
00:52:56.800 reach out to Bill Dixon.
00:52:58.220 Okay.
00:52:58.740 Thank you.
00:53:00.480 So, so how was it?
00:53:01.500 You know, I know since the beginning of the Emergencies Act inquiry, I've always been asking
00:53:05.120 questions.
00:53:05.600 How was it feeling?
00:53:06.880 How did you feel being the one having the microphone actually going after, after him?
00:53:10.720 Um, to be honest, um, I just, I wanted, you know, my, my question answered, you know,
00:53:16.260 I saw him right away and I was like, like, Hey man, um, you know, I'm, I'm interested to
00:53:20.780 know because, um, they were there on scene and ultimately they're the ones who know, uh,
00:53:26.920 know the truth.
00:53:27.540 So, yeah, no, definitely, definitely interesting.
00:53:30.820 Yeah.
00:53:31.600 And yeah.
00:53:32.500 You're, you're more polite than I will be because, uh, with his answer about the fact
00:53:38.620 that the dismantle was, uh, professional and pretty well-made and no really, um, use of
00:53:47.000 overpower from the police, uh, been done.
00:53:50.060 I would have to say that, were you aware that some people were beat up and I'm not talking
00:53:56.940 just about men, but women as well.
00:53:59.480 Did you aware that some people were pitter spray, um, shot in the legs?
00:54:04.780 Like, uh, have you been aware of that or you just listened to what you just saw through
00:54:10.540 media?
00:54:11.440 Because I'm not sure, I'm not sure he was actually on the ground that, that, that these
00:54:17.460 two days.
00:54:18.460 And I was, I'm really curious where he take his information from.
00:54:24.380 Yeah.
00:54:24.980 And talking once again, from on the ground journalism, on the ground experiencing, I know
00:54:29.780 Alexa, you were on the ground for every drink throughout the whole freedom convoy.
00:54:33.980 And earlier we said, we, we heard the third witness, um, of the day, I believe his name
00:54:39.480 is a superintendent Bernie talk about the allegations that the, that the, um, the, the, the protesters
00:54:44.960 came to Ottawa to quote unquote, take over the Capitol.
00:54:48.680 Is that what you were feeling when you, when you were walking around talking to people?
00:54:54.120 No.
00:54:56.020 So the people were there, most of the people were surrounding their trucks for like making
00:55:03.520 sure that their truck was okay.
00:55:05.240 Um, and the other people were volunteering to feed the other people around, make sure
00:55:12.040 that they were okay, shoveling the snow that nobody injured themselves and taking like all
00:55:18.800 the garbage from the street for making sure that the street was clean so that people will
00:55:24.140 see them as, uh, you know, good citizen because they were not there for creating like any damage
00:55:31.720 of the city or anything.
00:55:33.100 They were just there for asking and requesting the lifting of the mandate.
00:55:38.240 And same if everybody was coming from different walk of life, they were there for the common
00:55:45.000 goal to just see their life back being normal again.
00:55:48.820 And thinking, thinking over to the Capitol?
00:55:52.540 No, I don't think so.
00:55:53.780 No, no, not the people I actually witnessed so far.
00:55:57.700 Yeah.
00:55:57.880 Well, I think we have spoke to a lot of people and we don't have a lot of time left.
00:56:00.840 There's two things that I want to make sure that we touch on before we leave this live
00:56:04.300 stream.
00:56:05.000 Angelica, you're from Alberta.
00:56:06.180 We're actually being taken over right now.
00:56:07.780 We've got two people in the Airbnb that are from, from the great province of Alberta compared
00:56:11.600 to one from Ontario and one from Quebec.
00:56:13.540 So Tien, I know you're listening.
00:56:14.960 Um, but Angelica, you're from Alberta and we know that the solicitor of Alberta throughout
00:56:20.660 the first day of the, of the testimony of the, of the, of the emergency act inquiry showed
00:56:25.700 her opposition to the use of the emergency act, to the invocation of the emergency act.
00:56:30.620 How, from your, what you've been able to witness in Alberta, how are the people in Alberta
00:56:35.480 feeling about the use of the emergency act?
00:56:38.140 Because we know you also had the coups blockade right there.
00:56:41.100 Well, uh, from what I witnessed, people are pretty upset.
00:56:44.340 Um, I remember, um, witnessing the protests that broke out, um, in support of the Ottawa
00:56:50.180 convoy when, um, especially when they invoked the emergency act and the numbers grew large.
00:56:56.040 I remember there was at least like 25,000 people marching in the streets and people were very,
00:57:01.200 very upset about that because, um, it was obvious that it was unnecessary.
00:57:05.280 Yeah.
00:57:05.920 The emergency, 100%, a great segue from that Alberta.
00:57:09.500 We all know Justin Trudeau doesn't like Alberta.
00:57:11.620 In fact, in the past, Justin Trudeau once said that the country belongs to Quebecers when
00:57:15.300 he was running, uh, with the, with the liberal party, he says that it would be better if the
00:57:19.260 government had more Quebecers in the government instead of Albertans.
00:57:22.080 Uh, and Justin Trudeau, our national drama teacher, they spoke about the emergency.
00:57:27.720 Uh, he spoke about Doug Ford and his relationship with Doug Ford, uh, throughout the freedom convoy.
00:57:34.060 And before the invocation of the emergencies, I can inquire, can we show what our great drama
00:57:40.440 teacher had to say?
00:57:43.300 Your reaction to Premier Ford fighting the summons to appear for the emergency commission?
00:57:47.740 Should he appear?
00:57:48.480 I will let the emergency commission manage its own witnesses.
00:57:52.000 Uh, for my part, I was glad to offer to go, uh, as soon as we called the commission because
00:57:57.120 it was an automatic part of when you invoke the emergencies act, uh, you make sure that
00:58:02.280 there's a public inquiry to look at why it's done.
00:58:05.100 And that's exactly why we called it.
00:58:06.320 And that's exactly why I'm looking forward to appearing.
00:58:08.580 But I will say it was, uh, it was important that different orders of government were able
00:58:12.600 to work together.
00:58:13.460 And Premier Ford and I worked together well on, uh, on, uh, delivering, uh, a, uh, return
00:58:19.100 to normal for the citizens of Ottawa and people across the country.
00:58:21.700 That's not what the transcript said.
00:58:24.000 Like how you said that he was out to lunch, he wasn't there.
00:58:27.480 We have seen, we've seen over the course of this inquiry, a lot of different events happen
00:58:32.920 at different times.
00:58:33.740 And yes, there were times when our different orders of government weren't as aligned as
00:58:37.540 we would have liked to be.
00:58:38.920 Uh, but it's obvious that Premier Ford chose to stand with people of Ottawa, people of Ontario,
00:58:44.260 people of Canada, uh, and not with others.
00:58:46.820 You know, there's two things from what Justin Trudeau said right here.
00:58:51.700 The first thing our government called, uh, for the emergency act inquiry, but we all
00:58:56.200 know that the inquiry is something that is forced to be done after the emergency act
00:59:00.960 is in vote to make sure there's no authoritarian leader, Justin Trudeau, that would invoke it
00:59:07.940 unjustifiably and unnecessarily.
00:59:10.340 So that's, that's one of the lies.
00:59:11.860 Well, not the lies, but a bizarre thing that Justin Trudeau said, uh, right here.
00:59:16.920 Another thing also, we see Justin Trudeau always campaigning with Doug Ford.
00:59:20.920 In fact, while Doug Ford was running to be the, uh, the premier of, of Ontario, Justin Trudeau
00:59:27.260 was at multiple of his events.
00:59:28.940 We almost felt like he was campaigning with Ford, for Ford.
00:59:33.060 Um, so definitely a bizarre, bizarre thing.
00:59:36.200 And I, I really hope that, uh, Doug Ford will be summoned and will appear in front of
00:59:40.680 the committee.
00:59:41.120 But in the same time, like now that we know that the police have like most of the power
00:59:47.240 for doing what they say that they claim that they needed the emergency act for doing their
00:59:53.720 job.
00:59:54.220 Um, when we know that they were able to do it anyway, without having it.
00:59:59.180 And I don't know if you remember, but the emergency act was vote on a Monday after like the weekend
01:00:06.320 of the dismantle act passed.
01:00:08.280 And I think it stands for less than 24 hours after that they drop it afterwards.
01:00:13.860 So the question remains on, did you really need the emergency, emergencies act to be approved
01:00:22.240 to justify the action that's been made during the due day of dismantle?
01:00:28.860 Because for, for having done, like, I don't know if you recall, all strong was their position
01:00:38.920 on the need on the, that Monday of the emergency act for afterwards dropping it after less than
01:00:46.760 24 hours that the question remains why it was so important 24 hours before dropping it to
01:00:55.520 have these emergencies act being vote.
01:00:59.940 Yeah, no, for sure.
01:01:02.280 For sure.
01:01:03.100 As I said, I'm super interested to see what Doug Ford had seen, how we can justify being,
01:01:08.480 calling himself a conservative and standing with Justin Trudeau when it comes to trampling
01:01:13.760 of the civil liberties of peaceful protesters that came here to process the federal government's
01:01:18.800 COVID-19 mandates and basically the, the federal government as a whole in general.
01:01:23.880 So our time is almost up.
01:01:25.680 Do we have any paid chats that we can read on, on air?
01:01:31.220 Do we have some?
01:01:31.760 Perfect.
01:01:32.140 Let's, yeah, let's take a look at them.
01:01:35.760 I'll give you the honor of reading it, Alexa.
01:01:40.920 Gwendolyn Young, $7.
01:01:43.860 Thank you, Alexa.
01:01:45.700 Is it hard for you to be part of this after everything that you have true with the police?
01:01:54.000 I will say it's like throwing back in the days and remembering, but the convoy was an
01:02:02.060 amazing experience of knowledge and like experience of, of life.
01:02:09.120 And I will say that it's not hard for me because make everything that I pass through there make
01:02:16.220 me more strong.
01:02:17.540 And I, my knowledge about all these, uh, experience grew, grew me up.
01:02:25.200 So I think, I think for me, it's actually good that I'm here for learning and for hurting
01:02:31.440 what the people have to say about it.
01:02:33.580 And I am one of the best person to, to say when it's wrong, when what they say, it was
01:02:39.960 actually wrong of what I was able to see on the ground.
01:02:43.140 Yeah.
01:02:44.140 And you know, I haven't heard one single witness so far talk about the fact that you were shot
01:02:48.900 in the leg by an officer.
01:02:51.100 It was not a single one, but they love to talk about microaggressions.
01:02:55.060 They love to talk about phantom honkings.
01:02:57.000 They love to talk about feelings that got hurt.
01:02:59.520 Of course, we have another page chat.
01:03:05.300 Razor.
01:03:06.420 I let you say that one.
01:03:08.880 Oh, sure.
01:03:09.980 I like, Oh, all in capital.
01:03:11.500 I like millions of other Canadians can't, can't wait for the next election to get rid
01:03:15.680 of ourselves of that WF child actor, Trudeau and his liberal party.
01:03:20.620 I hope it happens.
01:03:21.700 I hope, I hope that we see some change in the government child actor.
01:03:26.180 I like this one.
01:03:26.820 I might use the next one.
01:03:27.820 It's a national drama teacher.
01:03:29.580 Yeah.
01:03:30.020 I'll see if Sheila lets me, let's me say it.
01:03:32.780 Yeah.
01:03:33.240 I like it too.
01:03:34.640 Yeah, of course.
01:03:36.240 Well, I think, I think that's pretty much, pretty much it for tonight.
01:03:38.920 Well, we're already past the time that we were supposed to, to, to be at.
01:03:42.820 Thank you for everyone that joined us tonight.
01:03:44.840 Thank you for joining me as well.
01:03:46.440 Angelica.
01:03:46.920 And thank you for Alex, stop for your hard work.
01:03:49.440 Stay watching everything that was happening.
01:03:51.680 Thank you so much, everybody.
01:03:54.800 Have a great night.
01:03:55.420 Have a great evening.
01:03:59.580 Let me just, let me just, let me just, let me just, let me just repeat my answer in English.
01:04:10.900 So, you know, I really believe that we are in a very challenging time economically in Canada and also in the world.
01:04:23.800 And all you have to do is look across the Atlantic to see how important at, in challenging moments like today,
01:04:36.460 institutional stability is for a country.
01:04:38.860 Canada is the country of peace, order, and good government.
01:04:44.260 That is very, very valuable.
01:04:47.620 And it is more valuable today than ever.
01:04:51.400 From my perspective, institutional stability very much includes the independence of the Bank of Canada.
01:05:00.840 Thank you.